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insaftak

11th January 2011, 18:53

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So can anyone from Karachi Tell us more about Machar Colony and politics of that area. There is no video footage of Imran's address in Machar Colony yet.

atif.raza

11th January 2011, 18:55

there seem to be like 500 people present in the rallies. Imran needs to bring out thousands to get mass votes from there

insaftak

11th January 2011, 18:57

there seem to be like 500 people present in the rallies. Imran needs to bring out thousands to get mass votes from there

The organization in Karachi is weak. The rallies in KPK and Punjab are big. it would be hard for us to snatch Karachi away from MQM and ANP.

insaftak

11th January 2011, 19:04

Today Jan 8 2011, RO South Sindh Ashraf Qureshi and the leadership of Karachi had a press conference at Karachi Press Club with Naem Shaikh and his cabinet. Where Naem Shaikh announced that he and his members and cabinet is impressed by Imran Khan and the message of PTI so they have decided to work under the umbrella of PTI. They have joined PTI, They will work very hard to spread the message of PTI in Karachi.

http://insaf.pk/News/tabid/60/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/5470/Pasbaan-general-secretary-joins-PTI-in-Karachi.aspx

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Khabri420

11th January 2011, 19:27

Was the Sindh PTI president at the rally? That's all I care about...he's the freaking man!

insaftak

11th January 2011, 19:29

Was the Sindh PTI president at the rally? That's all I care about...he's the freaking man!

he is in the last pic. you could see his head :)))

kkmix

11th January 2011, 19:46

Good for Imran but still noone other than Imran himself..

suhaib

11th January 2011, 19:49

how often does imran go to karachi and has he been anywhere in sindh other than karachi?

jaspa888

11th January 2011, 19:55

insaftak

11th January 2011, 20:01

how often does imran go to karachi and has he been anywhere in sindh other than karachi?

Not often enough. He was in Karachi Last year and also visited Rural Sindh but this time he stayed in Karachi for 3 days. He did meet some Sindhi Leaders in Karachi. Too many places for Imran Khan to go. His next visit is in Peshawar on 13th.

insaftak

11th January 2011, 20:03

He wont get anywhere in Karachi.

The populace have long memeories, and remember him bringing back the WC in 1992 when the plane landed in Karachi, but Imran refused to bring out the trophy to the waiting thousands at the airport because he wanted to show it to the Lahore public first instead.

I'm too young to remember the 1992 world cup or Imran Khan/Javed Miandad Rivalry.

His plan to build a cancer hospital in karachi might change the views of people.

jaspa888

11th January 2011, 20:09

I'm too young to remember the 1992 world cup or Imran Khan/Javed Miandad Rivalry.

His plan to build a cancer hospital in karachi might change the views of people.

I wasnt in KHI in 1992 either, but that story has been told to me on so many occasions whenever I raise Imrans's name in any political discussion.

Re. Hospital, perhaps mate, but Imran is not politically savvy enough for cynical folks of Karachi.

He may get more joy in rural parts of Sindh with disaffected PPP voters though.

cricketkhan88

11th January 2011, 20:15

He wont get anywhere in Karachi.

The populace have long memeories, and remember him bringing back the WC in 1992 when the plane landed in Karachi, but Imran refused to bring out the trophy to the waiting thousands at the airport because he wanted to show it to the Lahore public first instead.

lol I never knew that......no wonder he sucks so bad in Sindh.........

insaftak

11th January 2011, 23:56

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Imran Khan inaugurating ISF Khi Membership Drive (10th Jan 2010)

ShehryarK

12th January 2011, 05:35

He may get more joy in rural parts of Sindh with disaffected PPP voters though. That demographic, the "disaffected PPP voter in rural interior Sindh", doesn't really exist - not in any meaningful way.

And those that do have various other Sindhi alternatives to vote for.

kkmix

12th January 2011, 05:39

lol I never knew that......no wonder he sucks so bad in Sindh.........

Plus he hasn't done much social work in Sindh, so he isn't very popular.

insaftak

22nd February 2011, 19:15

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Imran Khan addressing students of IOBM/CBM in Karachi.

kaalakawaa

22nd February 2011, 19:34

insaftak

22nd February 2011, 19:39

What the hell Instkaf?

There are only females present there. Do your really think they are there inspired by Imran vision or because they follow PTI?

No. They are there because they swoon over Imran. Heck my own Mother who normally votes for PML-N goes crazy when she sees Imran!

What a poor picture. Imran needs to mobilize the jaahil common man in Karachi like ZAB did. OF COURSE the educated females will always support Imran, regardless of his policies/ideas/beliefs

He has a khoobsurat face and is a charming guy. He can just stand there quiet and not utter a word and will still get the females votes!!

:))) :))) :)))

Guys are sitting on the other side bro. Imran Khan is trying to mobilize the students and then let them do his work.

I completely agree with you onImran Khan's charming personality being one of the reasons why women are probably the biggest supporters of TI after students.

kaalakawaa

22nd February 2011, 19:44

:))) :))) :)))

Guys are sitting on the other side bro. Imran Khan is trying to mobilize the students and then let them do his work.

I completely agree with you onImran Khan's charming personality being one of the reasons why women are probably the biggest supporters of TI after students.

My sister was 7 a few years ago. Had not hit puberty but she would drop her toys as soon as she would see Imran on TV.

Something is seriously wrong about this guy. Every parent should ask their daughter to do full-face naqaab when appearing before him.

Invictus

22nd February 2011, 19:44

What the hell Instkaf?

There are only females present there. Do your really think they are there inspired by Imran vision or because they follow PTI?

