How many matches won and lost under Afridi captaincy???

[bond of cricket]

What's the ratio compare to other captains???

[PakPrince]

1 WIN 2 Losses in Asia Cup
3-2 loss to england
3-2 loss to south africa
3-2 win over new zealand
6 wins and 2 losses in world cup
3-2 win over wi

[PakPrince]

17 WINS and 14 LOSSES

[akamaka]

Its great, we have been playing against the top teams, and have just closely lost the series. Against weaker teams we have won the series.

[bond of cricket]

3-2 loss to england
3-2 loss to south africa
3-2 win over new zealand
6 wins and 2 losses in world cup
3-2 win over wi
thnx for information bro but i guess asia cup played under his captaincy if am not mistaken....any way more thn 50% winning ration under him

[PakPrince]

thnx for information bro but i guess asia cup played under his captaincy if am not mistaken....any way more thn 50% winning ration under him

yeah forgot that.
asia cup seems so so long ago. like a different era.. khair i fixed it

[kkmix]

It's not bad at all. Specially if we look at the oppositions we have faced. We have done well in the last year under Afridi.

[james_bond]

It was a team full of controversies though!

Afridi deserve credit for the unity of team and atleast we are competitive now!

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[cricketpassion]

Just remember we should have won the series against Englang if umpires were not too kind to England

[Zamee]

thnx for information bro but i guess asia cup played under his captaincy if am not mistaken....any way more thn 50% winning ration under him

And still people want him out of the team !! :)))
Weird isnt it ??

[Zamee]

Insaniyant and Downtoearth please report to this thread!!

[PakPrince]

yaar tbh 50% isnt earth shatteringg

[ads101]

Just remember we should have won the series against Englang if umpires were not too kind to England
come on give credit, where credit's due. England were the better side in that ODI series.

[Zamee]

yaar tbh 50% isnt earth shatteringg

yeah u are right but we dont have wasim, waqar, inzamam, saeed anwar in our team now!! half of the team is filled by mediocre players or noobs!!

[freelance_cricketer]

Has done an ok job, the big question is how much has the team improved under him??

[kkmix]

Has done an ok job, the big question is how much has the team improved under him??

Afridi's response to that would be "don't think negative questions."

[Random Aussie]

Has done an ok job, the big question is how much has the team improved under him??

Hard to tell because the team changes all the time.

[Energy]

Has been decent overall. Would be unfair to be expecting a lot out of any captain after the 3 idiots did the business.

[freelance_cricketer]

True actually, its never easy for a leader in Pakistan when things are just not stable.

I always judge a captain mostly by what he leaves for the future apart from the achievements in his time. The improvements are the achievements

[EmaanPakistan]

what about T20 matches

[SG]

I'd say Afridi has been quite good for Pak, results wise.

Apart from winning last 2 bilateral series, albeit against Kiwis and WI, he led his team to a WC SF. Before this he narrowly lost series against Eng and SA.

So all in all, he has led Pak well. Don't let the last 2 ODI losses against WI cloud your judgement of him which anyway were dead rubbers. I know its good to win each and every game you play but you've to see the team he has under his disposal. You can't expect this young team to whitewash teams even if it is WI, at least not as of now.

[Down2Earth]

he's probably got a 7% win rate in T20's.

[bond of cricket]

Just remember we should have won the series against Englang if umpires were not too kind to England
agree

[bond of cricket]

And still people want him out of the team !! :)))
Weird isnt it ??
tht's what i feel too bro....

[bond of cricket]

I'd say Afridi has been quite good for Pak, results wise.

Apart from winning last 2 bilateral series, albeit against Kiwis and WI, he led his team to a WC SF. Before this he narrowly lost series against Eng and SA.

So all in all, he has led Pak well. Don't let the last 2 ODI losses against WI cloud your judgement of him which anyway were dead rubbers. I know its good to win each and every game you play but you've to see the team he has under his disposal. You can't expect this young team to whitewash teams even if it is WI, at least not as of now.
totally agree with you....and what i feel personally that WI is playing cricket too even they deserve to win matches isn't? after all they are cricket player...!!

[gameovais]

Since when was reaching the World Cup Semi Final an achievement. Lol at all those fans who have set such low standards that they are happy with semi finals. Is this what Pakistan has become, a team who aims for the last 4 of a WC and not the actual trophy?

