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Amjid Javed
6th November 2005, 00:16
from cricinfo

Paul Collingwood is set to add to his tally of three Test caps, after England's coach, Duncan Fletcher, revealed that he was pencilled in to bat at the pivotal No. 5 position in the team's final warm-up match, against a strong Pakistan A side at Bagh-e-Jinnah in Lahore. Collingwood, who stepped in for the fifth and final Test against Australia last summer, has been making great strides as a batting allrounder on this tour, and seems certain to push Ian Bell to the margins to allow England the option of a second spinner.



England's preparations have been slightly disrupted by a viral infection that forced four members of the squad - Matthew Hoggard, Kevin Pietersen, Shaun Udal and Alex Loudon - to retire to their rooms after a tough nets session at the PCB National Academy. But Fletcher had nothing but praise for his team's attitude and intensity, declaring that their work ethic was back up to the levels it had reached on the Bangladesh tour of 2003-04, a trip that laid the foundations for their unbeaten run of six successive series wins.



In many ways, Collingwood epitomises the team ethic that has driven England's recent successes. He made his one-day debut way back in 2001, but in Tests he has been an uncomplaining understudy ever since he was drafted into the squad at Perth on the 2002-03 Ashes tour. This morning at practice, he was flinging himself into yet another exhausting fielding drill - taking a blow on the nose in the process - and Fletcher singled him out in particular.



"Colly is that sort of individual," said Fletcher. "He's so determined to play Test cricket and not be singled out as a one-day cricketer, and he works on his game all the time. One of the criticisms we've had in the past was that he was a bit slow as a bowler. He was clocking in at about 79mph, and you can only get away with that if you bounce the ball like Pollock and McGrath. But the guys have noticed the change out here. He's been up to 84-85mph, which is quite a nice pace to bowl."



Prior to the Oval Test, Collingwood's last Test outings both came on the subcontinent, against Sri Lanka in 2003-04, and Fletcher admitted that experience could have a bearing. "He has fulfilled a useful role for us in the past, and he did well against [Muttiah] Muralitharan. But the big thing is his bowling. On difficult wickets he offers variation, and we've noticed that he's been swinging it most of the time."

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Fletcher stressed that nothing had been finalised as regards Bell's position in the side, although the sight of the team doctor, Peter Gregory, extracting his off stump with a slower-ball legbreak at nets today could arguably be taken as the writing on the wall. But he insisted that any decision would rest on the team's bowling tactics. "If we go in with two spinners, we don't believe it's reasonable to share the workload between three seamers," explained Fletcher. "In this heat, and on these flat wickets, it would be asking a lot of Flintoff and Harmison, and so we are trying to lighten their load."



Flintoff and Harmison, for their part, were quickly into a rhythm in their first practice session of the tour. "They only got off the plane 48 hours ago, so it was a gentle run-in. They did what was asked of them, and looked in pretty good nick, so that was encouraging." Both are sure to play at Bagh-e-Jinnah, on a wicket that the local groundsman described as "sporting". Hard and true, with an even covering of grass and a hint of moisture, it should aid both batsmen and bowlers, although it is unlikely to replicate the conditions that England anticipate at Multan next week.



Fletcher was adamant that, despite his team's ropey performance at Rawalpindi, they had the experience and maturity to cope with whatever comes their way. "We will play according to the situation," he said. "The first wicket at Rawalpindi had a very slow outfield and that makes a huge difference, if you play a forward defensive and it goes for one instead of four. But hopefully our guys have got the experience now."



And he was uncharacteristically bullish about the approach that England would take in the series. Having inched to victory in an attritional series in 2000-01, Fletcher envisaged a more positive attitude. "There's no doubt about it," he said. "There's a better feel about it, there's more confidence about this side and their ability. They are just going to have to make sure they don't play too positively and get over-confident. But I don't think they will. We've seen over the last two years, they play the situation well.



"Seven series in a row would be some achievement," he added. "The next big thing is to keep on winning, and added to that, to make sure that the team stays together. That is crucial. If we can go on and beat Australia home and away, and do well on these tours as well, then we can start saying we are getting close to Australia as the best team in the world."



England (probable) 1 Marcus Trescothick, 2 Andrew Strauss, 3 Michael Vaughan, 4 Kevin Pietersen, 5 Paul Collingwood, 6 Andrew Flintoff, 7 Geraint Jones (wk), 8 Ashley Giles, 9 Shaun Udal, 10 Matthew Hoggard, 11 Steve Harmison.

game starts tmoz

Rob H
6th November 2005, 00:27
Looks a good contest. Will be interesting to see how Fred and GBH play in Pakistan.

Billy
6th November 2005, 00:28
I wish Jonah were there.

Jahangir Khan
6th November 2005, 00:34
This game will be a good chance for Imran Farhat and Hasan Raza to give the selectors a headache. If Raza does well in this game, it would be pretty harsh of the selectors not to pick him ahead of the out of form Kamal. Farhat may not be in the squad but if he does well here, it will give the selectors another option for the 2nd/3rd Test if Butt doesn't do anything. I know BW said we would stick with the same opening pair (Malik/Butt) but imagine if Farhat scores a century and a fifty in this game, will they still ignore him?

It will also be a good chance for Shahid Nazir and Mohd. Asif to show what they can do. Nazir in particular has supposedly been unlucky not to have played anywhere for Pakistan in the last couple of years so it's time for him to show the selectors what he's got.

Rob H
6th November 2005, 00:42
I wish Jonah were there.
yup :(. We'll save him for the proper opposition in February. We won't risk him for this bunch of jokers.

Amir
6th November 2005, 00:44
yup :(. We'll save him for the proper opposition in February. We won't risk him for this bunch of jokers.

That is fair, I mean Jones would do superb in Pakistan. He would be reversing the ball after 10 overs here...once the Pakistani batsmen are done roughing up the ball from hitting it to the fence so much.

I mean know we can just leave that job to Sehwag...

