Poll : Imran Khan ,Nawaz Sharif,Asif Zardari or Altaf Hussein ?

[T20_Cricket]

Who do you trust or admire most as a leader and why?

[FastBowler]

Imran Khan obviously. The only credible leader from all those mentioned.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Imran Khan obviously. The only credible leader from all those mentioned.

Indeed BUT I expect people to vote for the others

[T20_Cricket]

Mods can you add a poll?

[hasanb]

If a poll is made can we also add Pervez Musharraf...and for a change lets not attack each other. Everyone will have their own choices for whatever reason, so let everyone vote for their preferred option as see what we come up with.

[FastBowler]

Only thing I don't like about Imran is that he doesn't like Musharraf.

[waqar_ahmad]

Nawaz Sharif, zardari, and altaf hussain are seasoned politicians. THey have been getting votes consistently. Imran Khan cant get a single vote. What has he done in the field of politics? The guy backs the taliban. He wants to talk to them instead of bombing the hell out of them, when we all know that the solution to extremism is to bomb everyone.

How anyone can back Imran Khan is beyond me

[Down2Earth]

imran khan talks about the same issues over and over. does he even have a manifesto?

[Mohsin]

imran khan talks about the same issues over and over. does he even have a manifesto?

:))):))):)))...no but seriously that was a joke right? :|

[DeadlyVenom]

I admire Imran Khan most however I think hes an idealist and as of yet isnt shrewd enough to be a politician. His party has barely any power in Pakistan but it will grow inshallah.

Excluding Imran from the list I detest all other men but detest zardari the least.

[Rana]

I hope Imran khan can walk the walk as well.

As an ahmedi, i would prefer Altaf Hussain.

[KingKhanWC]

Imran is the only decent one.

[hasanb]

I think things are shaping up nicely for a poll to be added now :D

[Down2Earth]

:))):))):)))...no but seriously that was a joke right? :|

oh look, they do. i'm actually impressed (with the fact that they have one. not with the manifesto itself) http://www.insaf.pk/docs/PTImanifesto.pdf

[DeadlyVenom]

I hope Imran khan can walk the walk as well.

As an ahmedi, i would prefer Altaf Hussain.

Has he said anything specif to Ahmedi? Or is your decision based on him being the most secular?

[Down2Earth]

Has he said anything specif to Ahmedi? Or is your decision based on him being the most secular?

may be he was the most secular 20 years ago, he's the least secular now, from those listed in the thread.

[Rana]

Has he said anything specif to Ahmedi? Or is your decision based on him being the most secular?

He is the only leader in pakistan who speaks for equality for Ahmadis. He has been mentioned by our leader in his friday sermons as well. If he becomes Pressdent of pakistan, i hope to see some rights returned to ahmadis through him.

[saeed-sohail]

Maulana Fazal ul Rehman.

[COMEBACKID]

I hope Imran khan can walk the walk as well.

As an ahmedi, i would prefer Altaf Hussain.

its not who you prefer its who will do there best job for pakistan the awam the nation the poor the helpless not feed the rich more help those who need help so im going with :imran :pakflag2

[Down2Earth]

He is the only leader in pakistan who speaks for equality for Ahmadis. He has been mentioned by our leader in his friday sermons as well. If he becomes Pressdent of pakistan, i hope to see some rights returned to ahmadis through him.

mere bhai, everyone is suffering in pakistan. wahabis, sunnis, shias, ahmadis, sikhs etc are all dying left right and centre. we need a leader who can unite all of us and sadly altaf hussain would do the complete opposite.

[DeadlyVenom]

mere bhai, everyone is suffering in pakistan. wahabis, sunnis, shias, ahmadis, sikhs etc are all dying left right and centre. we need a leader who can unite all of us and sadly altaf hussain would do the complete opposite.

His people have been through a lot over the years, understandably his primary concern is return of their rights.

[Down2Earth]

His people have been through a lot over the years, understandably his primary concern is return of their rights.

no doubt about it. but is altaf hussain the answer? i'm not too sure.

[Rana]

no doubt about it. but is altaf hussain the answer? i'm not too sure.

From an Ahmadi point of view, there is no other option. Who can we trust?
We trusted Musharraf, but he let us down!

Ahmadis dont vote in pakistan, because they dont want to be considered in the non muslim minorities voters, but im just giving you some information. if they were told to vote for whoevere they want by our leader, they wil most probablyl vote for Altaf Hussain.

[PakistanPaindabad]

Imran Khan.

From an Ahmadi point of view, there is no other option. Who can we trust?
We trusted Musharraf, but he let us down!

Ahmadis dont vote in pakistan, because they dont want to be considered in the non muslim minorities voters, but im just giving you some information. if they were told to vote for whoevere they want by our leader, they will vote for Altaf Hussain.

Why not Imran Khan? He has spoken for equality in Pakistan and giving EVERYONE their rights - just an honest question, not to change your opinion or anything.

[Rana]

Imran Khan.



Why not Imran Khan? He has spoken for equality in Pakistan and giving EVERYONE their rights - just an honest question, not to change your opinion or anything.

My father believes that Imran Khan was the greatest captain ever, he gets the whole nation with him!

But as i said, who can we (ahmadis) trust? We really dont know, Imran khan will always be respected for his cricketing wisdom and his positivness, but can we ahmadis trust him to protect us from brutal haters?

[aqeelPK]

The only reason i wud vote for imran khan is the cricket.he may bring some postive changes in our cricket system.
tbh, i want sheikh rasheed or some balochi to lead our country in near future.

[insaftak]

I hope Imran khan can walk the walk as well.

As an ahmedi, i would prefer Altaf Hussain.

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Imran Khan answering an Ahmedi's question.

[insaftak]

From an Ahmadi point of view, there is no other option. Who can we trust?
We trusted Musharraf, but he let us down!

Ahmadis dont vote in pakistan, because they dont want to be considered in the non muslim minorities voters, but im just giving you some information. if they were told to vote for whoevere they want by our leader, they will vote for Altaf Hussain.

Mate Musharaf let down every pakistani one not only the ahmedis.

