Ashraf wants Amir to appeal to ICC to reduce ban period

[ahamedirshad123]

Pakistan Cricket Board Chairman Zaka Ashraf has expressed confidence that banned pacer Mohammad Amir could make an early return to international cricket if he appeals to the International Cricket Council to reconsider his five-year ban on humanitarian grounds.

"I think if Amir goes to ICC and appeals to them not now but after some time he might get a sympathetic hearing and ban period could be reduced," Ashraf said on a TV talk show.

The 19-year-old Pakistani pacer has served his time in jail for his role in the spot-fixing scandal that hit Pakistan cricket on the tour of England in 2010.

He returned home earlier this year after being released from a young offenders' institution where he spent three months according to a court ruling given in October last year.

But, Amir still has to complete a five year ban imposed on him by anti-corruption tribunal of the ICC early last year.

Amir, alongwith teammates Salman Butt and Muhammad Asif, has been banned from the game by the ICC after the spot fixing allegations broke out in England.

Ashraf said the PCB was clear that it would never stand by players involved in corruption but added that in Amir's case there was sympathy for him even in the ICC because of his young age.

"We have, as per the ICC anti-corruption requirements, appointed a psychologist to have counselling sessions with Aamir as part of his reform programme that is necessary under ICC regulations," Ashraf said.

"We are hoping that Amir would have learnt his lesson from what happened to him. He has served his time in jail. As far as his ban is concerned he has to appeal to the ICC directly and plead to them to review his five year ban period," the PCB chief said.

Ashraf said personally he felt sad that the spot-fixing scandal had hit Pakistan cricket in the first place but also satisfied that proper action was taken against the culprits.

"What these players did is unacceptable. But as far as Amir is concerned if he is willing to reform himself then anything can happen in future for him," he said.

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[IM NOT YOU]

his plea should be that he already lost 1 possibility to play in a world cup from his life so banning him for 5 years would make him lose 2 world cups (essentially 8 years of cricketing life for world cup purposes).

if he can reduce the ban from 5 years to 4 years, he will have still learned the same lesson and it would be good for cricket and for amir as he could play in the next world cup.


somebody needs to advise him and ICC to reduce the ban from 5 to 4 years.

[Zamee]

Abey chal na :@

[Saurav]

no comments:D

[Bullet Drive]

1 year has already gone. Almost 2 years. Hopefully after review only 1 more year will be served and then Amir will be back.

[Saurav]

in the mean time Amir needs to work on his batting.seems like there is vacancy there

[LastLaugh_PK]

No place in team for traitors

[qamar84]

inshalla he will be back :amir my boy

[cricketjoshila]

No reviews in this case.He is a cheat and very shrewd.He only accepted his involvement and tried to act innocent when he saw all his doors has been closed.

[cricketfan86]

inshallah he will be back

[Pakistaniboy]

No reviews in this case.He is a cheat and very shrewd.He only accepted his involvement and tried to act innocent when he saw all his doors has been closed.

Evil Genius :11:

[Indiafan]

his plea should be that he already lost 1 possibility to play in a world cup from his life so banning him for 5 years would make him lose 2 world cups (essentially 8 years of cricketing life for world cup purposes).

if he can reduce the ban from 5 years to 4 years, he will have still learned the same lesson and it would be good for cricket and for amir as he could play in the next world cup.


somebody needs to advise him and ICC to reduce the ban from 5 to 4 years.

Has he shown genuine remorse? Representing one's country in the world cup is the biggest of big honors one can hope for, not something which should be handed out as charity. All Amir will learn if the ban is reduced is that rules still dont apply to him, things can always be changed for a super-star no matter what he does. If one is a super-star bans will be reduced, deals will be made and all will be hunky-dory again

[iZeeshan]

No reviews in this case.He is a cheat and very shrewd.He only accepted his involvement and tried to act innocent when he saw all his doors has been closed.

And you know that how?

[cricketjoshila]

And you know that how?

How i know he is a cheat?

On PP there was thread which claimed that,he was offered a deal by ICC to turn a witness.He refused he maintained he was innocent at ICC Dubai hearings.Wanted to appeal to CAS.Only when he was convicted by ICC and criminal proceedings started did he accept that he did fix it.Then he tried to turn all the blame on Butt and Asif.He is a sly guy,not as innocent as people say he is,that he is young etc etc etc.5 years is his ban and after that he can come and play.Same for Asif or Butt.

