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Amjid Javed
25th October 2005, 23:28
Pakistan XI
1. Inzamam-ul-Haq
2. Salman Butt
3. Shoaib Malik
4. Younis Khan
5. Mohammad Yousuf
6. Asim Kamal
7. Kamran Akmal (Wicketkeeper)
8. Abdul Razzaq
9. Mohammad Sami
10. Naved-ul-Hasan
11. Danish Kaneria
12. Iftikhar Anjum

Rest of Pakistan
1. Taufeeq Umar
2. Imran Farhat
3. Bazid Khan
4. Hasan Raza
5. Misbah-ul-Haq
6. Shahid Afridi
7. Zulqarnain Haider (Wicketkeeper)
8. Shahid Nazir
9. Umar Gul
10. Shoaib Akhtar
11. Mushtaq Ahmed
12. Faisal Iqbal

Match starts tmoz. lets hope certain players prove their fitness, some gain form and others countinue to do well!

kas
25th October 2005, 23:34
Pakistan XI
1. Inzamam-ul-Haq
2. Salman Butt
3. Shoaib Malik
4. Younis Khan
5. Mohammad Yousuf
6. Asim Kamal
7. Kamran Akmal (Wicketkeeper)
8. Abdul Razzaq
9. Mohammad Sami
10. Naved-ul-Hasan
11. Danish Kaneria
12. Iftikhar Anjum

Rest of Pakistan
1. Taufeeq Umar
2. Imran Farhat
3. Bazid Khan
4. Hasan Raza
5. Misbah-ul-Haq
6. Shahid Afridi
7. Zulqarnain Haider (Wicketkeeper)
8. Shahid Nazir
9. Umar Gul
10. Shoaib Akhtar
11. Mushtaq Ahmed
12. Faisal Iqbal

Match starts tmoz. lets hope certain players prove their fitness, some gain form and others countinue to do well!

this is a very good practise match. we will see how shaib akhtar performs against pakistan's best batting line up. and we will see hw pak batsmen perform against gul,akhtar and mushy.

nedian21
25th October 2005, 23:42
why they have put Afridi in rest of Pakistan. Also Shabbir shd be playing this match if he is cleared. Now I think PCB wont be playing Shabbir in this series. Who is the captain in rest of Pakistan.

Toony™®
25th October 2005, 23:42
hope farhat does well 2mrw! no hameed - shows how backwards he has gone.

Amjid Javed
25th October 2005, 23:43
why they have put Afridi in rest of Pakistan. Also Shabbir shd be playing this match if he is cleared. Now I think PCB wont be playing Shabbir in this series. Who is the captain in rest of Pakistan.

does it matter what team afridi is in??

It will be good for him to bowl @ inzi and co and also bat v sami/rana who he shud take apart!

Toony™®
25th October 2005, 23:44
why they have put Afridi in rest of Pakistan. Also Shabbir shd be playing this match if he is cleared. Now I think PCB wont be playing Shabbir in this series. Who is the captain in rest of Pakistan.

not really bothered where he plays...

as long as he plays in these games.

HAFRIDI
25th October 2005, 23:47
Afridi will be tested against in form rana which is good, will be an intresting match

Gasherbrum
25th October 2005, 23:55
afridi would be the second spin option for ROP whereas malik will fill that role in the first team.
the pakistan xi team does give a fair indication of who the mgmt considers our top 6 batsmen should be before going into this game. lets see if someone can throw up a huge performance here to change that.

Shayan_Sohail
26th October 2005, 00:02
Man i would love to see Akhtar bowl to Inzamam, that would be a sight.

Saj
26th October 2005, 00:06
this match will rubber stamp a few places in the starting lineup and no doubt push a few players to the back of the queue once again.

If you look through the 2 lineups, it makes you realise that we have a lot of decent players who just need to become a bit more consistent.

2 very strong teams indeed.

fair_play
26th October 2005, 00:12
this match will rubber stamp a few places in the starting lineup and no doubt push a few players to the back of the queue once again.

If you look through the 2 lineups, it makes you realise that we have a lot of decent players who just need to become a bit more consistent.

2 very strong teams indeed.

2 very strong team Saj, but difficult to get 1 strong team out of the two!

Saj
26th October 2005, 00:17
Fair Play wrote - "2 very strong teams Saj, but difficult to get 1 strong team out of the two!" haha superb quote.

Why is it that though FP ? Why do our promising youngsters become "has beens", forgotten or flatter to deceive ?

deviously~fading~away
26th October 2005, 00:26
Will any channel show these matches on tv? And does anyone which channel in Dubai? thnx

B-Man
26th October 2005, 00:29
well Pak X1 are favourites for me but i hope afridi and shoaib put up some good performances especially.

fair_play
26th October 2005, 00:40
Fair Play wrote - "2 very strong teams Saj, but difficult to get 1 strong team out of the two!" haha superb quote.

Why is it that though FP ? Why do our promising youngsters become "has beens", forgotten or flatter to deceive ?

I wish I knew the answer.

My opinion is that the PCB has a lot to blame. When your success percentage of taking a talented pool of people and making them realise their potential is low, then its not just the individuals who are to blame.

In my opinion, its almost always management. I speak as a senior manager for a very large business myself - and I know that consistency of management commitment is the one common factor behind successful enterprises.

But for every success story there are 9 other bad ones. The world is full of very poor managers, who dont understand what they are doing, who are full of themselves, and take very poor and ill conceived decisions. In other words, they destroy the businesses they run though they make a pakcet for themselves in share options and bonuses etc.

The PCB is just one of those firms. They generally wreck youngsters - and here instead of blaming all individuals I would say the blame lies with the way the PCB oeprates/has operated.

Mercenary
26th October 2005, 01:01
I wrote to Woolmer asking him if he would play Pakistans first choice bowlers versus Pakistans first choice batsmen! He said this was something they would do definitely do in the Pak vs ROP match!

Akhtar, Gul, Afridi, S Nazir and Mushtaq vs Butt, Malik, YK, MoYo and Asim seems to be a good matchup.

It seems he put Sami, Rana, Razzaq and Kaneria in the ROP side to give it a good balance.

For me this confirms that Malik will definitely open with Butt. Akhtar (fitness permitting), Gul and Afridi will be first choice bowlers along with Kaneria. Mushtaq is under serious consideration for a starting place and how he performs vs Inzi, MoYo and Yk will determine if he plays.

That leaves one bowling spot for which Sami is first choice but Mushtaq could sneak in depending on the pitch conditions.

Good to see Gul making it!

sehsan
26th October 2005, 01:05
i desperately hope butt, malik and asim make some runs

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 01:06
akthar v inzi should be good. would love to see akthar clean up inzi early on!

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 01:06
i desperately hope butt, malik and asim make some runs

i hope so to inshallah!

Monsee
26th October 2005, 01:09
Good move to pit Akhtar against Pak team...this way we have a win win scenario

By facing Akhtar, Pak batsman will be quite ready to play Flintoff and Harmison's pace, and Shoaib's fitness and form will be thoroughly tested by bowling to our first choice batters

All Pak regulars will get plenty of batting practice against a Fast bowler (Shoaib), swing and seam bowlers (Nazir and Gull) and two different kind of leggies in Mushtaq and Afridi!

kas
26th October 2005, 01:10
i hope so to inshallah!

i want hassan raza,shoaib akhtar, imran farhat and umar gul to perform.

hopefully raza makes a century cos i desperately want him to pla against england

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 01:12
Good move to pit Akhtar against Pak team...this way we have a win win scenario

By facing Akhtar, Pak batsman will be quite ready to play Flintoff and Harmison's pace, and Shoaib's fitness and form will be thoroughly tested by bowling to our first choice batters

All Pak regulars will get plenty of batting practice against a Fast bowler (Shoaib), swing and seam bowlers (Nazir and Gull) and two different kind of leggies in Mushtaq and Afridi!

on the flip side expect double tons from faisal iqbal and misbah ul haq against the world class attack of sami/razzaq :P

zorawar
26th October 2005, 01:15
Yes I agree with Merc.. the first test line appears to be:

Butt, Malik
Younus, Inzi , Yousuf
Afridi, Akmal
Gul, Shoaib, Kaneria, Sami

Poor Kamal ...looks like he will get dropped although he has performed consistently in the tests leading upto this tour.

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 01:19
Yes I agree with Merc.. the first test line appears to be:

Butt, Malik
Younus, Inzi , Yousuf
Afridi, Akmal
Gul, Shoaib, Kaneria, Sami

Poor Kamal ...looks like he will get dropped although he has performed consistently in the tests leading upto this tour.

dont worry. it just shows the continual stupid inconsistances interms of selecting players.

Y khan, S Afridi were both recalled early in BW`S tenure as coach yet niether did it with any sort of form to earn a recall. yes mashallah they have justified inclusion. Other players despite handy performances in tests will be dropped due to bad domestic/warm up form! Others will continue to be.. whats the word?

Rubbish! although messers sami/razzaq wont be complaining!

