The Chase: Ponting Versus Team India

[Random Aussie]

Ricky Ponting, 105 Test wins, 30 Test losses

India 112 Test wins, 146 Test losses

Assuming we win in Adelaide and it is possible to win 4-0 in the WI (but unlikely), Ponting would be 2 Test wins behind the nation of India.

Unfortunately we dont play Test cricket again until November, and India have a few series at home so sadly I dont think Ponting will overtake the whole nation....but he has gone amazingly close. Fair effort that.

[kingusama92]

:))

Just shows how good Australia has been in Ponting's time.

Pure domination.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Lol!

That is unbelievable

[Ashraful_Rox]

hahahaha :yk

Wow

Ponting has less losses so clearly we have a winner. Sir Ricky Ponting :don>>>>>>> India :sachin

[OZGOD]

Ricky Ponting, 105 Test wins, 30 Test losses

India 112 Test wins, 146 Test losses

Assuming we win in Adelaide and it is possible to win 4-0 in the WI (but unlikely), Ponting would be 2 Test wins behind the nation of India.

Unfortunately we dont play Test cricket again until November, and India have a few series at home so sadly I dont think Ponting will overtake the whole nation....but he has gone amazingly close. Fair effort that.

I think Ponting will have to wait a couple of years to overtake the nation of India, since the nation of India will be playing at home on pitches flatter than naan bread for the next two years.

[SwingNSeam]

Impressive stat. Punter is def. a legend!

[Kwremb]

:)) :)) :)) Now I know why Punter stopped chasing Sachin, he went for the bigger fish - the whole Indian nation :))) :))) :)))

[PakPrince]

is Ponting's win ratio the highest for any player ever?

[farazaidi]

quite an incredible stat this :manzoor

India is 7th on the list in terms of W/L ratio, Pak is 3rd :)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;orderby=win_loss_ratio;template =results;type=team

[W63L35]

Ricky Ponting, 105 Test wins, 30 Test losses

India 112 Test wins, 146 Test losses

Assuming we win in Adelaide and it is possible to win 4-0 in the WI (but unlikely), Ponting would be 2 Test wins behind the nation of India.

Unfortunately we dont play Test cricket again until November, and India have a few series at home so sadly I dont think Ponting will overtake the whole nation....but he has gone amazingly close. Fair effort that.

Along the same lines....
Sachin 53 test losses.... Zimbabwe 51!
Sachin 248 losses ..... Bangladesh 263 losses in all three formats!

[AZ]

:)) :)) :)) Now I know why Punter stopped chasing Sachin, he went for the bigger fish - the whole Indian nation :))) :))) :)))

LOL!

http://www.northwestlongboarding.com/nwlb/images/forum/333thread_win.jpg

[Watsupdoc]

quite an incredible stat this :manzoor

India is 7th on the list in terms of W/L ratio, Pak is 3rd :)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;orderby=win_loss_ratio;template =results;type=team

Going by that link he is already above New Zealand and Sri Lanka. Now close to being above both Pak and India! :O

[Monsee]

On the Pak vs India front:

Pak has won the same number of tests as India i.e. 112 but Pak did that in almost 100 less tests

Pak has lost only 100 of the tests played vs 146 for India

Indian team jindabaad...Pakistan who?

[ninjafirstslip]

Then they have the cheek to question the man from tazzie. :)))

[ash 68]

Ponting is a true Legend, plays for his country above chasing meaningless stats

[Jo_Don]

One may argue that those wins cannot be credited to Ponting alone, as he was part of a team that won all those games. How many wins and losses does he have since most of that team retired?

[PerfectionPersonified]

amazing stats - weldone punter

[Kwremb]

One may argue that those wins cannot be credited to Ponting alone, as he was part of a team that won all those games. How many wins and losses does he have since most of that team retired?

I think you're taking this thread in a very literal sense :yk Try to read in to it :inzi

[Romali_rotti]

Neyyy Typical home track bully, whats his avg in India ?? 20 odd >? :D...

[Random Aussie]

Neyyy Typical home track bully, whats his avg in India ?? 20 odd >? :D...

Seven wins behind an entire nation :D

For the whole history of its Test cricket. :D

[Proud To Be A Pakistani]

I don't seee any Indian Fan defending that ...

[Romali_rotti]

Seven wins behind an entire nation :D

For the whole history of its Test cricket. :D

Still home track bully :-P

[ecstatic_freak]

I must say, its PWNAGE but can we instead talk bout the 100th 100?

[rvd]

Great record. Shows you how bad our team really has been for most of its existence despite the talent. A reflection of the country really. Always been underachievers until the past decade when things finally improved.

[akheR]

lol epic.

[freelance_cricketer]

In the end, the winner will only be the nation of India :kapil

Give up Punter.

[ash 68]

Still home track bully :-P

Punter or Indian nation?

[trogger]

Still home track bully :-P

Ponting has 35 away test wins, india have 37.

ponting might be ahead after the west indies tour.

[trogger]

Unfortunately we dont play Test cricket again until November,

Actually we play 3 tests in the west indies in april.

[ecstatic_freak]

Ponting is bigger than India? Well almost

[RexRex]

Tests are so 2005.Punter has never won the T20 WC like the indian team so there :>

[Random Aussie]

Actually we play 3 tests in the west indies in april.

I thought we played four. I meant after that tour we have a break from Test cricket.

[Sledger]

Punter or Indian nation?
:))


Excellent achievement by Ponting.

Only 30 test losses is also an amazing number in such a long career.

[James]

Top thread :))

[cricketworm]

LOLOL haha

But but but SRT is still beating Punter in 'NOT LOSING' tests. :D :P

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;orderby=matches;result=1;result =3;result=4;template=results;type=batting

[Mcgrath]

Ponting is bigger than India? Well almost

he is a lot better, look at his win loss ratio :punter

[trogger]

I thought we played four. I meant after that tour we have a break from Test cricket.

Sadly it seems the days of 4 tests in the windies are over, that way they can cram in more 20/20 and one dayers. :(

[W63L35]

I don't seee any Indian Fan defending that ...

As much as Indians looooooove Punter, I don't think they will defend this!

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[Romali_rotti]

Ponting has 35 away test wins, india have 37.

ponting might be ahead after the west indies tour.

Not talking about his wins or losses but his awesome avg of 26 odd from 14 test matches in India vs his 76 avg at Oz vs India :)) from 14 tests.... HOME TRACK BULLY in all SENSE... Even my boi W wouldnt argue with those stats....

[James]

He's not a home track bully at all

[Lethalweapon]

On the Pak vs India front:

Pak has won the same number of tests as India i.e. 112 but Pak did that in almost 100 less tests

Pak has lost only 100 of the tests played vs 146 for India

Indian team jindabaad...Pakistan who?

Pakistan only played 1 test in Australia before 1970. That helped in less losses , isn't it?
Also India has won more tests in aus,eng, SA and wi and were below par against sri and nz.
Indians should be proud that their 'average' team has a better record against top teams then Pakistan (current losses will not change it). remember who has a better pace attack?
And vs Pak 11-9 record is not bad at all in tests.

[Lethalweapon]

He's not a home track bully at all

lol. his record in asia is below par, not just in India.
In england i am sure you know he did not exactly shine at his peak in 2005. has a moderate record there. you know Kallis' record in (or against) England?

[James]

Ponting is not a home track bully, end of. He's the best Australian batsman since Bradman, despite what the Tendulkarphiles would have you believe, in their childish efforts to shoot down the achievements of yet another great batsman from outside India.

[W63L35]

He's not a home track bully at all

Well, haven't you noticed so far..... it is India that only matters. If Punter has better average at home than India.... he is HTB for sure.

[cricketworm]

SRT has 4 times 1000's runs away and only one time 1000 runs at home. Geez just noticed! He is ATB.

Away Track Bully. :D



I know it's to do with number of tests he has played, and may end up scoring 1000 runs against SL, England and NZ at home too.

[ninjafirstslip]

Ponting... home boy bully?
Look he may be a shell of his former self but even that shell is still international quality. I think people have selective memory when it comes to Ponting. I get people dont like his rough exterior but thats the way he was taught cricket - Allan Border style going to war.

[Muhammad Waleed]

ROFL :)))

Excellent title, Praise goes to your concept.

[Romali_rotti]

Ponting is not a home track bully, end of. He's the best Australian batsman since Bradman, despite what the Tendulkarphiles would have you believe, in their childish efforts to shoot down the achievements of yet another great batsman from outside India.

Ok so an Avg of 26 in India to an Avg of 76 at OZ vs India suggests ?

[Romali_rotti]

Well, haven't you noticed so far..... it is India that only matters. If Punter has better average at home than India.... he is HTB for sure.

W, finally you are seeing the light my friend... This thread does bring in Ponting & India, so well done you finally figured it out....

[usman303]

Potw

[Random Aussie]

Not talking about his wins or losses but his awesome avg of 26 odd from 14 test matches in India vs his 76 avg at Oz vs India :)) from 14 tests.... HOME TRACK BULLY in all SENSE... Even my boi W wouldnt argue with those stats....

I have gone out of my way today to pwn you Romali :D

Ponting averages away from home

Bangladesh - 95
England - 42
NZ - 60
Pakistan - 119
SA - 46
SL - 48
UAE - 97
WI - 78

There is no argument you can make that he is a HTB, all you can argue is he is not so good on Indian tracks.

[Shah]

And vs Pak 11-9 record is not bad at all in tests.

India is not 11-9 vs Pak in tests.
India is 9-12 vs Pak in tests.
Nice try, loser.

[Safar55]

A Legend... Hope he can at least get the 4-0

[Saqs]

Brilliant stat digup RA.

That must hurt.

[Romali_rotti]

I have gone out of my way today to pwn you Romali :D

Ponting averages away from home

Bangladesh - 95
England - 42
NZ - 60
Pakistan - 119
SA - 46
SL - 48
UAE - 97
WI - 78

There is no argument you can make that he is a HTB, all you can argue is he is not so good on Indian tracks.



