Gandhi To Hitler

[Namak_Halaal]

1939 - A world plagued with unrest and upheaval. Adolf Hitler's ruthless ambition for German expansion in Eastern Europe is becoming increasingly violent and inhuman. Whereas another nation, India, struggles in its fight for freedom against the British as the idealistic Mahatama Gandhi continues to appeal to his countrymen to adopt a stand of non-violence. A stark contrast in ideologies even with an eventual common opponent, Gandhi one day decides to pen a letter to the German dictator... a letter he hoped would persuade Hitler to change his path and avoid the Second World War, avoid the massive calamity that it would bring on.

Gandhi then wrote a second letter to Hitler, this time closer to Hitler's own downfall, at a time when Hitler was plagued with betrayal all around him while confined to an underground bunker. We witness a contrast in the ideologies of these two leaders and the eminent result of Hitler's brutal and catastrophic methods.

Gandhi to Hitler looks at Hitler's downfall, his last days when only his love Eva Braun and his trusted aide Joseph Goebbels stood by him, as Germany crumbled around him and his trusted comrades deserted him; and through the central young couple Balbir and Amrita we see that the fate of many was determined by the ideology that they chose to adopt.

The film establishes the superiority of Gandhism over Nazism, thereby giving the message of world peace, a message still relevant in today's context where the world continues to grapple with the dark clouds of terrorism.

Has anyone seen this movie? If so, how is it? From the synopsis above the movie sounds pretty interesting.

[jheenga]

Has anyone seen this movie? If so, how is it? From the synopsis above the movie sounds pretty interesting.

yup-you should follow in MKG's steps.

[Vegitto1]

Gandhi = overrated

[Namak_Halaal]

By the way, this is a Bollywood movie! (Released recently)

Language: Hindi

Release Year: 2011

Cast: Neha Dhupia,Raghuveer Yadav,Aman Verma,Lucky Vakharia,Nassar Abdulla,Avijit Dutt,Nikita Anand,Nalin Singh

Producer: Dr. Anil Kumar Sharma

Director: Rakesh Ranjan

Music Director: Arvind ,Lyton

[Pakhtoon_Rules]

Gandhi = overrated

Qotw

[jheenga]

Gandhi = overrated

& hitler ?

[Namak_Halaal]

yup-you should follow in MKG's steps.

What were his steps?

Seriously, have you seen this movie? Worth watching?

[jheenga]

What were his steps?

Seriously, have you seen this movie? Worth watching?

nah, not seen it . tooney dekhi?

[Namak_Halaal]

nah, not seen it . tooney dekhi?

Dude, if I had seen it I wouldn't be asking for people's views on it. :)

[jheenga]

Dude, if I had seen it I wouldn't be asking for people's views on it. :)

lolz. teri ko buri aadat hei so i needed to know :asif

[Pakhtoon_Rules]

Babu par ik aur film.

Iss main bi ghandidgeeri hai kia?

[AZ]

First time I'm hearing of this, sounds interesting...

[Pakhtoon_Rules]

Neha dhupia kon wo julie wali
And aman verma lol

Is it realy on Gandhi or ?

[jheenga]

First time I'm hearing of this, sounds interesting...

Where were you since so many days ?

[UmarAkmals-fan]

& hitler ?

underrated :p :yk

[Sir john]

bollywood producing too much crap movies nowdays :69:

[jheenga]

underrated :p :yk

lol. touh to pagal jaise video dekhta he. no one gonna take you seriously :sami

[Black Zero]

who acted as hitler?

[chaiwala]

Gandhi and Hitler. That is quite the dichotomy. I think i'll watch this.

[Namak_Halaal]

So is there any truth to the synopsis? Did Ghandi really write a letter to Hitler? Or is this another case of Bollywood we-writing history?

I can see the connection between Nazism and Ghandi - Swastika.

[Namak_Halaal]

lolz. teri ko buri aadat hei so i needed to know :asif

The turth always hurts.

[chaiwala]

I can see the connection between Nazism and Ghandi - Swastika.

LOL. I really hope the movie is not about Gandhi and Hitler discussing the swastika via letters :))

[jheenga]

The turth always hurts.

kasam kha tu jooth nahi bolta ...

[UmarAkmals-fan]

lol. touh to pagal jaise video dekhta he. no one gonna take you seriously :sami

no one took hitler seriously when he first came into power ...look what he did :amir

plus every great man has been taken as a joker by the world in some time of there life ...exp..britishers tought ghandi is just an old joker in the start :))

[Namak_Halaal]

kasam kha tu jooth nahi bolta ...

:facepalm:

Kasam kha tu alias nahi hai!?

