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insaftak
4th January 2012, 22:39
PTI's critics range from extreme right marginal religious parties to extreme left wing liberals. also don't forget the incompetent center left & center right parties like PPP & PML.

I find it hilarious that Maluana Fazal-UR Rehman and Nadeem Paracha agree on one thing that PTI is up to no good and are misguiding the youth of pakistan. I also find it hilarious that our supporters range from hakeemullah Mehsud to Veena Malik.

:facepalm:

MY Question is Has PTI finally made it large that all these people with extremly different views oppose or support PTI.

insaftak
4th January 2012, 22:45
Here is Veena Malik's endorsment

http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20111229/Sub_Images/1101412039-1.gif

and Here is Hakeemullah Mehsud's endorsement. listen to it @ 5:00

89oXNJYBIfU&

:))) :)))

ahsan88
4th January 2012, 22:46
Bhai, mai kis zimray mai aata hun? Anti ya Pro?

insaftak
4th January 2012, 22:50
Bhai, mai kis zimray mai aata hun? Anti ya Pro?

Aitezaz Ahsan walay zimray mai. Dhakkay ke zaroort hai kabhi be jump laga saktey ho!

i_2P-TRzmho

akheR
4th January 2012, 22:57
I see it too, but what I find quite pityful is that, everyday, you have one or two bloggers on website like Express Tribune (the temple of our liberal priests) who complain about Imran Khan from everything: from his idealism to him scratching his back in public... I mean, that's like Imran Khan is called Mr 10% or invested into his family's business with the nation's wealth, the PTI-bashing goes a bit over the top imo.

:zardari :sharif

zimmz
4th January 2012, 22:58
So this Mullah diesel getting all exicted (http://www.maintitles.net/gfx/smileys/bhangra.gif) about Imran's popularity and has jumped onto propaganda wagon, calling Imran's children jews :)))

insaftak
4th January 2012, 23:05
Rumors of Imran Khan meeting Majlis-e-Wahdat-e Muslimen a small shia party to get their support on 9th of January to create more problems for the status quo forces.

AZ
4th January 2012, 23:07
I see it too, but what I find quite pityful is that, everyday, you have one or two bloggers on website like Express Tribune (the temple of our liberal priests) who complain about Imran Khan from everything: from his idealism to him scratching his back in public... I mean, that's like Imran Khan is called Mr 10% or invested into his family's business with the nation's wealth, the PTI-bashing goes a bit over the top imo.

:zardari :sharif

for every one or two in opposition there are ten others speaking in favor of IK as well, so my advice would be to be not so defensive.

if the PTI-bashing is OTT then what would you say the perpetual bashing of other parties is?

as for the question in OP, yes absolutely they have stepped into the big leagues, PTI ka charcha galli galli mein ho raha hai.

Mohsin
4th January 2012, 23:07
Veena Malik...:facepalm:

insaftak
4th January 2012, 23:08
Veena Malik...:facepalm:

Hakeemullah Mehsud :facepalm: * 2

akheR
4th January 2012, 23:11
for every one or two in opposition there are ten others speaking in favor of IK as well, so my advice would be to be not so defensive.

if the PTI-bashing is OTT then what would you say the perpetual bashing of other parties is?

as for the question in OP, yes absolutely they have stepped into the big leagues, PTI ka charcha galli galli mein ho raha hai.

Not comparable to what Kaptaan suffers from our virtual poets. :imran

And when I say that everyday you have some prose against him, I mean it quite literally, at least on Express Tribune.

Also, I don't have a problem with constructive criticism per se, these are the weapons of the democratic arena... but some are just overdoing it.

AZ
4th January 2012, 23:13
Not comparable to what Kaptaan suffers from our virtual poets. :imran

And when I say that everyday you have some prose against him, I mean it quite literally, at least on Express Tribune.

Also, I don't have a problem with constructive criticism per se, these are the weapons of the democratic arena... but some are just overdoing it.

bhai abhi se ghussa khaogey to jab hakoomat mein aaogey, tab kya hoyega?

although I do agree that most of these ET blogs are quite awful, on either side of the debate.

zimmz
4th January 2012, 23:13
Veena Malik...:facepalm:


Hakeemullah Mehsud :facepalm: * 2

Why pareshan? Imran is uniting all extremes under one umbrella :))

insaftak
4th January 2012, 23:23
So this Mullah diesel getting all exicted (http://www.maintitles.net/gfx/smileys/bhangra.gif) about Imran's popularity and has jumped onto propaganda wagon, calling Imran's children jews :)))

This is really hilarious :))) :)))

yGWsEdiB1dI&

akheR
4th January 2012, 23:24
bhai abhi se ghussa khaogey to jab hakoomat mein aaogey, tab kya hoyega?

although I do agree that most of these ET blogs are quite awful, on either side of the debate.

Never ghussa, you know. :misbah

But just find it odd, really, there are more interesting targets in the wild.

srh
4th January 2012, 23:40
uniting polar opposites under one man? thats not a good sign for Imran Khan.

insaftak
4th January 2012, 23:41
World of the news
BY NADEEM F. PARACHA ON AUGUST 18TH, 2011 | COMMENTS (102)




PTI supporter accuses Imran for his hemorrhoids

ISLAMABAD, August 16: A supporter of Imran Khan’s Pakistan Thereek-i-Insaaf (PTI) has accused Imran for the flaring up of his hemorrhoids (piles) problem. Talking to the media, Anjum Ahmed, a 22-year-old student of LUMS in Lahore, said that he has taken part in almost all protest sit-ins (dharnas) called by Khan.

“All that sitting for hours has given me a bad case of piles,” Anjum complained. He warned that if Khan continues to call these long sit-ins, very few of his supporters would be able to vote for him in the next elections because by then almost all of them would be suffering from painful hemorrhoids.

Anjum claimed that though he is now unable to sit or walk without feeling pain, he is still a PTI supporter. However, he appealed to Imran to stop urging his supporters to get off their backsides in their drawing rooms only to come out and place their backsides on pavements and streets.

He also asked PTI to distribute cushions during the sit-ins.

Responding to Mr. Anjum’s claims, PTI leader, Dr. Shireen Mazari, said that it was sad that PTI supporters like Anjum are shying away from pain.

“Revolutions require sacrifices,” she said. “I’ve been sitting for years for this moment, so much so that I have now evolved into becoming a human cushion myself,” explained Mazari, proudly adding that her leader, Imran Khan, once mistook her for being a sofa.

When some media men raised Anjum’s case with Imran, the charismatic PTI chairman sympathised with all those young PTI supporters suffering from piles but said the sit-ins will continue. He did add that he has asked a leading supporter of his, Dr. Alvi, to instruct PTI supporters to sit in a way that would avoid giving them piles. When some reporters reminded him that Dr. Alvi was actually a dentist, Imran said, “For PTI he (Alvi) is ready to give up dentistry and become a Sufi yoga instructor.”

When media men approached Dr. Alvi, they found him sitting with his eyes closed in a meditative pose. He claimed his body was 5.1 centimeters above the ground. Just as the reporters were trying to substantiate Dr. Alvi’s claims, Ms. Mazari was heard screaming at a local reporter. She accused him of attempting to assault her. The bewildered reporter was heard mumbling: “But I thought I was sitting on a sofa … I swear it was a sofa. It .. it .. just came alive!”

The reporter was later handed over to ISI offices in Abpara

Our Friend Nadeem F Paracha mocking PTI supporters

CORNERED-TIGER
4th January 2012, 23:48
Haters gonna Hate

IK ROCKS

PTI ROCKS

zimmz
5th January 2012, 00:33
So this Mullah diesel getting all exicted (http://www.maintitles.net/gfx/smileys/bhangra.gif) about Imran's popularity and has jumped onto propaganda wagon, calling Imran's children jews :)))


This is really hilarious :))) :)))


I really admire the political awareness of Jemima. On several occasions she swiftly ward off the propaganda by PTI opponents.

http://loadpictures.net/pics/e47cf076ab67f3094e7fb6e9eaf9dd98.JPG

zimmz
5th January 2012, 00:36
^ Jemima learnt well the political titles...Maulana Diesel :)))

Xohaib
5th January 2012, 01:40
Tamancha on the the 1 canal face of hypocritomos.

waqar_ahmad
5th January 2012, 03:32
I really admire the political awareness of Jemima. On several occasions she swiftly ward off the propaganda by PTI opponents.

http://loadpictures.net/pics/e47cf076ab67f3094e7fb6e9eaf9dd98.JPG

I admire her, a lot!

She came and settled in pakistan, converted, and all.

And now, after the divorce, both Imran and Jemima still respect and back each other. Still full of praise for each other

the Great Khan
5th January 2012, 03:44
no one can beat what my dad said about Imran in one of our "me vs my dad on politics" debates: " "tukaya nay si unu chewing gum pay khanda si stage tay bay kur. Beghairaty di intaha hundi hay"..my response was a to merely laugh and claim he had finally given up on the argument if chewing gum was the best he could come up with. My dad is now resigned to the fact Imran will win some seats! (originally he thought IK couldnt even win one seat) ..lol.

cricketmerijaan
5th January 2012, 03:57
Imran Khan is the Ahmedinajad(Iran) of Pakistan.
He will improve the economy.
Allow women to wear haram clothing in public.
He will get into a War with America.
He will support is Pathan Taliban brothers.

