India threatened to walk out of warm-up game in Canberra

[W63L35]

http://in.news.yahoo.com/india-considered-walking-warm-game-canberra-100953554.html


India considered walking out of warm-up game in Canberra


Canberra, Dec 19 (IANS) The Indian cricket team considered walking out Monday from their rain-affected second warm-up match here at the Manuka Oval.

The match, however, started late due to rain and India decided to bat after winning the toss. India are desperate for key players to get some much needed match practice under their belts ahead of Melbourne, particularly experienced fast bowler Zaheer Khan who is making his return from an ankle injury.

The Age reported that the Indian team panicked as rain threatened to spoil their final preparations before the four-Test series against Australia starting on Boxing Day at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG).

The daily reported that Manuka Oval head curator Brad Van Dam was told by an Indian team official that coach Duncan Fletcher was seriously contemplating getting his team on the first plane out of Canberra and abandoning their scheduled three-day game against a Chairman's XI side.

Only after an urgent meeting with Van Dam, Fletcher was convinced that the three-day practice game won't be washed out by rain.

Van Dam said the situation had calmed by the time he talked with Fletcher, and the Indian coach was happy to trust the curator's judgement that rain would likely clear for Tuesday and Wednesday.

'A few people were just in panic stations ... obviously there was talk in the hotel or something. They looked at the wrong forecast and put one and one together and got three. (Fletcher) was good about it, he goes 'what's the weather? I said, 'weather is going to die down, the rain's going to clear and we'll get on,' Van Dam was quoted as saying by The Age.

'Then he wanted to know what time we'd get on (with play delayed from the scheduled 11 a.m. AEDT start). I said, I don't know we'll have to check with the umpires and we all made the call for 1.40 p.m. (and that's when we got on). He was fine,' he said.

The Chairman's XI had in their ranks incumbent Test players David Warner, Usman Khawaja and Phil Hughes, as well as Boxing Day aspirants Ed Cowan and Doug Bollinger.

Walk out.... first flight out.... we have heard that before.... haven't we? :maanki-gate.

ACB caved in once to the threat, now this threat is going to show up every time even if a spectator sneezes out loud.

Talk about complaining, whining, throwing toys out of the pram.... and throwing tantrum like two year old babies. :29:

[Looney]

I can see the shaking legs already :afridi

[saeed-sohail]

Threat of walk out because of rain???

[W63L35]

Threat of walk out because of rain???

No...because of Indian team listening to wrong forecast! :)))

[cricketworm]

Eh? I don't know who is crying here? An OP or Indian team?

[NO 1 AFRIDI FAN]

Seriously? :facepalm:

[cricketworm]

LOL.

your tears were so desperate that you even changed title from 'considered' to 'threatened'.

[KingKhanWC]

What's wrong with the Indian team. If it rains it rains, best to get on with it. Last time this happened in England Dhoni wasn't allowed indoors because he didn't take his shoes(spiked) off. lol

[W63L35]

LOL.

your tears were so desperate that you even changed title from 'considered' to 'threatened'.

You need a hanky or pacifier?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/series-tournaments/india-in-australia/top-stories/India-threatened-to-walk-out-of-warm-up-match/articleshow/11167988.cms

[cricketworm]

Does it say threatened here? Have you posted this link in your source?

http://in.news.yahoo.com/india-considered-walking-warm-game-canberra-100953554.html

oh sorry cranky grandpa ... no need to decorate your post. I don't have myopia.

[leggie786]

Does it say threatened here? Have you posted this link in your source?

http://in.news.yahoo.com/india-considered-walking-warm-game-canberra-100953554.html

oh sorry cranky grandpa ... no need to decorate your post. I don't have myopia.

If i were you, i would shut up honestly!!
no point of aruguing "threatened" vs "considered" case...it clearly says threatened in the times of india article....
honestly you are whining as well

[W63L35]

Does it say threatened here? Have you posted this link in your source?

http://in.news.yahoo.com/india-considered-walking-warm-game-canberra-100953554.html


Oooo quit whining.... here you go. Now the title matches the post.
Happy now?

