PCB Patron's XI vs England XI (Day 2 thread)

[Raz]

Day 1 summary

England 256-9 after 74 overs

Trescothick 124*
Loudon 3*

Yasir Arafat 4-45
Najaf Shah 3-58

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/misc/3/misc3916.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/fds/hi/statistics/cricket/scorecards/2005/10/12286/html/scorecard.stm

[Awesome Anjum]

Anyone got a score update yet ?

[Shayan_Sohail]

LATE, their is already a thread on this.

[Awesome Anjum]

dammit ! lol

[Raz]

No score update as of yet.

[saeed-sohail]

patrons 3/0 zaidi 3*

[Raz]

patrons 3/0 zaidi 3*

How many did England make?

[saeed-sohail]

Anderson goes for 13 in his 1st over patrons 16/0 after two overs.

[Monsee]

Engl;and declared at the over night score of 256/9 I beleive

Anderson just got pasted for 13 runs in his first over :D

[Raz]

Where are you getting this from?

[saeed-sohail]

How many did England make?256/9 dec

[Raz]

256/9 dec

Thanks

[saeed-sohail]

Where are you getting this from?Bbc sport website

[saeed-sohail]

Patrons have a good batting line up with Arafat at no 8.Now is the time for our fringe player to step up and make 400+ to put pressure on eng attack minus Flintoff and Harmison.

[Monsee]

Ashar gone off Anderson, caught by Vaughan

[Toony™®]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/fds/hi/statistics/cricket/scorecards/2005/10/12286/html/scorecard.stm

just saw this 2nd thread!

[saeed-sohail]

Now we have two batsmen in who could play in 3rd test.

[Toony™®]

gone for 11.

[Raz]

Jimmy strikes, after getting pasted in his first over.

[Toony™®]

maiden by hoggard.

[Toony™®]

Bazid Khan gone. Caught behind off Anderson for 2.

Pakistan tormentor strikes.

[saeed-sohail]

It does not look good bazid gone 22/2

[Raz]

Oh dear!

[saeed-sohail]

Zaidi played a bad shot getting caught at mid on on this pitch is criminal.

[Toony™®]

another maiden for Hoggard.

[Raz]

Yasir needs to get a big one now.

[Toony™®]

Zaidi played a bad shot getting caught at mid on on this pitch is criminal.

U watching it? Or U making asuumptions?

[Jive Jive Pakistan]

yasir needs this innings

coz his spot his now in competition with the openers and there is a space in the team

[saeed-sohail]

U watching it? Or U making asuumptions?They said it on 5live report.

[Jive Jive Pakistan]

btw its a 2 innings contest or 4

[Raz]

9 runs from Anderson's next over 31-2

[Toony™®]

31 for 2 (8.0 overs)

cheers Saeed.

[Toony™®]

37 for 2 (9.0 overs)

[Toony™®]

btw its a 2 innings contest or 4

4 day match - 2 innings each. :9:

[Toony™®]

37 for 2 (10.0 overs)

[Raz]

Maiden from Anderson.

[Jive Jive Pakistan]

4 day match - 2 innings each. :9:

my bad its a 3day match


i thought it wazs 2 so thought it was an innings each

[saeed-sohail]

Maiden from Anderson.Now that is a surprise.

[Jive Jive Pakistan]

41-2 afta 11

goin along at a decnt rate

[Raz]

Yasir looking good 19 from 26 with 4 boundaries.

[saeed-sohail]

Two maidens in a row.41/2

[Toony™®]

41 for 2 (12.0 overs)

[Raz]

Misbah gone. Plunkett strikes in his first over

49-3 now

[Big Mac]

49/3

Plunkett has Misbah caught behind

[Raz]

Yasir unbeaten on 26 from 32 balls with 5 boundaries. Kamal needs to do something special now.

[saeed-sohail]

Hope it does not become 60/6 but good thing is our tress is still there and our test teams middle order is not playing here.

[saeed-sohail]

Yasir unbeaten on 26 from 32 balls with 5 boundaries. Kamal needs to do something special now.This looks more like Pak batting with kamal and yasir batting togather.

[Raz]

This looks more like Pak batting with kamal and yasir batting togather.

