Define Please: Razzaq & Ajmal "Roar", Yousuf Stare

[AsimKamalForCaptain]

Someone referenced these in another thread. Could someone please define what these phrases mean and what their relationship to the spot-fixing and factionalism scandals is? Erring on the side of a fuller description would be preferable, I really don't have any idea what these things mean.

[Sledger]

I don't know what you're talking about but the Yousuf stare was the way he looked at Butt after the runout in the Hobart test.

[Solid Snake]

Yeah I've never heard of this roar thing besides now, can anyone elaborate?

[ozzy_07]

I believe the "Razzaq roar" being referred to was after he won us the second T20 v England in the UAE earlier in the year, and the "Ajmal roar" was after he reached his 50 in the Edgbaston test.

I think the implication was that they were "roaring" towards the dressing room presumably at the players involved in fixing.

[PakFan2010]

OP is on some sort of drug

[Poison]

Razzaq Roar is the one he let out after hitting the winning six vs England in the T20 in Dubai with 46* off 18. It was bear like.

The Ajmal roar was the one after 'i make runs! i get a fifty!' :ajmal

[Solid Snake]

So what do the roars have to do with anything? Are you implying that by winning/doing well they were rebelling in some sort of way?

[the Great Khan]

i referenced these...

heres how I see it..the razzaq roar was in the second t20 against england in the uae...after he had hit the winning runs he roared with passion...at the time we assumed that it was just a player being passionate but after the revelations it seemed like this was similar to the rashid latif incident in 1996..razaaq wasnt with the program inmho..and some may have wanted to throw the match..while he didnt...

the ajmal roar was the same in that zoni partnership..his interview was even more revealing when he said "whats the problem? i played anderson ok?"..hint hint..

and fonally the moyo stare..he was left high and dry by butta in a match in austrailia and gave him a real glare that is out of character for him...then he lambasted butta in an interview after the match...inmho i think he knew butta had deliberatly ran him out...

of course these are just my opinions..

[AsimKamalForCaptain]

Someone in another thread mentioned these 3 events with reference to the ongoing scandal, I was hoping those people would elaborate what they meant.

[Sledger]

Well wasn't the Razzaq roar viewed as more of a proving DNA wrong celebration?

[srh]

i referenced these...

heres how I see it..the razzaq roar was in the second t20 against england in the uae...after he had hit the winning runs he roared with passion...at the time we assumed that it was just a player being passionate but after the revelations it seemed like this was similar to the rashid latif incident in 1996..razaaq wasnt with the program inmho..and some may have wanted to throw the match..while he didnt...

the ajmal roar was the same in that zoni partnership..his interview was even more revealing when he said "whats the problem? i played anderson ok?"..hint hint..

and fonally the moyo stare..he was left high and dry by butta in a match in austrailia and gave him a real glare that is out of character for him...then he lambasted butta in an interview after the match...inmho i think he knew butta had deliberatly ran him out...

of course these are just my opinions..

can you tell me what was the rashid latif incident in 1996?

[the Great Khan]

read my post..just me speculating but i find it interesting now..

[Shaka81]

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/112900/112983.jpg

Mohammad Yousuf can't believe how he was run out, 3rd Test, Australia v Pakistan, 2nd day, Hobart, January 15, 2010


I think this was the "Yousuf stare"

[the Great Khan]

can you tell me what was the rashid latif incident in 1996?

he won amatch against england in 1996 that was supposed to be fixed...he won it single handedly and then was taken care of by the match fixers of the time!!

[Poison]

Well wasn't the Razzaq roar viewed as more of a proving DNA wrong celebration?

Yup, was one of his first few games back after a while, wanted to prove himself :razaaq

[prune]

Here's the Razzaq roar, afaik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbxZnJA7ZA0&feature=related

Jump to about 5:45.

I remember this too, but only because it was so good to see how determined he was and this showed how he let it all out - just watch and you'll see. The body language and the roar speaks for itself, no words are needed.

Had no idea, nor am i sure that this is why now, that it may be to do with him not going along with match fixing.

It's a good thing anyway, no matter whether it was simply happiness at winning, or happiness at winning AND socking it those stinking low-life match fixers.

A lttle off-topic, but read the following btw, very interesting stuff...shocking, and i'm inclined to believe a fair bit of it: http://www.contactpakistan.com/Communitylibrary/general/news114.htm#Aamir%20Sohail%20S/o%20Shaikh%20Mohammed%20Ali

[TigerJat]

does anyone have video of the Yousuf runout?

[ThaSiccSense]

Lol before he hits that last 6 Nazir/Alam are all smiles, Umar Akmal is sat there looking pensive.

[Saudi]

I don't think any of these were reactions to match fixing but the Yousuf stare quite accurately describes the reaction of most Pakistani fans to this news. A magnificent expression of both shock and utter disgust.

[Pakprideuk]

Lol look at the t20 video and you can see umar akmal and shoaib malik don't seem very happy as fawad alam and imran nazir seem ecstatic. Tells a lot, that does.

[Safar55]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=89717

See post #8 for the stare and post #9 for gif

Also ^ his Avatar

It's far more scarier in live action... Butt is sh***88g bricks.... now we know why. Moyo knew about this

[ddss]

I remember that Yousuf stare...there isn't a video online of it but once you see it you'll never forget.

[Kray_jackson7]

Abdul razzaqs roar was like the lion he is. Another Legend just Like afridi. Two best friends side by side fighting for pakistan with all their heart. LEGENDS!!

