How Long Before We Unleash a New Amir?

[Dr Khan]

Things might look depressing right now but I have faith in the talent we have in our country. Inshallah within the next 12 months we will unleash another Amir. Already we can see the likes of Wahab Riaz emerging as a fine all rounder. So please do not be feel down, its a matter of time before we unleash the next super star in world cricket.

[GOAT]

Within the next 2-3 years I'm sure another pace prospect will appear.

Wahab is good but he needs one or two more tricks up his sleeve before he's able to rip through top orders, also not as good with the new ball as Amir.

[Rana]

Next week.

According to veena malik, 'pakistan ki gali gali main aamer jaisa bowler mil jai ga'.

[Down2Earth]

i hope we never unleash another traitor.

[KingKhanWC]

We don't need a new Amir. We need a player who is fully committed to deliver every ball for his country.

All Pakistan need to do is pick people for their talent and plenty of bowlers equally as talented as Amir will come through.

[sajjad786]

after 5 years :P

[Theo_14]

A new Amir? I'd prefer how long till we unleash a new bowler with the potential to be world class.

There's MANY players out there in Pakistan who have immense talent in them and potential to be the next big thing for Pakistan cricket but afterall Pakistan are sadly owned by the PCB, a group of corrupted players.

I firmly believe that once Butt resigns/sacks or even retires and someone like Qadir replaces him than we will see many talentented players rising at international scenes and suprise many fans who doubted the crop of talented youngsters Pakistan have at domestic level.

[Rizie]

pretty long I guess finding a player who :

is a teenager
can swing the ball both ways
is very quick
could bowl in the death
didnt take pressure
had good cricketing mind

[hasanmehmoodkhan]

junaid khan, inshallah is the new amir

[Energy]

Do not want to be harsh on the up-coming talent but could easily be more than a decade before we can see anyone of Aamer's potential. You come across good players every season but you do not come across world-class players that often.

[Obeid]

junaid khan, inshallah is the new amir

lol...he may be good but I feel as if hes overrated here on PP.

[Khan88]

I really hope on the Windies tour after the WC, the PCB gives young bowlers like Junaid Khan a go. There's no point in guys like Tanvir Ahmed and Sohail Tanvir on these tours...they are not the future what so ever. :sohail

[Rana]

My friend has answer the question by saying tommorow because he is going pakistan.

[786warrior]

sohail tanvir is a deadbeat - great tour of NZ with the bat except he was there for the bowling which was utter tripe!!!

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do not want to be harsh on the up-coming talent but could easily be more than a decade before we can see anyone of Aamer's potential. You come across good players every season but you do not come across world-class players that often.

This is the most sensible post here but trying to convince the majority here is like pi**ing in the wind.

[Bouncer]

We already have another Amir in t a l h a

why did my reply got deleted?

[Awesome_Username]

I guess we could look at the past to give us an indication of the future. The last world class fast bowler we found i.e. one who could have lead our attack, before Amir (who came to fore in 2009) was Asif, and we discovered him in 2005. Before that, it was Shoaib Akhtar in 1998-1999.

There were some other good bowlers along the way, like Umar Gul in 2003-2004 (although he matured a few years later), but if we talk about the real world beaters, it seems like it takes about 4-6 years, based on a quick look over the last decade or so.

[KSaeed]

A great bowler will probably come in the next 2-5 yrs. A bowler like Amir is a lot more rarer- having that amount of talent and skill coupled with grit and a cricketing brain is very rare

[BoomBoomCricket]

Talha
Asad Ali
Junaid Khan
Sadaf Hussain
Anwar Ali

List is endless.....

[Atif]

We already have another Amir in t a l h a

why did my reply got deleted?

Because it just said t a l h a. :)

[Foozee]

soon.. but i wish Pakistan can produce another Saeed Anwar or Miandad or Inzi

[KSaeed]

Talha
Asad Ali
Junaid Khan
Sadaf Hussain
Anwar Ali

List is endless.....