Indeed. Here the Patrons have two batsmen with international experience and a lot will depend on how they do here. This is perfect for Asim to score some runs and get himself into some form.

[Raz]

As for Yasir he also has a lot to prove.

[Toony™®]

49 for 3 (13.0 overs)

[Raz]

61-4, Yasir goes after playing so well. Anderson with 3 wickets so far.

[Raz]

Hameed c G O Jones b J M Anderson, i dont even want to try and guess what Hameed was doing when he got out.

[saeed-sohail]

Derek Pringle writes for telegraph that tress and vaughan were lucky to survive lbw appeals against Shah and he writes abt straus,s weakness against left arm quicks.With Najaf bowling well and Samiullah of Sialkot in top form we should pick one of these in squad for 1st test.

[Big Mac]

Hameed gets off to a good start before being caught behind. Never saw that coming...

[Raz]

Derek Pringle writes for telegraph that tress and vaughan were lucky to survive lbw appeals against Shah and he writes abt straus,s weakness against left arm quicks.With Najaf bowling well and Samiullah of Sialkot in top form we should pick one of these in squad for 1st test.

Samiullah plays for Faisalabad and why do we need anyone else when we have superman Mo Khalil?

[Toony™®]

61 for 4 (16.0 overs)

[saeed-sohail]

61-4, Yasir goes after playing so well. Anderson with 3 wickets so far.The only positive coming out of this is that jimmy might get the nod for multan and that would be our gain.

[Raz]

70-4 after 17 overs

[Big Mac]

Derek Pringle writes for telegraph that tress and vaughan were lucky to survive lbw appeals against Shah and he writes abt straus,s weakness against left arm quicks.With Najaf bowling well and Samiullah of Sialkot in top form we should pick one of these in squad for 1st test.

Who do you drop? People keep name dropping players they want to see picked for the team without thinking about who should make way or the balance of the side.

Sometime I wonder if people realise that you can only have 11 players in a test side

[Raz]

The only positive coming out of this is that jimmy might get the nod for multan and that would be our gain.

Well if hes got a good rhythm going then it wont be good news.

[saeed-sohail]

Samiullah plays for Faisalabad and why do we need anyone else when we have superman Mo Khalil?My bad you know its early morning here in UK so got mixed up with Sialkot and Faiselabad and dont even mention Khal please.

[Raz]

My bad you know its early morning here in UK so got mixed up with Sialkot and Faiselabad and dont even mention Khal please.

:)))

[Big Mac]

Anderson's wide half-volleys are going to be transformed into deadly wicket taking deliveries by our batsmen

[saeed-sohail]

Who do you drop? People keep name dropping players they want to see picked for the team without thinking about who should make way or the balance of the side.

Sometime I wonder if people realise that you can only have 11 players in a test sideI think we dont have a cert pick among our pacers for multan atleast we could ve picked one instead of Ash or Mush.

[Raz]

77-4 after 19 overs

[Toony™®]

79 for 4 (20.0 overs)

[Big Mac]

79/5 Faisal Iqbal gone caught behind off Plunkett

[saeed-sohail]

79/6 Kamal gone lbw by mr 3-0.

[Toony™®]

80 for 6 (22.0 overs)

[Amjid Javed]

Derek Pringle writes for telegraph that tress and vaughan were lucky to survive lbw appeals against Shah and he writes abt straus,s weakness against left arm quicks.With Najaf bowling well and Samiullah of Sialkot in top form we should pick one of these in squad for 1st test.

samiullah plays for faisalabad.

[Amjid Javed]

Pat x1 101/6 at moment.

[Amjid Javed]

103/6 @ lunch.

just seen highlights on sky sports. Most of the wickets were typical throw aways all batsmen loosely driving away from the body and been caught of half-volleys.

[Daoud]

103/6 @ lunch.

just seen highlights on sky sports. Most of the wickets were typical throw aways all batsmen loosely driving away from the body and been caught of half-volleys.
How far did Yasir reach for the ball that got him out?

[jalex382]

why do you guys think that Eng dec at 256/9, is it because they wanted to use the new ball in the morning and get better results or they just thought its not worth getting more score on the board and wasting time?