India threatened to walk out of warm-up match
PTI | Dec 19, 2011, 04.18PM IST
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CANBERRA: The Indian cricket team on Monday considered walking out of the three-day warm-up match here even before a ball had been bowled after rain threatened to mar their preparation for the four-match Test series against Australia, starting December 26.

The India camp, especially coach Duncan Fletcher, pressed the panic button after wet outfield delayed the start of the practice match against Cricket Australia Chairman's XI until after lunch.

It needed an assurance from Manuka Oval head curator Brad Van Dam to calm down Fletcher who was contemplating heading straight to Melbourne along with the team.

"(Fletcher) was good about it, he goes 'what's the weather?',"

"I said, 'weather is going to die down, the rain's going to clear and we'll get on'. Then he wanted to know what time we'd get on (with play delayed from the scheduled 11am start).

"I said, I don't know we'll have to check with the umpires and we all made the call for 1.40pm (and that's when we got on). He was fine," Van Dam told 'foxsports.com'.

Van Dam, who had spoken to liaison officials for the Indian team, had earlier revealed that Fletcher was "seriously contemplating getting his team on the first plane out of Canberra and abandoning their three-day game here" fearing that rain was predicted for most of the week.

The situation calmed down only after Van dam had a word with Fletcher.

It is believed that if the issue had not died down, it wouldn't have pleased Cricket Australia. Chairman's XI have incumbent players David Warner, Usman Khawaja and Phil Hughes, as well as Baggy Green aspirants Ed Cowan and Doug Bollinger.

"A few people were just in panic stations ... obviously there was talk in the hotel or something.

"They looked at the wrong forecast and put one and one together and got three," said Van Dam.

Finally when play did get underway, Virender Sehwag fell early as India progressed to 51/1 at tea.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/series-tournaments/india-in-australia/top-stories/India-threatened-to-walk-out-of-warm-up-match/articleshow/11167988.cms?prtpage=1




oh sorry cranky grandpa ... no need to decorate your post. I don't have myopia.

:)) I wonder who is getting cranky here! :))

[KingKhanWC]

Forget the semantics ,there is a real issue to be had here imo. The Indian team is worried and under pressure to perform against the Aussies after their heavy defeat to England this summer. India need to relax a bit and try to get focused because Aussies will come out hard from ball one!

[Random Aussie]

What is Urdu for "Indians behaving like spoilt babies"?
:waqar

[Farhan!]

^ Not sure. Just say the usual, 'Indians phir ro rahe hain'!

[cricmylife]

Looking forward to a great contest between great bowling vs. great batting!

[w8in_4_0402]

apun log dargey kia? loool

[adit_sh]

good to c TOI has lots of readers. Content of the "threaten" titled article does not have threaten word, may be my English is not good enough to interpret that way.

[Romali_rotti]

Jean Claude VAN DAM,, I like the name B)

[cricketworm]

http://cricket.expressindia.com/news/When-it-rains-in-Canberra--panic-pours/889911/

"Canberra: At around a quarter to three on Monday afternoon, the groundstaff at the Manuka Oval rushed to the middle to protect the square from the heavy drizzle that was beginning to moisten it. As the light faded, word went around that the Indian team were contemplating calling off the second warm-up game and heading directly to Melbourne.
An Australian agency, it turned out, had reported that officials from the Indian team had woken up to see dark grey skies and consulted head curator Brad Van Dam, worried that rain would wash out the entire game and their remaining practice time ahead of the Boxing Day Test. Van Dam, the report said, had calmed the situation down.

“A few people were just in panic stations... obviously there was talk in the hotel or something,” Van Dam was quoted as saying. “They looked at the wrong forecast and put one and one together and got three.”

Later, an ACT Cricket official said that a team official had merely looked at the skies and made some throwaway comment to Van Dam, along the lines of “we might as well head to Melbourne straightaway.”

After the drizzle had let off, the light situation delayed the resumption of play for around an hour longer. The murky settings were still fit for play for a boisterous group of children, of assorted ages and ethnicities — European, Asian, Indian, a sign of Australia’s growing multiculturalism — playing near the stadium gate."

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You can read the story, with your poisonous mind the way you want!

Just a reminder, don't dig hate hole so deep that you can't come out.