[Rana]

Mate Musharaf let down every pakistani one not only the ahmedis.

Ill let you in on a bit of insight. I had a meeting with our leader about a year ago, back then i actually used to like Musharraf, because i thought he was really good and honest and brave.

I asked our leader what he thinks about Musharaf, he said that musharaf made the biggest mistake by making that guy pm (i dont know his name, the current one). He said that decision has ruined pakistan. Now im not an expert on pakistani politics, i am just a young british boy who cares less about politics and enjiys watching pakistan play on sky sports, but this was an eye opener for me.

I later came to learn that musharaf prommised the ahmadis that he would remove the 'non muslim' option in the pakistani passport, for that reason Ahmadis after such a long time voted for him, but then he just seemed to forget about his prommise!

[crazy4_cricket]

its ALTAF not ILTAF :quote::quote:

2. hussain NOT IN YOUR ENGLISH (Hussein):13:

you can´t write the leader name and you wanna choose a leader??:)))

GOD HELP PAKISTAN WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU (UK MIX PAKISTANI)..........

wht do you guys know about PAKISTAN?just MEDIA??????thts all your source of knowledge,sadly but its not good enough tht u ask us to choose the leader coz you can´t spell the leader name correctly.......


my reply to Mr.T20_Cricket

[Mohsin]

No offence my friend but I find it VERY ironic how Altaf Hussainis beingmade out as 'the protector' of the people.

The same Altaf 'mafia style serial killer who's spent some of the blood money on big properties (i'll show you the one down the road from where I am in Mill Hill) here in England by a man, a traitor who always says he wants to come back to Pakistan, shouting down the phone 'if the people want me back, I'll comeback tomorrow' followed by the people shouting 'WE WANT YOU BACK, YES COME BACK' to only be followed by MQMers at the front guarding the phone; frantically waving their arms, shushing them and telling them to shut up lol. As well as Musharraf (yes thatMusharraf) apparently saying he'd kill the Ghaddar if he ever had the chance' Hussain?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Poll has now been added

Do note that its a public poll so other people can see who you voted for

[Rana]

I stuck to my opinion, Altaf it is.

[FastBowler]

Remember Musharraf was facing an Islamist backlash, and helping the Ahmedis (though I believe it should be done ASAP) couldn't be done right then.

[Rana]

Remember Musharraf was facing an Islamist backlash, and helping the Ahmedis (though I believe it should be done ASAP) couldn't be done right then.

Thanks, its good to know that people respect our stance in community.

[crazy4_cricket]

we(PAKISTANI)are not in a position at this time to take any 1 of them,anyways mr.Zardari still there he is not dead yet so why this polling game?

untill Tarkari is there no 1 allow to come because he is SHAITAAN in RAMADAN also,and i know we are not brave enough to remove this SHAITAAN 1st..........

you guys have a good game zone here call (pak passion).

MUST WATCH TARKARI UNTY ON CAM,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l76Eqz2D4WI

[x2zee123]

I would pick imran khan. If there was zaid hamid option then it would be him :)

[T20_Cricket]

Poll has now been added

Do note that its a public poll so other people can see who you voted for

thanks

In my Opinion only Imran khan with the help of Mr.Altaf Hussain can save Pakistan.So voted for Imran khan :)

[crazy4_cricket]

you wrote again wrong,,is everything ok with you,i think you are still in shock wht mr,butt´s n akmal´s did...........

your last post HUSSAIN OK..........

but still top HUSSEIN(its sounds like 2names)

MY SUPPORT FOR PAKISTAN PEOPLE............

[waqar_ahmad]

Ill let you in on a bit of insight. I had a meeting with our leader about a year ago, back then i actually used to like Musharraf, because i thought he was really good and honest and brave.

I asked our leader what he thinks about Musharaf, he said that musharaf made the biggest mistake by making that guy pm (i dont know his name, the current one). He said that decision has ruined pakistan. Now im not an expert on pakistani politics, i am just a young british boy who cares less about politics and enjiys watching pakistan play on sky sports, but this was an eye opener for me.

I later came to learn that musharaf prommised the ahmadis that he would remove the 'non muslim' option in the pakistani passport, for that reason Ahmadis after such a long time voted for him, but then he just seemed to forget about his prommise!
Why is Imran Kha not the right choice for an ahmedi? He talks about justice, equality, freedom of expression.
It is not correct to judge him, since he has never been a position of power. The guy has done more for the country than any of these corrupt politicians.

But I am curious to know the answer to my question

[Rana]

Why is Imran Kha not the right choice for an ahmedi? He talks about justice, equality, freedom of expression.
It is not correct to judge him, since he has never been a position of power. The guy has done more for the country than any of these corrupt politicians.

But I am curious to know the answer to my question

No doubt Imran Khan fits all those agendas as you say, an Ahmedi can vote for him if he wants, but the way altaf has been open in his defence for Ahmadies, Imran isnt quite there yet. Therefopre i am giving you my view, not every ahmadi's.

[UmarAkmals-fan]

altaf hussin all the way ..hes shown his love of pakistan in india which no other leader dares to do

[Geordie Ahmed]

you wrote again wrong,,is everything ok with you,i think you are still in shock wht mr,butt´s n akmal´s did...........

your last post HUSSAIN OK..........

but still top HUSSEIN(its sounds like 2names)

MY SUPPORT FOR PAKISTAN PEOPLE............

You need to calm down - it's an english spelling of a Pakistani name, its irrelevant whether its sain or sein

and it's kinda ironic considering your grammar is quite poor

[cric_crazy]

easy one........Altaf Hussain.....no one even comes close to the qualities of leadership that he possesses......everybody will realize it in short time........And trust me, MQM is the only party that treats ppl in Pakistan as Pakistani first .......Be it ahmedis(for which altaf hussain had to face criticism from many different quarters of pakistan) or other minorities for instance....... Imran khan has a long way to catch up........

[cric_crazy]

He is the only leader in pakistan who speaks for equality for Ahmadis. He has been mentioned by our leader in his friday sermons as well. If he becomes Pressdent of pakistan, i hope to see some rights returned to ahmadis through him.