No. They are there because they swoon over Imran. Heck my own Mother who normally votes for PML-N goes crazy when she sees Imran!

What a poor picture. Imran needs to mobilize the jaahil common man in Karachi like ZAB did. OF COURSE the educated females will always support Imran, regardless of his policies/ideas/beliefs

He has a khoobsurat face and is a charming guy. He can just stand there quiet and not utter a word and will still get the females votes!!

That is the part Khan Sahib is not getting. He is trying to build his vote bank on middle class/urban city dwellers and the youth. He doesn't understand or maybe for some other reason does not realize that in Pakistan that does not get you any seats/power. The middle class in Pakistan is shrinking and it does not vote. Neither does the youth vote. Elections in Pakistan are won by having your vote bank in the rest of the 60 %. That's what Bhutto did rootie, kapra aur makan wasn't designed for the middle class. They had all that already.
Imran Khan's is either extremely naive or his learning curve in politics is much steeper then expected.

kaalakawaa

22nd February 2011, 19:49

That is the part Khan Sahib is not getting. He is trying to build his vote bank on middle class/urban city dwellers and the youth. He doesn't understand or maybe for some other reason does not realize that in Pakistan that does not get you any seats/power. The middle class in Pakistan is shrinking and it does not vote. Neither does the youth vote. Elections in Pakistan are won by having your vote bank in the rest of the 60 %. That's what Bhutto did rootie, kapra aur makan wasn't designed for the middle class. They had all that already.
Imran Khan's is either extremely naive or his learning curve in politics is much steeper then expected.

well i am not sure if this is true anymore. I guarentee to you that youth will come out in HUGE NUMBERS in next election to give votes

I am in Canada today but i will ABSOLUTELY be in Lahore during elections to vote for Imran. I have never voted before. I think the Pakistani youth are very politically active today, believe in democracy and can't wait to vote.

And same with Middle class

But i agree that most of the population is under middle class level and Imran does not have their votes

What the hell is he trying to achieve by rallying in colleges? Instkaf, give him this breaking news. 85% PAKISTANI YOUTH WILL VOTE FOR HIM, REGARDLESS OF THE FACT IF HE VISITS COLLEGES OR NOT

He needs to be in the smaller areas and mobilize the poverty stricken public who usually vote only for PML-N or PPP. That's what he needs to do to come in power. He needs to earn their trust and votes. Not to try to win the remaining 15% of the youth who are too rich to care!

Invictus

22nd February 2011, 20:18

I agree with you in regards to Imran Khan needs to break the a substantial chunk of both PP and PML (N)'s vote bank to have an impact.
In respect to the youth vote I am not sure. Me personally I am not in touch with the actual majority youth vote bank. Not the middle class, university going educated vote bank. I am talking about the majority of the un-educated villages/small city vote bank which struggles to put food on the table. I see allot of hype around Imran on TV and in over sea's Pakistani's but when I go to Pakistan I don't see that on the ground. Maybe that's because I am from Karachi but the majority that I see that side's with Imran doesn't count for much during election time.
Winning elections in Pakistan is a complicated affair. If you honestly look at the situation the only substantial political party in pakistan with a vote bank in every province in PPP. The rest have localized vote banks that are very hard to break. Apart from that its basically sardars, vadera's, peer's etc that win every time from their locality and before election they get together pick a party and go from there. They have no affiliations as such its more the case of where they see the power going to in the end.
Unless he wants to be a perpetual host at these talk shows he has to go to interior punjab and sind. Nobody came to power in Pakistan without dominating one or both.

ganeshran

22nd February 2011, 20:29

If Imran is so popular in Pakistan, then how come he is behind both Nawaz Sharif and PPP in the elections?

kaalakawaa

22nd February 2011, 20:42

If Imran is so popular in Pakistan, then how come he is behind both Nawaz Sharif and PPP in the elections?

He is popular among the majority educated crowd. Among the 70% of the population that is uneducated, PPP and Nawaz have a huge voting bank there. PPP and Nawaz have for two generations kept the majority of the population uneducated to be able to amass cheap free votes. Of course the some of the uneducated kids have now grown up and have become so radicalized that they are killing the governors and others due to religious conflicts in terrorist acts

They are reaping what they sowed.

Thees_Mar_Khan

22nd February 2011, 20:48

I will be surprised if Imran wins a seat in his hometown Lahore. Most of the people comes to see him in these gatherings. Doesn't mean they will vote for him too.

kaalakawaa

22nd February 2011, 20:55

I will be surprised if Imran wins a seat in his hometown Lahore. Most of the people comes to see him in these gatherings. Doesn't mean they will vote for him too.

Allah knows best. I have not voted before but i know he is the leader i want! He is not perfect but with alternatives like Zardari and Nawaz, i'll have him thanks.

Thees_Mar_Khan

22nd February 2011, 20:55

He is popular among the majority educated crowd. Among the 70% of the population that is uneducated, PPP and Nawaz have a huge voting bank there. PPP and Nawaz have for two generations kept the majority of the population uneducated to be able to amass cheap free votes. Of course the some of the uneducated kids have now grown up and have become so radicalized that they are killing the governors and others due to religious conflicts in terrorist acts

They are reaping what they sowed.

Are you saying the people of Lahore are uneducated. I think he lost an election to one of PML guy back in 90's from Lahore?

kaalakawaa

22nd February 2011, 20:56

I will be surprised if Imran wins a seat in his hometown Lahore. Most of the people comes to see him in these gatherings. Doesn't mean they will vote for him too.