They are good/ great bowlers. None of them, apart from possibly Junaid Khan, posses the ability that Amir did.

[James]

This is the most sensible post here but trying to convince the majority here is like pi**ing in the wind.

This. People don't realise just how talented Amir was. He had the potential to be not only the best bowler in the world (which he was on his way to doing already), but a handy all-rounder as well (IMO). He was 18 for crying out loud, and he was that good already. Anyone who thinks another world-class Pakistani teenager who can swing the ball both ways at 85mph is going to appear before the next World Cup is a complete numpty. James Anderson is a world-class test match bowler at 28, and it took him a good seven years to learn to control and move the ball at pace consistently, which gives you an idea of just how incredible a talent Amir was. For Amir to be performing the way he did at 18, with very limited first-class experience, was practically freakish.

Sorry, but Pakistan will not find another cricketer in the style of Amir who is as good as he was for a long, long time - possibly never - no matter what anyone says. Think about how long ago it was when Wasim Akram retired, and it took them this long to find someone who might have turned out as good as him. The wait for the next Amir could go on for a while yet!

[GOAT]

This. People don't realise just how talented Amir was. He had the potential to be not only the best bowler in the world (which he was on his way to doing already), but a handy all-rounder as well (IMO). He was 18 for crying out loud, and he was that good already. Sorry, but Pakistan will not find another cricketer in the style of Amir who is as good as he was for a long, long time - possibly never - no matter what anyone says.

I don't think most of us think we'll find a carbon copy of Amir, but knowing our history there will be someone that comes along and eases the pain a little. A bowler with even 90% of his capabilities will be sufficient.

What I think, personally, is that in a few years another youngster will announce himself in his own right. After Sarfraz and Imran we had Wasim and Waqar, after them came Akhtar. All these bowlers have a legacy thats their own - they didn't try to be the next "Wasim", they carved out their own legend.

In that sense I think we'll do just fine. Amir was an immense talent and probably had it in him to be regarded as one of the best bowlers of all time BUT I'm certain someone else will come along. They might not be as talented but they'll be bloody good.

[James]

A bowler with even 90% of his capabilities will be sufficient.

Good luck finding that guy!!

[GOAT]

Good luck finding that guy!!

The talent is always there, we just need an administration that works for the players rather than against them.

In any case though, I think most sensible fans take a positive from the fact that our current team is, at the very least, honest.

[sam]

Perhaps never. Amir was just extraordinary.

Don't think Amir himself after serving the ban is going to anywhere near as good.

[James]

Perhaps never. Amir was just extraordinary.

Don't think Amir himself after serving the ban is going to anywhere near as good.

You can pretty much forget about Amir ever making a comeback, and if he does, I doubt he can get over this (mentally). Time to look to the future (again), which is tragic because Amir truly was the future.

[saj001]

..For that i need to give up on studies .

He will be back.

[Eagle Eyes]

Wahab will improve and will take the leading role.

Another one? Not if we kept persisting with Sohail Tanvir.

[NO 1 AFRIDI FAN]

Whippy summed it up very nicely!


I think it will be very hard finding another young bowler with immense talent, like amir. But no doubt we do have some very good bowlers in the domestic circuit, hopefully once they debut they will prove to be key bowlers in the team. But dont get your hopes to high, Amir was an immensly talented young lad I doubt we'll find another bowler from his league any time soon.

[SAF]

Sep 2015.
Amir V2.0..the countdown begins.

[Khan88]

This is the only Junaid Khan clip I can find anywhere...

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Not Amir but still I really want to see him get a call up.

[Dr Khan]

Wahab will improve and will take the leading role.

Another one? Not if we kept persisting with Sohail Tanvir.

Agree Wahab looks special too. Already he has produced some match winning spells. Also decent with bat and in the field.

[NO 1 AFRIDI FAN]

This is the only Junaid Khan clip I can find anywhere...