It just goes to show some players get backing some dont!

kas
26th October 2005, 01:21
Yes I agree with Merc.. the first test line appears to be:

Butt, Malik
Younus, Inzi , Yousuf
Afridi, Akmal
Gul, Shoaib, Kaneria, Sami

Poor Kamal ...looks like he will get dropped although he has performed consistently in the tests leading upto this tour.

at the moment that looks like the most probable team but it all might change over next few days. if farhat makes a century and malik or butt struggle i cant see how they can leave farhat out. its the same for the bowlers whoever performs will play.no one can take the places for granted which is great to have as b4 ppl could and relaxed

Monsee
26th October 2005, 01:22
Hurricane Bradman is in full motion...cover your ears, and run for your life

Run Desis Run :O :P

sehsan
26th October 2005, 01:24
amjid: I think here u are talking about dropping kamal. I am his big fan too but if afridi can't open then we have to drop kamal and play afridi at 6 as if we will play afridi at 7, our bowling would be weak. So we have to sacrifie someone. The best option would have been to ask afridi to open. Afridi always talks about a team man and IF HE is a team then why is not williing to open.

kas
26th October 2005, 01:27
amjid: I think here u are talking about dropping kamal. I am his big fan too but if afridi can't open then we have to drop kamal and play afridi at 6 as if we will play afridi at 7, our bowling would be weak. So we have to sacrifie someone. The best option would have been to ask afridi to open. Afridi always talks about a team man and IF HE is a team then why is not williing to open.

i agree afridi shud open but only so hassan raza can play at no.6

sehsan
26th October 2005, 01:30
kas: why do u want to pick raza ahead of asim(who have done wonderfully well at 6). Hassan have to wait for his chance

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 01:32
amjid: I think here u are talking about dropping kamal. I am his big fan too but if afridi can't open then we have to drop kamal and play afridi at 6 as if we will play afridi at 7, our bowling would be weak. So we have to sacrifie someone. The best option would have been to ask afridi to open. Afridi always talks about a team man and IF HE is a team then why is not williing to open.

I couldnt care less what n.z side BW picks for the 1st test. Selection sadly is done on merit/performance only for certain players.

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 01:33
amjid: I think here u are talking about dropping kamal. I am his big fan too but if afridi can't open then we have to drop kamal and play afridi at 6 as if we will play afridi at 7, our bowling would be weak. So we have to sacrifie someone. The best option would have been to ask afridi to open. Afridi always talks about a team man and IF HE is a team then why is not williing to open.

If afridi bats 6 then fine. Hes been playing well, he would be seen as a batting all rounder in that postion and would need to do buisness with the bat.

sehsan
26th October 2005, 01:33
amjid: sami ko refer kar rehay ho kya? and who else?

kas
26th October 2005, 01:34
kas: why do u want to pick raza ahead of asim(who have done wonderfully well at 6). Hassan have to wait for his chance

kamal has done well at no.6 there is no doubt. but in my opinion hassan raza can do abetter job than him. i think hassan raza has more ability to make big centuries in that position. also he is in form wheareas kamal is in poor form. plus i think asim kamal was getting too cocky in the latter part of his short pak career. when he started he played cautiously and built his innings. whereas the last few innings he palyed risky from the word go and was giving chances to the oppisition. especiaqlly in india against anil kumble.

sehsan
26th October 2005, 01:34
dont u think if afridi bat at 6, our batting would be weak But aisa laghta hai kay afridi is going to play at 6

sehsan
26th October 2005, 01:35
kas: But how come you can drop a player who is consistently playing well for pakistan. I thought kamal did a good job in india

kas
26th October 2005, 01:39
kas: But how come you can drop a player who is consistently playing well for pakistan. I thought kamal did a good job in india

taufeeq umar had a good international record and was picked accordingly. at the time he was in poor form and he took that form into international arena. as a result he got dropped.

asim kamla is in poor form and he might end up like taufeeq umar ie out of the picture. if kamal performs in practise match then yes i dnt mind if he plays as long as he gets his form back

but i can guarantee u one thing. if hassan raza gets a few oppurtunities say if kamal fails. i doubt it if raza doesnt perform. he will hold that no.6 for years to come.

sehsan
26th October 2005, 01:41
i will say again hassan raza have to wait. His chance would come but i think this is not the time. Pakistan should win the series, i dont care whoever plays

Anwar
26th October 2005, 01:43
can we trust on afridi opening? u could do in tha sub continent but even then its risky i like afridi dwn tha order n he adds to the bowling attack aswell

kas
26th October 2005, 01:44
i will say again hassan raza have to wait. His chance would come but i think this is not the time. Pakistan should win the series, i dont care whoever plays

if pak have a batting collapse in first test i can see hassan raza being given an oppurtunity at no.6

Monsee
26th October 2005, 01:51
I actually think its good that we have so much competition between Hasan and Kamal...sadly, both will not be in the 1st Test team though cause Afridi will be the 6th man

5 batsmen (Malik, Butt, YK, YoMO, Inzi), Afridi, Akmal, and 4 bowlers (Akhtar (if all goes as we are hoping), Gull, Danish, Rana/Sami/Mushtaq (Although I don't think Mushie has it in him any more))

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 01:54
kamal has done well at no.6 there is no doubt. but in my opinion hassan raza can do abetter job than him. i think hassan raza has more ability to make big centuries in that position. also he is in form wheareas kamal is in poor form. plus i think asim kamal was getting too cocky in the latter part of his short pak career. when he started he played cautiously and built his innings. whereas the last few innings he palyed risky from the word go and was giving chances to the oppisition. especiaqlly in india against anil kumble.

:20: cocky? I suggest you watch video tapes again of indian series. Asim seem to bat with alot of patience most of the time. so if sumone once in while plays agressive they become cocky?

i dont see or hear asim shooting his mouth of at oppostion or during games!

kas
26th October 2005, 01:54
I actually think its good that we have so much competition between Hasan and Kamal...sadly, both will not be in the 1st Test team though cause Afridi will be the 6th man

5 batsmen (Malik, Butt, YK, YoMO, Inzi), Afridi, Akmal, and 4 bowlers (Akhtar (if all goes as we are hoping), Gull, Danish, Rana/Sami/Mushtaq (Although I don't think Mushie has it in him any more))

the only way one of them can play is if afridi opens or they go wuth afridi at 7 and therefore one bowler short.

i prefer if afridi opens, cos he cant do any worse than the previous lot

sehsan
26th October 2005, 01:59
and afridi did a decent job in india. I failed to understand why he doesn't want to open

kas
26th October 2005, 02:02
and afridi did a decent job in india. I failed to understand why he doesn't want to open

cos if he gets out early then he has to sit for a day and a half and watch other ppl bat and he will regret playing a stupid shot. whereas if he bats at no.6 he can look forward to his batting and if he gets out he dont have to watch the rest of team bat 4 ages.

thats my opinion. also he prob thinks he can make more runs at 6 where the ball is old

sehsan
26th October 2005, 02:04
lets hope he makes lot of runs at 6

sehsan
26th October 2005, 02:05
wasey pathan itna sochtay nahi hain jitna tum na keha hai :)

Shayan
26th October 2005, 02:14
bloody hell, a top 6 consisting of Butt, Malik, Younis, Inzi, Yousuf and Afridi does not fill me with much confidence, because two of the players, Malik and Afridi, cannot be relied upon to get big scores. I would like to see Asim there, just to give us some more stability. If that means dropping Malik and having Afridi open, then so be it, Afridi is a better bowler then Malik.

Sheikh_Ji
26th October 2005, 02:17
I don't see how everyone is so sure that Afridi will play.....
Agreed, Afridi has done a really good job in the last few test matches he has played...but Afridi shot himself in the foot by making such a big fuss about not opening...
the chances he got in the West Indies were due to injuries/bans to Inzi, malik and YoYo. In India he was opening the innings. So unless someone gets injured, i cant see where Afridi will fit in.
90% of the people on this forum seemed convinced that Asim Kamal won't play and opinion seems to be divided between Afridi and Hasan Raza as to his likely replacement. Again I don't see any justification for this. Asim Kamal is coming off from a good International season. BW has indicated that he thinks quite highly of him. Logically, Inzi and BW would place Asim's recent international performance ahead of his domestic performance. Both coach and captain have also made it clear they will not experiment with new guys in this series. Everyone seems to assume that they're only talking about bowlers here and the likes of Mansoor Amjad won't get a chance against England. But i think this criteria also fits Hasan Raza......his domestic form may be fantastic...but he has not played any international cricket for a long long time. And throwing him in the deep end against a fit, in-form and firing on full cylinders English team could be very detrimental for his career..... So unless Asim fails miserably against the English in the first 1-2 tests...I dont see Hasan Raza playing either

kas
26th October 2005, 02:18
bloody hell, a top 6 consisting of Butt, Malik, Younis, Inzi, Yousuf and Afridi does not fill me with much confidence, because two of the players, Malik and Afridi, cannot be relied upon to get big scores. I would like to see Asim there, just to give us some more stability. If that means dropping Malik and having Afridi open, then so be it, Afridi is a better bowler then Malik.

wat u said is 100% true. afridi open so can have specialist batsmen at no. 6

Sage
26th October 2005, 02:25
and afridi did a decent job in india. I failed to understand why he doesn't want to open

because england actually have a good new ball attack

sehsan
26th October 2005, 02:27
so does it mean he is scared?

kas
26th October 2005, 02:29
so does it mean he is scared?

if thats the case then most of the players are scared. no one likes to open agst a new ball in test cricket.tendulkar opens in one day but in tests he bats lower down.