I live in Defense Lahore. A lot of elite there supports Imran, as they do in other posh areas. I think in a fair and free election, he can win handful of seats with his support

Thees_Mar_Khan

22nd February 2011, 21:01

I live in Defense Lahore. A lot of elite there supports Imran, as they do in other posh areas. I think in a fair and free election, he can win handful of seats with his support

I wish pakistan can hold a fair election - I don't see that happening in the foreseable future.

Love Pakistan

22nd February 2011, 21:03

insaftak

22nd February 2011, 21:04

waqar_ahmad

22nd February 2011, 21:59

I wasnt in KHI in 1992 either, but that story has been told to me on so many occasions whenever I raise Imrans's name in any political discussion.

Re. Hospital, perhaps mate, but Imran is not politically savvy enough for cynical folks of Karachi.

He may get more joy in rural parts of Sindh with disaffected PPP voters though.

I have met some of those rural sindhi voters. All I can say is, we desperately need education in pakistan. No way they are voting for Imran.

And that story about the trophy, well, I dont believe it. Otherwise anti-Imran people would have made a big deal out of it already

kkmix

22nd February 2011, 22:07

The 85% youth will vote for Imran statement is false. He does hold a large number of youth support but others such as Musharraf and Mustafa Kamal also have big support of youth.

Eagle_Eye

22nd February 2011, 22:35

The 85% youth will vote for Imran statement is false. He does hold a large number of youth support but others such as Musharraf and Mustafa Kamal also have big support of youth.

I seriously doubt that!!... one is considered a traitor and the other a poster child of a mafia organisation... I think most Pakistanis understand it very well.... maybe you do not!!

kkmix

22nd February 2011, 23:04

I seriously doubt that!!... one is considered a traitor and the other a poster child of a mafia organisation... I think most Pakistanis understand it very well.... maybe you do not!!

I don't think you want to open your eyes and see the reality, you choose to be blind. It's your fault.

Now let we compare the 3. Below are the links to three individuals and their max number of fans on their facebook pages. And don't tell me they "threaten" people to become their fans on facebook. I don't know how else to compare the support of these three realistically.

Imran Khan - 185,498
http://www.facebook.com/PrimeMinisterImranKhan

Mustafa Kamal - 168,832
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mayor-Syed-Mustafa-Kamal/83367362573

Pervez Musharraf - 385,751
http://www.facebook.com/pervezmusharraf

Now, just because you (or other ppers) don't think there is support for these people doesn't mean noone support them. And if you have a better, and more realistic way of measuring their support, feel free to tag me.

insaftak

22nd February 2011, 23:10

9Rqu-Njigxk

here is the video made by some student

kaalakawaa

22nd February 2011, 23:18

The 85% youth will vote for Imran statement is false. He does hold a large number of youth support but others such as Musharraf and Mustafa Kamal also have big support of youth.

Mustafa Kamal indeed has a large share of votes among the youth. In fact, let me add here that if Mustafa was not associated with MQM, i will vote for him in a heart beat

He caused a true revolution in every way in Karachi. The fact that a young educated man got determined to change his city for good, was given an opportunity by Altaf bhai and then also delivering the results is a HUGE/MASSIVE/BIG undertaking. If there is one political person after Imran who i pray lives a long life, it's Mustafa.

But the youth also realize that Altaf is not and won't ever be the answer and Mustafa looses a few points here to Imran. But either way, no1 will grudge if Mustafa ever becomes the Prime Minister. In fact, how sweet it would be to see Imran as the PM and Mustafa as the president one day. Wishful thinking? Sure but i am allowed to dream big

As far as your suggestion about Musharraf, he has fair share of popularity but i did not count him because i truely believe he is history. There is no way he is going to come to the country with honorable Chief Justice in court and he is smart enough to realize that. So the youth that would normally side with Musharraf are now with Imran while he stays out of the country.

Also, Musharraf is personally active on Facebook which explains the discrepancy in numbers. If Imran was active, then there is no way any other leader of Pakistan could have matched him in the likes

kaalakawaa

22nd February 2011, 23:21

9Rqu-Njigxk

here is the video made by some student

uff Insaftaf. Clearly that video has been shot by a bunch of girls. And look at them all giggling and laughing as Imran talks. I bet that they are not even listening to him and are just there to see Imran to get their desires up.

Bhai maan jao. Larkian are with him. He needs the hungry ghareeb to get on his side to come in power

kkmix

22nd February 2011, 23:30

Mustafa Kamal indeed has a large share of votes among the youth. In fact, let me add here that if Mustafa was not associated with MQM, i will vote for him in a heart beat

He caused a true revolution in every way in Karachi. The fact that a young educated man got determined to change his city for good, was given an opportunity by Altaf bhai and then also delivering the results is a HUGE/MASSIVE/BIG undertaking. If there is one political person after Imran who i pray lives a long life, it's Mustafa.

But the youth also realize that Altaf is not and won't ever be the answer and Mustafa looses a few points here to Imran. But either way, no1 will grudge if Mustafa ever becomes the Prime Minister. In fact, how sweet it would be to see Imran as the PM and Mustafa as the president one day. Wishful thinking? Sure but i am allowed to dream big

As far as your suggestion about Musharraf, he has fair share of popularity but i did not count him because i truely believe he is history. There is no way he is going to come to the country with honorable Chief Justice in court and he is smart enough to realize that. So the youth that would normally side with Musharraf are now with Imran while he stays out of the country.

Also, Musharraf is personally active on Facebook which explains the discrepancy in numbers. If Imran was active, then there is no way any other leader of Pakistan could have matched him in the likes

I fully agree with you about Mustafa Kamal and that he loses some points because of Altaf or bad reputation of MQM. Altaf doesn't have that charismatic personality, like Imran or Mustafa, to attract the younger generation. And for Musharraf, I believe he still has huge fan following in urban areas and he will come to Pakistan despite the "honorable" Cheif Justice in court and CJ won't be able to do anything since he is corrupt himself.

