Violence mars Punjab Bandh in Jalandhar, Sikh protestors gheraoed Shan-e- Punjab

[soton]

JALANDHAR: Violent incidents of ransacking shops in Attari bazaar, a hub of wholesale business and two banks situated at Phagwara gate and Mandi road marred Punjab bandh here, call for which was given by the Jathedar of Sri Akal Takhat Saheb Gurbachan Singh to press the government for granting clemency to Balwant Singh Rajoana, condemned to death by a Chandigarh Court in the former Chief Minister Beant Singh’s assassination case.

More than 2000 Sikhs including women and youth activists in different groups on motorcycles and SUV’s hoisting saffron flags marched into the bazaars and forced the people to down the shutters of their business ventures. They gave blows of swords and lathis on the shutters of closed shops also to create panic. The police remained a silent spectator during all the times instead to chase away the miscreants creating law and order problem.

Rumours about the march of the Sikh protestors towards BMC chowk to smash the statue of former slain chief minister Beant Singh remained all the times on the rife keeping the police and the media on toes. More than 1500 Sikh protestors’ ghearoed Amritsar bound Shan-e-Punjab train in the afternoon near Hoshiarpur Railway Crossing on Jalandhar-Amritsar railway track.

The Sikh youths brandishing swords entered the Attari bazaar in the morning and raised the half open shutter of a glass house and smashed many photo frames and glass sheets. The miscreants also attacked the adjoining provision store and smashed a costly machine. The owner of the provision store alleged that the miscreants who were brandishing unsheathed swords tried to loot the cash from the cash box placed in the front counter of the shop.

When he resisted the miscreants tried to injure him with the attack of a sword. The miscreant fled raising slogans after the people started gathering in the bazaar. The police in heavy strength also rushed to the spot. The police did not try to chase the hooligans.

The protestors after creating disturbance in Attari bazaar rushed towards the OBC bank situated in Phagwara gate conducting routine business. They smashed the entrance door of the bank which was made of fabric glass and then entered in to the bank and smashed goods placed on the tables with the help of unsheathed swords.

Likewise another branch of the bank situated on mandi road was ransacked. The Sikhs also forced the lawyers to close their chambers and shouted slogans in favour of Khalistan and Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale.

They tried to force the municipal authorities to close the municipal offices but in vain. They also tried to get the LIC and other offices of the private ventures closed in front of the Deputy Commissioner’s Administrative complex.
Petrol Pump owners kept their pumps closed by blocking the entry using barricade of ropes. State and private run bus transports also remained off the road to avoid any type of mishap and loss of property and human lives in the wake of Punjab bandh call.

http://www.punjabnewsline.com/content/violence-mars-punjab-bandh-jalandhar-sikh-protestors-gheraoed-shan-e-punjab/39549

[freelance_cricketer]

We are paying a big price for our slow judicial system. An unnecessary and untimely controversy really.

[Arcturus]

^ yes first Afzal Guru then Kasab and now Rajoana.

[soton]

Imagine if Indian Muslims had come out to protest against Afzal guru punishment then all the right wing parties would have called them traitors so far nothing from BJP & its sister organisations ....

[zhivago]

Imagine if Indian Muslims had come out to protest against Afzal guru punishment then all the right wing parties would have called them traitors so far nothing from BJP & its sister organisations ....

Because for them the enemies are the Muslims, and Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs, Tribals are being brought under the Hindu umbrella. After Muslims it might be the turn of Sikhs. Oh wait, there was 1984.

[AnotherIndian]

Imagine if Indian Muslims had come out to protest against Afzal guru punishment then all the right wing parties would have called them traitors so far nothing from BJP & its sister organisations ....

Dude, What Afzal Guru did, he should have been hanged long time back.

Thanks to minority appeasement politics, he is still alive. Why don't you highlight that part??

Also, you always try to play the victim card!!! Were you ever discriminated from getting jobs? Were you discriminated at school??
Were you not given a rental house just because you are a Muslim?