Sage
26th October 2005, 02:34
afridi is not an opener
he knows as much

remember the shower incident?

waquas_uk
26th October 2005, 02:35
im guessing noone covering this game

kas
26th October 2005, 02:40
will it be the same squads for the 20- 20 as it is 4 the 4 day game??

DM
26th October 2005, 02:43
I'd love to see Afridi, Akhtar and Sami justify their talents tomorrow.

zorawar
26th October 2005, 03:43
I just hope none of our main batsmen get hurt by Shoaib.... :)

I will be very interested in seeing the batting order for the Pak XI.

hasan316
26th October 2005, 06:41
can anyone post the score?

Lightning
26th October 2005, 06:45
Pak X1 will fall on their faces facing Shoaib. That's my prediction. ;-)

hasan316
26th October 2005, 06:51
i wish Shoaib gets inzi on golden duck and end up with 6/20 in 7 overs
SOHAIB is the man who can save us against ENG.

shagufta
26th October 2005, 07:42
hasan316 u ae a true fan of shoaib !!!! i am too. see how i am defending him other thread



i wish Shoaib gets inzi on golden duck and end up with 6/20 in 7 overs
SOHAIB is the man who can save us against ENG.

Shayan_Sohail
26th October 2005, 08:32
I wonder if Shoaib is going to test our batsmen with short pitch deliveries?

Again, Shoaib vs Inzi is the main attraction for me.

Toony™®
26th October 2005, 10:50
afridi may open, maybe not this game. but one of the matches - after all it is at home!

hasanahmad
26th October 2005, 11:00
whats the score

safehands46
26th October 2005, 11:30
Opening afridi would be the biggest blunder. Firstly because his technique makes him vulnerable to the new and short ball. Also because he is afraid of the new ball. As we saw in the windies. Afridi should be used as a handy player in the lower order. As for hasan raza and asim kamal only one will play at the expense of say abdul razzaq. Its a total negative philosphy to play with the extra batsmen. If we want to win we need bowlers who will perform.

Amir_rulez
26th October 2005, 11:35
If we want to win we need bowlers who will perform.
exactly.. but is Razzaq one of them?

Toony™®
26th October 2005, 11:53
Opening afridi would be the biggest blunder. Firstly because his technique makes him vulnerable to the new and short ball. Also because he is afraid of the new ball. As we saw in the windies. Afridi should be used as a handy player in the lower order. As for hasan raza and asim kamal only one will play at the expense of say abdul razzaq. Its a total negative philosphy to play with the extra batsmen. If we want to win we need bowlers who will perform.

but, on the subcontinent, the rule of thumb is different for him!

inzamam_1
26th October 2005, 12:38
score updates ? much appreciated

Anwar
26th October 2005, 13:33
who is actually showing this match?? score updates plz

tahaqureshi
26th October 2005, 13:44
I think its going to be one of those matches tht only get updated at the end of the day

Rudi hater
26th October 2005, 14:15
Pakistan XI
1. Inzamam-ul-Haq
2. Salman Butt
3. Shoaib Malik
4. Younis Khan
5. Mohammad Yousuf
6. Asim Kamal
7. Kamran Akmal (Wicketkeeper)
8. Abdul Razzaq
9. Mohammad Sami
10. Naved-ul-Hasan
11. Danish Kaneria
12. Iftikhar Anjum

Rest of Pakistan
1. Taufeeq Umar
2. Imran Farhat
3. Bazid Khan
4. Hasan Raza
5. Misbah-ul-Haq
6. Shahid Afridi
7. Zulqarnain Haider (Wicketkeeper)
8. Shahid Nazir
9. Umar Gul
10. Shoaib Akhtar
11. Mushtaq Ahmed
12. Faisal Iqbal

Possible duel would be between:

Inzi vs Shoaib
Salman vs Gul
MY vs Mushtaq
Asim vs Shoaib Malik
Afridi vs Razzaq
Taufeeq vs Sami
Hasan vs Danish

Rudi hater
26th October 2005, 14:27
It looks like shoaib is getting hammered...lol

pakistani pride
26th October 2005, 15:02
haha anybody got score updates ?

Wasim_17
26th October 2005, 15:09
score update?

yk
26th October 2005, 15:13
^ No one can find one!

It will probably be on pcb.com.pk at the end of the day.

desidude
26th October 2005, 15:21
I agree completely with Sheik_Ji that chances of Afridi opening in the test matches are very minimum. Also, I dont want to see Butt in the test squad at all as he is simply not ready for this format of the game. Pakistan has to rely on players who have proven them in the past rather then experimenting in this series. These two warm-up games will give an excellent opportunity for all the players who have credentials to open the game. I think from number 3 to 6 all slots are filled including Asim Kamal. It would be a huge blow to Pakistan's lower middle order if the team management tried to fit Hassan Raza or Razzak with Asim Kamal. Pakistan should play only one all-rounder and that has to be a spinner as one opener. Someone who can bowl in tandem with Danish. Malik has fancied his chances by declaring that he is fit and seems like the first two bullets will go to Malik and Bazid Khan.

Naz
26th October 2005, 16:16
It looks like shoaib is getting hammered...lol

really, do you have the score, where can we get scores from?

yk
26th October 2005, 16:18
^ he's joking, ure so gulable!!!

he said it becoz of the possible duel between Inzi & Shoaib, as posted by Rudi Hater.

Naz
26th October 2005, 16:29
well i wudlnt be suprised even if it was true. Great oppurtunity for the big man to express himself through his bat at what he thinks about shoaib as he never really could let all his anger out at him like a ponting or a graeme smith would. Im supporting inzi in this duel.

usman7
26th October 2005, 17:14
are there any score updates?

KaSaNoVa_G
26th October 2005, 18:46
should be finished todays play now.. just need to find
the scorecard now...

myasirsh
26th October 2005, 18:47
ne score updates?

yk
26th October 2005, 18:55
I think scorecard won't be published until about 5pm UK time.

Todays play mite be finished but it will take time putting a scorecard up on the website.

Raz
26th October 2005, 19:02
I would also like to know the latest score

Big Daddy
26th October 2005, 19:06
raz lagta nahen hai kal kay baad bhy insaan banay ho
miggy hunter lay kay aawe , this time il make sure the job is done gooood :)

Raz
26th October 2005, 19:10
raz lagta nahen hai kal kay baad bhy insaan banay ho
miggy hunter lay kay aawe , this time il make sure the job is done gooood :)

Woy could you possibly mean by that?

DM
26th October 2005, 19:40
I'm dying for an update! Keep this thread up :D

Big Daddy
26th October 2005, 19:48
Dm There Are Some Bits On The Time Pass , Go Check It Out

Zaman Park
26th October 2005, 20:28
Pak XI is batting first. Don't know the scores

MCMLXXXII
26th October 2005, 20:39
Is there no press allowed at the ground? How come there is nothing on any of the news sites?

Hash
26th October 2005, 21:05
the person assigned to update the website ate a kebab at the ground and is currently in the toilet

Gasherbrum
26th October 2005, 21:07
see? that is exactly why i said babu was having nightmares all month long in anticipation of this tour. the toilet rush has already started and we're still at the warm-up stage.

Toony™®
26th October 2005, 21:09
maybe he is doing tarawih!

i m gr8
26th October 2005, 21:23
ghhhh , cant wait for the score update ... looks like they have forgotten :(

Raz
26th October 2005, 21:24
Latest update:










































































Still no update on the PCB website:)))

kas
26th October 2005, 21:28
wateva turns u on raz. i think u got too much time on ur hands.:14:

Shayan
26th October 2005, 22:02
this is crazy, how can there not be an update. the days play will have finished ages ago.

Pathan007
26th October 2005, 22:08
this is crazy, how can there not be an update. the days play will have finished ages ago.it's time to begin 2nd day play:)))

GamBiTT
26th October 2005, 22:08
These are the last 10 days of Ramadhan. I am sure most of the players and staff must have not only been fasting but very keen to return to Ibadat also after the day's play; hence, we dont have an update for the match. It is really late at night in Lahore night, and I for one highly doubt we will be getting any updates today till late (when its morning time in Lahore).

* Interesting Note: If most (if not all) of the players were fasting, I am not sure how stock we should be really putting into their performance in this match. I think this match should be taken rather lightly by us fans ---

B-Man
26th October 2005, 22:10
here it is guys the precious link for the scorecard.
well played to yk but especially shoaib malik

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/misc/4/misc4533.html

Pathan007
26th October 2005, 22:10
may be players are on "ITIKAAF" to get Lailutul Qadr and hence beat Eng comprehensively 3-0 and 5-0 :D :P

Muddaser
26th October 2005, 22:12
http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/misc/4/misc4533.html

Shoaib Malik 177 not out opening the innings.

Younis Khan with another century.

Salman made just 1.

Take that Amjid Javed.

Pathan007
26th October 2005, 22:12
what only 66overs. y iz that

Nawazb
26th October 2005, 22:13
http://www.pcb.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/misc/4/misc4533.html

Pathan007
26th October 2005, 22:13
Mansoor was taken to cleaners by Malik and YK

Pathan007
26th October 2005, 22:14
Shaoib figures not bad

Muddaser
26th October 2005, 22:14
Mansoor and Gul smacked to all corners by Malik and Younis.