No my friend, Altaf hussain will never opt to become president or PM even........and thats another quality that differentiates him from other leaders.......But I can guarantee u that the person he will nominate from his party will more likely be mustafa kamal or any other honest person....

[T20_Cricket]

you wrote again wrong,,is everything ok with you,i think you are still in shock wht mr,butt´s n akmal´s did...........

your last post HUSSAIN OK..........

but still top HUSSEIN(its sounds like 2names)

MY SUPPORT FOR PAKISTAN PEOPLE............

Oh thanx mere english ke ustaad( why are you chasing me?)

[tauseefm]

Imran all the way!!!!
I would've wasted my vote rather then giving it to these choors if Imran wasn't included in the list.

[mrk]

I hope Imran khan can walk the walk as well.

As an ahmedi, i would prefer Altaf Hussain.


lol ALtaf Hussain the taxi driver joker ? Good luck with Pakistan than.

He isnt Pakistan but british and u want to make a British ur leader who not even come to Pakistan ? Forget about living in Pakistan.

I cant understand how can ppl listen too his crap speaches so long.:)))

[mrk]

ONE AND ONLY IMRAN KHAN and FATIMA BHUTTO as his helper

[T20_Cricket]

I cant understand how can ppl listen too his crap speaches so long.:)))

"Bhayion " :))) funny but you gotta love the way he speaks
"Oye Jageerdara"

[FastBowler]

fatima bhutto?????

[insaftak]

Why is Imran Kha not the right choice for an ahmedi? He talks about justice, equality, freedom of expression.
It is not correct to judge him, since he has never been a position of power. The guy has done more for the country than any of these corrupt politicians.

But I am curious to know the answer to my question

that's with the video i posted in post #27 where Imran Khan is explaining how he will protect all the citizens of this country be it sindhi, Balouchi, Pathan, Punjabi, Beralvi, Wahabi, Deobandis, Ahmedis, Sikhs, Christians. Altaf Hussein's Party along with ANP have been too busy killing each other.

[Waseem]

Imran Khan....without a shadow of doubt.

I know everyone has right to vote for their favourite party but at least I can proudly say that i don't support IK because of his ethnic background, caste, family tradition, pressure etc.

Looking at the results so far, it's amazing that most PPP and PML supporters are now favouring Imran Khan but Altaf Hussain still has his supporters.
What is the main reason behind people supporting Altaf Hussain (other than his ethnc background)???It looks like there are many people in Karachi who still support him even more than Imran Khan.
Now that educated people are choosing Imran Khan as their next leader (on most Pakistan online forums anyway), what's keeping Altaf supporters away from MOST IMPORTANT CHNAGE in our history???

[zimran72]

Imran Khan....without a shadow of doubt.

I know everyone has right to vote for their favourite party but at least I can proudly say that i don't support IK because of his ethnic background, caste, family tradition, pressure etc.

Looking at the results so far, it's amazing that most PPP and PML supporters are now favouring Imran Khan but Altaf Hussain still has his supporters.
What is the main reason behind people supporting Altaf Hussain (other than his ethnc background)???It looks like there are many people in Karachi who still support him even more than Imran Khan.
Now that educated people are choosing Imran Khan as their next leader (on most Pakistan online forums anyway), what's keeping Altaf supporters away from MOST IMPORTANT CHNAGE in our history???

So anyone that doesn't vote for Imran Khan is uneducated. Well that explains why Zardari's in power at least.

[PerfectionPersonified]

Imran Khan....without a shadow of doubt.

I know everyone has right to vote for their favourite party but at least I can proudly say that i don't support IK because of his ethnic background, caste, family tradition, pressure etc.

Looking at the results so far, it's amazing that most PPP and PML supporters are now favouring Imran Khan but Altaf Hussain still has his supporters.
What is the main reason behind people supporting Altaf Hussain (other than his ethnc background)???It looks like there are many people in Karachi who still support him even more than Imran Khan.
Now that educated people are choosing Imran Khan as their next leader (on most Pakistan online forums anyway), what's keeping Altaf supporters away from MOST IMPORTANT CHNAGE in our history???

i know few Waseem s in Melbourne, which one is this?
UNI?

[Desire]

sheikh rasheed because he talks about common man.

[PakPassionate]

Imran Imran Imran

[dhump]

None of them Marshal Law :D

[Waseem]

So anyone that doesn't vote for Imran Khan is uneducated. Well that explains why Zardari's in power at least.

I said "Educated people are now favouring Imran" which doesn't mean rest are uneducated. I just found it surprising that there is no one on PP who supports Nawaz or Zardari but Altaf's supporters still prefer him over Imran Khan?? I am just trying to understand what makes Altaf Hussain a better leader than Imran Khan??
In other words, why do some people admire/trust Altaf Hussain more than Imran Khan???

[Waseem]

i know few Waseem s in Melbourne, which one is this?
UNI?

I thought i was the only one in Melbourne, surprised there are others :)

I went to VUT (graduated a few years ago).

[lakha84]

He is the only leader in pakistan who speaks for equality for Ahmadis. He has been mentioned by our leader in his friday sermons as well. If he becomes Pressdent of pakistan, i hope to see some rights returned to ahmadis through him.

when i told my dad i want a BMW M3 he said there is nothing wrong in dreaming

[PakPassionate]

Imran khan is one of the best Pakistan has ever produced. i wish him all the best in his future aspirations. i will campaign for tehreek e insaaf because this is the only party who has identified core issues of Pakistan . this party has a strong leadership with a very clear stance.well done imran khan




Altaf hussain is a Killer of innocent people of Karachi and head of a terrorist party. he deserved to be hanged.





Nawaz shareef is the most Coward politician of Pakistan. In 2000, he proved it when he runaway jeddeh with his family and left alone his honest worker and pupil of Pakistan with agreement to Dictator. Before come to Pakistan , In press conference he accepted that agreement is only for 5 years ,not for 10 years. I proud on Shabaz shareef not on Nawaz shareef. Nawaz shareef is coward and criminal .




