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SAM'S
26th November 2010, 02:50
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Poison
26th November 2010, 02:52
inb4 insaaniyat/saeed-sohail say Afridi is crap/shaitan/dajjal/etc

Paradox
26th November 2010, 02:55
:))) Poison

Down2Earth
26th November 2010, 02:55
afridi averages 26 and that's after two centuries, wow that's crap going.

IT_Khumbee
26th November 2010, 02:56
afridi averages 26 and that's after two centuries, wow that's crap going.

Africi 2 100s equal Younis 4 50's.... :yk

kingusama92
26th November 2010, 02:56
Oh the mediocrity.

Can't see the positives in this comparison. Such awful records for both.

Kind of like comparing who is worse.

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:04
Africi 2 100s equal Younis 4 50's.... :yk

would prefer 4 50's to 2 fluke 100s:)

SAM'S
26th November 2010, 03:04
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insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:07
i hope you are aware that Afridi comes lower down the order and is not in the team as a specialist batsman.

He is not a specialist batsman, bowler, fielder, or the captain. Then what is he doing in the team? A wasted space

kingusama92
26th November 2010, 03:07
i hope you are aware that Afridi comes lower down the order and is not in the team as a specialist batsman.

You make it sound like I come from Mars. :))

Two batting records were posted and I commented on them.

What do you want me to say? Afridi's record is fantastic?

Afridi_Fan
26th November 2010, 03:11
Can we really stop this comparison, and for a change start to back both of them for Pakistan.

If not, God everyone knows on which side I am. :afridi

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:12
^ I support you, Rameez Bhai:)

Afridi_Fan
26th November 2010, 03:13
He is not a specialist batsman, bowler, fielder, or the captain. Then what is he doing in the team? A wasted space

And you are a waste of a poster. :akhtar

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:14
And you are a waste of a poster. :akhtar

Rameez Bhai ghusaa kam kiya karo:) not good for health

IT_Khumbee
26th November 2010, 03:14
would prefer 4 50's to 2 fluke 100s:)

I'll rather have a fluke player who have better average & S/R and can bowl 10 overs...:yk

Afridi_Fan
26th November 2010, 03:15
^ I support you, Rameez Bhai:)

No, you are here just to take your frustrration out on any player and your record tells that the player keeps on changing. First it was YK and now its Afridi. So enjoy your hatred ride, this is becoming annoying. :69:

W63L35
26th November 2010, 03:15
They both play for Pakistan and i shouldn't be comparing them but lately a number of posters here are bashing Afridi just to see YK as ODI captain. I hope they will shutup now.

Younis is a great test batsman....but unfortunately, with the kind of form he has of the late, he does not belong in ODI team.

Here is the list of all Paksitani batsmen since January 2009. As you can see, how poorly YK has performed;

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:16
I'll rather have a fluke player who have better average & S/R and can bowl 10 overs...:yk

ok me bad then, you must not have been talking about Afridi, because there is nothing special about him if u discard back stabbing.:)

Afridi_Fan
26th November 2010, 03:18
Rameez Bhai ghusaa kam kiya karo:) not good for health

ok me bad then, you must not have been talking about Afridi, because there is nothing special about him if u discard back stabbing.:)

Ok, ANY proof of the backstabbing or Afridi Backstabbed you in your dream?

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:18
Younis is a great test batsman....but unfortunately, with the kind of form he has of the late, he does not belong in ODI team.

Here is the list of all Paksitani batsmen since January 2009. As you can see, how poorly YK has performed;

That is surprising, because I would not have looked down there to look for YK. However, Afridi is very easily spotted, when i look at the bottom.

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:19
Ok, ANY proof of the backstabbing or Afridi Backstabbed you in your dream?

can you prove it otherwise?:)

Afridi_Fan
26th November 2010, 03:20
That is surprising, because I would not have looked down there to look for YK. However, Afridi is very easily spotted, when i look at the bottom.

Looked at the bottom?

:))) :))) :))) :)))

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:21
Looked at the bottom?

:))) :))) :))) :)))

shukar hansi tou aayee sarkar ko:)

Afridi_Fan
26th November 2010, 03:23
can you prove it otherwise?:)

Einstein, you are placing the allegations so you got to prove it. Thats how it works in NORMAL HUMAN WORLD, not sure about psychiatric world of yours.

W63L35
26th November 2010, 03:25
ok me bad then, you must not have been talking about Afridi, because there is nothing special about him

I am on the very on this forum who do not consider Afridi a specialist batsman and never expect a score more than a quick 25 or so from him.... but he is the best ODI and T20 bowler of the late;

Since January 1, 2009;
He is the highest wicket taker.
Sixth best average.
Third best E/R ...only behind Aamir and Ajmal.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets ;qualmin2=5;qualval2=wickets;size=200;spanmin1=01+ Jan+2009;spanval1=span;team=7;template=results;typ e=bowling



because there is nothing special about him if u discard back stabbing.:)

I thought, Malik had a Ph D in that subject!