Imran Khan doesn't have the £$ to win the election. He may have pulled in the youth, but he will never win any seats of the likes Nawaz Sharif, who has powerbases right across Punjab and the PPP Bhuto paindoos.

The music they had on his jalsa was stupid. Trying to copy western countries. Obama and Cameron don't have rockstars on stage with DJ's singing about Roti. Imran Khan will win 10 seats max..and then all the lotey will move from his party.

insaftak
5th January 2012, 04:08
no one can beat what my dad said about Imran in one of our "me vs my dad on politics" debates: " "tukaya nay si unu chewing gum pay khanda si stage tay bay kur. Beghairaty di intaha hundi hay"..my response was a to merely laugh and claim he had finally given up on the argument if chewing gum was the best he could come up with. My dad is now resigned to the fact Imran will win some seats! (originally he thought IK couldnt even win one seat) ..lol.

LOL!

Like Imran Khan says "Baap Aik party mein aur us kay Biwi Bachay Tehreek Insaf mein"

:)) :))

Black Zero
5th January 2012, 04:10
no one can beat what my dad said about Imran in one of our "me vs my dad on politics" debates: " "tukaya nay si unu chewing gum pay khanda si stage tay bay kur. Beghairaty di intaha hundi hay"..my response was a to merely laugh and claim he had finally given up on the argument if chewing gum was the best he could come up with. My dad is now resigned to the fact Imran will win some seats! (originally he thought IK couldnt even win one seat) ..lol.

What your dad says about "establishment backing IK"?


Imran Khan is the Ahmedinajad(Iran) of Pakistan.
He will improve the economy.
Allow women to wear haram clothing in public.
He will get into a War with America.
He will support is Pathan Taliban brothers.

Imran Khan doesn't have the £$ to win the election. He may have pulled in the youth, but he will never win any seats of the likes Nawaz Sharif, who has powerbases right across Punjab and the PPP Bhuto paindoos.

The music they had on his jalsa was stupid. Trying to copy western countries. Obama and Cameron don't have rockstars on stage with DJ's singing about Roti. Imran Khan will win 10 seats max..and then all the lotey will move from his party.

if IJI/MMA/MQM can win, then surely PTI can!

ehjaz
5th January 2012, 04:47
Diesel makes me puke.................along with ganja and 100% choar

cricfan4ever
5th January 2012, 06:27
anti-PTI for sure!

saadibaba
5th January 2012, 07:00
To OP

Extreme rig wing and extreme left wing parties/groups only agree with people like themselves. Anyone in the middle is not acceptable to them. As for the middle, you cannot expect everyone in the middle to suddenly change loyalties.

Plus, can one not be Neutral PTI, or does everyone needs to be lumped into the Pro or Anti PTI group. Its either you are with us or against us.

the Great Khan
5th January 2012, 16:29
What your dad says about "establishment backing IK"?



if IJI/MMA/MQM can win, then surely PTI can!

my dads pro army so doesnt care..! actually supported Mush sahib if you can believe it! my dads generation are all staunch pro army!

he doesnt see it as a big deal if the army supports Imran, in fact its actually the other way around. He's impressed the army finds imran a viable solution as my dads generation are pretty patriotic having seen independance with their own eyes. so to summarise he doesnt have a problem with it!

the Great Khan
5th January 2012, 16:31
To OP

Extreme rig wing and extreme left wing parties/groups only agree with people like themselves. Anyone in the middle is not acceptable to them. As for the middle, you cannot expect everyone in the middle to suddenly change loyalties.

Plus, can one not be Neutral PTI, or does everyone needs to be lumped into the Pro or Anti PTI group. Its either you are with us or against us.

so now the liberal secularists are claiming they are the middle? "oh angels and ministers of grace defend us". It smacks of desperation and lack of fibre!

Vegitto1
5th January 2012, 16:45
To OP

Extreme rig wing and extreme left wing parties/groups only agree with people like themselves. Anyone in the middle is not acceptable to them. As for the middle, you cannot expect everyone in the middle to suddenly change loyalties.

Plus, can one not be Neutral PTI, or does everyone needs to be lumped into the Pro or Anti PTI group. Its either you are with us or against us.

How can a supporter of another political party claim that they are neutral towards PTI. By supporting one you are automatically against the other.

It's like saying, "I support Israel's actions but I am neutral towards Palestine."

And if say you support no political party and claim to be neutral then any reasonable person would concede that you cannot have a corrupt head of state or government. Simply on that basis PTI is the clear winner.

As far as agenda/manifesto goes a neutral would also see that neither PPP or PML-N have a manifesto despite being in power a number of times and being much older than PTI, therefore again PTI comes out on top.

A neutral will also see that the leader of PTI has stated that party ticket will only be given to those whose assets are declared and also their source of income and anyone can become a member of the party. Therefore, it is unfair to claim that he playing lota politics and more fair to say that he is chipping away at PPP and PML-N vote banks and electable candidates.

Furthermore a neutral will also make note of the fact that PML-N has made open invitation to PML-Q members to join them and PPP takes on anyone and everyone.

A neutral will also note that their is no evidence of establishment supporting PTI whereas both PPP and PML-N have history of being in bed with Establishment and came to power for the very first time through establishment help.

So once a neutral person considers all that, please tell me how can he then remain neutral?

Bashira_taeli
5th January 2012, 17:10
The liberal left like the crazy mullahs are akin to sheeps. At a given time you'll find the entire herd having similar political views. The homogeneity of their views has alot to do with the fact that these people regurgitate the views of certain personalities when it comes to society and politics.
So if I were a PTI supporter I wouldn't be too worried about the lack of support from the liberals. Just one tweet from Nadeem F Paracha and you might find them in the next jalsa chanting aik bahadur admi.....


To OP

Extreme rig wing and extreme left wing parties/groups only agree with people like themselves. Anyone in the middle is not acceptable to them. As for the middle, you cannot expect everyone in the middle to suddenly change loyalties.

Plus, can one not be Neutral PTI, or does everyone needs to be lumped into the Pro or Anti PTI group. Its either you are with us or against us.

Mate you are not in the middle and neither is your partner in crime. :)

AZ
5th January 2012, 17:28
one has to declare their assets if they want to run for election anyway, its not as revolutionary as it is being touted here.

Vegitto1
5th January 2012, 17:38
one has to declare their assets if they want to run for election anyway, its not as revolutionary as it is being touted here.

Step 1: Source of Income.

Step 2: Asset declaration. Even those transferred to wife or son.

Step 3: Tax history.

Step 4: Clarification of accusations against individual if any.

Conclusion: A clean reliable person who can be trusted with governance.


As far as I know Nawaz Sharif's son did not come into this world with a bag full of dollars. 1.2 billion to be precise.

How did he get that money? His father gave it to him but his father has never accounted for it. and if he has and it is legal money then how does he explain not paying any tax on it - the whole tax history of Nawaz was disclosed on a tv show and the most he ever paid in an year was 2/3 lacs

So either he robbed the public and/or if the money was legal then he is a tax evader

and now all that property bought with that money is in his son's name and he says he owns nothing hence pays no tax. that my friend is cheating the law. Nawaz transferred property into his family members name to evade tax and loan repayments.

So declaration of ones TRUE assets is must.

AZ
5th January 2012, 17:43
how is that (transferring your wealth to spouse/children) cheating the law?

Bashira_taeli
5th January 2012, 17:49
how is that (transferring your wealth to spouse/children) cheating the law?

Brother you might be the only supporter of the Amir from the youth nasl of today.

the Great Khan
5th January 2012, 17:50
How can a supporter of another political party claim that they are neutral towards PTI. By supporting one you are automatically against the other.

It's like saying, "I support Israel's actions but I am neutral towards Palestine."

And if say you support no political party and claim to be neutral then any reasonable person would concede that you cannot have a corrupt head of state or government. Simply on that basis PTI is the clear winner.

As far as agenda/manifesto goes a neutral would also see that neither PPP or PML-N have a manifesto despite being in power a number of times and being much older than PTI, therefore again PTI comes out on top.

A neutral will also see that the leader of PTI has stated that party ticket will only be given to those whose assets are declared and also their source of income and anyone can become a member of the party. Therefore, it is unfair to claim that he playing lota politics and more fair to say that he is chipping away at PPP and PML-N vote banks and electable candidates.

Furthermore a neutral will also make note of the fact that PML-N has made open invitation to PML-Q members to join them and PPP takes on anyone and everyone.

A neutral will also note that their is no evidence of establishment supporting PTI whereas both PPP and PML-N have history of being in bed with Establishment and came to power for the very first time through establishment help.

So once a neutral person considers all that, please tell me how can he then remain neutral?

because the liberals will always be neutral, in other words they will always pretend to have a position but in reality have none at all..until they get an extremem secularist in charge who they will support like he/she are the Quaid himself! it is ultimatley a self defeating policy! ultimatley they are afraid of voicing their real position hence the curent "ve are neutral" tag!

Vegitto1
5th January 2012, 17:51
how is that cheating the law?

My father runs a business and his net income for the year is £1.2 Billion.

He transfers all that money to me as gift.

When the tax man comes knocking or my father submits the tax return he can put a small amount in as income so that he has to pay less tax. (Fraud/ tax evasion/ cheating the Law)

I am going to slip under the radar because I do not earn and most probably I am still a student.

Any person with a bit of common sense can see that is tax evasion.

Furthermore, all that money is then sent to off-shore accounts or invest abroad. All that money which was never accounted for.

