View Full Version : Vaughan: make Broad new England ODI captain
Robert
28th March 2011, 06:49
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/9438077.stm
With Strausser widely tipped to retire from ODIs, Vaughany thinks Draco could be the man to take England forward.
Maybe.... the extra responsibiity might force him to become more mature too.
cricket_fan_1
28th March 2011, 06:50
What if he keeps missing matches on a regular basis like he is doing now ??
Why not make bell or morgan skipper ??
Hando
28th March 2011, 06:57
Barbie? A captain?
:gul
:))), Whats Vaughan smoking?
Liverpool_Faizan
28th March 2011, 06:59
would be an interesting choice.
personally i would make swann captain.
James
28th March 2011, 06:59
Strauss should remain test captain. Nothing should change in tests.
I can definitely see Broad as the LOI captain. Very intelligent cricketer and bloke, with a huge heart, who has experience of working in the media, and always seems calm and trustworthy in interviews. Time for Strauss and Collingwood to go, maybe Pietersen and Anderson as well.
Morgan is worth considering but there's enough pressure on him as it is.
Swann would be a decent enough choice considering that he is 31, and the 2015 World Cup will probably be his ODI swansong. He would have four years to do the best job he could possibly do, and has the passion, and the intelligence, to succeed.
If they give it to Cook to be 'safe' despite him never being able to hold down a place in the ODI side since his emergence, you can be sure that the 2015 World Cup would go no better than the last few.
Bell rarely gets more than 30 runs in an ODI and has tossed his wicket away over and over again, he shouldn't even be in the team.
I'm crossing my fingers for the sort of wholesale changes that they didn't make after the 2007 World Cup when they had an equally good chance to. We live in hope...
Raz
28th March 2011, 06:59
Why not Swann? The best candidate imo.
James
28th March 2011, 07:04
Why not Swann? The best candidate imo.
Maybe Swann as LOI captain until 2015 World Cup, then he retires and Broad/Morgan inherit the role at a good age (late twenties)
Liverpool_Faizan
28th March 2011, 07:05
Maybe Swann as LOI captain until 2015 World Cup, then he retires and Broad/Morgan inherit the role at a good age (late twenties)
the biggest problem with broad is that he could be another pieterson. and he will act on emotion rather than using his brain.
James
28th March 2011, 07:07
the biggest problem with broad is that he could be another pieterson. and he will act on emotion rather than using his brain.
True, but Broad seems to have matured a lot. It was the Zoni throwing incident and the fine that sorted him out. He's been exemplary on and off the field ever since. This season, on short notice, he sat in a commentary box with Agnew, Boycott and other ex-players and came across just as knowledgable and grounded as they did, if not more so.
askmoi
28th March 2011, 07:09
swann for me...broad gets injured too often imo
Mujtaba_Saeed
28th March 2011, 07:11
what about Parghat Singh Kahlon aka Gattu???
James
28th March 2011, 07:11
IIRC, Broad rarely if ever picked up notable injuries before this season.
Fawad2010
28th March 2011, 07:15
how about KP?
a lot of english people i know are full of praise for him...
cricket_fan_1
28th March 2011, 07:16
Why not make trott as skipper...Will be the second south african skipper in modern english cricket after KP
James
28th March 2011, 07:18
KP isn't even interested in ODI cricket anymore, he should be removed from the team. His departure mid-tour was a very telling one. He has 3 years of T20s and 5 years of tests left in him, at most. He could have been a great but will probably end up being viewed as a letdown.
Trott is playing too well, he should not be given the burden of captaincy (and he could not play T20s either - we don't want to end up with three captains)
Hando
28th March 2011, 07:18
what about Parghat Singh Kahlon aka Gattu???
he can only plat T20 cup, and retire straight after, plus he's 34 or somethng
Liverpool_Faizan
28th March 2011, 07:19
Why not make trott as skipper...Will be the second south african skipper in modern english cricket after KP
third. strauss is south african as well.
cricket_fan_1
28th March 2011, 07:19
third. strauss is south african as well.
Atleast strauss grew up and learnt cricket on english soil...unlike trott and KP
Fawad2010
28th March 2011, 07:20
I think Collingwood is a good choice for ODI's too.