MCMLXXXII
26th October 2005, 22:14
here it is guys the precious link for the scorecard.
well played to yk but especially shoaib malik

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/misc/4/misc4533.html

Thanks a lot!

Yeah amazing batting. Malik to open certainly for the test now. Akhtar the pick of the bowlers. Very surprised to see no noballs or wides!

nedian21
26th October 2005, 22:14
:14: 177* now that is some performance from Malik. this will give him lots of confidence. Strange to see Shahid Nazir didnt bowl a single over. I was looking forward to his and Umer's performance. Shahid Nazir is always treated harshly by our management

Master-P
26th October 2005, 22:14
Mansoor Amjad and Umar Gul are getting a pasting.

Nawazb
26th October 2005, 22:15
no shahid afridi?

myasirsh
26th October 2005, 22:15
Pakistan XI v Rest of PakistanPakistan XI (1) 352/2 (Shoaib Malik 177*, Mohammad Yousuf 42*; 66.2 overs)

Pakistan XI first inningsShoaib Malik (http://www.pcb.com.pk/Pakistan/Players/8/8219/8219.html) not out177
Salman Butt (http://www.pcb.com.pk/Pakistan/Players/11/11487/11487.html)lbw b Shoaib Akhtar 1
--Younis Khan (http://www.pcb.com.pk/Pakistan/Players/10/10314/10314.html)c Taufeeq Umar b Mansoor Amjad107
Mohammad Yousuf (http://www.pcb.com.pk/Pakistan/Players/6/6438/6438.html)not out 42

1-6, 2-271

Rest of Pakistan bowling

Shoaib Akhtar 15 2 50 1--Umar Gul 8 0 60 0--Mushtaq Ahmed 19 1 89 0--Iftikhar Anjum 6 1 26 0--Mansoor Amjad 17 1 114 1--Imran Farhat 1.2 0 6 0--

Monsee
26th October 2005, 22:16
Bits-n-pieces player HaHaHa :))) :)))

Shoaib did destroy them all... :21:

Nawazb
26th October 2005, 22:16
good to see akhtar bowl 15 overs in a day shows some fitness is coming back

Muddaser
26th October 2005, 22:18
Bits-n-pieces player HaHaHa :))) :)))

Shoaib did destroy them all... :21:

SHoaib Malik is now a definite as opener in tests.

Bazid and Salman will fight for the other spot.

Our Test team is now looking very similar to the ODI team.

Pathan007
26th October 2005, 22:18
Bits-n-pieces player HaHaHa :))) :)))

Shoaib did destroy them all... :21:Gas prices are taking it's toll. that's y Ferrari seems to be out of gas a bit;-)

deviously~fading~away
26th October 2005, 22:18
Why was the king of Sixes not playing? If he was playing he would have probably taken 5 wicket haul;-)

HAFRIDI
26th October 2005, 22:18
what a start!!!! malik on fireeeee!

Raz
26th October 2005, 22:19
Well played by Malik! What an innings!

Master-P
26th October 2005, 22:19
The english must be licking their lips already watching some of our bowlers, Welldone all the pakistan batting team though besides Butt.

Raz
26th October 2005, 22:21
Salman ko kya ho giya?

Monsee
26th October 2005, 22:21
Why do I have a feeling that Amjid will be sitting in Aitkaaf, starting right from now till Ramadaan is over :D :P

Big Daddy
26th October 2005, 22:21
y isnt afridi playing ?

Pathan007
26th October 2005, 22:22
Salman ko kya ho giya?roza hai yaar. samjha kero;-) :D

Raz
26th October 2005, 22:22
It looks like a good battting pitch.

With regards to Shoaib A , at least he didnt break down. He bowled 15 overs which is encouraging.

Pathan007
26th October 2005, 22:22
Why do I have a feeling that Amjid will be sitting in Aitkaaf, starting right from now till Ramadaan is over :D :Ppraying for malik or sami?:))) :)))

Monsee
26th October 2005, 22:23
Gas prices are taking it's toll. that's y Ferrari seems to be out of gas a bit;-)



Maybe its due to the fact that he has to Appeal in Multi-Dialects :)))

deviously~fading~away
26th October 2005, 22:23
A very postive day today. Malik scoring 150+ Not out, Younis scoring 100, MoYo scoring 50 Not out, Akhtar played well (15 overs and not injured) & probably bowled with a short run up. A good day.

MCMLXXXII
26th October 2005, 22:23
The english must be licking their lips already watching some of our bowlers, Welldone all the pakistan batting team though besides Butt.

I suppose you mean, well done to Malik, YK and MoYo. The rest don't deserve praises just yet.

Monsee
26th October 2005, 22:24
praying for malik or sami?:))) :)))


and Razzaq too :D

Shayan
26th October 2005, 22:25
thats unbelievable. i guess we know who's opening against England then.

Master-P
26th October 2005, 22:26
Another positive is that Malik, MoYo and Khan have been scoring at a fast rate too, its very encouraging so far from a batting perspective.

whyhkk
26th October 2005, 22:27
Akhtar did not bowl that badly better than GUl at least

ZM
26th October 2005, 22:28
akhtar will clean up tmoz, unhappy to see butt fail:(

Shayan
26th October 2005, 22:28
I see Mushy didnt do much.....

zorawar
26th October 2005, 22:28
These are the last 10 days of Ramadhan. I am sure most of the players and staff must have not only been fasting but very keen to return to Ibadat also after the day's play; hence, we dont have an update for the match. It is really late at night in Lahore night, and I for one highly doubt we will be getting any updates today till late (when its morning time in Lahore).

* Interesting Note: If most (if not all) of the players were fasting, I am not sure how stock we should be really putting into their performance in this match. I think this match should be taken rather lightly by us fans ---



Almost none of the players ever fast when playing. At least not in important games. I think the management has made it pretty clear that performance in these games is being considered pretty seriously for selection.

Monsee
26th October 2005, 22:34
Maulana Bits-n-pieces is not in yet??? :D :13:

pak_all_the_way
26th October 2005, 22:34
well done malik!

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 22:35
Well done malik and Y khan. good to see akthar get thru 15 over aswell.

shocked to see s nazir didnt bowl at all. dissapointed to see mushy didnt take any wickets.

zorawar
26th October 2005, 22:42
Akhter was the most economical of the bowlers. Rest of them got hammered pretty badly specially Umer Gul was the biggest disappointment for me.

Waseem
26th October 2005, 22:43
Uffff.......Shahid Nazir is 12th man yaar. How can he bowl???

Monsee
26th October 2005, 22:43
Well done malik and Y khan. good to see akthar get thru 15 over aswell.

shocked to see s nazir didnt bowl at all. dissapointed to see mushy didnt take any wickets.



I see your favorite bowler didn't scare Mr. Bits-n-pieces or the Lassi Maker :D

Monsee
26th October 2005, 22:45
Akhter was the most economical of the bowlers. Rest of them got hammered pretty badly specially Umer Gul was the biggest disappointment for me.



But if he cannot faze Mr Bits-n-pieces or the Lassi Maker...how will he take wickets against England

Would like to hear your argument without getting upset at me :21:

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 22:47
wow, monsee u seem to get easily excited over warm up matches!

yk
26th October 2005, 22:47
gwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaannnn MALIK!!!!!!

Worrying to see Salu struggle, but then again he was undone by a WORLD CLASS BOWLER (Shoaib).

Shoaib bowled well, nice to see him get some decent overs under his belt, econ 3.33 which is not bad, plus a wicket.

Monsee
26th October 2005, 22:50
wow, monsee u seem to get easily excited over warm up matches!



Just like some here are going over the moon with Shoaib's 15 over gigantic show of fast bowling, in the same practice match :21:

If he cannot even get Mr. Bits-n-pieces out, how will he get us that victory that is impossible without him, as you and many have been talking about all the time

World Class Fast Bowler...yep yep

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 22:50
I see your favorite bowler didn't scare Mr. Bits-n-pieces or the Lassi Maker :D

I cant comment on akthars preformance as no indication has been made on how he bowled etc.. his figures thou aint that bad!

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 22:51
Just like some here are going over the moon with Shoaib's 15 over gigantic show of fast bowling, in the same practice match :21:

If he cannot even get Mr. Bits-n-pieces out, how will he get us that victory that is impossible without him, as you and many have been talking about all the time

World Class Fast Bowler...yep yep

overboard? whose gone over board???

only person whose over-reacted is you. :19:

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
26th October 2005, 22:52
177 N.O.

hahaha... I'm just loving it... Malik, my Sialkoti munda, can do all of jack siht in the actual series. I don't give a damn.

warmup or not - I believe a certain armchair critic here has been royally whipped.

Big Daddy
26th October 2005, 22:53
overboard? whose gone over board???

only person whose over-reacted is you. :19:

and the aj smileys are back

umarbeast
26th October 2005, 22:53
good bowling by Shoaib and great batting by malik and younis khan. Shoaib still has to stay injury free and take some more wickets to prove to the selectors of his selection.

Monsee
26th October 2005, 22:54
I cant comment on akthars preformance as no indication has been made on how he bowled etc.. his figures thou aint that bad!