Economist are still confused how Itefaaq groups profit rise by more than 100% when PML-N comes into Power in Punjab. It's as if being in government makes them better businessmen.

But since you being an intelligent person asked me this question I had to answer it, even though I know that you know deep down that it is breaking the law but your love for N&S blinds you.

Vegitto1
5th January 2012, 17:53
because the liberals will always be neutral, in other words they will always pretend to have a position but in reality have none at all..until they get an extremem secularist in charge who they will support like he/she are the Quaid himself! it is ultimatley a self defeating policy! ultimatley they are afraid of voicing their real position hence the curent "ve are neutral" tag!

So called neutrals remind me of ravens and crows, once the battle is over they fly down to peck the ones who are defeated but never say anything while the battle rages.

AZ
5th January 2012, 18:03
Brother you might be the only supporter of the Amir from the youth nasl of today.

:yawn:

please answer the question.



My father runs a business and his net income for the year is £1.2 Billion.

He transfers all that money to me as gift.

When the tax man comes knocking or my father submits the tax return he can put a small amount in as income so that he has to pay less tax.

I am going to slip under the radar because I do not earn and most probably I am still a student.

Any person with a bit of common sense can see that is tax evasion.

Furthermore, all that money is then sent to off-shore accounts or invest abroad. All that money which was never accounted for.

Economist are still confused how Itefaaq groups profit rise by more than 100% when PML-N comes into Power in Punjab. It's as if being in government makes them better businessmen.

But since you being an intelligent person asked me this question I had to answer it, even though I know that you know deep down that it is breaking the law but your love for N&S blinds you.

lol, and how will you explain having 1.2 billion pounds in your account?

did you keep it all under a gigantic mattress so that it didn't show up in any banking transactions?

unethical and illegal are 2 different things.

Vegitto1
5th January 2012, 19:39
:yawn:

please answer the question.




lol, and how will you explain having 1.2 billion pounds in your account?

did you keep it all under a gigantic mattress so that it didn't show up in any banking transactions?

unethical and illegal are 2 different things.

Tax evasion is illegal.

I do not have to explain having 1.2 billion in my account if it is an off-shore account! seriously I am surprised at nit-picking attempts.

Submitting fake tax returns is also illegal.
XzbNPtxt-yw

Now after watching this video please have the courtesy, although I won't be surprised if you avoid this thread after watching the video, to answer the following question:

How can you justify two different tax returns being submitted with two different amounts but on the same date for the same individual?

AZ
5th January 2012, 19:56
Tax evasion is illegal.

I do not have to explain having 1.2 billion in my account if it is an off-shore account! seriously I am surprised at nit-picking attempts.

Submitting fake tax returns is also illegal.
XzbNPtxt-yw

Now after watching this video please have the courtesy, although I won't be surprised if you avoid this thread after watching the video, to answer the following question:

How can you justify two different tax returns being submitted with two different amounts but on the same date for the same individual?

how is it tax evasion? would be so if you being the son refused to pay the tax on it and most importantly you have to explain how you ended up with that money.

if you have it off-shore, so what? everyone has the right to safeguard their money within the law.

like I said earlier, unethical is not the same as illegal.

as for that video, 2 things, obviously either they are fake returns or KA got the wrong ones.

as for this specific example of NS which you continuously want to bring in (although I was speaking in broader terms) why is no-one taking him to court for it now?

Vegitto1
5th January 2012, 20:13
how is it tax evasion? would be so if you being the son refused to pay the tax on it and most importantly you have to explain how you ended up with that money.

if you have it off-shore, so what? everyone has the right to safeguard their money within the law.

like I said earlier, unethical is not the same as illegal.

as for that video, 2 things, obviously either they are fake returns or KA got the wrong ones.

as for this specific example of NS which you continuously want to bring in (although I was speaking in broader terms) why is no-one taking him to court for it now?


1. So naive. Pak authorities cannot do anything about money held in off-shore accounts. The money never goes through a Pak bank. I am sure you are familiar with the Hawala system are you not?

The Sharif family was famous for sending money out of country through Hawala and then bringing it in to the country as white money AND it was during Nawaz's tenure that a law was passed that foreign money coming into Pakistan is not taxable.

2. If those returns were wrong Khawaja should have apologised and produced the right ones. He said they were right which simply means they were caught red handed.

3. No-one is taking him to court! He kept accusing Zardari of corruption and and Zardari accused him, knowing very well that both are equally corrupt. So they agree to leave that out.

PTI can take him to court but then how are we to get evidence? that is the job of an independent NAB which unfortunately we do not have but which fortunately we will have as it is a top priority on PTI agenda. Once the NAB is independent and free from influence then all corrupt individuals will have to answer whether they be PTI, PPP, PML-N or even the army generals!

insaftak
5th January 2012, 23:05
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/390998_10150562297988383_63078243382_10807398_1544 946558_n.jpg

This looks fake but a clear message to Maulana don't mess with the internet brigade :))

saadibaba
5th January 2012, 23:29
How can a supporter of another political party claim that they are neutral towards PTI. By supporting one you are automatically against the other.

It's like saying, "I support Israel's actions but I am neutral towards Palestine."

And if say you support no political party and claim to be neutral then any reasonable person would concede that you cannot have a corrupt head of state or government. Simply on that basis PTI is the clear winner.

As far as agenda/manifesto goes a neutral would also see that neither PPP or PML-N have a manifesto despite being in power a number of times and being much older than PTI, therefore again PTI comes out on top.

A neutral will also see that the leader of PTI has stated that party ticket will only be given to those whose assets are declared and also their source of income and anyone can become a member of the party. Therefore, it is unfair to claim that he playing lota politics and more fair to say that he is chipping away at PPP and PML-N vote banks and electable candidates.

Furthermore a neutral will also make note of the fact that PML-N has made open invitation to PML-Q members to join them and PPP takes on anyone and everyone.

A neutral will also note that their is no evidence of establishment supporting PTI whereas both PPP and PML-N have history of being in bed with Establishment and came to power for the very first time through establishment help.

So once a neutral person considers all that, please tell me how can he then remain neutral?

Wow ! You have convinced me bro. I can no longer stay neutral anymore. PTI, here I come :)

saadibaba
5th January 2012, 23:33
I don't know if PTI will accept me...considering I am a liberal extremist, a raven, crow, vulture, pig, dog, all of them combined, etc. :))

insaftak
5th January 2012, 23:45
I don't know if PTI will accept me...considering I am a liberal extremist, a raven, crow, vulture, pig, dog, all of them combined, etc. :))

Everyone is welcome in PTI.

Our goal is to throw out PPP & PML. so if you are into throwing out PPP and PML then join us.

insaftak
6th January 2012, 00:43
Moulana ko meri jeans say iss liye takleef hai ke kioon ke vo khud jeans mein fit nahi aaasakte :imran

@ 13:00 Lol

Qt8BCvc0aSw

:))) :))) :)))

Vegitto1
6th January 2012, 17:05
Wow ! You have convinced me bro. I can no longer stay neutral anymore. PTI, here I come :)

I am not very good with interpreting sarcasm over the internet. So you might as well be kind enough and tell me if you were being sarcastic :p

AZ
6th January 2012, 17:21
Waise how many PPers are registered voters?

Vegitto1
6th January 2012, 17:31
Waise how many PPers are registered voters?

I am

Muhammad Waleed
7th January 2012, 13:04
Do read this :))

akheR
7th January 2012, 14:39
^the 'about me' section for a PML-N/PPP supporter should be as funny giving how much credible their leaders are, and how ya'll try to justify your vote.

:asif

0tt0man
7th January 2012, 16:18
Waise how many PPers are registered voters?
I am. My entire family are registered voters but they're not PPers unfortunately :P

ecstatic_freak
7th January 2012, 16:21
Waise how many PPers are registered voters?

Imran be the first person i'd ever vote for, never voted for anyone as i never found anyone worthy of it. when you vote for someone, you declare that you are responsible for every action that individual may take and i never believed anyone like that but Imran looks/sounds like the kind of guy i could well and truly state that i'm responsible for every action he may take !!!

insaftak
10th January 2012, 00:07
Rumors of Imran Khan meeting Majlis-e-Wahdat-e Muslimen a small shia party to get their support on 9th of January to create more problems for the status quo forces.

http://insaf.pk/Portals/0/NTForums_Attach/1-9-2012_92621_1.gif

Here we go!