[adit_sh]

most of the Indian newspapers are reporting that headline to catch attention of readers.........so you cant blame anyone for pointing it out

[D]

So India was going to walk out because it was going to rain?

But the groundsman said that it won't rain so India stayed to play?

Really, what's God doing in all of this? Oh.. I forgot, #BleddyBCCI

[attock]

Indian cricket :)))

[ace58]

Van Dam, who had spoken to liaison officials for the Indian team, had earlier revealed that Fletcher was "seriously contemplating getting his team on the first plane out of Canberra and abandoning their three-day game here" fearing that rain was predicted for most of the week.

Seems like a non story. team was considering leaving to train rather then waste time on a washed out warm up match based on faulty data. The title is clearly trying to draw parallels with the Sydney fiasco that do not exist.

[W63L35]

Seems like a non story. team was considering leaving to train rather then waste time on a washed out warm up match based on faulty data. The title is clearly trying to draw parallels with the Sydney fiasco that do not exist.

Test cricket started in 1877..... 100s (if not thousands) of side/warm-up matches must have be cancelled due to rain ...specially in England .... can you give us one example where a touring team moved to another city to "train" just because a tour match got cancelled due to rain?

[Ashraful_Rox]

^ After reading that, seriously Indians are going way overboard.

[jusarrived]

op,you have some serious issues .

still dont understand , Whats news about this ?

[W63L35]

op,you have some serious issues .

That is nothing..... you should check out my 9166 posts at IndPassion.net.


still dont understand , Whats news about this ?

Whining here is not going to help anything....may be you should write to one of these News Outlets.
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdSMQF_BOLkcA0GVXNyoA?p=india%20thr eatend%20walk%20out%20canberra&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701

[Saqs]

What is Urdu for "Indians behaving like spoilt babies"?
:waqar

(roughly) "Indians ronay-kattay hain."

[praveen]

Guess the OP and a couple of others misunderstand the situation. The team, as such , is pretty non-fussy, and its the media that would like to get attention from a billion people by throwing up these inflated garbage. The players maintain a disciplined silence to these non issues but the gossip mongers, haters,frenzy fanatics etc.. feed on these articles, encouraging the authors to write more such trash.

[Sameer20]

LOL.

your tears were so desperate that you even changed title from 'considered' to 'threatened'.

Dude like i've mentioned in some other thread before

"Why let facts get in the way of a good rant"

:)) :))

[W63L35]

Guess the OP and a couple of others misunderstand the situation. The team, as such , is pretty non-fussy, and its the media that would like to get attention from a billion people by throwing up these inflated garbage. The players maintain a disciplined silence to these non issues but the gossip mongers, haters,frenzy fanatics etc.. feed on these articles, encouraging the authors to write more such trash.

You guys understand it perfectly that is why you and a couple of others are shooting the messenger....as usual! ;-)

[Sameer20]

You need a hanky or pacifier?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/series-tournaments/india-in-australia/top-stories/India-threatened-to-walk-out-of-warm-up-match/articleshow/11167988.cms

According to you Indian Media is crap......
but now the same indian media is a paragon of virtue, n truthfulness

u r one epic ...... (u can fill that blank)

:)) :))

[Sameer20]

Fufi mian ko akaila chorr do, inn ki neendain urr jayaay ghi agar Indian team ki izzatt ka apmaan ho gaya:yk

Seriously, can any fans get more deluded/defensive/Fuficky than this?

At least their team (India) is involved here..... Its India V/s Australia
Your team is not even concerned , y r u poking ur nose in this...
n coming back to this matter.... the coach felt India wont be able to get any practice in Canberra coz of the weather, so better move to Melbourne n get some practice there....

i think thats too much sense for people like W63L n urself to understand

[praveen]

You guys understand it perfectly that is why you and a couple of others are shooting the messenger....as usual! ;-)

Sad, you chose not to get my point instead..

[W63L35]

According to you Indian Media is crap......
but now the same indian media is a paragon of virtue, n truthfulness



http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/panicked-india-officials-threaten-to-abandon-rain-marred-tour-match-against-chairmans-xi-in-canberra/story-e6frf3g3-1226226049510

Happy now?