[Blitz]

1 WIN 2 Losses in Asia Cup
3-2 loss to england
3-2 loss to south africa
3-2 win over new zealand
6 wins and 2 losses in world cup
3-2 win over wi

So...discounting minnows:

0-2 in the Asia Cup.
2-3 loss to england
2-3 loss to south africa
3-2 win over new zealand
3-2 in the World Cup
3-2 win to West Indies

13-14

Who said 50%?

And to be honest, 4 of those wins were vs West Indies as well and since we LOST points in that series, does it really count as winning?

[sam]

So...discounting minnows:

0-2 in the Asia Cup.
2-3 loss to england
2-3 loss to south africa
3-2 win over new zealand
3-2 in the World Cup
3-2 win to West Indies

13-14

Who said 50%?

And to be honest, 4 of those wins were vs West Indies as well and since we LOST points in that series, does it really count as winning?


1-2 in the Asia Cup
6-2 in the WC

Get where the over 50% comes from?

[Zamee]

So...discounting minnows:

0-2 in the Asia Cup.
2-3 loss to england
2-3 loss to south africa
3-2 win over new zealand
3-2 in the World Cup
3-2 win to West Indies

13-14

Who said 50%?

And to be honest, 4 of those wins were vs West Indies as well and since we LOST points in that series, does it really count as winning?

LOL since we have gone down that much u should also count the wins under inzi's captaincy as losses ( cuz we lost the points) :)

[Zamee]

he's probably got a 7% win rate in T20's.

T20 is fun cricket ;) It doesnt even have a proper ranking system mate :D

[Rizz Khan]

He Hasn't Been Bad AT ALL.

[Blitz]

1-2 in the Asia Cup
6-2 in the WC

Get where the over 50% comes from?

Erm......when you plan on treating others as idiots, just make sure you read the whole post.

Infact, ATLEAST make sure you read the first line.

Thank you :)

[Blitz]

LOL since we have gone down that much u should also count the wins under inzi's captaincy as losses ( cuz we lost the points) :)
That was more a play on the fact, West Indies should be counted as minnows.

You know, because they were ranked under Bangladesh, and the wins against us propelled them back up?

[Kray_jackson7]

Yes lets not count the wins vs minnows! Maybe thats why we lost 2007 world cup, our players thought the win Vs ireland doesnt count anyway

[No_Username]

What's the ratio compare to other captains???

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=124308
Excluding the West Indies series.

[Blitz]

Yes lets not count the wins vs minnows! Maybe thats why we lost 2007 world cup, our players thought the win Vs ireland doesnt count anyway

Wins vs minnows don't count.

Losses do.

:))

[Riff]

How does that compare to other recent captains? :moyo :yk :malik

[786warrior]

what's the win loss ratio in "must-win" games under afridi??? I wonder............

[Noman]

what's the win loss ratio in "must-win" games under afridi??? I wonder............

10% Only won against Wi in WC:...

As a captain and as a batsman afridi is useless

If we need 2 runs in 3 balls..(last wicket) this idiot will still try to hit the ball out for 6 instead of winning the match.. Now against Wi his bowling has been rubbish... Rehman would have done 2 times better job.

[BoomBoomCricket]

His T20 record as captain is 8 wins in 19 T20 internationals including only 1 win in the last 8 matches.

He failed to reach the final in the Asia Cup.

He failed to successfully defend the ICC WT20 title.

In 2010 Pakistan only won 5/14 ODIs under his captaincy.

It is simply Misbah's inclusion in the ODI set up which has made the difference. 12/19 ODI victories this year. The guidance, responsibility, consistency, calm flowing presence, tactical expertise & sheer professionalism he has demonstrated has made Afridi's job a heck of a lot easier.

[zaid65]

1 WIN 2 Losses in Asia Cup
3-2 loss to england
3-2 loss to south africa
3-2 win over new zealand
6 wins and 2 losses in world cup
3-2 win over wi


On the same token, can you please compare head to head Afridi's record with Shoaib Malik's record as a captain?

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

On the same token, can you please compare head to head Afridi's record with Shoaib Malik's record as a captain?

And while you are doing that, make sure that you do not include the minnows like Bangla, Zim, Ireland specially.

[Kray_jackson7]

On the same token, can you please compare head to head Afridi's record with Shoaib Malik's record as a captain?

The difference? No one in the team liked shoaib malik, though he was performing at the same time he was trying to kick out all of our best players

[zaid65]

And while you are doing that, make sure that you do not include the minnows like Bangla, Zim, Ireland specially.


Hahaha, so it is OK to include 3rd rate WI team record, Kenya, Canada, Zimbabwe against Afridi but not for Shoaib Malik?

