This World Cup will be won by default

[Cpt. Rishwat]

the extraordinary lengths taken by some countries and their media to weaken the opposition reminds me of the emergency ICC laws brought out to limit the effectiveness of the West Indies pace attack.

All it does at the end of the day is show their insecurity and sour their manipulated triumph if things go to plan. Which they usually don't.

[Solid Snake]

Care to elaborate ?

(Not agreeing or disagreeing, just curious as to what exact instances you are referring to!)

[Desi]

Care to elaborate ?

(Not agreeing or disagreeing, just curious as to what exact instances you are referring to!)

this, i'm interested in what you're talking about despite not having a clue what you're talking about

[chacha kashmiri]

It's certainly weakened pakistan.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am just thinking about the Dennis Lillee betting scandal and England's greatest Ashes triumph. If only we had a CPS and ICC to investigate so thoroughly in those days.

[SAF]

So.. Are you tecnically saying that this spot fixing saga was all a consiperacy?

[the Great Khan]

i give up...,my sanity will never return..must get back to own universe not this parallel hellhole!!

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So.. Are you tecnically saying that this spot fixing saga was all a consiperacy?

No, I just think things fall into place for a reason. Because reason is the best tool we have at the end of the day.

[Equinox]

Yes NOTW is that desperate to bring the Cricket World Cup home.

[shaykh1985]

Lol surely the best side to target are actually the Aussies...they actually win things ;-)

And regardless of the intention behind what happened this doesnt detract from the fact that the players committed a crime...

And if this was a conspiracy against us why was Sydney cleared and why were Kami, Kaneria cleared etc...

This 'its everyone elses fault' is really getting old now...

[acewings]

Its not like pakistan were favorites to win the WC even if the trio hadnt been banned. in any case, we were outsiders. you cant really deny that; that would be delusional

[Khan88]

Eh, I don't buy this one bit. Besides, we have a better ODI team now than we ever did with each of the trio in the team at the same time.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Back to the topic; why were the one bouncer per over restrictions brought into force during the period of West Indies dominance of cricket?

[Equinox]

^To contain the great West Indian pace attack. What's your point? Are you saying ICC put the spot-fixing law in place to trap Pakistani pacers? If you're not then I don't really see how the two cases connect.

Why dont you stop beating around the bush and clearly state your claim. Would make life for the rest of us a hell of a lot easier.

[Dr Khan]

Instead of making sure that something like this does not happen in future, we are now denying the facts and falling for conspiracy theories.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Instead of making sure that something like this does not happen in future, we are now denying the facts and falling for conspiracy theories.

Which facts are being denied here? Please elaborate.

[acewings]

Which facts are being denied here? Please elaborate.

That it was treason on the part of the trio to sell out their country for a few quick bucks, and it was extreme mismanagement by perhaps the worst PCB administration in history that lead to such a dark day in Pakistan cricket.

[Paradox]

I'm absolutely clueless on what's going on here, but okay.

[farz88]

well his name is cpt. rishwat so ideally he would support the trio

[Paradox]

He's a real good poster though.

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

The team looks a much united bunch without the trio.

Still a couple of players i would like to get rid of though after the WC.

[Indiafan]

No, I just think things fall into place for a reason. Because reason is the best tool we have at the end of the day.

Yes all countires in the world are so threatened by a no 6 ranked team that they consipred to get such players banned without whom the Pak team is actually doing much better. Prior to the spot-fixing fiasco, Pakistan was even losing to New Zealnd and werent considered much of a threat. Now they seem to be a force

I dont want to be rude but the slur you are throwing at so many people and so many nations, basically calling all of them cheats and conspirators(though you dont have the guts to say this directly) without an iota of truth is making me to. You are also accusing the governing body of deliberately sabotaging the chances of one of its teams

[Blitz]

STOP WHINNING DAMMIT!!!

Stop acting like scapegoats. You reap what you sow.

Also....lets put things into prespective.