Whiners like you are so hard to please....! :29:


u r one epic I.F.

:)) :))

Filled..... now go figure ...what it means! ;-)
That's your homework.

[W63L35]

Sad, you chose not to get my point instead..

Really....even worse than idiots who are calling me names just for posting this article?

[praveen]

Really....even worse than idiots who are calling me names just for posting this article?

Nope. They are in a different level. I responded to such OPs in general. Not just this one. Not just your OP's.

[ahamedirshad123]

The Indians were concerned by the forecast of rain threatening their final preparations ahead of the four-Test series against Australia, starting on Boxing Day at the MCG.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/tourists-weather-walkout-averted/story-e6frg7rx-1226226184452

[Statsman]

Really....even worse than idiots who are calling me names just for posting this article?

Here here,

the innocent little kid, WL, that is..just posted a harmless article and see the Indians attacking the poor lil kid...


Most of the posters said all that coz of your innocent little comments out there in the OP:

Walk out.... first flight out.... we have heard that before.... haven't we? :maanki-gate.

ACB caved in once to the threat, now this threat is going to show up every time even if a spectator sneezes out loud.

Talk about complaining, whining, throwing toys out of the pram.... and throwing tantrum like two year old babies.

[ahamedirshad123]

India bemused at reports of walk-out from practice match

Team India is bemused and laughing their guts out at the suggestion in Australian media that they toyed with the idea of boycotting the ongoing three-day warm-up game against Cricket Australia Chairman’s XI because of rain.

“The story is completely baseless. There is no truth in it. Rain is part of cricket. You don’t leave a venue only because it’s raining,” said Indian team’s media manager G S Walia today.

It rained heavily on the night prior to the start of the three-day game between the tourists and Cricket Australia Chairman’s XI, forcing the game to begin only after lunch yesterday.

The Australian media has gone to town stating that India were contemplating heading for Melbourne for better practice sessions, leading up to the first Test starting there on 26th December.

The reports said that a member of the support staff, travelling with the Indian team, had actually enquired with the groundsman at the Manuka Oval about the effect persistent rain would have on the three-day match.

The groundsman has also been quoted as saying that a “mysterious” member of the travelling Indians suggested they might move to Melbourne for practice.

“I don’t know who is this member of the Indian squad they are referring to. There is none amongst us who has or could have made this suggestion,” said Walia.

The team, on its part, is treating the episode as a “comic relief” and joking about the identity of this “mysterious” person who could have made the suggestion.

While stirring up the matter, the Australian media has drawn parallel with the “monkeygate” episode of the Sydney Test of the previous tour four years ago and mentioned about the high-handed manner in which Indian Cricket Board operates in world arena.

:)))


http://www.firstpost.com/sports/india-bemused-at-reports-of-walk-out-from-practice-match-160632.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=%23BattleboardWithVishy&utm_source=twitterfeed

[Saurav]

Aus media at it again

[Ambi]

Aus media at it again

australian media taking a leaf out of india media way of exaggerating things.it may be due to the hitting from vast amount of indians on their website

[Saurav]

australian media taking a leaf out of india media way of exaggerating things.it may be due to the hitting from vast amount of indians on their website

Indian media doesnt concoct stories about oppositions.Aus media works with the team in putting pressure on the opposition

[PakPosheeda]

Sounds like an attention seeking headline on media's part over nothing.

[ftbno1]

This is simply known as professionalism to prepare even if it is true(which is not).Something which OP's brain is to thick to comprehend.Whats wrong in practicing elsewhere when their was chance of rain in canberra.Atleast they did not go to parties organized by shady characters(mazhar) like your boys do on the tour.

[PakPosheeda]

This is simply known as professionalism to prepare.Something which OP's brain is to thick to comprehend.Whats wrong in practicing elsewhere when their was chance of rain in canberra.Atleast they did not go to parties organized by shady characters(mazhar) like your boys do on the tour.
They also got humiliated in every format.

Maybe you can learn a thing or two from us about playing in England, if you ever pull you head out of Sachin's back.