Let me re-pawn you RA, your above quote; 'you can argue he is not so good on Indian tracks' is putting it beyond mild... When you have a descrepancy of 50 runs in avg , it tells me he has an orgasm when he is playing at home vs India in comparison to him being just flat out horrible in India....Might I also add; to the best of my knowledge he has yet to win a test match in India as captain as well, purfecttt icing on the cake... HOME TRACK BULLAYYY :)

[ash 68]

Let me re-pawn you RA, your above quote; 'you can argue he is not so good on Indian tracks' is putting it beyond mild... When you have a descrepancy of 50 runs in avg , it tells me he has an orgasm when he is playing at home vs India in comparison to him being just flat out horrible in India....Might I also add; to the best of my knowledge he has yet to win a test match in India as captain as well, purfecttt icing on the cake... HOME TRACK BULLAYYY :)

Ponting is pounding Indian bowling at the moment, dont worry he will clobber you in your own back yard

Indian bowling has fallen to Bengali levels, you will see it even in your home series

there is no hiding place left even under your bed

Punter is quality, not a chaser of meaningless stats

Proven winner - swollow it

[James]

In spite of India representing beginning, middle and end for every human being, I heard there is more than one country in the world. Could be wrong though.

[Romali_rotti]

, dont worry he will clobber you in your own back yard



Yeah so I have been hearing over the last 10 odd years. Last time Steve Waugh said Ponting will challenge SRT to claim for the top batsmen's spot in 2001 right before that famous India series, Ponting finished with a Whopping Avg of 3.40 :))........

[Romali_rotti]

Could be wrong though.

Nah you are not wrong at all, but buddy only India & Ponting gets a mention in this thread by the OP's first post... What do you reckon ?? We now on the same page or what >>?

[Kwremb]

Nah you are not wrong at all, but buddy only India & Ponting gets a mention in this thread by the OP's first post... What do you reckon ?? We now on the same page or what >>?

HTB by definition means he only scores/wins at home. Definition fail, come up with something like Non-India Bully or summat so we'll laugh with you instead of laughing at you :facepalm:

[Romali_rotti]

HTB by definition means he only scores/wins at home. Definition fail, come up with something like Non-India Bully or summat so we'll laugh with you instead of laughing at you :facepalm:

You can laugh with or at me, I really dont care, I state my opinions regardless.. Also what you say doesnt make any sense, he has a healthy avg against India so you cant call him a 'Non-India Bully'. However it all makes sense when good ol RR does the usual post mortem, 76 Avg vs India at home in comparison to 26 avg in India = he loves India at his house but hates them in India = HTB..................

[Namak_Halaal]

Can anyone tell me the leading Tissue brand in India? With all this Indian crying I suspect the brand in question must be raking it in.

Tests are so 2005.Punter has never won the T20 WC like the indian team so there :>

Punter has won 3 50/50 WCs though, including 2003, which I'm sure you rather forget.

Still, the stat in the OP is a belter. It's one of those rare stats that makes one ponder, not just on how great Ponting is, but how crap India is in Test Cricket.

One man takes on an 80+ year Test record of a Billion.

Never before has there been a fine example of quality over quantity.

:)

[W63L35]

Let me re-pawn you RA, your above quote; 'you can argue he is not so good on Indian tracks' is putting it beyond mild... When you have a descrepancy of 50 runs in avg , it tells me he has an orgasm when he is playing at home vs India in comparison to him being just flat out horrible in India....Might I also add; to the best of my knowledge he has yet to win a test match in India as captain as well, purfecttt icing on the cake... HOME TRACK BULLAYYY :)

What does a batsman have when the "descrepancy in avg" is 73 runs?

[CORNERED-TIGER]

What does a batsman have when the "descrepancy in avg" is 73 runs?

thats a killer post.... :afridi:afridi:afridi

[nish_mate]

what does a batsman have when the "descrepancy in avg" is 73 runs?

73<98.5

:D

Anyways a typical Pakistani, bring the great man in regardless of context...

Pakistanis and SRT a love hate relationship :D

[W63L35]

Anyways a typical Pakistani, bring the great man in regardless of context...



Typical Indians living on PakPassion .....defending Teenda!



Pakistanis and SRT a love hate relationship :D

Just keeping 10-year old Sachinistas down to earth. I have nothing against Sachin.

[nish_mate]

Typical Indians living on PakPassion .....defending Teenda!




Just keeping 10-year old Sachinistas down to earth. I have nothing against Sachin.

Now now dunno which is more insulting, being called a 10 year old or a Sachinista- as you know my friend I aint either.

Secondly was not defending, just blowing a lil hole in the numbers you presented, incidentally the numbers were of SRT and it was too good to pass up ;-)

Lastly aint living, just squatting :D

[W63L35]

Lastly aint living, just squatting :D
Why wouldn't you.....???? like hero ...like fans! ;-)

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/58600/58675.jpg

www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=17701

[nish_mate]

Why wouldn't you.....???? like hero ...like fans! ;-)



www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=17701

Nice one :D

[Romali_rotti]

What does a batsman have when the "descrepancy in avg" is 73 runs?

Errrr the Thread is about India & Ponting last time I checked , Since I am such a nice person Ill ans your question; It tells me that 40 is a better away( Not horrible like Ponting) avg than 26..............W did you spend an hour trying to dig this one up ?? Man you have no idea how much fun it is getting you in a twist :))....

[abdul2009]

Errrr the Thread is about India & Ponting last time I checked , Since I am such a nice person Ill ans your question; It tells me that 40 is a better away( Not horrible like Ponting) avg than 26..............W did you spend an hour trying to dig this one up ?? Man you have no idea how much fun it is getting you in a twist :))....

Dude your arguments are getting insanely ridiculous and childish.

Such an annoying troll ..lol

[Romali_rotti]

Dude your arguments are getting insanely ridiculous and childish.

Such an annoying troll ..lol

lol Annachi gettin into it now... This is just too much fun...:))).. I hope this thread doesnt die of any time soon...

[Kwremb]

You can laugh with or at me, I really dont care, I state my opinions regardless.. Also what you say doesnt make any sense, he has a healthy avg against India so you cant call him a 'Non-India Bully'. However it all makes sense when good ol RR does the usual post mortem, 76 Avg vs India at home in comparison to 26 avg in India = he loves India at his house but hates them in India = HTB..................

No, among the countries he has travelled to India is the only country where he hasn't done well. I dunno whether you're this dumb or acting dumb, choose one for yourself. But, I guess Indians and dumbness run hand in hand, shouldn't be hard to predict if one watches the movies they churn out :))

[nish_mate]

No, among the countries he has travelled to India is the only country where he hasn't done well. I dunno whether you're this dumb or acting dumb, choose one for yourself. But, I guess Indians and dumbness run hand in hand, shouldn't be hard to predict if one watches the movies they churn out :))

We churn it out because our neighbours never seem to have enough of it :D

Supply and demand my son.....

[Namak_Halaal]

I don't seee any Indian Fan defending that ...

They can't even if they tried, instead the matter of HTB has propped up, which has sod all to do with the OP.

Clutching at straws, but still, the insecurity of Sachinistas will provide mileage to this thread.

[Romali_rotti]

No, among the countries he has travelled to India is the only country where he hasn't done well. I dunno whether you're this dumb or acting dumb, choose one for yourself. But, I guess Indians and dumbness run hand in hand, shouldn't be hard to predict if one watches the movies they churn out :))

Now listen here little kid; when OP started the thread would you agree he only mentioned Ponting & India ?

[Random Aussie]

Bump.

Ponting 108 Test wins v the nation of India 112 Test wins

[Random Aussie]

Ponting has 35 away test wins, india have 37.

ponting might be ahead after the west indies tour.

Now equal to the nation of India in away wins at 37 apiece.

[Romali_rotti]

What a thread... I had so much fun in this one :)))

[Bilal7]

Superb thread this.

Indians trying to bring Pakistan into this conversation, but you know what?
It ain't working!!

Ponting has humiliated India, yet again.

[madaboutcricket]

Superb thread this.

Indians trying to bring Pakistan into this conversation, but you know what?
It ain't working!!

Ponting has humiliated India, yet again.

Lol. Ponting has humiliated Pakistan too if I go by your logic.

[Random Aussie]

What a thread... I had so much fun in this one :)))

It has much potential if he can get another couple of wins...

[fusebulb]

It has much potential if he can get another couple of wins...

My dear friend .... Ponting had great bowlers like Mcgrath and Warne while he was playing .... and most of the time Aus has won due to their team effort and not Ponting alone .... This is not Tennis ... this is cricket and its a team sport there are 11 players ... i hope you know that ... though i am doubtful....

Don't make such stupid threads just to kill some time.... come up with something worthwhile...!!!

[Senman]

I remember the time when Australia and England where the power houses, they took India for a ride. Oh how the mighty have fallen, its a pity that OP have to get satisfied by the statistics. BCCI owns CA :P and it doesn't care about Test cricket.

[PakPrince]

I mean whats new in this

Ponting is a winner. India simply haven't had that attitude.

Ponting usually has more desire to win than most of the Indian teams combined

[Senman]

^^ Yes Sherlock.

[PakPrince]

^
:))) :)))

someone's pissed

[kungfu90]

I mean whats new in this

Ponting is a winner. India simply haven't had that attitude.

Ponting usually has more desire to win than most of the Indian teams combined

And that's why he is yet to win a test in India after 2004.

[fusebulb]

I mean whats new in this

Ponting is a winner. India simply haven't had that attitude.

Ponting usually has more desire to win than most of the Indian teams combined

why do u guys have to piggy back on Aus to take on India .... if you have the guts then come up with Pak Stats and their players to compare with India .... and then we will see....

Get two feet to stand up for yourself.....!!!!

[PakPrince]

And that's why he is yet to win a test in India after 2004.

I like how you qualify your statement!

[PakPrince]

why do u guys have to piggy back on Aus to take on India .... if you have the guts then come up with Pak Stats and their players to compare with India .... and then we will see....

Get two feet to stand up for yourself.....!!!!

this is a thread about Ponting and India's respective win records.

Or did you not get that part???

in any case if you didnt know its 12-9 to Pakistan in tests and 60 odd- to 40 odd in ODIS. So I dont even know why you bring that up anyways?