Asif in ODIs on dead pitches = 0-90
Butt on a cricket pitch = Out for a duck
Amir in subcontinent = Unproven

All three of those out - Less chance of us losing to Kenya....

I think Pakistan got a good deal!

[starchild]

Yes I like the way he posts. Beats around the bush but at the same time I don't find it irritating. I feel intrigued, in fact.

[KSaeed]

The team without the trio looks more like a unit and more a like a team. The team with the trio was just a disbanded bunch of indivisuals. With the fixers gone and a deep message sent to the players, everyones pulled up their socks and we are now playing like 1 team, not 11 individuals.

Be glad that they're gone for the long term positives. Upcoming players in the Pakistan will know the consequences of going down the fixers path. If we had done this in the 90's with Wasim Akram etc. I bet Amir, Asif and Butt wouldn't have dared tread that path.

We'll see another pace talent in 5-10 yrs but we'll never see another fixer in the team (I hope)

[yahyah86]

I don't think many of you got the point...he is trying to say that many factors are put in place so that certain teams have an advantage. the one that i can think of from the top of my head is Pakistan in an easier pool only to have to face harder teams in the next round, something to that effect. Kind of like when England initially won the ashes a few years back after a long time, Ponting was talking about how the bowlers would go in for a massage and shower after finishing their spell. Similarly the poster is saying that things have been put in place (i have not figured out exactly everything yet) to give certain teams an advantage. I wouldn't be surprised if the wickets prepared have no bounce so that indian batsmen don't get out. it already happened to them in the t20 wc twice and champions trophy

[yahyah86]

Yes all countires in the world are so threatened by a no 6 ranked team that they consipred to get such players banned without whom the Pak team is actually doing much better. Prior to the spot-fixing fiasco, Pakistan was even losing to New Zealnd and werent considered much of a threat. Now they seem to be a force

I dont want to be rude but the slur you are throwing at so many people and so many nations, basically calling all of them cheats and conspirators(though you dont have the guts to say this directly) without an iota of truth is making me to. You are also accusing the governing body of deliberately sabotaging the chances of one of its teams

If your kind of thinking is the example of an average Pak citizen(and I know it is not) there is not much hope for your country

your damn right they are threatened its the same team that was in the top 4 in the champions trophy, same team that won the t20 wc 2k9 and almost made the final in the 2k10 version. regardless of how great any team is Pakistan has the ability to beat them regardless of the talent at pakistans disposal and yes this includes India (champions trophy reminder) and i don't think any other country has a similar ability.

[Indiafan]

your damn right they are threatened its the same team that was in the top 4 in the champions trophy, same team that won the t20 wc 2k9 and almost made the final in the 2k10 version. regardless of how great any team is Pakistan has the ability to beat them regardless of the talent at pakistans disposal and yes this includes India (champions trophy reminder) and i don't think any other country has a similar ability.

But Australia has been no 1 consistantly and won past 3 WC, why no threat against them? South Africa has the stronegst team, why no conspiracy against them? India is looking strong at home and England is good too. Why no conspiract against them?

Why would ICC jeoparadise one of its most exciting team which causes so much interest in cricket and draws in huge crowds? When Amir would have been bowling to the likes of Sachin, it would have drawn more crowds and more revenue for both BCCI and ICC. BCCI and ICC care more about money and success of the tourament than anything. A Pak team devoid of stars will not be to anyone's advantage. I dont follow the logic

[Indiafan]

I don't think many of you got the point...he is trying to say that many factors are put in place so that certain teams have an advantage. the one that i can think of from the top of my head is Pakistan in an easier pool only to have to face harder teams in the next round, something to that effect. Kind of like when England initially won the ashes a few years back after a long time, Ponting was talking about how the bowlers would go in for a massage and shower after finishing their spell. Similarly the poster is saying that things have been put in place (i have not figured out exactly everything yet) to give certain teams an advantage. I wouldn't be surprised if the wickets prepared have no bounce so that indian batsmen don't get out. it already happened to them in the t20 wc twice and champions trophy

I should apologies to OP if thats the case but I feel he is talking about the spot-fixing punishments. There is nothing wrong with the home team having an advantage

[Masterji]

I agree with the original post, def a conspiracy to destroy a middle ranked "team"(i put team in quotation marks as we have a collection of individuals who play for themselves and can`t stand each other). I think this was a clumsy attempt by the NOTW to bring home a trophy that most people in the country don`t even know is being played or care for. I think this amazing insight about the conspiracy is wasted on this forum.