1 – Stop posting in Hindi in Timepass forum, it is bad manners and unfair on those whom do not understand Hindi.

2 – Stop engraving every thread, every post, that I post in, with your vendetta against me, it gets boring after a while even though I completely understand the truth does hurt.

3 - Stop talking about bombs, there is a time and place for everything, including your insecurity.

4 – Grow up or grow a pair!

I simply asked PPers whether they have seen the movie in the OP; we are not here to see you star in your own personal opera!

:)

[Eagle_Eye]

LOL. I really hope the movie is not about Gandhi and Hitler discussing the swastika via letters :))

Gandhi warned him about the copyright infringement :)

[cornered-tigers]

By the way, this is a Bollywood movie! (Released recently)

Language: Hindi

Release Year: 2011

Cast: Neha Dhupia,Raghuveer Yadav,Aman Verma,Lucky Vakharia,Nassar Abdulla,Avijit Dutt,Nikita Anand,Nalin Singh

Producer: Dr. Anil Kumar Sharma

Director: Rakesh Ranjan

Music Director: Arvind ,Lyton


whos is playing Gandhi? Ofcourse the movie would show Gandhism greater than Nazism, its made in Bollywood!
But, what did Gandhi achieve besides just talking stuff?

[deviously~fading~away]

Hitler's soul must be burning in his grave! Here was a man who believed in the Aryan race & now is being played by an weird Indian actor!

[deviously~fading~away]

And leave it to the Indians to squeeze music into a historical film *facepalm*

[Vegitto1]

& hitler ?

Pure evil IF he sanctioned the holocaust.

As far as his world domination plans go, the same was the objective of the British Empire and now the USA.

Every country harbours that dream and only a few can successfully implement it. Therefore, I would label him a typical leader for starting WW 2 however his oratory skills are unmatched. One of the greatest political speakers.

[Saad Hasan]

If it wasn't for the toll WW2 had exacted on the British empire, hence Hitler in a way, there is no way in hell Gandhi's supposed non-violent movement would have worked...

[Cricketismylife]

pure evil if he sanctioned the holocaust.

As far as his world domination plans go, the same was the objective of the british empire and now the usa.

Every country harbours that dream and only a few can successfully implement it. Therefore, i would label him a typical leader for starting ww 2 however his oratory skills are unmatched. One of the greatest political speakers.

if?????

[Vegitto1]

if?????

Well I always put IF when I talk about holocaust. See most European countries have laws preventing any studies into holocaust (it is a criminal offence to do so) and anything which is guarded so closely by those who champion freedom of speech, makes me think that something surely is amiss.

[KFC_Zinger]

whos is playing Gandhi? Ofcourse the movie would show Gandhism greater than Nazism, its made in Bollywood!
But, what did Gandhi achieve besides just talking stuff?

INR 55 Crore... 1947... Does it ring a bell .... :)

[Vegitto1]

INR 55 Crore... 1947... Does it ring a bell .... :)

His fasting was not the only factor. You cannot put down the 55 Crore solely to Gandhis fasting.

And he did not achieve 1947, people like Bhagat Singh and Jinnah did. No one in Britain really cared whether he lived or died.

had we followed his -non-violence teachings the British would still be ruling in the sub-continent. It is only when we started killing them that they realised they have to leave.

[Namak_Halaal]

who acted as hitler?

Raghuvir Yadav

More info : CLICK HERE (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1980970/)

[Namak_Halaal]

Well I always put IF when I talk about holocaust. See most European countries have laws preventing any studies into holocaust (it is a criminal offence to do so) and anything which is guarded so closely by those who champion freedom of speech, makes me think that something surely is amiss.

Agree, it's even worse than though give Holocaust denial is illegal in a number of European countries.

Austria
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Hungary
Israel
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
The Netherlands
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Spain
Switzerland

Not sure how Isreal makes the list, but for more info CLICK HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial)

Denying freedom of speech is one thing, but to deny freedom of thought is quite another! What a joke.

[Vegitto1]

Agree, it's even worse than though give Holocaust denial is illegal in a number of European countries.

Austria
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Hungary
Israel
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
The Netherlands
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Spain
Switzerland

Not sure how Isreal makes the list, but for more info CLICK HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial)

Denying freedom of speech is one thing, but to deny freedom of thought is quite another! What a joke.


Exactly, the worst thing that can happen if research is allowed is that maybe the number of deaths might come down by a few hundred thousand, but it would not make the holocaust any less significant. In fact independent research coming to the same conclusions will give more credibility.

Trying to hide what happened just raises so many questions.