[Senman]

why do u guys have to piggy back on Aus to take on India .... if you have the guts then come up with Pak Stats and their players to compare with India .... and then we will see....

Get two feet to stand up for yourself.....!!!!
Good Points.
Now expect a roll over laugh and "pi***ed" comment and escape act.

See the above post already started the escape art :))

[PakPrince]

Good Points.
Now expect a roll over laugh and "pi***ed" comment and escape act.

See the above post already started the escape art :))

i replied to that guy

and yeah someone's really pissed lol!!! RandomAussie what have you done here mate! :P

So considering we're talking about tests you wanna discuss Pakistan and India's test record. I'm happy to do that but its not the topic of discussion in the threead?

I dont get why you Indians dont get why the thread is abt Ponting and the Indian team's record. Pakistan is not part of the conversation. How hard is that to understand

[ecstatic_freak]

It just shows that Ponting played for a Champion team but you should also consider the competition he faced to cement his place, to survive on a best team, you have to be always on top of your team. You may get away with take-it-easy attitude on inferior teams but its next to impossible to survive on a champion team without performing consistently. Also, dont forget the quality batsmen that Ponting kept out of the Aussie side.

I only like Ponting for one reason, his attitude towards batting and winning over all. If my team is behind the eight balls in a WC final, i know i would want a Richards or Ponting to bat for me and its no disrespect to other champion batsmen either. If i only consider batting then my list be like Lara, Sachin and Ponting(not talking bout 80s though) but if i consider other aspect of the games, like attitude towards the game, big game player, resilience, quality to dominate regardless of the situation then my list is like Lara, Ponting and Sachin. Lara in my opinion was the best combination of all qualities combined.

[kungfu90]

I like how you qualify your statement!

No. Too much winner , champion man and all praise for someone who hasn't won test against India in India when he lacked just 1 bowler in his team.
If only his desire to win produced results for him then he wouldn't be 3 time ashes loser captain.

Truth is that he was part of an all time greatest team. Heck he even stopped doing anything with the bat when Hayden and Langer weren't there.

[Romali_rotti]

It has much potential if he can get another couple of wins...

Here let me stir the pot;


He only had these wins because he played on a side with 2 of the greatest bowlers of all time...

[Random Aussie]

I remember the time when Australia and England where the power houses, they took India for a ride. Oh how the mighty have fallen, its a pity that OP have to get satisfied by the statistics. BCCI owns CA :P and it doesn't care about Test cricket.

Exhibit A here. Indian fan bragging about his administrative team :)))

[Random Aussie]

Lol at the upset Indian fans. The stat is a fact, deal with it.

[khalil1986]

LOL @ poor Indians :)))

[fusebulb]

Here let me stir the pot;


He only had these wins because he played on a side with 2 of the greatest bowlers of all time...

Not only the greatest bowlers .... but probably the greatest team to have ever played cricket ....

Now if Sachin had the liberty of playing in such a team .... then things would definitely have been different ... That is the very reason i rate Sachin higher than Ponting ....

Ponting batted freely with good batting partners like haydens, langers, waughs and scored without the pressure of a huge score by the opponents bcoz Mcgrath and Warne almost always dismissed the opposition with very low scores ....

And Sachin had to bat with a huge score posted by the opposition almost always under the pressure of a big score ... and even bigger pressure of performing each and every time he took the bat in his hand....!!!

[khalil1986]

Lol at the upset Indian fans. The stat is a fact, deal with it.

It's a pretty damn hard pill to swallow, plus everytime they look at your sig it hardly helps.

[fusebulb]

Lol at the upset Indian fans. The stat is a fact, deal with it.

Those days are long gone ... now worry about how to take back your ashes ... i dont see it happening for the next decade ....

Deal with it.....!!!!

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Pure pawnage.

[ecstatic_freak]

Ponting batted freely with good batting partners like haydens, langers, waughs and scored without the pressure of a huge score by the opponents bcoz Mcgrath and Warne almost always dismissed the opposition with very low scores ....

It might be true the way you are looking at things but i have a question for you, whats easier to do, perform on a Bangladesh team that is never expected to win or an Australian team that everyone always expects to win, like Hydos once said, the moment you step on the pitch, that aura is gone and the real begins, Sachin might have been under pressure to perform for fans and for saving the face, as you are putting it but Ponting had to bat to WIN, i believe its a huge difference and you cannot simply discredit his performances because of his team. Since it doesnt happen in Cricket, but it happens in football a lot so i would try to put it this way, how many times have you seen Champion footballer from an ordinary team flopping after moving to a bigger team that is always in the title run.

I have no doubt in my mind that Sachins the best batsman from subcontinent but why do you Sachinistas(learned this on pp) simply discredit other team members or sportsmen to appreciate Sachin. This is one of the reason that people find it fun to question his gamemanship because Sachinistas simply shoot down other quality Indian cricketers to hammer home the point that Sachin is above all, bigger than the team, bigger than everything, its laughable isnt it lol

[cricketindiafan]

108 wins for Punter vs 112 for India

Too close to call but Punter will most likely lose this battle :P





:(

[Random Aussie]

You are right mate, I don't think he will get there.

But good effort to run this close

[cricketindiafan]

Will he be back for the summer post a 6 month long break? Guess by then some thoughts would have changed and the Aussie selectors would have their mind set on the next Ashes and building a team for that. Not sure if Ponting will figure in those plans for the Ashes.

[fusebulb]

It might be true the way you are looking at things but i have a question for you, whats easier to do, perform on a Bangladesh team that is never expected to win or an Australian team that everyone always expects to win, like Hydos once said, the moment you step on the pitch, that aura is gone and the real begins, Sachin might have been under pressure to perform for fans and for saving the face, as you are putting it but Ponting had to bat to WIN, i believe its a huge difference and you cannot simply discredit his performances because of his team. Since it doesnt happen in Cricket, but it happens in football a lot so i would try to put it this way, how many times have you seen Champion footballer from an ordinary team flopping after moving to a bigger team that is always in the title run.

I have no doubt in my mind that Sachins the best batsman from subcontinent but why do you Sachinistas(learned this on pp) simply discredit other team members or sportsmen to appreciate Sachin. This is one of the reason that people find it fun to question his gamemanship because Sachinistas simply shoot down other quality Indian cricketers to hammer home the point that Sachin is above all, bigger than the team, bigger than everything, its laughable isnt it lol

I know there is too much talk about how great Sachin is from Indians ...
And i know it gets annoying to non Indians....

But only an Indian who has followed Sachin's career from the very beginning can understand .... what Sachin is to India ....

He was our only hope when everything looked lost ... he gave us whatever little pride we had ... when team after team used to bully us and beat us ever so often....

Though Sachin has come a long way from an innocent basher of a cricket ball .... though i admit i don't like what he has become now ...

But still a true Indian cricket fan can and should never forget what Sachin has given to India..!!!

[kungfu90]

Australia 1996-2011 has won more tests than India in their history.
That's just superb.
Though in 97-11 India beat them more time than they beat India. ;-)

[Senman]

Exhibit A here. Indian fan bragging about his administrative team :)))

Exhibit B here Australia fan instead of concentrating on his team trolling on Indian team :))

This is unheard of 10 years ago but purely because BCCI treating your players as cows(Gilchrist's words) chickens are coming to the parteee. :P

[fusebulb]

You are right mate, I don't think he will get there.

But good effort to run this close

I see why some aussie fans are feeling bitter and now coming up with a decade old stats and things like that ...

How can you blame them when almost everything was taken away from them .... the No. 1 status, their pride was hurt ... then the world cup trophy was taken away by India ... and the biggest of them the Ashes was snatched from them ....

So unfortunately they are a depressed lot these days ... hence these trolls of meaningless stats of Ponting vs India and other useless stuff to make them feel a little better....!!!

[Senman]

No matter how evil BCCI perceived to be it changed the status of India and Indian Cricket team, long gone are the days where players skip the tour to avoid touring India, long gone are the days where a 2nd string team is sent to India, long gone are the days where inviting India is the last thing on the mind of any cricket board.
Its hard to explain on what the BCCI has done to the psyche of other countries fans(not all but some) who previously never bothered about discussing India now live off by writing page after page (positive or negative) about India.

In Tamil we have something to describe what BCCI had done to other boards "Vachomla AAPU"

[umarakmalrocks]

I mean whats new in this

Ponting is a winner. India simply haven't had that attitude.

Ponting usually has more desire to win than most of the Indian teams combined

Ponting is a winner. Pakistan simply haven't had that attitude.

Ponting usually has more desire to win than most of the Pakistani teams combined

[Poison]

How many Tests have we won?

[umarakmalrocks]

i replied to that guy

and yeah someone's really pissed lol!!! RandomAussie what have you done here mate! :P

So considering we're talking about tests you wanna discuss Pakistan and India's test record. I'm happy to do that but its not the topic of discussion in the threead?

I dont get why you Indians dont get why the thread is abt Ponting and the Indian team's record. Pakistan is not part of the conversation. How hard is that to understand

India - Won 4 series.
Pakistan - Won 3

[Kwremb]

India getting slaughtered by a lone individual :)))

[umarakmalrocks]

India getting slaughtered by a lone individual :)))

Pakistan getting slaughtered by a lone individual :)))

When was the last time Pakistan even won a series against Oz? Pakistan has never won a series against Ponting. :)))

[Senman]

India getting slaughtered by a lone individual :)))

Another one who doesn't know the difference between Indian cricket team and India

[cricketindiafan]

How many Tests have we won?

115, 3 more than us ( overlook the number of tests played) and 7 more than Punter :)

[Poison]

115, 3 more than us ( overlook the number of tests played) and 7 more than Punter :)

:altaf

[Poison]

Pakistan --> 115W/152D/367T

India --> 112W/208D/462T

LOL India were minnows for a very very long time, pretty shocking Test record tbh.

[umarakmalrocks]

Pakistan --> 115W/152D/367T

India --> 112W/208D/462T

LOL India were minnows for a very very long time, pretty shocking Test record tbh.

We started playing from 1920s. Of course we were a minnow for a very very long time. Pakistan didn't rally have a minnow phase as they started in 1950s or something when they were better.