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:25
Einstein, you are placing the allegations so you got to prove it. Thats how it works in NORMAL HUMAN WORLD, not sure about psychiatric world of yours.

aap bahot ghussa hotay ho yaar.

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:27
I am on the very on this forum who do not consider Afridi a specialist batsman and never expect a score more than a quick 25 or so from him.... but he is the best ODI and T20 bowler of the late;

Since January 1, 2009;
He is the highest wicket taker.
Sixth best average.
Third best E/R ...only behind Aamir and Ajmal.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets ;qualmin2=5;qualval2=wickets;size=200;spanmin1=01+ Jan+2009;spanval1=span;team=7;template=results;typ e=bowling




I thought, Malik had a Ph D in that subject!

I heard Malik learnt it from him. Afridi played a big role in removing Malik too just for his own gain. now they work together:)

W63L35
26th November 2010, 03:34
I heard Malik learnt it from him. Afridi played a big role in removing Malik too just for his own gain. now they work together:)

Professional rivalry, I guess.... :P

but joking aside, I don't anybody can prove what goes inside the dressing rooms and outside the cricket field. Politics has alway been parcel and package of any professional environment. Players revolted against when Miandad was captain. Happened again when Wasim Akram was captain. So, nothing new ... even if Malik or Afridi were guilty of playing politics.

But as a cricketer, you can not deny his value to the ODI and T20 team!

Poison
26th November 2010, 03:36
insaaniyat can deny anything W63L63. :afridi

W63L35
26th November 2010, 03:39
insaaniyat can deny anything W63L63. :afridi

Why do you think, he did not reply to my comments/stats about his bowling since Jan 2009 in ODIs? ;-)

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:40
Professional rivalry, I guess.... :P

but joking aside, I don't anybody can prove what goes inside the dressing rooms and outside the cricket field. Politics has alway been parcel and package of any professional environment. Players revolted against when Miandad was captain. Happened again when Wasim Akram was captain. So, nothing new ... even if Malik or Afridi were guilty of playing politics.

But as a cricketer, you can not deny his value to the ODI and T20 team!

In T20 I won't. :) My worry is world cup. I am afraid with Afridi as captain we won't even get into the qtr final. The only win I see is Kenya, Zombabwe and Canada. Against the rest he will choke.

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:44
Why do you think, he did not reply to my comments/stats about his bowling since Jan 2009 in ODIs? ;-)

truth cannot be denied:) Jack of all trade master of none, we call them allrounders:))

saeed-sohail
26th November 2010, 03:45
I have said it before YK didn't deserve an odi place this year but afridi did not deserve one through out his career.

W63L35
26th November 2010, 03:47
In T20 I won't. :) My worry is world cup.

So, you agree that Afridi can stay as the captain of T20 team? Good! :)


I am afraid with Afridi as captain we won't even get into the qtr final. The only win I see is Kenya, Zombabwe and Canada. Against the rest he will choke.

So, let me understand.... in ODIs you still want him as a player.. but not as a captain. Correct?

What issues do you see with him as a captain in ODIs? I mean, if he can lead T20 team, why can't he lead ODI team?

W63L35
26th November 2010, 03:51
truth cannot be denied:) Jack of all trade master of none, we call them allrounders:))

as I said earlier, I do not call him a batsman.... hence he is not an all-rounder in my books. He is just a bowler. If you call him an all rounder, that is YOUR fault..... not Afridi's! :P

One more time, here are his bowling stats. Can you deny them?

Since January 1, 2009;
He is the highest wicket taker.
Sixth best average.
Third best E/R ...only behind Aamir and Ajmal.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets ;qualmin2=5;qualval2=wickets;size=200;spanmin1=01+ Jan+2009;spanval1=span;team=7;template=results;typ e=bowling

saeed-sohail
26th November 2010, 03:51
W63L35 can you please give us afridi,s bowling stats for last 30 games.

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:52
W63L35^He is a good T20 player. I wouldn't want him as captain for anything. He would be the reason we won't gofar. He is one lucky fellow to be a pakistani. For any other country, he probably wouldn't have played more then 50 ODI's. You want my honest opinion. I rate him a better test player than ODI. But the guy is lazy doeasn't want to work hard for 5 days and throws his wickt away intentionally so he can quit Test cricket.

W63L35
26th November 2010, 03:56
W63L35 can you please give us afridi,s bowling stats for last 30 games.

Just for you, SS.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets ;qualmin1=5;qualval1=wickets;size=200;spanmin2=30+ Jul+2009;spanval2=span;team=7;template=results;typ e=bowling

SAM'S
26th November 2010, 03:56
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insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 03:58
in last 2-3 years whatever ODIs we won they were mainly because Afridi came and stabilized the ever falling run rate due to impotency of our top order specially YK.