[Namak_Halaal]

Exactly, the worst thing that can happen if research is allowed is that maybe the number of deaths might come down by a few hundred thousand, but it would not make the holocaust any less significant. In fact independent research coming to the same conclusions will give more credibility.

Trying to hide what happened just raises so many questions.

I think it was David Irwin who was jailed for Holocaust revisionism?

[jheenga]

:facepalm:

Kasam kha tu alias nahi hai!?

1 – Stop posting in Hindi in Timepass forum, it is bad manners and unfair on those whom do not understand Hindi.

2 – Stop engraving every thread, every post, that I post in, with your vendetta against me, it gets boring after a while even though I completely understand the truth does hurt.

3 - Stop talking about bombs, there is a time and place for everything, including your insecurity.

4 – Grow up or grow a pair!

I simply asked PPers whether they have seen the movie in the OP; we are not here to see you star in your own personal opera!

:)

ok , here are da replies :
[1]i will not post in hindi if no one else posts in urdu
[2]vendetta & your acceptence of hurt : are you talking about drones ?
[3]where did i talk about your pet subject bomb here ?
[4]on my balls : you can only see dem after your 2nd & final sex change operation is finished !!!

[Namak_Halaal]

ok , here are da replies :
[1]i will not post in hindi if no one else posts in urdu
[2]vendetta & your acceptence of hurt : are you talking about drones ?
[3]where did i talk about your pet subject bomb here ?
[4]on my balls : you can only see dem after your 2nd & final sex change operation is finished !!!

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[jheenga]

^ Dont like your new look . sorry-u cant see my privates despite dose suggestive pointed ones :)

[Sir john]

GANDHI>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hitler.

[Markhor]

Pure evil IF he sanctioned the holocaust.

As far as his world domination plans go, the same was the objective of the British Empire and now the USA.

Every country harbours that dream and only a few can successfully implement it. Therefore, I would label him a typical leader for starting WW 2 however his oratory skills are unmatched. One of the greatest political speakers.
Heinrich Himmler was actually responsible for some of the worst Holocaust crimes,it was he who have the orders to many of them.

I'd go as far as saying Himmler was just as bad as Adolf Hitler,if not more.

And his oratory skills were fantastic. His first speech as Chancellor had the crowd eating out of the palm of his hand. His ability to evoke emotion is unparalleled. He revolutionised the election campaign,he travelled by air to various cities,air travel at the time was in its infancy.

He was a believer in military Keynesianism. Nazi Germany even reached full employment.

How was he going to repay the money from such investment in public services ? By looting Europe quite frankly.

Contrary to popular belief,the Nazi administration were not particularly ruthless and efficient,Hitler even turned up to important ministerial meetings quite late !

He had a very liberal approach in administerial matters,he hated paperwork and red tape.

Was a political genius but history is whitewashed by the victors !
Albeit,his genius and ability was for all the wrong reasons.

[Markhor]

Adolf Hitler also even admired Islam !

He said it was a religion more compatible for Europe unlike Christianity with its 'meekness' and 'flabbiness'.

Winston Churchill on the other hand had very disparaging views about Islam,he was also a crank racist and a typical British imperialist.

[Namak_Halaal]

Adolf Hitler also even admired Islam !

He said it was a religion more compatible for Europe unlike Christianity with its 'meekness' and 'flabbiness'.

Winston Churchill on the other hand had very disparaging views about Islam,he was also a crank racist and a typical British imperialist.

Interesting. My question would be why did Nazisim adopt the Swastika as a symbol?

[Namak_Halaal]

"In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the Nazis' new flag: "In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic." (pg. 496-497)"

[Markhor]

Interesting. My question would be why did Nazisim adopt the Swastika as a symbol?
Well it was a popular symbol at the time. The Church in some places used it and so did the Slavs (oh the irony). The swastika has a fair bit of history. It had been used for centuries as it was thought to be a good luck symbol,a sign of success.

Hitler probably saw the sign as a mark of Aryan inspiration,the symbol of success.

[Markhor]

If it wasn't for the toll WW2 had exacted on the British empire, hence Hitler in a way, there is no way in hell Gandhi's supposed non-violent movement would have worked...
Indeed,Britain was bankrupt after the Second World War,and was financially tied to American loans.
Rationing continued all the way until 1954. Unemployment was high.Britain could not afford Labour's expensive and wasteful welfare state.

Though it has to be said Britain's empire had actually been in decline BEFORE the Second World War. It could no longer overpower others with its navy,air power was now the real asset. Britain were increasingly becoming the sick man of Europe throughout much of the latter half of the 20th century and its growing financial difficulties meant it simply could not stop the growing tide of the independence and nationalist movements.