Not Amir but still I really want to see him get a call up.

Wow, Ive never seen him bowl before (not a follower of domestic) BUT that was such amazing bowling.

REQUEST TO IJAZ AND CO: get him in the side for the windies tour.

[LegendsXI]

junaid khan, inshallah is the new amir

Agreed.

Also the Talha is waiting for his chance.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Agree Wahab looks special too. Already he has produced some match winning spells. Also decent with bat and in the field.

The fact that Wahab is being compared to Amir is a clue to how far from reality most people are when they talk about producing another Amir. Whippy is spot on, Wasim Akram is the only bowler who was as special as Amir. Others have been good but really great fast bowlers are rare in the whole of cricket never mind just in Pakistan.

[James]

Spot on from Rishwat again. I do rate Wahab Riaz - I like his line and his action. However, I don't really see how Wahab has had a much better run in the side since August than Ryan Sidebottom did for England in 2007-2008 - scratch that actually, because Siddy was a lot better than Riaz has been. And Mohammed Amir's achievements put him streets ahead of the pair of them.

[*sallu*]

Time to move on, no point in trying to contemplate how good or bad he would have turned out because frankly, we'll never find out now

[talha3]

Spot on from Rishwat again. I do rate Wahab Riaz - I like his line and his action. However, I don't really see how Wahab has had a much better run in the side since August than Ryan Sidebottom did for England in 2007-2008 - scratch that actually, because Siddy was a lot better than Riaz has been. And Mohammed Amir's achievements put him streets ahead of the pair of them.

All he needs to be almost as deadly as amir is an inswinger to the right handers imo.

[Opener]

I think Aamer will be easier to replace (will take a few years) than Asif. Pakistan has no history of producing a seamer such as Asif. I have not seen Sarfraz Nawaz but I doubt he was in the same mold as Asif. He could bowl on any wicket without having much pace.

[James]

Wahab Riaz is miles off Amir

[*sallu*]

All he needs to be almost as deadly as amir is an inswinger to the right handers imo.

LOL, its not that easy my friend.

Wahabs actions and wrist release makes it impossible for him to bring the ball back in

[talha3]

LOL, its not that easy my friend.

Wahabs actions and wrist release makes it impossible for him to bring the ball back in

Well many compare him to Johnson and we know johnson can do it. It's not impossible, definitely something to work on.

[*sallu*]

Johnson has a much straighter wrist (compared to Wahab) and his round arm is kind of like in the other direction a little bit compared to Wahab.

Wahab will not swing it in ever unless he changes his action drastically

[BoomBoomCricket]

They are good/ great bowlers. None of them, apart from possibly Junaid Khan, posses the ability that Amir did.

Disagree.

Mohammad Talha is very good enough too.

The others are developing and performing well.

Generally. It's never wise to underestimate the youth, depth and back up of Pakistan's youth cricket system which continues to lead the way and thrive, especially in the fast bowlers club!

I predict we will find our next 'Mohammad Aamir' by this time next year. I can call on that for sure if the poor selectors are creative and brave for a change, than there is very little reason why we cannot see another gem unleash. Sohail Khan is another one who has caught my eye. Really impressive pacer who is regularly stealing the headlines whenever I check the scorecards. He has genuine sharp pace, variation, stamina, accuracy and so forth.

[Dr Khan]

The fact that Wahab is being compared to Amir is a clue to how far from reality most people are when they talk about producing another Amir. Whippy is spot on, Wasim Akram is the only bowler who was as special as Amir. Others have been good but really great fast bowlers are rare in the whole of cricket never mind just in Pakistan.

The fact that no one has said that Wahab can replace Amir shows that you are taking this out of context. The point is that Wahab is a good prospect and can be a good all rounder in future. His attitude towards the game is pretty good too.

[James]

Well many compare him to Johnson and we know johnson can do it. It's not impossible, definitely something to work on.