Salam SAM saheb, bari dair kar dee mehbaan aatay aatay:)

saeed-sohail
26th November 2010, 03:59
So average of 36 is considered good now?As for being highest wicket taker plz look at number of games even Kapil dev held test record once.

GOAT
26th November 2010, 03:59
Can we really stop this comparison, and for a change start to back both of them for Pakistan.

If not, God everyone knows on which side I am. :afridi

lol indeed, whats the point in comparing a specialist batsmen and a bowling all rounder?

Or rather, whats the point in comparing two players who both probably shouldn't be in the ODI team?

saeed-sohail
26th November 2010, 04:04
Just for you, SS.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets ;qualmin1=5;qualval1=wickets;size=200;spanmin2=30+ Jul+2009;spanval2=span;team=7;template=results;typ e=bowling

Thanks mate.These stats show how poor he has been.Avg of 38 is pathetic.

W63L35
26th November 2010, 04:05
W63L35^He is a good T20 player. I wouldn't want him as captain for anything. He would be the reason we won't go far.

Fine.... I agree... may be he is not the best captain ... or he is even a pathetic captain.....but it is completely unfair to judge his captaincy because of wwhat happened in England. Give him a chance to prove himself, he may surprise us.



He is one lucky fellow to be a pakistani. For any other country, he probably wouldn't have played more then 50 ODI's.

Now you are just bashing him for the sake of bashing. Here, these are all spinners in ODI since January 1, 2009;
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=2;class=2;filter=advan ced;orderby=wickets;qualmin2=20;qualval2=wickets;s ize=200;spanmin1=01+Jan+2009;spanval1=span;templat e=results;type=bowling

Afridi has better E/R (runs/over) than Murali and Harbhajan.

You want my honest opinion. I rate him a better test player than ODI. But the guy is lazy doeasn't want to work hard for 5 days and throws his wickt away intentionally so he can quit Test cricket.

This is where I totally disagree with you. You are EXPECTING him to score runs.... and I don't consider him a batsman at all. He is just an entertainer who entertains with his slogging.

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 04:05
in last 2-3 years whatever ODIs we won they were mainly because Afridi came and stabilized the ever falling run rate due to impotency of our top order specially YK.

His last three years

2010 2 100's 0 50's
2009 0 100's 1 50's
2008 0 100's 1 50's

And you call that Afridi stabilized the inning?

Only in Pakistan he get to play let alone be a captain

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 04:09
Fine.... I agree... may be he is not the best captain ... or he is even a pathetic captain.....but it is completely unfair to judge his captaincy because of wwhat happened in England. Give him a chance to prove himself, he may surprise us.



Now you are just bashing him for the sake of bashing. Here, these are all spinners in ODI since January 1, 2009;
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=2;class=2;filter=advan ced;orderby=wickets;qualmin2=20;qualval2=wickets;s ize=200;spanmin1=01+Jan+2009;spanval1=span;templat e=results;type=bowling

Afridi has better E/R (runs/over) than Murali and Harbhajan.


This is where I totally disagree with you. You are EXPECTING him to score runs.... and I don't consider him a batsman at all. He is just an entertainer who entertains with his slogging.

Can't say much on that. sixers are good in hong kong. But when 180 miilions people's emotion rides on sometyhing then it is more then entertainment. World cup is one of those event, where slogging is not for the person in charge.

W63L35
26th November 2010, 04:09
Thanks mate.These stats show how poor he has been.Avg of 38 is pathetic.

I have sorted the same list by E/R (runs/over);
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=economy _rate;qualmin1=5;qualval1=wickets;size=200;spanmin 2=30+Jul+2009;spanval2=span;team=7;template=result s;type=bowling

In ODIs, taking wicket and Econ Rate are equally important! He has one of the best E/R in ODIs. Even if does not take wickets, he frustrate batsmen with his E/R and the batsmen get out to the bowlers at the other end.

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 04:15
W63L35, if we are so stuck up on entertainment, Afridi should join the cricket version of Harlem Globetrotters, they entetain there fans, but they don't play real basketball.:)

saeed-sohail
26th November 2010, 04:16
You do realise that he doesn't bowl in PPs.

W63L35
26th November 2010, 04:16
Can't say much on that. sixers are good in hong kong. But when 180 miilions people's emotion rides on sometyhing then it is more then entertainment. World cup is one of those event, where slogging is not for the person in charge.

I am going to repeat myself about third time in this thread.

It is the fault of the 180 million people, fans, and media who EXPECT him to score like YK, Yousaf and Inzi....... let me break a big news to you.... he is no YK, Yousuf, Inzi or any other 1-6 specialist batsman! Stop treating him like them.

I only expect first six specialist batsment to score and then wait for him to score a quick 20-30 runs....with a couple of sixes....that all!!! If I get more than that.... then it is just a bounus!

