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frenchcut
2nd August 2011, 20:09
Obviously a pet peeve of this forum and cricket fans in general is the length of the IPL. 74 games is maddeningly long (ideally it should be 25-30 games in 3 weeks with 5-6 games per team).

However, one side effect that would result in players being paid less, which I am not a fan of. It is well known that only concentrating on Tests cannot compare salary wise - and I am talking mainly about those that devote their lives to the great game without making it to the 11 of their country. Earning good money through cricket should not be restricted to 50-100 players in the world.

We all wish test cricket was more relevant, but let's face it, it's a luxury that cannot be indulged barring marquee tours. However, it can and will survive.

Which is why I believe we should try making 50 over games more relevant. If the format were more popular, players wages would increase, perhaps not in the millions like T20 right now, but enough to make good cricketers make a firm decision to aim for a national spot rather than a franchise one. And while it might not teach the same skills that regular 5 Test series would, it would certainly do a more adequate job than T20s.

We must do away with bilateral ODI series with no context, especially boring 7 match ones that mean nothing right before a more memorable tournament. I grew up watching cricket in the 90s and was drawn to test cricket through the 50 over game. Some of the best series I saw and still remember were tri-nation ones, like Aus-SA-NZ, Ind-SL-Pak, Ind-Aus-Zim (when Zim were good and SL were a new exciting force). Still can't forget the Ind-Aus-SA Titan Cup 96! In fact, one of my favourite series was a low-key 4 nation tournament in tough batting conditions (Ind-Eng-WI and one more). Tendulkar captained, batted singlehandedly and India got battered, but the series was good.

We should have more 4 or, minimum 3, nation tournaments. It's not that hard. Suppose Pakistan tours Australia during the Aussie summer. Maybe SA will tour right after. The ODI series can be played at the end of the Pak tour and the beginning of the SA one. NZ can hop down and make up the numbers, and if there is one thing NZ is good at contributing towards, it is low scoring ODI games - they are very good at defending sub 250 scores.

Can be 3 games each or 6 games. Final can be one off or best of 3. The same should be conducted around other good bilateral tours. That can be figured out later, but the tournament itself should be implemented.

SOSami
2nd August 2011, 20:39
Tri-nation ODIs were brilliant. Some of them almost felt like a mini Champtions Trophy. I remember the England-Pakistan-Australia series in around 2000.

It's a pity the schedules are such that teams leave quickly after a series, not allowing for the overlapping of tours.

ODI series were also useful match practice before a test series.

kasim7864
2nd August 2011, 20:49
A tri-nation ODI series can easily be organised in England where there is a structure to who tours each year.

Normally 2 teams tour with a weaker team touring first and then a better team touring at the end of the summer with it being the 'marquee' event.

This summer a tri-nation series could have been organised between India, England and Sri Lanka and could have taken place after the Eng-Sri test series and before the Eng-Ind test series.

This would also go with SOSami's point that ODI series were also useful match practice before a test series. In the case above it would have given India practise and would have left the test series, the main event, till last.

rajan70
2nd August 2011, 21:00
India - Pak - Australia Tri-Series during 99/2000 was a good one as well. India hardly won any matches in that tourney against superior oppositions, what a great team Pakistan used to be in those days. Such series should be back sooner.

frenchcut
2nd August 2011, 21:01
ODI series were also useful match practice before a test series.



This would also go with SOSami's point that ODI series were also useful match practice before a test series. In the case above it would have given India practise and would have left the test series, the main event, till last.

I didn't even consider it from that angle, but it's an excellent point. Certainly might've reduced the margin of defeat for my team from nightmarish drubbing to comfortable win.

Aside: Come on Sehwag!

frenchcut
2nd August 2011, 21:02
India - Pak - Australia Tri-Series during 99/2000 was a good one as well. India hardly won any matches in that tourney against superior oppositions, what a great team Pakistan used to be in those days. Such series should be back sooner.