Mitchell Johnson should be excluded from any debates about bowling. He is a complete and utter joke.

The Barmy Army made a song about him, and when they sing it, he bowls worse.

He bowled one good spell in the Ashes, and admitted later that when he came on, he didn't even mean to swing the ball into the right-handers - the English batsmen were undone by a freakish change in the morning wind, way before the Fremantle Doctor would normally start affecting the ball's movement through the air. He got 9 wickets at the cost of 9 each at Perth as a result of this ludicrous happening, and got something like 6 wickets at 78 for the rest of the series.

In other words, he has no idea where the ball is going.

Wahab Riaz is one of many bowlers that has the potential to surpass the ****e that is Mitchell Johnson, who is arguably a couple of bad years away from retiring with the yips. Bumble reckons he is already showing signs of them.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The fact that no one has said that Wahab can replace Amir shows that you are taking this out of context. The point is that Wahab is a good prospect and can be a good all rounder in future. His attitude towards the game is pretty good too.

The thread title says "when will we produce another Amir?"

Apologies if I mis read and it and thought that's what it actually meant.

[Sledger]

There won't be another Amir produced in our lifetime.

[Dr Khan]

I think Aamer will be easier to replace (will take a few years) than Asif. Pakistan has no history of producing a seamer such as Asif. I have not seen Sarfraz Nawaz but I doubt he was in the same mold as Asif. He could bowl on any wicket without having much pace.

Good point.

[Atif]

There won't be another Amir produced in our lifetime.

Agreed.

He was a rare talent who came from Pakistan and will be missed.

I'm still hoping to see him back in Pakistan colours.

[talha3]

Mitchell Johnson should be excluded from any debates about bowling. He is a complete and utter joke.

The Barmy Army made a song about him, and when they sing it, he bowls worse.

He bowled one good spell in the Ashes, and admitted later that when he came on, he didn't even mean to swing the ball into the right-handers - the English batsmen were undone by a freakish change in the morning wind, way before the Fremantle Doctor would normally start affecting the ball's movement through the air. He got 9 wickets at the cost of 9 each at Perth as a result of this ludicrous happening, and got something like 6 wickets at 78 for the rest of the series.

In other words, he has no idea where the ball is going.

Wahab Riaz is one of many bowlers that has the potential to surpass the ****e that is Mitchell Johnson, who is arguably a couple of bad years away from retiring with the yips. Bumble reckons he is already showing signs of them.

Your middle order (trott, kp, bell) all got out to him today and his figures were 3-18 off 7 yet you can call him a complete and utter joke? :)))

Also his odi average and economy are better against England than his overall average. Maybe the barmy army hasn't been singing hard enough in odis :)))

In tests I agree he's too inconsistent to be called good. Even pakistan have played him easily in this format. But in odi's he's a top bowler more often than not. The same goes for wahab riaz, I think he's more likely to be a world class odi bowler than a world class test bowler.

[James]

It was his home ground where he's played first-class cricket for some time. If he can't bowl a good spell there then there's no point in him bothering at all really.

[Aditya Khanna]

Mitchell Johnson should be excluded from any debates about bowling. He is a complete and utter joke.





Unrelated to the thread but this is a bit of joke. In many other threads I've read you type one eulogy after another on Anderson who sports a worse average and strike rate than Johnson. Johnson maybe erratic but when he's good, he's fearsome, something that Anderson won't EVER be.

[GOAT]

I think what we'll most about Amir was that he could switch his gears when needed and play each and any format. Not many bowlers going around that can do that, even Steyn is average in ODI's and T20's, while the reverse is true for the likes of Gul and co.

[James]

Also his odi average and economy are better against England than his overall average. Maybe the barmy army hasn't been singing hard enough in odis :)))

That's because nobody was there, which is in turn because nobody cared about the game. The England fanbase was dominant at Lord's, the Oval, Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney, and he was bloody hopeless in all of these games - particularly when they started singing the song. To be mercurial because of your physical make-up as a bowler is one thing, but to be a mental wreck is quite another. Test cricket is the gold standard - far more so than jamodis - and he's a bottler, he can't hack it.

