Offical discussion thread - Pak v W.I (semi final) [31/01/05]

[Amjid Javed]

Its a do or die game. winner takes all. place all pre-during-after match discussion on here.

|-J

[Amjid Javed]

pakistan record @ perth v west indies

played 6 - won 2 lost 4

any team news noddy bhai?

Umar, I have made it a sticky thread, so that fewer simialr types of threads are started before the match.

[Schiller]

Sounds good with me

[Amjid Javed]

wers noddy bhai 2day?

[Fessal]

I back Pakistan to win as Lara cant perform everyday. Although Windies arent a one man team and have many good players Pak I think have better all round team but are pathetic in the field. Windies are like kids in the field too and not so professional.

Pakistan should have the edge as they have more experiece of playing on the bouncy Wacca wicket, having played a Test and ODI already.
Confidence with victory over Australia will be a big boost for morale, and with key players in form with both bat and ball: Razzaq, Afridi, Inzy and now Yohanna. Pakistan should win if they can dismiss Lara early.

If Lara repeats that kind of performance again, we could struggle...

Only change should be Kamran in place of YK.

[Hash]

yep, should be just the one change. Bring in Kamran Akmal for Younis Khan. Given that we have played in Perth the other day and spent much time here at the beginning of the tour and given that we have just beaten Australia, we should win this game but that is only on paper.

Cricket is not played on paper it is played on grass and in pakistan's case any talk of what should happen on paper is meaningless.

Inshallah we will win just keep fingers crossed! Then we can have a party on Thursday night.

[tahaqureshi]

y not wednesday night :oD

Pakistan should have the edge as they have more experiece of playing on the bouncy Wacca wicket, having played a Test and ODI already.
Confidence with victory over Australia will be a big boost for morale, and with key players in form with both bat and ball: Razzaq, Afridi, Inzy and now Yohanna. Pakistan should win if they can dismiss Lara early.

If Lara repeats that kind of performance again, we could struggle...

Only change should be Kamran in place of YK.

Great post. That just about sums it up. Though I think team selection could prove crucial today

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/4222157.stm

Lara injury worry for West Indies

West Indies are hoping skipper Brian Lara will be fit to play against Pakistan in Tuesday's VB Series game with a place in the finals at stake.

Lara is expected to play in Perth despite a wrist injury, with the winners taking on hosts Australia.

Pedro Collins (thigh strain) and Ramnesh Sarwan (bruised elbow) are also injury concerns for the Windies.

Pakistan are without leading bastman Younis Khan, who has flown home following the death of his father.

Their skipper Inzamam-ul-Haq believes the three-wicket victory over Australia in Perth on Sunday will give his side the upper hand.

He said: "Definitely we have the advantage because we have played one Test match and played in Perth for 15 or 16 days before that.

"This track is totally different and West Indies are playing for the first time here.

"This win has definitely helped us for the coming games. Hopefully we will play the final and we will win," he added.

Inzamam is wary of the in-form Lara after he belted 156 off 138 balls in a victory over Pakistan in Adelaide last Friday.

We've got some batsmen that have played here and we know exactly what the track is doing

Brian Lara

But he said his team had bowled better against Australia and warned Lara would need to be on top of his game with medium-pace bowler Naved-ul-Hasan and all-rounder Abdul Razzaq showing better form.

"I think he realises the bowling was not good in the last game. I think especially Naved and Razzaq have worked hard in the nets and they are good here."

Lara conceded Pakistan may have the advantage but pointed out there were plenty of players within the West Indies squad, including himself, who had played at the Waca ground before.

"We've got some batsmen that have played here and we know exactly what the track is doing," said Lara.

"It is more a mental game than the physical side and who has had more experience at the Waca.

"What I am worried about with Pakistan is that they are going to be playing three games in five days," he said.

"Hopefully that can play on their mind and we will have a tired bunch."

[Shayan]

what time is it starting?

[Amjid Javed]

0230am uk time.

i just hope pakistan field and catch better then they did v australia!

[QT]

Does anyone know of any free video link for this match?

[MIG]

Hope Pak can show some more of the same character they showed against Aus !! And NO MORE DROPPED CATCHES!! Plz!