[amarmak]

I thank the conspiracy creators whole heartedly... today we have a better team

[MC]

How desperate can you get seriously?

All this sissy talking is getting so boring. Branding a nation as consiprator (ironic how you moan about people not using rosy language and lovey dovey attitude towards your country?) to sanctify a team with proud history of blatant rule breaking. Its easy to sit behind computer and trashtalk about a nation, I wonder if you have guts to say it on an Englishmen's face?

Yeah WC coming home by default, how about you quit watching Star plus dramas and watch bit of cricket to get a reality check? Oh no, I guess by your logic, England an evil ass country must be working very hard to get Australia, South Africa, India, Sri Lanka, New Zealand, West Indies all banned, so they can just a play tournament with Canada, Bangladesh, Kenya to claim the trophy. I wonder why they couldn't do that 20/30 years before?

[yahyah86]

But Australia has been no 1 consistantly and won past 3 WC, why no threat against them? South Africa has the stronegst team, why no conspiracy against them? India is looking strong at home and England is good too. Why no conspiract against them?

Why would ICC jeoparadise one of its most exciting team which causes so much interest in cricket and draws in huge crowds? When Amir would have been bowling to the likes of Sachin, it would have drawn more crowds and more revenue for both BCCI and ICC. BCCI and ICC care more about money and success of the tourament than anything. A Pak team devoid of stars will not be to anyone's advantage. I dont follow the logic

because pakistan is a soft target.

[Aditya Khanna]

because pakistan is a soft target.

Agreed, Pakistan is SOFT. :91:

But hardly a target.

[KSaeed]

because pakistan is a soft target.

eh? You're confusing world politics with cricket here.

[WhiteDudeFromTrinidad]

the extraordinary lengths taken by some countries and their media to weaken the opposition reminds me of the emergency ICC laws brought out to limit the effectiveness of the West Indies pace attack.

All it does at the end of the day is show their insecurity and sour their manipulated triumph if things go to plan. Which they usually don't.

which country are you suggesting is going to win the world cup by default?

i ask because this can be very useful information in certain circles :ibutt

[MC]

Whats next? Afridi never bit the ball, the kafir white Aussies videoshopped the footage? So Afridi could be banned, and Aussies can win couple of T20's as whitwashing the series wasn't enough...

[freelance_cricketer]

STOP WHINNING DAMMIT!!!

Stop acting like scapegoats. You reap what you sow.

Also....lets put things into prespective.

Asif in ODIs on dead pitches = 0-90
Butt on a cricket pitch = Out for a duck
Amir in subcontinent = Unproven

All three of those out - Less chance of us losing to Kenya....

I think Pakistan got a good deal!

you have the right way of thinking.
agree with all the posts you're making regarding the bans.
i just dont like your signature :D

[Desi_Joker]

Agreed, Pakistan is SOFT. :91:

But hardly a target.

Pakistan is the hunter, not the target.

You'll understand what I mean when we lift the cup. :afridi

[Wasim_Waqar]

Its not like pakistan were favorites to win the WC even if the trio hadnt been banned. in any case, we were outsiders. you cant really deny that; that would be delusional

Aamer would turn us from dark horses into big favourites I reckon.

Asif would be extremely effective in SL under lights

[Desi_Joker]

Aamer would turn us from dark horses into big favourites I reckon.

Asif would be extremely effective in SL under lights

Indeed... for Mazhar Majeed and the opposition.