Stop treating him a specialist batsman, you'll like him! :P

W63L35
26th November 2010, 04:17
You do realise that he doesn't bowl in PPs.

Your point is?

Poison
26th November 2010, 04:17
You do realise that he doesn't bowl in PPs.

Nice irrelevant and largely untruthful point thrown in. :raja

W63L35
26th November 2010, 04:21
W63L35, if we are so stuck up on entertainment, Afridi should join the cricket version of Harlem Globetrotters, they entetain there fans, but they don't play real basketball.:)

No, I am not as stuck as you are.... for hating him for sake of hating! :P

You want him to bat like Inzi, Yousuf, YK, Ponting, Dravid, Sachin......then it is your fault. He never did that and will never do that.

He was a bowler, is a bowler, and will remain a bowler.

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 04:21
I am going to repeat myself about third time in this thread.

It is the fault of the 180 million people, fans, and media who EXPECT him to score like YK, Yousaf and Inzi....... let me break a big news to you.... he is no YK, Yousuf, Inzi or any other 1-6 specialist batsman! Stop treating him like them.

I only expect first six specialist batsment to score and then wait for him to score a quick 20-30 runs....with a couple of sixes....that all!!! If I get more than that.... then it is just a bounus!Stop treating him a specialist batsman, you'd like him! :P

Then I have no argument with you. :) And here I thought he was considered above average player. me bad:)

Afridi_Fan
26th November 2010, 04:23
:yawn:

W63L35
26th November 2010, 04:27
Then I have no argument with you. :)

Good.


And here I thought he was considered above average player. me bad:)

Just showed you he was one of the best ODI spinner in the world since January 1, 2008.... with a E/R better than Murali and Harbhjan.

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 04:28
To W63L35, peace, hope Pakistan wins it all in the world cup.

Afridi_Fan
26th November 2010, 04:30
Just showed you he was one of the best ODI spinner in the world since January 1, 2008.... with a E/R better than Murali and Harbhjan.

You know W63L35, for some fans E.R and Strike rate are just not important stats when it comes to Afridi.

W63L35
26th November 2010, 04:32
To W63L35, peace, hope Pakistan wins it all in the world cup.

:19:

That is the spirit!!! ................. Afridi like, spirit! :P

With out Aaimr, all I hope is that we do well..... and not just roll over and play dead!

W63L35
26th November 2010, 04:34
You know W63L35, for some fans E.R and Strike rate are just not important stats when it comes to Afridi.

If a fan thinks E/R is not important in ODI and T20, he does not know cricket then.

SAM'S
26th November 2010, 04:58
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Afridi_Fan
26th November 2010, 05:01
You guys are really taking all these comparisons seriously. :)))

Good, Good. Lagey raho. :inti

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 05:23
Afridi stats in last 3 years for the matches that Pakistan won

<b>Batting Stats</b>
<b>Matches</b>= 29
<b>Runs</b>= 641
<b>Highest Score</b>= 124
<b>Average</b>= 37.70
<b>Strike Rate</b>= 142.44
<b>100's</b>= 1
<b>50's</b>= 2
<b>Fours</b>= 53
<b>Sixes</b>= 23


<b>Bowling Stats</b>
<b>Matches</b>= 29
<b>Wickets</b>= 47
<b>Economy Rate</b>= 4.55
<b>Average</b>= 26.04
<b>Strike Rate</b>= 34.3

insaaniyat bhai now do some research before you open your mouth just for the sake of hatred

I checked it too. on those wins,

8 against BD
5 against Zimbabwe
1 against hong kong

Now tell me how many loses he caused us in that period. Yaar you can love him as much as you want but don't glorify him by manuplating the stats. He is an average player. And only in Pakistan players like that get to play that many matches, in other coutries he would have been history..

SAM'S
26th November 2010, 05:35
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Afridi_Fan
26th November 2010, 05:45
:))) :))) :))) :)))

This is getting insane.

:))) :))) :))) :)))

Black Zero
26th November 2010, 07:14
Nice irrelevant and largely untruthful point thrown in. :raja

ss's point is to counter er.

more fielders to save chookay on afridi's bowling...hence low er.
poor ajmal had been asked to bowl in death...so presented data missing context.

s.h.a.k
26th November 2010, 08:14
Never rated younis as and odi player and espacially batting at 3, we wont win the world cup with this guy at 3 and afridi should cum 3 maybe himself like in the 200 t20 world cup.

AZ
26th November 2010, 08:33
pretty stupid comparison, I must say.

one's largely a bowler, other's a pure batsman.

would be interesting if they swapped positions, Afridi to come at 3 and YK holding it together at 6.

YK before did not have the power game, but he's developed that and IMO could be good lower down the order.

s.h.a.k
26th November 2010, 08:36
yeh younis would be better lower dont instead soming at 3 and hitting everball straight in the fielders hands. atleast fielders will be pushed back then and would be able to rotate the strike easier.

sanakazmi
26th November 2010, 08:48
Serious question: Are there any posters here who are fans of both Afridi and Younis?

