Shahid Afridi - I've lost respect for him

[grunge]

but it afridi's team isnt it. come on agree with me.

you give these awful payers (some of) t wasim or waqar they would never win. you give anwar, 1999 bowling attack, inzamam younis and yousuf to afridi, then watch how we lead the world.

hair. It is team pakistan. and we respect every single player.

but then its team afridi because he is the one who is sacrificing its everything(the reputation) for the sake of Pakistan. :yk

http://rookery9.aviary.com.s3.amazonaws.com/6733500/6733714_24bf_625x625.jpg

None of that makes any sense..it ''isnt'' Afridi's team...Afridi is simply a member and appointed Captain..

he doesnt in anyway enjoy the status the likes of Imran/Wasim had...its stupid to even compare them.

''he is the only sacrificing its everything''???..what does that even mean man?

He's doing what Wasim/Waqar could never have done?...any cricket follower with an IQ of 50 will tell u afridi will never ever be half as good a captain as Wasim was..never ever..simply doesnt have the brains..u cant develop an IQ!..if Youre born dumb,u remain dumb.

[W63L35]

did not he admit himself that he played a stupid shot

What else was he supposed to say? Do you see any other reason/argument coming from him?


then what is the point to defend like so crazy.. i love his bowling i like his batting when he does like he did in Semi and final in t20 worldcup.. but defending him for his stupid things then i am different list...

I don't think anybody is defending him for the shot he played........ at least I am not. I am only questioning people's unfair and unrealistic expectations ....who want him to bat like Dravid when he can't!

Semi-Final and Final T20 batting was once in a life time thing for him... just like his 37 ball 100. I don't think, he'll be able to repeat either.

[miandadrules]

please dont express you Psychological Reality of Grammars where you praise Ignorance as a Language

Thank you.

Is it ok if I submit this as proof?

[Free Hit]

None of that makes any sense..it ''isnt'' Afridi's team...Afridi is simply a member and appointed Captain..

he doesnt in anyway enjoy the status the likes of Imran/Wasim had...its stupid to even compare them.

''he is the only sacrificing its everything''???..what does that even mean man?

He's doing what Wasim/Waqar could never have done?...any cricket follower with an IQ of 50 will tell u afridi will never ever be half as good a captain as Wasim was..never ever..simply doesnt have the brains..u cant develop an IQ!..if Youre born dumb,u remain dumb.

I dont want to derail such threads. already been enough trouble. i'l control my self.

afridi is in every household now. afridi is winning matches for pakistan. thats all what matters to me, not what you think

[ace4rmspace]

Know it all.

Classic!

[No_Username]

None of that makes any sense..it ''isnt'' Afridi's team...Afridi is simply a member and appointed Captain..

he doesnt in anyway enjoy the status the likes of Imran/Wasim had...its stupid to even compare them.

''he is the only sacrificing its everything''???..what does that even mean man?

He's doing what Wasim/Waqar could never have done?...any cricket follower with an IQ of 50 will tell u afridi will never ever be half as good a captain as Wasim was..never ever..simply doesnt have the brains..u cant develop an IQ!..if Youre born dumb,u remain dumb.

Okay, Accorindig to you 53.84% is the half of 61.46%. If you say so.

[miandadrules]

Okay, Accorindig to you 53.84% is the half of 61.46%. If you say so.

Does that mean Shoaib Malik is a better captain than Afridi?

[No_Username]

Does that mean Shoaib Malik is a better captain than Afridi?

And 10 of them were against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.If you take out those games then both have them have an pretty similar record. Whereas Afridi has only played 4 games against minnows :

Kenya
Zimbabwe
Canada
Bangladesh

Afridi has played against more challenging teams.


Whereas Miandad, the less said the better. :P

[Afridi_Fan]

Does that mean Shoaib Malik is a better captain than Afridi?

He was. :malik

I don't hate like you. I admire where there is talent.

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

bro, can we stop, this debate now, and save our energies to support our team in q.f , s.f and final!

adridi asked sorry to his fans then there is not point to keep discussing that event now anymore.. i am sure he will play acording to situation in next matches!

[No_Username]

He was. :malik

I don't hate like you. I admire where there is talent.

Who made you the President of Lala LAND!?

:P

[ace4rmspace]

Razzaq has captained Pakistan? Jee Oye Fauji!

[GOAT]

miandadrules is a top poster.

[miandadrules]

And 10 of them were against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Whereas Afridi has only played 4 games against minnows :

Kenya
Zimbabwe
Canada
Bangladesh

Afridi has played against more challenging teams.


Whereas Miandad, the less said the better. :P

So we bring in matches it against minnows now?

So why not extrapolate further when comparing captaincy records? Like, away series wins, major tournament wins, strength of relevant opposition?

If mere stats where justification to judge one's ability then why bring in the opposition?

[No_Username]

bro, can we stop, this debate now, and save our energies to support our team in q.f , s.f and final!

adridi asked sorry to his fans then there is not point to keep discussing that event now anymore.. i am sure he will play acording to situation in next matches!

The longer he moans , the longer this debate goes on :)

[AZ]

Razzaq has captained Pakistan? Jee Oye Fauji!

against WI at home in 2006.

we lost.

:razzaq

[Afridi_Fan]

Who made you the President of Lala LAND!?

:P

I think you will never make a good politician. I have my ways around some posters who seem to think that they know everything. :zardari

[W63L35]

Okay, Accorindig to you 53.84% is the half of 61.46%. If you say so.

When Wasim Akram was captain, he had himself, Waqar Younis, Shoaib Akhtar at his peak, Saeed Anwar, Inzimam and Yousaf at their peak....and above all a keeper who never dropped a catch!

How does Afridi has?

[No_Username]

So we bring in matches it against minnows now?

So why not extrapolate further when comparing captaincy records? Like, away series wins, major tournament wins, strength of relevant opposition?

If mere stats where justification to judge one's ability then why bring in the opposition?

All of Afridi's matches as captain were away.

[Afridi_Fan]

The longer he moans , the longer this debate goes on :)

We agree. Actually I am just waking up.

[miandadrules]

And 10 of them were against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.If you take out those games then both have them have an pretty similar record. Whereas Afridi has only played 4 games against minnows :

Kenya
Zimbabwe
Canada
Bangladesh

Afridi has played against more challenging teams.


Whereas Miandad, the less said the better. :P

Is that some futile attempt to goad me?

I could care less about Miandad's captaincy. He was a great tactician but ultimately too afraid to lose and too willing to deflect criticisms of his own failings on to others. I admired him as a player when I was younger but he is not above criticism.

[miandadrules]

All of Afridi's matches as captain were away.

So which series did he win away from home, other than in New Zealand?

If a series win in New Zealand is on par with a World Cup win in Australia, World Cup final in England, a series win against the all-conquering Australia, C&B series win in Australia, Asian cup wins etc... then i can see your justification.

[Afridi_Fan]

There is one very slight problem. :wasim captained in 109 games.

:afridi captained in 27 games.

That doesn't count I guess.

Yeah, R I G H T.

[Free Hit]

LET IT GO LADS. no point debating with boo'ts. they never change their opinions.

[Free Hit]

meet us in 2014 by then afridi should have captained same number of matches too.