[ecstatic_freak]

We started playing from 1920s. Of course we were a minnow for a very very long time. Pakistan didn't rally have a minnow phase as they started in 1950s or something when they were better.

Pakistan didn't have a minnow phase? LOL

[Poison]

We started playing from 1920s. Of course we were a minnow for a very very long time. Pakistan didn't rally have a minnow phase as they started in 1950s or something when they were better.

Lol good job making sense, our 1st Test series was 5 years after the inception of Pakistan. We won our first Test in our first series. India took 20 years to win their 1st Test LOL

[Senman]

Lol good job making sense, our 1st Test series was 5 years after the inception of Pakistan. We won our first Test in our first series. India took 20 years to win their 1st Test LOL

INDIA vs PAKISTAN is a valid comparison since both countries came in to prominence at the same time. Pakistan has always been a better cricket team, they always had good bowlers.

[umarakmalrocks]

Lol good job making sense, our 1st Test series was 5 years after the inception of Pakistan. We won our first Test in our first series. India took 20 years to win their 1st Test LOL

Because the Pakistani players didn't start playing cricket as a brand new sport? Because plenty of them used to play in domestic Indian teams before independence. Because plenty of Pakistani players/coaches were involved with the Indian setup before independence.

When we started playing it was a completely new sport. When Pakistan started playing it was a bunch of guys leaving an older team and making a new one.

eg Fazal Mahmood played for Northern Inida before independence.

[khalil1986]

Lol good job making sense, our 1st Test series was 5 years after the inception of Pakistan. We won our first Test in our first series. India took 20 years to win their 1st Test LOL

20 years? Damn they must have been real crap back then.

[umarakmalrocks]

INDIA vs PAKISTAN is a valid comparison since both countries came in to prominence at the same time. Pakistan has always been a better cricket team, they always had good bowlers.

I agree with that. Historically overall they have been better.

[umarakmalrocks]

20 years? Damn they must have been real crap back then.

Yeah cause Pakisatn was part of us then.

[Poison]

How is it more valid? Just because India was crap for 20 years does not mean the comparison is valid lols. Even if you exclude the 15 Tests India lost before Pakistan's Test team was born, the comparison does not change much. India have played nearly 85 Tests more than Pakistan since 1952 and we have won 3 more Tests overall.

India has only really 'come to prominence' in the last 10 years.

[Indiafan]

My signature is for people like the OP who despite watching cricket for years have no idea a team sport works. So according to OP's claims all the 114 wins is surely because of Ponting and in each of rise matches all 10 other Aussie players were impotent Jack ***** who took money for nothing. Ponting batted bowled and fueled solely while they were only there for a good time even in the matches where Ponting scored in single digits.


And this from a land where people claim to understand and adore cricket in it's purest form. This is the understanding of their game when they attribute a team stat to an individual and a see nothing wrong with it.

[Namak_Halaal]

Wow.

An Aussie legend who after playing 15 years is 5 victories shy of beating the combined Test victories of an inept Indian Test team spanning 85 years.

It brings a whole new meaning to longevity.

This also means India holds the record for being the longest serving Minnow team of the great game.

[Senman]

How is it more valid? Just because India was crap for 20 years does not mean the comparison is valid lols. Even if you exclude the 15 Tests India lost before Pakistan's Test team was born, the comparison does not change much. India have played nearly 85 Tests more than Pakistan since 1952 and we have won 3 more Tests overall.

India has only really 'come to prominence' in the last 10 years.

OK so ?

[Namak_Halaal]

Laughing at Indians who use the team vs player argument to defend the shortcomings of the Indian team. These are the same people who anoint one Indian player above their national team.

Remarkable.

[Senman]

*Troll Alert* getting outta here

[cricketindiafan]

Laughing at Indians who use the team vs player argument to defend the shortcomings of the Indian team. These are the same people who anoint one Indian player above their national team.

Remarkable.

See..and you call others thread cancer.

[khalil1986]

*reality alert* delusional fan getting outta here

fixed.

Good to see NH making them dive for cover.

[Namak_Halaal]

See..and you call others thread cancer.

Only Sachinistas are thread cancer.

Im on topic of the Player vs Team. It is true one indian player is seen above the indian team.

And its Indian fans are turning this into Pak vs Ind stats thread.

[khalil1986]

Im on topic of the Player vs Team.

Indian fans are turning this into Pak vs Ind stats thread.

Even than they ain't getting very far.

[umarakmalrocks]

How is it more valid? Just because India was crap for 20 years does not mean the comparison is valid lols. Even if you exclude the 15 Tests India lost before Pakistan's Test team was born, the comparison does not change much. India have played nearly 85 Tests more than Pakistan since 1952 and we have won 3 more Tests overall.

India has only really 'come to prominence' in the last 10 years.

We were good in the 70s too becoming no 1 at a point winning series in England and West Indies. 90s was where we were very bad.

Also about how it was more valid, in the first test squad for Pakistan there were 2-3 ex-Indian cricketers plus all others had played FC in India. When India made a debut it was Englishmen giving a ball and bat to India and saying "chal khel".

I'm not denying Pakistan has been better historically although the time taken to win first test has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

[umarakmalrocks]

Wow.

An Aussie legend who after playing 15 years is 5 victories shy of beating the combined Test victories of an inept Indian Test team spanning 85 years.

It brings a whole new meaning to longevity.

This also means India holds the record for being the longest serving Minnow team of the great game.

An Aussie legend who after playing 15 years is 8 victories shy of beating the combined Test victories of an inept Paksitani Test team spanning 60 years.

[Senman]

fixed.

Good to see NH making them dive for cover.

yeah yeah blah blah blewww.

By they way good fixing :P proud to be a fixer heh!!

[par]

Laughing at Indians who use the team vs player argument to defend the shortcomings of the Indian team. These are the same people who anoint one Indian player above their national team.

Remarkable.

At least we are obsessed with our own player.

[Indiafan]

Laughing at Indians who use the team vs player argument to defend the shortcomings of the Indian team. These are the same people who anoint one Indian player above their national team.

Remarkable.

So glad you are on OP's side on this one. I will stop posting team vs player debate the day one player bats, bowls and fields in cricket without other ten. The fact in some of those 114 matches Ponting was a passenger proves my point.

[Namak_Halaal]

See this is the problem.

When there's a thread on the Indian team and Pakistani users contribute relevant information, the Indian camp take it personally by discussing irrelevant info on Pakistan.

Indians never post substance just insecure waffle while palming the woeful truth.

Now Indians speak of fixing as a last attempt not realising India also holds the record for the most number of players banned for fixing in their record breaking illustrious minnow record.

Anyway, its great to see Ponting hurt Indians single handedly, just as he did in the 2003 WC final.

[umarakmalrocks]

See this is the problem.

When there's a thread on the Indian team and Pakistani users contribute relevant information, the Indian camp take it personally by discussing irrelevant info on Pakistan.

Indians never post substance just insecure waffle while palming the woeful truth.

Now Indians speak of fixing as a last attempt not realising India also holds the record for the most number of players banned for fixing in their record breaking illustrious minnow record.

Anyway, its great to see Ponting hurt Indians single handedly, just as he did in the 2003 WC final.

At least we got back at him in the 2011 quarter final.

when are you getting back at SRT for Centurion 2003?

Mohali? Oh wait. :)))

[Namak_Halaal]

So glad you are on OP's side on this one. I will stop posting team vs player debate the day one player bats, bowls and fields in cricket without other ten. The fact in some of those 114 matches Ponting was a passenger proves my point.

I think you are being pedantic.

Cricket is a team sport for sure, but then there's a small point of game changers and MOM awards. Players who single handedly are the difference between victory and defeat. Do these not count?

Ponting is no ordinary player, he's a game changer, and was a member of one of the greatest teams in cricket. His contribution was invaluable, thus was no passenger.

[velu]

Subcontinental shame. :sachin:wasim:murali:shakib

[PakPrince]

Just like Jonathan Leiw and Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton before him, Random Aussie has trolled sensitive Indians here big time!

[fusebulb]

Just like Jonathan Leiw and Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton before him, Random Aussie has trolled sensitive Indians here big time!

Wait till someone says the same things about Pakistan ... then most here conveniently will take a U turn .... what hypocrisy....!!!!

[khalil1986]

yeah yeah blah blah blewww.

By they way good fixing :P proud to be a fixer heh!!

You need a tissue :))) :)))

[madaboutcricket]

Just like Jonathan Leiw and Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton before him, Random Aussie has trolled sensitive Indians here big time!
So RA is trolling here?

[khalil1986]

So RA is trolling here?

He is stating a simple fact, nothing more nothing less.

[madaboutcricket]

He is stating a simple fact, nothing more nothing less.

I did not ask you man. I know you get irritated easily.:P

[khalil1986]

I did not ask you man. I know you get irritated easily.:P

Give me one reason why I would be irritated in this thread?

[Bilal7]

Donkeys braying big time here.

To correct this shameful stat, they should:

- accept it.
- realise that Pakistan is better.
- win the series against England.
- hope that Ponting spares them by retiring.

[Bilal7]

Give me one reason why I would be irritated in this thread?

Irritated, we're all having a field day!!!

:wahab :yk :asif

[Kwremb]

Indians in this thread :))) Best troll thread ever :))

[zubair007]

@Kwremb
Since you somehow think that is related to cricket, I would like to make a similarly irrational connection to allegedly bigger "somethings" to poverty, illiteracy, jealousy, violence, and as a result, sadly, shorter life spans.

[Kalari]

If Random Aussie's post was simply to troll Indians, then lago raho.

However, if the intention was for a serious debate, it was a non-issue from the start. Ricky Ponting is one of the game's greats - no contest there. But Ricky came into the Aus team when the team was on the ascendancy - Border's boys had preceded Taylor's team who were followed by Steve Waugh's team of modern day greats. Ponting was not the steer or the anchor in those teams - he was simply the brightest star in the brightest constellation.

I know, RA and others have no love for Sachin. Fair enough. But pitting Ponting against India in Tests is illogical. India may have been playing since the earlier days but India always scratched together a team until the 70s. It was not until Sachin came on that cricket became an aspirational sport in India - meaning, there was now a larger pool of youngsters to choose from for the national side.