Eagle_Eye

22nd February 2011, 23:30

kkmix

22nd February 2011, 23:33

uff Insaftaf. Clearly that video has been shot by a bunch of girls. And look at them all giggling and laughing as Imran talks. I bet that they are not even listening to him and are just there to see Imran to get their desires up.

Bhai maan jao. Larkian are with him. He needs the hungry ghareeb to get on his side to come in power

If he (or any other party) is to make any progress, he has to target the jahil awan who are living in rural areas and voting for Nawaz or Zardari. Because those people make up the big number. Educated mass will vote for him anyways. I think Imran should invest his time going to rural areas instead of urban areas.

kkmix

22nd February 2011, 23:37

KKmix.... It made me chuckle looking at your response of posting the number facebook fan members for each! Lets elect all our politicians this way shall we?

Where is Mustafa Kamal these days? Since he enjoys mass appeal surely he would in the top brass of MQM.... an MP or minister of some sort? Was he the mayor during May 12th 2007 massacre by MQM goons?

well your response made me ROFLMAO, because you totally disregarded my post and chose to 'not open your eyes' again.

As for your question where is Mustafa Kamal these days? he is doing a show on Samaa called 'Manzil' it runs every sunday where he addresses the uni students and answers their questions. And he is always in the media representing MQM. Plus, why do we think that if he did his job then why should he have a higher rank? He only did his job. Our mentality is that if someone does something he must become the president, which is not what the democracy is.

kaalakawaa

22nd February 2011, 23:41

Eagle_eye, learn to see past your prejudices. What happened on 12th may should be condemned on strongest terms but let's leave Mustafa away for that. He is one of the few GENUINELY HONEST AND CARING politician of Pakistan. He has achieved too much in a very little time for anyone to raise finger against him. Men like him make us retain our belief in the future of Pakistan!

kkmix, i so agree with you. Instkaf, if you have an ear of Imran (do you?), please pass him this message. I really don't know what he's trying to achieve by rallying to the educated mass. He needs the votes of my ghareeb family back in Lahore, none of whom want to vote for him.

We happen to be the only educated family from all my extended family and all of us will vote for Imran during the next elections. I think i can generalize this to a large proportion of the educated minority in the country

But the rest of my poor family are so pro-PML/PPP that they don't want to consider any alternative. And i don't know if they can unless Imran personally goes to the smaller areas to confront the crowd there himself.

Do you ever see Nawaz going to colleges to deliver speeches? He does not because he knows that students are not the key to winning the elections. The key lies with the average common man who is indeed influenced by Nawaz and the like. Get Imran support in that crowd and we have a very real chance of seeing a HUGE revolution, cometh the next election

Eagle_Eye

22nd February 2011, 23:51

Eagle_Eye

22nd February 2011, 23:57

well your response made me ROFLMAO, because you totally disregarded my post and chose to 'not open your eyes' again.

As for your question where is Mustafa Kamal these days? he is doing a show on Samaa called 'Manzil' it runs every sunday where he addresses the uni students and answers their questions. And he is always in the media representing MQM. Plus, why do we think that if he did his job then why should he have a higher rank? He only did his job. Our mentality is that if someone does something he must become the president, which is not what the democracy is.

once again made me chuckle...... everywhere else in the world the competent are promoted!! Here you are suggesting, he has done his job why should he be promoted ..... once again very strange thinking!

I think you are either naive or a deluded MQM apologist.

farhan

23rd February 2011, 05:27

[B]

Oh right.... members of his party run amok in the city killing innocent people... but lets not question his honesty and integrity shall we? Strange... strange logic.

Leaders have to stand up and take responsibility. That is what leadership is all about.

12 may was not the only day in the history of Karachi when innocent lives were taken in cold blooded way. Where were u when qazba colony, Sontab goth , operation cleanup etc.. Who were responsible for thousands of innocents death in sindh. Everyone knows mqm has blood on their hands so does other parties and ethnic entities too...why were u or your elders kept the mouth shut when genocide in balochistan , Bangladesh and in Karachi took place. So don't tell me operation happened against the criminals, because I am a survivor of that operation and some of my close associates died in that tragedy, eventhough we never joined any party or done criminal offense ,by the way I'm not a mohajir maybe a karachiate .

ShehryarK

23rd February 2011, 06:00

I live in Defense Lahore. A lot of elite there supports Imran, as they do in other posh areas. I think in a fair and free election, he can win handful of seats with his support In future, perhaps. I certainly hope so.

In the past, we have had free and fair elections in 1997, 2002 and 2008 and each time Imran either boycotted or didn't get many votes.

With the obvious exception of 1977 and perhaps 1990, and excluding Karachi, there is not a lot of polling day rigging in Pakistani elections, or in the counts afterwards. Deals, machinations, corruption, pressure tactics, even violence etc all happens before election day - but on election day itself, if a candidate is still standing and has his name on the ballot - he will get a fair shake mostly.

Hence, it is the reality that the PPP, PML-N. PML-Q and MQM are the four parties with the largest vote-banks in Pakistan and with the most seats - that's not rigging, that's a fact.