[PerfectionPersonified]

it was mostly cloudy today - on and off rain - may be india wanted to have flat batting track which was not the case

[Amjid Javed]

India brown panting it already! :))) no shock there then!

[ecstatic_freak]

Lets see if Aussies would do what NZ did for this accomplished Indian batting.

[ahamedirshad123]

it was mostly cloudy today - on and off rain - may be india wanted to have flat batting track which was not the case

"I've been lucky they've been played on two really good batting tracks. Allan Border field and Manuka Oval, you couldn't pick two better places to bat against touring attacks," Ed Cowan said.

[Random Aussie]

Indian media doesnt concoct stories about oppositions.Aus media works with the team in putting pressure on the opposition

:))) :)))

Indian media doesnt concoct stories about opposition?

Hey boys we got a live one here :D

[PerfectionPersonified]

"I've been lucky they've been played on two really good batting tracks. Allan Border field and Manuka Oval, you couldn't pick two better places to bat against touring attacks," Ed Cowan said.

Manuka Oval is definitely a batting track but did you bother to read my initial post it was ON and OFF RAIN and Cloudy so bit of swing in the AIR

[PerfectionPersonified]

^ Plus MANUKA is good batting track but NOT PARADISE

[Itachi]

:))) :)))

Indian media doesnt concoct stories about opposition?

Hey boys we got a live one here :D

we have a live one about australian media right here. ;-).... So our claim is hence proved.

Care to prove your claim my dear friend?;-)

[ecstatic_freak]

Indian media is the worse when it comes to fabricating stories, anyone remembers what they said bout Kaala pathar & Pakistan?

[James]

Wouldn't happen if they weren't so obsessed with arranging pointless ODI series and playing silly T20 tournaments to divert attention from their test cricket dethroning. A change in priorities would stop all this pinning hope on a few nets and one warm-up game, and give them extra time to plan, prepare and acclimatise on each tour. Who'd dare to suggest this might improve their away results in the test arena? Anyone who didn't follow cricket meticulously wouldn't even know the Indian team were in Australia, and they're playing a test match in less than a week. Madness.

[adit_sh]

Wouldn't happen if they weren't so obsessed with arranging pointless ODI series and playing silly T20 tournaments to divert attention from their test cricket dethroning. A change in priorities would stop all this pinning hope on a few nets and one warm-up game, and give them extra time to plan, prepare and acclimatise on each tour. Who'd dare to suggest this might improve their away results in the test arena? Anyone who didn't follow cricket meticulously wouldn't even know the Indian team were in Australia, and they're playing a test match in less than a week. Madness.

+1

I did not know there was a practise match until I saw this thread and manged to get score from cricindia.

Cricket punters follows just about every match being played whippy

The real test is Boxing day ( juicy, green top MCG ) awaits India

[zzebie]

I guess, team India,might have expressed doubts over playing in that field, because of the weather or whatever. And our dear Times of India as usual got its own masala on it.

[Monsee]

At least their team (India) is involved here..... Its India V/s Australia
Your team is not even concerned , y r u poking ur nose in this...
n coming back to this matter.... the coach felt India wont be able to get any practice in Canberra coz of the weather, so better move to Melbourne n get some practice there....

i think thats too much sense for people like W63L n urself to understand




Remember PakPassion.Net and hence why I am here...oh the irony that now you ask such silly questions

[velu]

At least their team (India) is involved here..... Its India V/s Australia
Your team is not even concerned , y r u poking ur nose in this...
n coming back to this matter.... the coach felt India wont be able to get any practice in Canberra coz of the weather, so better move to Melbourne n get some practice there....

i think thats too much sense for people like W63L n urself to understand

:facepalm:

self-pawnage.
you never win any argument if you post like this. :|

you have to take training from Romali_Rotti :)

[Cricfan4eva]

Just showing whose daddy. Aussies need to be reminded that their time is over and India are the champs now ;-)

[DeadlyVenom]

Champs of what? We are talking about test match cricket here.

[Cricfan4eva]

Well we were no.1 team not to long ago and no.2 now. So yeah we sure are better than the rest.

Don't bother bringing up the England series scoreline.

[IamIndian]

I wish they would just walk out of cricket entirely.