Hash
6th November 2005, 00:45
yup :(. We'll save him for the proper opposition in February. We won't risk him for this bunch of jokers.

:19: keep them coming!

Munda Pakistani
6th November 2005, 00:48
Originally Posted by RH
yup images/smilies/smiles/2.gif. We'll save him for the proper opposition in February. We won't risk him for this bunch of jokers.

You mean a proper opposition like the Patron's X1? ;-)

ZM
6th November 2005, 04:15
yup :(. We'll save him for the proper opposition in February. We won't risk him for this bunch of jokers.

i cant wait till we thrash u lot

Lightning
6th November 2005, 07:18
yup :(. We'll save him for the proper opposition in February. We won't risk him for this bunch of jokers.Yeah, the same lot that thrashed you in your own backyard last time in Test series.

AT1
6th November 2005, 08:18
starts when?

tahaqureshi
6th November 2005, 09:36
supposed to have started now

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 09:45
They are playing at Bage jinnah so might not have live scorecards.

whyhkk
6th November 2005, 09:52
on bbc it has been 1-0 for about 15 minutes

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:02
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/fds/hi/statistics/cricket/scorecards/2005/11/12287/html/scorecard.stm

Umpires: Salim Badar, Mian Mohammad Aslam
Pakistan A: Taufeeq Umar, Imran Farhat, Shahid Yousuf, Hasan Raza, Faisal Athar, Mansoor Amjad, Amin ur-Rehman, Arshad Khan, Mohammad Asif, Shahid Nazir, Mohammad Khalil
England: A J Strauss, M E Trescothick, M P Vaughan, K P Pietersen, P D Collingwood, A Flintoff, G O Jones, A F Giles, S D Udal, S J Harmison, M J Hoggard

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zMario
6th November 2005, 10:03
any links for this? I expected PTV 1 to show it, but i guess they didnt

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:03
http://home.skysports.com/LIVESCORES/CRICKET/

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:04
A J Strauss c Shahid Yousuf b Shahid Nazir 5

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:05
13/1 :27:

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 10:06
Wah wah Shahid Nazir what a great bowler. The right-handed Wasim of course.

zMario
6th November 2005, 10:07
Gone!!!

13/1

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:07
14/2

trescothick out

Mohammad asif bowled him

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 10:08
wah wah asif the new mcgrath. Step aside here comes The new mcgrath.

Monsee
6th November 2005, 10:08
Wah wah Shahid Nazir what a great bowler. The right-handed Wasim of course.



1 Wicket and a Right Handed Akram...then we take the mickey of Indians :21:

zMario
6th November 2005, 10:08
LMAO OUT!!!!!!!!!!!

14/2 .

M Trescothick b Asif 9

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:09
pieterson edged a boundary

nazir nearly picks up as Vaughan edges towards 2nd slip. But, ball died b4 reached him.

zMario
6th November 2005, 10:09
toonboy.. where are u watching?

zMario
6th November 2005, 10:10
could you possibly inform us? :D

I wouldnt mind paying u

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:12
toonboy.. where are u watching?

i am not. bbc radio 5 live just did a update ..Chris Martin jenkins is watching it.

Lightning
6th November 2005, 10:15
lol marooned. Man these Pommies seem to be falling like a house of cards these days. Shoaiby and Rana can potentialy nail them unless ofcource...Multan isn't a sporting track.

zMario
6th November 2005, 10:16
oh

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:17
multan seems a pitch, where u should bat first.

zMario
6th November 2005, 10:19
BBC 5 Extra?

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:23
BBC 5 Extra?

no .they aint covering it . normal radio are updating evry half hr.

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:25
26 for 2 (10.0 overs)

vaughan with 10.

zMario
6th November 2005, 10:25
normal radio? can u gimmie a link?

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:27
30-2

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:28
normal radio? can u gimmie a link?
u in uk or abroad?

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:29
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/index.shtml?logo

UsmanhailsAfridi
6th November 2005, 10:29
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/live/surestream_int.ram

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 10:43
shahid nazir strikes again

wah wah the right handed wasim and reid combined!

tahaqureshi
6th November 2005, 10:44
apparently its 34/3 now...nazir takes another one, this time edged to the wicky amin-ur-rehman

mumtaz
6th November 2005, 10:44
34/3, nazir gets pietersen as well.

Naz
6th November 2005, 10:44
Man, usman this stream u have provided is just a boring interview with a coronation street actor!!, 34-3, danger man pietersen out!!!

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:46
Man, usman this stream u have provided is just a boring interview with a coronation street actor!!, 34-3, danger man pietersen out!!!

updates evry 30mins

Amir
6th November 2005, 10:47
I have been pressing for Nazir for so long, it is soon he wil get his chance. What about Asif? Many of you laughed at him but I still think he has alot of potential. Alot of banana swing and if he has Rana work ethic he can achieve new heights.

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:48
reviewing a film called Pinjar

Big Mac
6th November 2005, 10:53
40/5, Asif gets Vaughan and Collingwood. Come back Ian Bell, all is forgiven

Shayan_Sohail
6th November 2005, 10:53
England 40-5 currently :O

Salman
6th November 2005, 10:55
Collingwood, 0 :))

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 10:58
40-5

excuses already starting- "greentop"

Monsee
6th November 2005, 10:59
Collingwood, 0 :))



So Mr. England Will Sweep Pakistan 3-0 scored '0'....Nice job :D :)))

Daoud
6th November 2005, 11:00
Collingwood, 0 :))
:)))
Colly for Multan :D

nafajafam
6th November 2005, 11:01
link for scores on cricinfo.
http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/ENG_PAK-A_06-08NOV2005.html

tahaqureshi
6th November 2005, 11:02
Vaughan said that Eng are going to field their real test 11 this time since its their last practise match..