Zardari should be held responsible for the killing of civilians in drone attacks. There is no law in the world that allows killing of every member of a house if any member of that house has done crime. When you allow drone attack it certainly means that everyone in the building will be killed including women and children in the house. Someone should take notice of it.

[AZ]

from jailhouse to President House...kya baat hai.

[AtifUk]

Even though Imran is the obvious choice here this has to be a very biased poll.

Think about it, this is a cricketing forum for Pakistani's and Imran is the biggest cricketing hero to come out of our country so noone else stands a chance even if they were decent leaders, which ofcourse they are not.

[PakistanPaindabad]

Even though Imran is the obvious choice here this has to be a very biased poll.

Think about it, this is a cricketing forum for Pakistani's and Imran is the biggest cricketing hero to come out of our country so noone else stands a chance even if they were decent leaders, which ofcourse they are not.

so maybe then it has nothing to do with Imran Khan being a cricketer.

[Mohsin]

lol ALtaf Hussain the taxi driver joker ? Good luck with Pakistan than.

He isnt Pakistan but british and u want to make a British ur leader who not even come to Pakistan ? Forget about living in Pakistan.

I cant understand how can ppl listen too his crap speaches so long.:)))

:))) I gotta admit, i enjoy his speeches...how can you not lol

gc_CvVJoM6Y

BISMILLAAAA-HIRAAMAAA--NIRAHEEEEEEEEEEM...EEEIK, DOOOO...TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN.....SHABAAAAAAAAAASH! :altaf

http://wikimir.wdfiles.com/local--files/altaf-hussain/altaf_hussain_british_passport_red.jpg
I apparently want to come back to Pakistan

[GLORY OF '92]

Good to see Imran Khan winning. The only hope left in the current leadership.

[cric_crazy]

:))) I gotta admit, i enjoy his speeches...how can you not lol

gc_CvVJoM6Y

BISMILLAAAA-HIRAAMAAA--NIRAHEEEEEEEEEEM...EEEIK, DOOOO...TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN.....SHABAAAAAAAAAASH! :altaf

http://wikimir.wdfiles.com/local--files/altaf-hussain/altaf_hussain_british_passport_red.jpg
I apparently want to come back to Pakistan

lol......Altaf hussain is not even in Pakistan and still he has got so many supporters, just imagine wt will happen when he comes back to pakistan.....mqm is the only mainstream party that seams to be expanding........u on the other hand seem to be farting when ever altaf hussain name comes up........lagey raho munnay.........nobody gives a damn about how much BS u spread over the internet...I have met ppl like u..thats the only thing I have seen tehreek e insaaf ppl do basically........and then they ask why imran khan is not popular in pakistan.........and thnx for posting the video......u like it or not but u r spreading MQM message.......so keep up the good work "munnay"

[Strike!]

Result isn't that surprising considering this is a forum dominated by young males. It is the demographic that imran khan has always had the most support in, But it's the wider majority of people who ultimately count.

[Mohsin]

Result isn't that surprising considering this is a forum dominated by young males. It is the demographic that imran khan has always had the most support in, But it's the wider majority of people who ultimately count.

Guess the average age of Pakistan's population...when you have 70odd% of Pakistan below the age of 25 (or something like that)...there's a reason for PTI's growth in recent times

[Looney]

None of the above

Though i would not mind having people like Mustafa Kamal Khan or Faisal Sabzwari as our leaders .

[Markhor]

Bad idea including Imran Khan there,obviously everyone will choose him.

Realistically the options are Zardari and Nawaz.Sharifs any day over 'Sindh Card' Zardari.

[farhan]

None of the above

Though i would not mind having people like Mustafa Kamal Khan or Faisal Sabzwari as our leaders .

you are rite, i wish he could be in the list then i don't have to vote for altaf hussain......

[Waseem]

lol......Altaf hussain is not even in Pakistan and still he has got so many supporters, just imagine wt will happen when he comes back to pakistan.....mqm is the only mainstream party that seams to be expanding........u on the other hand seem to be farting when ever altaf hussain name comes up........lagey raho munnay.........nobody gives a damn about how much BS u spread over the internet...I have met ppl like u..thats the only thing I have seen tehreek e insaaf ppl do basically........and then they ask why imran khan is not popular in pakistan.........and thnx for posting the video......u like it or not but u r spreading MQM message.......so keep up the good work "munnay"

:))):))):))) That's more comical than Pakistan's batting performance today.


I always wondered how a CLOWN like Altaf wins so many votes. According to some people from Karachi, it's mostly because of massive rigging and some are even forced to vote for him. One thing is clear that he surely has his fans who will vote for him no matter how weiredly he acts. Unfortunately these people are one of the most educated people in Pakistan, why blame uneducated/JAHIL then????

[insaftak]

. Unfortunately these people are one of the most educated people in Pakistan, why blame uneducated/JAHIL then????

Someone needs to ask Altaf Hussein why his party voted 4 years in a row for cut in education budget.

We represent the poor and lower middle class my ass. How about you stop voting for cuts in eductaion budget first and then you talk about revolution. The hypocricy of Altaf Hussein never stops amazing me.

[Waseem]

Someone needs to ask Altaf Hussein why his party voted 4 years in a row for cut in education budget.

We represent the poor and lower middle class my ass. How about you stop voting for cuts in eductaion budget first and then you talk about revolution. The hypocricy of Altaf Hussein never stops amazing me.

Apparently he is against waderas/feudals/Chaudharies but he never fails to get in bed with them after every election.

[saqlain]

Someone needs to ask Altaf Hussein why his party voted 4 years in a row for cut in education budget.

We represent the poor and lower middle class my ass. How about you stop voting for cuts in eductaion budget first and then you talk about revolution. The hypocricy of Altaf Hussein never stops amazing me.

Can you tell everyone where and at what point all the MNAs from MQM voted against education budget?

You can not term anyone as hyprocrate simply because you do not agree with his position.

[saqlain]

Apparently he is against waderas/feudals/Chaudharies but he never fails to get in bed with them after every election.