Then ICC will go bankrupt ...

[skyhigh]

We are not talking test match cricket here. We are talking about an insignificant match which is not even a 1st class game. Some people hunt for negative publicity and revel in it.

[mastermind_quad]

Lolz ye to mast hai pehle ACB management hamari dhamkiyon ke aage jhuk gaya ab Aussiess weather bhi ....

Aussies weather allowed this warm-up to happen after India threatened to walk out of warm-up game in Canberra ...... ;-)



Cooooooool everybody...just change the perspective ....:D

:113: :109: :113:

[W63L35]

^^^
Then why didn't you guys make any threats to England team this summer? ;-)

[Pure Evil]

LOL!! :)))

Never thought this thread wud reach 2 pages :)))

[W63L35]

LOL!! :)))

Never thought this thread wud reach 2 pages :)))

Combination of paranoia and inferiority complexes will make a lot of people defend somethings that do not even remotely need to be defended! ;-)

[zubair007]

Combination of paranoia and inferiority complexes will make a lot of people defend somethings that do not even remotely need to be defended! ;-)

Check your opening post. If something is attacked, it will be defended.

[James]

India were too busy loafing around the West Indies playing ODIs to prepare for the England tour, and they got blown away. 4-0 in tests, 3-0 in ODIs and they couldn't even win the T20 game.

India didn't play a single warm-up game at the start of their tour of South Africa, and predictably lost the first test by an innings. They therefore missed a great chance to finally win a test series in South Africa, as India had the better of the other two games.

The writing is on the wall - India's schedule is overloaded with meaningless one-day games, and they do not prepare enough for overseas meets as a result.

[zzebie]

Combination of paranoia and inferiority complexes will make a lot of people defend somethings that do not even remotely need to be defended! ;-)
The combination that makes people attack meaningless things, is the same that makes people defend such things.

[W63L35]

The writing is on the wall - India's schedule is overloaded with meaningless one-day games, and they do not prepare enough for overseas meets as a result.

Not to mention IPL and Chump league!

[cricketindiafan]

India were too busy loafing around the West Indies playing ODIs to prepare for the England tour, and they got blown away. 4-0 in tests, 3-0 in ODIs and they couldn't even win the T20 game.

India didn't play a single warm-up game at the start of their tour of South Africa, and predictably lost the first test by an innings. They therefore missed a great chance to finally win a test series in South Africa, as India had the better of the other two games.

The writing is on the wall - India's schedule is overloaded with meaningless one-day games, and they do not prepare enough for overseas meets as a result.

Talking of preparation, a certain team played 3 practice one dayers before a certain ODI series, reached India 10 days in advance and went back after losing 5-0, tail between the legs after loud claims of dominating the world game.

England played 2-3 practice matches in WI in 2009, who won the series? Similarly, a ODI series before the test series in SA and 2-3 warm up matches didn't exactly help England win in SA either. So you see warm up matches help, but only to a certain extent.

BTW if warm up matches alone meant doing better, we should have done better in tests 3 and 4 on the Eng tour, we in fact got worse after playing another warm up tie post the first 2 tests where at least we had our moments. struggled.

[velu]

Talking of preparation, a certain team played 3 practice one dayers before a certain ODI series, reached India 10 days in advance and went back after losing 5-0, tail between the legs after loud claims of dominating the world game.

England played 2-3 practice matches in WI in 2009, who won the series? Similarly, a ODI series before the test series in SA and 2-3 warm up matches didn't exactly help England win in SA either. So you see warm up matches help, but only to a certain extent.

BTW if warm up matches alone meant doing better, we should have done better in tests 3 and 4 on the Eng tour, we in fact got worse after playing another warm up tie post the first 2 tests where at least we had our moments. struggled.

and they will claim that they dont care about JAMODIS :91::91:

[Random Aussie]

we have a live one about australian media right here. ;-).... So our claim is hence proved.

Care to prove your claim my dear friend?;-)

If you seriously want to argue that Indian media dont make things up I am not going to argue with you, but i do have some land for sale, wanna buy it? :D

Actual event probably went, Fletcher goes to see curator and says are we going to play today? We need some practice.

Media turns that into the story...