insaftak
10th January 2012, 01:08
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Bechara Maulana is going to cry soon! Maulana nein baray ghlaat bachoon say panga le liya hai :P

insaftak
10th January 2012, 01:16
pti ke ulloo
imran khan aya
worldcup jitaya
cancer hospital ka irada banaya
ghar ghar darwaza khatkaya
cornered tigers ka nara lagaya
chanda campaign chalaya
ghareebon ke liye hospital banaya
============================
shaadi ka khayal aya
gori maimsaab biyah ke laya
musalmaan karaya
yahoodi lobby ka ilzaam lagwaya
bhabhi ko lahore mein adjust karwaya
============================
1996 aya, insaf ka nara lagaya
pti banaya
election karaya
kuch khaas result na aya
============================
musharaf aya, martial law lagaya
shareefon ko bhagaya election karaya
imran ne zor lagaya
1 seat le ker opposition mein aya
musharraf se mahol banaya
prime minister ka seat thukraya
============================
amreeka aya war on terror ka nara lagaya
imran ne moulvi ko milaya sarkon pe aya
go amreeka go ka nara lagaya
koi result na aya
============================
qasoori aya aafia ko handover karaya
imran ko ghussa aya phir sarkon pe aya
go musharraf go ka tehreek chalaya
phir koi result na aya
============================
chief justice ka chutti karaya
lawyers movement banaya
police ke danday khaya
media ka attention dilwaya
12 may aya
mqm ko order aya
sarkon pe container lagwaya
============================
imran ko ghussa aya
mqm pe ilzaam lagaya
karachi se entry band karwaya
altaf pe case karnay ka plan banaya
dunya bhar ka attention dilwaya
koi result na aya
============================
election aya shareefon ne dhoka dilaya
imran se boycott karaya
bewaqoof banaya
khud power mein aya zardari se mahol banaya
============================
imran ko ghussa aya
revolution ka nara lagaya
youth ko hilaya
bhai ko garmi mein kharaab karaya
koi result na aya
============================
drone ke khilaaf tehreek chalaya
taliban khan ka laqab paya
peshawar aur phir karachi dharna karaya
strings ko bulwaya
“mein tou dekhoonga” gawaya
koi result na aya
============================
30 october aya
government ko hilaya
minar e pakistan mein jalsa karaya
tsunami laya
“saadi baari ayen deyo” ka nara lagaya
sab ka neend haraam karaya
============================
siyasi mahol mein tabdeeli laya
lota season waqt se pehlay aya
isi ne shopping karaya
naraaz leaderon ka tola banaya
pti ki taraf rawana karaya
============================
qureshi aya mureedon ka tola laya
kasuri ne jalsa karaya
kursiyon ka buffet karaya
imran ne zor lagaya
pml n ko zarab lagaya
hashmi ko laya
baaghi banaya
qureshi ne zor lagaya
imran ne baat ko thukraya
hashmi ko airport se laya
============================
25 december aya
mqm se mahol banaya
karachi mein jalsa karaya
2.5 lakh awaam aya
salman ahmed ne guitar bajaya
abrar ne nazam sunaya
sabse taqreer karaya
apna political plan bataya
kisi ko bhee tanqeed ka nishana nahi banaya
============================
hum ne itni mehnat se blog banaya
kisi ko samajh nahi aya
veena malik ne asset dikhaya saaaab ki samajh mein aya

ps: You just dont read it, you read it with that balochi voice in your head

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insaftak
10th January 2012, 01:16
pti ke ulloo
imran khan aya
worldcup jitaya
cancer hospital ka irada banaya
ghar ghar darwaza khatkaya
cornered tigers ka nara lagaya
chanda campaign chalaya
ghareebon ke liye hospital banaya
============================
shaadi ka khayal aya
gori maimsaab biyah ke laya
musalmaan karaya
yahoodi lobby ka ilzaam lagwaya
bhabhi ko lahore mein adjust karwaya
============================
1996 aya, insaf ka nara lagaya
pti banaya
election karaya
kuch khaas result na aya
============================
musharaf aya, martial law lagaya
shareefon ko bhagaya election karaya
imran ne zor lagaya
1 seat le ker opposition mein aya
musharraf se mahol banaya
prime minister ka seat thukraya
============================
amreeka aya war on terror ka nara lagaya
imran ne moulvi ko milaya sarkon pe aya
go amreeka go ka nara lagaya
koi result na aya
============================
qasoori aya aafia ko handover karaya
imran ko ghussa aya phir sarkon pe aya
go musharraf go ka tehreek chalaya
phir koi result na aya
============================
chief justice ka chutti karaya
lawyers movement banaya
police ke danday khaya
media ka attention dilwaya
12 may aya
mqm ko order aya
sarkon pe container lagwaya
============================
imran ko ghussa aya
mqm pe ilzaam lagaya
karachi se entry band karwaya
altaf pe case karnay ka plan banaya
dunya bhar ka attention dilwaya
koi result na aya
============================
election aya shareefon ne dhoka dilaya
imran se boycott karaya
bewaqoof banaya
khud power mein aya zardari se mahol banaya
============================
imran ko ghussa aya
revolution ka nara lagaya
youth ko hilaya
bhai ko garmi mein kharaab karaya
koi result na aya
============================
drone ke khilaaf tehreek chalaya
taliban khan ka laqab paya
peshawar aur phir karachi dharna karaya
strings ko bulwaya
“mein tou dekhoonga” gawaya
koi result na aya
============================
30 october aya
government ko hilaya
minar e pakistan mein jalsa karaya
tsunami laya
“saadi baari ayen deyo” ka nara lagaya
sab ka neend haraam karaya
============================
siyasi mahol mein tabdeeli laya
lota season waqt se pehlay aya
isi ne shopping karaya
naraaz leaderon ka tola banaya
pti ki taraf rawana karaya
============================
qureshi aya mureedon ka tola laya
kasuri ne jalsa karaya
kursiyon ka buffet karaya
imran ne zor lagaya
pml n ko zarab lagaya
hashmi ko laya
baaghi banaya
qureshi ne zor lagaya
imran ne baat ko thukraya
hashmi ko airport se laya
============================
25 december aya
mqm se mahol banaya
karachi mein jalsa karaya
2.5 lakh awaam aya
salman ahmed ne guitar bajaya
abrar ne nazam sunaya
sabse taqreer karaya
apna political plan bataya
kisi ko bhee tanqeed ka nishana nahi banaya
============================
hum ne itni mehnat se blog banaya
kisi ko samajh nahi aya
veena malik ne asset dikhaya saaaab ki samajh mein aya

ps: You just dont read it, you read it with that balochi voice in your head

the writer is a standup comedian who is finding it difficult to compete with the politicians. Follow his tweets @june_aid



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sa88
10th January 2012, 01:16
:yawn:

please answer the question.




lol, and how will you explain having 1.2 billion pounds in your account?

did you keep it all under a gigantic mattress so that it didn't show up in any banking transactions?

unethical and illegal are 2 different things.

Wealth is not taxed in Pakistan, income is.

The point is that Hamza Sharif has not acquired 1.2bn pounds of wealth in his short life - that money has come to him via the elder Sharifs.

The most the Sharifs have paid in tax is a few lacs in rupees per year. How can they accumulate such great wealth while paying such a pitiful amount of tax. Obviously, if you're in power you are going to tell the taxman / the auditor general's office to look the other way while your money (not just hard cash) is piling up.

The whole situation smacks of tax evasion.

AZ
10th January 2012, 01:20
^ they are (apparently) paying 60 lakh rupees tax on their Raiwind farmhouse alone.

waqar_ahmad
10th January 2012, 01:33
^Yeah, well, its kinda hard to hide a farmhouse, isnt it

AZ
10th January 2012, 01:34
pertaining to 3rd paragraph.

zaid65
10th January 2012, 01:46
^Yeah, well, its kinda hard to hide a farmhouse, isnt it

Hahahaha.

60 lakh is tax and they are spending 6o million per months on the employees who are working at the farm house :)

Overall it is close to 54 muraba land ( 25 acres in each muraba).

If Zardari made money through commission and other sources, Sharif brothers made money through the land accumulation and not paying taxes on his industry and taking the loans from banks to put the industry and did not pay them back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxrSvw3LYA

sa88
10th January 2012, 01:46
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qMwMeY2uPP0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Please watch this video - shows Sharifs paying pitiful amounts of tax. There is a PML-N representative here and his defences are pathetic. Income tax paid by Sharifs are from 1:20 onwards.

If you have any documents showing this 60 lacs of tax on the Raiwand estate - other than a consumption tax, which everyone must pay - please do share them with us.

insaftak
19th January 2012, 18:29
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Taliban Leader Invites PTI to hold Jalsa in North Waziristan. Waisey Maulana Fazal ur Rehman ko bara Nuqsaan ho raha hai iss saab say.

http://islamabad.naibaat.com/ePaper/19-01-2012/Detail/p8_18.jpg

jack_sparrow
19th January 2012, 18:42
^^ lol

saw dat in the morning n was highly surprised!!

now the pendulum wud swing again (from yahoodi lobby to taliban khan)

insaftak
24th January 2012, 23:39
Hum Saab ke Sawaloon Ka Jawab hai Don :imran

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insaftak
31st January 2013, 02:02
Seems like Mooed Pir Zada of Waqt News has officially joined Pro PTI Camp :)

waqar_ahmad
31st January 2013, 02:38
Excellent from Moeed Pirzada. I watch his show sometimes, and he comes across as a knowledgeable anchor, and not someone with an agenda.

saadibaba
31st January 2013, 03:20
Of course IK is judged on a higher standard because he claims to be different from the rest. Up till 2 years ago, he was totally anti-politics and anti-politicians. Plus, the main bone of contention between IK and "liberals" are his policies vis-a-vis Taliban and WOT. There is a difference of opinion regarding strategy, nothing more than that. As far as I can tell, most "liberals" still consider Taliban as enemies of Pakistan and terrorism and religious extremism instead of corruption as the biggest problem facing Pakistan.

saadibaba
31st January 2013, 03:25
BTW, Moeed is not a "liberal". The guy has interviewed Gen.Hameed Gul like a hundred times and every time sat google eyes with a look of wonder and admiration on his face, offering no rebuttals or counter arguments while Gen. sahab kept regurgitating the same old establishment conspiracy theory laden garbage at him.

lahori
31st January 2013, 03:41
Our Friend Nadeem F Paracha mocking PTI supporters

ignore that idiot. He's a attention seeking, ultra-liberal jackass who I'm not sure why Dawn keeps on its payroll. His articles are usually the same topic regurgitated to the n-th degree.

saadibaba
31st January 2013, 03:52
ignore that idiot. He's a attention seeking, ultra-liberal jackass who I'm not sure why Dawn keeps on its payroll. His articles are usually the same topic regurgitated to the n-th degree.