James
28th March 2011, 07:20
Tony Greig anyone?
Wised up
28th March 2011, 07:21
Swann wins for me, hands down. He is the only spinner, after Warne who has charisma. Not saying he is in the same class but the guy definitely has the 'X-factor' He comes as an intelligent bloke with good cricketing skills. I hope they make him the captain till next world cup.
Fawad2010
28th March 2011, 07:21
Swann wins for me, hands down. He is the only spinner, after Warne who has charisma. Not saying he is in the same class but the guy definitely has the 'X-factor' He comes as an intelligent bloke with good cricketing skills. I hope they make him the captain till next world cup.
:afridi
:D
James
28th March 2011, 07:22
Swann wins for me, hands down. He is the only spinner, after Warne who has charisma. Not saying he is in the same class but the guy definitely has the 'X-factor' He comes as an intelligent bloke with good cricketing skills. I hope they make him the captain till next world cup.
Yeah, I think I've decided on Swann too. Until 2015 WC.
But I've got a simply dreadful feeling that it will be Cook or Bell......
Krishnan
28th March 2011, 07:22
Sidebottom as captain.cool name.Newspapers can make good headline tags with the name,whenever he leads the team to victory
Wised up
28th March 2011, 07:27
Yeah, I think I've decided on Swann too. Until 2015 WC.
But I've got a simply dreadful feeling that it will be Cook or Bell......
Why cook? Are they going to pull a PCB-ish here?:misbah
Wised up
28th March 2011, 07:29
:afridi
:D
lol no doubt he is up there in the bowling department but somehow his batting is a turnoff- at least for me.
James
28th March 2011, 07:30
Why cook? Are they going to pull a PCB-ish here?:misbah
Yep except that particular PCB-ish had a basis and seems to have worked :misbah
Bringing in Cook as the one-day captain has no basis. He is a player who has practically no experience of playing in international one-day cricket (particularly tournaments) let alone captaining in international one-day cricket, and his tenure would be a complete disaster. And don't be surprised if/when you see it happen!!
26 innings, avg 33, SR 70. no no no no no no no no no no! etc
PakPrince
28th March 2011, 07:37
PCB making Misbah captain and it working out is one of the biggest fluke in history. They had no idea what they were doing
Ironcat
28th March 2011, 07:39
SA and England are playing leapfrog here. I'd say Swann (the offie) is much worthy successor to Strauss (the leftie opener) than Botha to Smith.
Broad would be a disaster. You need to be fit and smooth as Wasim or Imran to captain a side as a fast bowler.
siccric
28th March 2011, 07:40
Why is Strauss retiring from ODIs? He's one of England's best batsmen in the format these days.
James
28th March 2011, 07:46
Why is Strauss retiring from ODIs? He's one of England's best batsmen in the format these days.
He will have probably retired from all forms of cricket before the next World Cup, so as good as he is, it's kind of pointless for him to continue.
Nics
28th March 2011, 07:50
Broad is a good ODI bowler and an important player in the team but the main problem with Broad is his fitness. He has missed lots of games because of injuries, so its best just to give captaincy to Swann. He is their best bowler and deserves to be captain.
Ahsan_8
28th March 2011, 08:08
Barbie as Captain ? :))):))):))):))):))):))) :akhtar
Spiderguy252
28th March 2011, 08:14
Hmm......what does Yuvraj Singh think? :)
IAJ
28th March 2011, 09:07
With Broad's onfield behaviour he shouldn't be considered at all. He is not mentally ready at all.
Swann should be captaining in the shorter versions. You can't have three different captains. Swanny for T20s and ODIs and Strauss to continue Test captaincy.
Justcrazy
28th March 2011, 09:18
I feel its better to make Cook the captain and get him in the ODI. He has done well in Test matches. With more opportunities he will improve. He will provide stability on top of the order. With him let a sort of dasher open the innings.
Strike!
28th March 2011, 09:26
Broad doesn't have the composure on a cricket field to be captain.