I SO HOPE THEY PLAY LIKE THIS AGAINST OUR REAL TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!

mumtaz
6th November 2005, 11:02
44-6 now, asif gets 4

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:03
44 for 6 (16.0 overs)

Salman
6th November 2005, 11:03
England looking to be all out below 80...

and i'm confident that i'm not speaking to soon :24:

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 11:04
6 down

mcgrath and wasim have eaten the English alive.

sehsan
6th November 2005, 11:05
salman: they would have done it, if they would have najaf and arfat in their team BUT sadly khalil and arshad is the back up bowler and flintoff would thrash them

Monsee
6th November 2005, 11:06
Watch their recovery now when they play against the frighteningly slow pace of the Missille Man AKA Khalil and the 'No Turn' off spinning Grandpa :12:

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:06
53-7

flintoff gone

mcgrath with a 5-fer

sehsan
6th November 2005, 11:06
flintoff is also gone, asif have taken 5 now

Monsee
6th November 2005, 11:06
Flintoff gone...M. Asif 5 wickets :O

Schiller
6th November 2005, 11:08
asif taking so man ywkts?
somethin'gs wrong

Salman
6th November 2005, 11:09
England looking to be all out below 80...

and i'm confident that i'm not speaking to soon :24:


:24::24::24:

Schiller
6th November 2005, 11:09
:D

salman, any chance of stream?

Monsee
6th November 2005, 11:10
asif taking so man ywkts?
somethin'gs wrong


Maybe he read about my 'Daal powered' secret recipe that Mr. Ghunda Man AKA Kapil used with huge success :D ;-)

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:10
Flintoff gone...M. Asif 5 wickets :O

BW did say he had improved and started swinging again..

wait he also said that about Khalil...could it be??

Salman
6th November 2005, 11:11
:D

salman, any chance of stream?

Let me just run over there and hookup my cameras :D

Big Mac
6th November 2005, 11:11
53 for 7, Asif has 5 for 40

edit: note to self: refresh page before posting updates

Monsee
6th November 2005, 11:12
Can we expect the same from Shoaib and Co. :21:


Bowling O M R W
Shahid Nazir 9 5 13 2
Mohammad Asif 9 1 40 5 (5w)

BTW, look at Asif's figures, he has given away 40 runs in 9 overs...Nazir only 13

:19: :14:

Schiller
6th November 2005, 11:13
Let me just run over there and hookup my cameras :D

no i meant the tests :D

Salman
6th November 2005, 11:14
no chance :P

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 11:14
this is what myself and a friend did in an inter-house game at school
wrapped them up in the opening spell
now wasim and mcgrath have done the same!

AT1
6th November 2005, 11:15
你好!

where can i get a frequent updated scorecard from?

Baron
6th November 2005, 11:15
Wowsers, cant believe there for 7. It must be moving ALOT out there. However, i wouldnt get too excited as the selectors have decided on a completely different pace attack for the Pakistan lineup. Shoaib, Sami and Shabbir move it much less than their slower counterparts of Navid and Nazir. Personally i hope they mix our pace attack up now, especially after seeing the first 2 matches.

Schiller
6th November 2005, 11:15
no chance :P

damn :D
you're no good
if you were, you'd email me but you're a lost cuase :D

Sheikh_Ji
6th November 2005, 11:15
I say..for the tests lets make full green top wickets...play our back-up bowlers...Arafat, Najaf, M.Asif.....with our full strength batting
England jeet ke dekhaye....:D:D

nafajafam
6th November 2005, 11:18
http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/ENG_PAK-A_06-08NOV2005.html

Schiller
6th November 2005, 11:18
lets not jump to conclusions guys

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 11:20
lets not jump to conclusions guys

why not? that's the entire point of it innit?

have some fun until reality dawns...

Raz
6th November 2005, 11:21
Is it like a break or something at the moment? Scorecard hasnt changed for the last 5-10 minutes.

Salman
6th November 2005, 11:22
damn :D
you're no good
if you were, you'd email me but you're a lost cuase :D

Don't blame me, blame this electronic tag that they put on my left foot that shocks me everytime i attempt to hookup the tv to the pc... :135:

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:24
they probably spent too much time perfecting their taches rather than their batting...

Schiller
6th November 2005, 11:24
Don't blame me, blame this electronic tag that they put on my left foot that shocks me everytime i attempt to hookup the tv to the pc... :135:

:)):))

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:24
should be break in 5mins.

Salman
6th November 2005, 11:25
Is it like a break or something at the moment? Scorecard hasnt changed for the last 5-10 minutes.

The card only updates when the official english scorer pinches himself...

tahaqureshi
6th November 2005, 11:26
lets not jump to conclusions guys

why not? england are performing cr@p in their 3rd consecutive innings...

plus, vaughan said that theyt would field their most probably test 11 in this match. and right now they suck.

Baron
6th November 2005, 11:26
Looks like Hasan might not get to bring in the other bowlers unless the other grandpa, Udal and the wheely bin Giles can save the day. The problem may be the pitches they have England playing on. How different will the test wickets be and what will they do? Its obvious that the first 2 have offered movement in the way of swing but what will Multan do? I just hope they select the right bowlers.

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:32
should be lunchtime now

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:34
58 for 7 (19.0 overs)

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:35
74-7 (lunch) - a bit of a partnership developed.

tahaqureshi
6th November 2005, 11:35
I think that the actual Team Pakistan squad should play a small 8 a side match amongst each other on the night before the first test, just to see what the pitch is like. Muahahahaha! :16:

That way we can have the advanatge!:D

tahaqureshi
6th November 2005, 11:38
shouldn't lunch be a little later on?

jalex382
6th November 2005, 11:40
shouldn't lunch be a little later on?

I agree with you, lunch after 20 overs sound lil toooo early, unless eng trying to get together and rethink of playing pakistan.:D

jalex382
6th November 2005, 11:43
what is this all about?