[Robert]

Well I always put IF when I talk about holocaust. See most European countries have laws preventing any studies into holocaust (it is a criminal offence to do so) and anything which is guarded so closely by those who champion freedom of speech, makes me think that something surely is amiss.

Study the Holocaust as much as you like.

Just don't try to claim that it didn't happen. Then you will be jailed in many countries.

[LethalSami]

Zionists have hijacked Western countries............such a shame......

i can neither confirm nor deny anything about Holocaust...........but one thing i can confirm is there is a genocide of muslims currently going on in Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya

[Robert]

Indeed,Britain was bankrupt after the Second World War,and was financially tied to American loans.
Rationing continued all the way until 1954. Unemployment was high.Britain could not afford Labour's expensive and wasteful welfare state. .

Err, yes we could. It is still here, as you may have noticed.

[Namak_Halaal]

Study the Holocaust as much as you like.

Just don't try to claim that it didn't happen. Then you will be jailed in many countries.

I think the point is why would one be jailed for denying it had happened.

[KFC_Zinger]

I think the point is why would one be jailed for denying it had happened.

For once i agree with Namak Halal.... If it has happened and somebody is denying it. then you have all the proofs to prove otherwise... but why should anybody be jailed for it :facepalm:

[Robert]

I think the point is why would one be jailed for denying it had happened.

Because the Germans and others are terrified that Nazism could come back, if apologists bury their heads in the sand and refuse to face the darkest chapter in Europepean history.

[Vegitto1]

Because the Germans and others are terrified that Nazism could come back, if apologists bury their heads in the sand and refuse to face the darkest chapter in Europepean history.

Lol, so they are afraid of Nazism but I guess terrorism is not such a big threat after all therefore everything possible is being done by the European countries to offend Muslims living there and around the world.

[Namak_Halaal]

Because the Germans and others are terrified that Nazism could come back, if apologists bury their heads in the sand and refuse to face the darkest chapter in Europepean history.

Ban Nazism, criminalise fascism is what will prevent the rise of another Nazi regime, but to question/revision history shouldn't be punishable by a custodial sentence.

[Robert]

Ban Nazism, criminalise fascism is what will prevent the rise of another Nazi regime, but to question/revision history shouldn't be punishable by a custodial sentence.

It's a question of practicality.

I think that the idea is that a few neoNazi idiots such as the BNP are tolerated because the security services can keep an eye on them. If they are banned they will go underground and be harder to track.

However, if someone with academic qualifications starts questioning the Holocaust then the neoNazis will rally round him and their numbers will start to grow. Better to imprison and discredit one academic than have to deal with a fascist revolution.

[Vegitto1]

It's a question of practicality.

I think that the idea is that a few neoNazi idiots such as the BNP are tolerated because the security services can keep an eye on them. If they are banned they will go underground and be harder to track.

However, if someone with academic qualifications starts questioning the Holocaust then the neoNazis will rally round him and their numbers will start to grow. Better to imprison and discredit one academic than have to deal with a fascist revolution.

What a load!

[Robert]

What a load!

Do you mean that my reasoning is a 'load', or that the policies of Germany and other nations are a 'load'?

[ballyho]

Ok am taking this thread briefly away from its current direction. But a question to the Pakistani PPers here. Is a little sensitive perhaps, but would love to hear more about it. Could someone please explain in a few sentences why generally speaking, Pakistanis don't think too much of Gandhi. As an Indian, here's what we've been taught (which is bound to be biased in favour of him). That he was one of the few leaders at the time who agreed to Partition and kind of supported Jinnah. As a kid, I had friends whose families were aligned with extreme Hindu organizations who actually didn't like him and blamed him for Partition and for supposedly "giving in" to Jinnah.

I've had many conversations as a kid with my granddad who lived in Bombay, pre-Independence. He was a total Gandhian so I got only the current opinion on Gandhi which is similar to that in my school history books. His opinion on Jinnah was slightly different though, and is one of Jinnah being an intellectual who was above petty politics. So to repeat my question, what is it about Gandhi that Pakistanis in general don't like. Honest replies would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Vegitto1]

Do you mean that my reasoning is a 'load', or that the policies of Germany and other nations are a 'load'?

Both.

According to your reasoning, nothing should be questioned then in case a certain group is offended and a hate campaign is started against them.

The Holocaust is just a genocide, nothing more and nothing less. How is it different from genocides in Bosnia, Kashmir, Palestine etc.

neoNazis are still at large in Germany, Russia and other countries in Europe, and racial hatred still takes lives in all countries.

To think that by preventing research you are safe-guarding against NeoNazis is laughable.

