Veena Malik weeping / defending herself on Express News

[Shahrukh Khan]

She is really an actress :yk:razzaq:rao

Here is the full program

http://www.zemtv.com/2011/01/21/frontline-with-kamran-shahid-21st-january-2011-veena-malik/

Latest Program

http://www.zemtv.com/2011/01/23/hyper-veena-malik-vs-syed-noor-in-front-line-23rd-january-2011/

[ehjaz]

why the hell she is crying.......crying over spilt milk................in urdu there is a saying for people like her "nao sao chohey kha ke billi haj ko chali"....

[ITGuy]

Perhaps, Assmit is to blame.

[Shahrukh Khan]

Main apni bravery ki waja se famous thi is liye mujhe big boss mein invite kiya gaya.

She is very angry lol hahahaha

[Shahrukh Khan]

After this program she will be in big trouble. She is arguing too much with Mufti saab.

[Shahrukh Khan]

I never kissed anyone :O

then who was she in BIG BOSS?

[ganeshran]

defending herself against what?

[rash]

magarmach kay ansoo (retard) :inti

[sanakazmi]

Veena Malik is trending worldwide on Twitter. Brave woman.

[cricket_fever]

whats happening ppl?? why is she putting up this crying show? i m lost here/......shed some light plz :)

[Shahrukh Khan]

Veena ke tears ne uska saara make up kharab kar diya :(

[Shahrukh Khan]

whats happening ppl?? why is she putting up this crying show? i m lost here/......shed some light plz :)
Here is the full program

http://www.zemtv.com/2011/01/21/frontline-with-kamran-shahid-21st-january-2011-veena-malik/

[blinding light]

Honestly have no idea what she was crying on about.

Its not like she does not know what is the dominant mindset in Pakistan. And I've personally spoken with and attended seminars of Kamran Shahid - he should have immediately shown pictures or snaps or whatever - Veena Malik was blatantly lying in that show.

Screaming at others, putting everything on whoever opposes you, and victimising yourself gets you nowhere when there is unedited footage of you clearly doing stuff unacceptable to the country, religion and society at large. KS was spot on when he said that she should have consulted with the Pakistani media before going for such a show and should hold a referendum now if she wishes to know what Pakistani people really think of her.

" Why Veena Malik ?! Why me?! Because I'm a woman ?!" :facepalm:

The maulvi uncle was weird as well .... :/

[kaalakawaa]

Respect to Veena Malik. She absolutely pawned the extremist Mullah. VEENA FTW!!

[Maula Jutt]

I have no patience to watch the show and tolerate this clown woman's drama.

Can anyone please tell me in a sentence or two what exactly is she crying about?

[kaalakawaa]

I have no patience to watch the show and tolerate this clown woman's drama.

Can anyone please tell me in a sentence or two what exactly is she crying about?

"Pakistan ka naam unhoon ne kharab kiya hai jinhoon ne Masjidoon mei dhamake kiye

Pakistan ka naam unhoon ne kharab kiya jo Masjidoon mei rape karte hai

Pakistan ka naam corrupt siyasadaaan ne kharab kiya hai

Siraf Veena Malik kiyun? Kiyunkeh Veena Malik ek aurat hai? Kiyunkeh Veena Malik aap ke liye ek aasaan target hai?

Agar mein vahaan sar pe dupatta oarh leti, to aap sab phir kehtay keh mein sattya savitri bannay ki koshish kar rahi hoon."

She really did speak well and left the tharki Mufti speechless. Power to veena

[oracleg]

lol only saw half of it but what an awesome performance :14:

The host was absolutely loving this. Would've preferred a live audience Jerry Springer style :asif

[Looney]

Veena wants attention . Mufti Saheb wants attention . Both are two different sides of the same coin . Express News or that program in particular wants controversy to increase viewership . What Express channel is doing is no different from Bigg Boss .

[aashiqmizaaj]

"Pakistan ka naam unhoon ne kharab kiya hai jinhoon ne Masjidoon mei dhamake kiye

Pakistan ka naam unhoon ne kharab kiya jo Masjidoon mei rape karte hai

Pakistan ka naam corrupt siyasadaaan ne kharab kiya hai

Siraf Veena Malik kiyun? Kiyunkeh Veena Malik ek aurat hai? Kiyunkeh Veena Malik aap ke liye ek aasaan target hai?

Agar mein vahaan sar pe dupatta oarh leti, to aap sab phir kehtay keh mein sattya savitri bannay ki koshish kar rahi hoon."

She really did speak well and left the tharki Mufti speechless. Power to veena


Yes she certainly owned the tharki Mufti.

In particular her lines:

I gave massages not just to guys but to girls as well.
I made a kafir read namaaz.
Whatever I did, I didn't trespass any boundaries.

See the problem is she doesn't think what she did is wrong and she doesn't think hugging or massaging a guy is wrong. There are people who agree with her.


Now, it's one thing to say that there's nothing wrong with what she did. There isn't, problem is in what contextual framework? According to Islam, everything she did was wrong. Her stance is that there are other things that are going on that need to be addressed first - valid point, but that doesn't mean what she did was correct according to Islam.

[Looney]

"Pakistan ka naam unhoon ne kharab kiya hai jinhoon ne Masjidoon mei dhamake kiye

Pakistan ka naam unhoon ne kharab kiya jo Masjidoon mei rape karte hai

Pakistan ka naam corrupt siyasadaaan ne kharab kiya hai

Siraf Veena Malik kiyun? Kiyunkeh Veena Malik ek aurat hai? Kiyunkeh Veena Malik aap ke liye ek aasaan target hai?

Agar mein vahaan sar pe dupatta oarh leti, to aap sab phir kehtay keh mein sattya savitri bannay ki koshish kar rahi hoon."

She really did speak well and left the tharki Mufti speechless. Power to veena

Just a question - why does she refer to herself as third person ? :facepalm:

[ganeshran]

Veena Malik is not representing Pakistan in an official position in India when she acted in Big Boss 4. She neither broke any Indian nor Pakistani laws while acting in the show. I dont understand what the problem is here.

[Down2Earth]

:)) i have bookmarked this for a later viewing :inti

[kaalakawaa]

Yes she certainly owned the tharki Mufti.

In particular her lines:

I gave massages not just to guys but to girls as well.
I made a kafir read namaaz.
Whatever I did, I didn't trespass any boundaries.

See the problem is she doesn't think what she did is wrong and she doesn't think hugging or massaging a guy is wrong. There are people who agree with her.


Now, it's one thing to say that there's nothing wrong with what she did. There isn't, problem is in what contextual framework? According to Islam, everything she did was wrong. Her stance is that there are other things that are going on that need to be addressed first - valid point, but that doesn't mean what she did was correct according to Islam.

That is only between her and Allah. No1 has the right to decide if she lives her life in compliance with her religion. That is for her family to care about. We have no business asking her to live her life as we perceive correct. My personal opinion might be that she certainly did a few things against Islam but i also realize that Islam does not teach men to ridicule or taint a women. She has her right to live as she desires and what express did today was a cheap shot to get lame publicity.

Power to Veena. She spoke for every liberal in Pakistan today.

[pakcricketfan]

OMG! How did you guys manage to tolerate her for so long?! :|

I tuned in to Express News (after receiving half a dozen sms from various people) but could not bear her draamay for more than 5-10 minutes.

The 5 kilos of make-up flowing down her cheeks with tears were epic though. :P

[kashmiri_lad]

Did you guys check...
They have used the music of Prison Break...
hahahahahahah

[aashiqmizaaj]

That is only between her and Allah. No1 has the right to decide if she lives her life in compliance with her religion. That is for her family to care about. We have no business asking her to live her life as we perceive correct. My personal opinion might be that she certainly did a few things against Islam but i also realize that Islam does not teach men to ridicule or taint a women. She has her right to live as she desires and what express did today was a cheap shot to get lame publicity.

Power to Veena. She spoke for every liberal in Pakistan today.

On one hand you say that is between her and Allah, then you say no one has the right to decide if she lives her life in compliance with her religion, then you say that this is for her family to care about. Make up your mind. Either it's just her, or it's more than her.

What we perceive to be correct? You mean there's room for debate in Islamic context on whether a non-married woman and man can give massages to each other? Look, you can lead your life whatever way you want. Just have the guts to acknowledge that it's not according to Islam when it's not.

Veena certainly spoke, but she spoke for the entertainment industry and its participants not for Pakistan unless of course what you mean is that the liberal Pakistanis all want to go around hugging people of the opposite gender, snuggling with them, gyrating in front of them.

[aashiqmizaaj]

:)) i have bookmarked this for a later viewing :inti

Why put off for tomorrow what you can do again and again today?

[FastBowler]

Yes she certainly owned the tharki Mufti.