Not bad...he cannot even get Malik out

We are talking about Mr. Darpoke, Mr. Bits-n-pieces, Mr. No Technique, Mr. ******** etc here

I am sure all Shoaib had to do was bounce couple of balls and Malik should have just handed his wicket right there and then...maybe we should have a ball to ball analysis till the match is over so you can give us your indepth expertise as how Malik was so lucky in scoring those runs

Maybe he paid those umpires in Biryani money :24:

zaf1986
26th October 2005, 22:54
Maulana Bits-n-pieces is not in yet??? :D :13:
LOL

INshallah Malik will get 200 :D

Waseem
26th October 2005, 22:55
I am really disappointed by Gul and Salman Butt :(

Well done Malik:14: :14: . At least he will go in the first test with confidence and he knows that he has earned the opening spot (not really gifted on the basis of ODI performance).
Our useless Khan again showed his consistency and good to see Yohanna score some runs as well.

Akhtar had a pretty decent day.
Becharay Mansoor Amjad ne kya Qusoor kiya tha:O ?? Buhat maara bachay ko:24: .
Mushtaq can forget about playing for Pakistan now.

Rao ahead of Shahid Nazir........Nazir is probably one of the most unluckiest pakistani cricketer i have ever seen.

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
26th October 2005, 22:55
Maulana Bits-n-pieces is not in yet??? :D :13:

I think he will be praying extra long and hard today... :D

go Malik ma boy. whip 'em... whip 'em good.

Monsee
26th October 2005, 22:56
177 N.O.

hahaha... I'm just loving it... Malik, my Sialkoti munda, can do all of jack siht in the actual series. I don't give a damn.

warmup or not - I believe a certain armchair critic here has been royally whipped.



Tarar Sahib has hit the nail right on the head...

May long live these ACCs, so Malik, and Co. can provide us with more entertainment :21:

Amoeba
26th October 2005, 22:57
Where is Afridi? I would imagine the Pakistan XI side with Afridi coming in for Kamal is the selectors current starting XI for the first Test. Hate to break to you guys but the fact that Shoaib is in the Rest of Pakistan team speaks volumes about his current chances of playing. He is outside the first XI and has to force himself in. Taking 1 wicket so far is not going to do that. In Rugby this would be termed a Probables v Possibles game and Shoaib is in the possibles not probables so there's no point talking fitness or his figures not looking too bad. He has to force himself back into contention. Nothing so far suggests that he will but as they say tomorrow is another day.

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
26th October 2005, 22:57
Not bad...he cannot even get Malik out

We are talking about Mr. Darpoke, Mr. Bits-n-pieces, Mr. No Technique, Mr. ******** etc here

I am sure all Shoaib had to do was bounce couple of balls and Malik should have just handed his wicket right there and then...maybe we should have a ball to ball analysis till the match is over so you can give us your indepth expertise as how Malik was so lucky in scoring those runs

Maybe he paid those umpires in Biryani money :24:

Maybe it's all Woolmer's fault that Akhtar didn't bowl well. had Woolmer not been hell bent on destroying Akhtar's career by preventing him from achieving proper fitness, he would have bowled well and would obviously have nailed Malik.

so, see it is Woolmer's fault after all.

adi 101
26th October 2005, 22:58
go malik!!!!!!!!!! i am surprised that afridi is not playing though

Prince
26th October 2005, 22:59
Gul's figures are worrying

shikari
26th October 2005, 23:00
Does anyone know where Afridi is ?

Mushy seems to be a bad choice. He was picked last time against SA based on his performace with Sussex and he was miserable in the test he was given the chance.

I think if these are the quality of pitches we are going to see against England then we may be in huge trouble. I see a run feast from all the English batsman including Bell

Monsee
26th October 2005, 23:02
Maybe it's all Woolmer's fault that Akhtar didn't bowl well. had Woolmer not been hell bent on destroying Akhtar's career by preventing him from achieving proper fitness, he would have bowled well and would obviously have nailed Malik.

so, see it is Woolmer's fault after all.



You forgot to name Inzi, Mr. Bush, the CIA, the Pol Pot, Naan Waala, Doodhi, the MQM, Tom cruize, Angelina Jolie, Barney, Louis Farahkhan, Global Warming, Aliens, High Gas Prices, the War...I guess the whole universe is in it :D

GamBiTT
26th October 2005, 23:03
I think the reactions here are a bit over-board.
I am a huge Malik fan myself for the heart he shows and am very happy that he got some runs under his belt. He probably is an avid PakPassion reader and had to do this to settle some scores with our wonderful critics here :).

HOWEVER, looking at the score and the run-rate at which they scored, I am quite confident that the pitch was a batsman's paradise. This will probably be confirmed when the other side bowls tomorrow some time IF ONLY Kaneria is the successful bowler and Sami, Razzaq, and Rana get hammered similarly as Akhtar, Gul, and Rao.

I think we should be happy that Malik, Younis, and Youuf got some batting practise which should certainly help their confidence for the main events.

kas
26th October 2005, 23:03
the main thing i take from this game is that the top order seems to be in good form mashallah. malik yk and moyo seem to be batting well. hopefully inzi and the other opener ie farhat will also make runs. its all about confidence and form and if all the top 6 make runs in practise match then we got a chance to beat england.

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
26th October 2005, 23:04
You forgot to name Inzi, Mr. Bush, the CIA, the Pol Pot, Naan Waala, Doodhi, the MQM, Tom cruize, Angelina Jolie, Barney, Louis Farahkhan, Global Warming, Aliens, High Gas Prices, the War...I guess the whole universe is in it :D

lol the list goes on, yaara.

the main thing is that the reason for Malik scoring a monumental 177 NO (warmup or not) cannot be Malik's talents or abilities himself. it must be Malik's parchee with Woolmer. I hate this ******** culture we have in the team. if we picked teams on merit, Asim Kamal's would be the first name on the paper.

isn't that right, Monsee? :D

Toony™®
26th October 2005, 23:05
at least we are showing batting form!

Afridi must be still injured.

he split his webbing on his hand in the last odi.

i thought Butt would be out early- he has been poor form since turn of the yr!

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
26th October 2005, 23:07
I think the reactions here are a bit over-board.


perhaps the reactions are a little overboard because of the incessant, undeserved and illogical criticism that always hounds some players of the team like Malik regardless of how they actually perform on the field?

GamBiTT
26th October 2005, 23:08
Does anyone know where Afridi is ?

Mushy seems to be a bad choice. He was picked last time against SA based on his performace with Sussex and he was miserable in the test he was given the chance.

I think if these are the quality of pitches we are going to see against England then we may be in huge trouble. I see a run feast from all the English batsman including Bell

Agreed! I hope the pitches are going to be different from this.

I am quite concerned about Afridi and Shabbir both. I think both should have played in this match. There really was no point playing Rao and Nazir in this match in place when Afridi/Shabbir had to sit out the match.

kas
26th October 2005, 23:08
i thought Butt woud be out early- he has been poor form since turn of the yr![/QUOTE]

yeh its easy to say it after he is out.:14:

yk
26th October 2005, 23:08
Hate to break to you guys but the fact that Shoaib is in the Rest of Pakistan team speaks volumes about his current chances of playing. He is outside the first XI and has to force himself in.

That is ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT, if u had kept ureself more up to date, u wud know that Shoaib is in the rest of pakistan team quite DELIBERATELY, so that our first choice batsmen can be exposed to some hostile bowling.

In other words to give them a flavour of what it will be like to face Harmy and Freddie.

As well as that, it will expose our first choice bowlers aginst world class batsmen, like Moyo, YK and Inzi.

Merc has probably mentioned this on PP about a hundered times, as it was Merc himself who suggested it to Bobby.

Monsee
26th October 2005, 23:09
Monsee, you label others ACC. yet what are you doing with akthar?

:))) shows what a hypocryte you are.

This is a discussion board maybe you dont have the basic knowledge to understand everyone has an opinion it may however not agree with yours.

you lay into others for criticising. yet you do the same youself.

Posters like farhad etc have pointed this out b4.



Amjid Pondering his line of action (After seeing today's scorecard) :13:

Lets see: I am proven wrong, the whole of PP is about to rip me in to pieces, yet I don't wanna accept that I was wrong, Malik still is a darpoke player, I have no ground to stand on, the player that I have stated is a must for our team has proved to be nothing but a 'Off Ground Bully' in front of players that I have ridiculled 1000's of times,....

What can I do...oh yeah lets attack anyone who argues with me

No need to accept my mistakes, just get on the other person's case...bring something from the past and lets just change the whole topic

And post that smiley :19:

Mission accomplished

KaSaNoVa_G
26th October 2005, 23:11
malik played a great innings.. lookz like he will now open in the 1st test...
good to see younis khan make a 100 too.. i hope butt makes some runz
2nd innings..

Monsee
26th October 2005, 23:12
lol the list goes on, yaara.

the main thing is that the reason for Malik scoring a monumental 177 NO (warmup or not) cannot be Malik's talents or abilities himself. it must be Malik's parchee with Woolmer. I hate this ******** culture we have in the team. if we picked teams on merit, Asim Kamal's would be the first name on the paper.

isn't that right, Monsee? :D



I totally agree but who is gonna make a certain poster agree with it ;-) :P

Toony™®
26th October 2005, 23:14
malik played a great innings.. lookz like he will now open in the 1st test...
good to see younis khan make a 100 too.. i hope butt makes some runz
2nd innings..

if there is a second innings!.. at this rate pakistan will still be batting for a while!