I actually agree with you. NFP has not written anything original in years. He has become quite redundant and predictable. It used to be fun reading him, now it's just a drag. Once in a while he'll write something worth forwarding but it's few and far between.

waqar_ahmad
31st January 2013, 03:58
ignore that idiot. He's a attention seeking, ultra-liberal jackass who I'm not sure why Dawn keeps on its payroll. His articles are usually the same topic regurgitated to the n-th degree.

As I said sometime back, NFP is not a liberal. He is what comes out of the backside of liberals

Looney
31st January 2013, 04:05
That Darling guy , I don`t find him funny , just annoying

B@$!T
31st January 2013, 15:07
damn why are people so against PTI and Imran Khan.. so you guys would rather stick with Zardari and nawaz sherif you've got to be kidding my they have ruined the country and they are gonna make it much worse they will probably end up like Zimbabwe

corneredtiger85292
31st January 2013, 20:37
haters gonna hate

ik rocks

pti rocks

this !

JaDed
5th January 2020, 12:38
lmao credit to PTI supporters they stuck to supporting IK from long and IK is in power and destroyed PML and PPP seems to be fizzling as well.

Mamoon
5th January 2020, 12:42
lmao credit to PTI supporters they stuck to supporting IK from long and IK is in power and destroyed PML and PPP seems to be fizzling as well.

This was a period when PTI had credibility and a had a genuine manifesto. This was also the period when Imran Khan had some sanity left.

Over the next 7 years, PTI supporters left the party while Imran cult-followers stayed loyal.

Syed1
5th January 2020, 13:09
This was a period when PTI had credibility and a had a genuine manifesto. This was also the period when Imran Khan had some sanity left.

Over the next 7 years, PTI supporters left the party while Imran cult-followers stayed loyal.

Lol PTI just won an election 1.5 years ago where 17 million Pakistanis voted for them, highest ever received by any party.... And they will win again 3.5 years from now. All you can do is cry.

Ro patwari ro.... Inshallah you will continue suffering through more misery and depression

uberkoen
5th January 2020, 15:04
Lol PTI just won an election 1.5 years ago where 17 million Pakistanis voted for them, highest ever received by any party.... And they will win again 3.5 years from now. All you can do is cry.

Ro patwari ro.... Inshallah you will continue suffering through more misery and depression

Why would you wish misery and depression on someone just because they hold a different political view than you? That's extremely sad.

JaDed
5th January 2020, 23:17
This was a period when PTI had credibility and a had a genuine manifesto. This was also the period when Imran Khan had some sanity left.

Over the next 7 years, PTI supporters left the party while Imran cult-followers stayed loyal.

Well even if it was look at how its the same posters that are against PTI even then.. so nothing changed.. I understand you would give yours as an example but just saying..

Waleed93
5th January 2020, 23:42
This was a period when PTI had credibility and a had a genuine manifesto. This was also the period when Imran Khan had some sanity left.

Over the next 7 years, PTI supporters left the party while Imran cult-followers stayed loyal.

You forgot one thing. That was also the period when you didn't know that Imran's election would bring political and "family" corruption to an end.

Waseem
6th January 2020, 04:22
To be honest Imran Khan is the key difference otherwise our political leadership is extremely hopeless, corrupt and incompetent. Unless you are as stubborn as Imran Khan, average honest person can't survive for too long.

Although Imran Khan has introduced quite a few young faces in politics, i sincerely hope he could make PTI a real democratic party before his retirement otherwise we will get stuck with Sharif, Zardari, Asfandyar, Fazlu Rehman dynasties. This is one reason it's PTI vs Anti PTI because most anti PTI parties are struggling to empower their next generations to rule Pakistan (instead of so called fight for democracy).

FreePalestine
7th January 2020, 14:37
Nothing happens overnight, but IK still has to prove himself... there has not been enough time to fully assess how well he has done.

Although I am not an economist, it seems that import reduction, in itself, is not a massive achievement. The harder thing to do now is to stimulate growth. Actually, development funds for the provinces have been severely cut, the slowing growth rate means higher unemployment, inflation means cost of living for the poor is becoming very, very high. In all, so far, his tenure would have seen a huge increase in poverty, I imagine, as this will follow from all the above.

Furthermore, he has had to make a lot of compromises in power in terms of press freedom, military appointments to political positions, catering to the old guard of Pak politics, selective accountability (there are corrupt people in PTI who do not get picked up by NAB), extreme austerity, which is directly against the idea of a ‘welfare state’; has not yet been able to take on sugar barons, corporate mafias, even the Punjab police.

PTI supporters will argue that much of this pain had to be inflicted on the people because of the mess left by previous governments. Previous governments will say that PTI are inept at administration. There is probably some truth to both these claims.

Instead of being ‘pro’ or ‘anti’, I would like to see whether this government can actually stimulate growth now in the next two years, which is a huge challenge, and whether they will actually find money to invest in a system (rather than ad-hoc initiatives) for genuine human development in the country.

The challenges this government faces are steep, and several threats, rising oil prices or an escalation in the conflict with parosis, could knock our progress off very easily. We are having to compromise a lot on our sovereignty by relying on foreign investment, CPEC and the IMF to shore up our falling reserves and pay off huge interest on loans. These things do not come for free. For example, it looks like China has basically brought telecoms services in Pakistan for a pittance. This is a huge industry for security and surveillance. The IMF have forced Pakistan to sell bonds at double-digit interest rates - what happens when these bonds come to maturity? So we are going to be beholden to a lot of different countries and financial institutions for a long period now.

All this seems to me to suggest that Imran Khan still has a long way to go and the path is anything but certain.

The only question I don’t think anyone can provide a credible answer for - if not him, then who? Some might say PML-N because they stood up to the army, but do they really believe that the Sharifs will not compromise with the army once in power? Plus he is old and has been tainted by years of corruption and underperformance. Others may say that there are genuine popular movements like PTM being suppressed, but realistically, the Pakistani establishment will never allow a party with a fervently anti-army, separatist ideology to come to power. So the question still stands - if not PTI, then who?

Mamoon
7th January 2020, 15:17
You forgot one thing. That was also the period when you didn't know that Imran's election would bring political and "family" corruption to an end.

Yes that is why Nawaz walked out of the country without paying a penny. Moreover, family politics and corruption are rampant in PTI as well, but everything is halal if it happens under the umbrella of PTI.

Imran has not brought an end to anything by imposing the most incompetent and clueless bunch of steaming garbage politicians and street urchins on the public of Pakistan.

However, even the darkest of clouds have a silver-lining. This too shall pass.

Waleed93
8th January 2020, 01:10
Yes that is why Nawaz walked out of the country without paying a penny. Moreover, family politics and corruption are rampant in PTI as well, but everything is halal if it happens under the umbrella of PTI.

Imran has not brought an end to anything by imposing the most incompetent and clueless bunch of steaming garbage politicians and street urchins on the public of Pakistan.

However, even the darkest of clouds have a silver-lining. This too shall pass.

Imran and his party have a lot of work to do. So far, they have been good in some aspects, and poor in some. Imran himself knows to an extent he has a huge amount of work with too many people being imcompetent.

Nawaz walking out of Pakistan has nothing to do with the fact that Imran has literally destroyed his political career in the space of a couple of years, making it almost impossible for him or his daughter to become PM one day.

Similarly, he has ended Zardari's political career as well, and only delusional people like you can see Bilawal as some kind of future leader.

Moreover, family corruption is not limited to Nawaz or Zardari. The fact that Imran has successfully managed to bring an end to their corruption is something their supporters can't digest as their corruption was a source of income for them and their families.

Mamoon
8th January 2020, 01:42
Imran and his party have a lot of work to do. So far, they have been good in some aspects, and poor in some. Imran himself knows to an extent he has a huge amount of work with too many people being imcompetent.

Nawaz walking out of Pakistan has nothing to do with the fact that Imran has literally destroyed his political career in the space of a couple of years, making it almost impossible for him or his daughter to become PM one day.

Similarly, he has ended Zardari's political career as well, and only delusional people like you can see Bilawal as some kind of future leader.

Moreover, family corruption is not limited to Nawaz or Zardari. The fact that Imran has successfully managed to bring an end to their corruption is something their supporters can't digest as their corruption was a source of income for them and their families.

The political careers of Nawaz and Zardari were coming to an end anyway. They are old, sick men.

You are delusional if you think Maryam and Bilawal do not have big futures. Two months back, you would have called me delusional if I had told you that Nawaz would walk out of jail without paying a penny.

The reality is slowly but surely dawning on Imran Khan and PTI. The reality checks will keep coming one after the other.

Anyway, let’s not talk about corruption. The biggest financier of Imran Khan’s dharnas and his election campaigns was Jahangir Tareen, a certified fraud and crook who has been barred by the Supreme Court from holding public office because of his dishonesty (the literal words of Supreme Court’s verdict).

He used his black money to fly Imran on his planes, finance his dharnas, his election campaign and buy the loyalties of independent candidates. In addition, his 22 year old son is now using that black money to buy the Multan franchise in PSL.

Imran’s anti-corruption stance is a joke. It is a smoke screen. He only has a problem with corruption when it is done by people who are not his party members.