I strongly doubt Australia needed Ponting to drag them out from any kind of cricketing humiliation.

Cricket is a sport, sure, but like any other sport, cricket must be seen through the lens of society. As Indians, we are happy for Ponting and Australia for his achievements. But India's cricketing history is no match for Australia's - Aussies have a headstart there and to compare is not fair.

Perhaps Ponting's stats can be compared to England's for a better representation?

[Random Aussie]

The intent of the thread is not to troll Indians. But Indian fans in general are very sensitive and defensive anyway.

I thought it quite interesting that a single person is very close to the all time win record of a major Test playing nation, and there is a very faint chance he might actually overtake for a second.

He wouldnt be close to the all time record of England so why would I bother comparing? And England fans or Pakistan fans or anyone else really, dont constantly try to denigrate Ponting, they show respect to one of the greats of world cricket.

As to your point about team, well many Indians fans love to hate Ponting, they love to say he is nothing as a player, depends on a great team around him, cant bat in India (as if that is a measure of greatness) and generally run the guy down.

So its worth remembering this one guy has nearly won as many games as your whole nation so show a little respect to the man.

[adit_sh]

meaningless discussion by a meaningless post.
OP have to bring this stat to prove a nation down and doesnt realise the contest is absolutely uneven.
Trying to prove Australian team where Ponting played is far better than any Indian team ??? Oh yes thats a fact. if you have to prove it then thats a bad play

Can you compare any australian team from 1876 to the best of Indian team for last 65 years( Consider India only post independence) ??? If you do then I guess Oz standards from a fan perspective has fallen considerably.

Australia is a sporting nation may take light years for a nation like India to catch up in any sport

[James]

The intent of the thread is not to troll Indians. But Indian fans in general are very sensitive and defensive anyway.

I thought it quite interesting that a single person is very close to the all time win record of a major Test playing nation, and there is a very faint chance he might actually overtake for a second.

He wouldnt be close to the all time record of England so why would I bother comparing? And England fans or Pakistan fans or anyone else really, dont constantly try to denigrate Ponting, they show respect to one of the greats of world cricket.

As to your point about team, well many Indians fans love to hate Ponting, they love to say he is nothing as a player, depends on a great team around him, cant bat in India (as if that is a measure of greatness) and generally run the guy down.

So its worth remembering this one guy has nearly won as many games as your whole nation so show a little respect to the man.

Exactly right!

Punter is an all time great of the game. I hope he plays South Africa and then another Ashes. Cricket is more interesting with him in it.

Indian fans :facepalm:

[Anfield]

The intent of the thread is not to troll Indians. But Indian fans in general are very sensitive and defensive anyway.

I thought it quite interesting that a single person is very close to the all time win record of a major Test playing nation, and there is a very faint chance he might actually overtake for a second.

He wouldnt be close to the all time record of England so why would I bother comparing? And England fans or Pakistan fans or anyone else really, dont constantly try to denigrate Ponting, they show respect to one of the greats of world cricket.

As to your point about team, well many Indians fans love to hate Ponting, they love to say he is nothing as a player, depends on a great team around him, cant bat in India (as if that is a measure of greatness) and generally run the guy down.

So its worth remembering this one guy has nearly won as many games as your whole nation so show a little respect to the man.

Great post! I have seen many Indians for some unknown reason or to me at least undermine his achievements. Not sure why. Ponting is one of my all-time fave players. I am a bit gutted with him now a days cuz it's hard to see my fave batsman of modern era struggling but there is no doubt the guy has achieved so much in cricket.

[Namak_Halaal]

Cricket is a sport, sure, but like any other sport, cricket must be seen through the lens of society. As Indians, we are happy for Ponting and Australia for his achievements. But India's cricketing history is no match for Australia's - Aussies have a headstart there and to compare is not fair.

False.

The thread is not comparing the achievements between two nations but a player vs. a nation.

In this respect Ponting's 16 year career is compared with India's 85 year Test record.

It's India who have the blatant head start over Ponting (almost 70 years).

[Anfield]

Exactly right!

Punter is an all time great of the game. I hope he plays South Africa and then another Ashes. Cricket is more interesting with him in it.

Indian fans :facepalm:

very true! I only watch Australian cricket for Ponting now a days.

[Kalari]

RA,
Indians are quite sensitive when it comes to cricket. But so is everyone else. Vis-a-vis the OP.
Still I do understand your point. But Ricky doesn't really need to be defended with such a comparison. He has been a statistically great captain, is a statistically great batsman - he has statistically but also stylishly continued the great tradition of Aussie batting.

Ricky and Sachin's individual records can be compared - but a logical team comparison can only be made with the Indian team of the 2000s.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Ponting is a legend.

Almost as many wins as a nation playing for so long!!

Special.

[Kalari]

NH,

As I said in my post, India's cricketing history is no match for Australia's. Obviously, we are going to be lagging way beyond in terms of wins. We may have first held a bat with the best of them - but we were the whipping boys for several decades.

A contemporary example: Will an Indian be fair comparing Sachin's Test bat record to Bangladesh's?

[Green Leopard]

haha Punter the original Master Blaster.

Though by this logic Ponting has already pawned NZ and Sri Lanka. Hope he plays on for another two or three year.

Watch out Indians, Pakistanis, and Saffers! :127:

[Senman]

Now it became Indians don't respect Ponting thread? I can only laugh at the explanation given for trolling. Anything to get out of jail heh.

Look at the sig of OP greatest troller ever. OP's thinking goes along the following lines "I love Ponting but I hate Sachin, hey Indians respect Ponting."

[Namak_Halaal]

A contemporary example: Will an Indian be fair comparing Sachin's Test bat record to Bangladesh's?

Yes it will be unfair, because SRT was playing Tests long before BNG gained Test Status.

Ponting's career of 16 years, is being compared with 85 years of India's Test record.

When you say India were whipping boys for several decades, that's exactly the point of this thread, and using Ponting's Test win stats to compare with India's Test win stats just serves to prove how bad India truly were/are.

[Addy]

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTe2kRouRJSyaVIMfophiIOR43I-WQD2XnPDRC_cVanB1MaXqKgdg

[IgnitedMind]

Yes it will be unfair, because SRT was playing Tests long before BNG gained Test Status.

Ponting's career of 16 years, is being compared with 85 years of India's Test record.

When you say India were whipping boys for several decades, that's exactly the point of this thread, and using Ponting's Test win stats to compare with India's Test win stats just serves to prove how bad India truly were/are.

Yes, we are bad then and then we greatly improved in the recent past. So??? How long will that bad past be used?

And Ponting is 4 less than India, but he is also 7 less than Pakistan. But now people will say, India has 85 yr old history, but pak only 60...

but pak was part of indian before !!

[Namak_Halaal]

Yes, we are bad then and then we greatly improved in the recent past. So??? How long will that bad past be used?

And Ponting is 4 less than India, but he is also 7 less than Pakistan. But now people will say, India has 85 yr old history, but pak only 60...

but pak was part of indian before !!

But dude, India have been playing for 85 years or so, Pakistan 60 or so.

So it's still a bad reflection of India's overall Test performance.

[insaan]

The intent of the thread is not to troll Indians. But Indian fans in general are very sensitive and defensive anyway.

I thought it quite interesting that a single person is very close to the all time win record of a major Test playing nation, and there is a very faint chance he might actually overtake for a second.

He wouldnt be close to the all time record of England so why would I bother comparing? And England fans or Pakistan fans or anyone else really, dont constantly try to denigrate Ponting, they show respect to one of the greats of world cricket.

As to your point about team, well many Indians fans love to hate Ponting, they love to say he is nothing as a player, depends on a great team around him, cant bat in India (as if that is a measure of greatness) and generally run the guy down.

So its worth remembering this one guy has nearly won as many games as your whole nation so show a little respect to the man.

So the reason of this thread it to make the Indians show some respect to Ponting.

I will say it is a shame that Ponting has to be compared with the Indian team to show his greatness. Indian team has produced some all time greats, but has been pathetic as a team for most part of it's cricket history. If anything, Ponting should be compared with those greats that India has produced.

But you set the bar too low for Ponting by comparing him with the team results.

Coming to your point on how most Indian fans run him down. I agree he has been a top class performer in the last decade, and arguably can be called the greatest of that decade. He should be compared only with Lara and Tendulkar, and if you want to stretch it, then Dravid and Kallis.

But does that make me respect him? No. I still do not respect him. He has often crossed the line and shown bad behavior on the field. He has lost his temper on many occasions. He has been fined for showing dissent. Even if he was Bradman, I will never respect him. The same reason I will not respect Harbhajan even if he takes 500 wickets.

On the other hand, I loved Steve Waugh and Gilly even when they scored run against India. I would forget that I am an Indian supporter when they would celebrate their hundreds. Because I respect them.


I agree that Ponting is one of the greatest batsman of the modern era, but respect? never. It is also true that his greatness does not depend on the respect of people like me, but then neither does his greatness depend on you proving that he has won almost as many matches as India.

If you want to compare Ponting, set the bar a little higher, and compare him with Tendulkar, or any other Indian batsman of your choice. Then we can have a debate.

[trogger]

Aussies have a headstart there and to compare is not fair.

Perhaps Ponting's stats can be compared to England's for a better representation?

So you really think ponting has been playing test cricket since the 19th century?

[insaan]

The purpose of this thread is to evoke some predictable reponse from Indians.

Even Random_Aussie knows that apples should be compared with apples. So it should be Australia vs India comparison, or Sachin/Dravid/Gavaskar vs Ponting.

Australia vs India is a no brainer. Australia wins hands down. There can be no debate at all.

Ponting vs Sachin/Dravid etc. Now we can have a debate, with some points in favour of Ponting and some in favour of the Indian batsmen.

But that is not the purpose of R_A. He is not interested in an apples with apples comparison.

His sole purpose is to make Indians respect Ponting. Hey, you all Indians who put down Ponting, do you know he has won almost as many matches than your entire country, you better respect my fella. I am sure even Ponting doesnt care who respects him or not, if that was the case he wouldnt have lost his temper so many times.