[Saqib]

Can some one tell how this pitch looks like ?

Yasir Hameed & Asim Kamal playing does that means they are not going to make the first test ? Asim & Yasir have been both out form lately.

[hasanahmad]

how old is shahzad malik and is this the same player who many have called the future middle order batsman for pakistan?

[Toony™®]

116 for 7 (31.0 overs)

[hasanahmad]

116/7 at the moment

[hasanahmad]

132/7

Shehzad Malik has highest score of team with 37 off 37 balls
Yasir Arafat on 9

[Toony™®]

132 for 7 (33.0 overs)

[Billy]

8 down now according to Sky Sports News.

Jimmy seemed to settle down nicely after those 2 expensive overs first up but I'm not sure Plunk quite wanted to go for 42 off 7 overs.

[Billy]

140/8

Arafat 12
Haider 5

[Toony™®]

144 for 8 (39.0 overs)

[Toony™®]

148 for 8 (40.0 overs)

[zaf1986]

how old is shahzad malik and is this the same player who many have called the future middle order batsman for pakistan?
Hes 27 I think, and hes the same one who made like 400 off 127 balls in some league game.

[Billy]

Arafat goes to Shaggy.

152/9

[zaf1986]

Zulqarnain and Tahir are both capable with the bat, can they revive the pak innings, the way the english reivived theirs, - that is the q

[pak4life]

another poor show by asim kamal looks like he wount feature in the first test. the batsmen were caught behind driving at the swinging ball. we never learn do we!

[Billy]

Loudon bowled 2 maidens... and then went for 17 off the next 2 overs.

D'oh!

[wasoo77]

Patron's XI 203/9 (56 ov)

[wasoo77]

Patron's XI trail by 53 runs with 1 wicket remaining in the 1st innings

[wasoo77]

Zulqarnain Haider (http://live.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/43860.html) 31

Tahir Khan 30

[Billy]

Zulqarnain and Tahir are both capable with the bat, can they revive the pak innings, the way the english reivived theirs, - that is the q

You just had to say it didn't you?

[zaf1986]

You just had to say it didn't you?
Well...I am pakistani...

[Naz]

If only our players could be exposed to the full flash great english attack including harmison and flintoff. Nice to know that we have crossed 200, hopefully our team can win this match.

[Billy]

Right, we're off again.

Hurry up and get them out so that the English batsmen can bed down this evening.

[Billy]

Well done Plunk.

Patrons make 211

[KaSaNoVa_G]

is anyone showing this match?.. or even a live scorecard for the match ?

[Billy]

No one's showing it but various sites have scorecards that update after every over or so. The BBC and Cricinfo ones seem to update the most often.

[tahaqureshi]

Are the english batsmen out at the crease now?

[Billy]

England 8/0

AJ Strauss 4
MJ Prior 4

[Pathan007]

seems like 7of the Pak side batsmen got out caught behind.

[Amir]

SO we know Prior can catch and bat...shoot!

[KA$H]

strauss Gone

[Nawazb]

najaf shah does it again

[KA$H]

loudon next man in - look slike they've inverted the batting order

[Billy]

Strauss doesn't like those left armers does he?

[Daoud]

Strauss doesn't like those left armers does he?
I hope they dont pick [Edit by Mods: or even Khalil ? ] as a consequence

[Nawazb]

irshad strikes loudon gone

[DM]

Irshad TEARS Loudon out!!

Caught Wicketkeeper - Bet it was a fast one :D

[Nawazb]

irshad again gets vaughan

[Hash]

Irshad TEARS Loudon out!!

Caught Wicketkeeper - Bet it was a fast one :D

or it could be a pathetic heave from a terrible delivery that got a top edge and went straight up in the air and back down again

[Hash]

WOO HOOOO

go Irshad!!!

[KaSaNoVa_G]

23/3....

good to see vaughan and Strauss not make some runs before they play us.

[DM]

Mohammad Irshad on fire! :-D

Loudon - Ct Wkeeper
Vaughan - lbw

[Lightning]

Irshad getting two quick ones....literally.

[deviously~fading~away]

Hope woolmer is seeing strauss weakness against lefties

[Nawazb]

33-3 latest score

[Lightning]

Prior gone too! Irshad on song!