Besides, apart from being a beneficiary of Jahangir Tareen’s black money, Imran himself has not descended from the heavens. He has been running from his foreign funding case for 5 years now and PTI have demanded secrecy in investigations. If he and his party have nothing to hide, why are they running and why are they demanding secrecy?

You only demand secrecy when you have things to hide. If you are clean and transparent, you would come out in the open to solidify the claim that you are honest. Imran is not doing it because he knows that he will be exposed.

Bewal Express
8th January 2020, 02:11
The political careers of Nawaz and Zardari were coming to an end anyway. They are old, sick men.


You are delusional if you think Maryam and Bilawal do not have big futures. Two months back, you would have called me delusional if I had told you that Nawaz would walk out of jail without paying a penny.

The reality is slowly but surely dawning on Imran Khan and PTI. The reality checks will keep coming one after the other.

Anyway, let’s not talk about corruption. The biggest financier of Imran Khan’s dharnas and his election campaigns was Jahangir Tareen, a certified fraud and crook who has been barred by the Supreme Court from holding public office because of his dishonesty (the literal words of Supreme Court’s verdict).

He used his black money to fly Imran on his planes, finance his dharnas, his election campaign and buy the loyalties of independent candidates. In addition, his 22 year old son is now using that black money to buy the Multan franchise in PSL.

Imran’s anti-corruption stance is a joke. It is a smoke screen. He only has a problem with corruption when it is done by people who are not his party members.

Besides, apart from being a beneficiary of Jahangir Tareen’s black money, Imran himself has not descended from the heavens. He has been running from his foreign funding case for 5 years now and PTI have demanded secrecy in investigations. If he and his party have nothing to hide, why are they running and why are they demanding secrecy?

You only demand secrecy when you have things to hide. If you are clean and transparent, you would come out in the open to solidify the claim that you are honest. Imran is not doing it because he knows that he will be exposed.

I see you haven't had the courage to come on the economic thread to reply to my question.


As you ran from the other thread, tell us on which merit based policy are Billo and Maryam going to lead political parties. They have never done a day's work, one is a convicted fraudster and the other has helped to fleece a trillion rupees from the poor of Sindh who have put so much faith in him.
Party Funding-I know you also ran from this, there is a theme emerging here, but can you explain what happened when the Nooras and PPP were asked about their funding? Here is a hint, the Nooras produced an A4 sheet( yes you read right) and Billo said you have no authority to ask us. Another total humiliation for you after you have blabbered on about it for ages.

Bewal Express
8th January 2020, 02:19
Yes that is why Nawaz walked out of the country without paying a penny. Moreover, family politics and corruption are rampant in PTI as well, but everything is halal if it happens under the umbrella of PTI.

Imran has not brought an end to anything by imposing the most incompetent and clueless bunch of steaming garbage politicians and street urchins on the public of Pakistan.

However, even the darkest of clouds have a silver-lining. This too shall pass.

So if a boxer runs out of the ring and away from a fight, does he or his opponent get humiliated? It has to be and there is a lot to chose, one of your greatest gems. Its interesting that the Nooras and the PPP opposed the FATF legislation in parliament, "leader of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Syed Naveed Qamar termed the bill against the fundamental rights of the citizens of Pakistan, claiming that after passage of the bill, the government would be able to seek information from foreign countries" which citizens hold Foreign accounts and have something to worry about?

Waleed93
8th January 2020, 02:38
The political careers of Nawaz and Zardari were coming to an end anyway. They are old, sick men.

You are delusional if you think Maryam and Bilawal do not have big futures. Two months back, you would have called me delusional if I had told you that Nawaz would walk out of jail without paying a penny.

The reality is slowly but surely dawning on Imran Khan and PTI. The reality checks will keep coming one after the other.

Anyway, let’s not talk about corruption. The biggest financier of Imran Khan’s dharnas and his election campaigns was Jahangir Tareen, a certified fraud and crook who has been barred by the Supreme Court from holding public office because of his dishonesty (the literal words of Supreme Court’s verdict).

He used his black money to fly Imran on his planes, finance his dharnas, his election campaign and buy the loyalties of independent candidates. In addition, his 22 year old son is now using that black money to buy the Multan franchise in PSL.

Imran’s anti-corruption stance is a joke. It is a smoke screen. He only has a problem with corruption when it is done by people who are not his party members.

Besides, apart from being a beneficiary of Jahangir Tareen’s black money, Imran himself has not descended from the heavens. He has been running from his foreign funding case for 5 years now and PTI have demanded secrecy in investigations. If he and his party have nothing to hide, why are they running and why are they demanding secrecy?

You only demand secrecy when you have things to hide. If you are clean and transparent, you would come out in the open to solidify the claim that you are honest. Imran is not doing it because he knows that he will be exposed.

One must be extremely naive to think that Nawaz and Zardari are actually sick.

Bilawal and Maryam both have no futures as PMs. Maryam has already been disqualified with her father. Bilawal is the same man who doesn't have the balls to call out for a proper investigation of his mother's death. Instead of calling for a proper inquiry, he chooses the easy route and blames Musharraf all the time, even if he knows who turned out to be the biggest beneficiary of his mother's assasination.

He has never ever worked in his entire life, he is basically the leader of a political party thanks to his surname just like Maryam, and everyone knows that he was, and he still is living in his father's shadow, and he is forever destined to stay there.

Jahangir Tareen has been disqualified by the Supreme Court for corruption cases, just like Nawaz, Zardari, Maryam and her husband. The difference is that he no longer holds any kind of political position in Imran's party, whereas Nawaz is still called the "president" of the PMLN, and Maryam a PMLN "leader" despite both of them being disqualified for 7 and 10 years respectively.

Mamoon
8th January 2020, 16:03
I see you haven't had the courage to come on the economic thread to reply to my question.

I ignored your question because it was stupid. The problem with Youthopian logic is that they believe that a country’s economy is just like the financial position of a company. That is what they advertised Asad Umar as a financial genius and the solution to Pakistan’s economic woes because of his performance at an MNC, but PTI got a reality check when he was clueless at running the economy of a country and was thus booted out within 8 months.

As a result, Imran Khan had to take another U-turn and hire a former PPP finance minister as his financial advisor. We are told that PPP was extremely corrupt, so what is its financial minister doing in PTI. According to Youthopian logic, as finance minister, was he unaware of the corruption that was going on in PPP government? Was he not complicit?

If he is a man of honesty and integrity, why didn’t he prove to be a whistleblower and why didn’t he resign to avoid facilitating the corruption?

If the Youthopian excuse is that he was unaware of the corruption and the money laundering, then what sort of a finance minister is he? Why was he clueless when his own president was stealing and laundering money?


As you ran from the other thread, tell us on which merit based policy are Billo and Maryam going to lead political parties. They have never done a day's work, one is a convicted fraudster and the other has helped to fleece a trillion rupees from the poor of Sindh who have put so much faith in him.

You do not need to have any particular expertise to be a PM because it is an administrative position. He is basically a manager who employees qualified people in different departments and represents his government at the international level. Hence, both Bilawal and Maryam are qualified for this job, but they are definitely not qualified to the finance ministers or the minister of science and technology for example.

Similarly, Imran is also qualified to be the PM even though he has no academic credentials. He was an average student throughout his life and got into Oxford on a sports seat and barely clearly his exams. During his time at Oxford, his class fellows used to call him “Im the Dim”, because he was clueless in the classroom but brilliant on the cricket pitch.

To be a political leader in Pakistan you need two things: (1) family name and/or (2)fame.

Bilawal and Maryam have the former but Imran had the latter because of his legendary cricket career that he capitalized in politics. A common man cannot rise to the top in Pakistani politics. Someone like Modi would still be selling tea if he wasn’t in India.


Party Funding-I know you also ran from this, there is a theme emerging here, but can you explain what happened when the Nooras and PPP were asked about their funding? Here is a hint, the Nooras produced an A4 sheet( yes you read right) and Billo said you have no authority to ask us. Another total humiliation for you after you have blabbered on about it for ages.

But we are told by cult-followers that PPP and PMLN are corrupt while Imran is an angel who has been spent from the heavens. Hence, it is no surprise that PPP and PMLN were unable to produce satisfactory evidence to prove their funding.

However, since Imran is an angel sent from the heavens whose honesty and integrity cannot be challenged, why is he running from the foreign funding case and why is his party demanding secrecy in investigations? An honest man will never allow his name to be maligned and will never allow people to accuse him. However, since Imran is trying to put a lid on it, it is clear that he is skeletons in the closet.

Now before you predictably ask me why the opposition is not pursuing this case against him, remember there is a time and place for everything. This foreign funding case will get mainstream attention when the military wants. Just like they protected Nawaz and Zardari for years, they are now protecting Imran. however, once they have enough of him, they will use the foreign funding to dispose him.

However, Imran calls himself honest so why doesn’t this honest man clear the allegations and strengthen the conviction that he is honest? Well because he is not.

Mamoon
8th January 2020, 16:03
So if a boxer runs out of the ring and away from a fight, does he or his opponent get humiliated? It has to be and there is a lot to chose, one of your greatest gems. Its interesting that the Nooras and the PPP opposed the FATF legislation in parliament, "leader of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Syed Naveed Qamar termed the bill against the fundamental rights of the citizens of Pakistan, claiming that after passage of the bill, the government would be able to seek information from foreign countries" which citizens hold Foreign accounts and have something to worry about?