[trogger]

The one thing stats like this prove for sure is that great batsman are nowhere near as valuable as great bowlers.

India and Australia have both produced plenty of high quality bats in the last 20 years but india have won a fraction of the game australia have, give me a mcgrath or warne over tendulkar any day of the week.

[insaan]

In the similar vein, hey all Bangladesish, you better respect Suresh Raina, for he has won more test matches than your entire country.

Sorry, but that is not the qualification to be respected.

[cricketworm]

Since we are talking (trolling indians that's right) about "one player" and "not respecting the real heroes" from Australia I am posting this.

Punter has played 120 games with McGrath and Warne. Out of that, they have won 81 games together.

So, out of 165-120 = 45 games Punter has played without those two legends. So, since punter has won 81 games with Warne/Mcgrath and considering he has won total 108 games.

He has won 27 games out of 45 tests matches without Warne/McGrath.

Guess what this makes thread legendary ... the team Punter has lost the most against is India.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/7133.html?class=1;result=2;template=results;type=a llround

Punter lost

25226


Punter won

25227

And I took this thread as a light post and didn't outrage at all in previous posts till then I saw crying Defending post "Ooooh Indian fan this ... indian fan that ... respect punter blahhh " I mean like Ehhhhhh??

First you start the thread Arrogantly about your arrogant player then when people have their opinions and defend ... you hypocritically claim "oooh :facepalm: indian fans"

First learn how to respect other's opinion then expect respect for your own post.

[insaan]

Ponting is a great batsman, no doubt about that.

However, some of his flaws get covered up because of the team he got to play with.

Statistically, he will go down as the most successful test captain. But even the Aussies will agree that he is not the best Australian captain. Border was far better and so was Mark Taylor. Steve was not as good as those two, but at least he won the Ashes. Ponting losing 3 ashes will always have a cloud over his captaincy merits.

Even when he check for his individual stats as a batsman, although he won more than Tendulkar and Lara combined, yet he averaged less than both of them in matches either won, lost or drawn.

But hey, he still has almost as many wins as the nation of India. SO you all Indians, acknowledge and bow down before the superiority of the Great Messiah, Ricky "His Highness" Ponting.

[Random Aussie]

The purpose of this thread is to evoke some predictable reponse from Indians.

Even Random_Aussie knows that apples should be compared with apples. So it should be Australia vs India comparison, or Sachin/Dravid/Gavaskar vs Ponting.

Australia vs India is a no brainer. Australia wins hands down. There can be no debate at all.

Ponting vs Sachin/Dravid etc. Now we can have a debate, with some points in favour of Ponting and some in favour of the Indian batsmen.

But that is not the purpose of R_A. He is not interested in an apples with apples comparison.

His sole purpose is to make Indians respect Ponting. Hey, you all Indians who put down Ponting, do you know he has won almost as many matches than your entire country, you better respect my fella. I am sure even Ponting doesnt care who respects him or not, if that was the case he wouldnt have lost his temper so many times.

Good god, will you all stop sooking?

Its amusing that one guy (who is generally disliked in India) is so close to their overall win record. Thats all. Its an interesting stat.

If you dont like it, deal with it and stop posting in this thread. This is seriously ridiculous. :kami I am not going to respond to all the individual crying in this thread. Get over yourselves and grow some sense of humour or something.

[insaan]

Good god, will you all stop sooking?

Its amusing that one guy (who is generally disliked in India) is so close to their overall win record. Thats all. Its an interesting stat.

If you dont like it, deal with it and stop posting in this thread. This is seriously ridiculous. :kami I am not going to respond to all the individual crying in this thread. Get over yourselves and grow some sense of humour or something.

Sorry, but I will post on anything I have an opinion on, whether I like it or dislike it.

Don't call it an interesting stat, because stat is what it is not.

And it was my mistake that I thought you had put some thought while posting this thread. Now that you admit it was all for humour, I have nothing more to add.

Also funny, how people imagine whether a poster is crying. I should have added some smileys for effect. :)

[insaan]

This is what you had said: So its worth remembering this one guy has nearly won as many games as your whole nation so show a little respect to the man.

Now that I know that you said that in good humour, I agree with you, that is quite funny. :)

[khalil1986]

Some of these Indian posters really are a sensitive bunch of girls.

[insaan]

Some of these Indian posters really are a sensitive bunch of girls.

Cant blame them when at one hand R_A says that he is pointing this "stat" so that Indians show Ponting some respect, and later says that it was all for humour. Should have let us know earlier, so that Indians would have had a laugh too.

[insaan]

Yes it will be unfair, because SRT was playing Tests long before BNG gained Test Status.

Ponting's career of 16 years, is being compared with 85 years of India's Test record.

When you say India were whipping boys for several decades, that's exactly the point of this thread, and using Ponting's Test win stats to compare with India's Test win stats just serves to prove how bad India truly were/are.

Will it be fair to compare Suresh Raina with the test record of Bangladesh.

Raina made his test debut in 2010, and already has more win than BD who have been playing since more than a decade.

R_A was just stating an amusing fact, but he over-estimated everyones sense of humour.

[adit_sh]

There are more interesting stat than this go and Enjoy

Ian Chappel till he retired( 1981-82) was part of Australian team winning 35 matches > Entire Nation of India till 1981 ( India won only 33 matches )

Allan Border till he retired (93-94) was part of Australian team winning 50 matches = Entire Nation of India till 93-94( Won 50 matches)

Steve Waugh till he retired(2003-04)was part of Australian team winning 72 matches<Entire Nation of India till 03-04 ( 75 Matches, fell short by 2)

I think Any one in Australia played 100 matches or more can claim this record.....The great Ponting is slightly behind this race than his previous contemporaries :-)

[insaan]

^ But that is not enough. India does lot dislike Ian Chappel, AB or Steve Waugh (my role model). It is Ponting who is disliked, so this "interesting stat" is being used to earn him some respect.

And then this utterly naive logic will have its cheerleaders, who are reasonable posters otherwise. :)

[LethalSami]

the reason Ponting is disliked by neutral viewers and mostly Indians is coz he comes across as arrogant and those wrongly claiming catches and other similar stunts

indians hates him more maybe coz the PHAINTA he serves up to the indian tundlers :nehra

[mastermind_quad]

Ponting is one of the best batsman in world cricket.

But I never liked his batting and never will.My personal opinion.

Wagh Brothers, Langer,Hayden and my fav Gilly ...Wow what a brilliant batsman they are....I love to watch them bat.

From current team Clarke and Warner .....are my fav...:)

[insaan]

the reason Ponting is disliked by neutral viewers and mostly Indians is coz he comes across as arrogant and those wrongly claiming catches and other similar stunts

indians hates him more maybe coz the PHAINTA he serves up to the indian tundlers :nehra

I think most Sachin fans hate him because he once threatened to overtake Sachin's test centuries and total runs.

I have enjoyed riling up Sachin fans in real life, and am not a big fan of Sachin. But I still dislike Ponting. I have enjoyed Gilly and Waugh giving phainty to our bowlers, even liked Symonds doing well against us. But something in Ponting just does not evoke any respect from me. Dravid is a lesser batsman compared to Ponting, but I still Respect Dravid.

Forget Indians, even Ian Chappel has condemned Pontings behaviour.

I know I will miss the dogfight that Ponting brings to cricket, but he can never be the person I would wish to emulate. And that is just an opinion of a nobody in Cricket.

[par]

I think most Sachin fans hate him because he once threatened to overtake Sachin's test centuries and total runs.

I have enjoyed riling up Sachin fans in real life, and am not a big fan of Sachin. But I still dislike Ponting. I have enjoyed Gilly and Waugh giving phainty to our bowlers, even liked Symonds doing well against us. But something in Ponting just does not evoke any respect from me. Dravid is a lesser batsman compared to Ponting, but I still Respect Dravid.

Forget Indians, even Ian Chappel has condemned Pontings behaviour.

I know I will miss the dogfight that Ponting brings to cricket, but he can never be the person I would wish to emulate. And that is just an opinion of a nobody in Cricket.

Not only Sachin fans, most Indian fans dislike Ponting.

As for Sachin fans, I didn't see them disliking Lara who, a large section of people think, was better than Tendulkar.

[Anfield]

I don't understand why only Indians dislike Ponting? It's not like he was arrogant against India only. He played same way against every team including Pakistan, England, South Africa yet it's only Indians who dislike him.

[par]

I don't understand why only Indians dislike Ponting? It's not like he was arrogant against India only. He played same way against every team including Pakistan, England, South Africa yet it's only Indians who dislike him.

It's like Pakistanis hating Tendulkar.

[Namak_Halaal]

As for Sachin fans, I didn't see them disliking Lara who, a large section of people think, was better than Tendulkar.

Lara didn't score a century in a WC Final against India.

[Kwremb]

It's like Pakistanis hating Tendulkar.

India & Australia aren't rivals, your post would make sense for the English :))

[cricketindiafan]

I don't understand why only Indians dislike Ponting? It's not like he was arrogant against India only. He played same way against every team including Pakistan, England, South Africa yet it's only Indians who dislike him.

What? Ponting was booed at every venue during the last Ashes. Don't tell me the boos were a sign of showing respect to the legend.

[par]

Rivals, yes. But Indians hate Ponting more than any Pakistani player in particular.

[cricketindiafan]

Hate is a strong word. Its more of dislike that some fans have. The Sydney fiasco of 2008 played a major role in it. But to generalise and say all Indians dislike Ponting is wrong. When he hit a 100 vs us in WC QF at Ahmedabad, he was cheered as well as any other 100 is cheered.

[Random Aussie]

There are more interesting stat than this go and Enjoy

Ian Chappel till he retired( 1981-82) was part of Australian team winning 35 matches > Entire Nation of India till 1981 ( India won only 33 matches )

Allan Border till he retired (93-94) was part of Australian team winning 50 matches = Entire Nation of India till 93-94( Won 50 matches)

Steve Waugh till he retired(2003-04)was part of Australian team winning 72 matches<Entire Nation of India till 03-04 ( 75 Matches, fell short by 2)

I think Any one in Australia played 100 matches or more can claim this record.....The great Ponting is slightly behind this race than his previous contemporaries :-)

Nice :D

If only we hadn't started losing tests this thread and concept would have been so much better to say Ponting more wins than India.