Let me tell you... I come from Brahmin community and a lot of people wont give us house for rentals.. They think we are too orthodox. We don't get jobs even after securing over 90% in academics... We don't get admissions to best colleges because the seats have been reserved for backward castes, SC/ST and minorities(Includes Muslims)...

Now do we play the victim card? Have you ever heard any forward caste guy whining about discrimination?

From what I have seen, India is for everyone... Yes, there are still bad things in our society... Dalits get discriminated... Forward castest get discriminated, Minorities(Muslims) are sometimes treated as traitors and their religion insulted (I know it happens)...

As a society we are improving... It is much better now that it was in 80's and 90's. It might take another 50yrs before people forget all these minor differences.

One thing I will agree is that RSS does not go well with Abrahamic religions..... That includes both Christians and Muslims... RSS is now an irrelevant organization which has lost its popularity..

[AnotherIndian]

Because for them the enemies are the Muslims, and Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs, Tribals are being brought under the Hindu umbrella. After Muslims it might be the turn of Sikhs. Oh wait, there was 1984.

These religions are born in India... They have borrowed some principles from Hinduism.....

[Stewie]

So what you are saying is that there is a quota system in India for minorities and some Hindus face discriminiation due to it?

That has to be tough. I believe a quota system should be in place for a specific period so the minorities and whatnot get to the same level as the majority in society and then it should be phased out.

I have never been a firm believer of the quota system.

[zhivago]

These religions are born in India... They have borrowed some principles from Hinduism.....

Off topic.
Born in India doesn't mean that they come under Hinduism. Jainism and Buddhism rejected Hinduism, in fact.

[AnotherIndian]

Off topic.
Born in India doesn't mean that they come under Hinduism. Jainism and Buddhism rejected Hinduism, in fact.

Agreed, these mentioned religions rejected some fundamental concepts of Hinduism. At the same time, they also borrowed some concepts.

RSS/VHP seems to have some members from Jain/Sikh communities too...

[Arcturus]

So what you are saying is that there is a quota system in India for minorities and some Hindus face discriminiation due to it?

That has to be tough. I believe a quota system should be in place for a specific period so the minorities and whatnot get to the same level as the majority in society and then it should be phased out.

I have never been a firm believer of the quota system.

The General populace is now in minority with quotas for OBCs (Other Backward Classes), SC (Scheduled Caste), ST (Scheduled Tribe), Muslims, Christians, Women. Overall reservation sometimes crosses 50% mark.

And they do not exclude the economically strong minorities or the so-called Creamy-Layer (Except for OBCs). So even if your parents are millionaire, you can get in through quota. This, I believe, defeats the whole purpose of reservation which is upliftment of economically weaker classes.

[Itachi]

The General populace is now in minority with quotas for OBCs (Other Backward Classes), SC (Scheduled Caste), ST (Scheduled Tribe), Muslims, Christians, Women. Overall reservation sometimes crosses 50% mark.

And they do not exclude the economically strong minorities or the so-called Creamy-Layer (Except for OBCs). So even if your parents are millionaire, you can get in through quota. This, I believe, defeats the whole purpose of reservation which is upliftment of economically weaker classes.

exactly! I don't mind giving up on my sit and give advantage to a guy from hilly area who probably walked miles after miles everyday to goto school.

But i hate to see when securing 95% marks, i can't get into a college and my friend, who is minority by birth, who had got equal opportunities as me or more, will get the seats for scoring 60%. (one reason why i had to come to ukraine).

The concept was good. But implementation was horribly wrong. Plus, if a minority student scores good marks, he'l be allotted in generals seat. So we, the general, who has already uneligible for those 50% or more reserved seats, now have to sacrifice from our general quota too.

Yup, in educational sector, this discrimination hurts the students from general quota very much.