In particular her lines:

I gave massages not just to guys but to girls as well.
I made a kafir read namaaz.
Whatever I did, I didn't trespass any boundaries.

See the problem is she doesn't think what she did is wrong and she doesn't think hugging or massaging a guy is wrong. There are people who agree with her.


Now, it's one thing to say that there's nothing wrong with what she did. There isn't, problem is in what contextual framework? According to Islam, everything she did was wrong. Her stance is that there are other things that are going on that need to be addressed first - valid point, but that doesn't mean what she did was correct according to Islam.



Does she say she's talking in an Islamic context?

[srh]

what is a tharki Mufti?

[kaalakawaa]

On one hand you say that is between her and Allah, then you say no one has the right to decide if she lives her life in compliance with her religion, then you say that this is for her family to care about. Make up your mind. Either it's just her, or it's more than her.

What we perceive to be correct? You mean there's room for debate in Islamic context on whether a non-married woman and man can give massages to each other? Look, you can lead your life whatever way you want. Just have the guts to acknowledge that it's not according to Islam when it's not.

Veena certainly spoke, but she spoke for the entertainment industry and its participants not for Pakistan unless of course what you mean is that the liberal Pakistanis all want to go around hugging people of the opposite gender, snuggling with them, gyrating in front of them.

By 'no1', i refer to you and me. Only she decides the moral values of her life. If she believes that she is doing nothing wrong by giving massages and if this is in agreement with her view on religion then that is that. Only her family - parents, siblings - have a constitutional and religious responsibility to change her worldview on this and in this case, it seems her family does not have a problem with her bold life. The buck stop right there. The media, Mullahs or a common man has no right to preach her following that

And yes there certainly is a lot of room for debate on 'Islamic context' as you put it. If every Muslim could agree on the same Islamic context then we would be in a much better world. There would be no sectarian violence in the name of religion, there would be sectarian divisions in religion as found in abundance today, taliban would never have existed to propose their context of sharia law and Mosques of rival sects would never be bombed.

I am not saying that Veena Malik behavior reflects well of the country or that she is representing Pakistan in any way. But this hypocrisy of singling her out because she is a Woman is disgusting and quite frankly very unIslamic. If a man was in Veena shoes and was flirting and hugging all Indian woman, no cry of any kind would exist. Our rightest and hypocrite media would have proudly flashed snaps of his pictures and videos deeming it as Pakistan superiority and moral victory over India.

The woman should be left alone. The last thing we want is another Qadri to spring up and take her life and claim in our courts that an express channel program made him do it. It goes without saying that man would be garlanded too by our media and rightest lawyers. Don't like Veena bold outlook on life? Ignore her. Don't take cheap shots at her

[sanakazmi]

Veena Malik, what sass. She had the courage to say it like it is. When the maulvi was going on about how his dear behen should not misuse her God-given khoobsurti, she asked him where he had seen this khoobsurti, given that in Islam the first, unintentional look is forgiven but thereafter you must lower your gaze. The host also got involved and asked how the maulvi could find his behen hot. Dude was speechless.

[FastBowler]

Aap fatwa de sakte hai kisi pe bhi :))

[SAF]

VEEENNA...Whatta a beauty :)

[Khabri420]

Well sucks that she still lost despite crossing all levels of beghairati.

[batfirst]

they should of bought mohd asif on the show!

[Khabri420]

Veena Malik: "Main Ashmit Patel ko namaz parhai"....LOL WTH?

How does that make you any more pious? :P

[FastBowler]

Veena Malik: "Main Ashmit Patel ko namaz parhai"....LOL WTH?

How does that make you any more pious? :P



How about listening to the answers she gives to the molvi and leaves him with no answer?

[kkmix]

Fake character, She asks why we call her baghairat, well look at your acts, forget being muslim but being a pakistani, she went against the 'culture' of Pakistan. It may be ok in entertainment industry but in general public, she is no less than a bagairat.

[Khabri420]

How about listening to the answers she gives to the molvi and leaves him with no answer?

Sure, but please also pay attention to the crap she's spitting out

[kkmix]

How about listening to the answers she gives to the molvi and leaves him with no answer?

how about when molvi asked her, can a daughter watch what she did infront of her mother. did that leave her with any answer?

But I don't think movli should've been called in the first place because she kept targeting movli, there should've been an audience who would've blasted her off.

[FastBowler]

There should also have been an audience who blasted that molvi off.

[Khabri420]

"My name is Veena Malik, and I am not a terrorist"

[kkmix]

There should also have been an audience who blasted that molvi off.

program was on veena and not movli


"My name is Veena Malik, and I am not a Bagairat"
fixed :D

[Khabri420]

program was on veena and not movli

Veena's crocodile tears has done wonders bro. :kapil

[Shahrukh Khan]

Program is on air again

[kkmix]

yaar don't pollute the air. baar baar.

[FastBowler]

How would the molvi justify watching Big Boss?

[aashiqmizaaj]

Does she say she's talking in an Islamic context?

Yes. She says she did nothing na zaiba. Please tell me what context she is trying to justify when she's telling the tharki Mufti that there are other problems in Islam.

[Maula Jutt]

Veena Malik, what sass. She had the courage to say it like it is. When the maulvi was going on about how his dear behen should not misuse her God-given khoobsurti, she asked him where he had seen this khoobsurti, given that in Islam the first, unintentional look is forgiven but thereafter you must lower your gaze. The host also got involved and asked how the maulvi could find his behen hot. Dude was speechless.

I haaaaate her for her antics on that reality show but man, can she talk back! I still remember how she blew off everyone left and right when she first uncovered Asif's links with bookies on TV. Mindblowing stuff.

[aashiqmizaaj]

And yes there certainly is a lot of room for debate on 'Islamic context' as you put it. If every Muslim could agree on the same Islamic context then we would be in a much better world. There would be no sectarian violence in the name of religion, there would be sectarian divisions in religion as found in abundance today, taliban would never have existed to propose their context of sharia law and Mosques of rival sects would never be bombed.


Please tell me which sect permits mixing of males and females in the way she was.

There's no room for debate. What she was doing was wrong. Should she be called out for it. No. But can I say what she was doing is wrong. Yes. Should she have a hissy fit over it. No. Why? Because she should know that what she's doing is wrong. If she thinks it's acceptable, then there's a disconnect.

My biggest gripe is that if you want to do that kind of stuff, by all means do it. Don't pass it off as being allowed. Have the decency to say that what I'm doing is wrong.

[aashiqmizaaj]

How about listening to the answers she gives to the molvi and leaves him with no answer?

You mean when she was constantly cutting him off? She had absolutely no manners and was even cutting off the host at the end.

[FastBowler]

Yes. She says she did nothing na zaiba. Please tell me what context she is trying to justify when she's telling the tharki Mufti that there are other problems in Islam.



She is saying there are other problems in Islam why doesn't the molvi address them instead of going after her. She mentions some of those problems. Do you think she is wrong?

[tahir_dj]

I dont wanna watch it... but please who did watched it did she said mein Allah ko hazir nazir karkey kehti houn mene kuch nei kya?

[FastBowler]

You mean when she was constantly cutting him off? She had absolutely no manners and was even cutting off the host at the end.



No. That molvi had no answers. Stop looking for excuses.

[aashiqmizaaj]

She is saying there are other problems in Islam why doesn't the molvi address them instead of going after her. She mentions some of those problems. Do you think she is wrong?

I think you're confusing issues here. The topic of the show was Veena Malik's appearance on Big Boss and what she did there, not what else is happening in Islam. If the show was on that topic, I would have expected the mufti to go in depth on that issue, having said that, the mufti did try to talk to some of those points but Miss Bacon (spelling intentional) of Liberal Pakistanis kept cutting him off.

And no she isn't wrong in mentioning those other problems. Still doesn't make what she did right as she is trying to claim - do you agree with that? If not, then unfortunately we're at an impasse.

[aashiqmizaaj]

No. That molvi had no answers. Stop looking for excuses.

Watch the video again. Calculate the number of seconds that the mufti had uninterrupted talking time.

Stop making excuses.

[FastBowler]

I think you're confusing issues here. The topic of the show was Veena Malik's appearance on Big Boss and what she did there, not what else is happening in Islam. If the show was on that topic, I would have expected the mufti to go in depth on that issue, having said that, the mufti did try to talk to some of those points but Miss Bacon (spelling intentional) of Liberal Pakistanis kept cutting him off.

And no she isn't wrong in mentioning those other problems. Still doesn't make what she did right as she is trying to claim - do you agree with that? If not, then unfortunately we're at an impasse.



I think what she did was her choice and none of that molvi's business. What was he doing watching Big Boss anyways?
Aren't those problems far worse than what she did and don't you think the molvi should be addressing those problems rather than blasting some lady for the way she behaves on some show?

[kkmix]

How would the molvi justify watching Big Boss?

lol the show was on veena and not molvi saab. disregard the movli.