[DM]

ANDOTHER ONE FOR IRSHAD, ANOTHER ONE FOR IRSHAD 38-4

pure pace!!

[Hash]

33 for 4!

Irshad saab ko kya hogya hai!

Come on Mo!

[Hash]

ANDOTHER ONE FOR IRSHAD, ANOTHER ONE FOR IRSHAD 38-4

pure pace!!

are you watching it? How do you know about the pace?

The figures seem good but you cannot really comment on his bowling until you have seen the wickets. For all you know they could all be slashing at short and wide deliveries or top edges.

Whatever happens.......well done to Irshad. Any spell which gets 3 wickets like this is a great spell!

[DM]

are you watching it? How do you know about the pace?
I've no idea whatsoever, it's just a wild and hopeful assumption :D

[DM]

Anyway, Sky news will certainly show this later so anyone who has it, make sure you watch it !

[Nawazb]

Yasir Arafat Strikes Twice

[Nawazb]

Both Bowled He Has Got Rid Of Pieterson And Jones

[Hash]

I've no idea whatsoever, it's just a wild and hopeful assumption :D

:D We might as well assume that the ball that got Vaughan was a 97mph Waqar style banana inswinging yorker!:O

[DM]

England on the ropes!

38-6 - Now Arafat takes 2 in quick succession!

[DM]

:D We might as well assume that the ball that got Vaughan was a 97mph Waqar style banana inswinging yorker!:OWe'll find out wont we :D

[Baron]

Good to see Irshad get in the wickets but we shouldnt get carried away and ask for his selection. Its only a practice match and they're probably not taking it too seriously. After all, he didnt get any wickets in the first innings when the ball was moving..............

[DM]

Well i'd include him and Yasir Ali immediately (if they are both 150kph bowlers) but that's just me and will not realistically happen

[TaZ]

Yasir is awesome!

[Baron]

Wowsers, they appear to be getting a roasting out there !!!!!! :)) Im very pleased to see Yasir doing well with the ball, lets just hope he gets pushed up the order and get some runs too!!!Lets all hope Misbah kills the game off and not bring on any stupid part-timers!!!!! Just imagine the shame of losing against a patrons 11 and not even a full A team!!!

[Hash]

39 for 6 at close

[w4s1m786]

England 2nd innings R M B 4 6
AJ Strauss c Bazid Khan b Najaf Shah 6 21 18 0 0
MJ Prior c Yasir Arafat b Mohammad Irshad 16 37 27 3 0
AGR Loudon c Zulqarnain Haider b Mohammad Irshad 1 6 7 0 0
*MP Vaughan lbw b Mohammad Irshad 0 4 5 0 0
KP Pietersen b Yasir Arafat 10 23 17 1 0
PD Collingwood not out 1 0 4 0 0
+GO Jones b Yasir Arafat 0 2 3 0 0
IR Bell not out 0 0 4 0 0
Extras (b 1, lb 4) 5
Total (6 wickets, 14 overs) 39

[tahaqureshi]

Will the highlights be up anywhere?

[Lightning]

Damn I think this attack is better than the actual pak attack.
You've got 2 quicks in Yasir Ali and Irshad, a good left armer in Najaf Shah, and to round it off a bowling allrounder of high quality in Yasir Arafat. Man...future looks bright. BTW what are the ages of all these bowlers?

PS, someone should record the higlights and upload them. Please!:D

[DM]

A day of Annihilation

[Raz]

WOW! 39-6! What a performance from Mohammad Irshad!

[Mercenary]

Arafat has now taken 6 wickets all bowled, that's right he's bowled all of his victims so far. Looks like Aaqib knew what he was talking about!

[AT1]

Arafat has now taken 6 wickets all bowled, that's right he's bowled all of his victims so far. Looks like Aaqib knew what he was talking about!

what did he say?

[Lightning]

Something along the lines that Arafat was the closest to a finished product from this roster of bowlers. He also might have thought he was quickest of the lot, if I remember 88 mph +

[tahaqureshi]

Arafat has now taken 6 wickets all bowled, that's right he's bowled all of his victims so far. Looks like Aaqib knew what he was talking about!