[Garuda]

Imagine if Indian Muslims had come out to protest against Afzal guru punishment then all the right wing parties would have called them traitors so far nothing from BJP & its sister organisations ....
After you created this thread, I was positively waiting for this post of yours. :)

[Garuda]

So what you are saying is that there is a quota system in India for minorities and some Hindus face discriminiation due to it?

That has to be tough. I believe a quota system should be in place for a specific period so the minorities and whatnot get to the same level as the majority in society and then it should be phased out.

I have never been a firm believer of the quota system.

That was the original idea.

But it has become a monster now. Who will revoke it and upset the vote bank. No political party wants to stop it.

What is worse is new groups start demanding reservations for themselves. So the pie is getting shorter and shorter for general people.

Other issue is the reservation is not reaching the real needy. The people who enjoyed reservation after independence, their children and grand children are enjoying it.

[Ambi]

That was the original idea.

But it has become a monster now. Who will revoke it and upset the vote bank. No political party wants to stop it.

What is worse is new groups start demanding reservations for themselves. So the pie is getting shorter and shorter for general people.

Other issue is the reservation is not reaching the real needy. The people who enjoyed reservation after independence, their children and grand children are enjoying it.

people need reservation on economic basis rather than caste basis

[Ambi]

Because for them the enemies are the Muslims, and Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs, Tribals are being brought under the Hindu umbrella. After Muslims it might be the turn of Sikhs. Oh wait, there was 1984.

RSS was the first organisation who supported sikhs and prevented further attacks from congress men on them

[zhivago]

RSS was the first organisation who supported sikhs and prevented further attacks from congress men on them

http://pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=4223489&postcount=187

from the thread http://pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=136922

[Ambi]

Sikh intellectual and author of 'A History of the Sikhs', Khushwant Singh, credits members of the RSS with helping and protecting Sikhs who were being targeted by members of the Congress(I) political party during the 1984 Anti-Sikh Riots. Singh who otherwise has been critical of the RSS and believes that it is a " communal organization and dangerous to the country's secular fabric"
"RSS has played an honorable role in maintaining Hindu-Sikh unity before and after the murder of Indira Gandhi in Delhi and in other places"
"It was the Congress (I) leaders who instigated mobs in 1984 and got more than 3000 people killed. I must give due credit to RSS and the BJP for showing courage and protecting helpless Sikhs during those difficult days

[soton]

Dude, What Afzal Guru did, he should have been hanged long time back.

Thanks to minority appeasement politics, he is still alive. Why don't you highlight that part??

Also, you always try to play the victim card!!! Were you ever discriminated from getting jobs? Were you discriminated at school??
Were you not given a rental house just because you are a Muslim?

Let me tell you... I come from Brahmin community and a lot of people wont give us house for rentals.. They think we are too orthodox. We don't get jobs even after securing over 90% in academics... We don't get admissions to best colleges because the seats have been reserved for backward castes, SC/ST and minorities(Includes Muslims)...

Now do we play the victim card? Have you ever heard any forward caste guy whining about discrimination?

From what I have seen, India is for everyone... Yes, there are still bad things in our society... Dalits get discriminated... Forward castest get discriminated, Minorities(Muslims) are sometimes treated as traitors and their religion insulted (I know it happens)...

As a society we are improving... It is much better now that it was in 80's and 90's. It might take another 50yrs before people forget all these minor differences.

One thing I will agree is that RSS does not go well with Abrahamic religions..... That includes both Christians and Muslims... RSS is now an irrelevant organization which has lost its popularity..

Please read the judgement and you will find how afzal became victim of political witch hunt and there are many unanswered question in his case.Even if we agree for argument sake with supreme court ruling if muslims had protested in his favour right wing hindutva groups would have been up in arms and so called liberals like joining in chorus blaming congress of vote bank politics.

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[soton]

After you created this thread, I was positively waiting for this post of yours. :)

I am glad havent disappointed you giddy garuda:D

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[Ambi]

@soton-will Indian Muslims always stand with Pakistanis

[soton]

[QUOTE=Ambi;4734391]@soton-will Indian Muslims always stand with

Why do we need to prove our loyalty to morons who question our integrity. Would you choose nepali hindus over indian muslims:banghead:.