I am off to sleep now - hopefully when I wakeup ( in about 7-8 hours ) , Pak will be playing with passion!

Good Night!

On the link I gave for the article about Lara's wrist injury, it says that the game starts at 0315

[Hash]

cricinfo which is pretty reliable says 2.30am

[Awesome Anjum]

I would play the following team;
Butt
Taufeeq Umar
Hameed
Inzamam
Youhana
Malik
Razzaq
Afridi
Akmal
Iftikhar
Rana
Mohd. Khalil

I think one of the key men for Pakistan in this match will be mohd. khalil. the windies rely on their left hand bats to provide thema solid foundation in the middle of the innings and we all saw how well mohd. khalil bowled with the old ball to the lefties. if he can get that hint of outswing with the good line/length he bowls the windies are in for a torrid time!

[pakistani pride]

Lets hope !

I do feel that it will be close but pakistan have more depth.....

[Geordie Ahmed]

AA you have picked 12 players

[Amjid Javed]

hopefully no1 will notice hey AA bhai, lol!

Has Younis Khan already gone to Pakistan or is he still available for selection?

[Officer Barbrady]

Younis has left for Pakistan.

[Uzi]

Salam guys, is the match starting at 3:30 am (GMT) ?

[Karchie19]

2.30am uk time

We have to remember to bowl the same length we did last game - More Yorkers - Less short stuff !!!

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

my team
s butt
t umar
s malik
yoyo
inzi
razzaq
akmal
afridi
rana
rao
khalil

[Fessal]

My team:

Salman
Taufeeq/Yasir
YoYo
Inzy
Shoaib M
Razzaq
Akmal
Afridi
Rana
Khalil
Rao

[tahaqureshi]

well i think everyone has more or less the same team..with the difference in opinion occuring at the opening positions..

whether we go with taufeeq/butt, hameed/butt or taufeeq/hameed...it doesn't really matter...either ONE will make a century or BOTH will fail leaving us at 30/2...it doesn't matter really..

[Lightning]

How much more time until the match starts?

[Naveed]

Windies win toss, Pakistan to bat

[tahaqureshi]

is that a good thing?

[Civil]

i dont think so TQ Windies have an excellent record chasing.

I was hoping we would field first

[w4s1m786]

west indies are top chasers so we need to put up a big score for our first bowlers to defend. (my first post on this site)

[tahaqureshi]

yea..but u never know..with the injuries plaguing the windies...

maybe we can come out on top...

[tahaqureshi]

maybe 320+????

we are definitely capable of it as it was not our batting that has been affected by injuries..

and we can also argue that since the windies have not put up a score yet..our batsmen won't have that much pressure...

[tahaqureshi]

team announced:


Pakistan team:
Salman Butt, Yasir Hameed, +Kamran Akmal, Yousuf Youhana,
*Inzamam-ul-Haq, Shoaib Malik, Abdul Razzaq, Shahid Afridi,
Naved-ul-Hasan, Iftikhar Anjum, Mohammad Khalil.

[Civil]

InshAllah we will,
Is Akmal opening??

[Naveed]

No real surprises although the order seems strange

[Civil]

Akmal is coming out to open

[Civil]

Akmal is coming out to open

[161]

Very Important toss to win for WI, they have a big advantage now batting second.

[the true passionist]

well the windies have a good record chasing!!!
especially lately...
they like to bat...
i dont think pakistan will have a chance if the score under 285...

I think I posted this in the wrong thread...

Brian Lara...the chciken captain batting at 4!!! why doesnt he lead from the front and set the tone for the innings???

perhaps the resident armchair critics Amjid Javed and Amit Mishra could enlighten us because I am baffled by this decision!

[tahaqureshi]

definitely...

unless we hold on to every catch :oD

and just for note again..

audio link: http://www.abc.net.au/streaming/events/live720.asx

[tahaqureshi]

rudi umpiring!!!!!!

and some guy named steve davis

[the true passionist]

solid start and big hitting r the key!

[tahaqureshi]

yasir is coming in at three...

has he ever played in any position apart from opening?