[James]

Talking of preparation, a certain team played 3 practice one dayers before a certain ODI series, reached India 10 days in advance and went back after losing 5-0, tail between the legs after loud claims of dominating the world game.

England played 2-3 practice matches in WI in 2009, who won the series? Similarly, a ODI series before the test series in SA and 2-3 warm up matches didn't exactly help England win in SA either. So you see warm up matches help, but only to a certain extent.

BTW if warm up matches alone meant doing better, we should have done better in tests 3 and 4 on the Eng tour, we in fact got worse after playing another warm up tie post the first 2 tests where at least we had our moments. struggled.

yay ODIs. the true form of the game that dominates the history books and scholars of the game remember and judge players on. er lol not. or the half-baked form of the game that Indian fans always cite to comfort themselves, as their legendarily weak bowlers don't even need to take wickets to win? more probably yes.

Try three first-class games before even thinking of playing Australia in a test match on their home turf, and England walking out 3-1 winners of the test series. When India have won a test series in Aussie or SA ever, we will have another discussion...

[kerala porotta]

[QUOTE=Whippy;4439975]yay ODIs. the true form of the game that dominates the history books and scholars of the game remember and judge players on. er lol not. or the half-baked form of the game that Indian fans always cite to comfort themselves, as their legendarily weak bowlers don't even need to take wickets to win? more probably yes.


It is only you people who don't value ODI(s). Scholars by which you mean the gentleman's at MCC. If your team sucks at odi it is very convenient to term it as half baked etc etc. what is the excuse that you people suck at ODIs.are your openers waiting to loose the shine of the new ball before they start attacking.

[adit_sh]

this was a mass attack on WL

[kerala porotta]

Well what do you expect this is PakPassion and most off them are Pakistanis. They get a HIGH OFF on blaming Indians for everything.

[cricketindiafan]

yay ODIs. the true form of the game that dominates the history books and scholars of the game remember and judge players on. er lol not. or the half-baked form of the game that Indian fans always cite to comfort themselves, as their legendarily weak bowlers don't even need to take wickets to win? more probably yes.

Try three first-class games before even thinking of playing Australia in a test match on their home turf, and England walking out 3-1 winners of the test series. When India have won a test series in Aussie or SA ever, we will have another discussion...

How many practice matches did England play in Australia in 2006 or in 2002 or in 1997 or in 1993? Or on their tour of Pakistan in 2005 or on their last tour of SL and India?

As for the ODIs, I know 5-0 has made them JAMODIs, not too long ago after 3-0, there were wild claims of how Eng were the new Australia, ready to dominate the world game, in all formats, for the next decade.

And as for India winning a series in SA and Aus before us having a discussion, hey why not try winning a world cup in a game that you guys invented before calling something as a JAMODI?

[James]

There were a lot less warm-up games on England tours before Andy Flower took the reigns. That's one of the reasons we had crappy tour results then, and our tour results have improved since. Moreover, tours in the distant past often used to be a lot more evenly-paced and competitive than some of the washouts we see now, as teams would travel long before the beginning of the first test, and spend weeks acclimatising and playing national sides. Warm up games are important - the history of test cricket strongly suggests it.

England actually had a pretty good record in World Cups up to 1992. 1996 however heralded the beginning of the ODI game as we know it now - pinch-hitting, fielding restrictions that demand wristy players, slow and low wickets, the requirement for dynamo fielders. This as we all know does not really suit the English way - fast-medium pace bowling, a shortage of quality spin bowlers, batsmen who play straight and cautiously, and lanky blokes faffing about in the outfield and gifting the opposition runs. Andy Flower is trying to pull these discrepancies back too - we have already won ODI series in WI, SA and Bang under him, and beaten OZ, Pak and India at home in ODIs, so improvements have been made, but the occasional shocking result shows how much work is still to be done.

The challenge for you is to argue why India's focus on one-day cricket is not part of the reason for their recent shortcomings in test cricket - because to be fair, the theory holds up pretty well if we examine the timeframe of their gradual fall from the number one spot.