[d0gers]

I am only questioning people's unfair and unrealistic expectations I don't think it's unfair or unrealistic at all to expect your captain to bat responsibly, IF he is going to promote himself up the order in a situation that demands responsible batting. And it's not like he can't do it. I don't agree with these cop-out arguments about "Afridi being Afridi, it's the only way he knows." It is not and it's sickening to hear this line being repeated ad nauseum. You don't get to have 5 Test 100s and a batting average of 36 without knowing how to stay at the wicket.

[miandadrules]

bro, can we stop, this debate now, and save our energies to support our team in q.f , s.f and final!

adridi asked sorry to his fans then there is not point to keep discussing that event now anymore.. i am sure he will play acording to situation in next matches!

Brother, please refer to my post number 239.

I am totally behind the team and Afridi as captain.

My point is that Afridi is not above criticism and has to be held accountable.

I mean where do we stop? Shall we let Zardari off because he can't help being a crook?

[Free Hit]

I don't think it's unfair or unrealistic at all to expect your captain to bat responsibly, IF he is going to promote himself up the order in a situation that demands responsible batting. And it's not like he can't do it. I don't agree with these cop-out arguments about "Afridi being Afridi, it's the only way he knows." It is not and it's sickening to hear this line being repeated ad nauseum. You don't get to have 5 Test 100s and a batting average of 36 without knowing how to stay at the wicket.

he does know how to stay at wicket but he cares for the people., and our beloved country

do you even have any knowledge as to how much economy he generates just in Pakistan by just getting the game done and dusted quickly (his game) so people can go back to their work?

[Afridi_Fan]

Oh come on, who said Afridi is beyond criticism? But then you were just reading ignorant part, and after that if you want to bash Afridi, well I can stay all night long. Thanks God for the Insomnia. :akhtar

[miandadrules]

There is one very slight problem. :wasim captained in 109 games.

:afridi captained in 27 games.

That doesn't count I guess.

Yeah, R I G H T.

Exactly so why compare them? The poster that brought up the stats was showing there wasn't much difference. However, Afridi's sample size is too small to derive any significant conclusion.

All I ask is not to portray him as somebody he is not.

[jasimisbest2]

'But he is a bowler first!'
'I was expecting this from him!'
'Afridi is untouchable so don't know what you are talking about!'
'Look at his beastly SR !'

All cheap excuses, if he is going to play like this and we continue to accept it then he should come at no.11.

He should play his natural game but not desperate shots which are not on.

NO they are not cheap excuses!!!

AFRIDI is known for his hitting and short temperament....

He is knows as a Bowler and his SR is unbelivable....

His bowling is winning us matches, so his batting can be excused...

InSHALLAH if we reach the SEMIS his batting will click and watch the destruction he unleashes INSHALLAH

[Free Hit]

Brother, please refer to my post number 239.

I am totally behind the team and Afridi as captain.

My point is that Afridi is not above criticism and has to be held accountable.

I mean where do we stop? Shall we let Zardari off because he can't help being a crook?

afridi is held accountable, accountable in sports means, or in cricket team means. not good enough.get dropped,.....

afridi is regular since 2005 in pakistan team because he is consistent in one role or another

[miandadrules]

Oh come on, who said Afridi is beyond criticism? But then you were just reading ignorant part, and after that if you want to bash Afridi, well I can stay all night long. Thanks God for the Insomnia. :akhtar

Afridi will be happy.

[Afridi_Fan]

Afridi will be happy.

He won't give a damn. And just like a headless chicken you just want to read what you want to read. Ignoring the criticism part. I kinda like you, in a sadistic sort way.

[Free Hit]

Af you are warmed up now so stop man before you reach your heights. no point arguing with such a nonsense poster

[miandadrules]

He won't give a damn. And just like a headless chicken you just want to read what you want to read. Ignoring the criticism part. I kinda like you, in a sadistic sort way.

Sorry your not my type but thanks for the interest. :afridi

[grunge]

So which series did he win away from home, other than in New Zealand?

If a series win in New Zealand is on par with a World Cup win in Australia, World Cup final in England, a series win against the all-conquering Australia, C&B series win in Australia, Asian cup wins etc... then i can see your justification.

what he said...

i cant believe someone has the audacity to compare ''pea brain'' Afridi's captaincy skills with Wasim Akram's.

going by the table posted above,i guess Misbah should have been the captain this WC since the no of matches doesnt appeal to you as an important criteria...he has a win % of 100!.

[No_Username]

Exactly so why compare them? The poster that brought up the stats was showing there wasn't much difference. However, Afridi's sample size is too small to derive any significant conclusion.

All I ask is not to portray him as somebody he is not.

What? I just showed him is mathematical skills, I didn't say Afridi is better than Wasim.

[Afridi_Fan]

Sorry your not my type but thanks for the interest. :afridi

See, again headless chicken move. I'm straight unless you wear a skirt or a nice dress I ain't like you in that interest sort of way Mr Psychologist. Oh wait or is it a Ms Psychologist. :raza

[grunge]

meet us in 2014 by then afridi should have captained same number of matches too.

Lord have mercy on our team!

[Free Hit]

I love it how the extreme haters pick a little misunderstood post, point or statement by afridi's fans and make a big issue.

i guess vandalising effect of our brutality

[Free Hit]

Lord have mercy on our team!

ameen

[No_Username]

what he said...

i cant believe someone has the audacity to compare ''pea brain'' Afridi's captaincy skills with Wasim Akram's.

going by the table posted above,i guess Misbah should have been the captain this WC since the no of matches doesnt appeal to you as an important criteria...he has a win % of 100!.

As for the first part of your post, I just showed you how good you are at maths.

And the bottom part
You wins, We lose, forgive us....:bow:

[grunge]

he does know how to stay at wicket but he cares for the people., and our beloved country

do you even have any knowledge as to how much economy he generates just in pakistan by just getting the game done and dusted quickly (his game) so people can go back to their work?

gem! :))) :)))

[miandadrules]

See, again headless chicken move. I'm straight unless you wear a skirt or a nice dress I ain't like you in that interest sort of way Mr Psychologist. Oh wait or is it a Ms Psychologist. :raza

Now that is just too easy.

[pakishahg]

Good topic.

I still have immense respect for him but personally i think he should be less selfish as a player.

He manages well although sometimes can be very annoying when he constantly comes to the bowler. Sometimes the bowler has to play his own game and bee trusted to handle the game.

He will get better, hopefully.

[Free Hit]

Now that is just too easy.

you really are not what i think you are! :davis

[grunge]

As for the first part of your post, I just showed you how good you are at maths.

And the bottom part
You wins, We lose, forgive us....:bow:

I meant ''not half as good'' considering everything of relevance...u just like to post stats without any details to which teams they faced,how man matches they captained or which cups they brought home..

u simply compared win percentages..ill go by your book.Misbah at 100% blows Afridi away

[Free Hit]

Good topic.

I still have immense respect for him but personally i think he should be less selfish as a player.

He manages well although sometimes can be very annoying when he constantly comes to the bowler. Sometimes the bowler has to play his own game and bee trusted to handle the game.