Pakistan A won the toss and decided to bat
Pakistan A 1st Innings (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/fds/hi/statistics/cricket/scorecards/2005/11/12287/html/scorecard.stm#PakistanA1)
58 for 7 (19.0 overs)


Pakistan A 1st Innings


Runs
Balls
4s
6s
Imran Farhat
b S D Udal8
2310Taufeeq Umarc M P Vaughanb S J Harmison5
1400Shahid Yousufc M P Vaughanb S D Udal17
2330Hasan Razac M P Vaughanb S D Udal4
1500Faisal Atharc M P Vaughanb S D Udal0
400Mansoor Amjadc A F Gilesb S D Udal9
1720Amin-ur-Rehman
b S D Udal0
400Arshad Khannot out
10
1210Mohammad Asifnot out
0
200Extras
5w5
Total
for 758

Bowler
O
M
R
W
S J Harmison10.05182S D Udal9.01405Fall of wicket

tahaqureshi
6th November 2005, 11:43
Now it says Pak A won the toss, elected to bat and WE are at 58-7?????

jalex382
6th November 2005, 11:45
Now it says Pak A won the toss, elected to bat and WE are at 58-7?????

now thats really confusing, how the heck they are gonna mix up with hrmison and shahid nazir and udal and Mo asif names. I am lost or they have lost it.

Big Mac
6th November 2005, 11:45
The bbc website can't take the beating and is trying to convince everybody that in fact Pakistan A are batting

Eternal
6th November 2005, 11:46
I like what I am seeing. Lets hope we do better than the English are doing right now.

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:46
I agree with you, lunch after 20 overs sound lil toooo early, unless eng trying to get together and rethink of playing pakistan.:D

its not overs here but session time.

Big Mac
6th November 2005, 11:46
now thats really confusing, how the heck they are gonna mix up with hrmison and shahid nazir and udal and Mo asif names. I am lost or they have lost it.


Don't worry, it's just wishful thinking

Shayan_Sohail
6th November 2005, 11:46
Now it says Pak A won the toss, elected to bat and WE are at 58-7?????

Udal apparenly took six wickets on a first day pitch. I highly doubt this is true.

Daoud
6th November 2005, 11:47
W.T.F. is happening. Why would Udal open instead of Hoggard anyway. Its gone ********

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 11:47
:))) Looks like the joke was on us!

jalex382
6th November 2005, 11:48
The bbc website can't take the beating and is trying to convince everybody that in fact Pakistan A are batting


thas what i was thinking. that is not a small mistake to be made. not only they swapped the batsmen but also who bowled and who caught has be figured out as well.

Big Mac
6th November 2005, 11:48
Ach, apparently Giles was dropped by Amin-ur-Rehman off the bowling of Khalil

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 11:50
What about Wasim and Mcgrath?

Big Mac
6th November 2005, 11:51
England's struggling batsmen made a horrendous start to their three-day match against Pakistan A in Lahore.

They were reduced to 76-7 at lunch after skipper Michael Vaughan won the toss and opted to bat first.

He made 17 but was the only top order batsmen to reach double figures as pacemen Mohammad Asif and Shahid Nazir shared the wickets.

Paul Collingwood and Geraint Jones went for ducks and Andrew Flintoff made nine in his first innings of the tour.

England were hoping for easier conditions than in Rawalpindi where they managed to beat a Patron's XI despite being bowled out for 112 in their second innings.

They opted for a likely Test XI, with Collingwood and spinner Shaun Udal preferred to Ian Bell and James Anderson.

But the top order was blown away after Nazir made the initial breakthrough by having Andrew Strauss caught at third slip for five.

Vaughan was dropped on nought by Taufeeq Umar before Marcus Trescothick was bowled for eight by an inswinging delivery from Asif which knocked out middle and off stumps.

It quickly became a procession as Kevin Pietersen attempted a flamboyant drive without taking time to adjust to conditions, departing for four, and Vaughan followed in similar fashion.

Collingwood and Jones only lasted four balls each - Collingwood caught behind as he tried to cut and Jones bowled by Asif, who picked up his fifth wicket when Flintoff's checked drive was taken by Arshad Khan at mid-on.

It could have been even worse as Giles swung the bat at a ball from Mohammad Khalil, but keeper Amin-ur-Rehman was unable to hang on to a low chance to his right.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/4409750.stm

jalex382
6th November 2005, 11:52
since cricinfo is getting updates from bbc, even they are confuse, but they are sticking with the eng being 53/7. Is udal fast bowler or a spinner?

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 11:52
sky is the best
they have both scorecards (for Pak and Eng)!!

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:53
that cheat michael vaughan has picked 4 catches..by moving around the pitch...

Baron
6th November 2005, 11:53
Im sure if Mo Asif can pick up a 5er then im sure Khalil can pick a few up himself. Its good to see Hasan go for the fill but i think he should rest Nazir now. 10 overs in a trott are enough!

feather
6th November 2005, 11:54
http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/ENG_PAK-A_06-08NOV2005.html

This shows that asif has 6 wickets instead of 5 and nazir only has one...can they stop messing with the freakin scorecard.

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 11:54
that cheat michael vaughan has picked 4 catches..by moving around the pitch...
:)))

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:55
arshad khan has scored 20 off 12 balls. :O

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 11:57
http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2LY1IVCR21RT601C28VHT0L5T5

Sky Sports News report and footage.

Baron
6th November 2005, 11:57
Interesting to see Harmison and Udal open the bowling :))

Udal is an aging English spinner whos aged around 36. I doubt very much if he could pick up so many quick wickets, let alone open the bowling.

Shayan_Sohail
6th November 2005, 11:58
arshad khan has scored 20 off 12 balls. :O

Yep now i am hundred percent sure that the english are tempering wih the scorecard.

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 12:02
Actually what has happened is that the scorecard has been reversed. So since Asif and Nazir opened the bowling (number 9 and 10 on the scorecard) they have been replaced by england's 9 and 10 (udal and harmison).

Same for the fielders Shahid Yousuf (number 3) has been replaced by Vaughan (number 3)

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 12:03
http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2LY1IVCR21RT601C28VHT0L5T5

Sky Sports News report and footage.

bump:D

Naz
6th November 2005, 12:10
How can pakistan have played 24 overs already before lucnh???? I thought it was 30 overs a session, i cant believe that england would have been bowled out in around 6 overs!!