[Pure Evil]

There were a lot less warm-up games on England tours before Andy Flower took the reigns. That's one of the reasons we had crappy tour results then, and our tour results have improved since. Moreover, tours in the distant past often used to be a lot more evenly-paced and competitive than some of the washouts we see now, as teams would travel long before the beginning of the first test, and spend weeks acclimatising and playing national sides. Warm up games are important - the history of test cricket strongly suggests it.

England actually had a pretty good record in World Cups up to 1992. 1996 however heralded the beginning of the ODI game as we know it now - pinch-hitting, fielding restrictions that demand wristy players, slow and low wickets, the requirement for dynamo fielders. This as we all know does not really suit the English way - fast-medium pace bowling, a shortage of quality spin bowlers, batsmen who play straight and cautiously, and lanky blokes faffing about in the outfield and gifting the opposition runs. Andy Flower is trying to pull these discrepancies back too - we have already won ODI series in WI, SA and Bang under him, and beaten OZ, Pak and India at home in ODIs, so improvements have been made, but the occasional shocking result shows how much work is still to be done.

The challenge for you is to argue why India's focus on one-day cricket is not part of the reason for their recent shortcomings in test cricket - because to be fair, the theory holds up pretty well if we examine the timeframe of their gradual fall from the number one spot.

Which was 1 bad series last year? For decades earlier we were crap. In the last few years we have performed better and were crap again in England last summer, which we can attribute to not preparing right for the series. Whether we can bounce back from that is something we shall see in the next few weeks, but if we see the results after that tour, I believe we are moving right. We can revisit this when you guys tour us for a test series next summer ;)

[James]

South Africa were pretty ordinary in the test series they hosted against you. If you'd taken steps to avoid folding in Centurion you might have won the series and taken more points. But no, who needs to acclimatise first? You also should have won 3-0 in the WI but everyone was too busy playing IPL and recovering from ODI-stimulated injuries to turn up for the Indian team.

[Itachi]

If you seriously want to argue that Indian media dont make things up I am not going to argue with you, but i do have some land for sale, wanna buy it? :D

Actual event probably went, Fletcher goes to see curator and says are we going to play today? We need some practice.

Media turns that into the story...

if you talk about indian television media, i'll accept it without uttering a word. Some news channels are more spicy than news. No doubt about that.

But indian press media is different. So i would be open to arguement on indian press media where they misleaded.

[kerala porotta]

South Africa were pretty ordinary in the test series they hosted against you. If you'd taken steps to avoid folding in Centurion you might have won the series and taken more points. But no, who needs to acclimatise first? You also should have won 3-0 in the WI but everyone was too busy playing IPL and recovering from ODI-stimulated injuries to turn up for the Indian team.

We will show you how prepared we are when you lot tour us next year.

[James]

We will show you how prepared we are when you lot tour us next year.

And this conjecturing point is referring to what in the 'India don't prepare enough for overseas tours' debate?

[kerala porotta]

One tour we went underprepared. Thought having a former England coach would make things easy for us,you wont see us making this mistake again

[Pure Evil]

South Africa were pretty ordinary in the test series they hosted against you. If you'd taken steps to avoid folding in Centurion you might have won the series and taken more points. But no, who needs to acclimatise first?

The seniors from the Indian squad, went early to SA to acclimtaise. SA were ordinary or we made them look ordinary?

You also should have won 3-0 in the WI but everyone was too busy playing IPL and recovering from ODI-stimulated injuries to turn up for the Indian team.

We still won 2-0 der

We just had 1 nightmare series and yes in all probability we deserved it. But the fact remains that many Indians will prefer a T20 or ODI to a Test and as long as we keep doing well der, a blip like the England series will not be considered important.

[ahamedirshad123]

We still won 2-0 der


1-0 (the Bridgetown test ended in a draw because of rain and bad weather)

[Sultan Yusuf]

Bet you this disgraceful act was instigated by none other than the little coward himself teenda

[Pure Evil]

1-0 (the Bridgetown test ended in a draw because of rain and bad weather)

Bad you!! If an Indian fan does not remember there was a good probability an English fan wudnt either :/ :P

[Sherlock]

Pretty poor Aussies team v pretty wobbly Indian team (abroad).

Gonna be fun.