[Maula Jutt]

I think what she did was her choice and none of that molvi's business. What was he doing watching Big Boss anyways?
Aren't those problems far worse than what she did and don't you think the molvi should be addressing those problems rather than blasting some lady for the way she behaves on some show?

The molvi is an opportunist just like Veena herself. They are both doing the show to be in the limelight. Veena agreed to come on the show knowing perfectly well she will be opposite a molvi. The molvi enjoyed all the episodes of Bigg Boss under the excuse of doing homework for the show. They're both getting paid for this stint. What's the use of arguing over what they're saying?

[aashiqmizaaj]

I think what she did was her choice and none of that molvi's business. What was he doing watching Big Boss anyways?
Aren't those problems far worse than what she did and don't you think the molvi should be addressing those problems rather than blasting some lady for the way she behaves on some show?

If you had watched the video, then you would know that he didn't watch Big Boss.

If you had watched the video, you would have also noticed that no where did he blast her.

If you had watched the video, you would have known that the topic wasn't about the molvi but Veena Malik - why are you so gung ho about changing the topic? The show wasn't about the problems in Islam. The show was about Veena Malik on Big Boss.

The kind of stuff she did was wrong. Simple. Is she the only one? No, because we already know what's happening in Lollywood. But all of that doesn't make what she did right. Just because someone thinks something is right doesn't make it so. Now is she entitled to do what she wants to? Of course she is. She can fall off a cliff for all I care. But she is not entitled to label an act as being acceptable when it is clearly not. Don't make a mockery of the religion just because you have a falsely liberated view of it.

According to her, giving a massage to a guy is ok because she was giving massages to girls too. Come on. Really?

[FastBowler]

Who says what she did was wrong?

[FastBowler]

The molvi is an opportunist just like Veena herself. They are both doing the show to be in the limelight. Veena agreed to come on the show knowing perfectly well she will be opposite a molvi. The molvi enjoyed all the episodes of Bigg Boss under the excuse of doing homework for the show. They're both getting paid for this stint. What's the use of arguing over what they're saying?



Well I'm tired of people saying stupid things like this just because they felt offended, because they're such perfect human beings
I don't enjoy defending Veena Malik :asif

[Maula Jutt]

Well I'm tired of people saying stupid things like this just because they felt offended, because they're such perfect human beings
I don't enjoy defending Veena Malik :asif

Haha I know.

[aashiqmizaaj]

Who says what she did was wrong?

You've got to be kidding.

[FastBowler]

You've got to be kidding.



Is it?

[Shahrukh Khan]

I am waiting to see Meera's reaction. She did attack her few times

[defender]

How the f*** did Asif:asif cope with her?

I think I have just discovered a mystery on why Asif had to resort to marijuana.

[kkmix]

Who says what she did was wrong?

us "pakistanis". :asif

[FastBowler]

us "pakistanis". :asif



And aashiqmizaaj.

[defender]

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LOL

[khankhan]

What a clown. Thats all I have to say.

[ganeshran]

Dolly Bindra is the one who should be defending herself :110:

[defender]

Namaz jisko parhani hain, usko nahi parhati, aur jis par namaz farz nahi hain usko parhati hain

[Foozee]

not supportin veena or against her.. hell even find Big Boss retarded @ss show..

but gotta say from that interview..Veena is total dramay baaz

[sanakazmi]

I haaaaate her for her antics on that reality show but man, can she talk back! I still remember how she blew off everyone left and right when she first uncovered Asif's links with bookies on TV. Mindblowing stuff.

And I think that's what makes Pakistani men [extra] uncomfortable and rant on her needlessly. On this forum and elsewhere, I've seen that the same people who admit Asif is a serial cheat and has embarrassed Pakistan will start defending Asif, if not feeling sorry for him "having to put up with this 3itch" and generally finding any reason to diss her. It's fascinating.

When I was watching some of the reaction to her reporting Asif's kartoot to the Scotland Yard etc. (most people thought it made her a woman of low character - and they had reached this conclusion by watching videos of her mujras *ahem* - and felt the need to resort to personal attacks about her morality), I did find myself thinking "Why Veena?" just as she did tonight.

I mean... she's an actor - you can hate her performances in shows, but I think the way she carries herself in the face of constant ridicule is brave and, even, classy.

Btw, not that I would condone it AT ALL, but do you think any mainstream TV show host would dare to do a similar interrogation / character assassination of a Pakistani MAN? Imran the once-playboy? And, even if they did (I think Ali Zafar was on a show being attcked about "embarrassing" scenes from his film recently), would it be met with millions of heads shaking with similar disgust and outrage?

[QazzarFan]

And I think that's what makes Pakistani men [extra] uncomfortable and rant on her needlessly. On this forum and elsewhere, I've seen that the same people who admit Asif is a serial cheat and has embarrassed Pakistan will start defending Asif, if not feeling sorry for him "having to put up with this 3itch" and generally finding any reason to diss her. It's fascinating.

When I was watching some of the reaction to her reporting Asif's kartoot to the Scotland Yard etc. (most people thought it made her a woman of low character - and they had reached this conclusion by watching videos of her mujras *ahem* - and felt the need to resort to personal attacks about her morality), I did find myself thinking "Why Veena?" just as she did tonight.

I mean... she's an actor - you can hate her performances in shows, but I think the way she carries herself in the face of constant ridicule is brave and, even, classy.

Btw, not that I would condone it AT ALL, but do you think any mainstream TV show host would dare to do a similar interrogation / character assassination of a Pakistani MAN? Imran the once-playboy? And, even if they did (I think Ali Zafar was on a show being attcked about "embarrassing" scenes from his film recently), would it be met with millions of heads shaking with similar disgust and outrage?


brilliant! couldn't have said it better....

Women are soft target. Women has to make the sacrifice, women has to be covered from head to toe, women has to bear 14 children, Women can't have multiple sexual partner for herself as she will be called names, the fact that VM is a woman keeps this open hate alive even more

[tanzeel]

Didn't really watch the show that generated the controversy but there were two points I noticed:
(i) The host was one of the biggest ass clown walking God's green earth. I would not have been able to contain myself if I had to spend more than 5 minutes in his presence. Would have ripped this jahil, uncivilized idiot to shreds.
(ii) The jahil mulla got his derriere handed to him by a woman barely smart enough to string together a coherent sentence. The 'mullahs rape the kids they teach' comment was pure gold. Can't stand these self appointed defenders of religion (this includes priests/reverends/rabbis and hindu pundits) and it was satisfying to see that 3rd class maggot put in his place.

[ganeshran]

And I think that's what makes Pakistani men [extra] uncomfortable and rant on her needlessly. On this forum and elsewhere, I've seen that the same people who admit Asif is a serial cheat and has embarrassed Pakistan will start defending Asif, if not feeling sorry for him "having to put up with this 3itch" and generally finding any reason to diss her. It's fascinating.

When I was watching some of the reaction to her reporting Asif's kartoot to the Scotland Yard etc. (most people thought it made her a woman of low character - and they had reached this conclusion by watching videos of her mujras *ahem* - and felt the need to resort to personal attacks about her morality), I did find myself thinking "Why Veena?" just as she did tonight.

I mean... she's an actor - you can hate her performances in shows, but I think the way she carries herself in the face of constant ridicule is brave and, even, classy.

Btw, not that I would condone it AT ALL, but do you think any mainstream TV show host would dare to do a similar interrogation / character assassination of a Pakistani MAN? Imran the once-playboy? And, even if they did (I think Ali Zafar was on a show being attcked about "embarrassing" scenes from his film recently), would it be met with millions of heads shaking with similar disgust and outrage?

Exactly, this whole argument is not cultural, its actually sexist. If a Pakistani man had gone on the same show and done the same things with a Indian woman, no one would be giving a second thought to it, and the protests would have happened, but by right wing parties in India.

Even after so many decades of Independence we still seem to have different cultural scales to measure men and women.

[suhaib]

a grade C actress with a grade C mullah, funny.

[Maula Jutt]

And I think that's what makes Pakistani men [extra] uncomfortable and rant on her needlessly. On this forum and elsewhere, I've seen that the same people who admit Asif is a serial cheat and has embarrassed Pakistan will start defending Asif, if not feeling sorry for him "having to put up with this 3itch" and generally finding any reason to diss her. It's fascinating.

Most men do get insecure in the face of such comebacks from a woman. The slightly better one to stomach is the kind of woman who talks back just for the sake of it. She is still endurable becaus eone can always ridicule her, and not unjustifiably. The worse is the one who talks back and does it with substance. Like Veena does sometimes. That is just like a sharp knife slashing off against your skin, and it burns. It's not what she says but our own insecurities at play. I personally find such a quality in a woman hot. But I too might be prone to feel that sting if she talks about something I hold dear, tbh. Doesn't make it right on my part though.