[James]

Unrelated to the thread but this is a bit of joke. In many other threads I've read you type one eulogy after another on Anderson who sports a worse average and strike rate than Johnson. Johnson maybe erratic but when he's good, he's fearsome, something that Anderson won't EVER be.

Anderson has improved beyond recognition, he swings the ball consistently at 85mph on a probing line and length. Check his 2010 stats for proof enough of his quality. He just out-bowled MJ a million to one on MJ's home turf in the Ashes. MJ has a good game one in five these days (maybe?)

[talha3]

That's because nobody was there, which is in turn because nobody cared about the game. The England fanbase was dominant at Lord's, the Oval, Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney, and he was bloody hopeless in all of these games - particularly when they started singing the song. To be mercurial because of your physical make-up as a bowler is one thing, but to be a mental wreck is quite another. Test cricket is the gold standard - far more so than jamodis - and he's a bottler, he can't hack it.

Yes test cricket is the gold standard, but as i've said, in odis england have struggled against him. I'm not saying he's a top 10 bowler, but that you can't call him a joke.

[Markhor]

As good as you are,if you indulge in corruption then jog on.

[Aditya Khanna]

Anderson has improved beyond recognition, he swings the ball consistently at 85mph on a probing line and length. Check his 2010 stats for proof enough of his quality. He just out-bowled MJ a million to one on MJ's home turf in the Ashes. MJ has a good game one in five these days (maybe?)

So, one good year after years of mediocrity makes him better? Nevermind the quality of batting line-up Anderson was up against during the northern summer.

The point is, it's a bit hypocritical to point and giggle at Johnson when your so called best bowler has done considerably less than him over the entire career.

[James]

People always highlight when a bowler is having a bad period and say that he's lost it, so should we not judge on good current form as well? England, with a little help from the Lord's slope, took Johnno apart at Lords 18 months ago and he hasn't been the same since.

[KingKhanWC]

I think Aamer will be easier to replace (will take a few years) than Asif. Pakistan has no history of producing a seamer such as Asif. I have not seen Sarfraz Nawaz but I doubt he was in the same mold as Asif. He could bowl on any wicket without having much pace.

Spot on. Asif was a genius with the ball and those kind of bowlers are very very rare. Only him and Mgrath have ever emerged to that standard.

Amir was brilliant but his skills can be replaced. If Wahab can start bringing the ball back into the right hander like Amir did then Amir is alreadly replaced.

[TigerJat]

as many have pointed out here, Junaid Khan is a great prospect.

I was disappointed he did not get a chance in the NZL series. He has been bowling consistently well in the Pakistan A team.

There are some others, but the only real way to find out is to give new bowlers a chance at the international level.

Even though Tanvir Ahmed has bowled decently in the NZL tests, I would prefer to give youngsters a chance there.

[S_K]

I dont think we can find someone as talented as Amir anytime soon. Its just really sad but at the same time he deserves this 5 year ban bcuz he sold his country's name for a few bucks.

[zarak]

They are good/ great bowlers. None of them, apart from possibly Junaid Khan, posses the ability that Amir did.

junaid khan can only angle the bowl away..to be aamir you need to swing it back

[Asif khan]

Ther next superstar for Pakistan will be when they decide to play Junaid Khan!!

[BoomBoomCricket]

Asif was completely unique by Pakistani standards. He was not the genuine out and out quick Pakistani bowler you will find. He was so limited in talent and was barely quick, but was a great thinker, the level of cunningness in maintaining an immaculate line and length in the corridor of uncertainty & his ability to identify weaknesses in batsmen made him stand out. Your comment is definitely true and it would be totally unreasonable to underestimate the greatness of producing outstanding match winning bowlers through the youth and domestic system time and time again, but that is more applicable to someone like Mohammad Aamir who was a genuine quick bowler with so much talent, not necessarily to Asif who was of a completely unique nature. Definitely the chances of finding another Aamir are high and can easily be done, but not even one name comes to mind when your referring to a bowler with the same old classical bowling style like Asif. Hence, Asif was the bigger loss. Bowlers like him are really hard and rare to find in Pakistan.