MQM is always targeted for this issue that they are part of all the governments in the last few government. It is true that MQM was part of the governments. That is their democratic right to be part of the government if the other parties or coalition parties wants them in the government. Anyone can go and do their research and find out if MQM begged other parties to bring them in the government. MQM represents a huge population of Karachi and Hyderabad cities and it only makes snese for them to be in power in order to bring funds for the development.

Keep in mind when you are not in government in Pakistan you do not get to enjoy any favorable development funds. It is sad but true. Staying in government or in power ensures that you can help people and do development in your constituency IF the MNA or MPA wants. Those who have been to Karachi or Hyderabad in the last few years would know what MQM has done in those cities.

[saqlain]

you are rite, i wish he could be in the list then i don't have to vote for altaf hussain......

Only in MQM, someone like Syed Kamal Shah and Faisal Sabzwari can be elected either as Mayor or Chief Minister or even Prime Minsiter. I don't think that PPP or PMLN would allow someone other than Bilawal or a relative of Sharifs to be appointment for PM post.

[insaftak]

Can you tell everyone where and at what point all the MNAs from MQM voted against education budget?

You can not term anyone as hyprocrate simply because you do not agree with his position.

MQM has been in gov't for last four years be it in Musharaf gov't or this ppp led gov't and both gov't couldn't pass the budget without the help of MQM. If MQM was serious in helping people they wouldn't have voted for cut in education budget, cut in water and electricity budget and the unjust taxation system in pakistan.

To me that is hypocrisy.

[insaftak]

MQM is always targeted for this issue that they are part of all the governments in the last few government. It is true that MQM was part of the governments. That is their democratic right to be part of the government if the other parties or coalition parties wants them in the government. Anyone can go and do their research and find out if MQM begged other parties to bring them in the government. MQM represents a huge population of Karachi and Hyderabad cities and it only makes snese for them to be in power in order to bring funds for the development.

Keep in mind when you are not in government in Pakistan you do not get to enjoy any favorable development funds. It is sad but true. Staying in government or in power ensures that you can help people and do development in your constituency IF the MNA or MPA wants. Those who have been to Karachi or Hyderabad in the last few years would know what MQM has done in those cities.

its not last few years, MQM has been part of the gov't for last 20 years and they have brought no change to pakistan. the unjust taxation budget continues, the cuts in education and healthcare budget continues. Pathetic performance by MQM in last 20 years.

[saqlain]

MQM has been in gov't for last four years be it in Musharaf gov't or this ppp led gov't and both gov't couldn't pass the budget without the help of MQM. If MQM was serious in helping people they wouldn't have voted for cut in education budget, cut in water and electricity budget and the unjust taxation system in pakistan.

To me that is hypocrisy.

If you check the record the latest budget was passed by the assembly unanimously. All major parties were onboard before the final budget vote. I am not sure why you are pointing MQM only in your posts. Do you think everyone else in Pakistan is an angel and only MQM is hypocritic in its' actions?

[insaftak]

If you check the record the latest budget was passed by the assembly unanimously. All major parties were onboard before the final budget vote. I am not sure why you are pointing MQM only in your posts. Do you think everyone else in Pakistan is an angel and only MQM is hypocritic in its' actions?

MQM Claims to be different than those parties. this is exactly my point that MQM is no different than any of the clowns sitting in parliament. They represent this unjust status quo. I do not support the idiots in parliament.

Down with Status quo.

[Qelic]

gather them and bomb them all ! quick solution

[saqlain]

its not last few years, MQM has been part of the gov't for last 20 years and they have brought no change to pakistan. the unjust taxation budget continues, the cuts in education and healthcare budget continues. Pathetic performance by MQM in last 20 years.

Once again, you can lash at MQM for not doing enough to change the system but what about Imran Khan and other parties who are equally as reponsible. It is okay to show your affiliation by admonishing MQM but the real question is still out there; what Imran and others have done so far to change the system?

[farhan]

Someone needs to ask Altaf Hussein why his party voted 4 years in a row for cut in education budget.

We represent the poor and lower middle class my ass. How about you stop voting for cuts in eductaion budget first and then you talk about revolution. The hypocricy of Altaf Hussein never stops amazing me.

language

[Strike!]

Once again, you can lash at MQM for not doing enough to change the system but what about Imran Khan and other parties who are equally as reponsible. It is okay to show your affiliation by admonishing MQM but the real question is still out there; what Imran and others have done so far to change the system?

When has imran been given a chance to change things exactly?

[PakistanPaindabad]

Once again, you can lash at MQM for not doing enough to change the system but what about Imran Khan and other parties who are equally as reponsible. It is okay to show your affiliation by admonishing MQM but the real question is still out there; what Imran and others have done so far to change the system?

Dont worry about MQM or Imran Khan. Worry about Obama and the mid term elections, let us worry about Pakistan :wasim

[saqlain]

When has imran been given a chance to change things exactly?

Someone is talking sense here. The real question is if Imran is ever going to get a chance? He is enough popular to win his own seat from Mianwali and that would be it. He has to make alliances rather then making enemies.

I agree with what Imran says as he maybe the leader Pakistan needs. However, you can not achieve anything in Pakistan if you are not part of a government or a ruling coalition. Even then you would be marginalize or cornered. Imran is talking about changing the system in the same manner as You or a friend of yours is talking about changing the corrupt system.

[saqlain]

Dont worry about MQM or Imran Khan. Worry about Obama and the mid term elections, let us worry about Pakistan :wasim

Pakistan is a worry for us :)

[insaftak]

Once again, you can lash at MQM for not doing enough to change the system but what about Imran Khan and other parties who are equally as reponsible. It is okay to show your affiliation by admonishing MQM but the real question is still out there; what Imran and others have done so far to change the system?

Imran Khan hasn't been in gov't for last 20 years and still is running a cancer hospital, a university and now has raised over 600 million Rs for Flood victims.

That's the change you could believe in.

[insaftak]

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Forgive me for getting angry at the hypocrites that say one thing and do one thing.