I wish pakistan can hold a fair election - I don't see that happening in the foreseable future. Eh? Please read my comments. Which elections do you believe were largely unfair, and what rigging are you referring to?

wasim-fan

23rd February 2011, 07:00

I should have started a thread probably for this. I saw him at mumbai airport couple of weeks back. One of the best moments of my life.

wasim-fan

23rd February 2011, 07:11

As for this thread, I am no expert on Pakistan politics, but I get a feeling the elites don't want him anywhere close to the office. He will make them pay starting with them furnishing their returns or declaring of assets.. He is my hero but I doubt he will make it. Then again I have been proven wrong.

zimmz

23rd February 2011, 09:16

The easiest way for Imran to become PM/President would be a direct run-off in whole country between the leaders of all parties (USA presidential election style). Knowing the mentality of mostly uneducated (and even educated) people, the current electoral system is not going to bring victory for Imran's party easily. Only hope is if the maximum of youths vote and convince their families to do the same.

Thees_Mar_Khan

23rd February 2011, 12:55

In future, perhaps. I certainly hope so.

In the past, we have had free and fair elections in 1997, 2002 and 2008 and each time Imran either boycotted or didn't get many votes.

With the obvious exception of 1977 and perhaps 1990, and excluding Karachi, there is not a lot of polling day rigging in Pakistani elections, or in the counts afterwards. Deals, machinations, corruption, pressure tactics, even violence etc all happens before election day - but on election day itself, if a candidate is still standing and has his name on the ballot - he will get a fair shake mostly.

Hence, it is the reality that the PPP, PML-N. PML-Q and MQM are the four parties with the largest vote-banks in Pakistan and with the most seats - that's not rigging, that's a fact.

Eh? Please read my comments. Which elections do you believe were largely unfair, and what rigging are you referring to?

Well PPP getting hammered in 1997 specially in Sind and PML(N) winning very few seats in Punjab and nothing in Sind in 2008 compared to their results in 1997 election. I think both or alteast one of the election was rigged.

the Great Khan

23rd February 2011, 13:29

he doesnt havea chance with the jahil crowd..they will always vote for whoever comes and does fatiha at their house, or gives them 20 minutes of izzat..thats what imran needs to do..just go out to these dihaat and show the people he can lead them...plus distribute some notes, kiss some babies, promise to build x amount of tube wells, and above all give some izzat at their houses.."jee bari izaat diti hay jee" and so forth..

he needs to play the game!! otehrwise his party will always be a minority party!!

Lead or leave Imran!!

P.S he is one of my heroes and a true patriot but he must stop being a politician and start thinking like a leader!!

srh

23rd February 2011, 17:12

In future, perhaps. I certainly hope so.

In the past, we have had free and fair elections in 1997, 2002 and 2008 and each time Imran either boycotted or didn't get many votes.

With the obvious exception of 1977 and perhaps 1990, and excluding Karachi, there is not a lot of polling day rigging in Pakistani elections, or in the counts afterwards. Deals, machinations, corruption, pressure tactics, even violence etc all happens before election day - but on election day itself, if a candidate is still standing and has his name on the ballot - he will get a fair shake mostly.

Hence, it is the reality that the PPP, PML-N. PML-Q and MQM are the four parties with the largest vote-banks in Pakistan and with the most seats - that's not rigging, that's a fact.

Eh? Please read my comments. Which elections do you believe were largely unfair, and what rigging are you referring to?
IMO the fairest elections in Pakistan were in 1971. All other elections were rigged of which 2008 elections were the least rigged.

Btw, how much time have you spend living in Pakistan?

Pakistani93

23rd February 2011, 17:23

wasim-fan

23rd February 2011, 17:40

Imran sees 'change' in Pakistan this year

http://tribune.com.pk/story/122313/imran-sees-change-in-pakistan-this-year/

ucilite

23rd February 2011, 17:47

I think IK is very unlucky to be born in Pakistan. Had he been born in ANY other country, he would have achieved so much more.

In any case, for me he has done more for his country than ANYONE else since the creation of Pakistan. May he live a long healthy life.

Markhor

23rd February 2011, 17:59

One thing I have been meaning to ask regarding elections in Pakistan.

Why is the Prime Minister not directly elected ? The party is voted in but yet the leader is not ?

Gilani was elected as PM by a National Assembly vote 264 to 42.In Britain,the leader of a party which gets voted into power,becomes the PM.

Cosmic

23rd February 2011, 19:43

I.Khan In politics is bangladesh team of cricket don,t know the basics...Bus Youth Ko Khench Rahai Jaisa Zahid Hamid sahab Kheench rahey tha

ShehryarK

24th February 2011, 06:49

Well PPP getting hammered in 1997 specially in Sind and PML(N) winning very few seats in Punjab and nothing in Sind in 2008 compared to their results in 1997 election. I think both or alteast one of the election was rigged. LOL - bhai that's no reason. If you analyse the results on a constituency by constituency basis, compare them to previous results and to trends prevalent at the time, both 1997 and 2008 make sense mostly.

IMO the fairest elections in Pakistan were in 1971. All other elections were rigged of which 2008 elections were the least rigged.

Btw, how much time have you spend living in Pakistan? I disagree, most of them except 1977 and to a lesser extent 1990 have been largely free and fair as far as polling day and post polling day fraud etc is concerned. There are so many checks built into the process, so many 'failsafes', that fraud is very difficult indeed and takes great planning and great expenditure - even then its easy to be found out and thus "massive rigging" is almost impossible.

Not sure what the relevance of the second question is? :20: But anyway, the majority of my life. Why?

One thing I have been meaning to ask regarding elections in Pakistan.

Why is the Prime Minister not directly elected ? The party is voted in but yet the leader is not ?