IMMY69
26th November 2010, 08:59
people here have extremely short memories...

YK has been extremely poor in Odi's since that start of 2009 but there maybe some mitigating circumstances as to why his performances dipped...

However, I would like someone to pull up his ODI stats from between 2006 and 2009 and see how they compare with his team mates..

Afridi on the other hand, and until recently, has been a superb ODI bowler and whose fielding has always been top notch! On this alone he deserves his spot in the team and if anything he becomes a pivotal player for Pakistan.

Battingwise, I hate Afridi. WHY? Because he has undoubted talent with the bat but has never fully utilised his ability. So far in his career, he has literally thrown it all away which is a cardinal sin as far as I'm concerned! Anyway, I am hoping that the Worldcup will being the best out of him and there's no doubting his ability. If he can get his brain into gear (hard task!) then anything is possible.

GOAT
26th November 2010, 11:54
Serious question: Are there any posters here who are fans of both Afridi and Younis?

There can't be anyone who likes them equally. One is an old school Test fighter, the other is a no frills entertaining six hitter. To like the two equally is to... defy the laws of physics themselves! :afridi :yk

sanakazmi
26th November 2010, 12:04
There can't be anyone who likes them equally. One is an old school Test fighter, the other is a no frills entertaining six hitter. To like the two equally is to... defy the laws of physics themselves! :afridi :yk

Well, I didn't say equally, but it seems like most of the people on here feel like they must bash one of them if they're fans of the other.

Kray_jackson7
26th November 2010, 12:19
inb4 insaaniyat/saeed-sohail say afridi is crap/shaitan/dajjal/etc

:))) :))) :)))

Proud To Be A Pakistani
26th November 2010, 12:22
they both need to click for us .... we need them to click in WC

Afridi_Fan
26th November 2010, 12:24
they both need to click for us .... we need them to click in WC

Finally a sane poster.

:bow:

1137moiz
26th November 2010, 14:10
I like both of em...Younus was in painful form in 2009 one-days though I was impressed by his batting in the SL tour (no form, but knuckled down in the last 4 matches to score decently), while Afridi has been pretty good this year with the bat but has flopped with the ball.

shaaan
26th November 2010, 15:19
i'm not manipulating any stats, they are wide open.

by the way your favorite/******** player scored his first ODI hundred after 4 1/2 years of mediocre cricket and guess who was the victim? you guessed it right, it was the mighty Hong Kong.
SAM - if you think insaniyaat is YK fans then you have to go back andjust look at insaniyaat posts on YK :).....

Insaniyaat bhai...long time since I have seen you write on this forum.

As for the comparison, We cannot compare the two. As AZ said one is an allrounder and one is a batsmen.

YK was quite good until the beginning of 2009. Although in 2009 he did quite well in Srilanka and after that things went downhill for him. Several factors could count for this (fractured finger and playing ODIs, team mutiny etc). I like the way he played against SA in the recently concluded series. Hopefully he continue to get his form back.

I like Afridi as well as long as he doesn;t throw one of his brainfarts (which he does quite often).

We need both of them in top form if we are to compete and win the world cup.

FastBowler
26th November 2010, 20:23
I like Younus Khan more than Afridi but this is just very bad rom Younus Khan. Afridi isn't doing anything very special, but he's definitely been far superior to Younus in this period from these stats.

cric
26th November 2010, 20:28
would prefer 4 50's to 2 fluke 100s:)

yes strike rate of around 50's

cricket_fever
26th November 2010, 20:31
Can we really stop this comparison, and for a change start to back both of them for Pakistan.

If not, God everyone knows on which side I am. :afridi

really, well said, i m getting sick of stuff like these, especially these comparisons between YK and Afridi, and ppl wasting their time trying to prove one better than the other, point is both anre pak players, we need both of them, well and functioning for pakistan to do well..

cricket_fever
26th November 2010, 20:33
You know W63L35, for some fans E.R and Strike rate are just not important stats when it comes to Afridi.

double standards yeah :) :afridi

insaaniyat
26th November 2010, 20:55
SAM - if you think insaniyaat is YK fans then you have to go back andjust look at insaniyaat posts on YK :).....

Insaniyaat bhai...long time since I have seen you write on this forum.

As for the comparison, We cannot compare the two. As AZ said one is an allrounder and one is a batsmen.

YK was quite good until the beginning of 2009. Although in 2009 he did quite well in Srilanka and after that things went downhill for him. Several factors could count for this (fractured finger and playing ODIs, team mutiny etc). I like the way he played against SA in the recently concluded series. Hopefully he continue to get his form back.

I like Afridi as well as long as he doesn;t throw one of his brainfarts (which he does quite often).
We need both of them in top form if we are to compete and win the world cup.