[zaid65]

The difference? No one in the team liked shoaib malik, though he was performing at the same time he was trying to kick out all of our best players

Reason was simple, all politics and sneaky games were started by corrupt and cheater Afridi.

[Kray_jackson7]

Reason was simple, all politics and sneaky games were started by corrupt and cheater Afridi.

Yes they were, Afridi has managed to kick out Shoaib malik from the team and YK, he has also been match fixing since 96, and has been clubbing every night but zaid65 and his 'sources' are the only people who know, Well Afridi doesnt seem so brainless anymore. Genius

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

Hahaha, so it is OK to include 3rd rate WI team record, Kenya, Canada, Zimbabwe against Afridi but not for Shoaib Malik?


WI is the 3rd rated team for some years now. Its not that they just recently got the 7/8 ranking.

Let me give you the list for this comparison;

Aus, Eng, Ind, SA, SL, NZ and WI.

[Riff]

From what I can gather

Malik captained in 26 ODIs and won 18 of them.

[Kray_jackson7]

From what I can gather

Malik captained in 26 ODIs and won 18 of them.

Against...

Fact is SM was dropped due to the dirty politics he played, his performance was Excellent as captain

[Riff]

Against...

Fact is SM was dropped due to the dirty politics he played, his performance was Excellent as captain

like Zaid said if Afridi 's performances as captain can include all the teams, not just the good sides, then the same should be applied to Malik as well.

What Semi-Final?

[Kray_jackson7]

like Zaid said if Afridi 's performances as captain can include all the teams, not just the good sides, then the same should be applied to Malik as well.

What Semi-Final?

SM - shoaib Malik

The difference? Afridi played minnows as a result of meeting in tournaments. SM played Series after series Against them :)) Correct me if im wrong didnt we play 3 series Vs bangla/zimb one after another?

[Riff]

SM - shoaib Malik

The difference? Afridi played minnows as a result of meeting in tournaments. SM played Series after series Against them :)) Correct me if im wrong didnt we play 3 series Vs bangla/zimb one after another?

Did he organise tours?

Only thing this shows that he was sacked from captaincy despite having a good record and his captaincy not being tested against the good teams :facepalm:

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

SM - shoaib Malik

The difference? Afridi played minnows as a result of meeting in tournaments. SM played Series after series Against them :)) Correct me if im wrong didnt we play 3 series Vs bangla/zimb one after another?

I think you are correct. I recall SM captained the team against minnows mostly. I don't know how to check that stats to prove that. May be someone here can.

[Kray_jackson7]

Did he organise tours?

Only thing this shows that he was sacked from captaincy despite having a good record and his captaincy not being tested against the good teams :facepalm:

I believe he was dropped due to his dirty politics and trying to kick out all the experienced players. I am not questioning his performance, i believe while captain especially his performance was a very good.

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

Did he organise tours?

Only thing this shows that he was sacked from captaincy despite having a good record and his captaincy not being tested against the good teams :facepalm:


So accept the fact that there is nothing substantial to prove that SM is better than Afridi rather than claiming he is.

[Riff]

Malik has a record 12 consecutive wins for a Pakistani captain

[sam]

And those wins were against?

[Kray_jackson7]

:))) How does it feel him not being in the team? Are you watching tennis now?

[Riff]

So accept the fact that there is nothing substantial to prove that SM is better than Afridi rather than claiming he is.

His stats shows that he was capable of being a better captain than Afridi, but he wasnt give a fair chance.

For example, Afridi loss 2 series back to back as captain and he was persisted with, while Malik lost against India and he was removed.

[No_Username]

From what I can gather

Malik captained in 26 ODIs and won 18 of them.

From what I can gather

Malik captained in 36 ODIs and won 24 of them.

Though the are still pretty good stats, against...

[Riff]

I believe he was dropped due to his dirty politics and trying to kick out all the experienced players. I am not questioning his performance, i believe while captain especially his performance was a very good.

Lets not act like guys like Moyo didnt want the captaincy after Inzi retired. Hell, Moyo was critical of Malik's inclusion in the team let alone him being captain. How did you want Malik to act?

[Riff]

From what I can gather

Malik captained in 36 ODIs and won 24 of them.

Though the are still pretty good stats, against...

Read post #52 and stop making me repeat myself :azeem

[Kray_jackson7]

Seems like once you take out our matches Vs minnows with SM as captain it reads 11 wins 12 losses. Not as impressive

[Riff]

:))) How does it feel him not being in the team? Are you watching tennis now?