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 23:15
Monsee, u seem to thing ur some sort of preacher aka mr know it all.

yet ur the biggest hypocryte here.

Dont point fingers at others when u criticise urself.

People living in glass houses should throw stones.

Toony™®
26th October 2005, 23:15
i thought Butt woud be out early- he has been poor form since turn of the yr!

yeh its easy to say it after he is out.:14:[/QUOTE]

well not gonna jinx him b4, am i ?!

Naz
26th October 2005, 23:15
great to see shoaib destroy shoaib!!!

Monsee
26th October 2005, 23:16
perhaps the reactions are a little overboard because of the incessant, undeserved and illogical criticism that always hounds some players of the team like Malik regardless of how they actually perform on the field?



Right on again...Amjid, Elan, and many here all they do is day in and day out slack on Malik, Sami, Razzaq etc.

They are not willing to listen to any arguments...all they wanna do is pull these player's past record and how they are not good enough

I guess there is always a time when one has to eat his words...yet Amjid is not even willing to do that! According to him "it was a meaningless practice game", then Shoaib should kiss his chances good bye cause whatever he does in this game, he ain't gonna get no reward cause it is just a meaningless game after all :21:

Monsee
26th October 2005, 23:19
Monsee, u seem to thing ur some sort of preacher aka mr know it all.

yet ur the biggest hypocryte here.

Dont point fingers at others when u criticise urself.

People living in glass houses should throw stones.


Darpoke, ********, pirchi waala, no technique, no heart, cannot play the moving ball if his life depended on it...according to your expertise shouldn't Shoaib have gotten Malik out in the 2nd or 3rd ball


What happened...I guess we can blame them Indian board for a conspiracy here, right

Mercenary
26th October 2005, 23:19
If Malik can stand up to Akhtar and Gul with a new ball then it bodes well for the England series. The pitch must have been awful flat tho because there are some big scores there!

kas
26th October 2005, 23:19
yeh its easy to say it after he is out.:14:

well not gonna jinx him b4, am i ?![/QUOTE]

yeh ok i believe u millions wouldnt. normally ppl get jinxed by saying he would make runs not the other way round. ever heard of Nazar?

Sheikh_Ji
26th October 2005, 23:19
Go Malik...!

faz
26th October 2005, 23:21
17 no-balls bowled ,Judging by his figures i think Umar Gul bowled most of them.

kas
26th October 2005, 23:21
If Malik can stand up to Akhtar and Gul with a new ball then it bodes well for the England series. The pitch must have been awful flat tho because there are some big scores there!

so merceneray ur saying an unfit shoaib akhtar and injury prone umar gul are better bowlers than harmison and flintoff??

england bowlers are much more agressive and there will be more pressure

MIG
26th October 2005, 23:24
If Malik can stand up to Akhtar and Gul with a new ball then it bodes well for the England series. The pitch must have been awful flat tho because there are some big scores there!

Well, as I had said before that in these types of matches, someone will comeout smelling of roses while others will come out resembling rotten fruits. Normally, thats OK as someone has to win but since both sides are Pakistani (and members of the senior squad) - I realy dont know what this will do for the confidence of people like Akhtar and Gul - I suppose the only plus point for Akhtar is the fact that he bowled a longish spell ( 16 overs according to Saj )

As for Malik - well make what you like of his performance. Was he really good or were people like Akhtar and Gul not up to the mark today ?

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 23:24
Darpoke, ********, pirchi waala, no technique, no heart, cannot play the moving ball if his life depended on it...according to your expertise shouldn't Shoaib have gotten Malik out in the 2nd or 3rd ball


What happened...I guess we can blame them Indian board for a conspiracy here, right

did i say i was an expert? NO. i expressed my opinion. like you do yours.

oh wait! we have to lick players feet and praise them like gods! say no wrong about them! like indians do we?

u seem to have some problems grasping the basic concepts of english or the basic concept of a cricket board. i suggest u go seek some help and learn some basic comprehension skills. maybe then you might talk some sense then.

MIG
26th October 2005, 23:26
Challo bacho - larro naheen !!! abhi to series shroo hee naheen hoyee kay pehlay hee lar paray tum log !

i m gr8
26th October 2005, 23:26
Monsee , Seriously i have started to get tired of opening every single thead and finding childish remark about S.Akhtar in all of them whether the thread is related to S.Akhtar or not.
I didnt want to post this but Its getting very irritating !

inzibhai
26th October 2005, 23:27
how about salman butt?what did he do ?and good to shobby not doing so bad..i hope he makes agianst eng and ge the ***** out of them

Mercenary
26th October 2005, 23:28
so merceneray ur saying an unfit shoaib akhtar and injury prone umar gul are better bowlers than harmison and flintoff??

england bowlers are much more agressive and there will be more pressure

i said 'it bodes well' which means that its a good sign, i never said it meant he could do the same to harmison and flintoff.

To me this shows that Malik can see off the new ball and score rapidly at the same time. Akhtar presents the challenge of searing pace and Gul of bounce with Line & Length. Two quite varied styles.

Also if you have been following the practice matches and A team matches you should know that Gul is going through a good run of form at the moment, as for Akhtar he is always outstanding for the first 5 overs and if Malik withstood that onslaught then with the right application he can do the same versus any other bowler.

Zaman Park
26th October 2005, 23:29
Why were only 66.2 overs bowled in the whole day?

zorawar
26th October 2005, 23:31
Where is Afridi? I would imagine the Pakistan XI side with Afridi coming in for Kamal is the selectors current starting XI for the first Test. Hate to break to you guys but the fact that Shoaib is in the Rest of Pakistan team speaks volumes about his current chances of playing. He is outside the first XI and has to force himself in. Taking 1 wicket so far is not going to do that. In Rugby this would be termed a Probables v Possibles game and Shoaib is in the possibles not probables so there's no point talking fitness or his figures not looking too bad. He has to force himself back into contention. Nothing so far suggests that he will but as they say tomorrow is another day.



Amoeba, you are dead wrong!

Woolmer said in advance that he will try to have the best Pak bowlers bowling to the best Pak batsmen in the practice games. The fact that Shoaib, Gul and Afridi were in the ROP side indicates that they had a better chance of playing than Sami or Razzaq going into this game.

With Shabbir not even included in the practice game and Gul not helping his cause today, it was definitely a positive day for Shoaib.

Malik's innings and Shoaib's decent figures are the best news today Pakistan as far as I am concerned.


However I think it is premature to think that any player whose place was uncertain has sealed their slot yet.

Younus, Inzi, Yousuf, Akmal, were automatic and Malik, Kaneria & Afridi were sure to play at Multan with its turning pitch.

The rest of the 4 slots are still up in the air and there is a long way to go (2 games) before Eid when the team for 1st test may be announced. Now that is a long time in Pakistan Cricket :P

Amjid Javed
26th October 2005, 23:33
Challo bacho - larro naheen !!! abhi to series shroo hee naheen hoyee kay pehlay hee lar paray tum log !

I dont mind been proved wrong by players as it benefits pakistan if they do well.

However some people on here seem to thing this is a zombie board where you have 2 fall in line and cant express youre opinion.

Then there are people who label others as ACC`s. whos player international cricket on this board apart from noddy bhai?

No-one to my knowledge. Most people on this board have atleast once said sumat negative about a player wether it be pakistani or indian or english etc...

That is criticising isnt it? (to me its a person expressing their opinion)

sadly hypocrytes like monsee struggle to understand that very basic concept.

cricketOWU
26th October 2005, 23:45
Chill out guys. Instead of destructive criticisms let have construction criticism :)

nafajafam
26th October 2005, 23:53
Why isn't Afridi playing? Any idea guys?

Monsee
27th October 2005, 00:00
did i say i was an expert? NO. i expressed my opinion. like you do yours.

oh wait! we have to lick players feet and praise them like gods! say no wrong about them! like indians do we?

u seem to have some problems grasping the basic concepts of english or the basic concept of a cricket board. i suggest u go seek some help and learn some basic comprehension skills. maybe then you might talk some sense then.



Why is it that when we try to tell you Amjid take it lightly...you wanna jump over the roofs calling the coach, skipper and PCB corrupt, having no balls, sifarish loving, money hungry...so on and so forth!

I guess it is quite difficult to be on the rceiving end...we have to hear your bakwaas day in and day out...actually 24 hours in and 24 hours out cause you never seem to sleep, start threads 20 days before a game starts,...

Talking about comprehension skills...it is quite hard to read your posts with "There instead of their, Are instead of Our..." and comprehend the meaning at the same time

May I suggest basic ABCD classes for you

desidude
27th October 2005, 00:01
I think at the end of the day, Shoaib's figure dont look bad at all especially when you look at other bowlers. Malik had to prove something and he did in a style. I am saying again and again, Butt has nothing to do in this test team he is simply not upto the mark. If Malik can play as he is playing in this match, I think Pakistan is very lucky to find a real good opener. The problem is that we have seen similar one day wonders by many other players in the past as well including Butt. What we need is a consistent performer who can delvier again and again without failing too many times. As far as bowlers are concern, Shoaib clearly was pick of the bowler. Look at Mushis and Umer Gul's figures, seems like Malik was in no mood to forgive anyone.