[tahaqureshi]

in ODI's

[the true passionist]

well i dont think there's a big difference b/w 1,2,3

[tahaqureshi]

we have started off slowly but steadily

[tahaqureshi]

salman just pulled a mistimed shot..could have easily been caught out

[the true passionist]

3 overs 10/0
steady start by both sides
no great movement
windies r pitching it up
nice nd straight

[tahaqureshi]

looks like its only u and me posting, the true passionist

[sajjad]

solid start

we shud look forward to a high score

[DM]

I always like it when we bat first because there is no upper limit to the runs can potentially make

[the true passionist]

11/0 4 overs

[the true passionist]

taha others have joined in

[the true passionist]

what should be a good score in first 15 overs
i think 75/1 should be a solid platform

[tahaqureshi]

well anything better will be more than welcome

btw..where do many of u guyz live..i believe it most be late at night for most?

[sajjad]

pak RR 4

we shud work on improving that now
keeping wickets is imp but runs r also vital

[the true passionist]

well taha it is 7 pm PST in USA

[tahaqureshi]

i agree with DM

i hope we can smash the windies out of the park..

although no need to smash rite now and risk losing wickets

[Amjid Javed]

guys this is the discussion thread

[sajjad]

a quick suggestion for brother tahaiqureshi

bro, canu make ur signatue pic smaller
it makes borwsing the thread much easier that way.

ill appreciate it man, and im sure many others will as well

[the true passionist]

KAMRAN seems to be over cautious...
he is defending the straight balls

[Amjid Javed]

add score updates 2 other thread plz

[tahaqureshi]

kamran just touched and ball went so high and far...

[DM]

True Tahai, and with Lara playing we also need to score big here.

I hope we outdo their score last time.

[tahaqureshi]

ALMOST OUT!!!!!!

[tahaqureshi]

well i guess i have been proved wrong by butt and akmal...

they are not 30/2 :oD

[Amjid Javed]

taha, keep scoring to other thread plz bhai

[tahaqureshi]

alrite..sorry..

and i have talked about the signatrue on the other thread

[tahaqureshi]

DM -> my name is TAHA...let everyone know now..

i think i should change my nick name :oD

[161]

going way to slow- these guys need to pick up the pace.

[tahaqureshi]

i agree...
field restrictions will lift soon and then we will be disadvantaged

[tahaqureshi]

OUT!!!!!!

salman was not playng properly..

[tahaqureshi]

well runrate is too low

[DM]

:oD sorry Taha!

And agreed, we need to hit more boundaries, make use of the fielding restrictions.

[Bailan]

Butt on a Fast Farword route to becoming hameed

[tahaqureshi]

well hameed will show what he really is today :oD

[tahaqureshi]

KAMRAN GOES FOR 17!!!!!!

thank God, maybe now the runrate can increase

[Amjid Javed]

thank god? bit of a silly thing to say!

[Amjid Javed]

Lossing wickets aint gona increase run rate!

[tahaqureshi]

dude i was kidding...

[DM]

he means that hopefully someone will score faster than Akmal

[161]

We will never in my life time have decent openers!!!!

[Officer Barbrady]

Poor cricket by Yasser, playing across the line. Anyhow, Inzi and Youhana in the middle and we need a partnership.

should the ball still be swinging so much?

Inzi and youhana showing great commitment here. batting well under trying circumstances!

[Kean0]

Usual story, top order does jack ****, and inzy and yoyo are in to build a platform.

[161]

after 30 overs pak heading towards approx 250- i dont think it will be ebough !!!

[Kean0]

We at 130 after 30, are u caliming we wont double that score atleat? With afridi and Razzq to come?

[Officer Barbrady]

Youhana beaten 5 times by Bravo in 2 overs. May be it is our lucky day!

[Kean0]

Is this a discussion board? or an update of whats going on board?

Is this a discussion board? or an update of whats going on board?

more ike a discussion on whats going on :-)

[Civil]

Guys thanks to Lara's miscalculation

Our two leaders will be facing part timers.

Collins nad king are done there 10 overs

[Sage]

Time for Yoyo to retire early and let Afridi come in for a few ;-)

[Sage]

No just one more over from a part-timer (Hinds)

[Sage]

Uh oh!