Gilani was elected as PM by a National Assembly vote 264 to 42.In Britain,the leader of a party which gets voted into power,becomes the PM.
Constitutionally, this part of the system is exactly the same as it is in the UK. You have misunderstood the UK process. In the UK, people vote for their MPs, who are from a party - the party with a majority, or the coalition with a majority, then chooses the PM who is invariably the leader of the majority party.

That's exactly what happens in Pak too.

In the UK, this is how Thatcher gave way to Major. And had Major lost in 95, Redwood ( :O :O ) would have become PM by exactly this way. More recently, without a general election, this is how Blair was replaced by Brown as PM.

The same system operates in Pak. After 2008 elections, it was unclear who the PPP's parliamentary leader was due to BB's death, and hence the delay in deciding on a PM.

Markhor

24th February 2011, 11:19

But Benazir had already served 2 terms,isn't there a 2-term limit ?

tahaqureshi

24th February 2011, 12:46

But Benazir had already served 2 terms,isn't there a 2-term limit ?

That is a two term consecutive limit.

insaftak

1st May 2011, 20:14

From Imran Khan's Jalsa in karachi

kkmix

1st May 2011, 20:16

good to see

insaftak

1st May 2011, 20:18

Imran Khan speaking at a fund raiser for Pakistan Tehrek Insaf in Karachi

insaftak

1st May 2011, 20:22

http://old.thenews.com.pk/01-05-2011/Karachi/5-1-2011_44458_l_akb.jpg

Karachi

Senior politician Sardar Sherbaz Mazari on Saturday presented the Jinnah Awards to head of the Sindh Institute of Urology and Transplantation-SIUT Dr Adeeb Rizvi (2008), Chairman Human Rights Commission of Pakistan IA Rehman(2009) and Imran Khan (2010).

The Jinnah Awards for 2008, 2009, and 2010 were given at the launch of the Jinnah AnthologyóThird Edition, compiled and edited by Liaquat Merchant and Prof Sharif-Al-Mujahid. The launch was held under the aegis of the Oxford University Press (Pakistan) at their Head office.

Citations for the awards were read out by noted dance artiste Sheema Kirmani. Mentioning the achievements of the recipients of the awards, she said that Dr Adeeb Rizvi’s SIUT had provided free medical treatment to a million patients since its inception and had spent over a million rupees on patient care. She said that the government had decided to nominate Dr Rizvi for the Nobel Peace Prize.

She also cited the contribution of IA Rehman towards working for the marginalized segment of society.

Liaquat Merchant, President Jinnah Society, cited the first screening of the film, Jinnah, at the Governor’s House, and the tremendous response and standing ovation it received from the gathering 11 years ago, which, he said, was indicative of the strong sense of patriotism and the joy of being Pakistanis. He lamented that today “things were different”. He thanked Mrs Ameena Saiyid, Managing Director, OUP, for her help and cooperation in the publication of the third edition.

Ameena Saiyid, welcoming the guests, said that the event gave us a chance to commemorate the life and work of a great man.

“As time goes by, we realise, with sadness in our hearts how very rare his qualities were, how infrequently history comes up with such a convergence of brilliant qualitiesóall in one frail human body”.

“You will find this volume a great source of information about the frail man who, despite gargantuan odds, seized Pakistan from powerful, unwilling hands”.

Imran Khan said what was most urgently needed today in Pakistan is Jinnah’s politics, a genre of politics that ensures rule of law, welfare, unhindered justice, provision of human rights, honesty, and discipline.

“When we talk of justice, it means the weak against the strong, not just justice for the women or the minorities”, Imran said.

Expressing his strong disgust for the VIP culture and the mass disdain for the rule of law, which has developed such strong roots in our set-up, in the most undisguised of terms, Imran said that there must never be any differentiation between citizens on the basis of their privileged or underprivileged positions as all citizens were equal in the eyes of the law and all were equally deserving of basic rights.

In this context, he cited his own example when, he said, he had taken his mother over to the UK for treatment and while she was a paying patient, on the bed just next to hers was a patient who was undergoing medical treatment under the National Health Service (NHS) cover and he said that the attitude of the doctors and the medical staff towards the NHS patient and his mother was exactly the same, which he said, was very congenial, efficient, and sympathetic but more that that, there was absolutely no discrimination on the basis of being paying or non-paying patients. On the contrary, he said, in Pakistan, quality medical care was just available to the super-rich and government hospitals which were meant to cater to the less fortunate were in a pathetic state.

“The VIP culture is the biggest curse in Pakistan where the poor subsidise the rich”, he said, adding that the first time he had ever seen a real welfare state was when he went to England as a student.

He said he’d been in the opposition for 15 years and only he knew what he was up against and as such he said he knew what Mr Jinnah must have had to undergo given the fact that he was up against far greater political personalities, much greater than Pakistan’s politicians of today. In this context he named, among others, Mr Nehru and Maulana Abu Kalam Azad who, he said, formed a formidable opposition to Mr Jinnah.

He debunked the pessimism harboured by many about the future of the country and said that Pakistanis were a highly talented lot, imbued with a deep-seated patriotism. He cited the case of cricket and said that despite the system, such a lot of talent had emerged in the field.

Talking about the patriotic spirit of the people, he said that he undertook a tour of 29 cities to collect funds for the Shaukat Khanum Memorial Hospital at Lahore, a project which had single-handedly undertaken, and said that in one of the towns, he had collected Rs1 million within a matter of two hours. He said that the most redeeming feature of the campaign was that it was the poor who came forward and donated most generously.