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[Ambi]

[QUOTE=Ambi;4734391]@soton-will Indian Muslims always stand with

Why do we need to prove our loyalty to morons who question our integrity. Would you choose nepali hindus over indian muslims:banghead:.


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thank you for your reply.first of all iam an indian and also iam an atheist.

[Arcturus]

[QUOTE=soton;4734408]

thank you for your reply.first of all iam an indian and also iam an aesthetic.

? I think you meant atheist

[Ambi]

[QUOTE=Ambi;4734444]

? I think you meant atheist

atheist right thank you for correcting me

[Garuda]

I am glad havent disappointed you giddy garuda:D

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Absolutely not.

I very well guessed it. :)

[soton]

[QUOTE=soton;4734408]

thank you for your reply.first of all iam an indian and also iam an aesthetic.

Well going by your avatar you dont look aestheically pleasing unless you are asin thottamkal or you meant atheist.:D:D.what difference does it makes if you are atheist you still dont have the right to question loyalty of indian muslims.


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[KingKhanWC]

Is this related? A new video today.

Shiv Sena burning Sikh Turban.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/k-viaWJhbr4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[soton]

Absolutely not.

I very well guessed it. :)

Ok will recommend you for dada saheb palke award for getting it right.;)

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[Garuda]

Ok will recommend you for dada saheb palke award for getting it right.;)

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I hope you know that Dada Saheb palke award is not given to mind readers. :P

But no surprise. You always mix up things.

[soton]

I hope you know that Dada Saheb palke award is not given to mind readers. :P

But no surprise. You always mix up things.

I am fully aware who gets DSPA as expected you didnt get it why i proposed your name for it :p




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[soton]

Is this related? A new video today.

Shiv Sena burning Sikh Turban.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/k-viaWJhbr4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Yes this incident is related to protest to stop execution of Rajoana .This was the shiv sena which showered rose petals on hindutva terrorist who planted bombs in samjhauta express and malegaon blasts.


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[Garuda]

I am fully aware who gets DSPA as expected you didnt get it why i proposed your name for it :p




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May be not.

Giving it to a Brahmin would make some people from some community cry victim card of discrimination.

[soton]

May be not.

Giving it to a Brahmin would make some people from some community cry victim card of discrimination.

What makes you a brahmin your faith or your ancestry.Brahmins have screwed india for centuries but i will still oppose discrimination against people for the crimes of their ancestors.


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[Garuda]

What makes you a brahmin your faith or your ancestry.Brahmins have screwed india for centuries but i will still oppose discrimination against people for the crimes of their ancestors.


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One decent thought I would say.

I wish you could think this rationally most of the times :P

Anyway, I will let you go to your original post of connecting the news in OP with muslims in India. You have a big issue to discuss and I am not at all interested in it. :)

[soton]

One decent thought I would say.

I wish you could think this rationally most of the times :P

Anyway, I will let you go to your original post of connecting the news in OP with muslims in India. You have a big issue to discuss and I am not at all interested in it. :)

Is it a case of you reading my post for the first time with your astigmatism correction glasses

Thanks I needed your approval on this topic :)

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[Ambi]

Well going by your avatar you dont look aestheically pleasing unless you are asin thottamkal or you meant atheist.:D:D.what difference does it makes if you are atheist you still dont have the right to question loyalty of indian muslims
first of all the person on my avatar is not a swami,he is the great actor shivaji ganeshan.Then asins full name is asin thottumkal not thotumakal.As as indian there is nothing illegal for him to ask another indians opinion on anything.:P '
Editing someones post to make it aesthetic for you is questionable:D

[IAJ]

Just a question out of curiosity:

Do the Sikhs in India want an independent country?

[wizard_85]

Just a question out of curiosity:

Do the Sikhs in India want an independent country?

Simple answer NO