You should have addressed the remaining post about MQM supporting cuts in education budget while saying over and over again that they represent the poor and lower middle class.

Cuts in education budget are not helping poor and the lower middle class.

[insaftak]

I agree with what Imran says as he maybe the leader Pakistan needs. However, you can not achieve anything in Pakistan if you are not part of a government or a ruling coalition. Even then you would be marginalize or cornered. Imran is talking about changing the system in the same manner as You or a friend of yours is talking about changing the corrupt system.

What has MQM as a coalition partner achieved in last 20 years.

they have failed to get local gov't system.

they have failed to get more provinces in pakistan.

they have failed to cut defense spending.

they have failed to stop target killing along with ANP.

They have helped reduced education budget.

They have helped reduced water and electricity budget.

[aqeelPK]

sheikh rasheed because he talks about common man.
+1

[Strike!]

Someone is talking sense here. The real question is if Imran is ever going to get a chance? He is enough popular to win his own seat from Mianwali and that would be it. He has to make alliances rather then making enemies.

I agree with what Imran says as he maybe the leader Pakistan needs. However, you can not achieve anything in Pakistan if you are not part of a government or a ruling coalition. Even then you would be marginalize or cornered. Imran is talking about changing the system in the same manner as You or a friend of yours is talking about changing the corrupt system.

So basically your logic amounts to 'Imran Khan will never be elected so why bother voting for him?'

[saqlain]

What has MQM as a coalition partner achieved in last 20 years.

they have failed to get local gov't system.

they have failed to get more provinces in pakistan.

they have failed to cut defense spending.

they have failed to stop target killing along with ANP.

They have helped reduced education budget.

They have helped reduced water and electricity budget.

May I ask where you get all political knowledge or information on Pakistani politics?

After reading what you typed I don't think anyone can take you seriously as you have no clue what is going on or what had happened in the past 8 years in Pakistan.

Ask this question to yourself first, how can a politcal party with little over 20 seats in the Parliament will do bring local body government, cut defense bill, increase education budget, increase water and power budget???

Again, a party with 20 + seats is not able to achieve some of the problems and you are expecting a party with no seat in the parliament to do all this???

[saqlain]

So basically your logic amounts to 'Imran Khan will never be elected so why bother voting for him?'

That is not what I am implying. My arguement is when you are not present in the political system or have no nomination in the parliament, the chances for you to bring anything meaningful is very difficult. What Imran says, on most issues, makes sense but as a lone voice in a corrupt system is not going to change anything. He needs to work along with other parties and get on-board first.

[jaspa888]

Imran, but only because all the others are ****.

However, its very easy to be idealistic when you weald no power. Unfortunately, pragmatism and reality sets in when the power is eventually gained, and you have to compromise your priciples.

Imran talks a good game on the sidelines. Given power, I fear he will have to compromise his beliefs in order to head up any coalition government.

[waqar_ahmad]

MQM is always in the coalition govt, at least in Sindh. If they are so different from other parties, why dont they sit in the opposition, and wait until they can form their own govt.

MQm supported a dictator throughout his 8 yr reign.

A different party my ***

[hasanmehmoodkhan]

lol hahahahahha was the one person who voted for zardari joking?. lol hahahha all altaf is jokes has good speeches have to admit
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV-XA17Qq6I&feature=related



maybe his dumb easy to understand speech appeals to the uneducated people of karachi

[hasanmehmoodkhan]

I also voted for the great Imran khan. though I admit I dont agree with some of his policies. I have to give him my vote because the rest of the leaders are chors and dakoos and ghundas(altaf bhai). lol that even sounds like a ghunda name no wonder his followers call him altaf bhai

[Mohsin]

What has MQM as a coalition partner achieved in last 20 years.

they have failed to get local gov't system.

they have failed to get more provinces in pakistan.

they have failed to cut defense spending.

they have failed to stop target killing along with ANP.

They have helped reduced education budget.

They have helped reduced water and electricity budget.

Dont forget practically promoting 'Subayyat and Lesaaniat'

[PakPassionate]

Great Player, great Human and Now great Leader. HATS OFF TO YOU.....KEEP IT UP!!

[cric_crazy]

Apparently he is against waderas/feudals/Chaudharies but he never fails to get in bed with them after every election.

lol........u r funny, its yr waderas and feudal lords who come up to 9 0 and beg MQM to support them in govt..........get yr facts right before uttering garbage.......

[cric_crazy]

Imran Khan hasn't been in gov't for last 20 years and still is running a cancer hospital, a university and now has raised over 600 million Rs for Flood victims.

That's the change you could believe in.

and mustafa kamal and other mayors from MQM have done work that nobody could do in pakistan in 60 yrs.............

[Mohsin]

lol........u r funny, its yr waderas and feudal lords who come up to 9 0 and beg MQM to support them in govt..........get yr facts right before uttering garbage.......

:))) Wow amazing arguments...do they bring guns with also (im assuming MQM are forced to join...)

[cric_crazy]

When has imran been given a chance to change things exactly?

and when has MQM been in power in Fed govt that u can expect them to bring major changes........The only power and fund they had during Musharraf' s era was in local govt.......and everybody who visited karachi or other major cities in sindh will tell u the changes MQM have brought in those areas........

[saqlain]

MQM is always in the coalition govt, at least in Sindh. If they are so different from other parties, why dont they sit in the opposition, and wait until they can form their own govt.

MQm supported a dictator throughout his 8 yr reign.

A different party my ***

It is amazing to see the kind of posts with absolutely no thought or rationale. Every political part which participates in election wants to rule. Nobody wants to sit in the opposition unless the must have to. MQM secured 50 + seats which were not enough to form government in Sindh. However, PPP had majority seats and they had formed the government on their own without any coalition. Keep in mind, Karachi and Hyderabad, two main or big cities in Sindh, are completely favor MQM. For that reason PPP asked MQM to join them in Sindh, as it was not at the request of MQM but the other way around.