Boxer A (Imran) claims that he will not allow Boxer B (Nawaz) to leave the ring and the referee (military) is apparently on his side as well. Boxer A continues to mock Boxer B and promises his fans that he will not allow him to leave the ring.

However, Boxer B makes a deal with the referee who allows him to leave the ring much to the agitation and disappointment of Boxer A who has been made to look weak and powerless.

Imran’s promise of accountability and justice has been nuked because of the fact that Nawaz was allowed to leave the country without paying a penny. The same Nawaz who was rotting in his prison cell is now in London. Is this justice?

Two weeks before Nawaz left, Imran was mocking him and asking his supporters if he should allow him to have an AC in his prison cell or not. However, within two weeks, Imran was left helpless and it was proved that he does not have the authority to deliver justice.

Because of the desperation and the attempts to coverup the humiliation, the paid PTI media stooges quickly invented the $12 billion story but unfortunately they could not sustain it. Ultimately, Imran was left red-faced when Nawaz left the country without paying a rupee.

Now you will ask if me if Imran is a puppet or a dictator because he cannot be both. I agree with you and I have no qualms in acknowledging that I overestimated his power when I called him a dictator at the beginning of his tenure as PM. I was under the misapprehension that when he comes into power, he would try to preserve civil supremacy and will prove to be the first leader since Z. Bhutto to try and keep the military power in check.

However, his shameless U-turn on Musharraf, his shameless U-turn on COAS extension and the way Nawaz left the country clearly proved that he is nothing more than a puppet and the real dictator is still the military establishment. That is why nothing will change for Pakistan and why it will continue to have zero credibility.

Mamoon
8th January 2020, 16:04
One must be extremely naive to think that Nawaz and Zardari are actually sick.

Bilawal and Maryam both have no futures as PMs. Maryam has already been disqualified with her father. Bilawal is the same man who doesn't have the balls to call out for a proper investigation of his mother's death. Instead of calling for a proper inquiry, he chooses the easy route and blames Musharraf all the time, even if he knows who turned out to be the biggest beneficiary of his mother's assasination.

He has never ever worked in his entire life, he is basically the leader of a political party thanks to his surname just like Maryam, and everyone knows that he was, and he still is living in his father's shadow, and he is forever destined to stay there.

Jahangir Tareen has been disqualified by the Supreme Court for corruption cases, just like Nawaz, Zardari, Maryam and her husband. The difference is that he no longer holds any kind of political position in Imran's party, whereas Nawaz is still called the "president" of the PMLN, and Maryam a PMLN "leader" despite both of them being disqualified for 7 and 10 years respectively.

One has to be a master of Youthopian logic to believe that Nawaz and Zardari are healthy stallions. PTI’s own appointed medical team confirmed Nawaz’s deteriorated health.

But what else can one expect from masters of Youthopian logic. They also claimed that Kulsoom Nawaz was faking her disease until they were humiliated when she eventually died because of that disease.

However, it is a different matter that Nawaz decided to slap Imran and his supporters in the face by walking into the plane without a stretcher or a wheelchair. He knew that PTI and its supporters would pick on that and claim that he is faking it, but he made a very clear point - the criticism of PTI and its supporters means nothing to him. He should Imran and PTI their
worth.

Both Bilawal and Maryam will have political futures if they military backs them in the future and they will. Let’s not talk about how Bilawal became the leader of his political party thanks to XYZ reasons.

As I explained to Bewal above, in Pakistan, you can be a political leader because of two reasons only: family name and popularity/influence. That is why unlike in India, a common man cannot hope to reach the top of politics.

Bilawal is where he is today because of his family and that is true, but Imran is also a Prime Minister because he capitalized on his glorious cricket career. Without his status as the most revered cricketer in Pakistan’s history, he wouldn’t have been able to make an impact in politics.

Also, I know that PTI supporters do not have any decency and morality left, but please try to have a shred of decency and not call Bilawal a beneficiary of his mother’s assassination.

No son can ever benefit from his mother’s assassination. It is one of the most painful and heartbreaking experience any son can have in his life. At the end of the day, Bilawal is a human and has emotions. No matter what, Benazir was still his mother.

Would it be appropriate for me to say that Imran also benefited from his mother’s cancer because it helped him establish the SKMH which has greatly boosted his political career?

You should be ashamed of making that point. The fact that you could even think along those lines illustrates how much poison and disgusting hatred Imran has injected in our society and how dangerous his cult-following is.

I don’t think you deserve any further replies after what you said, but I will touch on the Jahangir Tareen point anyway.

PTI used Jahangir Tareen’s money to buy the loyalties of independent candidates after he was disqualified. How is that justified?

Why is his son investing in PSL? Where is the money coming from? He is 22 and only graduated a year or so back. Where did he find the millions to invest in PSL? Of course it is his father’s black money.

As close associate, do you think Imran was unaware of Jahangir Tareen’s sugar mill scam when was using his black money to fund his election campaign, dharnas and to zoom around the country? So can we conclude that Imran is a beneficiary of corruption and that his election campaign was haraam?

Jahangir Tareen is still a very prominent member of PTI in spite of not holding public office. Why didn’t Imran oust him from the party altogether after the verdict of the Supreme Court?

As I said, this whole corruption nonsense is a smoke-screen. Imran himself is a beneficiary of corruption and does not have any problem with it as long as the corruption is done by his friends. He is a con-artist and the biggest fake this country has ever seen.

Bewal Express
8th January 2020, 16:32
Boxer A (Imran) claims that he will not allow Boxer B (Nawaz) to leave the ring and the referee (military) is apparently on his side as well. Boxer A continues to mock Boxer B and promises his fans that he will not allow him to leave the ring.

However, Boxer B makes a deal with the referee who allows him to leave the ring much to the agitation and disappointment of Boxer A who has been made to look weak and powerless.

Imran’s promise of accountability and justice has been nuked because of the fact that Nawaz was allowed to leave the country without paying a penny. The same Nawaz who was rotting in his prison cell is now in London. Is this justice?

Two weeks before Nawaz left, Imran was mocking him and asking his supporters if he should allow him to have an AC in his prison cell or not. However, within two weeks, Imran was left helpless and it was proved that he does not have the authority to deliver justice.

Because of the desperation and the attempts to coverup the humiliation, the paid PTI media stooges quickly invented the $12 billion story but unfortunately they could not sustain it. Ultimately, Imran was left red-faced when Nawaz left the country without paying a rupee.

Now you will ask if me if Imran is a puppet or a dictator because he cannot be both. I agree with you and I have no qualms in acknowledging that I overestimated his power when I called him a dictator at the beginning of his tenure as PM. I was under the misapprehension that when he comes into power, he would try to preserve civil supremacy and will prove to be the first leader since Z. Bhutto to try and keep the military power in check.

However, his shameless U-turn on Musharraf, his shameless U-turn on COAS extension and the way Nawaz left the country clearly proved that he is nothing more than a puppet and the real dictator is still the military establishment. That is why nothing will change for Pakistan and why it will continue to have zero credibility.

But didnt boxer B say that he would rather die than leave the ring? And then boxer B runs like the scary cat that he is, apparently humiliating his opponent as he did it! it makes me chuckle every time i read it.

So another humiliating Uturn from you, IK is not a dictator! That was quick, and you are not even a politician that has to deal with complex asymmetrical issues. What a humiliation and lets be honest, it happens everyday for you. It was only last week you told us that it wasnt NS that made the decision, and then a day later you ran again after you discovered it was him. Anyone with an ounce of credibility would be too embarrassed to post, but not in your case.

Waleed93
8th January 2020, 19:34
One has to be a master of Youthopian logic to believe that Nawaz and Zardari are healthy stallions. PTI’s own appointed medical team confirmed Nawaz’s deteriorated health.

But what else can one expect from masters of Youthopian logic. They also claimed that Kulsoom Nawaz was faking her disease until they were humiliated when she eventually died because of that disease.

However, it is a different matter that Nawaz decided to slap Imran and his supporters in the face by walking into the plane without a stretcher or a wheelchair. He knew that PTI and its supporters would pick on that and claim that he is faking it, but he made a very clear point - the criticism of PTI and its supporters means nothing to him. He should Imran and PTI their
worth.

Both Bilawal and Maryam will have political futures if they military backs them in the future and they will. Let’s not talk about how Bilawal became the leader of his political party thanks to XYZ reasons.

As I explained to Bewal above, in Pakistan, you can be a political leader because of two reasons only: family name and popularity/influence. That is why unlike in India, a common man cannot hope to reach the top of politics.

Bilawal is where he is today because of his family and that is true, but Imran is also a Prime Minister because he capitalized on his glorious cricket career. Without his status as the most revered cricketer in Pakistan’s history, he wouldn’t have been able to make an impact in politics.

Also, I know that PTI supporters do not have any decency and morality left, but please try to have a shred of decency and not call Bilawal a beneficiary of his mother’s assassination.

No son can ever benefit from his mother’s assassination. It is one of the most painful and heartbreaking experience any son can have in his life. At the end of the day, Bilawal is a human and has emotions. No matter what, Benazir was still his mother.

Would it be appropriate for me to say that Imran also benefited from his mother’s cancer because it helped him establish the SKMH which has greatly boosted his political career?

You should be ashamed of making that point. The fact that you could even think along those lines illustrates how much poison and disgusting hatred Imran has injected in our society and how dangerous his cult-following is.