Although he deserved the ban, Asif's loss will be the biggest for sure. Bowlers like him you find once in a generation. Classical operator and real trump card, but he has to pay the penalty and we have to move on even if that means suffering for the sake of unquestionable integrity.

[msmkt]

If we can product 1 Amir.. We can make 10..more but i hope they will not do what this guy did..shame shame

[kkmix]

This. People don't realise just how talented Amir was. He had the potential to be not only the best bowler in the world (which he was on his way to doing already), but a handy all-rounder as well (IMO). He was 18 for crying out loud, and he was that good already. Anyone who thinks another world-class Pakistani teenager who can swing the ball both ways at 85mph is going to appear before the next World Cup is a complete numpty. James Anderson is a world-class test match bowler at 28, and it took him a good seven years to learn to control and move the ball at pace consistently, which gives you an idea of just how incredible a talent Amir was. For Amir to be performing the way he did at 18, with very limited first-class experience, was practically freakish.


well then you are in for a shock. Get ready. You don't know Pakistan cricket yet.

Asif was a unique talent for Pakistan cricket because Pakistan has never produced such bowler, my dad tells me Sarfraz Nawaz used to be like that but he was back in 70s, 40 years back. So Asif is a once in a 40 year bowler and Amir is a once in 10 year bowler. But I think another very bright talent will come out of Pakistan in 2011.

[James]

A very bright talent may well come out of Pakistan in 2011. Junaid Khan looks to have a particularly good first-class record, and I'm looking forward to seeing him. But Amir was a freakish talent rather than a bright one.

[talha3]

A very bright talent may well come out of Pakistan in 2011. Junaid Khan looks to have a particularly good first-class record, and I'm looking forward to seeing him. But Amir was a freakish talent rather than a bright one.

Agree with you fully there.

[kkmix]

Mind you, Amir wasn't as good in the first 5 to 7 months of his career, he only became a really good bowler when he started swinging the ball in to the right handers, which was in England. He really became a world class bowler in England.

[alberto]

emmad ali deserves a chance as he has impressed many in the recent one day competition!we need pakpassion to do a street competition in pakistan and we need them to help script a fairytale like they did for mohammed irfan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[S_K]

lol i love your sig msmkt

[cricket_fever]

pretty long I guess finding a player who :

is a teenager
can swing the ball both ways
is very quick
could bowl in the death
didnt take pressure
had good cricketing mind

you forgot to add "can spot fix" to ur list rizie

[Dr Khan]

Akram came from no where, Amir came from no where and the next sensation will come from nowhere too. This is Pakistan cricket, full of fairy tales.

[Awesome_Username]

A very bright talent may well come out of Pakistan in 2011. Junaid Khan looks to have a particularly good first-class record, and I'm looking forward to seeing him. But Amir was a freakish talent rather than a bright one.

Yep. The most stunning thing about him was how quickly he used to learn stuff.

[Desi]

5 years when his ban is over

[KSaeed]

All we can say is this- without a shadow of a doubt Pakistan is a an absolute treasure chest of fast bowlers. We have the best pool of pace talent in the whole world. We will see another Amir, mark my words, and in some ways I am glad that Amir is banned because any upcoming talents will know the consequences of trudging the path of corruption. Do not worry about Amir's loss- we will see another like him in a few years. Be glad that when we do, that hot-shot talent won't dare go down the path that Amir did.

[pakistani pride]

NEVER ! ! !
Amir is an amazing talent no 1 can replace him.

what a bowling line up it could have been

Amir
Wahab
Asif
Ajmal

World class ! !!