Shayan_Sohail
6th November 2005, 12:10
Actually what has happened is that the scorecard has been reversed. So since Asif and Nazir opened the bowling (number 9 and 10 on the scorecard) they have been replaced by england's 9 and 10 (udal and harmison).

Same for the fielders Shahid Yousuf (number 3) has been replaced by Vaughan (number 3)

Man you are a genius:14:

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 12:14
thanks shayan :19:

and thanks toon for the video, keep them coming!

with the video now we have proof that it's England batting. (in case they try to prove otherwise)

saghir
6th November 2005, 12:14
:( i had look at about 3 different live scorecards but they are all different !!!

what the really score???????????????? can anyone help?

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 12:19
Yes it's 77/7 England

Nazir got 2, Asif 5.

Toon has also posted a video which is proof. They just switched the scorecard by mistake.

Overcast Sky
6th November 2005, 12:22
what the hell is going on :43:
the headline on BBC sports is " england wickets tumble in lahore"
when i click on the scorecard it shows pakistan are at 76/7 and udal has picked up 5 wickets

bahut confusion hai ...

Naz
6th November 2005, 12:22
How could 14 wickets fall in the openong session!! What the heck is going on!!!! This is laughable. It feels like some website editor is having fun generating ridiculous scorecards!

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 12:24
I've already said what happened a few times! It's England batting. Pakistan has NOT batted.

Flintoff and Collingwood basically threw away their wickets so those were two gifts for Asif.

Eternal
6th November 2005, 12:24
Awesome a video. Asif with 5 wickets wow...somewhat hard to believe. The cricinfo card doesn't refresh for me, what other score cards are you all viewing?

Eternal
6th November 2005, 12:31
Allright so lunch break and ENGLAND: 76/7 after 24 overs.:19:

offstump
6th November 2005, 12:33
i didnt think this bowling attack had the teeth to do much damage but wow, this is england's actual test side that's playing

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 12:33
http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1P7LJIS7HLN2K0X2PORI2KKUSK

very short footage of another wicket. - Trescothick

Sheikh_Ji
6th November 2005, 12:33
The Sky Sports people are cry babbies.....
The reporter must have used the word "undercooked" about 7 times in a 3 minute report. Playing 2 warm up 3/4 day games is a luxury nowadays. On our tour to the WI we didnt even get that. Im sure when we go to England we will not get more than 1..... and yet these guys are continuously complaining that they are not getting enough practice.

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 12:35
afternoon session started.

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 12:45
http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1KESXQ39F180A0OBMZD9SYD7TP

just footage of 4 of the wickets.

Baron
6th November 2005, 12:45
The Sky Sports people are cry babbies.....
The reporter must have used the word "undercooked" about 7 times in a 3 minute report. Playing 2 warm up 3/4 day games is a luxury nowadays. On our tour to the WI we didnt even get that. Im sure when we go to England we will not get more than 1..... and yet these guys are continuously complaining that they are not getting enough practice.

Yeh have to agree with you there. Its typical hypocritical English speak. Most teams dont get much in the way of warm ups and fortunately for them, they've had 2 good warm up teams to prepare against. Have they forgotten that they've come off a successful ashes campaign that wasnt that long ago? With all this talk of 3-0, i think they've become some what complacent.

saghir
6th November 2005, 12:47
which scorecard you looking at?

saghir
6th November 2005, 12:52
afternoon session started.

link?

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 12:55
link?

no link... just obvious lunch taken nearly 90 mins ago..should be in play by now.

for latest score- there isnt one.

Officer Barbrady
6th November 2005, 12:57
thanks again for the clips toon

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 12:58
geoff boycott will be on radio 5live with his view in the next hr.

fair_play
6th November 2005, 13:02
Hmm.....5 innings on the tour so far (including the Patrons XI innings) and 5 early innings collapses.

The matches are beginning earlier, and there is morning dew is my theory...

Jonty
6th November 2005, 13:03
well well well... i hope our main team does this and the batsmen put up some runs!

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 13:03
125-9

asif 6 -62.

Harmison scored 4 boundaries. 17 not out- dropped at cover.
Hoggard batting with him

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 13:05
53-7 to 125-9 - lower order showing some life.

Baron
6th November 2005, 13:08
geoff boycott will be on radio 5live with his viw in the next hr.

Im looking forward to hearing that Yorkshire wife beater his views :30: I had respect for the man as he used to give Pakistan there dues. But when England won the ashes and he was asked how they would fair against Pak and India, he completely dismissed Pakistan and went on to say India would be a big challenge. Excuse me but just because you won an ashes series doesnt mean you will beat us so easily. I just want to hear these guys eat there words!!!

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 13:12
http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/ENG_PAK-A_06-08NOV2005.html

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 13:14
England XI 126/9 (35 ov)

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 13:15
khalil bowled giles - expensive - 1-40 off 8 overs.

Sheikh_Ji
6th November 2005, 13:18
126 all out......:D:D
update jst came up on the NZ SA match....... Khalil takes one...Asif 6

Naz
6th November 2005, 13:19
Mohammed asif gets 7 wickets, subhanallah, please someone explain to me then how come we persist with the 2 brainless garbage pacers such as shoaib and sami when these domestic bowlers are consistently proving how good they really are (in patrons 11, aganist australia A and now here)

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 13:19
126 all out......:D:D
update jst came up on the NZ SA match....... Khalil takes one...Asif 6

Asif takes 7

Hydro
6th November 2005, 13:31
4-0 farhta on 3 umar on1

wasoo77
6th November 2005, 13:32
Pakistan A v England XI, Lahore, 1st day

England collapse yet again

The Bulletin by Andrew Miller in Lahore

November 6, 2005

England 76 for 7 (Giles 20*, Udal 4*) v Pakistan A
Scorecard (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/ENG_PAKA_0608NOV2005.html)

England's top-order once again folded dismally on the opening day of their final first-class warm-up match against Pakistan A at Bagh-e-Jinnah, slumping to 76 for 7 at lunch as the impressive seam pairing of Mohammad Asif and Shahid Nazir excelled on a helpful wicket. Aided by the safe hands of Shahid Yousuf, who pocketed three sharp catches at third slip, they left England's first-Test preparations wallowing in the mire.