Other thing is that it won't be achievable for anyone else now.

[cricketindiafan]

RA, its unfair on your part not to start a similar thread about Ponting vs Pakistan. I know you love to troll us, but comeon for once do it for Pakistani fans as well.

Me or any other Indian PPer doing it wouldn't have the same impact. In RA, we believe :P

[Blitz]

The intent of the thread is not to troll Indians. But Indian fans in general are very sensitive and defensive anyway.

This.

Ponting is not far of Pakistan either, yet we hardly seem to care.

Indians seem to be crying about it non-stop.

How embarrasing. :moyo

[James]

Ponting was booed at Headingley '09 by the kind of people you sometimes get around Leeds. Not that Indians understand the concept of banter anyway, as E.M. Forster said.

In the 4th innings at the Oval that year, Ponting received a huge standing ovation before and after his knock. Because England knew it might not see him here again, and wanted to pay respect to this legend.

Consider the way Indian fans talk about Ponting, and there's no comparison that can be made with the classier English fans.

[Random Aussie]

RA, its unfair on your part not to start a similar thread about Ponting vs Pakistan. I know you love to troll us, but comeon for once do it for Pakistani fans as well.

Me or any other Indian PPer doing it wouldn't have the same impact. In RA, we believe :P

Well Pakistan won three Tests in a row against England which i think puts them on 116 or so wins. Which Ponting wont get to before they win more.

India v Ponting is closer :)

[khalil1986]

Well Pakistan won three Tests in a row against England which i think puts them on 116 or so wins. Which Ponting wont get to before they win more.

India v Ponting is closer :)

RA just make one mate, it'll make the Indians feel a little more secure about themselves. We won't mind one bit.

[adit_sh]

Nice :D

If only we hadn't started losing tests this thread and concept would have been so much better to say Ponting more wins than India.

Other thing is that it won't be achievable for anyone else now.

Chappelli had this credit, and Iam sure AB would have had before Indians equalled it and you have more players in the past who would have had this achievement like DK Lilleee, Thomson, Richie Benaud etc.... Ponting clearly did not live up to his predecessors expectations so thats the reason he is not liked by some Indians :-)

[Lethalweapon]

Ponting was booed at Headingley '09 by the kind of people you sometimes get around Leeds. Not that Indians understand the concept of banter anyway, as E.M. Forster said.

In the 4th innings at the Oval that year, Ponting received a huge standing ovation before and after his knock. Because England knew it might not see him here again, and wanted to pay respect to this legend.

Consider the way Indian fans talk about Ponting, and there's no comparison that can be made with the classier English fans.

You are generalising. Indians were the ones who were sympathising with him 6 months ago., your english fans were mocking him calling him an easy walking wkt. in the next ashes. Some are still doing it after WI series.
You and RA obviously missed the reactions of the Indian fans when Dravid said some good things about Ponting. They were positive.

As far as 'standing ovations' are concerned , I hate it when a certain Indian gets them.

[justbetter]

absolutely nothing with the arrogance ponting brings, its all about fierce fair competition. What i hate are players who have ball tampered (real cheaters) like dravid and sachin, or whats worse lying to judges to cover for your racist mates. Ponting has integrity which is part of the reason he knew how to lead a team to so many victories.

[insaan]

absolutely nothing with the arrogance ponting brings, its all about fierce fair competition. What i hate are players who have ball tampered (real cheaters) like dravid and sachin, or whats worse lying to judges to cover for your racist mates. Ponting has integrity which is part of the reason he knew how to lead a team to so many victories.

What do you say about Afridi for pitch and ball tampering.

What do you say about great Imran. "In 1994, Imran Khan confessed that, during Test matches, he "occasionally scratched the side of the ball and lifted the seam." He had also said, "Only once did I use an object. When Sussex were playing Hampshire in 1981 the ball was not deviating at all. I got the 12th man to bring out a bottle top and it started to move around a lot."

Not defending Dravid or Sachin. Just want to know whether your views are consistent or blinded by nationalism like many here.

[justbetter]

Non are as good as ponting in terms of that winning spirit.
Imrans a better leader though because he knew how to do it without being caught but had the intergrity to admit it later, ala langers 'creaky' bat lol

[insaan]

Non are as good as ponting in terms of that winning spirit.
Imrans a better leader though because he knew how to do it without being caught but had the intergrity to admit it later, ala langers 'creaky' bat lol

Will you use the word cheaters for Afridi and Imran Khan, for ball tampering? Like the way you used your earlier post.

If yes, then congratulations for not being blinded by nationalism.

[James]

You are generalising. Indians were the ones who were sympathising with him 6 months ago., your english fans were mocking him calling him an easy walking wkt. in the next ashes. Some are still doing it after WI series.
You and RA obviously missed the reactions of the Indian fans when Dravid said some good things about Ponting. They were positive.

As far as 'standing ovations' are concerned , I hate it when a certain Indian gets them.

Like I said. No concept of banter nor class.

[justbetter]

yeh, trying to shred a side of the ball with your teeh = cheater
never saw what imran did
im not pakistani

[insaan]

Lara didn't score a century in a WC Final against India.

Now I understand. It was because his scored a winning century against us in WC Final.

Funny, Indians don't have Aravinda who knocked them out of 96 SF. They don't hate Jayasuriya who gave a thrashing to their bowlers many times. They don't hate Inzi who was responsible for many Indian defeats.

But they hate one guy who scored a WC Final century. If that is really true, I have respect for Indian fans now. They have reserved their hatred only for the ultimate achiever. Every player should want to be hated by Indians if that is the case. :)

[insaan]

So what is this thread about?
1. Troll Indian fans: That is easy actually. But let us admit if that is the motive. I will take R_A's word that this is not the reason.

2. To earn respect for Ponting from Indian fans. If anything it has brought out their dislike for him. Thread fail.

3. To prove Indian fans lack class: In general, I would agree with that sentiment. But we could have had a direct discussion instead of hiding behind a player vs nation comparison.

4. To prove Indian fans lack a sense of humour: Mea culpa. Even the Pakistani fans fell for it and tried to defend the OP with reason.

5. Yet another India bashing thread: That is how most threads end up anyway.

So which one is it?

[justbetter]

its about how ponting achieved more than 1 billion cricket mad people over a longer period of time. its a rather interesting stat and footnote thats all dont take it so personally

[insaan]

its about how ponting achieved more than 1 billion cricket mad people over a longer period of time. its a rather interesting stat and footnote thats all dont take it so personally

Not taking personally.

Ponting has indeed achieved more than 1 billion fans, in cricket. But are we going to compare players with fans now? I am against the method taken to prove that fact. It is fundamentally flawed.

[velu]

Most indian fans will acknowledge that Ponting is an ATG or atleast a great player under normal circumstances.

Things will go bad for Ponting once he is compared with Sachin. :D

Most indian cricket fans wont give any credit to the player they hate.

[Namak_Halaal]

Now I understand. It was because his scored a winning century against us in WC Final.

Funny, Indians don't have Aravinda who knocked them out of 96 SF. They don't hate Jayasuriya who gave a thrashing to their bowlers many times. They don't hate Inzi who was responsible for many Indian defeats.

But they hate one guy who scored a WC Final century. If that is really true, I have respect for Indian fans now. They have reserved their hatred only for the ultimate achiever. Every player should want to be hated by Indians if that is the case. :)

Well, Indian fans deep down believe the 96 SF was *fixed* so not sure if it counts.

The only reasons I can think of are :

1 - Ponting's 2003 WC Final knock.
2 - Ponting taming Indian bowling.
3 - Ponting was a threat to SRT's records.

Perhaps all 3.

[Random Aussie]

So what is this thread about?
1. Troll Indian fans: That is easy actually. But let us admit if that is the motive. I will take R_A's word that this is not the reason.

2. To earn respect for Ponting from Indian fans. If anything it has brought out their dislike for him. Thread fail.

3. To prove Indian fans lack class: In general, I would agree with that sentiment. But we could have had a direct discussion instead of hiding behind a player vs nation comparison.

4. To prove Indian fans lack a sense of humour: Mea culpa. Even the Pakistani fans fell for it and tried to defend the OP with reason.

5. Yet another India bashing thread: That is how most threads end up anyway.

So which one is it?

If you had been on PP for a while, you would know I have kept an eye on this stat since Ponting was in the 90s in terms of test wins. Ponting is the all time record holder for Test wins and the first player to notch 100 Test wins.

So I found it interesting to see that achievement vs Test wins of countries. Then it didn't matter because we lost heaps and India won heaps. Then the reverse happened hence this thread and bump.

It doesn't prove anything more than Ponting has been part of those wins. It isn't a defence of Ponting either. It is what it is, i thought it was interesting so i posted it and if that upsets some Indian fans well I don't really care.

[insaan]

Well, Indian fans deep down believe the 96 SF was *fixed* so not sure if it counts.

The only reasons I can think of are :

1 - Ponting's 2003 WC Final knock.
2 - Ponting taming Indian bowling.
3 - Ponting was a threat to SRT's records.

Perhaps all 3.

1. Might be a grain of truth there. Indians of the earlier generation hated Miandad for that six. And, if true, it is actually a compliment for Ponting.
2. Doesn't count, as every Tom and Harry has tamed Indian bowling.
3. That is one of the reason, in my opinion, for Sachin fans hating him.

But why are we discounting the possibility that it has also something to do with Ponting's behavior, his disrespect for Umpires and his arrogance in general?

[insaan]

If you had been on PP for a while, you would know I have kept an eye on this stat since Ponting was in the 90s in terms of test wins. Ponting is the all time record holder for Test wins and the first player to notch 100 Test wins.

So I found it interesting to see that achievement vs Test wins of countries. Then it didn't matter because we lost heaps and India won heaps. Then the reverse happened hence this thread and bump.

It doesn't prove anything more than Ponting has been part of those wins. It isn't a defence of Ponting either. It is what it is, i thought it was interesting so i posted it and if that upsets some Indian fans well I don't really care.

Fair enough.