When I was watching some of the reaction to her reporting Asif's kartoot to the Scotland Yard etc. (most people thought it made her a woman of low character and felt the need to resort to personal attacks about her morality), I did find myself thinking "Why Veena?" just as she did tonight.

I mean... she's an actor - you can hate her performances in shows, but I think the way she carries herself in the face of constant ridicule is brave and, even, classy.

Btw, not that I would condone it AT ALL, but do you think any mainstream TV show host would dare to do a similar interrogation / character assassination of a Pakistani MAN? Imran the once-playboy? And, even if they did (I think Ali Zafar was on a show being attcked about "embarrassing" scenes from his film recently), would it be met with millions of heads shaking with similar disgust and outrage?

Actually, when she said she was a soft target, she hit the nail on the head. Our society is such that majority do not accept a woman's view, especially a hard hitting one, unless she is dressed in a headscarf and uses a number of Arabic words in her speech, while connecting that view of hers to Islam. Respect to us has become directly connected to appearances. No one cares about the substance of what you are saying anymore. We are a shallow society. : )

You know another thing? In the first part of the interview, where the mufti is calling her a sister over and over again, and telling her how much beauty god has given her, check her smile, around 6: 40 mark and then 12:35 onwards. It's not because she is shy. Look closely at her expression and it tells a lot.

Women like Veena, who come from the entertainment industry, especially ours which has an overwhelming number of people connected to the brothels, these women know men. When she hears him praise her beauty over and over and then emphasize she is his sister, you and I might not think much of it but she knows what's in that man's mind. Who knows how many such men she has had experiences with where she saw the real them. People like Veena and her professional background, they do everything openly. So they are an easy target. But they also do many of those things with people who we do not see. So they know about people's reality more than us. We don't need to start worshipping Veena and her ilk for this, but we shouldn't disregard all their opinions either. They've seen the real world more than most of us who are sheltered by the blanket of 'respectability'.

On the one hand, I see all this. And on the other, I see Veena's talent of manipulation with tears. On top of it all, I see the host's true agenda for the show. This was a fascinating viewing.

[ehjaz]

How the f*** did Asif:asif cope with her?

I think I have just discovered a mystery on why Asif had to resort to marijuana.

Because asif himself is a big f*****g a$$***e.............................period.......s o they both made a perfect couple for that period of time.................

[lahori@denmark]

i dont understand, these same girlz like veena, meera tc doin same or maby more dirty work living in pakistan and we never say a word about it but when they go to india then why make a national issue,

[90MPH]

Don't like Veena, can't stand her and her antics on Bigg Boss.

But who does the host think he is when he lectures Veena that she must seek permission from Pakistan Media before going on Bigg Boss 4 ? She is an easy target for the media.

[Desire]

i didnt even bother to see the videos. guys lets not make threads on this bxtch from now on.

[FastBowler]

And I think that's what makes Pakistani men [extra] uncomfortable and rant on her needlessly. On this forum and elsewhere, I've seen that the same people who admit Asif is a serial cheat and has embarrassed Pakistan will start defending Asif, if not feeling sorry for him "having to put up with this 3itch" and generally finding any reason to diss her. It's fascinating.

When I was watching some of the reaction to her reporting Asif's kartoot to the Scotland Yard etc. (most people thought it made her a woman of low character - and they had reached this conclusion by watching videos of her mujras *ahem* - and felt the need to resort to personal attacks about her morality), I did find myself thinking "Why Veena?" just as she did tonight.

I mean... she's an actor - you can hate her performances in shows, but I think the way she carries herself in the face of constant ridicule is brave and, even, classy.

Btw, not that I would condone it AT ALL, but do you think any mainstream TV show host would dare to do a similar interrogation / character assassination of a Pakistani MAN? Imran the once-playboy? And, even if they did (I think Ali Zafar was on a show being attcked about "embarrassing" scenes from his film recently), would it be met with millions of heads shaking with similar disgust and outrage?



Well, not for everyone, but speaking for myself, I always hated Veena, Asif is just so much more likeable with all he does, its pretty hilarious, but Veena, I hated her ever since I first saw her one Geo.
As to men, you used the worst possible example you could have, Imran. You didn't use any man, you used Imran. No one would dare do something like that with Imran, because he is Imran. That's all there is to it. However, many women a few years ago marched onto the streets calling Imran a womanizer and such.
Apart from that, Asif's just so awesome himself, you know, that you would hate Veena for all that she said anyways. Plus ruining a Pakistani's name.

[kkmix]

How can anyone, in their right frame of mind, defend her, it's hard to imagine.

[Amir]

I don't believe this whole she is a target because she is a woman. She is a target because, well...she wants it. No one put a gun to her head and asked her to go onto Big Boss and she did. She shoudl realize that millions watching and she will get even the smallest flak for picking her nose. Not because she is a woman but because that is how these shows are designed. We have Big Brother here in US/Canada and TV critics comment on the behaviour of people. If you act stupid, you will get called on it.

Furthermore, why is it in the media more? Because she wants it again. No one is asking her to come out and do these interviews. She is only putting more gasoline on the fire. Like I said, either way people are going to say something....but if she learnt from Asif, she can take a step back, quietly ignore them and she will get less media coverage. Look at the recent scandal, even on PP, Butt and Amir had so many threads created on them while Asif didn't have as many....why? Because he stayed in the dark.

I don't have sympathy for her, nor do I believe she is some target because she is a woman. She is a target for her own want of publicity. Plain and simple.

[cricfan4ever]

Veena Malik, what sass. She had the courage to say it like it is. When the maulvi was going on about how his dear behen should not misuse her God-given khoobsurti, she asked him where he had seen this khoobsurti, given that in Islam the first, unintentional look is forgiven but thereafter you must lower your gaze. The host also got involved and asked how the maulvi could find his behen hot. Dude was speechless.

:))) :))) :)))

I couldn't stop laughing when she got the Mufti on that...but I think the Mufti in his defense said that he heard from ppl that she's blessed with good looks so that's how he was saying "husn-e-jamal" etc.

but props to Veena she did hold her own especially when she says why can't Mufti sahab issue fatwas against the corrupt politicians f t he country etc...the host was a bit of an idiot...

besides this whole thing is Ridiculous after watching it...I can't believe ppl waste so much time focusing on some1 else's life rather than their own!!!

at the end while crying she makes valid points...every single person who apparently had an issue with her only focused on the so called 'non-acceptable' actions of hers but failed to stand up for her when she was getting abused on the show...I am taking it at face-value...but than again it's human nature to do so...

I never watched the show...but after watching this clip it's simply pointless and rather bizarre...none of us have the right to question her as it's her personal life...

I can see now though why :asif dated her...the fox-trait in him is apparent! though she could use a bit of Asif's skill when it comes to handling controversies! :)))

[PakPassionate]

Has Veena malik sunk down our nation’s respect ?


ncsVQ1zL7Rk

[Sir john]

what a comedy/drama queen.:snack:

[cricfan4ever]

Has Veena malik sunk down our nation’s respect ?


ncsVQ1zL7Rk

you have got to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there are bigger issues in the country and people are wasting time on this??? no wonder we are in such dire states! :facepalm:

[Amir]

^^Exactly, the day we accept some C-grade actress looking for any role in Bollywood as a representation of our nation, then that is the day we have sunk as a nation. Not her who has sunk it, but us by putting her on a pedestal.

I don't think her actions in any way represented Islam or Pakistan. However, she shouldn't go around telling people what is and is not acceptable in Islam (haven't watched the video but the giving massage to boy/girl comment :)) )

[Desire]

:))) :))) :)))

I couldn't stop laughing when she got the Mufti on that...but I think the Mufti in his defense said that he heard from ppl that she's blessed with good looks so that's how he was saying "husn-e-jamal" etc.

but props to Veena she did hold her own especially when she says why can't Mufti sahab issue fatwas against the corrupt politicians f t he country etc...the host was a bit of an idiot...

besides this whole thing is Ridiculous after watching it...I can't believe ppl waste so much time focusing on some1 else's life rather than their own!!!

at the end while crying she makes valid points...every single person who apparently had an issue with her only focused on the so called 'non-acceptable' actions of hers but failed to stand up for her when she was getting abused on the show...I am taking it at face-value...but than again it's human nature to do so...

I never watched the show...but after watching this clip it's simply pointless and rather bizarre...none of us have the right to question her as it's her personal life...I can see now though why :asif dated her...the fox-trait in him is apparent! though she could use a bit of Asif's skill when it comes to handling controversies! :)))

so when molvis meet, they discuss veena malik??
so you are not concerned what happens in your neighborhood, town, city, country??

[cricfan4ever]

^^Exactly, the day we accept some C-grade actress looking for any role in Bollywood as a representation of our nation, then that is the day we have sunk as a nation. Not her who has sunk it, but us by putting her on a pedestal.