Not that this situation was anything new, mind you. After collapses of 60 for 6 and 39 for 6 at Rawalpindi, England are getting rather used to such a predicament. The difference this time around is that, with just 11 players per side - as opposed to the full squad of 14 - England have no specialist batsmen lurking down the order to bail them out. Their bowlers spared them embarrassment against the Patron's XI, but at this rate they might have to do the business with bat and ball.

Though Duncan Fletcher yesterday praised his team's work ethic as they threw themselves into the fitness side of their campaign, all the weights-sessions in the world won't make up for a loose technique. All too many of the batsmen were undone by impetuosity as much as swing, with only Andrew Strauss receiving a delivery that would have troubled most players. He was the first to fall, squared up by Nazir, and squirting a low edge to Yousuf at third slip (13 for 1).



Not for the first time in the innings, one wicket brought two, as Marcus Trescothick played around a full-length delivery in Asif's next over and had his off and middle stumps detonated from the ground. Michael Vaughan was then dropped at second slip before he had scored, and Kevin Pietersen had an equal stroke of fortune, when his tentative push evaded a diving keeper to enable him to get off the mark.



Neither made their good fortune count, however. Pietersen tried to hit his way out of trouble and edged Asif to Aminur Rahman behind the stumps for 4, and three balls later, Paul Collingwood carved loosely to give Shahid his second catch. Collingwood was gone for a fifth-ball duck, not the performance he had been looking for as he attempts to cement his Test place.



Vaughan stroked three defiant boundaries, but he was Asif's next victim, also courtesy of a loose drive to third slip. And after a maiden from Nazir, Geraint Jones - whose place is under increasing pressure from Matt Prior - lost his middle stump as he played around a straight one. It was an eighth-ball duck for Jones, and at 40 for 6, England's only consolation was that they had gone one run better than their worst start of the tour.



All eyes now fell on Andrew Flintoff, just 72 hours off the plane from England and now expected to bail his side out in his first innings of the tour. He brought up England's fifty with a composed hook through square leg, but one ball later, Asif had a five-wicket haul from just nine overs, as Flintoff miscued a drive to Arshad Khan in the covers.



It could have been even worse for England, as Ashley Giles was dropped behind the stumps on 14 in Mohammad Khalil's first over, but he and Shaun Udal made it to lunch with their wickets. If they thought that their main partnership would be as a spin pairing, England's top-order had done its best to convince them otherwise.

Andrew Miller is UK editor of Cricinfo

© Cricinfo

Sheikh_Ji
6th November 2005, 13:32
SKy SPorts was saying 6...anyways..
is anyone following the NZ SA match..there is a rain delay..and the anchor was talking to Robert Key in the studio...and i really feel just kicking the cr@p out of his humpty dumpty face....for a full 15 mins he was just complaining that Eng are being deleiberately given the worst of conditions for their practice matches.....et etc
they r getting seaming conditions for their practice matches..the kind of conditions they face all year round back at thier homes....

AT1
6th November 2005, 13:35
Mohammad Asif 7 wickets!!

khalil bowled well too..

i mean for his standards

AT1
6th November 2005, 13:39
pakistan A, 9-2

Hydro
6th November 2005, 13:40
9 for 2 pak a

hoggard gets 2

umar and athar

Hydro
6th November 2005, 13:44
17 for 2 farhat not out on 11 and shahid yousuf yet to get of the mark

Hydro
6th November 2005, 13:52
29 for 3 shahid yousuf goes for 10 hoggards gets his 3rd

he looks like he could trouble the pak batsmen

Hydro
6th November 2005, 13:53
captian comes in

please get a good score you 2

Naz
6th November 2005, 13:54
I garuntee this pak a wont even get a first innings lead as they are so pathetically mentally corrupt. "Oh we cant dare to better england they are to good, oh lets collapse and return with our heads bowed to them" Just like they did in the previouss match. Ridiculous dar pokhs who always let the opposition off the hook.

tahaqureshi
6th November 2005, 13:55
Hasan Raza and Imran Farhat are at the crease...two batsmen who really have to prove themselves..

Hydro
6th November 2005, 14:02
these 2 need to just bat

coz it not a huge 1st innings target

tahaqureshi
6th November 2005, 14:08
the highest score in their innings was 23 by shaun udal....

so far farhat boy has got 18 to his name....and raza shaib has got one boundary.

Hydro
6th November 2005, 14:09
afta 8 overs 40 for 3 goin at 5 an over

we need thses guys gto get poast the 3 figures

Baron
6th November 2005, 14:09
Come on Pak A!!! Just heard that they are on 54/4 and Farhat just got out. Hoggards picked up all 4 wickets. Just hope someone (hasan) get a half century. We need good news on the batting front.

Hydro
6th November 2005, 14:10
54/4 ouch mansoor amjad in last recoginised batsmen

Saj
6th November 2005, 14:12
Are these matches really being played in Pakistan or at Headingley ? :P

Hydro
6th November 2005, 14:16
its 46-4
it looks precarious

Saj
6th November 2005, 14:19
58 for 4. A great opportunity though for Hasan to show his pedigree.

thebarmyarmy
6th November 2005, 14:20
hello everyone. i think a lot of people here spoke a bit too soon about englands total. is there something wrong with these pitches?

Hydro
6th November 2005, 14:20
58-4 mansoor on 7 and hasan on 9

come on guys

but they r goin at over 5 runs which is quite intersresting considering its hard to bat on this pitch

Baron
6th November 2005, 14:22
58/5 Collingwood took Mansoor Amjad. Oh well it might be 70-80 all out if they aint more careful.