Shaan Bhai kaise ho. And he will do it again.

deadly_man2
27th November 2010, 13:25
Here is what Younis Khan has done since January 2009:

<b>Matches</b>= 29
<b>Runs</b>= 635
<b>Highest Score</b>= 89
<b>Average</b>= 21.89
<b>Strike Rate</b>= 61.11
<b>100's</b>= 0
<b>50's</b>= 4
<b>Fours</b>= 50
<b>Sixes</b>= 0

Considering the above stats and worldcup just around the corner, it looks like Younis Khan has been nothing more than a liability to the team.

Off late Yonis Khan has been compared to Afridi a lot and a lot of people are trying to prove how awful Afridi is or has been for the team. Now here are some Afridi stats for the same period of matches:


<b>Matches</b>= 38
<b>Runs</b>= 914
<b>Highest Score</b>= 124
<b>Average</b>= 26.88
<b>Strike Rate</b>= 127.83
<b>100's</b>= 2
<b>50's</b>= 1
<b>Fours</b>= 85
<b>Sixes</b>= 32

Afridi bats lower down the order where his role is to capitalize on the start provided by the top order but it looks like that all he has been doing is to clean up the mess created by YK and Co.
There is not a hell lot of difference between the batting averages but Afridi's strike rate is 2 times of YK.
Do i need to mention the 46 wickets Afridi took?

They both play for Pakistan and i shouldn't be comparing them but lately a number of posters here are bashing Afridi just to see YK as ODI captain. I hope they will shutup now.


Any special reason for choosing the filter from jan 2009. I think I know why.

I just went to crickinfo and pulled the record for both player for last 3 years. here are the stats
Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St
2008-2010 57 1192 124 26.48 2 76 6/38 33.07 1 12 0
2008-2010 47 1500 123* 33.33 3 1 1/3 133.00 0 25 0

and please. only children below age 15 can compare yunis with Afridi

IM NOT YOU
27th November 2010, 14:08
Any special reason for choosing the filter from jan 2009. I think I know why.

I just went to crickinfo and pulled the record for both player for last 3 years. here are the stats
Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St
2008-2010 57 1192 124 26.48 2 76 6/38 33.07 1 12 0
2008-2010 47 1500 123* 33.33 3 1 1/3 133.00 0 25 0

and please. only children below age 15 can compare yunis with Afridi





ACTUALLY, the comparison was made (PLEASE REFER TO OPENING POST)



why since jan 09? BECAUSE THAT IS TWO YEARS AGO.




why not 3 years ago? why not 4 years ago? why not 5?


because that would be irrelevant. generally speaking, it is acceptable for one to use the last 1-2 years to assess the performance of a batsman, as a benchmark to his current standing.


for one to bring up the stats of over 4 years ago just wouldnt make sense, as some players develop and others fall off, due to various factors such as age, complacency, etc.




oh and final point for you YOUNUS KHAN LOVERBOYS:

lets suppose you want to go back beyond the last 2 years...heres a pop quiz: WHO played all three games in the world cup 2007? thats right fanboys, it was younus khan

how did he perform? terrible.

saeed-sohail
27th November 2010, 15:45
ACTUALLY, the comparison was made (PLEASE REFER TO OPENING POST)



why since jan 09? BECAUSE THAT IS TWO YEARS AGO.




why not 3 years ago? why not 4 years ago? why not 5?


because that would be irrelevant. generally speaking, it is acceptable for one to use the last 1-2 years to assess the performance of a batsman, as a benchmark to his current standing.


for one to bring up the stats of over 4 years ago just wouldnt make sense, as some players develop and others fall off, due to various factors such as age, complacency, etc.




oh and final point for you YOUNUS KHAN LOVERBOYS:

lets suppose you want to go back beyond the last 2 years...heres a pop quiz: WHO played all three games in the world cup 2007? thats right fanboys, it was younus khan

how did he perform? terrible.

He was not the only one.But like a man took responsibilty and refused to accept captaincy saying"After my performance in WC I am not sure I deserve a place in ODI side let alone being captain".
He went on to be our best ODI batsman over next 20 months.

farazaidi
27th November 2010, 15:51
I guess the sole reason to create the OP was to rant about YK and his ODI record, childish comparison otherwise!

Even funnier is the fact that OP is praising Afridi's captaincy with that. LOL, thats the highlight I tell you! :23:

JibranAnsari
27th November 2010, 16:49
younis khan has played really well in the matches pakistan has won in last three years

24 matches 1093 runs averaging 49.68 with three hundreds and 5 50s

afridi and younis khan , both need to fire big time in world cup.

SAM'S
28th November 2010, 02:54
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insaaniyat
28th November 2010, 03:05
This thread is the highlight of YK's true worth to Pakistan's ODI side.

comparing YK with a gulli danda player is just childish.