I don't think her actions in any way represented Islam or Pakistan. However, she shouldn't go around telling people what is and is not acceptable in Islam (haven't watched the video but the giving massage to boy/girl comment :)) )

they don't represent Islam that's for sure...but it wouldn't be a stretch to say that our culture for a large part is not anything different from India's now...at leas the mainstream culture that we see through these channels of ARY & GEO...

but she made lots of valid points that's for sure...anyhow, point is people are wasting time on such pointless issues...imagine if WE the people spent this much energy & time in revolting against the corrupt how far we would go!!!

but we'd rather sit our a$$es at home and criticize others for their actions WITHOUT reflecting & rectifying our own actions!

we have no right to criticize Veena for her actions when we ourselves indulge in many activities that are non-Islamic...only thing would be to ask her to not promote her actions as acceptable according to Islam...that's the only thing wrong here...

as for what she does on some lame reality show that's her business...and reality shows don't add any value to our nation anyways...

[cricfan4ever]

so when molvis meet, they discuss veena malik??
so you are not concerned what happens in your neighborhood, town, city, country??

:)))

that would be interesting eh? but that's not the case...from what I understand, it seems the 'public' brought attention to this issue to the Mufti and that's how he came to know about Veena's looks...that's what I got from this show...

[cricfan4ever]

so when molvis meet, they discuss veena malik??
so you are not concerned what happens in your neighborhood, town, city, country??

I'd like to say that if we start basing our nation's integrity on some lame reality show or w/e than we really have sunk low...

these people are actors/artists...and when you become a part of that industry you pretty much do w/e it takes to win in that game...

besides this show was not a religious one and neither a nationality based one...

[sanakazmi]

Did you catch the bit in the show where the muti, while addressing her, says "as a fan"?

Ha.

[Desire]

I'd like to say that if we start basing our nation's integrity on some lame reality show or w/e than we really have sunk low...

these people are actors/artists...and when you become a part of that industry you pretty much do w/e it takes to win in that game...

besides this show was not a religious one and neither a nationality based one...

you are right. how can i criticize veena when movies made in pakistan have lot more vulgarity than what veena might have done in india. veena has a case.

[sanakazmi]

Most men do get insecure in the face of such comebacks from a woman. The slightly better one to stomach is the kind of woman who talks back just for the sake of it. She is still endurable becaus eone can always ridicule her, and not unjustifiably. The worse is the one who talks back and does it with substance. Like Veena does sometimes. That is just like a sharp knife slashing off against your skin, and it burns. It's not what she says but our own insecurities at play. I personally find such a quality in a woman hot. But I too might be prone to feel that sting if she talks about something I hold dear, tbh. Doesn't make it right on my part though.




Actually, when she said she was a soft target, she hit the nail on the head. Our society is such that majority do not accept a woman's view, especially a hard hitting one, unless she is dressed in a headscarf and uses a number of Arabic words in her speech, while connecting that view of hers to Islam. Respect to us has become directly connected to appearances. No one cares about the substance of what you are saying anymore. We are a shallow society. : )

You know another thing? In the first part of the interview, where the mufti is calling her a sister over and over again, and telling her how much beauty god has given her, check her smile, around 6: 40 mark and then 12:35 onwards. It's not because she is shy. Look closely at her expression and it tells a lot.

Women like Veena, who come from the entertainment industry, especially ours which has an overwhelming number of people connected to the brothels, these women know men. When she hears him praise her beauty over and over and then emphasize she is his sister, you and I might not think much of it but she knows what's in that man's mind. Who knows how many such men she has had experiences with where she saw the real them. People like Veena and her professional background, they do everything openly. So they are an easy target. But they also do many of those things with people who we do not see. So they know about people's reality more than us. We don't need to start worshipping Veena and her ilk for this, but we shouldn't disregard all their opinions either. They've seen the real world more than most of us who are sheltered by the blanket of 'respectability'.

On the one hand, I see all this. And on the other, I see Veena's talent of manipulation with tears. On top of it all, I see the host's true agenda for the show. This was a fascinating viewing.

Interesting point about Veena being more likely to see through the mufti's hypocrisy. I think we all have a good idea about how clean our muftis is - I mean, our religious affairs minister has been in the news non-stop for his part in a HAJJ SCANDAL.

About her tears being manipulative - sure, she was in the show with an agenda, but so? Everything she said needed to be said, and you can't blame her for standing up for herself.

[blinding light]

I don't believe this whole she is a target because she is a woman. She is a target because, well...she wants it. No one put a gun to her head and asked her to go onto Big Boss and she did. She shoudl realize that millions watching and she will get even the smallest flak for picking her nose. Not because she is a woman but because that is how these shows are designed. We have Big Brother here in US/Canada and TV critics comment on the behaviour of people. If you act stupid, you will get called on it.

Furthermore, why is it in the media more? Because she wants it again. No one is asking her to come out and do these interviews. She is only putting more gasoline on the fire. Like I said, either way people are going to say something....but if she learnt from Asif, she can take a step back, quietly ignore them and she will get less media coverage. Look at the recent scandal, even on PP, Butt and Amir had so many threads created on them while Asif didn't have as many....why? Because he stayed in the dark.

I don't have sympathy for her, nor do I believe she is some target because she is a woman. She is a target for her own want of publicity. Plain and simple.

THANK YOU! :14:

Honestly the post I was looking for in this entire thread!

The dramaybaazi in the end clearly revealed it all. I am not siding with the tharki maulvi at all, but Veena is clearly delusional if she thinks that "what she does was not wrong at all." I absolutely cringed at the way she was screaming at the maulvi, not giving him a chance to speak or finish his words even. Anytime I see someone screaming like that on television, I immediately think that these guys don't even have the manners to speak properly- hence whatever it is that they're saying just doesn't matter anymore - for me, its automatically jargon. Again, like someone said before me, how many uninterrupted seconds did maulvi have in the whole show? And maulvi sahb was an enigma in its own right - I mean, dude, the woman is losing her mind why the hell are you using all sorts of adjectives from your lughat to say whatever you want to say? Just get to damn point!!

Everyone has some sort of a social responsibility to one another. And Veena would know better about the dominant mindset in Pakistan. She probably knows the mentality of men more than perhaps most other people, the fact that they can pay to see her doing stuff for which they could even kill their own daughters or sisters had they done it. She knows how well-defined the term "fahaash" is in Pakistan. She knows she will be lambasted for whatever it is that she did. Why not just AVOID those things rather than think that she can be the saviour of the nation and all liberal schools of thought by her "brave" show at big boss and defence at Frontline.

In the first part of the show, she makes it a point to prove that she was representing "Veena Malik" not a "Sindhi or a Balochi or a Punjabi or a Pashtun." Towards the end of the show, she was sobbing and crying saying "Where was my country and my media when flaan flaan XYZ called me whatever??" Make up your mind woman! What is it that you want?

She may not be as worse than what other actresses have done. Agreed. But going in a country like India to do a show like Big Boss she should have known of the generalisations people unthinkingly make. And she was extremely unclear on the nature of the tasks that she was required to do on the show. Did it require snuggling up to nameless people? And she pretends like giving massages was the biggest "khidmat" that she has done in the world - oh save it!

Overall, the show was a waste of time, the maulvi was a waste of time and so was Veena. But she's proved that point time and time again.

[Aditya Khanna]

"maine ek kaffir ko namaz padhwaya"

Asmit would be that kaffir?

[saadibaba]

However cheap and crass Veena Malik maybe, I loved the thrashing she gave to the Maulvi. Never seen someone go after the maulvi's with that vengeance.

[Invictus]

She is an actress looking for her lime-light. That's all this is and will be. Anyone making this into anything else is being extremely naive. This is her 15 minutes of fame and she is working it like a pro.

[Maula Jutt]

Interesting point about Veena being more likely to see through the mufti's hypocrisy. I think we all have a good idea about how clean our muftis is - I mean, our religious affairs minister has been in the news non-stop for his part in a HAJJ SCANDAL.

About her tears being manipulative - sure, she was in the show with an agenda, but so? Everything she said needed to be said, and you can't blame her for standing up for herself.

The problem I have with her tears and drama is that while the points she makes need to be made in our society, but when she so obviously uses acting to get them through, she loses major chunks of credibility and class. If she said all this gracefully, she would have been quite effective. This way she has moved the focus of the audience from what she is saying to how she is saying it.

[blinding light]

She is an actress looking for her lime-light. That's all this is and will be. Anyone making this into anything else is being extremely naive. This is her 15 minutes of fame and she is working it like a pro.

Never truer words said.

She'll come on the morning show on Samaa TV tomorrow. Expect some new drama :/

Waisey by the way, its high time this forum introduces a Veena smiley! :D

[ehjaz]

However cheap and crass Veena Malik maybe, I loved the thrashing she gave to the Maulvi. Never seen someone go after the maulvi's with that vengeance.