Too good. And the SA ones? I used to in my pants everytime I saw Klusener's 5 foot wide stance.

rajan70
2nd August 2011, 21:21
Indeed . Indian team got screwed by Sa badly in every match of the Titan Cup except the final where India defended a small. Do you remember another spectacular Tri Series between India-Sa-Zim in Sa? Even a side like Zimbabwe used to give India a hard fight in those days , one match that stands out was a tied one Robin Singh - Venky at crease and Brandes bowling. What wonderful days of cricket were they. Damn this IPL era

frenchcut
2nd August 2011, 22:42
Indeed . Indian team got screwed by Sa badly in every match of the Titan Cup except the final where India defended a small. Do you remember another spectacular Tri Series between India-Sa-Zim in Sa? Even a side like Zimbabwe used to give India a hard fight in those days , one match that stands out was a tied one Robin Singh - Venky at crease and Brandes bowling. What wonderful days of cricket were they. Damn this IPL era

Brilliant game. They had solid players. Heath Streak. Campbell. The Flower brothers. Olonga (ok, but jacked India in that one over in '99WC). Paul Strang (I always rated him, maybe I was young then but I feel he would've been one of the top 3 spinners had he played now). Neil Johnson.

Speaking of Robin Singh. If you look at his career figures they are unremarkable, but he was one cricketer who got into the side late (30ish?) and had a nice 100+ odi run in the side. I think Indians in general have some fond memories of him because he performed in some memorable games while he was around and was a busy WI-style cricketer. e.g. off the top of my head, aside from the Zim series you mentioned, 83 coming in at one-down as a gamble in one of the top five ODI's I have seen - the 315 Dhaka chase v Pakistan. Anwar and Ijaz (was it Ijaz?) toyed with our bowling as usual smacking hundreds and setting up a world record chase, and Ganguly laced 124 in his second ODI hundred.

ICC what is wrong with you, bring those series back and (and please make sure the ftp has no Ind-SL clashes for the next 6 years).

AZ
2nd August 2011, 23:40
Love tri-series tournaments, grew up going to Sharjah stadium...awesome contests! :wasim :anwar

*sallu*
2nd August 2011, 23:41
Srjh tri-series were amazing, frankly I find these 5 match series extremely boring.

Ideal series for me is 3-3-3 (Tests, ODIs and T20s) or even better than that is how Australia and England conjoined 2 touring sides ODI series into a tri-series.

sully3
3rd August 2011, 00:08
My 1st memories of cricket are going to quiet a few world cup matches 1996, i was only 6 years old but Sharjah is where i have my greatest memories from, watching it on TV and we were quiet good then.

Would like another Tri-series

Zaz
3rd August 2011, 00:19
Yes loved the tri series Pakistan played some fantastic odi games all over the world back in the days

Cricfan4eva
3rd August 2011, 03:37
Tri-nation ODIs were brilliant. Some of them almost felt like a mini Champtions Trophy. I remember the England-Pakistan-Australia series in around 2000.

It's a pity the schedules are such that teams leave quickly after a series, not allowing for the overlapping of tours.

ODI series were also useful match practice before a test series.

Not entirely true for all nations. Pakistan right now doesn't get a lot of cricket, NZ isn't playing either and SA has had a long break. These 3 could have easily arranged a series.

Fawad2010
3rd August 2011, 03:55
Not entirely true for all nations. Pakistan right now doesn't get a lot of cricket, NZ isn't playing either and SA has had a long break. These 3 could have easily arranged a series.

Its a bit too late now, that Pakistani team's pre-tour camp is starting soon, but it could have easily been arranged if the boards got together. Obviously fans would have enjoyed it.


Here is the Future Tours Program for teams in between the months of March and November 2011, no series planned for NZ or SA between the WC till late October.

England - Australia - India - New Zealand - Pakistan - South Africa - Sri Lanka

Justcrazy
3rd August 2011, 05:43
Tri series should be played. It would be interesting and better than the meaningless ODI series being played these days........, these series are just wastage of time, more so when a team wins the first three games of a five match series.