He lamented the overly ostentatious living of the rulers which, he said, was all at the expense of the poor toiling masses of the country.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=44458&Cat=4&dt=5/1/2011

Markhor

1st May 2011, 20:23

Crowd look very educated there,very middle-class and well dressed Mashallah.Just a question of whether Imran can capture the hearts of the working class like he can with the educated class.

kkmix

1st May 2011, 20:26

I appreciate him going to Karachi, but why doesn't he go to interior Sindh and interior Punjab because that's where the majority of seats are.

insaftak

1st May 2011, 20:30

I appreciate him going to Karachi, but why doesn't he go to interior Sindh and interior Punjab because that's where the majority of seats are.

He was in Sukhur today. This was his schedule for Sindh.

29th April

1. 7:00 pm Arrival and talk to media at airport
2. Going to Moin Akhtar's residence
3. 9:00 pm Opening of PTI East Karachi Office

30th April

11:00 am Will address the workers at PTI Sindh Office
4:00 pm Tea and Dialogue

1st May:
5:00 pm On Labor day will address a convention at Dawood Chorangi
7:00 Address the Labor Wing at Kemari

2nd May:
8:00 am Will reach Sukkhar Airport
11:00 am will address Jalsa in Shikarpur
5:00 pm will address Jalsa in Jacobabad

3rd May:
From 10:00 am to 2:00 pm will visit the flood affected areas of Kand Kot, Thal and meet the people there.
4:00 pm Will address the Press Conference at Inter Park Hotel Sukkhar

insaftak

1st May 2011, 20:31

http://insaf.pk/Portals/0/NTForums_Attach/001.gif

Next he is scheduled for south Punjab.

insaftak

2nd May 2011, 00:54

http://ejang.jang.com.pk//5-1-2011/karachi/images/02_07.gif

Imran offers to mediate between govt, Taliban

Shamim Bano
Sunday, May 01, 2011

Karachi

Chairman Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf Imran Khan has said that the only way to steer the country out of the present morass is to exercise an independent foreign policy as well as establish the rule of law.

Addressing a select gathering on Saturday, he said that the issues could not be resolved through wars or using force, reiterating his demand that talks was the only way out to fight terrorism. On the occasion, he offered to play mediator’s role between the government and the Taliban.

Before the start of the function, the national anthem was sung.

The children carrying cricket bats in their hands welcomed the guests. Interestingly, the participants at the dialogue-cum-tea party, mostly women, paid Rs1,000 each and also singed a form for the inclusion of their names as voters.

Imran said that extending support to the US on the war against terrorism has only promoted militancy and Talibanisation in the country.

Referring to drone attacks and rejecting government claims with regard to eliminating terrorist network from the country, he said that an average of two militants were killed whereas 20 innocent people lose lives in such attacks..

He ruled out entering into any alliance with any political party and refused to be a part of the “corrupt” government, saying, “My party would never become part of the national government as it is against our principles and policies”.

He called upon the government to respect the parliament’s resolution that called for stopping drone strikes.

“Politicians should do away with hypocrisy. They should either support the drone strikes or oppose them openly, and the government needs to abandon the dual policy on drone attacks,” Imran said amidst thunderous applause.

He said that international law guarantees protection of the rights of all human beings irrespective of their race, territory and financial status, adding, “Pakistan happens to be the only country that had been using its army to kill its own people as the rulers have allowed the drone strikes for a few dollars which is a matter of immense shame”.

The PTI leader said that the nation did not want to continue to be the slaves of America and wanted an independent Pakistan in line with the motto of Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, adding, “PTI is committed to bringing political stability through credible democracy, transparency in government and accountability of leadership as the party believes in federalism and granting functional autonomy to the provinces”.

On the occasion, Imran Khan spoke about the PTI agenda vis-‡-vis bringing moderation in society and eliminating hatred and religious bigotry as well as providing protection to women, children and other weak segments of society and riding the country of US dictation.

http://thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=44465&Cat=4&dt=5/1/2011

Khabri420

2nd May 2011, 02:10

Don't know about the mirch masala added to this...:imran

hQN0vaM8zto

Looney

2nd May 2011, 02:16

I appreciate him going to Karachi, but why doesn't he go to interior Sindh and interior Punjab because that's where the majority of seats are.

karachi maiN poyeesha hai poyeesha hai :shakib

kkmix

2nd May 2011, 02:31

poyeesha kya hota hai yaar? oh paisaaaa, haha that's true

Khabri, media hypes everything up, I wouldn't look too much into it.

insaftak

5th May 2011, 23:13

Just came across this picture from recent fundraiser in karachi for Pakistan Tehrek Insaf.

insaftak

5th May 2011, 23:16

Don't know about the mirch masala added to this...:imran

hQN0vaM8zto

PTI's official policy is against public display of weapons. I don't know what is wrong with karachi. this is the second time PTI activists have been displaying weapons in public.

We see this nowhere else not in kpk, even dangerous parts of Kpk i.e swat, peshawar. I have never seen anyone displaying weapons in punjab or even in interior sindh.

only people of karachi can explain this.

SIMBA

5th May 2011, 23:19

^ picture all over fb!

Very emotional indeed.

Vegitto1

5th May 2011, 23:22

PTI's official policy is against public display of weapons. I don't know what is wrong with karachi. this is the second time PTI activists have been displaying weapons in public.

We see this nowhere else not in kpk, even dangerous parts of Kpk i.e swat, peshawar. I have never seen anyone displaying weapons in punjab or even in interior sindh.

only people of karachi can explain this.

I think it was done on purpose to highlight the incompetency of the police who are in charge of security.

If it is so easy for someone to openly bring their weapons into a political rally then clearly the authorities have been grossly negligent in carrying out their duties.

insaftak

5th May 2011, 23:23

Few more pics from Karachi

Free Hit

5th May 2011, 23:25

Imran in karachi, Altaf's ghiddars in Lahore, any then they say who does the target killing :facepalm:

insaftak

5th May 2011, 23:37

^ picture all over fb!