Waq
28th March 2011, 09:57
I think Vaughan is being disrespectful with all his comments about the England captaincy and how Strauss should quit. Ever since the quarter finals defeat, Vaughan has been calling for Strauss's head and now he is even naming successors! Let Strauss have that rest like he and Flower said he would and take it from there. No problems with journalists discussing this but a no no if you are an ex captain recently turned pundit who was team mates with Broad, Cook and Strauss. I personally am reading between the lines that Vaughan is not a huge fan of Strauss and rarely seems to praise him. Anyhow my take on captain if Strauss were to quit would be Swann and not a cry baby who has to shave his hair to appear slightly masculine.
hayat
28th March 2011, 10:00
broad's going to throw a hissy fit [on field] if things don't go his way
swann's a better option
adnan yasin
28th March 2011, 10:00
if strauss might give up then SWAN should give the role of captain
intothevoid
28th March 2011, 10:07
Hahahahahahahahahah... Broad as captain did you say?? Hahahahahhahha.. wow! I hope they make him captain, so I can laugh at English incompetence for many years to come.
Swann any day!
Robert
28th March 2011, 10:12
Why not make trott as skipper...Will be the second south african skipper in modern english cricket after KP
Tony Greig was skipper in the early 1970s, and Allan Lamb was captain briefly too.
I think Trott is too remote a character to be a good skipper.
Broad or Swann for me. Discard Strauss, KP, Colly, Bell, probably Jimmy, definitely Wright. Keep Cook, Trott, Bops, Morgs, Draco, Bres and Swann as the nucleus of the side to contest WC15.
intothevoid
28th March 2011, 10:29
Other teams would kill for a player like KP. Maybe he should return to SA! haha
malakian
28th March 2011, 12:36
Broad should be captain. Swann is already our best bowler by miles, don't want to see him burdened with captaincy.
Sledger
28th March 2011, 12:39
I would say Morgan is the best choice as he isn't over-emotional and could probably lead the team well. Broad, on the other hand, is a sulker but he is a very attacking cricketer and good in ODIs overall. I think he could become a good ODI captain over time, he's certainly an option.
Majestic_Inzi
28th March 2011, 12:41
whenever this guy talks he talks alot of bull.
Hes a true englishmen who is totally biased against the pakistanis. The drivel that comes out of mouth is unbelievable.
He couldnt keep fit when he was playing and now he thinks he knows everything.
malakian
28th March 2011, 12:45
whenever this guy talks he talks alot of bull.
Hes a true englishmen who is totally biased against the pakistanis. The drivel that comes out of mouth is unbelievable.
He couldnt keep fit when he was playing and now he thinks he knows everything.
Can't see you keep the 'everyone is biased against us' point to a separate thread? It's getting a bit boring now.
Vaughan has the right to give his opinion, and that he believes Strauss should step down & pass the baton to Broad is a sensible one.
GOAT
28th March 2011, 12:48
Whats the point? VC captain would end up captaining most the matches lol. I'd go with KP personally but he seems pretty laisesz faire about one day cricket. It pretty much falls between Swann and Morgan IMO.
Majestic_Inzi
28th March 2011, 12:57
Can't see you keep the 'everyone is biased against us' point to a separate thread? It's getting a bit boring now.
Vaughan has the right to give his opinion, and that he believes Strauss should step down & pass the baton to Broad is a sensible one.
when did he decide to let go of the captaincy, do you remember?
Theo_14
28th March 2011, 18:15
From my view - I personally think Broad would be a bad choice for now.. Although he is a certain contender for the captaincy in the future, I just believe it's too early for Broad to become the captain.. I mean let's be honest, he can't even handle his own emotions then how on earth would he handle the team, especially when the team is in extreme pressure?
He just doesn't seem to have the right materials to be the captain yet - just doesn't make sense.. I'd stick with Strauss and after a couple of tours the ECB should decide to inject new blood in the side or introduce the "golden generation" which England football team has introduced after the World cup 2010 in SA.
James
28th March 2011, 18:19
when did he decide to let go of the captaincy, do you remember?
Is that a rhetorical question or would you like me to provide the answer?