But still no match for me :D

[DM]

Damn I think this attack is better than the actual pak attack.
I know what you mean, I can't imagine us ever having England at 39-6 in the tests! But let's see....

[TaZ]

I say we definitely play Yasir in the ODI series at least especially if Razzaq is injured

[Lightning]

I mean seriously. Shoaib is awesome, know denying that. But for whatever reason, our bowlers lack the concept of creating pressure. Even on a good wicket they will pour many runs before taking wickets. But then again when you have the likes of Sami, that's bound to happen. I like Sami but with bowlers like Irshad, Ali and even a left armer in Shah, who swing the ball around, is Sami really worth the investment? Lets hope Sami does it this time, or even as an ardant fan, I beleive it's time to move on.

I know it's only a practice match but still...

And I agree Arafat should be given a chance in upcoming one-dayers especially if injuries occur to a certain allrounder..

[Baron]

Yasir is pretty beefy and by the looks of his figures, possesses a nice turn of pace. Though he'll have to do something amazing to knock the RAZZAK from the number 1 all-rounder position.

[tahaqureshi]

THREE wickets fell at the same score!!!!!!

[tahaqureshi]

But the main thing is, tresco hasn't played in the second innings so far..and 4 more wickets left.

[w4s1m786]

thats some achievment by yasir to have 6 clean bowled

[Lightning]

Arafat is seemingly more of a bowling allrounder while razzaq has developed into a batting one. Hmmm....on some tracks it might be worth playing Arafat as bowling allrounder along with Shoaib, Shabir, Rana...in the future if he continues his development.

[Master-P]

I say get rid of sami, this has shown the talent we got which is not being used becuase of sami pakistan are better off with out him.

[Lightning]

Selectors take note! England struggling against a 4 prong pace attack. This is what I've always believed, no matter what the attack...always pick your best bowlers! Create good, sporting tracks and just concentrate on playing better! Damnit, don't focus so much on kind of pitches, etc. In turn, our 4 best bowlers should be Shoaib, Shabbir, Rana/Sami, Kaneria. No mushtaq just for the sake of having more spin!

[MIG]

Fletcher to team: Thats it lads - pack up and lets go home
Harmisson: Yippeee ( home sweet home ....)
Hoggard: Wooohooo - no more pot noodles for me.....

[Monsee]

I just saw some clips of the first innings...Najaf looked quite sharp, although he has kinda similar bowling style to Khalil :O

His dismissal of Straus in the first innings was any bowler's dream...Straus leaves the delivery, it comes in, and crashed in to his stumps :91:

Zoni is definitely putting pressure on Akmal...he seems to always score when his team is in trouble. Just check his batting in any of the last 5-10 games, he always comes in the middle of a batting collapse of sorts and then steadies the ship, scores at least 30-50 runs, and in most cases remains NO :14:

Yasir Arafat is skiddy and swings the ball well...don't know what will happen if the the conditions are not conducive to swing though

Irshad and Yasir Ali both have powerfull actions and both explode at the crease...I just saw them again after like 8 months or so. I almost forgot what their actions looked like

[Lightning]

Who looked the quickest of the lot?
I know, there was a bit of grass on the pindi pitch, so not sure how they'll go on flatter tracks. But anyway, wasn't there a time where Pak use to create greentops when India used to tour in the imran days?

[the Great Khan]

yasir arafat looks very deceptive..seems to be alot more nippier than his action etc would seem..i bet thats whats fooling the english(other than him using his brain unlike other bowlers out there)..as for najaf he looked good too but both him and irshad were a bit wayward later on...so i dont know..plus flintoff isnt playing and even in the ashes he helped england along so we should be tempered in our praise for the young guns!..inshallah i reckon we'll see these guys playing for pak very soon!!

[Monsee]

Who looked the quickest of the lot?
I know, there was a bit of grass on the pindi pitch, so not sure how they'll go on flatter tracks. But anyway, wasn't there a time where Pak use to create greentops when India used to tour in the imran days?