[Sage]

Razzaq gone!

[tahaqureshi]

afridi really needs to fire now..

razzaq is out

[Sage]

If Afridi stays til the end, we'll be well in the 300s

[tahaqureshi]

6!!!!!!!!

[Civil]

WOOOHOOOO

SIX!!!

[tahaqureshi]

yoyo needs to turn over the strike and let afridi to his business

[tahaqureshi]

and thats what he's done!!!!!

yes..c'mon afridi

[Sage]

Bradshaw and Bravo should be very nervous

[Sage]

SIX!!!!!!!!!

[tahaqureshi]

very very selfless batting by yoyo..

very impressed

[Sage]

AFFERS GONE

[Sage]

Yoyo on 97
Malik on strike vs Bravo

[Sage]

YoYo 100!!!!!!!!!!

[tahaqureshi]

cricinfo's commentary when yoyo got 100

48.2 Bravo to Yousuf Youhana, one run, steps forward to push the ball through the off side and bring up his fifty

[Sage]

Yoyo run out

[sajjad]

HEY GUYS

THIS IS THE DISCUSSION THREAD
AS IN LONGER MORE DETAILED POSTS SHOULD BE MADE HERE

POSTS ABOUT SCORES AND MATCH COMMENTARY SHOULD BE MADE ON THE OTHER THREAD. THANKS

[Sage]

Gayle GONE!!!!!!!

[badxhah]

Sarwan playin good here

[Sage]

Rana bowling extremely well here

[Sage]

Rao taking the extras crown from Rana
Agree with Badxhah, Sarwan playing very well

[sajjad]

im sure sarwan will fall to an edge to slip off rao soon

[Sage]

Hoping Khalil finally impresses us

[Sage]

4 from PowPowPowell

[Sage]

Rao bowling short
Bring in Khalil

[Sage]

Rana bowling phenomenal right now
GO NAVEED!!!!

[MIG]

Khalil is our trump card against Left handed batsman - must be brought on - although this is a nightmare scenario for Inzi as one of his frontlline bowler is getting pummelled!

[sajjad]

rao will make it thru soon enuf
rana really bowling his heart out

[sajjad]

khalil bowls a lot better to left handers
he shud come after the fall of another wicket

but i guess we dont want rao to be too discouraged

[Sage]

Khalil beats Powell
Nice one!

[tahaqureshi]

well i want to ask..

y are we bowling os short?

[Officer Barbrady]

Excellent fielding by Rana jee in the deep. Well done. Bowling at 91 miles and fielding well too. Great commitment.

[tahaqureshi]

even if the run rate remains at 5 its ok..

cuz the REQUIRED RUN RATE will increase very fast..

and that is wat really matters for us rite now..

[tahaqureshi]

khalil bowling well

[Sage]

Oh man is Rana good today

[Sage]

Rana bowling well but bowls one short
hit for 4 by Sarwan

[Sage]

Oh Man
Khalil's getting slaughtered by Sarwan

[MIG]

If they are still 100/1 then panic stations - there is no way they can be contained - Pak must reduce them to 150/5 to have a reasonable chance

[sajjad]

sarwan batting reall well here

a wkt can change that very quickly!!!

[sajjad]

cmon Pakistan

wicket le lo ab inkee

[Sage]

Nice four from Powell

[Sage]

POWELL GONE!!!

[MIG]

Khalil or Rao need to sort themselves out here ! Too much pressure on Rana

[tahaqureshi]

rana is just wonderful

although runrate is too high..

we need to take advantage of this wicket by considerably lowering the runrate

[sajjad]

chalo jee khalil kee baree
he will get Lara

[MIG]

Just reward for Rana - well done - he impresses me more with every outing

[tahaqureshi]

well khalil is bowling well too...

[tahaqureshi]

rajjaq bai in...haha :oD

[Sage]

Popeye smacked for FOUR by the elegant Sarwan

[sajjad]

this pair looking good

shabaash Pakistan
show us your true worth

[badxhah]

LARA NAY MARA

[Officer Barbrady]

Khalil bowling better today.
Lara is also looking in good touch. If these two stick around they can run away with the match. We will need to take whatever half chances we get.