[Safar55]

Run Out + Stare

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/fm23/AusPakTest3Day2Session3fina.gif

This

[Sledger]

Can't see the stare as having anything to do with match fixing. Both those players have historically been shocking runners and this includes Yousuf's career pre-Butt.

[Safar55]

Can't see the stare as having anything to do with match fixing. Both those players have historically been shocking runners and this includes Yousuf's career pre-Butt.

True... the only thing I can think of, as claimed by Majeed recently was that players wanted to get rid of Captain Afridi and don't mind losing.... so Butt can be in total charge.

Perhaps Butt wanted to get rid of Yousuf by deliberately have Yousuf out while he himself would make relativity good amount of runs.... making him a probable replacement if Yousuf did ever lose his captaincy.

[Dare2Dream]

Can't see the stare as having anything to do with match fixing. Both those players have historically been shocking runners and this includes Yousuf's career pre-Butt.

That runout was not bad running by Yousef, Yousef was in fact going to the danger end. Butt on the other hand just stood there, didn't look at Yousef, didn't say no, only after Yousef was more than half way through did he realize that Butt was just standing there. After what we have seen over the last 2 days, I wouldn't be surprised that Butt and the mafia had a major role in screwing up the Aus/NZ series to push Yousef out, which is exactly what happened.

[Sledger]

That runout was not bad running by Yousef, Yousef was in fact going to the danger end. Butt on the other hand just stood there, didn't look at Yousef, didn't say no, only after Yousef was more than half way through did he realize that Butt was just standing there. After what we have seen over the last 2 days, I wouldn't be surprised that Butt and the mafia had a major role in screwing up the Aus/NZ series to push Yousef out, which is exactly what happened.

Who knows? Salman Butt has always been a slow mover in the field, a terrible runner and rubbish at basic cricket in general. I don't think there is enough evidence here to go either way and, while I wouldn't be surprised if Butt had rigged it, there isn't enough to go on.

[d0gers]

can you tell me what was the rashid latif incident in 1996?It was this game: http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65022.html

Pakistan had already lost the series 2-0. They were in a pretty good position to win this final game until the collapse started and it was left to Latif to salvage a win, doing so in the last over. After he hit the winning runs, he ran off the field, fist-pumping the whole way, as if he'd won some tournament final.

He was rewarded for his efforts by immediately being dropped from the team. Pakistan's next international engagement after the England tour was the one day tournament in Kenya, the same one where Shahid Afridi made the fastest century. Moin Khan was picked as wicketkeeper there.

The fact that he was dropped and the fact that he celebrated the way he did, all point to something weird happening behind the scenes.

[the Great Khan]

im sorry but after seeing that im even more convinced...that was an easy three..butta clearly deliberatly run out moyo...that whole tour was full of stuff like this...you could see moyo becoming broken match by match by these scum!!....no wonder he retired..afridi,yk,moyo all of em just walked away!! one has to wonder why..now we know!!

[Kray_jackson7]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/fm23/AusPakTest3Day2Session3fina.gif

The fielder had time to do a step over before picking it up.

[PB]

LMAO, Omg, what a stare..

[Markhor]

Runout was...FIXED !!!

[Safar55]

better quality video

http://www.cricketaustralia.tv/articles/20100115/australia-v-pakistan-hobart-day-two-evening-session_2271488_1932926

around the 0:30 mark you can see the stare

[Mo.]

I never thought of the stare like this before. But it makes total sense when you think about it

The roar is a bit more far fetched though

[Dare2Dream]

I never thought of the stare like this before. But it makes total sense when you think about it

The roar is a bit more far fetched though

Yeah, never have we seen anything like that from Yousef over the last decade :moyo

[the Great Khan]

and look after the stare and mumbling from moyo..the way he just bent his head in total despair!! cmon thats a massive give away!! that was a clear three runs!!

[Riff]

Ok guys, even if assume that Butt deliberately got Moyo run out, how does it relate to the match being fixed?

Probably Butt just didnt like Yousuf? Maybe he thought that by screwing Moyo like this, he would be dropped or retire himself, paving the way for a new era of Pak cricket!!

Its called evolution baby :11:

[Big Mac]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/fm23/AusPakTest3Day2Session3fina.gif

One of the things I love about The Stare™ is the way Haddin and the fielders immediately run away because they can feel the fury that is about to be unleashed. You can even see Haddin, as he's running past, turn to tell Butt "Jeez mate, you'd better find somewhere to hide!" :))

But without a doubt the best part of the gif is right at the end, unfortunately it ends a bit early but you can still spot it. Yousuf looks down and the power of The Stare™ extends so far that the little Vodafone graphic on the screen gets scared and starts to disappear :)))

[the Great Khan]

Ok guys, even if assume that Butt deliberately got Moyo run out, how does it relate to the match being fixed?

Probably Butt just didnt like Yousuf? Maybe he thought that by screwing Moyo like this, he would be dropped or retire himself, paving the way for a new era of Pak cricket!!

Its called evolution baby :11:

he deliberatly ran his cuptaan out and screwed his team in teh process..it shows his character!! pathetic little goblin!

[Riff]

he deliberatly ran his cuptaan out and screwed his team in teh process..it shows his character!! pathetic little goblin!

Hey Im not supporting Butt's act, all Im saying is that who are we to judge :afridi

[bhakkar]

I said in another threaad that the 1st t20 v england in abu dhabi was fixed and so was the 2nd on, which razzaq single handedly won us.

Look at umar akmals face, one would think he'd be joyful after such a turn round. he looks like his dad just died, while fawad and nazir laugh their heads off.

[Poison]

That stare is terrifying. :moyo