Didn't see enough of the bowlers to judge who looked quickest...camera angle and work was poor too!

if I am not mistaken, Najaf clearly looked like bowling in 82-84 MPH range cause he was making the batsman hurry and jump

The quickest has to be Yasir Ali cause that has been my impression since seeing him and Irshad play against each other in a 4 day game in Pakistan, earlier this year. Yasir Arafat looked skiddy too but most of his dimissals were kinda like swinging yorkers length balls...hard to judge speed on those!

In Imran's days, we used to have green pitches in only Lahore and Peshawar...rest were mostly flat pitches with some assistance for pacers in the early morning and right after tea time...it was just that Imran was so good that he blew them Indians on any kind of pitches :19:

[Lightning]

Thanks Monsee. Seeming that you've seen Ali and Irshad in the 4 day match before, do they seem to bowl more inteligently than someone like Sami? Do they move the ball around, etc? I know they've got the pace to trouble batsman.

[Monsee]

Thanks Monsee. Seeming that you've seen Ali and Irshad in the 4 day match before, do they seem to bowl more inteligently than someone like Sami? Do they move the ball around, etc? I know they've got the pace to trouble batsman.


Again, let me say that I have only seen them bowl in a couple of games...so don't believe 100% of what I say but surely the truth is some where in there too

Yasir looked more disciplined, better built of the two cause he is taller and when he fills up with age, he will be really built like a young Ian Bishop (i.e. if he works on his fitness from here on), he swung the ball at quite serious pace, and his line-n-length was much better

Irshad is built well for his height but I thought he could become better if he tightened his stomach area which kinda looked pudgy (a la Shoaiby these days), he had just decreased his run up a bit as per advice of Sadiq Mohammed (ext-Test Opener and Multan team's coach now), he had a very powerful approach to the wicket and was building speed towards the end but when I saw him he wasn't looking like the finished product.

Since then he has bowled well in almost in every game that he has been part of so something is going right for him. Maybe he has finally become comfortable with his shorter run up and has worked on his fitness. He swung the ball but I don't have too much recollection of how well he did that

[Lightning]

Thanks for the insight.

[Waseem]

Yasir Arafat's performance has surprised me, i saw him bowl against Australia A and he looked nothing special. He has short runup, bowls at Razzaq's pace but YES, he got some swing but didn't think he can be that effective. It's not that he has achieved something extraordinary, this track was tailor made for such bowlers but what's impressive is that all six of his wickets were BOWLED. That's impressive indeed!!!!!!

I always knew Najaf is a good bowler, he is one of those bowlers who looks so dangerous in one over but bowls RUBBISH in the next. But then most of the young and talented bowlers have similar problems. It's upto them how much they wanna improve with practice and training.

Irshad also either destroys the opposition or goes wicketless.

[DM]

Again, let me say that I have only seen them bowl in a couple of games...so don't believe 100% of what I say but surely the truth is some where in there too

Yasir looked more disciplined, better built of the two cause he is taller and when he fills up with age, he will be really built like a young Ian Bishop (i.e. if he works on his fitness from here on), he swung the ball at quite serious pace, and his line-n-length was much better

Irshad is built well for his height but I thought he could become better if he tightened his stomach area which kinda looked pudgy (a la Shoaiby these days), he had just decreased his run up a bit as per advice of Sadiq Mohammed (ext-Test Opener and Multan team's coach now), he had a very powerful approach to the wicket and was building speed towards the end but when I saw him he wasn't looking like the finished product.

Since then he has bowled well in almost in every game that he has been part of so something is going right for him. Maybe he has finally become comfortable with his shorter run up and has worked on his fitness. He swung the ball but I don't have too much recollection of how well he did thatInteresting report, I wonder if either Irshad or Yasir Ali have been timed recently after refining their actions

[tahaqureshi]

Maybe if wasim bari wasnt selector...one of Yasir Ali, M Irshad and Yasir Arafat qould surely be in the squad.

[ZM]

gwaaaaaaan pakiz, i jus checked the score as i in school,
39-6 lmaooooooooooo

[HAFRIDI]

wow what a performance, well done irshaad and yasiR!!!

[MIG]

As usual its the batsman who need to prove themselves now!! Cmon Pak batsman - win this for Pakistan !!!

[Muddaser]

And well played Zulqarnain for his 34 not out.