Hydro
6th November 2005, 14:29
hello everyone. i think a lot of people here spoke a bit too soon about englands total. is there something wrong with these pitches?


u maybe right it is a greentop not a typical subcontinent pitch

Rob H
6th November 2005, 14:29
1st innings lead

Daoud
6th November 2005, 14:30
u maybe right it is a greentop not a typical subcontinent pitch
Was pretty clear when Asif was knocking them over

Baron
6th November 2005, 14:33
Listening to Uncle Boycott on 5 live and he appears to have changed his tune. Hes saying that England is up against it now and that it could go either way. He also came up with the excuse of teams not playing enough warm up games nowadays. What happened to his initial comments of England winning easily in Pakistan? You cant just change your line if your teams struggling in the warmups! Even the so called specialists dont know sometimes.......

Waseem
6th November 2005, 14:34
hello everyone. i think a lot of people here spoke a bit too soon about englands total. is there something wrong with these pitches?

Hey tba, i don't think people spoke too early. If England can get out for 120+, i expected around 100 from Pak A( don't know if they r gonna get even 100 now). You won't see such pitches in TEST matches, i can assure that(in case you are worried :) ) .

thebarmyarmy
6th November 2005, 14:36
so maybe england batting again towards end of day?

Easa
6th November 2005, 14:40
any latest updates?????????? Man.... I dont want it to be a bowler-friendly series!!!

Mercenary
6th November 2005, 14:41
hello everyone. i think a lot of people here spoke a bit too soon about englands total. is there something wrong with these pitches?

I think the PCB are trying to undermine the English batting by having them collapse to second and 3rd XI bowling line-ups.

Baron
6th November 2005, 14:41
I hope they wont be batting at the end of the day, otherwise it wont be must of a warm up game, more of a light stretch. ;)
I think a Shane Warne is needed at the crease at the moment. Just take your time and anticipate, rather than pre-meditate. It looks like Pak A need to catch the Rawlpindi Express.

Baron
6th November 2005, 14:44
I think the PCB are trying to undermine the English batting by having them collapse to second and 3rd XI bowling line-ups.


Interesting thought. I was thinking the same thing. Dont let the opposition batsman get much match practice and present them with conditions that will be totally different in the real match. I wonder if they are doing this and if it will work. :13:

choor
6th November 2005, 14:46
I have to say it is rather cheeky tactics by the PCB to give England these green tops when the test wicket (I hope) will be nothing close to this. Still this is a test series, and it is all gamesmanship anyway! But I guess from an English perspective I am not too worried, as it was quite similar last time. Though there is a negative from the Pakistan point of view as their fringe players have not really been given a good opportunity to make a case. Will they drop one of their pacers who struggle on a flat test deck for somebody who took a stack of wickets against England on a dicey wicket? You can't really make a good comparison!

Also doesn't help the batsmen trying to crack into the Pak team.

Rob H
6th November 2005, 15:03
73-5

Sheikh_Ji
6th November 2005, 15:03
Pakistan A 73/5 (17 ov)
Batsmen: R B 4s 6s S/R
Hasan Raza 18 30 2 0 60.00 not out
Amin-ur-Rehman 6 16 1 0 37.50 not out

Somali Pirate
6th November 2005, 15:05
where are you guys getting the updates from?

Sheikh_Ji
6th November 2005, 15:11
Total 5 / 81

KaSaNoVa_G
6th November 2005, 15:11
cricinfo, sky sports, or bbc site..

Rob H
6th November 2005, 15:12
81-5

yk
6th November 2005, 15:15
Gwan Pak A, lets get a lead this time. Unlike Patron's batsmen who spoiled the hard work of the bowlers. GWAAAN RAZ!!!

Hash
6th November 2005, 15:16
85/5

Hasan Raza not out 24 from 44 balls. He has got himself a start. If he can go on and get a big score here, in difficult conditions, that would surely put him in contention for the number 6 spot.

Other than that......England were completely and utterly anhilated by a bowling attack which most people on here considered weak!

ataullah
6th November 2005, 15:21
where are you guys getting the updates from?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/fds/hi/statistics/cricket/scorecards/2005/11/12287/html/scorecard.stm and



http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/ENG_PAK-A_06-08NOV2005.html

ataullah
6th November 2005, 15:22
Flintoff just hit hasan raza with a delivery. Already working up some pace. Harmison doesnt look to be as much a threat as freddie

Sheikh_Ji
6th November 2005, 15:25
91/5
nice partnership devoloping.....hopefully these 2 can take us too a min of 126

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 15:25
91/5

wat i just woke up and see we collapsed too!

Hash
6th November 2005, 15:25
91 for 5. Partnership building here...33 runs so far. Come on boys.

Somali Pirate
6th November 2005, 15:27
i would have loved to see a raza amjad combo.

good to see raza applying himself in seamers paradise

F16
6th November 2005, 15:30
What sort of pitch is this ,wickets falling down like 9 pins .

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 15:31
97/5

Somali Pirate
6th November 2005, 15:33
What sort of pitch is this ,wickets falling down like 9 pins .


it's a seamers pitch.

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 15:34
103/5

Hash
6th November 2005, 15:39
103 for 5

Hasan Raza not out 32 (keep going Hasan bhai....this is your chance. Keep going!)
Amin ur Rehman not out 22

Partnership of 45 runs

23 behind

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 15:48
114/5

Hash
6th November 2005, 15:53
partnership now 56 runs

Daoud
6th November 2005, 15:53
Come on Hasan - do well here and you've done what you can.
BTW, RobIN, who did you say would be getting the first innings lead :D

Somali Pirate
6th November 2005, 15:57
is it tea time right now in pak?

Shoaib A
6th November 2005, 15:57
114/7 damn!

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 15:58
is it tea time right now in pak?


past tea time.. 5 hrs ahead GMT.

probably less than 30 mins left.

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 16:00
raza still around.

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 16:00
http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1WLM7BX8MI3WM24GZHCLTV1FM3

updated footage.

Rob H
6th November 2005, 16:00
Come on Hasan - do well here and you've done what you can.
BTW, RobIN, who did you say would be getting the first innings lead :D
yeah i did :D

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 16:03
127-8

close of play.