I indeed read too much into it if that is the case. :)

[justbetter]

what has ponting done specifically that was arrogant anyway? since we don't actually know the reasons he does what he does.

[statsguru]

But you set the bar too low for Ponting by comparing him with the team results.

Only an idiot would say this that the OP has set the bar too low. IMHO he has showed how great Ponting actually is. He has won for his country just few less than we whole billions have won for our country.




But does that make me respect him? No. I still do not respect him. He has often crossed the line and shown bad behavior on the field. He has lost his temper on many occasions. He has been fined for showing dissent. .

Again only an idiot like you can say this. Guys like you make us shame by saying such things


Give up and accept that Punter is one of the greatest math winner.

[statsguru]

Well, Indian fans deep down believe the 96 SF was *fixed* so not sure if it counts.

The only reasons I can think of are :

1 - Ponting's 2003 WC Final knock.
2 - Ponting taming Indian bowling.
3 - Ponting was a threat to SRT's records.

Perhaps all 3.

For the first time and possibly last time I have to agree with you on this.

[insaan]

Only an idiot would say this that the OP has set the bar too low. IMHO he has showed how great Ponting actually is. He has won for his country just few less than we whole billions have won for our country.





Again only an idiot like you can say this. Guys like you make us shame by saying such things


Give up and accept that Punter is one of the greatest math winner.

I will accept anything you want, but please don't unleash your stats analysis on me. :)

[statsguru]

Hate is a strong word. Its more of dislike that some fans have. The Sydney fiasco of 2008 played a major role in it. But to generalise and say all Indians dislike Ponting is wrong. When he hit a 100 vs us in WC QF at Ahmedabad, he was cheered as well as any other 100 is cheered.

Well that 100 was cheered because Australia failed to put a huge total on board and lost the match. Had Australia won that match crowd would have burnt Punter alive.

[cricketworm]

Well that 100 was cheered because Australia failed to put a huge total on board and lost the match. Had Australia won that match crowd would have burnt Punter alive.

Stop exaggerating! Looking at Australia's population, I am sure there are fans of Ricky Ponting in India than in Australia.

I am fan of Punter the batsman and Punter the fielder. That is all. Many of hard core indian team fans, who are my friends gave him standing ovation on that ground.

[par]

Only an idiot would say this that the OP has set the bar too low. IMHO he has showed how great Ponting actually is. He has won for his country just few less than we whole billions have won for our country.





Again only an idiot like you can say this. Guys like you make us shame by saying such things


Give up and accept that Punter is one of the greatest math winner.

I never learned to play cricket. Now I realize that I've failed my country big time. Shame on me.

[insaan]

Statsguru for President!

He will bring the fear of stats in every Indian.

[cricketworm]

I just dislike this "Indian fans this and Indian fans that crap" Then who do you think you are then? Hate this 'I am holier than thou! crap' snobbish tone! Get off the high horse. This is internet forum! No-one knows you! Stop trying to prove you are better than any other poster!

STOP cheerleading yourself.

/rant.

[insaan]

I just dislike this "Indian fans this and Indian fans that crap" Then who do you think you are then? Hate this 'I am holier than thou! crap' snobbish tone! Get off the high horse. This is internet forum! No-one knows you! Stop trying to prove you are better than any other poster!

STOP cheerleading yourself.

/rant.

Who do I think I am? An Indian who loves Cricket. I am not a fan of any particular country. I gave up on nationalism long time back. If that makes me sound holier than thou, I cannot help it. Why is it so unacceptable that someone can have different POVs.

But of course, proving myself better on an internet forum, where no one knows me, an I don't know anyone, is the aim of my life. :)

[Lethalweapon]

Like I said. No concept of banter nor class.

english fans were mocking him calling him (predicting) an easy walking wkt. in the next ashes.
That is a fact. That applies to some fans not all fans, but your comments suggests all Indian fans are classless.

you are pretty good at twisting facts, eg. most of the test contenders from India have hardly done anything in the IPL, some of them like Pujara,Unmukt chand have barely played. even Rahane hardly played before the current season. Others like Kohli have been big failures in IPL.
Pitches have been low scoring most of the times since last year (only Gayle was consistent,lol.). not what people on this forum assume.
Go and see the India A team squad to tour WI and see how many of them are even playing the IPL forget dominating it. hardly a few of them.

[insaan]

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[Lethalweapon]

For the first time and possibly last time I have to agree with you on this.

Really, did Ponting really tame Harby in tests? Harby was not playing during all 150+ scores he got , all in Australia. Ponting's only test ton in India was good (his best against India probably) but that was tough and there is nothing else apart from that here. He did improve last time i recall but got out to Raina couple of times lol.

[cricketworm]

Who do I think I am? An Indian who loves Cricket. I am not a fan of any particular country. I gave up on nationalism long time back. If that makes me sound holier than thou, I cannot help it. Why is it so unacceptable that someone can have different POVs.

But of course, proving myself better on an internet forum, where no one knows me, an I don't know anyone, is the aim of my life. :)

Post was not for you.

[Blitz]

Really, did Ponting really tame Harby in tests? Harby was not playing during all 150+ scores he got , all in Australia. .

Yes, taming 'harby' is definately the benchmark for a great batsman.


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[Lethalweapon]

Yes, taming 'harby' is definately the benchmark for a great batsman.


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I am not talking about a Pakistani batsman here. Ponting had big problems vs Harby. It is very well known atleast in Aus and India.Not sure about Pakistan, Saqlain Mushtaq did mention that some time back , lol. (He was interviewed last 2 tours of India to Eng.Harby was dropped in 2007.)
The statement Ponting tamed Indian bowlers' is wrong (in tests).Even those Indian bowlers had their moments against him:Ishant,Yadav. It was always Hayden and even more Damien Martyn. Ponting was only good at home when Harby did not play. He got only 1 hundred vs Harby at home but was dropped 2-3 times. Funnily that was repeated in the ODI that year:2008.

[Bilal7]

I am not talking about a Pakistani batsman here. Ponting had big problems vs Harby. It is very well known atleast in Aus and India.Not sure about Pakistan, Saqlain Mushtaq did mention that some time back , lol. (He was interviewed last 2 tours of India to Eng.Harby was dropped in 2007.)
The statement Ponting tamed Indian bowlers' is wrong (in tests).Even those Indian bowlers had their moments against him:Ishant,Yadav. It was always Hayden and even more Damien Martyn. Ponting was only good at home when Harby did not play. He got only 1 hundred vs Harby at home but was dropped 2-3 times. Funnily that was repeated in the ODI that year:2008.

I don't really think any non-Indian cricket fan cares that Ponting allegedly had problems with Bhajji and frankly neither does Ponting. He just wasn't worth conquering.

Are you really playing down the legends of batting that Pakistan have produced overtime? I would say we have more 'great' batsmen than India does.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

I don't really think any non-Indian cricket fan cares that Ponting allegedly had problems with Bhajji and frankly neither does Ponting. He just wasn't worth conquering.

Are you really playing down the legends of batting that Pakistan have produced overtime? I would say we have more 'great' batsmen than India does.

Indias FTB ing is better than ours

[Anfield]

What? Ponting was booed at every venue during the last Ashes. Don't tell me the boos were a sign of showing respect to the legend.
He got standing ovation at headingly when he overtook Allan Border as the Australian highest runs scorer.

Hate is a strong word. Its more of dislike that some fans have. The Sydney fiasco of 2008 played a major role in it. But to generalise and say all Indians dislike Ponting is wrong. When he hit a 100 vs us in WC QF at Ahmedabad, he was cheered as well as any other 100 is cheered.

Ponting was booed heavily by the Indian crowd during the QF presentation. Why would you boo someone who probably has played his last WC match ever?

[bmwduran]

On the Pak vs India front:

Pak has won the same number of tests as India i.e. 112 but Pak did that in almost 100 less tests

Pak has lost only 100 of the tests played vs 146 for India

Indian team jindabaad...Pakistan who?

Not surprised at all because bowlers win you tests and Pak has always been superior to india in that department,

[IndianWillow]

I don't understand why only Indians dislike Ponting? It's not like he was arrogant against India only. He played same way against every team including Pakistan, England, South Africa yet it's only Indians who dislike him.

Indians dont dislike Ponting. Far from it. Sachinistas may "dislike" Ponting because he is a serious challenger to their hero.

[par]

Indias FTB ing is better than ours

If you are not that much FTB, how come you do well in Pakistan's flat tracks?

BTW, I don't see batsman scoring on flat tracks as a bad thing. They are supposed to get more runs on flat wickets than lively ones.

[kerala porotta]

Indians dont dislike Ponting. Far from it. Sachinistas may "dislike" Ponting because he is a serious challenger to their hero.

Agreed with the 1st part of your statement... Ponting being challenge to sachin hahaha now this is hilarious

[IndianWillow]

Agreed with the 1st part of your statement... Ponting being challenge to sachin hahaha now this is hilarious

What is hilarious about this? Take a poll if you want, any Indian fan who dislikes Ponting/Richards/Bradman etc is likely to be a die hard Sachin fan - nobody else cares so much for records and comparisons.

[kerala porotta]

What is hilarious about this? Take a poll if you want, any Indian fan who dislikes Ponting/Richards/Bradman etc is likely to be a die hard Sachin fan - nobody else cares so much for records and comparisons.

I never disputed this.. i find it hilarious when cricket fans compare ponting to sachin because sachin is miles ahead of ponting

[James]

sachin is miles ahead of ponting

Codswallop.

Punter has an amazing record in all formats of the game including 71 hundreds. He has won 3 Cricket World Cups, twice as captain and once via scoring a big hundred in the final.

After being involved in over 160 Tests and 370 ODIs, Ponting is Australia's leading run-scorer in Test and ODI cricket. He is one of only three players in history to have scored 13,000 Test runs. Statistically, he is the most successful captain of all time, with 48 victories in 77 Tests between 2004 and 31 December 2010, while as a player he is also the only cricketer in history to be involved in 100 Test victories.

Punter averaged 50+ with the bat while captaining the most successful test team of all time, and he has put in many more match-saving and match-winning performances than Sachin.

So I'd say you're wrong.