Monsee
27th October 2005, 00:03
Monsee , Seriously i have started to get tired of opening every single thead and finding childish remark about S.Akhtar in all of them whether the thread is related to S.Akhtar or not.
I didnt want to post this but Its getting very irritating !



So everyone is allowed to call Malik, Razzaq, Sami, Inzi, Bob, PCB management...all the names they want. You have no issues with that, right!

It's just that a certain wannabee starts getting it cause of his 5 year old like attitude...you all of a sudden wanna jump out of your pants

Here is a quarter, go call someonme who cares :21:

deviously~fading~away
27th October 2005, 00:04
Just like some here are going over the moon with Shoaib's 15 over gigantic show of fast bowling, in the same practice match :21:

If he cannot even get Mr. Bits-n-pieces out, how will he get us that victory that is impossible without him, as you and many have been talking about all the time

World Class Fast Bowler...yep yep

I hope BOTH Malik & Akhtar perform well b/c at the end of the day its PAKISTAN vs England:9:

Amjid Javed
27th October 2005, 00:05
Why is it that when we try to tell you Amjid take it lightly...you wanna jump over the roofs calling the coach, skipper and PCB corrupt, having no balls, sifarish loving, money hungry...so on and so forth!

I guess it is quite difficult to be on the rceiving end...we have to hear your bakwaas day in and day out...actually 24 hours in and 24 hours out cause you never seem to sleep, start threads 20 days before a game starts,...

Talking about comprehension skills...it is quite hard to read your posts with "There instead of their, Are instead of Our..." and comprehend the meaning at the same time

May I suggest basic ABCD classes for you

No-one Asks you to read my posts.

talking about bakwas once agen i suggest u look at ur own posts b4 pointing finger at anyone else.

oh but wait typical monsee. Always has to preach as he is the the 2high and mighty" and what he says goes.

all hail king monsee. king of hypocrytes.

Monsee
27th October 2005, 00:06
That is criticising isnt it? (to me its a person expressing their opinion)

sadly hypocrytes like monsee struggle to understand that very basic concept.




Yep, I am a hypocrite...yet you are perfectly fine!

You, even to this day, have not given Younis Khan the credit that he deserved...neither have you taken back those names that you used to call him with and still refuse to issue an appology

I guess it took a useless, ********, darpoke player to show you the mirror

Wait till the same happens with a few others that you call names day in and day out

Monsee
27th October 2005, 00:09
I hope BOTH Malik & Akhtar perform well b/c at the end of the day its PAKISTAN vs England:9:



I have no issues with that at all...I say lets hope Akhtar takes 10 wickets in the first test

Many here are fine as long as Akhtar plays...even at the expense of Team Pakistan...so they can tell us how he is the only World cLass bowler in our team :21:

Mercenary
27th October 2005, 00:10
yep this from the person who calls akthar ferrari or jet man!

:))) keep it up hypocryte!

To be fair Akhtar calls himself a ferrari and a jet plane too.

Has Malik ever called himself a darpoke? Etc?

Monsee
27th October 2005, 00:11
yep this from the person who calls akthar ferrari or jet man!

:))) keep it up hypocryte!



Like I posted before:



Amjid Pondering his line of action (After seeing today's scorecard)

Lets see: I am proven wrong, the whole of PP is about to rip me in to pieces, yet I don't wanna accept that I was wrong, Malik still is a darpoke player, I have no ground to stand on, the player that I have stated is a must for our team has proved to be nothing but a 'Off Ground Bully' in front of players that I have ridiculled 1000's of times,....

What can I do...oh yeah lets attack anyone who argues with me

No need to accept my mistakes, just get on the other person's case...bring something from the past and lets just change the whole topic

And post that smiley :19:

Mission accomplished

Monsee
27th October 2005, 00:12
To be fair Akhtar calls himself a ferrari and a jet plane too.

Has Malik ever called himself a darpoke? Etc?


Oh no don't say that...now you will be called a hypocrite too cause you have challenged the Only Cricket Expert here :21:

Amjid Javed
27th October 2005, 00:13
Monsee u call junaid zia, khalil, hafeez, akthar names.

like i said dont tell others what to do when u cant do it urself.

hypocryte!

in_cutter
27th October 2005, 00:14
Just like some here are going over the moon with Shoaib's 15 over gigantic show of fast bowling, in the same practice match :21:

If he cannot even get Mr. Bits-n-pieces out, how will he get us that victory that is impossible without him, as you and many have been talking about all the time

World Class Fast Bowler...yep yep

well other bowlers to get bit n pieces out aswell...umar gul 0-60 off 8 overs :)))

Monsee
27th October 2005, 00:16
Monsee u call junaid zia, khalil, hafeez, akthar names.

like i said dont tell others what to do when u cant do it urself.

hypocryte!



Yep divert the real issue...yep lets attack on a personal level and put everyone's attention to other issues

At the end of the day: Malik AKA the darpoke player, the pirchi man, the ********, Mr. Bits-n-pieces...has put in to perspective your cricketing expertise and intellect right where it belongs...Trash Bin

Good Luck with other ******** players now

deviously~fading~away
27th October 2005, 00:17
Indus Sports said that PCB chairman was very frustrated when he found out that the pitch was a slow wicket. Skindar Bakht said this is quite suprising since PCB's main headquater is in the same city and no one cared enough to tell the grounds man what type of a pitch he should make.

sehsan
27th October 2005, 00:18
everybody should be happy that malik have scored and we shoudl keep a hope that he will score against england too.

Monsee
27th October 2005, 00:21
did i at any point say am a cricket expert? NO.

once agen youre making up fabricated bakwas to suit urself. i guess waheed khan is ur idol.



If you pull any thread about Team selection, where ever you have participated (I guess that will be almost all the threads), it is filled with pages upon pages of criticism of Malik as an opener by you...I guess now he has stood up to our only match winner, our only world class bowler, our only super fast bowler

Just accept you were wrong and will try to keep in to perspective all other player's performences and not attack them just cause they are not your favorites!

I guess that will be an impossible task, judging by your inability to accept your mistakes on the Lassi Maker issue

Master-P
27th October 2005, 00:24
You people are goin on like Pakistan are going to war again with India, calm down they all pakistani at the end of they sadly one set of players are gnr look great and the other wont look so good.

We should be supporting them all as only our cricket team can benefit not turn on certain players becuase you got a grudge against them.

Amjid Javed
27th October 2005, 00:24
Yep divert the real issue...yep lets attack on a personal level and put everyone's attention to other issues

At the end of the day: Malik AKA the darpoke player, the pirchi man, the ********, Mr. Bits-n-pieces...has put in to perspective your cricketing expertise and intellect right where it belongs...Trash Bin

Good Luck with other ******** players now

yeah it defo has proved a point hasnt it? was this a test match...?

has it proved he can open in test cricket?

Saj
27th October 2005, 00:24
Monsee and AJ. Cool it gents. No need to call each other names - thanks.

pakistani pride
27th October 2005, 00:29
WOW ! superb batting by malik and younis with moyo chipping in but this track must be a real flat one !

hope they do not prepair same wickets versus ENG ! ! !

Mercenary
27th October 2005, 00:33
As much as I have been an advocate of Malik being tried as an opener, lets not get too far ahead of ourselves here. This is only one practise match where all player who got in went on to score big!

Lets see how he does in the 2nd inns (if there is one) and in the other practise matches as well.

Usman
27th October 2005, 00:34
What is the point of arguing in such a babyish manner against each other? AJ for once agree that Malik played well and admit that at least some of your accusations regarding his technique were proved wrong today rather than jumping at others for no reason and lets all acknowledge the fact that compared to other bowlers Shoaib did well and lets stop these anti-malik and anti-akthar posts! Agreed that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but there is a border line between a good comment and a babyish remark.

in_cutter
27th October 2005, 00:36
What is the point of arguing in such a babyish manner against each other? AJ for once agree that Malik played well and admit that at least some of your accusations regarding his technique were proved wrong today rather than jumping at others for no reason and lets all acknowledge the fact that compared to other bowlers Shoaib did well and lets stop these anti-malik and anti-akthar posts! Agreed that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but there is a border line between a good comment and a babyish remark.

shabaash :14::14:

Jimmy two-times
27th October 2005, 00:38
What is the point of arguing in such a babyish manner against each other? AJ for once agree that Malik played well and admit that at least some of your accusations regarding his technique were proved wrong today rather than jumping at others for no reason and lets all acknowledge the fact that compared to other bowlers Shoaib did well and lets stop these anti-malik and anti-akthar posts! Agreed that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but there is a border line between a good comment and a babyish remark.

subhanallah well said:14:

Gasherbrum
27th October 2005, 00:41
he's right. larai jhagra band karo, kabab khao.

in_cutter
27th October 2005, 00:43
he's right. larai jhagra band karo, kabab khao.

khush khush ho kei doner kebab kao

Easa
27th October 2005, 00:46
nice shoaib and shoaib, why is everybody bashing the latter, i dont see whats wrong with 1-50 of 15 overs in a typical pakistani batting paradise!