SAM'S
28th November 2010, 03:09
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insaaniyat
28th November 2010, 03:11
comparison or no comparison, truth is that Yk has been rubbish ODI player.

and Mr. Me?:) 22 ave player is way better?:)) com'n yaar be reasonable

Black Zero
28th November 2010, 03:23
and Mr. Me?:) 22 ave player is way better?:)) com'n yaar be reasonable

http://www.reliancemobileiccrankings.com/playerdisplay/odi/all-rounder/?id=2237&graph=ranking

SAM'S
28th November 2010, 03:24
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insaaniyat
28th November 2010, 03:27
in last 2 years YK (the specialist one down batsman) couldn't even better that mere 22 average.

and your gulli danda player sure has been very consistent with that average for 16 years:)) Only in Pakistan losers get to play that long and that is the reason we are where we are. Sad and sorry state.

insaaniyat
28th November 2010, 03:28
http://www.reliancemobileiccrankings.com/playerdisplay/odi/all-rounder/?id=2237&graph=ranking

yaar tum bhi?:) I expected beter from you

Black Zero
28th November 2010, 04:59
yaar tum bhi?:) I expected beter from you

I was against him around 4/5 years back..when he had a poultry business..n then he started performing...and contributed well...
Though he is not a captain material... :malik

saeed-sohail
28th November 2010, 05:34
Match awards Award Bat1 Wkts Conc Ct St Opposition Ground Start Date
1.player of the match 56* - - 0 0 v Australia Melbourne (Docklands) 15 Jun 2002 ODI # 1844
2.player of the match 56* - - 0 0 v Sri Lanka Tangier 14 Aug 2002 ODI # 1861
3.player of the match 87* - - 0 0 v Kenya Nairobi (Gym) 1 Sep 2002 ODI # 1869
4.player of the match 90 1 24 4 0 v Zimbabwe Harare 1 Dec 2002 ODI # 1907
5.player of the match 77 - - 0 0 v Zimbabwe Peshawar 3 Oct 2004 ODI # 2184
6.player of the match 71* - - 0 0 v India Abu Dhabi 18 Apr 2006 ODI # 2363
7.player of the match 101 - - 0 0 v England Southampton 5 Sep 2006 ODI # 2410
8.player of the match 93 - - 3 0 v South Africa Durban 7 Feb 2007 ODI # 2513
9.player of the match 117 - - 0 0 v India Mohali 8 Nov 2007 ODI # 2644
10.player of the match 63 - - 0 0 v Zimbabwe Sheikhupura 2 Feb 2008 ODI # 2669
11.player of the match 108 - - 1 0 v India Dhaka 14 Jun 2008 ODI # 2707
12.player of the match 123* - - 0 0 v India Karachi 2 Jul 2008 ODI # 2730
13.player of the match 101 - - 1 0 v West Indies Abu Dhabi 16 Nov 2008 ODI # 2776
14.player of the match 73 - - 0 0 v South Africa Dubai 5 Nov 2010 ODI # 3067



Match awards Award Bat1 Wkts Conc Ct St Opposition Ground Start Date
1player of the match 102 1 43 0 0 v Sri Lanka Nairobi (Gym) 4 Oct 1996 ODI # 1125
2player of the match 66 0 38 0 0 v Zimbabwe Lahore 1 Nov 1996 ODI # 1135
3player of the match 109 0 34 0 0 v India Toronto 19 Sep 1998 ODI # 1352
4player of the match 58 2 6 0 0 v Sri Lanka Sharjah 18 Oct 1999 ODI # 1516
5player of the match 69 2 35 0 0 v Zimbabwe St John's 5 Apr 2000 ODI # 1586
6player of the match 61 5 40 0 0 v England Lahore 27 Oct 2000 ODI # 1649
7player of the match 70 2 49 0 0 v New Zealand Sharjah 12 Apr 2001 ODI # 1707
8player of the match 67 2 21 0 0 v Zimbabwe Sharjah 28 Oct 2001 ODI # 1768
9player of the match 83 2 38 0 0 v Bangladesh Dhaka 25 Jan 2002 ODI # 1794
10player of the match 108* 0 19 0 0 v New Zealand Sharjah 15 Apr 2002 ODI # 1831
11player of the match 55* 3 18 0 0 v Netherlands Colombo (SSC) 21 Sep 2002 ODI # 1883
12player of the match 3 5 11 1 0 v Kenya Birmingham 14 Sep 2004 ODI # 2174
13player of the match 102 0 33 0 0 v India Kanpur 15 Apr 2005 ODI # 2239
14player of the match 56 0 35 0 0 v West Indies Gros Islet 22 May 2005 ODI # 2248
15player of the match 1 3 37 0 0 v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 22 Mar 2006 ODI # 2354
16player of the match 73* 0 43 0 0 v Sri Lanka Abu Dhabi 18 May 2007 ODI # 2584
17player of the match 32 3 37 2 0 v South Africa Faisalabad 23 Oct 2007 ODI # 2637
18player of the match 85 1 60 0 0 v Zimbabwe Multan 27 Jan 2008 ODI # 2665
19player of the match 24 6 38 0 0 v Australia Dubai 22 Apr 2009 ODI # 2845
20player of the match 70 2 46 0 0 v New Zealand Abu Dhabi 3 Nov 2009 ODI # 2921
21player of the match 109 1 43 0 0 v Sri Lanka Dambulla 15 Jun 2010 ODI # 2991
player of the match 124 1 54 0 0 v Bangladesh Dambulla 21 Jun 2010 ODI # 2998