Good attempt to diverge away from the thread topic. Afridites are masters of that :ibutt

[Riff]

Seems like once you take out our matches Vs minnows with SM as captain it reads 11 wins 12 losses. Not as impressive

Bring out the full statistics

[spoiled]

Player Span Mat Won Lost Tied NR %

Shahid Afridi 2009-2011 34 18 15 0 1 54.54

[Kray_jackson7]

A quick look later, once you take out all matches Vs minnows from recent captain (SM, YK, SA) Afridi has the highest win/loss ratio and given the much weaker team afridi has had in comparison :14:

[spoiled]

simple!

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/engine/records/individual/list_captains.html?class=2;id=7;type=team

[Riff]

simple!

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/engine/records/individual/list_captains.html?class=2;id=7;type=team

Malik win percentage 66%

If you say "But Against?"- Refer to post #52

Dont waste my time :bow:

[sam]

Yay!

Malik's W-L is better than Wasim too. Forget about the opponents. Refer to post #52.

[Kray_jackson7]

riff do you consider SM a better captain then Imran Khan?

[Riff]

Yay!

Malik's W-L is better than Wasim too. Forget about the opponents. Refer to post #52.

If you cant respond to post #52. Just say so.

Dont waste my time :azeem

[sam]

riff do you consider SM a better captain then Imran Khan?

What a non-question, mak.

66.66>> 55.92

[No_Username]

Malik win percentage 66%

If you say "But Against?"- Refer to post #52

Dont waste my time :bow:

According to #52, he didn't get tested against good teams.

Therefore, that Win percentage goes out of the equation.


:malik<:afridi

[sam]

If you cant respond to post #52. Just say so.

Dont waste my time :azeem

He didn't get to captain Vs better teams does not mean you can assume he would do great against them.

[Riff]

What a non-question, mak.

66.66>> 55.92

Did I say Malik was a better captain than anybody? Refer to the post where I said this?

At the most I said he was capable of being a better captain, if given a fair run.

Afridi and Younis Khan fans are losing the plot :)))

Look Mak and Sam it seems you two enjoy wasting your time, however others dont. Who are others? Riff. So dont waste my time :azeem

[sam]

Did I say Malik was better than one? Refer to the post where I said this?

At the most I said he was capable of being a better captain, if given a fair run.

Afridi and Younis Khan fans are losing the plot :)))

Look guys it seems you two enjoy wasting your time, however others dont. Who are others? Riff. So dont waste my time :azeem

LOL.

On what premise are you saying Malik is better than Afridi? On the basis of their winning percentages, right? Opposition, you don't care. Teams, you don't care. The same [non] logic I applied to the W/L ratio that Imran and Wasim have in comparison to Malik.

[Riff]

According to #52, he didn't get tested against good teams.

Therefore, that Win percentage goes out of the equation.


:malik<:afridi

According to post #52, he didnt get tested against good teams, so saying Afridi was better because of his record against good teams goes out the equation.

Malik as a batsman>>>>>>>>>>>> :malik

[Thees_Mar_Khan]

His stats shows that he was capable of being a better captain than Afridi, but he wasnt give a fair chance.

For example, Afridi loss 2 series back to back as captain and he was persisted with, while Malik lost against India and he was removed.

If everyone's success is judged on IF and BUTS than Mansoor AKthar would be the best pakistani batsman ever. Go figure...

[Kray_jackson7]

Think its pretty fair to say he was a crap captain

[Kray_jackson7]

According to post #52, he didnt get tested against good teams, so saying Afridi was better because of his record against good teams goes out the equation.

Malik as a batsman>>>>>>>>>>>> :malik

Maliks batting is better then... His face? His pp pic?

[sam]

According to post #52, he didnt get tested against good teams, so saying Afridi was better because of his record against good teams goes out the equation.

Malik as a batsman>>>>>>>>>>>> :malik

In reality, comparisons are made between two different individuals.

[Riff]

LOL.

On what premise are you saying Malik is better than Afridi? On the basis of their winning percentages, right? Opposition, you don't care. Teams, you don't care. The same [non] logic I applied to the W/L ratio that Imran and Wasim have in comparison to Malik.

I did not say Malik was better than anybody. Youre delusional.

[sam]

Maliks batting is better then... His face? His pp pic?

He means Malik the batsman is better than Malik.

Won't compare with the rest because Riff doesn't like wasting time.

[No_Username]

According to post #52, he didnt get tested against good teams, so saying Afridi was better because of his record against good teams goes out the equation.