I don’t think you deserve any further replies after what you said, but I will touch on the Jahangir Tareen point anyway.

PTI used Jahangir Tareen’s money to buy the loyalties of independent candidates after he was disqualified. How is that justified?

Why is his son investing in PSL? Where is the money coming from? He is 22 and only graduated a year or so back. Where did he find the millions to invest in PSL? Of course it is his father’s black money.

As close associate, do you think Imran was unaware of Jahangir Tareen’s sugar mill scam when was using his black money to fund his election campaign, dharnas and to zoom around the country? So can we conclude that Imran is a beneficiary of corruption and that his election campaign was haraam?

Jahangir Tareen is still a very prominent member of PTI in spite of not holding public office. Why didn’t Imran oust him from the party altogether after the verdict of the Supreme Court?

As I said, this whole corruption nonsense is a smoke-screen. Imran himself is a beneficiary of corruption and does not have any problem with it as long as the corruption is done by his friends. He is a con-artist and the biggest fake this country has ever seen.

Nobody is saying that Nawaz or Zardari are healthy stallions. They are around 70 years old and their health issues are surely there for everyone to see. However, to say and actually believe that both of them require foreign treatment to stay alive, someone just doesn't have to be naive, but also blind and delusional. They surely don't need to go the USA or the UK to recover from their diseases.

Only a minority of fools claimed that Kulsoom was faking her disease. She was ill and most of the PTI supporters knew it.

You are celebrating the fact that Nawaz somehow ran away from Pakistan, while ignoring two things :

1. The same Nawaz and his party (family) promised their loyal supporters to stay in Pakistan and to die in Pakistan if required, but to never make a deal with anybody. However, when things got tough for him, he ran away at the first opportunity, making a fool of his blind supporters who thought Nawaz was "the only leader who could stand up against the Army."

2. Nawaz running away from the country is another proof that Imran has well and truly ended his political career. He may or may never come back to Pakistan, but his political career is finished, and it doesn't matter if you keep calling him the "President of the PMLN."

Bilawal and Maryam being future leaders is as true as Nawaz and Zardari being clean and honest. The military doesn't need to back them in the future, as they already have started to lick boots, taking U-turns after U-turns and bringing nothing but shame to their fans who used to see them as some kind of democratic heroes. So much for that "vote ko izzat do" slogan for all these years.

Imran didn't use anybody else's name or influence to come into politics. He retired from cricket, worked as a philanthrophist, built his cancer hospitals, struggled for 17 years before making an impact in the 2013 elections and eventually winning in 2018. There is world of difference between his career, and Bilawal or Maryam's careers who have nothing to do with their struggles, but certainly have a lot to do with their parents' names.

Finally, you should be the one feeling ashamed. Instead of reading my post with hatred and frustration, try to read it while using your brains for once. When I spoke about the man who benefited the most of Benazir's death, I was obviously talking about Zardari and not Bilawal. Bilawal is at fault where he doesn't have the guts to call for a proper investigation of his mother's death, despite being the chairman of a huge party like PPP. But of course, you have a habit of talking nonsense without thinking logically. Who would blame someone's assasination on his/her son ? On topic, Zardari was the one who turned out to be the biggest beneficiary of her death, and the fact that he didn't start an inquiry despite being in power for 5 long years is enough to understand it.

Next time, try to use your own brains before accusing anybody of making disgusting arguments. What Imran has done against family corruption is certainly hurting you and it is clearly visible in your posts as you are typing with frustration and hatred for him, and while doing so, you are not being able to understand what should be said and what should not be said.

Waleed93
8th January 2020, 19:39
But didnt boxer B say that he would rather die than leave the ring? And then boxer B runs like the scary cat that he is, apparently humiliating his opponent as he did it! it makes me chuckle every time i read it.

So another humiliating Uturn from you, IK is not a dictator! That was quick, and you are not even a politician that has to deal with complex asymmetrical issues. What a humiliation and lets be honest, it happens everyday for you. It was only last week you told us that it wasnt NS that made the decision, and then a day later you ran again after you discovered it was him. Anyone with an ounce of credibility would be too embarrassed to post, but not in your case.

The same Nawaz who apparently was the only leader who could stand up against the Army ran away at the first opportunity to save his behind, leaving his delusional fans in shame, and making them believe like he actually won against Imran.

Bewal Express
9th January 2020, 00:54
I ignored your question because it was stupid. The problem with Youthopian logic is that they believe that a country’s economy is just like the financial position of a company. That is what they advertised Asad Umar as a financial genius and the solution to Pakistan’s economic woes because of his performance at an MNC, but PTI got a reality check when he was clueless at running the economy of a country and was thus booted out within 8 months.

As a result, Imran Khan had to take another U-turn and hire a former PPP finance minister as his financial advisor. We are told that PPP was extremely corrupt, so what is its financial minister doing in PTI. According to Youthopian logic, as finance minister, was he unaware of the corruption that was going on in PPP government? Was he not complicit?

If he is a man of honesty and integrity, why didn’t he prove to be a whistleblower and why didn’t he resign to avoid facilitating the corruption?

If the Youthopian excuse is that he was unaware of the corruption and the money laundering, then what sort of a finance minister is he? Why was he clueless when his own president was stealing and laundering money?



You do not need to have any particular expertise to be a PM because it is an administrative position. He is basically a manager who employees qualified people in different departments and represents his government at the international level. Hence, both Bilawal and Maryam are qualified for this job, but they are definitely not qualified to the finance ministers or the minister of science and technology for example.

Similarly, Imran is also qualified to be the PM even though he has no academic credentials. He was an average student throughout his life and got into Oxford on a sports seat and barely clearly his exams. During his time at Oxford, his class fellows used to call him “Im the Dim”, because he was clueless in the classroom but brilliant on the cricket pitch.

To be a political leader in Pakistan you need two things: (1) family name and/or (2)fame.

Bilawal and Maryam have the former but Imran had the latter because of his legendary cricket career that he capitalized in politics. A common man cannot rise to the top in Pakistani politics. Someone like Modi would still be selling tea if he wasn’t in India.



But we are told by cult-followers that PPP and PMLN are corrupt while Imran is an angel who has been spent from the heavens. Hence, it is no surprise that PPP and PMLN were unable to produce satisfactory evidence to prove their funding.

However, since Imran is an angel sent from the heavens whose honesty and integrity cannot be challenged, why is he running from the foreign funding case and why is his party demanding secrecy in investigations? An honest man will never allow his name to be maligned and will never allow people to accuse him. However, since Imran is trying to put a lid on it, it is clear that he is skeletons in the closet.

Now before you predictably ask me why the opposition is not pursuing this case against him, remember there is a time and place for everything. This foreign funding case will get mainstream attention when the military wants. Just like they protected Nawaz and Zardari for years, they are now protecting Imran. however, once they have enough of him, they will use the foreign funding to dispose him.

However, Imran calls himself honest so why doesn’t this honest man clear the allegations and strengthen the conviction that he is honest? Well because he is not.

Dear me a long winded write up to avoid constant humiliation after running for a year from the economic thread.
So we have an essay on the economy without any mention of economic policy. Its not even funny that a guy that has an open mouth on all subjects has no idea what a current account deficit is and what's its importance is to understanding the whole economic mess. You have avoided answering a simple question, which has been posed to you and other losers as to why PK had to go to the IMF, you cannot explain why the Rupee depreciated and its link to deficit where exports dropped to $23bn and imports increased to 60bn, at a time when our single biggest import oil was at the $35-40 per barrel. Instead your only answer was to focus on Asad Umer and why he was removed. The question is about policy and the policy wasn't changed. Again I challenge you to tell us if the 2 policies are different . Some glib statement about govt not being business and then giving no details as to what he did wrong because you are trying to sound clever without any idea of what you are writing. He was replaced at the behest of the IMF and many of us felt that it was the wrong decision.
I know you suffer from dishonest amnesia but the PPP replaced their Finance Minister 4 times, but like most of your posts, it doesn't fit in with your narrative so you decided to ignore. You said that IK should have not chosen Hafeez because he was corrupt, as you say the PPP was corrupt, thanks for acknowledging inadvertently and btw these are the people you want in power. I am sure the readers will make up their mind as to the stupidity of advocating people that you know to be corrupt. . As far as HS is concerned, you assertion that he must be corrupt because he was part of a corrupt govt would be true if anyone actually alleged that he was, and so far I haven't seen anything. Please post any sources. He was the Finance Minister, he decides how money is to be raised and spent. I know in your simple mind, you also think he spends that money but he gives it to govt dept and they spend it, not him. Lol

Your best bit is on Billo and Maryam. It has to take a special warped mind to justify the elevation of 2 corrupt, talentless people to lead political parties because wait for
It, its a administrative post. Even, if we are to accept that its an administrative post, what have they ever done in their lives that shows any acumen in admin field. Have they led a project? Billo has led the PPP party for 10 years and we have had the omni group laundering and a trillion go missing. Tell us where those administration skills were? And Maryam got $70mn from the Obama administration for girls education, where were these admin skills. Another epic fail.
Your biggest humiliation is over the Foreign funding. You told us that the PTI was hiding and I challenged you about the Nooras and as normal, you ran. Well the election commission asked a few questions and guess what? Well you know what happened. All 3 parties have questions to answer but the PTI is the only one that has accounts audited.
I know you have time to write long essays because my tax means that you earn money for doing nothing. So come on the economic thread and be a man. We will discuss in detail your lack of anything approaching economic literacy.