He will get better, hopefully.

seriously afridi tried to be better captain and hence not big up the bowler so often bu guess what on this exact site posters start saying 'afridi has given up lifting trophy, he dont care, he doesnt look happy' :facepalm:

ab yaha marauder kiya karey?

[Afridi_Fan]

Now that is just too easy.

This is tempting. But I know where this is leading me. So, unless you wanna talk about cricket, I'm backing off. :))

[Free Hit]

I meant ''not half as good'' considering everything of relevance...u just like to post stats without any details to which teams they faced,how man matches they captained or which cups they brought home..

u simply compared win percentages..ill go by your book.Misbah at 100% blows Afridi away

afridi brought the famous channai win hone, famous indian seriies in 2005 home, famous t20 world cup, countless series's home. :akhtar

[Fireworks11]

Afridi has the license now to do what he wants.

[Free Hit]

^ now thats the statement i was waiting for :yahoo

[miandadrules]

afridi brought the famous channai win hone, famous indian seriies in 2005 home, famous t20 world cup, countless series's home. :akhtar

So no credit should go to the captain's?

If that is so, then Afridi should not get any credit now?

Your just digging yourself in to a hole.

[Afridi_Fan]

So no credit should go to the captain's?

If that is so, then Afridi should not get any credit now?

Your just digging yourself in to a hole.

Not deeper than a hole in which you are.

Credit to captains?

Hail the captain who stopped Australian Juggernaut and won a game in the WC after 34 consecutive games. :bow:

[W63L35]

I don't think it's unfair or unrealistic at all to expect your captain to bat responsibly, IF he is going to promote himself up the order in a situation that demands responsible batting.

If your captain knows how to bat like Dravid, Inzi and Yousuf... even they have played stupid shots in their careers.

IF he is going to promote himself up the order in a situation that demands responsible batting. And it's not like he can't do it.

Yes.. I agree, Razzaq should bat ahead of Afridi.... but having said that... I can't tell if you were old enough (no pun intended) to remember when Wasim Akram was captain...but if you remember, Wasim was a also an all-rounder who had a double 100 in test matches ... and a brilliant test 100 in Australia.... but never fulfilled his batting promise. Here is where he batted in ODIs when he was a captain....
http://i52.tinypic.com/1zppqmq.jpg
Did anybody complain....
1) why he batted so high?
2) did he complain why he does not score enough runs?
3) He used to play a lot fo stupid shots, did anybody whinge?

Here is another example.... Harbhajan Singh... was in batting form of his life a few months ago. Topped batting averages and most runs in a test series vs NZ ... given he is a part of best batting line up. Now he is not scoring at all... how many Indian fans you know who are whinging about him not scoring?

My only problem is ...that we (the Pakistani) fans have such a double standards and unrealistic expectation.. that it is beyond imagination.



I don't agree with these cop-out arguments about "Afridi being Afridi, it's the only way he knows." It is not and it's sickening to hear this line being repeated ad nauseum. You don't get to have 5 Test 100s and a batting average of 36 without knowing how to stay at the wicket.

Harbhajan has an average of 45+ in last 7 tests with 2 test 100s. Next few series, he does not score... are you going to expect Indians to start whinging like us... or do you even expect him to score at an average at 45?

[pakbabu]

i never had respect for this idiot gud for nothing always hungry for publicity

[Free Hit]

So no credit should go to the captain's?

If that is so, then Afridi should not get any credit now?

Your just digging yourself in to a hole.

its amazing how you can read our mind.

when did i say no credit goes to captain?

and, and credit should be tripled if the feats are won with medicore players compare to the great wasim, imran had. dont you think :waqar

[pakishahg]

Some very anti- afridi people here. Koi toh support karoh yaaaroh

[Free Hit]

i never had respect for this idiot gud for nothing always hungry for publicity

oh well, you had to digest the painful last 15 years. and many more to come :take that

[No_Username]

I meant ''not half as good'' considering everything of relevance...u just like to post stats without any details to which teams they faced,how man matches they captained or which cups they brought home..

u simply compared win percentages..ill go by your book.Misbah at 100% blows Afridi away

If I am going to do this then it is only going to back up what I am saying. And off ALL those captains Afridi has the biggest disadvantage. All of his matches as captain have been at away.


And by giving the Misbah example you are just making yourself look stupid.

[No_Username]

i never had respect for this idiot gud for nothing always hungry for publicity

Why support the Pakistan team if you can't manage to support the captain?

[miandadrules]

Not deeper than a hole in which you are.

Credit to captains?

Hail the captain who stopped Australian Juggernaut and won a game in the WC after 34 consecutive games. :bow:

But you mentioned all those win's that Afridi has achieved when we are discussing his captaincy, when he wasn't captain. And now we give him credit when he is captain?

If credit for victories under other captains should be attributed to Afridi, why should wins under his captaincy also attributed to him?

I am just trying to understand your logic, please elaborate.

[Free Hit]

Afridi can be blamed for known as boom boom rather than a class leg spinner better than kumble so that 3 years after he retires everyone forgets him, dont talk about him.

[Afridi_Fan]

i never had respect for this idiot gud for nothing always hungry for publicity

The only thing missing was an Indian. The party is complee now.

[Free Hit]

But you mentioned all those win's that Afridi has achieved when we are discussing his captaincy, when he wasn't captain. And now we give him credit when he is captain?

If credit for victories under other captains should be attributed to Afridi, why should wins under his captaincy also attributed to him?

I am just trying to understand your logic, please elaborate.

but when the heck did i not give credit to captain you.....

[W63L35]

Why support the Pakistan team if you can't manage to support the captain?

Nothing wrong with that.

I do support Pakistan team but absolutely do not support Kamran's selection.

[pakishahg]

Why support the Pakistan team if you can't manage to support the captain?

Well said!

I think it's sad to see people moaning to this level. He's managed to win us games and get us to the QF for the first time in 12 years!

[Afridi_Fan]

But you mentioned all those win's that Afridi has achieved when we are discussing his captaincy, when he wasn't captain. And now we give him credit when he is captain?

If credit for victories under other captains should be attributed to Afridi, why should wins under his captaincy also attributed to him?

I am just trying to understand your logic, please elaborate.

Logic? Whats that? Please elaborate.

[No_Username]

But you mentioned all those win's that Afridi has achieved when we are discussing his captaincy, when he wasn't captain. And now we give him credit when he is captain?

If credit for victories under other captains should be attributed to Afridi, why should wins under his captaincy also attributed to him?

I am just trying to understand your logic, please elaborate.

Imran Khan won Pakistan the world cup under his captaincy , but that doesn't take away his good performance in other matches.

I don't get your logic, please elaborate.

[W63L35]

The only thing missing was an Indian. The party is complee now.
:)))

I thought, I was the only but who could smell an Indian from 50 miles.... :P but I guess, that's why you are Mr. President! :)

[grunge]

If I am going to this then it is only going to back up what I am saying. And off ALL those captains Afridi has the biggest disadvantage. All of his matches as captain have been at away.


And by giving the Misbah example you are just making yourself look stupid.
no im only ''exposing'' your stupidity and reiterating my stance that online forums should have screening tests for members based on IQ so that people like u get filtered out.it was u that brought out the %age win thing.not me..and stop with the ''away games'' thing..this is cricket,not soccer.