It is in fact the other way around. By giving special treatment to a certain group due to what happened to them, you are alienating the rest because at some point in history each group has had their own "holocaust" (a tragic event)

I as a Muslim hate the fact that on one hand the west tells us to be tolerant, allow freedom of speech etc. even if that means people say all kind of crap about our religion and draw caricature of our prophet.

and for the Jews it bends over backwards. "give them Israel because its their BIBLICAL home" Do not say anything anti-semitic.

Stand-up comedians are also prohibited from saying anything anti-semitic in France.

Why these double standards!

[Vegitto1]

Ok am taking this thread briefly away from its current direction. But a question to the Pakistani PPers here. Is a little sensitive perhaps, but would love to hear more about it. Could someone please explain in a few sentences why generally speaking, Pakistanis don't think too much of Gandhi. As an Indian, here's what we've been taught (which is bound to be biased in favour of him). That he was one of the few leaders at the time who agreed to Partition and kind of supported Jinnah. As a kid, I had friends whose families were aligned with extreme Hindu organizations who actually didn't like him and blamed him for Partition and for supposedly "giving in" to Jinnah.

I've had many conversations as a kid with my granddad who lived in Bombay, pre-Independence. He was a total Gandhian so I got only the current opinion on Gandhi which is similar to that in my school history books. His opinion on Jinnah was slightly different though, and is one of Jinnah being an intellectual who was above petty politics. So to repeat my question, what is it about Gandhi that Pakistanis in general don't like. Honest replies would be appreciated. Thanks.

1. Gandhi was not in favour of Partition.

2. Jinnah and the Muslim Leauge put pressure to an extent that Congress had to give in or the communal violence would have continued.

3. Gandhi wanted dominion status not even complete independence. Only after freedom fighthers like Bhagat Singh started demanded complete Independence that Gandhi was forced to adopt that stance.

4. He was a weak man. A nation is defined by its leader. Now the West bigs up Gandhi only so that whenever they do wrong against India they can be sure of no strong retaliation only strong condemnation, which frankly means Jack!

[ballyho]

fair enough, especially point 4. thanks for replying.

[AZ]

who acted as hitler?

Neha Dhupia.

[Markhor]

Err, yes we could. It is still here, as you may have noticed.The welfare state was expensive and held the economy back.

And look at it now,bloated,high reliance on public sector especially in the North. The public sector is wasteful and inefficient.

Blair put £90bn into the NHS and there were still closure of hospitals.Also why did Labour retain Thatcherite economic policies ? All those cries over 18 years of 'Fatcha' but yet thought of retaining her policies.

Britain owed £3bn to the US after the war.And if the Welfare system really helped,why was rationing still in place ? And a housing shortage.

[Robert]

Both.

According to your reasoning, nothing should be questioned then in case a certain group is offended and a hate campaign is started against them.


In which country? Which groups? Please be specific.


The Holocaust is just a genocide, nothing more and nothing less. How is it different from genocides in Bosnia, Kashmir, Palestine etc.


Because the historical veracity of the genocides you mention is not in question, AFAIK.



To think that by preventing research you are safe-guarding against NeoNazis is laughable.


Nobody prevents research into the Holocaust. Some countries prevent Holocaust Denial, which is a false conclusion to research.


It is in fact the other way around. By giving special treatment to a certain group due to what happened to them, you are alienating the rest because at some point in history each group has had their own "holocaust" (a tragic event)


Did the Holocaust victimised only Jews, or other people too, do you think?


I as a Muslim hate the fact that on one hand the west tells us to be tolerant, allow freedom of speech etc. even if that means people say all kind of crap about our religion and draw caricature of our prophet.


What people? A Dutch newspaper is not the same as "the West". Please be specific.


and for the Jews it bends over backwards. "give them Israel because its their BIBLICAL home" Do not say anything anti-semitic.

Why these double standards!

The West is not one homogenous unit, you know. What double standard, specifically? In what country?

Here in the UK, all races and religions including Islam are protected by legislation.

[Namak_Halaal]

Nobody prevents research into the Holocaust. Some countries prevent Holocaust Denial, which is a false conclusion to research.



Do you think Flat Earth believers should be imprisoned too? After all they are denying the fact the Earth is round, a false conclusion at every level of research.

[Robert]

Do you think Flat Earth believers should be imprisoned too? After all they are denying the fact the Earth is round, a false conclusion at every level of research.

Straw man argument. Come on Namak, you're miles better than this! At least Vegitto1 is keeping his generalisations withing the field of religion!

[UmarAkmals-fan]

Gandhi = overrated

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[Cricketismylife]

neha dhupia.

rofl.