When she sill die, the same type of maulvi will offer her "namaz-e-janaza".................

[sanakazmi]

The problem I have with her tears and drama is that while the points she makes need to be made in our society, but when she so obviously uses acting to get them through, she loses major chunks of credibility and class. If she said all this gracefully, she would have been quite effective. This way she has moved the focus of the audience from what she is saying to how she is saying it.

Come on, be honest now - there is no way graceful enough for her to have said this. The truth is that in the hearts and minds of our hypocritical nation, she had already been judged before she came on this show and nothing she said or did was going to change that.

(Case in point earlier in this thread too from someone who admits they watched the show but didn't really listen cuz it didn't matter what she said).

I see what you're saying about there being a better way to present things if the primary objective was to question the hypocrisy of our society etc. Two problems with that: 1) it's not her battle - she was on the show to defend herself. 2) She is an actress and she is dramatic in all her public appearances - wouldn't have felt real if she went for the soft-spoken, nuanced argument.

[Amir]

Come on, be honest now - there is no way graceful enough for her to have said this.

Yes, going on national television and committing shameful acts is the best form of protest. Trust me sana, for the stuff she did, she would get criticized immensely in Canada and the States (from what I read she did, like washing peoples chaddi's). Her actions weren't shameful for the nation, they were pretty shameful for a person all together.

2) She is an actress and she is dramatic in all her public appearances - wouldn't have felt real if she went for the soft-spoken, nuanced argument.

Doesn't mean she needs to act the way she does. I have seen her past interviews and she is just one of those that shouts random things adn eventually, somewhere in between, one thing is a valid point. But everything else she shouted around it makes her look less smart.

[cricfan4ever]

Did you catch the bit in the show where the muti, while addressing her, says "as a fan"?

Ha.

must've missed it due to so much non-stop argument and loud voice! :)))

[Maula Jutt]

Come on, be honest now - there is no way graceful enough for her to have said this. The truth is that in the hearts and minds of our hypocritical nation, she had already been judged before she came on this show and nothing she said or did was going to change that.

There is always a graceful way to say anything. The way she was making her points before she started crying was good enough. After she started crying (and I am perfectly sure they were fake just to get sympathy because I know she is a much stronger woman) she messed it all up.

And no, I don't buy the argument in this thread that she started shouting and didn't let the mufti speak. If one focusses, the mufti was speaking quite loudly himself and was quite difficult to interrupt by both Veena and the host. It's just that Veena's speaker was louder, don't know if it was intentional or because she was sitting in the studio.

(Case in point earlier in this thread too from someone who admits they watched the show but didn't really listen cuz it didn't matter what she said).

And she delivered on it, didn't she? They watch it waiting for her to start her drama and she delivers every single time.


I see what you're saying about there being a better way to present things if the primary objective was to question the hypocrisy of our society etc. Two problems with that: 1) it's not her battle - she was on the show to defend herself. 2) She is an actress and she is dramatic in all her public appearances - wouldn't have felt real if she went for the soft-spoken, nuanced argument.

1) How can it not be her battle? She came to defend herself against the hypocrisy of the society. The whole show was about her against this hypocrisy. She came knowing this fully well, and will continue her appearances on TV for quite a while to milk the publicity from this controversy for as long as she can. It's all about her battle. She is not being dragged to the studios to answer. If she starts refusing such appearances today, by next week she will be forgotten. She knows that. But she still appears everywhere and that's only for publicity. Anyone not seeing that aspect is being naive.

2) She is an actress but she needs to drop the act when appearing on talk shows. She doesn't have to be soft spoken but she doesn't need to over react and start crying either. By doing so, she ridicules the points she makes and that pisses me off.

[hayat]

if it weren't for pakistani audience, she wouldn't been making news like it is The Great News since sliced bread on every frigging news channel

pak audience want masala news, sensationalism sells and this is exactly what these channels are feeding people and 'newsmakers', like veena malik, are just making hay while the sun shines

[Looney]

i dont understand, these same girlz like veena, meera tc doin same or maby more dirty work living in pakistan and we never say a word about it but when they go to india then why make a national issue,

Yes i think Iman Ali once also said same thing in her interview when she was asked what she thinks about Pakistani actresses and models going to India for work . she said it is good because of the same reason

[Maula Jutt]

if it weren't for pakistani audience, she wouldn't been making news like it is The Great News since sliced bread on every frigging news channel

pak audience want masala news, sensationalism sells and this is exactly what these channels are feeding people and 'newsmakers', like veena malik, are just making hay while the sun shines

That is true for every audience in the world.

[hayat]

That is true for every audience in the world.
most may be but not all, not every audience has patience and falto time to waste on such celebs, you know

[cricfan4ever]

if it weren't for pakistani audience, she wouldn't been making news like it is The Great News since sliced bread on every frigging news channel

pak audience want masala news, sensationalism sells and this is exactly what these channels are feeding people and 'newsmakers', like veena malik, are just making hay while the sun shines

it's not just the Pakistani audience...it's the same for any other nation's people...take for Example the whole 'Lindsay Lohan case' here in the States! or the infamous Kayne West's interruption & humiliation at the time Taylor Swift was receiving her first Grammy Award or w/e...it's nothing different! it was made into a HUGEEEEEEEEEe issue cuz it was a Black man vs a White teenage Girl...it was everywhere on the news 24/7...

you can basically take any local celebrity of any country & substitute them for Veena Malik and the result will be the same...

it's one vicious cycle and the masses are in such a trance that they can't get out of it!

sometime ago it was Meera, now it's Veena tomorrow it will be someone else!

[Maula Jutt]

most may be but not all, not every audience has patience and falto time to waste on such celebs, you know

These kind of dramas gain ratings the world over. Masses love it, no matter where they are from. If you're talking about niche audiences, then they aren't masses and therefore don't matter to media conglomerates.

[SAF]

Worst things are happening in lollywood movies than what Veena malik did in India.
W T F is up with Geo and Pakistan media? Why dont they make a special show on "Everything that is wrong in Pakistan" instead of dedicating their show (and time) on Veena Malik. :facepalm:

[Khabri420]

Come on Zardari, do the right thing and award Veena Malik with Nishan-e-Imtiaz, afterall she did survive for 84 days on Big Boss aur usne Ashmit ko namaaz bhi parayee thee.

[hayat]

maula jutt: right, TRP matters

fastbowler: kaun marketing ka banda hai?

[dhump]

Farigh Qoum.

[Indiafan]

The only thing I see wrong here is giving her all the attention she is craving, whether its through Big Boss or such interviews

[dps2009]

mufti saab got pwned by veena mallik! my respect for this woman has gone up after seeing this interview.

[MRSN]

Veena crying again,tune to Express news

[Shahrukh Khan]

lol she is again on Express in same program. http://www.zemtv.com/2011/01/23/hyper-veena-malik-vs-syed-noor-in-front-line-23rd-january-2011/

[blinding light]

:)))

Can someone summarise her second appearance at the Frontline for me pls?! :))

[kaalakawaa]

^ "Mei Naik hoon, shareef hoon, khoobsurat hoon, jawaaan hoon"

[blinding light]

^ "Mei Naik hoon, shareef hoon, khoobsurat hoon, jawaaan hoon"

Ppppppfffffffffftttttttttt!!! :))

Damn now I am SO tempted to see that show again! :D

Stupid morning class :12:

[90MPH]

My support for Veena has gone up after that new video.

[KSaeed]

She wanted attention and she got it- just ignore the antics of a stupid, arrogant woman who doesn't give a s*** about Islam or Pakistan.

[FastBowler]

She wanted attention and she got it- just ignore the antics of a stupid, arrogant woman who doesn't give a s*** about Islam or Pakistan.



Also the exact same can be sad about the molvi.

[pakcricketfan]

Surely that must have been a repeat telecast of the show the other day..Don't tell me she re-appeared on the show?! :facepalm:

[kkmix]

she is a being targeted because she is a voo-maan :))

ay Allah, why do we have idiots like her and meera in our country...Hamara kya kasoor tha. haha

[bobwoolmersarmy]

defending herself against what?

whore-ism

[Looney]

My support for Veena has gone up after that new video.

same here . she raised very good points and some very shocking ones ie kids being raped by Maulvis in mosques . Nobody is insulting the Mufti for repeatedly appreciating her sister's husn o jamal . It is sickening

[cricfan4ever]

I am sure Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, Atif Aslam, Ali Zafar, Javed Sheikh, Faakhir and loads of other male artists as well as female artists represent ISLAM and so called 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan' when they go to India for projects :))) :))) :)))

what people fail to realize that Veena or any other artist from Pakistan for that matter does not represent ISLAM...they only represent the ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY of Pakistan which is not any different from that of India's or the West nowadays...how hard is that to comprehend??? if anything our artists represent the Secular part of our society...and when we ourselves watch such programs or see these artists perform and sing songs, we ourselves than participate in secular activities...these are not Islamic activities...a distinction which the masses fail to make and the media plays it's role in further brainwashing them to the point where their critical thinking is shut off & non-existant!

did people expect Veena to act like a Muslimah on a non-Islamic show??? And if people had such reservations against her appearing in Big Boss than why did they even watch that stupid show in the first place???

it wouldn't be a stretch to say our nation is more of a Secular state than an Islamic one and it has been for quite a long time now...so to expect the Pakistani artists to act like Muslims in such an industry would be flat out foolish...so in essence than, these artists do reflect the current Secular state of Pakistan on international platform...not the Islamic state on which Pakistan came into existence...