Afridi will never ever be half as good as Wasim was.period....only an imbecile can attempt to even compare the two

..

[miandadrules]

its amazing how you can read our mind.

when did i say no credit goes to captain?

and, and credit should be tripled if the feats are won with medicore players compare to the great wasim, imran had. dont you think :waqar

Provided he beat the opposition they beat.

Like it or not there isn't an all-conquering Australian or West Indian side around.

Read my post at 239.

I am fully behind Afridi but this Hyperbole is unacceptable.

[Free Hit]

I still think after we win world cup, a thread bashing afridi will have more viewing than praising the legendary thread now now timepass

[grunge]

afridi brought the famous channai win hone, famous indian seriies in 2005 home, famous t20 world cup, countless series's home. :akhtar

WTH?...Afridi didnt even captain those games!

[Free Hit]

Provided he beat the opposition they beat.

Like it or not there isn't an all-conquering Australian or West Indian side around.

Read my post at 239.

I am fully behind Afridi but this Hyperbole is unacceptable.

you really are behind afridi? ok end of topic. we have another converter :afridi

[Free Hit]

WTH?...Afridi didnt even captain those games!

didi i say he did :omg

[No_Username]

Nothing wrong with that.

I do support Pakistan team but absolutely do not support Kamran's selection.

There are always something that people are not happy with, but calling the captain an Idiot and not happy with the selection of Kamran Akmal is different.

There is a little bit of difference :)

[W63L35]

There are always something that people are not happy with, but calling the captain an Idiot and not happy with the selection of Kamran Akmal is different.

There is a little bit of difference :)

Big .. huge... difference.... :)

[No_Username]

no im only ''exposing'' your stupidity and reiterating my stance that online forums should have screening tests for members based on IQ so that people like u get filtered out.it was u that brought out the %age win thing.not me..and stop with the ''away games'' thing..this is cricket,not soccer.

Afridi will never ever be half as good as Wasim was.period....only an imbecile can attempt to even compare the two

..

I repeat my self, I only showed you your mathematical skills.

[Free Hit]

There are always something that people are not happy with, but calling the captain an Idiot and not happy with the selection of Kamran Akmal is different.

There is a little bit of difference :)

there's huge difference, we support kamran and pray for him to do good every time he's on field, why he is playing for pakistan we should blame selectors for that.

[Afridi_Fan]

you really are behind afridi? Ok end of topic. We have another converter :afridi

potw

:)))

[miandadrules]

Imran Khan won Pakistan the world cup under his captaincy , but that doesn't take away his good performance in other matches.

I don't get your logic, please elaborate.

Read the posts sequentially and you may gain insight.

We are discussing Afrid's captaincy and the poster brought up matches Afridi had won as a player. What relevance does that have with regards to his captaincy?

If you use that train of thought, then the captain should never get any credit.

[Free Hit]

Read the posts sequentially and you may gain insight.

We are discussing Afrid's captaincy and the poster brought up matches Afridi had won as a player. What relevance does that have with regards to his captaincy?

If you use that train of thought, then the captain should never get any credit.

kya karai'n bhai. the sample is so small that afridi hasnt really had enough chances to conquer all the present planets in this universe. so i had to interrupt other invasion by marauder to get some sense in your digested guts

[No_Username]

:)))This thread is full of confusion :)))

[miandadrules]

you really are behind afridi? ok end of topic. we have another converter :afridi

I guess you boys only have one thing in mind. But steady on lads this is a family friendly forum.

But as I said earlier we shouldn't be too "hard" on Afridites, as the blood rushes away from their brain when they see or hear Afridi.

[No_Username]

Big .. huge... difference.... :)

there's huge difference, we support kamran and pray for him to do good every time he's on field, why he is playing for pakistan we should blame selectors for that.

I was only being diplomatic :P

But W63L35 , why did you say that there is nothing wrong if you think there is a huge difference. :))

[miandadrules]

kya karai'n bhai. the sample is so small that afridi hasnt really had enough chances to conquer all the present planets in this universe. so i had to interrupt other invasion by marauder to get some sense in your digested guts

As a muslim I believe their is only one conqueror and ruler of the planets and Universe.

Afridites I guess think differently.

[Free Hit]

I guess you boys only have one thing in mind. But steady on lads this is a family friendly forum.

But as I said earlier we shouldn't be too "hard" on Afridites, as the blood rushes away from their brain when they see or hear Afridi.

once again when i wrote that comment, i meant by being behind as to you supporting afridi, because you used same word 'you are behind afridi'.

but hey once again you fail to work out the difference your self.

chuhay ko pakarna ho tau us ki bhook ko shikaar banao :yk

[No_Username]

I guess you boys only have one thing in mind. But steady on lads this is a family friendly forum.

But as I said earlier we shouldn't be too "hard" on Afridites, as the blood rushes away from their brain when they see or hear Afridi.

Yes and your blood rushes from your brain when someone says something good about Afridi.

[Free Hit]

As a muslim I believe their is only one conqueror and ruler of the planets and Universe.

Afridites I guess think differently.

lo, fer pai gayya ee siyapa :facepalm:

[d0gers]

If your captain knows how to bat like Dravid, Inzi and Yousuf... even they have played stupid shots in their careers.

Yes.. I agree, Razzaq should bat ahead of Afridi.... but having said that... I can't tell if you were old enough (no pun intended) to remember when Wasim Akram was captain...but if you remember, Wasim was a also an all-rounder who had a double 100 in test matches ... and a brilliant test 100 in Australia.... but never fulfilled his batting promise. Here is where he batted in ODIs when he was a captain....

Did anybody complain....
1) why he batted so high?
2) did he complain why he does not score enough runs?
3) He used to play a lot fo stupid shots, did anybody whinge?

Here is another example.... Harbhajan Singh... was in batting form of his life a few months ago. Topped batting averages and most runs in a test series vs NZ ... given he is a part of best batting line up. Now he is not scoring at all... how many Indian fans you know who are whinging about him not scoring?

My only problem is ...that we (the Pakistani) fans have such a double standards and unrealistic expectation.. that it is beyond imagination.




Harbhajan has an average of 45+ in last 7 tests with 2 test 100s. Next few series, he does not score... are you going to expect Indians to start whinging like us... or do you even expect him to score at an average at 45?I can't see the stats you've posted.

In any case, Wasim Akram with a career batting average of 22 and Harbhajan Singh with a career batting average of 18 are both poor examples. Neither of them have anywhere near the level of talent with the bat that Afridi does.

Again, arguments that Afridi is no Dravid or Inzi are cop-out arguments in my book. If you're a captain and you're going to come in to bat in tricky situations, there will be a certain level of expectations placed on you, regardless of if you're Sachin or Chris Martin. If you want to claim that you cannot bat, then just simply leave the batting to other people who can. I don't think there is anything unrealistic about this. Do you?

Also times when Wasim did promote himself up the order and failed (like his 4 off 19 balls against England at Sharjah while Azhar Mahmood waited in the dressing room), he WAS criticized.

[No_Username]

As a muslim I believe their is only one conqueror and ruler of the planets and Universe.