Again the only Pakistani batsmen who looked comfortable out there.

[kas]

And well played Zulqarnain for his 34 not out.

Again the only Pakistani batsmen who looked comfortable out there.

did u watch the match? how do u know he looked comfortabe? are u just assuming he looked comfortable cos he made 34 not out

[Muddaser]

did u watch the match? how do u know he looked comfortabe? are u just assuming he looked comfortable cos he made 34 not out

I'm assuming cause I have seen him do it many times. Forget the runs, he faced 90 deliveries.

The guy has a better technique than most our specialist batsmen.

[kas]

I'm assuming cause I have seen him do it many times.

The guy has a better technique than most our specialist batsmen.

do u think he can challenge akmal?

[Amir_rulez]

Zulqarnain is proly a better option than Adnan Akmal and Humayun Farhat in absence of Kamran Akmal.

[Muddaser]

do u think he can challenge akmal?

Akmal is the better keeper but Zunlqarnains keeping is very good too.

Zulqarnain is the better batsmen but Akmal is also very good too.

[Muddaser]

Zulqarnain is proly a better option than Adnan Akmal and Humayun Farhat in absence of Kamran Akmal.

Well he is the only option.

Go check the players on central contracts and retainer contracts.

That will tell you clearly which players are next in line.

[Monsee]

do u think he can challenge akmal?


I personally think that had Akmal not improved his glove work and batting, in the last year or so..Zoni would have gotten in the team in place of Akmal!

This kid is just that good. His keeping is just about as good as Kamran's, maybe a bit less at the moment but with FC experience he will become even better

His batting is as Muddaser said "Better than most of our proper batsmen"...when he bats, it's this calmness of approach, time to play the shot, playing each ball on the merit, and always playing valuable innings under pressure, that reminds me of a younger Inzi.

By no stretch, I am saying he is as good as Inzi in batting, but his calm and composed style is reminiscent of a younger Inzi:)

[Amir_rulez]

"he is the only option",
"Better than most of our proper batsmen",
"playing each ball on the merit, and always playing valuable innings under pressure"
....
bottomline: Is he playing in the first test or not? Is K.Akmal injured for real or was that just a rumor? ........Noddy bhai?

[Hydro]

does any one know if bob was watching this match so he could see the talent of the reserve bowlers himself

[Hash]

Bob was definitely there on day 1. I saw him on sky sports news talking to duncan fletcher.

[immubhai]

Akmal is for sure injured. I have seen the highlights myself. He was bowled a very fast yorker of Shoaib. The bowl was too good and they had to take Akmal out while holding him on arms. Akmal had his shoe off and he was escorted with the physio. I have seen Zoni batting yesterday and i must say, Zoni is a very hot contender for the place.. I was just wondering how come he was not sent up in the batting order. He looked like a complete batsman and i am of Monsee's opinion regarding Zoni's batting.

[Amir_rulez]

Well, ok. Zoni is in then.

[immubhai]

Najaf Shah's bowling action and speed has reminded of young Wasim Akram. I really have no clue why they had taken Khalil with to Austrailia? or why Woolmer cant spot the talent in Najaf shah? Yasir Arafat ......Mohammad Irshad......i dont know, personally i like more Yasir Ali. I tell you guys, this bloke is going to be our next Waqar younus. He is fast ( probably the fin the 85-88 zone) and right on target. He was bowling on the right length. Wicket-to-wicket. No idea why they took Rao, Khalil, Sami to Austrailia? a tour like that could have brought more and early success to Shah, Yasir Ali.

[Monsee]

Najaf Shah's bowling action and speed has reminded of young Wasim Akram. I really have no clue why they had taken Khalil with to Austrailia? or why Woolmer cant spot the talent in Najaf shah? Yasir Arafat ......Mohammad Irshad......i dont know, personally i like more Yasir Ali. I tell you guys, this bloke is going to be our next Waqar younus. He is fast ( probably the fin the 85-88 zone) and right on target. He was bowling on the right length. Wicket-to-wicket. No idea why they took Rao, Khalil, Sami to Austrailia? a tour like that could have brought more and early success to Shah, Yasir Ali.