I mean FFS our dramas/serials promote more secularism now more than any other form of entertainment media in Pakistan! in other words, more non-Islamic things...Entertainment industry in itself is non-Islamic but of course we won't raise fingers at the root problem...hypocrisy at its best nothing else!

:facepalm:

[90MPH]

Syed Noor is one big hypocrite as well.

[161]

Qadri the Murderer - National Hero
Veena the Hugger - National Disgrace


Shaabash Pakistanio ... what wonderful values.


And do remember the rest of the world is following these fiascoes.

[161]

Yes, going on national television and committing shameful acts is the best form of protest. Trust me sana, for the stuff she did, she would get criticized immensely in Canada and the States

Not at all true.

This story has gotten some press here and people are strongly supportive of Veena and not the mullahs or little boys who seem to be intimdated by women.

[kkmix]

It's the fact she went to INDIA and did whatever she did, is hard to digest for Pakistanis, which is understandable, knowing the relationship between India and Pakistan.

If she went to UK or US and did whatever she did, she wouldn't get criticized for it. Simple.

[cricfan4ever]

just watched the 2nd Video and I Must say Mr.Syed Noor doesn't make sense...

on one hand he's against the actions of Veena in some reality show but wouldn't mind if it was done in a movie huh? where's the logic there? :facepalm:

how is doing that stuff in a movie justified if we are talking about Islam???????

and than the first 2 callers...FFS they asked lame questions!!!

Atiqa is the only that made sense and Veena once again defended herself quite well...yes lot of her actions were not right Islamically but they were perfectly in tune with the entertainment industry of Pakistan as well not just India...

some of you have nailed it...just because she went to India and did this, it has pissed ppl off which is hypocritical to begin with since a large majority of us watch Bollywood movies, and dance to their tunes and sing their songs in our weddings but we don't seem to have a problem with that...

Mr.Noor confirms this too by saying that if she had gone to UK and done this it would be tolerable...he nails it right there and than! :facepalm:

[Cosmic]

veena has Cross All the limits of vulgarity, she has done other wouldn't do it . I saw all episode of big boss and i was so ashamed that even hindus were saying they didn't see shameless girl like veena ya manoj tiwari saying this....even dolli bindra was saying same shame on veena she should apologize all the nation.....

[cricfan4ever]

veena has Cross All the limits of vulgarity, she has done other wouldn't do it . I saw all episode of big boss and i was so ashamed that even hindus were saying they didn't see shameless girl like veena ya manoj tiwari saying this....even dolli bindra was saying same shame on veena she should apologize all the nation.....

oh bhai if u'r such a saint than why were u watching this third class show to begin with?

[kkmix]

cricfan4ever, are you veena malik in disguise?

[Cosmic]

oh bhai if u'r such a saint than why were u watching this third class show to begin with?



R u insane u didn,t get the point my brother....I saw bigBoss 3 also there was german girl but she didn,t cross that limit veena did ,,,,this show is so popular around asia even ary digital still showing the finish show.....Even Hindu are saying this girl is vulgar... that means she has done something wrong there in the show.....:gul

[MIG]

What is this fascination with third rate Indian trash featuring third rate Pakistani actor? Even the Indians I know dont care or watch this ! People should have some sharam even talking about this topic

[Cosmic]

cricfan4ever, are you veena malik in disguise?



Ya May be....


This Cricfan Is Not Understanding it Man Bigboss 4 Was Telecast All Over in the world....Has Huge Coverage Bcoz Of Salman Good Films Recently....and This Vulgar Veena Should Behave herself there .......I agree With Syed Noor if She Had Done in Uk it would be acceptable bcz it would not be that much popular and may be some of the guyz would have that channel of uk inwhich the show would come....and you people living in UK Now that What people do in big brother brasil doing what-ever they want ....and it go un-notice if you waana check on youtube brasils big-brother

[Cosmic]

What is this fascination with third rate Indian trash featuring third rate Pakistani actor? Even the Indians I know dont care or watch this ! People should have some sharam even talking about this topic

Man If You Live in Arab Country would be facing taunting from Over-rated Indian Muslims......

[slix10]

She is such a feminist, lol.

She talks a lot of crap, but can't take it and breaks down when the other person talks crap about her.

I don't think pak will ever accept her, I mean the close-minded and barred culture we have of calling people sluts and whores if a girl hugs a guy. She should just move and act somewhere else more accepting.

[cricfan4ever]

Ya May be....


This Cricfan Is Not Understanding it Man Bigboss 4 Was Telecast All Over in the world....Has Huge Coverage Bcoz Of Salman Good Films Recently....and This Vulgar Veena Should Behave herself there .......I agree With Syed Noor if She Had Done in Uk it would be acceptable bcz it would not be that much popular and may be some of the guyz would have that channel of uk inwhich the show would come....and you people living in UK Now that What people do in big brother brasil doing what-ever they want ....and it go un-notice if you waana check on youtube brasils big-brother

so you're saying if she did the same thing in some lame show in UK it would be ACCEPTABLE in accordance to ISLAM and OUR SO CALLED CULTURE? but it's wrong cuz she did it in INDIA in some lame reality show!

how does doing that stuff in UK or US or any other country is ACCEPTABLE but it's not in INDIA? in this case it's not acceptable ANYWHERE!

if you took the time to read my previous posts in this thread you wouldn't come up with such an illogical response...

Hypocrisy at its best!

ENOUGH SAID!

[cricfan4ever]

cricfan4ever, are you veena malik in disguise?

no i am not...and if you had taken the time to read my previous posts in this thread you wouldn't resort to such a stupid response...

[kkmix]

no i am not...and if you had taken the time to read my previous posts in this thread you wouldn't resort to such a stupid response...

lol okay man, who cares, she is not important, we shouldn't be discussing about this third class actress.

[Amir]

Not at all true.

This story has gotten some press here and people are strongly supportive of Veena and not the mullahs or little boys who seem to be intimdated by women.

Yeah, they are siding with her on the ridiculous lawsuit against her. I think people should be free to practice their religion and with that they are siding. But in no way are they siding with her on washing people's chaddi's. That is just downright humiliating and in-dignified. Media here tear into people who do such things.

I just hate how she is coming on TV and whining how the media not supporting her and how she is a target. Its just all so fake. She is a target because she wants to be and my real issue is with her coming on TV, doing all these interviews, forcing out the fake tears and poor suckers like yourself who gobble it up and feel bad.

She comes up with these dumb interviews, where the show is about her but she just looks for a misdirection tactics. Look, just come out...say "Okay this is my life and this is how I choose to live it. Deal with it." Rather she has to make a big drama-baazi and again, poor suckers like yourself egg her on and believe she is takign a stand. She is not takign a stand, she is working her 15 minutes of fame as Invictus said. And for that I feel no sympathy in that regard.

[Amir]

I am sure Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, Atif Aslam, Ali Zafar, Javed Sheikh, Faakhir and loads of other male artists as well as female artists represent ISLAM and so called 'Islamic Republic of Pakistan' when they go to India for projects :))) :))) :)))

what people fail to realize that Veena or any other artist from Pakistan for that matter does not represent ISLAM...they only represent the ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY of Pakistan which is not any different from that of India's or the West nowadays...how hard is that to comprehend??? if anything our artists represent the Secular part of our society...and when we ourselves watch such programs or see these artists perform and sing songs, we ourselves than participate in secular activities...these are not Islamic activities...a distinction which the masses fail to make and the media plays it's role in further brainwashing them to the point where their critical thinking is shut off & non-existant!

did people expect Veena to act like a Muslimah on a non-Islamic show??? And if people had such reservations against her appearing in Big Boss than why did they even watch that stupid show in the first place???

it wouldn't be a stretch to say our nation is more of a Secular state than an Islamic one and it has been for quite a long time now...so to expect the Pakistani artists to act like Muslims in such an industry would be flat out foolish...so in essence than, these artists do reflect the current Secular state of Pakistan on international platform...not the Islamic state on which Pakistan came into existence...