Afridites I guess think differently.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0903/epic-face-palm-face-palm-demotivational-poster-1236742013.jpg

[No_Username]

btw, what is the topic that we are arguing at?

[W63L35]

But W63L35 , why did you say that there is nothing wrong if you think there is a huge difference. :))

Did you read my post carefully ... or just felt like adding :))) to your question?

Here is what the original post was;
Why support the Pakistan team if you can't manage to support the captain?

Nothing wrong with that.

I do support Pakistan team but absolutely do not support Kamran's selection.

Notice word "support" under-lined 4 times?


Now, here is the huge difference;

There are always something that people are not happy with, but calling the captain an Idiot and not happy with the selection of Kamran Akmal is different.

There is a little bit of difference

Calling names like 2nd/3rd grade kids is different (huge difference) than not supporting a selection!

Biggest critics of Afridi on this forum (Anwaar) does not call names yet does not support Afridi's selection.

(I can't believe, I am praising Anwaar!) :20: :69: :65: :69:

[Free Hit]

Did you read my post carefully ... or just felt like adding :))) to your question?

Here is what the original post was;




Notice word "support" under-lined 4 times?


Now, here is the huge difference;



Calling names like 2nd/3rd grade kids is different (huge difference) than not supporting a selection!

Biggest critics of Afridi on this forum (Anwaar) does not call names yet does not support Afridi's selection.

(I can't believe, I am praising Anwaar!) :20: :69: :65: :69:

didyou just praise anwar. aaj tau us ki eid hogi phir :afridi

[Fireworks11]

This thread will become an epic fail if Afridi fires with the bat on Wed.

[Free Hit]

it is already a fail. afridi is not a robot, who does everything. even though he tries his best to click with bowl, bat and in field, captain, off the field, jelling team together, keeping bookies away, boasting the morales of players, being nice to fans.....countless efforts

[Fireworks11]

Insaan kabhi nahi kush hota :afridi

[Fireworks11]

^

Eng tour. He galvanised the troops amid the temptations.

[Kray_jackson7]

:))) :))) This thread goes to show PPers are never happy

[cricmylife]

Quite sure he'd do it again in a heartbeat :afridi

and I hope I am there to 'watch' it? :)

[Kray_jackson7]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=122876

[miandadrules]

^

Eng tour. He galvanised the troops amid the temptations.

What temptations were these?

[Fireworks11]

What temptations were these?

Controlling their emotions. NOTW spot fixing reporters. Wahab v Trott fight.

[shahrukh619]

Okay, Accorindig to you 53.84% is the half of 61.46%. If you say so.

:eek: Shoaib Malik was our best captain.

[GabKhan]

Shoaib Malik was a known trouble maker, and a suspected match fixer.

Incredible that, Shoaib Malik, Kaneria, and Mohammed Yousuf, all of them have had careers cut short for being typical trouble making Pakistanis. I wish they'd just play cricket and leave the rest.

[Fireworks11]

When was Malik accused of Match Fixing?

[cricketfan2010]

We need 36 to win off 18 overs and he does that.

His job is to win cricket matches for Pakistan.

You are in minority to have respect for him in first place.. lol. :butt

[cricketfan2010]

lol he said to Ramiz "Don't ask Ramiz bhai, don't ask" Lol

Like this was a once in a blue moon occurance.. LOL.. Who is taking bets.. He will exactly the same in next match..

[*sallu*]

it is already a fail. afridi is not a robot, who does everything. even though he tries his best to click with bowl, bat and in field, captain, off the field, jelling team together, keeping bookies away, boasting the morales of players, being nice to fans.....countless efforts

Since this thread is about his batting, I and many other here feel that the main problem is in fact that Afridi does not try his best with the bat

Do you think he is not capable of better?
You've seen the difference in result when he bats with his head down and when he bats his usual way. Surely this is proof that Afridi does not try his best often enough because his other more rarely used strategy, more often than not, works wonders for him
Remember the t20 semi final and final?
Remember the 100 in the Asia cup?
Remember as recently as the last ODI in New Zealand?

No one is asking for him to score 100 after 100, I don't even care if he fails, but the least he can do is try not to throw his wicket away regularly (it happens once in a while to everyone)

W63L35's examples were very poor when he compared Afridi to Younis and Misbah's wickets
(i) they contribute relatively more frequently with the bat
(ii) even if they don't, they don't throw their wickets away as often.

As I said, its okay once in a while, no single human brain is perfect and is always susceptible to doing something out of the norm, but the question is whether you can learn to curb it to an extent and try and not repeat these mistakes often.

Afridi can use his "I am not a batsman" excuse as much as he wants and he can go around cracking jokes about his batting in presentations and press conferences, but the fact remains, and he knows it too from the inside as well, that he has much more ability than his 22 average suggests and he in fact is playing in the team as an all rounder who is expected to do a job at 7/8, and if all he did was try and bat with some restrain and not have his brainfarts as often, then he'd be averaging in the mid 30s and would've won us a lot more games with the bat

[Kray_jackson7]

:eek: Shoaib Malik was our best captain.

Well once you remove the majority of the games Whcih were played against minnows...

[IM NOT YOU]

by the time afridi is done playing cricket he will have 20 different threads with 1000 or more posts.


legend.

[Black Zero]

am surprised that you once respected him.
your fault.

[No_Username]

am surprised that you once respected him.
your fault.

Yep, thats the way to treat your captain.:zoni


Moaners will be moaners!!!

[Black Zero]

Well once you remove the majority of the games Whcih were played against minnows...

well afridi got 2 moms against minnow...
last centuries against minnow.
he got the highest %age of mom against minnows...

forget Afridi, Imran got 35+ wins against minnows ...

Anyway, in anycase Afridi is at the bottom

[No_Username]

well afridi got 2 moms against minnow...
last centuries against minnow.
he got the highest %age of mom against minnows...

forget Afridi, Imran got 35+ wins against minnows ...

Anyway, in anycase Afridi is at the bottom

Thats just a pathetic excuse , there is a difference in beating Kenya and AUSTRALIA!

[Free Hit]

well afridi got 2 moms against minnow...
last centuries against minnow.
he got the highest %age of mom against minnows...

forget Afridi, Imran got 35+ wins against minnows ...

Anyway, in anycase Afridi is at the bottom

but afridi is still in the team to burn your blood day by day and has been since 1996.

agar support karna ho tau aisa karo.

I really wanted shoaib malik to be in world cup squad and still be in our odi and t20 teams. its just shoaib malik(aadhi raat ka dajka) has no fan power. you are just few of them.

[Black Zero]

Thats just a pathetic excuse , there is a difference in beating Kenya and AUSTRALIA!

well thats just a pathetic comprehension capabilities.

[Kray_jackson7]

well afridi got 2 moms against minnow...
last centuries against minnow.
he got the highest %age of mom against minnows...

forget Afridi, Imran got 35+ wins against minnows ...

Anyway, in anycase Afridi is at the bottom

Performances Vs minnows are required to win matches, but captaincy is easy Vs minnows. Afridi has captained Pakistan VS the best teams :))

[Black Zero]

but afridi is still in the team to burn your blood day by day and has been since 1996.

agar support karna ho tau aisa karo.