Man amazing shots by Lara. A real exhibition of batting on show by these two.

[MIG]

I am afraid, the game is slipping away - We dont have enough firepower to bother the WIs - if we cant contain Lara then its leather chase for our fielders - also the run rate is too high - if we cant take wickets, we should stop the scoring - cant have it both ways...

[sajjad]

haaha @ badshah
maara acha hai waisay

but abhee giray ga doobara
aur out karay ga bowler hamara

[Sage]

This is not looking good

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

we need a couple of quick wickets, the afridi has to come on now/ and i would consider butt to

[Officer Barbrady]

The conditions are perfect for batting so containing is obviously difficult. On top of that, there are two world class players (one a genius) in the middle who are in very good touch.

[pakistani pride]

This is where you miss your strike bowlers....

[sajjad]

these guys are looking good
our bowlers are trying but the batsmen our proving themselves better

neways one mistake and we cud be back into it
200 more runs are still required at almost the same rate as they are going right now.

maybe some tight spin bowling can do the damage
time for some The Afridi power

[Sage]

LARA GONE!!!!!!!!!!

[sajjad]

Khalil gets the big OONE
thats a big step for pakistan

well done boys
c'mon get the wickets tumbling now

[MIG]

slowly slipping away, if only for one or 2 pieces of inspired cricket ( a run out or a brilliant catch ), game is gone. I do not see WI facing any challenge from any bowler.

Also, what I hate to see is the wheels coming off Pakistans bowling attack - the no balls, wides etc they need to learn to fight til the last ball!

[MIG]

WTH was i talking about there !! Lara Gone to Khalil !!!!

[Sage]

|-H

MIG :?d

[tahaqureshi]

well the runrate is calming down as expected after a good wicket like that of lara's...

i hope it continues

[MIG]

Just testing you guys - good to see you all on your toes.... :o^

[Sage]

The Turtle content with dot balls.

Don't get him out!!

[Sage]

MIG: I expect another brilliant article with you as the subject of ridicule

[pakistani pride]

Razzaq needs to get a wicket !!!!

[Sage]

Brilliant fielding from Rana!

[Sage]

Almost another runout...
Hafeez misses the stumps

[MIG]

I am about to go into my shell here - my powers of dishing OUT ridicule do not extend to ridiculing my self !

I leave that to you Sage - I am a broken man |-S

[Sage]

As long as you are down...
http://killebien.free.fr/gif/yo_kick02.gif

[Sage]

Odd shot for 4 by Sarwan

[sajjad]

time for THE AFIDI

[tahaqureshi]

do u guyz think we have a chance??

i have no idea because this is a very odd position..

windies have good runrate but very few batsmen left

[sajjad]

rao is coming back
shabaash rao
chaa jao!!....lol

[Sage]

4 from The Turtle

[sajjad]

ouch for razzaq

and slip could have changed rao's woes too

[Sage]

Another 4 by Chanderpaul
Sweet shot

[Khalil]

Stop insulting turtles :)

[Sage]

Affers is in

[Sage]

Hello there Khalil
Married yet or enjoying your freedom?

[Sage]

Sarwan smacks 4

[Sage]

Salman drops Sarwan

[Sage]

Salman on

[Sage]

6!!!

[sajjad]

that was a big chance missed by butt

we need to bring rana back

[Officer Barbrady]

Yes that drop can be costly

[Sage]

Salman not bowling
Razzaq is on

[Sage]

More brilliant fielding from Rana

[Sage]

4 from Chanderpaul

[Sage]

Another 4
Oh man

[sajjad]

we need a wicket now
but who will get it

none of our bowlers look like taking a wicket at all

[MIG]

The WI playing well - no demons on this pitch - just tells you that we should have put on atleast another 50 runs to put real pressure on WI...

Having said that , even 1 wicket at this stage can change the balance...