Now Afridi has 21 MOM awards in 306 games.That is 14.57 games per award.
YK has 14 awards in 207 games@14.78 games per award.
Now Afridi is supposedly a match winner with the bat and ball hence has far greater chance to influence the game.
YK is an ODI "failure" who does not bowl.

This stat shows how there is little to seperate them as match winners.Another thing to keep in mindYK has gone through worst 18 months in his ODI career and Afridi is enjoying best form of his life.

iafzal
28th November 2010, 06:09
people here have extremely short memories...

YK has been extremely poor in Odi's since that start of 2009 but there maybe some mitigating circumstances as to why his performances dipped...

However, I would like someone to pull up his ODI stats from between 2006 and 2009 and see how they compare with his team mates..Afridi on the other hand, and until recently, has been a superb ODI bowler and whose fielding has always been top notch! On this alone he deserves his spot in the team and if anything he becomes a pivotal player for Pakistan.

Battingwise, I hate Afridi. WHY? Because he has undoubted talent with the bat but has never fully utilised his ability. So far in his career, he has literally thrown it all away which is a cardinal sin as far as I'm concerned! Anyway, I am hoping that the Worldcup will being the best out of him and there's no doubting his ability. If he can get his brain into gear (hard task!) then anything is possible.

good points!!

saeed-sohail
28th November 2010, 06:19
Pakistan ODI batting 2006-2008.


Start of match date between 1 jan 2006 and 31 dec 2008


Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
Mohammad Yousuf 2006-2008 59 55 12 2142 117 49.81 2859 74.92 4 14 0 189 8

Younis Khan 2006-2008 55 54 5 2097 123* 42.79 2557 82.01 5 14 5 191 24

Shoaib Malik 2006-2008 63 59 9 2026 125* 40.52 2458 82.42 2 14 3 178 26

Salman Butt 2006-2008 34 34 2 1368 136 42.75 1697 80.61 5 6 6 169 6

Kamran Akmal 2006-2008 57 49 6 975 100 22.67 1211 80.51 1 2 4 112 12

Misbah-ul-Haq 2007-2008 31 27 6 918 79* 43.71 963 95.32 0 5 0 65 18

Shahid Afridi 2006-2008 52 45 7 752 85 19.78 564 133.33 0 3 4 57 35

Look at the above and shut up.

Inzamam-ul-Haq 2006-2007 27 24 4 598 79 29.90 855 69.94 0 1 1 56 8

SAM'S
28th November 2010, 06:32
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zulfiqar
28th November 2010, 06:35
Younis is a great test batsman....but unfortunately, with the kind of form he has of the late, he does not belong in ODI team.

Here is the list of all Paksitani batsmen since January 2009. As you can see, how poorly YK has performed;

That is such a depressing table... I hope we're not going to become whipping boys come WC :S

zulfiqar
28th November 2010, 06:38
Also, even though I've never been a fan of YK being in our ODI team (I've always thought Shoaib Malik is the better 1-down batsman), who else can come in his place other than Shoaib Malik himself? I think if PCB gives Malik a chance in the ODI team as a 1-down or 2-down batsman in coming ODIs he might prove helpful, especially in India/Bangla where he probably has an awesome batting record (someone check?). The only thing is the disrupted dressing room he brings with him is something we can do without... especially at an event like the WC where everyone must be united to play to their full potential. Malik is a better bats than YK in ODI (especially on flat tracks and as a 1-down), that part is for sure... but is it worth having him in the team with all the crap he brings with him?

Blitz
28th November 2010, 07:30
Any sane person would say niether should be in the team :inzi

Atif
28th November 2010, 08:14
They are both effective batsmen, doesnt matter how many runs they have scored in the last 2 years...all that can change very quickly..

cricket_fever
28th November 2010, 10:49
and your gulli danda player sure has been very consistent with that average for 16 years:)) Only in Pakistan losers get to play that long and that is the reason we are where we are. Sad and sorry state.

did you ever hear/read what woolmer had to say on afridis "exclusions" years back then when he was left out of squads? something to the effect that, other countries wished they had a player like afridi, and made sure afridi was brought in to the squad? if only pakistanis are losers enough than what about those other countries according to woolmer? arent they bigger "losers" according to your statement? by saying pakistan are losers you regard other countries as winners and are contradicting your self right there

:afridi