Now to your points. If you just sit in the opposition in a country like Pakistan, you will never ever get to do any concrete work for your constituency. These are not British MPs or Congressmen from US who will get a fair share for their states or counties. In Pakistan if you are in power, only then you would be getting development projects for your area, it is that simple. If you have been to Karachi in the last 5 years or you speak to someone from there, I am sure, you will be given a a good account of how good is the development in Karachi and Hyderabad in the past few years.

MQM has supported President Musharraf and they accept it and it was for the right purpose. No denying in that. Where you think Nawaz Sharif started his politics? He started off with General Zia. Bhutto himself was a cabinet minister of General Ayub for 7 years before he started PPP. Imran Khan supported the referendem and other bills of General Musharraf during 2003 and 2004. Check the facts. My friend no one is clean in Pakistan.

All political parties have their needs and then work according to their big plans. It makes perfect sense for MQM to stay in the ruling coalition and serve their people. If others are not getting the same chances or not asked to join any coalition you can not blame that on one party.

[Fizza]

Imran Khan

[saqlain]

:))) Wow amazing arguments...do they bring guns with also (im assuming MQM are forced to join...)

And what is your arguement here? These are political parties and they all serve their own objectives along poltical lines. If MQM believes that going with PPP or PMLN or a dictator is goin to serve the public interest they will join the coalition and they have rightfully done in the past. A politcal party with over 90% seats in Karachi and Hyderabad has its say. As oppose to someone who can't really secure his own seat.

I am not against Imran, he is a fantastic person and I hope he will get to elect in the future. The arguement you are stating on behalf of his party are not very convincing. Be more intellectual and talk with facts.

[saqlain]

I also voted for the great Imran khan. though I admit I dont agree with some of his policies. I have to give him my vote because the rest of the leaders are chors and dakoos and ghundas(altaf bhai). lol that even sounds like a ghunda name no wonder his followers call him altaf bhai

You live in a free country and you are allowed to call anyone whatever they want. I am glad that you voted for Imran Khan. All the leaders in mainstream politcal parties are all patriotic folks and they want to serve their country and people in their own ways. Approaches may differ but the end goal is the same for everyone. Calling someone "ghunda" may sound funny to you or the circle of people you live in but in most civilized societies people do not refer to the heads of parties with such terms.

You just have showed the class that you are in.

[insaftak]

Dont forget practically promoting 'Subayyat and Lesaaniat'

I could careless about promotion of Subayyat and Lessaaniat if people of a particular Subha or Lesaaniat were getting to live a decent life.

[insaftak]

May I ask where you get all political knowledge or information on Pakistani politics?

After reading what you typed I don't think anyone can take you seriously as you have no clue what is going on or what had happened in the past 8 years in Pakistan.

Ask this question to yourself first, how can a politcal party with little over 20 seats in the Parliament will do bring local body government, cut defense bill, increase education budget, increase water and power budget???

Again, a party with 20 + seats is not able to achieve some of the problems and you are expecting a party with no seat in the parliament to do all this???

No gov't could survive without MQM. Even if MQM decided to stick to its point every fourth year we might have gotten more provinces, LGs, higher education and healthcare budget. But apparently its too hard to take a stand even every four years.

[insaftak]

and when has MQM been in power in Fed govt that u can expect them to bring major changes........The only power and fund they had during Musharraf' s era was in local govt.......and everybody who visited karachi or other major cities in sindh will tell u the changes MQM have brought in those areas........

I think You have been sleeping for last 20 years. MQM has been part of gov't for last 20 years brother. 20+ seats are enough to put pressure on gov't to do the right thing.

[saqlain]

No gov't could survive without MQM. Even if MQM decided to stick to its point every fourth year we might have gotten more provinces, LGs, higher education and healthcare budget. But apparently its too hard to take a stand even every four years.

What you are saying is that only because of MQM Pakistan has not formed more provinces? And the local governments (LG), higher cuts in education and healthcare are not also because of MQM in Pakistan?

I thought you are a sound guy who is educated and talks common sense. You can tell this to anyone and no one is going to buy it from you. You are putting a blame for these serious problems to a party which is only in Karachi and Hyderabad and has not more than 25 members in the assembly of 345. If I was you I wouldnt be making preposterous statements on this forums.

[kasoo10]

I think You have been sleeping for last 20 years. MQM has been part of gov't for last 20 years brother. 20+ seats are enough to put pressure on gov't to do the right thing.

For exactly that reason MQM has been in and out of the government before Musharraf. I think you forgot 6 years of Army Operation in Karachi against MQM.

[Waseem]

You live in a free country and you are allowed to call anyone whatever they want. I am glad that you voted for Imran Khan. All the leaders in mainstream politcal parties are all patriotic folks and they want to serve their country and people in their own ways. Approaches may differ but the end goal is the same for everyone. Calling someone "ghunda" may sound funny to you or the circle of people you live in but in most civilized societies people do not refer to the heads of parties with such terms.

You just have showed the class that you are in.

Saqlain, you do sound like a decent person but ignorant at the same time.
Everyone in the whole worlds knows Altaf Hussain is a terrorist ( i wish he was only a ghunda). My knowledge about MQM is PURELY gained from discussions with friends from Karachi (Sindhis and Muhajirs). I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that calling Altaf just "ghunda" is probably the nicest thing you can say to people like him. I don't know the reason of your love/respect for him but he definitely does not deserve that at all.

[Prince_Pathan]

haha :))) imran leading the way...because hes an honest man who loves his country

AND IS THE ONLY GUY WHO WILL BRING STABILITY TO IT

[insaftak]

What you are saying is that only because of MQM Pakistan has not formed more provinces? And the local governments (LG), higher cuts in education and healthcare are not also because of MQM in Pakistan?

I thought you are a sound guy who is educated and talks common sense. You can tell this to anyone and no one is going to buy it from you. You are putting a blame for these serious problems to a party which is only in Karachi and Hyderabad and has not more than 25 members in the assembly of 345. If I was you I wouldnt be making preposterous statements on this forums.

PML and PPP don't claim that their parties are revolutionary. Even today MQM is calling for army takeover but aren't willing to leave the gov't.

They are happy with Status quo.