[Sage]

Nice fluent 50 from Chanderpaul

[sajjad]

MIG i think we did well to get to the score we did

we shud get credit to the WI's for batting well and perhaps rue the fact we dont have better bowlers in our side. these guys arent bad, but theres nothing like a mcgrath, lee or gillespie and also that catch of sarwan was crucial

neways, a wicket now can still change things around
but its looking unlikely as these guys are playing very easily

[Sage]

Nice 4 from Sarwan
84*

[Sage]

Same bowlers after drinks

[MIG]

True Sajjad. but I do think that not moving Afridi up the order was a mistake ..

Having said all that , its difficult to accept that our bowling is just not good enough - the same bowling attack bowled Aus out for under 270 !

We are simply not consistent in our bowling - as long as things are going our way we are fine - the moment things go against script, our bowers/fielders are clueless - thats where experience come in - hope BW and Inzi can sort this out before India !

[Sage]

SARWAN OUT!!

[sajjad]

yeah we did do really well against ther aussies
but although so far our bowling hasntg been that impressive
credit shud be given to some smart batting from WI

still some cricket left lets see how it goes

im off from the forum for tonight

GOOD LUCK PAKISTAN

[Sage]

Brilliant glovework from Akmal

[MIG]

EEEEKKK !!! Me and my big mouth !!!

[Sage]

Dammit, 4 from Chandu

[Sage]

Rana should be brought back to get a wicket or two

[Sage]

CHANDU OUT CAUGHT BY INZI!!!!!!

[MIG]

you must be kidding !! WOW !!! Cricinfo has gone into coma !

[Sage]

Well actually ;-?

[Sage]

Told you guys to keep faith
Sarwan and Chanderpaul just giving away their wickets

[Sage]

Appeal for LBW, close call

[exuberance]

200 up...

[MIG]

Pak must take control of the run rate from now on...Do WI have enuff batting power or will we give the game away - already see the effects of the 2 wickets with asking rate approaching 7

[Sage]

Bits and pieces batsmen are in but it depends on our how well we bowl

[Sage]

BRAVO BOWLED!!!!!

[Sage]

Horrific batting from the Windies
Taking away the most self-destructive team title from Pakistan

[exuberance]

is Brown a good batsman?

[MIG]

This is unbelievable - Bob the Barbarian and the Battle of VeeBee!!!

[Sage]

He's decent
Is capable of building a partnership
Was crucial in the ICCKO win

[Sage]

Almost a run out
Khalil's throw not good enough

[Sage]

Good running from Rana to save the 4

[Sage]

Browne nearly bowled

[MIG]

req run rate going north - good news for Pak - more pressure on WI - but that can change in one bad over for Pak - must not give away any boundaries

[Sage]

Great dive from Malik

[Sage]

Missed runout and an overthrow
Batsman not even paying attention

[Sage]

Nice chip shot from Hinds

[exuberance]

match is still on boys!

[MIG]

does anyone remember the 2 not out WI bats in the ICC finals ? who were they ?

[Officer Barbrady]

Bring Rana on for Rao. Why do we have two threads for basically the same purpose?

[Sage]

Browne and Bradshaw

Bradshaw still to come

[Sage]

Another 4

[MIG]

Why does Rao give away so many runs - if he can only contain - Afridi will take the wickets!

[Sage]

Bring Rana in for an over or two!

[Sage]

Khalil is back

[Officer Barbrady]

Khalil coming on I guess Inzi won't use Rana till the end.

[Sage]

Malik misfield costs a run

[Sage]

Khalil bowling too short here

[exuberance]

74 off 10 is very much possible..

Rana needs to bowl an over RITE NOW!!

[Sage]

Browne with another 4

[Sage]

Another 4 out of Hameed's reach

[exuberance]

*ouch*

[Sage]

Misfield from Inzi

[exuberance]

this is going down to the wire..

[Sage]

Now we're self-destructing

[Sage]

Browne lucky
Khalil misses an easy runout attempt

[exuberance]

oooooooo!

[Sage]

RANA RETURNS!!

[Sage]

More brilliant fielding off his own bowling by Rana

[Sage]

More quick fieldwork from Rana

[MIG]

Go Rana Go Rana !!

[exuberance]

It seems its gonna do down to the last over..
Rana shudve come from the other end so that he could bowl the last over...

superb fielding by Rana..
only if Shoaib Actor was half as determined as this guy..great over by Rana