I really wanted shoaib malik to be in world cup squad and still be in our odi and t20 teams. its just afridi has no fan power. you are just few of them.


well ... veena is also on tv to burn my blood...

fyi, Afidi is being "latared" by every sensible person and I don't mind it:)

[Free Hit]

^oh well you are one of them minority sensible posters living in this era. its time to move on mate

[Black Zero]

Performances Vs minnows are required to win matches, but captaincy is easy Vs minnows. Afridi has captained Pakistan VS the best teams :))

and w/l ratio is ?

[Rizwan25]

Since this thread is about his batting, I and many other here feel that the main problem is in fact that Afridi does not try his best with the bat

Do you think he is not capable of better?
You've seen the difference in result when he bats with his head down and when he bats his usual way. Surely this is proof that Afridi does not try his best often enough because his other more rarely used strategy, more often than not, works wonders for him
Remember the t20 semi final and final?
Remember the 100 in the Asia cup?
Remember as recently as the last ODI in New Zealand?

No one is asking for him to score 100 after 100, I don't even care if he fails, but the least he can do is try not to throw his wicket away regularly (it happens once in a while to everyone)

W63L35's examples were very poor when he compared Afridi to Younis and Misbah's wickets
(i) they contribute relatively more frequently with the bat
(ii) even if they don't, they don't throw their wickets away as often.

As I said, its okay once in a while, no single human brain is perfect and is always susceptible to doing something out of the norm, but the question is whether you can learn to curb it to an extent and try and not repeat these mistakes often.

Afridi can use his "I am not a batsman" excuse as much as he wants and he can go around cracking jokes about his batting in presentations and press conferences, but the fact remains, and he knows it too from the inside as well, that he has much more ability than his 22 average suggests and he in fact is playing in the team as an all rounder who is expected to do a job at 7/8, and if all he did was try and bat with some restrain and not have his brainfarts as often, then he'd be averaging in the mid 30s and would've won us a lot more games with the bat

POTW :moyo

[Kray_jackson7]

When we win this world cup InshAllah we will see how many people from this thread will still agree with their posts

[Black Zero]

When we win this world cup InshAllah we will see how many people from this thread will still agree with their posts


Even if he wins Olympic medal, he would still remain the worst (or second worst :moyo) pakistani captain ever.

[Free Hit]

Even if he wins Olympic medal, he would still remain the worst (or second worst :moyo) pakistani captain ever.

what if he captains pakistan for next 4-5 years. win most of its matches, when leave hand a unbeatable side to the next captain?

am sure you still have same views about him.

haters gonna hate :moyo

[James]

The really great bit is when people say it's okay because he's a bowler only. He was never ever ever ever known as a bowler only until he started taking wickets more regularly and stopped contributing with the bat. Later in 2011, he will probably take less wickets and get a fifty with the bat, or something, and the exact same people will go back to calling him an all-rounder once more.

Countless British Pakistanis on this website alone have created accounts based around Afridi's batting, because they love it. That wouldn't happen for the benefit of a player who was a bowler. A bowler doesn't score a top-order century against Sri Lanka in ODI cricket, or take a test match away from a top-quality England side by scoring 90 runs in a session and a half. The only bowler that scored 90 against us in that period was Shane Warne, and it took him two days and loads of missed chances. Face it. Afridi can bat, is an all-rounder, but does not make the effort with the bat often enough.

I've never seen a player have so many excuses made for his under-par performances.

This is not to take anything away from his brilliant bowling, because he has undoubtedly been the bowler of the tournament along with your man Gul. But pretending he isn't a batsman after the career he's had is pathetic, I'm sorry but it has to be said.

[Free Hit]

The really great bit is when people say it's okay because he's a bowler only. He was never ever ever ever known as a bowler only until he started taking wickets more regularly and stopped contributing with the bat. Later in 2011, he will probably take less wickets and get a fifty with the bat, or something, and the exact same people will go back to calling him an all-rounder once more.

Countless British Pakistanis on this website alone have created accounts based around Afridi's batting, because they love it. That wouldn't happen for the benefit of a player who was a bowler. A bowler doesn't score a top-order century against Sri Lanka in ODI cricket, or take a test match away from a top-quality England side by scoring 90 runs in a session and a half. The only bowler that scored 90 against us in that period was Shane Warne, and it took him two days and loads of missed chances. Face it. Afridi can bat, is an all-rounder, but does not make the effort with the bat often enough.

I've never seen a player have so many excuses made for his under-par performances.

This is not to take anything away from his brilliant bowling, because he has undoubtedly been the bowler of the tournament along with your man Gul. But pretending he isn't a batsman after the career he's had is pathetic, I'm sorry but it has to be said.

He was, is and will remain/known as a batsman, his introduction is his batting, his conclusion is batting everything else in afridi's article are his other skills.

he can still hit that brutal century, but when its due no one knows, this the thing which separates him from other alrounders, and create a rift between afridi's admirers and sensible cricket talkers.

After all afridi will be known for what he is, i think him not making use of his full potential in such a way that he has done has given him a legendary statue which only few are rewarded of. :afridi

[Fireworks11]

Afridi has been living off reputation with the bat over the years. He holds the record for the most sixes in ODIs.

[Fireworks11]

Any man that smokes a 100 of 45 balls against India will have that as a benchmark. There is a tremendous expectation every time he strides to the wicket.

[AZ]

Any man that smokes a 100 of 45 balls against India will have that as a benchmark. There is a tremendous expectation every time he strides to the wicket.

plenty of orthodox batsmen have made quickfire 100s :viv

doesn't mean you bat like a clown each time you go out there to replicate it.

[Misbah-ul-Paddle]

How did this thread get to 5 pages? the subject alone is a joke..you lot respect for Afridi as he got out? no you lost confidence in his batting..not respect...and is this the first time you`ve seen Afridi bat? Come off it....we know what Afridi is like as a "batsman". Just be grateful when he does connect...for the other moments just pretend the back of his t shirt says "Tailender"

[Free Hit]

plenty of orthodox batsmen have made quickfire 100s :viv

doesn't mean you bat like a clown each time you go out there to replicate it.

how many sixes have they hit, their strike rates, number of matches, crowds reaction when came out to bat?

if they all match afridi in such fields then blame afridi if not then :)^>,

[Fireworks11]

plenty of orthodox batsmen have made quickfire 100s :viv

doesn't mean you bat like a clown each time you go out there to replicate it.

Afridi is different. He cannot control himself. He knows it. The team know. He is 'allowed' to have this freedom. A 37 ball century is no joke. Look at his overall career strike rate. He is renowned for his hitting.

The other batsmen also hit quickfire ones, but they can't match Afridi's strike rate over a prolonged period of time.

[AZ]

how many sixes have they hit, their strike rates, number of matches, crowds reaction when came out to bat?

if they all match afridi in such fields then blame afridi if not then :)^>,

none of the things you've listed there have any importance when compared to making sure your team wins by playing properly.

everybody remembers and celebrates a winner.

[AZ]

Afridi is different. He cannot control himself. He knows it. The team know. He is 'allowed' to have this freedom. A 37 ball century is no joke. Look at his overall career strike rate. He is renowned for his hitting.