Very emotional indeed.

+1

A True son of soil is loved from Karachi to Khyber.

kkmix

5th May 2011, 23:43

insaftak

5th May 2011, 23:47

yeah blame it on Karachi people, you know how pathetic you sound.

yaar not blaming karachi people.

Just pointing out the number of people carry freaking guns in Karachi. we just saw a dharna in peshawar and saw no guns. I follow everywhere Imran khan goes and seen pictures from all over the country. This is the second time I have seen people displaying guns in PTI rally/protest and both times it was in karachi.

I have no explanation. You might want to help me understand this.

kkmix

5th May 2011, 23:50

yaar not blaming karachi people.

Just pointing out the number of people carry freaking guns in Karachi. we just saw a dharna in peshawar and saw no guns. I follow everywhere Imran khan goes and seen pictures from all over the country. This is the second time I have seen people displaying guns in PTI rally/protest and both times it was in karachi.

I have no explanation. You might want to help me understand this.

maybe that's for Imran's security? security guards?

Khabri420

5th May 2011, 23:56

But aren't those individuals holding those weapons affiliated with PTI (i.e supporters)? :imran

insaftak

5th May 2011, 23:57

maybe that's for Imran's security? security guards?

Possible explanation.

But again we haven't seen guards with Imran khan in any other city of Pakistan.

Gollum

6th May 2011, 00:45

Possible explanation.

But again we haven't seen guards with Imran khan in any other city of Pakistan.

what is your point exactly....almost every part of pakistan is awashed with weapons regardless of whether they were displayed in rallies or not (we don't know if there weren't any weapons...no photographic evidence doesn't mean there weren't)...if your point to make a snide remark against karachi as being 'us vs them' then join the queue!

and public display of weapons in a TI rally hurts TI's reputation does it not?

Khabri420

6th May 2011, 02:18

insaftak tumse yeh umeed na thi

insaftak

6th May 2011, 02:25

what is your point exactly....almost every part of pakistan is awashed with weapons regardless of whether they were displayed in rallies or not (we don't know if there weren't any weapons...no photographic evidence doesn't mean there weren't)...if your point to make a snide remark against karachi as being 'us vs them' then join the queue!

and public display of weapons in a TI rally hurts TI's reputation does it not?

insaftak tumse yeh umeed na thi

Yaar Why would I want to bash Karachi if I want PTI to grow in karachi.

karachi does have a gun problem lets not close our eyes and yes public display of weapons in PTI rally would hurt PTI's reputation because it is against PTI's policy to display weapons.

I am looking for a video where Imran Khan talked about a similar incident a while back.

insaftak

6th May 2011, 02:48

In this video Imran Khan tells students to stay away from "dhandey ke siyasat" There is another video i am looking for and I will post it here when I find it.

-QlYP3Cj2yY

Khabri420

6th May 2011, 02:52

Yaar Why would I want to bash Karachi if I want PTI to grow in karachi.

karachi does have a gun problem lets not close our eyes and yes public display of weapons in PTI rally would hurt PTI's reputation because it is against PTI's policy to display weapons.

I am looking for a video where Imran Khan talked about a similar incident a while back.

Can you confirm the authenticity of the video I posted from someone higher up in the PTI you may know?

insaftak

6th May 2011, 02:59

Can you confirm the authenticity of the video I posted from someone higher up in the PTI you may know?

These folks were member of security team at green town jalsa only. When there was electricity prob for few mint we were more careful and this video was made that time.
.
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General Secretary, Karachi (East)

https://insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/postid/106407/view/topic/Default.aspx

There is a whole thread on insaf.pk about this. you should check it out for yourself.

Khabri420

6th May 2011, 03:20

https://insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/postid/106407/view/topic/Default.aspx

There is a whole thread on insaf.pk about this. you should check it out for yourself.

'Security Team' eh....

insaftak

6th May 2011, 03:26

'Security Team' eh....

I don't buy it either because Imran Khan never asks for security. he didn't ask for it when he was sleeping on a road in peshawar.

Gollum

6th May 2011, 04:29

^ you seem to be living in fools paradise in a country with a history of attacks on our political leaders from liaquat ali khan to benazir bhutto that imran khan will be oblivious or neglectful of the vital need to take basic safety precautions...

Only thing that is left here is your unwarranted tirade against karachi...as I said join the long queue of karachi haters

taq12345

8th May 2011, 15:45

Dharna announced in Karach 21st and 22nd May :D

insaftak

22nd December 2011, 18:37

@ Karachi Airport today

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390057_287626871283541_266791596700402_861095_1935 595768_n.jpg

srh

22nd December 2011, 20:06

I thought the court has given verdict against PTI regarding jalsa location?

Looney

22nd December 2011, 20:08

that phone call message was sly

auntiyoN ke purane armaan phir taaza kar diye hoNgay :imran

Disco_Lemonade

22nd December 2011, 20:09

I thought the court has given verdict against PTI regarding jalsa location?
i have the same question, whats the news and why is it not hot news given the hype of this jalsa??

insaftak

22nd December 2011, 20:10

that phone call message was sly

auntiyoN ke purane armaan phir taaza kar diye hoNgay :imran

:))) :)))

Per Yeh to Taliban Khan Hai :P

Looney

22nd December 2011, 20:22

:))) :)))

Per Yeh to Taliban Khan Hai :P

Aisi maamlaat maiN sab liberal hi hotay haiN :afridi