[saqlain]

Saqlain, you do sound like a decent person but ignorant at the same time.
Everyone in the whole worlds knows Altaf Hussain is a terrorist ( i wish he was only a ghunda). My knowledge about MQM is PURELY gained from discussions with friends from Karachi (Sindhis and Muhajirs). I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that calling Altaf just "ghunda" is probably the nicest thing you can say to people like him. I don't know the reason of your love/respect for him but he definitely does not deserve that at all.

Obviously you have not lived in Karachi or Hyderabad and your knowledge about MQM, according to you, is based on what you have heard and listened to others. There is no doubt, and I would be lying if I don't accept it, that MQM of the 90s was a different political party. They have used tactics which I couldn't describe here as it would embarass everyone. However, the MQM after 2002 has emerged as a completely different political outfit which has a different vision. Orginally MQM's purpose was to protect the interests of Urdu-Speaking public in Karachi and Hyderabad but now the vision has changed. Read profiles of MQM's MNAs and MPA's and I can guarantee you would not find such talented and educated men and women in other parties. They are all from middle class and have spend a good time in local politics at grass-root level. We do not have to look at someone's past all the time as what would and should matter is what is going on at this time. MQM has raised voice and slogans against feudalism, against militancy and terrorism, two most important issues facing Pakistan at the moment. Only party which gives election ticket based on the work done at the lower level rather than how much money one can give to the bosses in the party. Everything that I am typing here can be independently verfied if you talk or speak to the right people. But if you already made-up your mind that MQM is a terrorist party then no matter what I say or others say would make any difference. You do not have to agree with me on anything, neither I am expecting, but at least for your own sake you should check the facts. Go the MQM's websites, talk to someone who is currently in Karachi and ask them what MQM has done in the past 10 years.

I would not call anyone a "ghunda" unless I can not find any other words to describe one's actions. The way I see it I don't see Altaf Hussain doing anything which resembles his actions to the word "goon". That is my position and I will stick to it. There are people in this world who think all Muslims are terrorist and you and I know that is not true. So it doesnt mean that what we know or perceive everyone adheres to that same rule.

[saqlain]

PML and PPP don't claim that their parties are revolutionary. Even today MQM is calling for army takeover but aren't willing to leave the gov't.

They are happy with Status quo.

If you see carefully above, I am continously replying to most of your posts with valid arguements and all I see is you take a news out of context and keep rubbing it in. Again, if these are the instructions given to you, then its fine. MQM has never ever claimed that they are a revolutionary party. Every political party's goal is to do something for the betterment of hte people or the constituency they are more popular in. All MQM is saying that with the current politcal situation and the anarchy that is spreading in the country, it would need a major revolution to clean everything. MQM's leader has used the term "revolution" but it should be taken in the right contenxt. This is not 1857 where people will stand up against the rulers. A revolution can come via ballot or in a democratic way. Even Imran Khan, someone I very much respect, is in complete favor of such a step. I don't understand why you are tyring to put a spin on eveyrthing that you read.

[UmarAkmals-fan]

i never knew bilwal butto was a member of PP lol...he voted for his dad

[FastBowler]

wah insaftak chaa gaya

nd haan jo jo acha kaam kiya hai mqm ne ye na bhul ke pehle altaf hi tha jisne karachi ko jahannum banaya

[ehjaz]

what kind of poll is this..............kidding...yeah.......> sheriff sahib, bimari, and fulltime comedian sahib do not even belong to "trust and credibility" category....I can bet they dont even know how to spell these words let alone being part of this elite club.................................>painful joke

[Waseem]

Obviously you have not lived in Karachi or Hyderabad and your knowledge about MQM, according to you, is based on what you have heard and listened to others. There is no doubt, and I would be lying if I don't accept it, that MQM of the 90s was a different political party. They have used tactics which I couldn't describe here as it would embarass everyone. However, the MQM after 2002 has emerged as a completely different political outfit which has a different vision. Orginally MQM's purpose was to protect the interests of Urdu-Speaking public in Karachi and Hyderabad but now the vision has changed. Read profiles of MQM's MNAs and MPA's and I can guarantee you would not find such talented and educated men and women in other parties. They are all from middle class and have spend a good time in local politics at grass-root level. We do not have to look at someone's past all the time as what would and should matter is what is going on at this time. MQM has raised voice and slogans against feudalism, against militancy and terrorism, two most important issues facing Pakistan at the moment. Only party which gives election ticket based on the work done at the lower level rather than how much money one can give to the bosses in the party. Everything that I am typing here can be independently verfied if you talk or speak to the right people. But if you already made-up your mind that MQM is a terrorist party then no matter what I say or others say would make any difference. You do not have to agree with me on anything, neither I am expecting, but at least for your own sake you should check the facts. Go the MQM's websites, talk to someone who is currently in Karachi and ask them what MQM has done in the past 10 years.

I would not call anyone a "ghunda" unless I can not find any other words to describe one's actions. The way I see it I don't see Altaf Hussain doing anything which resembles his actions to the word "goon". That is my position and I will stick to it. There are people in this world who think all Muslims are terrorist and you and I know that is not true. So it doesnt mean that what we know or perceive everyone adheres to that same rule.

Saqlain, my views are based on personal experiences of my friends so it's not that i am blindly accusing MQM of being a terrorist party. I have heard good things about Mustafa Kamal and i would support anyone who has done something positive for Pakistan.
As for your comment about educated people, no doubt there are a lot of educated people in Karachi but if this is what we can expect from educated people then i think we are better off with JAAHILS.

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[saqlain]

Saqlain, my views are based on personal experiences of my friends so it's not that i am blindly accusing MQM of being a terrorist party. I have heard good things about Mustafa Kamal and i would support anyone who has done something positive for Pakistan.
As for your comment about educated people, no doubt there are a lot of educated people in Karachi but if this is what we can expect from educated people then i think we are better off with JAAHILS.

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I am not sure if that one video will change anyone's entire opinion about a person or a party. I think it should be taken in a lighter way and nothing serious. The fact is that MQM is working diligiently to change the perception of people in the entire country.