Raza lbw for 34 off Giles.

wasoo77
6th November 2005, 16:06
thanks

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 16:08
one ahead -end of play..less pitch time they get the better.

UsmanhailsAfridi
6th November 2005, 16:10
argh...wats wrong with taufeeq....he got out shouldering arms to ball that went on to hit off stump...

Somali Pirate
6th November 2005, 16:11
just one over to go and raza loses his concentration.What's with pak bats getting dismissed just before end of play?

Naz
6th November 2005, 16:12
How can this fool giles who loves the around the wicket line up the batsmen's ar$e get an lbw decision. Damn ******* umpires wanna help england out, denied the captain a half century and maybe more. Well done raza for playing a truly captains innings.

Billy
6th November 2005, 16:12
What an amazingly awful pitch you've managed to produce again.

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 16:14
What an amazingly awful pitch you've managed to produce again.

wat by producing pitches that England will not experience!
Job well done.

Billy
6th November 2005, 16:16
Well I do hope Pakistan enjoy playing their warm ups for the England tour on the Rose Bowl's practice square...

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 16:16
How can this fool giles who loves the around the wicket line up the batsmen's ar$e get an lbw decision. Damn ******* umpires wanna help england out, denied the captain a half century and maybe more. Well done raza for playing a truly captains innings.

Giles no fool.

He is Mr. Subcontinent.

nedian21
6th November 2005, 16:16
What an amazingly awful pitch you've managed to produce again.

dont worry Pakistan management will gift u a perfect batting pitch in Multan test in which English batsman will score heavily but somehow it will be curtains for Pakistan batsman.

Toony™®
6th November 2005, 16:17
Well I do hope Pakistan enjoy playing their warm ups for the England tour on the Rose Bowl's practice square...


they won't.

ZM
6th November 2005, 16:20
well done pak A
once again our 2nd team prove england are ***** :D

yk
6th November 2005, 16:22
Pitch designed to Destroy Eng batsmen confidence....hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Big Mac
6th November 2005, 16:32
Pitch designed to Destroy Eng batsmen confidence....hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

And give their bowlers confidence ahahaha..oh hang on :6:

lahori@denmark
6th November 2005, 16:33
Well I do hope Pakistan enjoy playing their warm ups for the England tour on the Rose Bowl's practice square...
some of your players complained for homesickness.. we are only tring to feel them at home.. :P

Nauman
6th November 2005, 16:56
What an amazingly awful pitch you've managed to produce again.

Why the sour grapes Billy over the past 5 years England has produced some of the worst wickets ever for test match cricket, series against South Africa is a perfect example of what I am talking about.

Amjid Javed
6th November 2005, 17:02
well done kaka (mo asif) on taking 7 wkts.

DM
6th November 2005, 17:07
What an awful wicket, i'm wondering whether we should prepare something similar for the tests? :D

tahaqureshi
6th November 2005, 17:39
What an awful wicket, i'm wondering whether we should prepare something similar for the tests? :D

Yeah...and see 5 ducks in the pak batting innings! :6:

KPNuts
6th November 2005, 17:58
Why the sour grapes Billy over the past 5 years England has produced some of the worst wickets ever for test match cricket, series against South Africa is a perfect example of what I am talking about.

Simply not true

The SA Trent Bridge wicket was a shocker, but over the past 5 years the test pitches in England have been the best i can ever remember.

Besides, Billys point is fair enough. The PCB have decided to give England 2 warm-up games on greentops & will play the test on a dry spinning wicket.

The PCB did this in 2000 too, and then unleashed Saqlain,Danish & co....

TaZ
6th November 2005, 18:35
Well I do hope Pakistan enjoy playing their warm ups for the England tour on the Rose Bowl's practice square...

At least we give you decent oppo! Everytime Pak tour England they get to play the British Universities ?!?!? pathetic

From what ive seen so far, England could have a tough time in pak and dare I say it, India will hammer them

Farhad
6th November 2005, 18:54
I went to Bagh-e-Jinnah this afternnon to see the proceedings. Quite tight security as they had cordoned off the area and had blocked some entrances to the massive park. Nevertheless, I watched roughly half an hour's play before tea-time.

karachiite
6th November 2005, 19:28
was the pitch really that bad?

Somali Pirate
6th November 2005, 19:42
some images added too
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakveng/content/gallery/224302.html

Amir
6th November 2005, 21:42
What an amazingly awful pitch you've managed to produce again.

You guys were getting home sickness and we wanted to make you feel right at home. So we made seaming wickets since we thought that is what you like?

AT1
6th November 2005, 22:07
Its A Miracle I Tell You, We Actually Have A Lead!!!

akpower
6th November 2005, 23:34
What an amazingly awful pitch you've managed to produce again.

typical english whining...

Billy
6th November 2005, 23:46
Sheez, there's no need to get your knickers in a twist over a post that pretty much told the truth and a cheeky comment about the Rosebowl practice pitch.

The pitch obviously wasn't a minefield but if it had happened to Pakistan in England no doubt you'd be up in arms and accusing the ECB of sabotage. Luckily I don't think that will be the case as the ECB have certainly made an increased effort to provide teams with satisfactory practice games.

Waqar's inswinging yorker
7th November 2005, 00:08
here is an odd theory - even if we do produce pitches like this - assuming similar performances, we can add likes of inzi,yk and moyo to our batting and strengthen it and our bowling!

HAFRIDI
7th November 2005, 02:17
just saw this now, well done mo asif!!

ZM
18th November 2005, 00:04
yup :(. We'll save him for the proper opposition in February. We won't risk him for this bunch of jokers.

bunch of jokers eh? :21: :D

z10
18th November 2005, 00:05
rofl

Rob H
18th November 2005, 00:08
bunch of jokers eh? :21: :D
Yeah, i wouldn't risk him for Pakistan A. Would you?

Easa
18th November 2005, 16:41
they beat you, loser