The other batsmen also hit quickfire ones, but they can't match Afridi's strike rate over a prolonged period of time.

have answered in my reply to FH.

[Free Hit]

none of the things you've listed there have any importance when compared to making sure your team wins by playing properly.

everybody remembers and celebrates a winner.

i still remember chennai massacre and so do 2009 world cup, i remember the famous indian tour in 2005 and many other. it was same afridi, its just people mourn on an on when he fails where as when he does good some still mourn. which is why this thread is here.

tum bhool jatay ho meri ghalti nahi.

[Fireworks11]

I agree. Normally, what you mentioned is completely correct. Afridi is not normal though.

[Fireworks11]

This thread will go on forever, swaying between when Afridi fails with the bat and when he goes mental with the bat.

You cannot please everyone.

[AZ]

^ you're wrong there FH, was not the same Afridi in Chennai, or the later instances.

when he has something to prove, then he plays to his potential.

when he doesn't, he just throws it away and then admits to being irresponsible.

that is why it is hard to respect him.

[Free Hit]

I guess he has some thing left to prove further in this world cup. we shall see, bangladeshi land will be walloped by this marauder

[AZ]

for Pakistan's sake, I most certainly hope so.

[Afridi_Fan]

well afridi got 2 moms against minnow...
last centuries against minnow.
he got the highest %age of mom against minnows...

forget Afridi, Imran got 35+ wins against minnows ...

Anyway, in anycase Afridi is at the bottom

Now I understand your username, thanks for making it easy for me.

[W63L35]

Since this thread is about his batting, I and many other here feel that the main problem is in fact that Afridi does not try his best with the bat

Do you think he is not capable of better?
You've seen the difference in result when he bats with his head down and when he bats his usual way. Surely this is proof that Afridi does not try his best often enough because his other more rarely used strategy, more often than not, works wonders for him

He is he is capable of better but he does that on purpose! :29:

You would 10 year old to suggest if you are saying that he does that ON PURPOSE.... or he is ADDICTED to the embarrassment these type shot bring him?

If he was capable of batting as YOU expect him to bat, he would batting to your wishes... but he is not.



Remember the t20 semi final and final?
Remember the 100 in the Asia cup?
Remember as recently as the last ODI in New Zealand?

Remember his 37 ball 100?
Remember his 45 ball 100?

Why he has not repeated those perofrmance? Because those were ONCE IN A LIFE TIME performances..... similarly for him, T20 Final, SF, 100 in Cup are once in a life time performances. You can not and should not expect him to bat in every innings the way he batted in T20 SF and Final.


No one is asking for him to score 100 after 100, I don't even care if he fails, but the least he can do is try not to throw his wicket away regularly (it happens once in a while to everyone)


Apparently it is too much for you to understand that if he could, he would.


W63L35's examples were very poor when he compared Afridi to Younis and Misbah's wickets
No... I did not compare Afridi with Yk/MH. I compared our expectation in batting and scoring runs from YK/MH vs Afridi.
In 2010 YK scored 215 runs in 10 ODIs @ ave of 21.50 with S/R of 58.42. Did we bash YK for doing his primary job as much as we are bashing Afridi when batting is not even his primary job?

(i) they contribute relatively more frequently with the bat
See YK's ODI stats in 2010 above. He freuently failed ... yet everybody wanted him in WC squad... and was even selected. Agains it comes to our unfair expectations...!

(ii) even if they don't, they don't throw their wickets away as often.
I don't know when you started watching cricket but YK has thrown hiswicket more often than you think.

But different perception.....you call it "throwing your wicket".... I call it "failing to score" ...... YK failed miserably in 2010 and yet nobody raised an eyebrow.

See comments in blue.



As I said, its okay once in a while, no single human brain is perfect and is always susceptible to doing something out of the norm, but the question is whether you can learn to curb it to an extent and try and not repeat these mistakes often.

How much were you hurt or upset when YK kept failing (not able to score ... just like Afridi) in 2010?


Afridi can use his "I am not a batsman" excuse as much as he wants and he can go around cracking jokes about his batting in presentations and press conferences, but the fact remains, and he knows it too from the inside (you know that too?) as well, that he has much more ability than his 22 average suggests and


he in fact is playing in the team as an all rounder who is expected to do a job at 7/8, and if all he did was try and bat with some restrain and not have his brainfarts as often, then he'd be averaging in the mid 30s and would've won us a lot more games with the bat

Misbah has failed in last two innings. How many threads you created bashing him? We are such experts on what these players should be and should not be doing that ..... we don't care if #1-6 batsmen keep failing but throw a fit when a #8 lower middle order batsman fails.

Remember.... failing is failing... either you get caught at boundary or unable to play a fast from Lee and nick to keeper... or try to run the ball to 3rd man when a slip is in place..... FAILING is FAILING... and for some very odd and strange reasons, we get up set at one player failing but not others.

[Kray_jackson7]

People sayin he doesnt try his best really need to have their head tested! How the hell can you say that? it is his STYLE of play, Its not that he intentionally gets out it IS the way he has played his whole life! About 2/3rd of his runs have come in boundaries YES he didnt NEED to but he played normally, next match he might do the same and end up on 80 (27) or something. Thats why he is the most entertaining cricketer in the world. Because no matter how long he is at the crease people will have their eyes glued to the screen.

[*sallu*]

No, he has not played like that his whole life, thats the whole problem here.

In glimpses he has shown he can curb his natural instincts - which is the hard thing to do, but as I said, he has shown he can do it and its the least we can expect from a professional cricketer, so yes, I do believe he does not try his hardest often enough while batting

[*sallu*]

w63l35, since you posted a long response, I will reply tomorrow

[Kray_jackson7]

No, he has not played like that his whole life, thats the whole problem here.

In glimpses he has shown he can curb his natural instincts - which is the hard thing to do, but as I said, he has shown he can do it and its the least we can expect from a professional cricketer, so yes, I do believe he does not try his hardest often enough while batting

Ok for 99% of his life!

He has never been a batter, he was a kid with the gift to hit out. They tried forcing him into a batter and as a result his bowling dropped and his place in the side was always unknown. But now the bowler in him is awake, he has been focusing on bowling for along time now and it is showing.

[W63L35]

Idiot, brainless, irresponsible bowler has had 3 brainfarts (Sarwan, Pollard, Thomas) so far!

[Kray_jackson7]

:))) he should be dropped

[*sallu*]

Idiot, brainless, irresponsible bowler has had 3 brainfarts (Sarwan, Pollard, Thomas) so far!

Really out of context post

No one in their right mind doubts Afridi the bowler but the thread was discussing his batting

[W63L35]

Really out of context post

No one in their right mind doubts Afridi the bowler but the thread was discussing his batting

Ok, then I'll create a thread about Younis's bowling then .....start calling him pathetic bowler.... Oh wait, he can't bowl!

[*sallu*]

But Afridi can bat, he doesn't try hard enough often enough

[Afridi_Fan]

I have lost respect for Afridi, why he can't get hatricks is beyond me.

[PakFan2010]

I am glad this comment has added a lot to the discussion!