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The video of Junaid Khan in this thread - I don't know how old it is but he looks like he can swing the ball. He looks nowhere near as quick as Amir though from the clip shown.

[Khan88]

The clip of Junaid is from 2008.

[KSaeed]

The clip of Junaid is from 2008.

So he must have improved since then- we'll see him properly in the tour to the West Indies I hope

[waqar_ahmad]

Some very funny posts in here.

Aamer is being underestimated. People saying next 2 to 3 years til we see another one like him. What are you guys smoking?

Aamer was the best, that's right, THE BEST fast bowling talent to have ever played the game. At 17, so mature, a wicket taker, quick learner. Look at his seam position, his swing, reverse, the way he out thought the batsman. All of that at 17!!!

Look at his pace. He was bowling at high pace at this early age. How much pace would he have gained by the time he was in his mid 20s? A LOT MORE!!!!

Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Styen, Akhtar, no one, was as good in the early part of their careers, as Aamer was at 17.

Anyone who tells me that we will see another Aamer in the next 3 years doesnt know cricket.

I would be very surprised, if the world, let alone pakistan, produces another aamer in the next decade.

[KSaeed]

Some very funny posts in here.

Aamer is being underestimated. People saying next 2 to 3 years til we see another one like him. What are you guys smoking?

Aamer was the best, that's right, THE BEST fast bowling talent to have ever played the game. At 17, so mature, a wicket taker, quick learner. Look at his seam position, his swing, reverse, the way he out thought the batsman. All of that at 17!!!

Look at his pace. He was bowling at high pace at this early age. How much pace would he have gained by the time he was in his mid 20s? A LOT MORE!!!!

Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Styen, Akhtar, no one, was as good in the early part of their careers, as Aamer was at 17.

Anyone who tells me that we will see another Aamer in the next 3 years doesnt know cricket.

I would be very surprised, if the world, let alone pakistan, produces another aamer in the next decade.

You are underestimating Pakistan's talent pool. There will be another- in about 5-6 yrs.

Look at the current trend: '99 Akhtar; '05 Asif; '09 Amir. And with cricket growing in Pakistan further, we will see another- the question is will he have the same amount of raw talent that Amir possesed?

[riasat]

^^ No doubt about his talent. And he is an amazing bowler to the extent that he is probably the best pace bowler in modern times. However i will never believe that he is less than 20 atleast....

[waqar_ahmad]

You are underestimating Pakistan's talent pool. There will be another- in about 5-6 yrs.

Look at the current trend: '99 Akhtar; '05 Asif; '09 Amir. And with cricket growing in Pakistan further, we will see another- the question is will he have the same amount of raw talent that Amir possesed?

We are talking about an 18 year old here. Name one bowler, in the world, who bowled as well as Aamer when he was 18.

DO you remember that test in england where he just blew away the english top order (but then broad scored a ton). I cant forget that look on one of the english batter's face, when he was caught behind. He just had a smile, as if to say it was just too good.

Aamer was challenging the best at 18. Name any other bowler who did that, at the start of his career?

And raw talent is what I am talking about. I cant remember watching any bowler with the amount of raw talent that amir had. I at least, do not expect to see another aamer in a verry long time to be honest

[waqar_ahmad]

^^ No doubt about his talent. And he is an amazing bowler to the extent that he is probably the best pace bowler in modern times. However i will never believe that he is less than 20 atleast....

Eve at 20, he was amazing. Heck, forget his age for a minute. He jsut started. And he was already our strike weapon, and was amazingly mature and skilled.

But I am not arguing with you or anything. You said it yourself, that he is the best pace bowler in modern times

[Khan88]

I don't think Pakistan cricket as a whole needs another Amir per se to be a top team in the world. Look at our bowling crop right now, let's be honest it's average, especially in Test matches. Pakistan is known to produce quality bowlers, even if they are not at Amir's talent level.