When I spoke highly of Yasir Ali in March, after seeing him in the domestic games, no one really listened...I guess Monsee's cricketing vision is shocking and challenging for a few here :21:

Hopefully now everyone's attention is on this kid...lets bombard Bob with questions about Yasir Ali and Najaf Shah...come on :16:

[immubhai]

I already did Monsee ji,cheers

[Amjid Javed]

well done patrons x1. lets hope the batsmen make a better fist of batting 2nd time round and gain a victory over england!

[w4s1m786]

i think most people knew of yasir ali's talent when he made his test debut at the age of 18

[Monsee]

i think most people knew of yasir ali's talent when he made his test debut at the age of 18



But they also discarded him quickly as they called him another 'Chucker'...his old action was really dodgy

His new action is as clean as it can be though :)

[Shoaib A]

its such a joke to see england batting like this... but just wait u will see, that they can bat even better against pak... england are experimenting to much with pitch, bowling and batting...... ;)

[Monsee]

its such a joke to see england batting like this... but just wait u will see, that they can bat even better against pak... england are experimenting to much with pitch, bowling and batting...... ;)



How do you suppose they can do that...they are not in UK, if U didn't notice that :21:

[Usman]

Ok true these guys are good bowlers but most of you are jumping to the conclusion that all 4 should replace the current 4 pacers which is a very wrong conclusion! If England had got their act together today you guys would be saying "I always knew that Irshad/Ali/Arafat/Shah were overhyped" so don't so quickly jump to say that all these bowlers are international standard just by watching a single game! I look into this performance with the view that it speaks well for the FUTURE of Pakistan cricket. Currently however Shoaib,Shabbir,Rana,Sami and Gul are the best pacers available in the whole of Pakistan because these are the ones who are international standard already. The rest have bright futures in Pakistan cricket however there time has not come yet. Be a little patient!

[Shoaib A]

How do you suppose they can do that...they are not in UK, if U didn't notice that :21:

well I meant, that they are making too much out of it, eventhough they know that subcontinent pitches are different.... so they are experimenting in some way I would say... ;)

[Jonty]

thats awesome.. i would really like to see footage of these bowlers. I also want to see how Arafats batting is..

[akpower]

arafat has been doing awfully well in the recent past, but because of abdul razaq he hasnt been able to get a chance in the squad. i'm not saying it coz of this game, coz after all its only ONE game, but this guy should be part of our odi roster. alot of his critics would say that he is just an average medium pacer, but really he has been very successful in our domestic cricket and deserves a shot at the national squad. i hope our board doesnt wastes him. i'm not saying that he will be a surefire hit, but atleast give him some reward for his performances in first class matches.

[akpower]

Najaf Shah's bowling action and speed has reminded of young Wasim Akram. I really have no clue why they had taken Khalil with to Austrailia? or why Woolmer cant spot the talent in Najaf shah? Yasir Arafat ......Mohammad Irshad......i dont know, personally i like more Yasir Ali. I tell you guys, this bloke is going to be our next Waqar younus. He is fast ( probably the fin the 85-88 zone) and right on target. He was bowling on the right length. Wicket-to-wicket. No idea why they took Rao, Khalil, Sami to Austrailia? a tour like that could have brought more and early success to Shah, Yasir Ali.

did u even watch the odi's in australia? rao did very well, considering it was his first tour where he got consistent chances to play. y the took sami and khalil is another story!:29:

[akpower]

But they also discarded him quickly as they called him another 'Chucker'...his old action was really dodgy

His new action is as clean as it can be though :)

Aamir sohail is the one who spotted him. lets give him credit for that. if he kept his head a little cooler, he would have styll been the chief selector. but knowing him, that obviously was not possible! Though I styll like him better then bari.

[w4s1m786]

if ammir sohail was still a selector he would of picked Yasir ali and some of the other youngsters by now and Mohammed Hafeez would be captain aswell

[Monsee]

Aamir sohail is the one who spotted him. lets give him credit for that. if he kept his head a little cooler, he would have styll been the chief selector. but knowing him, that obviously was not possible! Though I styll like him better then bari.


I believe Yasir Ali was playing at Rashid Latif academy at that time...so I am not sure if Aamir should get all the credit