The point to people like YOU (pretending to be naieve) that Afridi (being the best bowler) is expect to do his secondary job (i.e. scoring runs)...... when your can't stop praising YK who has done worse than a lot of minnow batsmen....

Here look again....
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3619441&postcount=40


A little difficult concept but, I am sure you'll eventually get it!


Younis Khan cares about his wicket and normally a good ball gets him out.

Afridi gives it away and this is what frustates us.

[sohailmm]

What a haircut ,,,one more reason for losing out the respect

[W63L35]

Younis Khan cares about his wicket and normally a good ball gets him out.

Afridi gives it away and this is what frustates us.

You are NOT the onyl one... putting Younis (the bastman) and Afridi (the batsman) in the SAME catagory!
See the problem?????

Afridi fully justifies his place in the team just as a bowler, even if he fails with the bat...... YK fails with the bat, how and why should he be in the team?

Plus .. at the end of the day... it is failing to score.... if Afridi FAILS to score, or Younis FAILS to score.... it is SAME theng... is it not?

[PakFan2010]

You are NOT the onyl one... putting Younis (the bastman) and Afridi (the batsman) in the SAME catagory!

See the problem?????


Plus .. at the end of the day... it is failing to score.... if Afridi FAILS to score, or Younis FAILS to score.... it is SAME theng... is it not?


No, getting out to a good ball is completely different.

Hitting the ball straight down a fielders neck is stupid and brainless. We needed 36 from 18 overs in that game vs Australia.

No other player in International Cricket would of played that shot.

Maybe Kieron Pollard on an off-day

[W63L35]

No, getting out to a good ball is completely different.

Hitting the ball straight down a fielders neck is stupid and brainless. We needed 36 from 18 overs in that game vs Australia.

Inability to play a good ball and getting out.....
Inability to play a defensive stroke and getting out .....

Exactly the same thing......

As far as being "stupid and brainless" is concerned, if can think.... think a little hard that if he truely was "stupid and brainless", he would not be leading the Pakistan side to semi-final (I hope).... he would not have been appointed captain in the first place. I am sure, you are not stupid and brainless to understand this...!

[Free Hit]

:)))

I knew Lala will burn many people's blood today and he did. Amazing genius.anyone still think he should be dropped?

Afridi the Motto :afridi

http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/130300/130390.jpg

[hamzamunir]

http://www.picturexone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/shahid_afridi_winning_smile.jpg

WINNING - Charlie Sheen

[AZ]

lets not ruin the discussion with petty name-calling, guys.

khushi ka mauqa hai, no need to get all hot and bothered.

[Afridi_Fan]

I've lost respect for "idiot" Afridi for his "idiotic" celebrations : Mr Bata from Commentary Box.

[kkmix]

Why is he not dropped yet.

[AZ]

because Kamran Akmal isn't strong enough to catch him.

[W63L35]

because Kamran Akmal isn't strong enough to catch him.

:)))

.... best K-Akmal keeping comment!

[IM NOT YOU]

4 wickets isnt enough


DROP AFRIDI i say.

[Theo_14]

I consider myself as a bowler first - Afridi

Although I'm not a fan of his batting, even though I enjoy watching his style of play once he gets going BUT just don't like the fact how he goes for the silly shots at the wrong time but I guess that's Afridi for you, however...

PP'ers who are calling for him to be dropped is just a complete joke - I'm not being funny but right now, is clearly the most in form spinner on sub continent pitches, and the World cup 2011 stats speak for itself, a top class spinner.. A superb fielder... A brilliant captain and on his day he is a unstoppable batsman, no doubt about that.

[W63L35]

fyi, Afidi is being "latared" by every sensible person and I don't mind it:)

Greetings Anwaar Bhai......

I guess, the world has lost quite a few "sensible" persons today.... hope you are not one of them! :P

[Mobashir]

We need 36 to win off 18 overs and he does that.

His job is to win cricket matches for Pakistan.

This brainless slogger leading us is a tragedy and an insult to Imran AH Kardar and Wasim.

Yes a tragedy, in fact today I join your club guys, i also lost respect for Afridi.
Not a good leader because we are in the semis, and he surely is not a match winner!
Should be dropped and hang in Lahore!

[hayat]

anyone hoping for afridi to fire with the bat's just wasting their hopes, he's doing wonders with the ball- appreciate it

he could have been an all-round flop, no?

seriously, sometimes some of you fans are too khich khich type

[Faizan Lakhani]

some people will never be happy with Shahid Afridi, even if he leads the country to world cup glory.

and then we'll see some threads with the title "I hate Afridi for not naming Wahab Riaz in his world cup speech," some will say "I hate Afridi for the way he raised the trophy" and blah blah.

[Free Hit]

but at the end of the day, everyone got to admire his heroics at countless stages for Pakistan

[chacha kashmiri]

Countless British Pakistanis on this website alone have created accounts based around Afridi's batting, because they love it. That wouldn't happen for the benefit of a player who was a bowler

I'm not quite sure why you referred to them as british pakistanis and not pakistanis unless you think non british pakistanis don't talk about afridi as much or that you think british pakistanis should not revere afridi and should revere someone like petiersen instead

but coming to the rest of your posts as a batsmen he's seen as an entertainer, like a pollard, yusuf pathan so it's not as pathetic as you might think it is to discount his batting in preference to his bowling which has been outstanding.

[BoomBoomCricket]

Once more he gave the commentators an opportunity to mock him & the team with an embarrassing childish dismissal. The most infuriating aspect it that he has the exceptional talent in order to bat well but yet abuses it so much. If you are batting in key positions & are captain of the side you need to bat with some perspective, responsibility and game awareness. You need to show you care & at the very least TRY to read the requirements of the situation & make a contribution to set the example straight from a team perspective. If he is not going to take his batting & captaincy seriously he should be batting at 9-11. You really wonder what he says in the dressing room regarding batting if he himself is guilty of such an ill mannered brain farted approach?

[PerfectionPersonified]

afridi's batting these days shows he is basically mentally retarded in batting disciplines atleast

[Kray_jackson7]

baba boom boom out is still the best batsman we have to offer without a doubt.

[ShahidAfridi_rulez]

been saying this from the first WC match, AFridi can't bat, he will have to improve his batting, but all the Afridi fans just kept bashing me off and kept blaming the other players..........

If he can't bat then he should come lower then Umar Gul, who has probably scored more runs then him. He just creates pressure for the rest of the team.
Actually he lets the scoreboard going with misbah around its hard to score singles in an over.

Boom boom afridi

[AZ]

baba boom boom out is still the best batsman we have to offer without a doubt.

offer as what? an easy wicket o the opposition?

[No_Username]

offer as what? an easy wicket o the opposition?

I told you he has a big heart. :afridi

[cricket_coach]

All he needs to do is understand that every time he goes to bat he cant score fastest fifty. There are dot balls in every over too. PCB can employ hypnotherapist.

[Markhor]

^ Yeah Maqbool Babri,the team psychiatrist did a great job before the T20 WC in 2009.

He even had Shoaib Malik in tears with his sessions.

PCB should look to employ him on a full-time basis,may explain the inexplicable lack of temperament and concentration that our players are prone from time to time.