Amjid Javed
27th October 2005, 00:57
What is the point of arguing in such a babyish manner against each other? AJ for once agree that Malik played well and admit that at least some of your accusations regarding his technique were proved wrong today rather than jumping at others for no reason and lets all acknowledge the fact that compared to other bowlers Shoaib did well and lets stop these anti-malik and anti-akthar posts! Agreed that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but there is a border line between a good comment and a babyish remark.

Whats new today? nothing!

Pakistan players are mediocre for ages then have one good game and bang... we have the next hanif muhammed, saeed anwar etc..

sami will perform in one game and he will be proclaimed the next waqar. Despite fact hes been poor in test cricket for years.

razzaq will peform for one game and will be proclaimed the next imran khan.
Despite fact hes been poor in test cricket for years.

am not surprised there is overboard reaction to maliks knock today. am sure like salman butt was likened to saeed anwar, malik is now the next hanif muhammed.

do the names ali naqvi, Mohammad Naveed, Manzoor Akhtar, Imran Abbas, qaiser Abbas ring a bell?

1) This is not a test match. ( even so i :14: the fact maliks done well mashallah)

2) The wicket by all accounts is flat and slow. even the likes of a ganguly, hafeez am sure would look great on such surfaces.

Ive said it b4 and il say it wait till we play on more lively surfaces then will see which of are players are flat asain track bullies and which are not. So many of are batsmen have scored vast runs on placid tracks in faisalbad, mumbai and galle etc.. yet as soon as they have played at headingley, perth, wellington, joburg etc they have been made to look foolish.

If malik goes on to be a good opener then good. great for pakistan.

However comments interms of maliks proved he can play short ball or can play on lively wickets has not been dismissed at all.

Players underperform for years, yet they have 1 good games and they have proved the doubters wrong. really shows the consistancy level some pakistan fans look at. 1 good game and we are a team of world beaters.

If a player can perform consistanly game afta game, series afta series with a high degree of consistancy then we have hope.

Mercenary
27th October 2005, 01:05
AJ I cant understand why you can never admit you went a little overboard in your criticism? I've admitted that I've been wrong about YK, Akmal and Malik in the past.

It's all a part of the speculation involved in being a Pak cricket fan, yet whenever you find yourself proven wrong you start attacking the other person rather than admit your views were rather one-sided.

As for going crazy over 'one performance' I remember on the old SN when Afridi did an excellent job with the ball and you started saying 'well done Afridi' (back in the day you didnt want him in the ODI or Test squads) and then in the same match he failed with the bat and you got back on his case again!! Then you said you'd give Sami six months to prove himself after he bowled well vs Aus A but you started attacking him again before the week was out!!

How consistent was that?

Maybe you should just chill and if you weren't so extreme in your criticism in the first place then you wouldnt have to climb down from a mountain each time you're proven wrong. As you have experienced with Rana and Afridi in the past.

Just a bit of positive criticism from me, take it or leave it as you wish!

MCMLXXXII
27th October 2005, 01:20
This isn't even a domestic match! At the PCB site its classified under "Other Matches"!

Monsee
27th October 2005, 01:22
AJ I cant understand why you can never admit you went a little overboard in your criticism? I've admitted that I've been wrong about YK, Akmal and Malik in the past.

It's all a part of the speculation involved in being a Pak cricket fan, yet whenever you find yourself proven wrong you start attacking the other person rather than admit your views were rather one-sided.

As for going crazy over 'one performance' I remember on the old SN when Afridi did an excellent job with the ball and you started saying 'well done Afridi' (back in the day you didnt want him in the ODI or Test squads) and then in the same match he failed with the bat and you got back on his case again!! Then you said you'd give Sami six months to prove himself after he bowled well vs Aus A but you started attacking him again before the week was out!!

How consistent was that?

Maybe you should just chill and if you weren't so extreme in your criticism in the first place then you wouldnt have to climb down from a mountain each time you're proven wrong. As you have experienced with Rana and Afridi in the past.

Just a bit of positive criticism from me, take it or leave it as you wish!



Now he will attack Merc rather than tackling the issue or god forbid accepting his mistake

Then people wonder why I picked on him like that...I have been there enough times to know the outcome

sehsan
27th October 2005, 01:33
monsee, chora yarr.....larai karney ka koi point nahi hai

Mercenary
27th October 2005, 01:40
also monsee you're no angel yourself (neither am I) when it comes to Akhtar so lets just let this one pass, maybe AJ will change.

Saj
27th October 2005, 01:54
AJ and Monsee, this thread is the most popular and probably most interesting thread of today, as it relates to a very important match in Pak's preparation of the series against England. I do not want it ruined by you two arguing so stop NOW!

Shayan_Sohail
27th October 2005, 01:55
Great performances by Malik, Younus, Moyo and Akhtar.

I dont understand how 1-50 of 15 overs on a pitch that was obviousoy a belter is bad.

Amjid Javed
27th October 2005, 01:58
Great performances by Malik, Younus, Moyo and Akhtar.

I dont understand how 1-50 of 15 overs on a pitch that was obviousoy a belter is bad.

akthar shud have bowled 33 overs today non-stop and should have taken all 10 wickets, also fielded like like jonty rhodes. Thats only way some fans are happy.

sehsan
27th October 2005, 02:00
amjid: now you are exaggerating it

kas
27th October 2005, 02:01
tomorow will be a crucial day for pakistan's chances. the reasons is because inzi,kamal and akmal need time in the middle as recently they have been in poor form. all 3 of them need at least half centuries so that their confidence can be raised. if kamal and akmal go into eng series short of runs then i can see them struggle with the bat.

also tomorow rest of pak might bat as well and its important that farhat continues his good form and makes a good score. in that way we will have two openers(malik and farhat) who might set a decent foundation for the middle order to build on.

hopefully one of the seamers ie rana or sami can get a few wickets too.

its all about confidence in my opinion.the team needs to believe in their ability

sehsan
27th October 2005, 02:03
kas: ver well said, its very important for kamal, sami and rana to do well now

MWH
27th October 2005, 02:03
Malik looks to have cemented his place at no.1 - well done to him.

On the subject of 12th men, as this is only a practice game surely they could have allowed Shahid Nazir to bowl as well as field in place of a batsman during the inngs - this way everyone would have got a chance to stake a claim.

kas
27th October 2005, 02:06
Malik looks to have cemented his place at no.1 - well done to him.

On the subject of 12th men, as this is only a practice game surely they could have allowed Shahid Nazir to bowl as well as field in place of a batsman during the inngs - this way everyone would have got a chance to stake a claim.

i think he was injured to a certain extent cos he was in a car crash recently. maybe that played a part??

MWH
27th October 2005, 02:19
Quite possible actually now that you mention it, Kas. I had forgotten about that.

Raz
27th October 2005, 02:46
AJ and Monsee, this thread is the most popular and probably most interesting thread of today, as it relates to a very important match in Pak's preparation of the series against England. I do not want it ruined by you two arguing so stop NOW!

The boss has spoken! Take heed!

kas
27th October 2005, 02:56
Could Noddy bhai tell us abit about the pitch?

can any1 plz tell me which ex cricketer noddy is? and who does he get all the info from? does he have any contact with players

Raz
27th October 2005, 03:03
can any1 plz tell me which ex cricketer noddy is? and who does he get all the info from? does he have any contact with players

No can do im afraid. No one knows this!

Hash
27th October 2005, 03:06
well played Malik!!

I think we can safely say Malik will open.

Guess the other spot will be between Salman Butt and Imran Farhat.

mlegha1
27th October 2005, 03:10
Seems like the picth was a traditional "Phatta" , good to see Malik and Younis get some runs though. 17 Noballs seems like the ever green problems of the extras will linger on with our team.

Noddy
27th October 2005, 03:28
Sami said it was a pure battin wicket but felt that when they get to bowl on it, it will do a bit...

I didnt ask him why Afridi isnt playing as we were talking about other things far more important and he said they boys played well.....

Lets see

Monsee
27th October 2005, 03:30
Phatta or no Phatta, since our Bestest, Fastest, Scariet Bowler was bowling to a scared and darpoke bits-n-pieces player...he should have at least gotten 10 wickets

That's the hype that is created here, non-stop, day in day out, 24 hours a day...He probably himself doesn't have as much confidence in his ability as some here

Officer Barbrady
27th October 2005, 04:04
Well done to Malik and Shoaib today. The rest of the bowlers bowled rubbish I assume and Mushy was his old self.

returnee
27th October 2005, 04:57
Yeah,,, Shaoiby Malik is the man

Raz
27th October 2005, 05:01
Sami said it was a pure battin wicket but felt that when they get to bowl on it, it will do a bit...

I didnt ask him why Afridi isnt playing as we were talking about other things far more important and he said they boys played well.....

Lets see

All the best to him when he comes onto bowl.

jalex382
27th October 2005, 11:22
Guys any new updates? score board hasnt moved a bit yet. Is there anyone from Pakistan who can update us on the scores?

the true passionist
27th October 2005, 11:46
yeh any live updates?

Amir_rulez
27th October 2005, 11:54
A great innings by Malik. I keep hearing he is favorite of Bob and all. But take a look at his performance. He merits that position. Malik over Taufeeq and Farhat anyday!