Malik as a batsman>>>>>>>>>>>> :malik

:afridi as a player>>>>>>>>>>>>> :malik

[Riff]

Maliks batting is better then... His face? His pp pic?

Why are you responding to posts directed at other people. Clearly I was comparing Afridi and Malik as batsmen, since No_Username said Afridi was better than Malik in his post

Dont worry its a fact. Stats prove it.:waqar

[Kray_jackson7]

Why are you responding to posts directed at other people. Clearly I was comparing Afridi and Malik as batsmen, since No_Username said Afridi was better than Malik in his post

Dont worry its a fact. Stats prove it.:waqar

But you said SM was >>>>>>>>>> :malik

[Riff]

:afridi as a player>>>>>>>>>>>>> :malik

as a player? how did you work that out? :23:

Malik's batting average 34, Afridi's batting average 23 (look at the difference :malik)


Malik's bowling average 36, Afridi's bowling average 34 (look at the "difference" :23:)

[Riff]

But you said SM was >>>>>>>>>> :malik

I said SM was a better batsmen than Afridi

[sam]

I said SM was a better batsmen than Afridi

You said Malik as a batsman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :malik

Clearly. Proof:

According to post #52, he didnt get tested against good teams, so saying Afridi was better because of his record against good teams goes out the equation.

Malik as a batsman>>>>>>>>>>>> :malik

[No_Username]

as a player? how did you work that out? :23:

Malik's batting average 34, Afridi's batting average 23 (look at the difference :malik)


Malik's bowling average 36, Afridi's bowling average 34 (look at the "difference" :23:)

This is what you call selective stats.:miandadrules:

What about the Strike rates?

:afridi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :malik

[No_Username]

Afridi's ODI strike rate is more than Malik's T20 Strike rate:)))

[Riff]

You said Malik as a batsman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :malik

Clearly. Proof:

Yh I said Malik was a better batsman, that smiley was seperate.
lol at Malik haters picking out the little things to ignore the rest of the posts

[No_Username]

^Malik Haters?

Oh come on...:facepalm:

If we would be criticising him all the time then we are capable of being called a Malik Hater.

But we don't.

[Riff]

This is what you call selective stats.:miandadrules:

What about the Strike rates?

:afridi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :malik

:))) how is that selective?

Both are all-rounders, so Im comparing their batting and bowling averages.

Being selective would mean comparing useless things like strike rates :)))

Are you saying Afridi is better than Tendulkar because he has a better strike rate? :))

Its about averages kid

[Riff]

^Malik Haters?

Oh come on...:facepalm:

If we would be criticising him all the time then we are capable of being called a Malik Hater.

But we don't.

Pollard is a better batsman than Ponting because he has a better stike rate :)))

:bow: to the logic of Afridi fans

[No_Username]

Pollard is a better batsman than Ponting because he has a better stike rate :)))

:bow: to the logic of Afridi fans

No, don't get too over-excited over it.

I said,you also have to consider Strike rates, because if you have a higher strike rate then its likely that your average will be lower.

:bow: to the interpretation of Malik fans.

[Riff]

No, don't get too over-excited over it.

I said,you also have to consider Strike rates, because if you have a higher strike rate then its likely that your average will be lower.

:bow: to the interpretation of Malik fans.

You only consider strike rates in T20s. In ODIs, strike rates are below in importance incomparison to averages when judging a player (which I have already successfully compared :malik)

[sam]

Player A:

Scores 20 (9) wins the match

is lesser than

Player B:

Scores 50 (100) and loses a game?

[Riff]

Player A:

Scores 20 (9) wins the match

is lesser than

Player B:

Scores 50 (100) and loses a game?

I said strike rates are less important, not totally irrelevant. Do you hear commentators talk more about a batsman's average or his strike rate in ODI cricket?

[No_Username]

But the thing is, you need a mixture of all attributes to judge a player.

Not just average or strike rates etc.

Though Shoaib Malik is a good batsmen and as a player he probably does deserve to make it atleast into the squad.

I like Malik,but ofcourse not as much as :afridi

[No_Username]

Player A:

Scores 20 (9) wins the match

is lesser than

Player B:

Scores 50 (100) and loses a game?

Player A:http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/343759.html
:afridi

Player B:http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/433605.html

:misbah

Shows the importance of Strike rate.

[Looney]

Has done an ok job, the big question is how much has the team improved under him??

Bro , first he had to BUILD a team and from there on you can look to improve it .

[octavian]

At least Afridi doesn't fix.