I mean FFS our dramas/serials promote more secularism now more than any other form of entertainment media in Pakistan! in other words, more non-Islamic things...Entertainment industry in itself is non-Islamic but of course we won't raise fingers at the root problem...hypocrisy at its best nothing else!

:facepalm:

Yeah good post, you hit on all the right points.

[cricfan4ever]

Yeah good post, you hit on all the right points.

thank you for agreeing!

I am in no way endorsing Veena's actions but people fail to take the context in which she acted the way she did...

this whole thing has been made out to look like Veena was there as a Muslimah trying to represent Islam...FFS she was not there to represent Islam and she clearly said this herself...In addition she also said she was there to represent the Entertainment industry as she's an entertainer in the 1st program with Kamran Shahid!!!

as for representing Pakistan, is our CULTURE really ISLAMIC or is it more SECULAR now? It's safe to say it's more SECULAR than ISLAMIC!

so when we talk about culture again Veena is not out of the line...but again what she was doing was pretty much representative of the Entertainment Industry and not Islam or even our so called 'Muslim' culture...

[Cosmic]

so you're saying if she did the same thing in some lame show in UK it would be ACCEPTABLE in accordance to ISLAM and OUR SO CALLED CULTURE? but it's wrong cuz she did it in INDIA in some lame reality show!

how does doing that stuff in UK or US or any other country is ACCEPTABLE but it's not in INDIA? in this case it's not acceptable ANYWHERE!

if you took the time to read my previous posts in this thread you wouldn't come up with such an illogical response...

Hypocrisy at its best!

ENOUGH SAID!



Did i Say Acceptable in Islam Did I No I Didn,t and i Have that Time To Read Your Post .....You Didn't get My Point Either The Coverage intensity of the show will not effect that much in pakistan as in india the hype......Imran Khan Were Also Accused of Sita-White Father Was in Media Not That Much Hype......



And About Pakistani Films Tell Me Who Watch Them I think Only Dihati People Watch That Films and Even I don,t Know Even a Single Film Name Now Pakistani TV is doing Way Better Than Cinema So people Watch Serial and Political Shows Are On Boom Not a Single Good films are there of pakistan

She Has Done Wrong and She Has To Apologies Pakistani Nation Other-wise 75% Population will Not Accept her as an good actress...

[ehjaz]

I dont know why they are giving so much importance to such a rotten egg.......

[QazzarFan]

It's the fact she went to INDIA and did whatever she did, is hard to digest for Pakistanis, which is understandable, knowing the relationship between India and Pakistan.

If she went to UK or US and did whatever she did, she wouldn't get criticized for it. Simple.



that's the dumbest/hypocritical/most asinine excuse I've ever seen.

[Strike!]

Embarrassing stuff all round i say, From a sensationalist hungry media channel, To an attention hungry actress.

[blinding light]

Veena Malik, a conceited, delusional self-loving, shallow hollow of a so-called feminist.

I'm studying Feminism in quite detail in Sociology, and Feminism does not apply to media-hoggers like VM. She is doing nothing to raise the status of women in the society and please do not elevate her to that level either. Trust me, coming from someone whose studying this field, Veena is using the "voo-man" card to justify her antics. I bet she wouldn't care less about what happens to any other "voo-man" once she's through with everything.

[sanakazmi]

^ feminism applies to everyone. that she is the profession of promoting herself doesn't change anything.

[blinding light]

When FEMINISTS work, they do it for the better of the entire female population. A couple of hundred females may have begun the Women's Liberation Movement but the change that it brought in the US was monumental and speaks for itself. What they demand is something that would benefit the entire fem. population at large.

Screaming one's throat off and crying in order to provide defence for one's actions is not going to affect you or I or any other female for that matter. If Veena is successful, then the most that could happen is that you can have a revised opinion on the whole issue, I can have my own take on the whole thing and thats it. The affect would not reach just Lahore or Karachi, let alone the entire country.

Besides the point -
And I'm laughing at whenever Veena says "Minus 10 degrees" - shouldn't she be freezing to death in that cold? And is it really that cold outdoors in Mumbai? (from what footage I have infered, it seems as if they're outdoors) Fog is emitted from one's mouth in temperatures as low as 10 degrees, why was it not there when it was MINUS 10?

:)

[blinding light]

Hey am I missing some part?

I did not see her cry in the 2nd show..

[sanakazmi]

If she can change even one person's mind about the hypocrisy evident in the reaction she's got, she's done her bit.

Also, the contention that she's under some sort of obligation to work for the betterment of the entire female population is silly. She's in the business of show-business and has every right to put her interests before anyone else's. That she speaks for many women (and men) who want a fairer and less hypocritical society is a bonus, but definitely not her duty.

And I don't see how your questioning her claim about being cold in the sub-zero degree temperature has anything to do with feminism, but I've been out at much lower temperatures, and can tell you it's not a surefire recipe for death. Of course, if you're an old man sleeping on the street without cover, you can die "of the cold" in much higher temperatures too.

[blinding light]

If she can change even one person's mind about the hypocrisy evident in the reaction she's got, she's done her bit.

Also, the contention that she's under some sort of obligation to work for the betterment of the entire female population is silly. She's in the business of show-business and has every right to put her interests before anyone else's. That she speaks for many women (and men) who want a fairer and less hypocritical society is a bonus, but definitely not her duty.

And I don't see how your questioning her claim about being cold in the sub-zero degree temperature has anything to do with feminism, but I've been out at much lower temperatures, and can tell you it's not a surefire recipe for death. Of course, if you're an old man sleeping on the street without cover, you can die "of the cold" in much higher temperatures too.

^ It isn't, thats why I said BESIDES the point :P
Yes but is her claim of being in a sub-zero climate even true? Or is that just an exaggeration? I don't think there was ever a -10 climate in Mumbai - EVER. Maritime cities do not have such temperatures. Again, I presume it was outdoors - they didn't have many shots of the roof in Big boss.

I think we're divided on what we make of the issue. You are generally discussing hypocrisy within the society. I am criticising Veena's "defence" of whatever she did in that show. And what irks me is that some posters call her a "feminist."

My argument is just for those who call her a fem. IF she was one, she'd be doing THIS for the sole intention of bettering the society for women. Presently, my opinion is that she's only doing it for herself, to clear her name, to restore her "prestige" or whatever you may want to call it. Even MEERA of all the people in the world called her "cheap". Had Meera done what Veena did in Big Boss, I'm sure Veena would be flinging mud at her. My point basically is that if Veena WERE a feminist, she'd be having a go at men for greater things than "mujhey usne yeh kahaa.." - stuff that the entire female pop. feels about. I politely disagree - there isn't the slightest notion of this whole thing being SILLY - because women have taken initiative for this cause and succeeded. Sadly to say, Veena isn't here to fulfill anything of the sort. At least thats not what I make of it.

There is hypocrisy in the society. Being a girl, I was raised with this notion that whatever happens, a girl's rep. is like a fragile crystal, once broken it can never be fixed. Unlike men, whom no one question, no one doubts. So I agree with the fact that the hypocrisy part IS there. But she isn't here to earn the bonus, she just wants to "clear her name in this awaam ki adaalat".

And Kamran Shahid is an idiot. I concur. I was impressed by his countenance in a seminar but the guy's an idiot.

[in_cutter]

Waste

[dps2009]

VM makes it to philly inquirer!
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20110124_Tattle_.html

[Cosmic]

So What The Hell I See Many Blankets In Room What A lier She Is....She Want To Create Heat In A Ashmit Kambals..>What A Besharam Aurat....Even She Was Fighting With A Host What a Daracula...I Followed her shows on geo Hum-sub umeed sai hain after making asif look guilty she is the real ***** should be boycotted from all section of the society....I am quite suprised how hindus were saying that she is vulgar.....Indian Do Vulgar But Not on a that popular show...But This Days Sharakukh Khan Idiot also making cheap Jokes With Shahid Kapoor if some body seet the star awards// These Actors Have Any Limit ......

[tpass]

So What The Hell I See Many Blankets In Room What A lier She Is....She Want To Create Heat In A Ashmit Kambals..>What A Besharam Aurat....Even She Was Fighting With A Host What a Daracula...I Followed her shows on geo Hum-sub umeed sai hain after making asif look guilty she is the real ***** should be boycotted from all section of the society....I am quite suprised how hindus were saying that she is vulgar.....Indian Do Vulgar But Not on a that popular show...But This Days Sharakukh Khan Idiot also making cheap Jokes With Shahid Kapoor if some body seet the star awards// These Actors Have Any Limit ......

i totally agree some of bollywood stars throws cheap joke like Sharukh, Farah Khan and her brother.

I also agree that some the thing in BigBoss was not appropriate.

But to go after Veena like this is utterly nonsense.

Is it possible that TV host and actors are making fuss out of this due to envy and most people falling for it?