We probably need a thread... How long before we unleash a new Saeed Anwar/Inzamam/MoYo? There is a dire absence of a world class batsmen in our squad, really ever since the 07 WC bar some good performaces by MoYo/YK.

Point is, even with an average bowling attack right now we can compete in the World Cup...just imagine when the youngsters emerge and it's actually a good side.

[alberto]

i think our niggest middle hope is usman salahuddin

[attock]

To be honest at this moment in time i feel demoralised when looking at the pakistani bowling department. We have always been known for our bowlers but I feel we are pretty down on good bowlers. After the world cup Shoaib will most likely retire which will mean Gul is our best bowler and he averages 30+ in test..... At this moment in time I dont really rate any one after Gul and Akhtar. Wahab Riaz decent bowler but not as good as what Pakistan are known for producing, does not really swing the balll much but gives it his all in a game...Tanvir Ahmed I dont rate him...We sure need help now. In the 90s and late 80s we produce so much good bowling talent Wasim,Waqar, Shahid Nazir, Muhammed Zahid, Aqib Javed, Akhtar, Mushy, Saqi etc and all these players were or had the ability of being stars. Mohammed Amir was no mug that people are saying we will produce one in the next year, he is a rare talent......I just dont see any one at the moment who is an automatic selection in the Pakistan team after the World Cup besides Gul. Wahab is good but not like Amir or Asif and both Tanvirs I think dont deserve a chance. I might be harsh on Tanvir Ahmed but I dont see him suceeding against the top teams....Dont get me wrong I think Wahab Riaz is a good bowler but not in the same calibre of Akram, Amir, Asif, Akhtar, Shabbir Gul etc

[Inzy's Aloo]

Forget about the next Amir, the next Amir is probably Amir himself. In five years time he could come back on the scene with the same potential.
The real question is How long before we unleash a new Asif :asif
(if ever)?

[osee_bhai]

People I realize Amir was amazing, there is no doubt about that. But you have to realize for his first few series in international cricket his test average was around 40 too, he couldn't swing it back into the right handers, and waqar helped him with that and getting closer to the stumps and all that. He just went absolutely crazy in England last summer.
All I'm saying is don't expect the next new young fast bowler to be anything like him, they also need to be groomed like normal cricketers (even Amir had to).

On a different note, any clips of Sadaf Hussain bowling? 15odd average with 90 odd wickets, he must have something. What about mohammad rameez (21 first class ave 150 wickets)? Asad Ali (all formats impressive stats)? People have already mentioned talha, anwar ali, and probably the most impressive junaid khan.

[muhammad saad]

Muhammad Aamer type bowler? Possibly in next 2 decades , Asif , Akhtar and Waqar type bowler , possibly in next 4/5 years.

[imshally81]

i am agree that the carbon copy of amir will never produce....
but hopefully we will get some new & young talent soon... who can replace him easily :D

[Muhammad Waleed]

I am The New Aamir :P

I can bowl Johan Botha style, mendis harbajan style spin xD

[Black Zero]

12 months....and you will get real aamir back.

[*sallu*]

12 months....and you will get real aamir back.

Just like Shoaib malik was captain for the world cup?

[ads101]

I am The New Aamir :P

I can bowl Johan Botha style, mendis harbajan style spin xD
If you can bowl it like Botha, yet somehow get the same turn and spin like Mendis and Harbajan, you'd better get over to South Africa and quickly give some much needed, valuable tips to Johan Botha before the world cup :D

[Black Zero]

Just like Shoaib malik was captain for the world cup?

He will be there as an expert...

[Muhammad Waleed]

If you can bowl it like Botha, yet somehow get the same turn and spin like Mendis and Harbajan, you'd better get over to South Africa and quickly give some much needed, valuable tips to Johan Botha before the world cup :D

I used to turn the hard ball but it's been over an year since I touched a hard ball