James
28th March 2011, 18:27
Other teams would kill for a player like KP. Maybe he should return to SA! haha
It's not even an issue over his dual nationality - he just doesn't seem to want to play much one-day cricket any more. I expect him to retire from ODIs soon enough, play T20 for three years, tests for five, and then spend his immediate retirement in England with Jessica, Dylan and the future sprogs, taking the odd holiday. And I wouldn't blame him for feeling burnt out either - he's been a fabulous player for England that carried our team in every format for a good three or four years, and he's given a lot of emotion and toil to English cricket.
Poison
28th March 2011, 18:29
Swann is way too temperamental to be a captain. Though I would pay to see him give every post match interview. So many lols.
James
28th March 2011, 18:31
Swann is way too temperamental to be a captain.
You see, I like that. I like aggression, I see it as passion. Same with Broad, and Hussain back in the day. But a lot of England fans and non-England fans would disagree with me, I'm sure.
Poison
28th March 2011, 18:37
I see your point :afridi
It'd be silly to give it to Broad; the only two players who are guaranteed selections for England in ODI's right now are Trott and Swann. Why is Straussy bowing out anyways?
James
28th March 2011, 18:43
He isn't necessarily bowing out yet. Nothing is decided. Only thing is he will be 38 in 2015 and will probably want to be retired from all formats by then.
But you never know. He is batting well and looks in great shape, so he might stay. But if he even suggests to them that he doesn't think he has another four years left, I reckon they'll say, 'tests only then mate'. Because then it would be time to build a new ODI side under a new captain.
Amir
28th March 2011, 18:43
The job shouldn't go to a foreigner and they should select a local man. Someone like a Trott or Pietersen would do I reckon. :P
On a serious note, they should keep Strauss as captain till the next Champions trophy or for 1.5-2 years more. Appoint a VC who will learn under him rather than just handing it off. I don't think Broad is captaincy material because he suffers from injuries too much, so they would need a 2nd captain either way.
grunge
28th March 2011, 18:59
Swann....definitely...the best player in the squad,so has the capability to lead from the front..that is the most important criteria for me..a captain has to have the ability to perform at a high level and then set an example for the team for follow..
it makes perfect sense otherwise too..he can remain captain for 5 odd years and then it could be handed over to the likes of Morgan/Broad who would then be mature/experienced enough to take the role
Looney
28th March 2011, 19:07
Yeah it will be always interesting to watch Afridi 11 vs Barbie 11
Maula Jutt
28th March 2011, 22:44
Even if he hasn't matured yet, I think captaincy will mature him for sure. So yes, Barbie would be the best choice for England right now. You need someone young and with fire in his belly.
Swann should not be overburdened.
Watsupdoc
28th March 2011, 22:46
Woah I didn't think that this defeat would have affected them by so much. I mean English to tend to put Ashes higher up than World Cup so ya... But Broad and captain seriously?
Saqs
29th March 2011, 02:34
I'd want Swann to take it if I was English.
Just imagine all the brilliant pre and post-match conferences we will witness.
JilaWatan
29th March 2011, 02:43
vaughan is def not in his hosh-o-havas. im sure there are players of better caliber than malfoy. trott...KP...Swann...even Bell
zhivago
29th March 2011, 04:30
I would say make Micheal Waugh the captain. Then the English team will make the legendary Aussie team look like present day Kenya in comparison.
Saqs
29th March 2011, 04:50
Michael Waugh? As in Steve and Mark's brother?
zhivago
29th March 2011, 06:12
So you haven't heard of him? And it's Micheal Waugh. Much better than Michael Vaughan and all the Waughs combined.
Radiance Of Australis
29th March 2011, 06:27
If Broad is appointed captain, then people will stop taking England seriously.
Whats wrong with Strauss? He is nice. :)
Fireworks11
29th March 2011, 11:17
Strauss is 34. Makes sense to retire from ODIs.
Broad is an aggressive choice.
malakian
29th March 2011, 11:28
Broad would make a good captain. Very intelligent cricketer, aggressive, in your face etc. People will point to his fitness, but before this year he never missed a match. He has a good action for a fast bowler, so should in theory should be able to stay fit.
Broad for captain, Swann as his deputy.
Fireworks11
29th March 2011, 11:29
His fitness has only been in the spotlight this year.
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