[spaceshot]

his plea should be that he already lost 1 possibility to play in a world cup from his life so banning him for 5 years would make him lose 2 world cups (essentially 8 years of cricketing life for world cup purposes)


Yea sure, why not.
Aise hi chalta raha toh shayad ab inmates bolenge hukumat ko.. Bhaijaan.. 6 Eid nikal gayi hawalaat mein.. aur zaya mat karo hamari zindagi. Ayinda nahi karenge..

[ads101]

can our own board stop supporting cheats? It makes us look bad.

Amir needs to handle this on his own with his family and any legal representatives he has.

[Zamee]

Instead of Banning this idiot for life, he wants him back without serving his punishment :facepalm:

[Gabbar Singh]

Humanitarian grounds?

[Hamza78]

Before end of 2013 Amir will be in pakistani team watch my words

[Amjid Javed]

I think if ban was reduced to 2/3 years that would be a ideal move by PCB.

[Saurav]

I think if ban was reduced to 2/3 years that would be a ideal move by PCB.

its the ICC who has to deide

[violet_may]

Will not be reduced, especially because the punishment is supposed to act as a deterrent.

I wouldn't want it to be reduced anyways.

[King_Rizzy]

There should be DRS for bans :))) Although Pakistan probably wouldn't use it very well, just like in matches.

[Pakistaniboy]

Let him come back 4-5 months before his Ban is over.

I mean after 4 1/2 years. :D

[iZeeshan]

How i know he is a cheat?

On PP there was thread which claimed that,he was offered a deal by ICC to turn a witness.He refused he maintained he was innocent at ICC Dubai hearings.Wanted to appeal to CAS.Only when he was convicted by ICC and criminal proceedings started did he accept that he did fix it.Then he tried to turn all the blame on Butt and Asif.He is a sly guy,not as innocent as people say he is,that he is young etc etc etc.5 years is his ban and after that he can come and play.Same for Asif or Butt.

I don't have much to say to that, really. It's just a sad state of affairs.

[LegCutter]

He is supposed to be a deterrent. It will not be reduced. And besides, he'll be coming back after 4 years of no cricket, no way he'll be in any condition to play the World Cup

[Smiling Creed]

Yea sure, why not.
Aise hi chalta raha toh shayad ab inmates bolenge hukumat ko.. Bhaijaan.. 6 Eid nikal gayi hawalaat mein.. aur zaya mat karo hamari zindagi. Ayinda nahi karenge..

This had me in splits......Apt comment.

[Smiling Creed]

Guys before making any case, think of future. Take strict action, PCB should create an example, so that if any one in future thinks of going haywire, he is always reminded of Amir. Pakistan is not short of talented bowlers, preserve your future generation. If strict action was taken in 90's, maybe Amir too would have thought twice before accepting bribe.

[pakistanalltheway]

we have already banned asif and salman basically for life and that is an example . Why should we make an example out of a youngster . I say let let him do his years then come back and play .

[spaceshot]

Humanitarian grounds?


Humanitarian grounds ... Seriously ??

What ll he plead upon ...? That he is pregnant ??

[Javelin]

How i know he is a cheat?

On PP there was thread which claimed that,he was offered a deal by ICC to turn a witness.He refused he maintained he was innocent at ICC Dubai hearings.Wanted to appeal to CAS.Only when he was convicted by ICC and criminal proceedings started did he accept that he did fix it.Then he tried to turn all the blame on Butt and Asif.He is a sly guy,not as innocent as people say he is,that he is young etc etc etc.5 years is his ban and after that he can come and play.Same for Asif or Butt.Under the English justice system (and also many other justice systems in the world), convicted criminals can get out of jail early for showing good behaviour. That is why Amir only served 50% of his 6 month jail sentence and was let out after only 3 months in jail.

The ICC could learn from this by creating similar incentives for banned cricketers to be allowed to resume their cricket career early.

Take the example of the banned trio and their 5 year bans.

Under the current rules, even if one of them shows genuine remorse, participates in education awareness programmes in school and colleges to deter the younger generations from committing the same crimes, perhaps even offerring free coaching to youngsters from poorer backgrounds, he will still have to serve the same 5 year ban time as someone who does not do any of the above.

Common sence says that a justice system that takes into account how the convicted offender goes about serving his sentence is better than one that does not.

Which would the ICC prefer ? Amir to sit back for 5 years, do his time and then be free to resume his cricket (and, legally, ICC could not stop him after he has served his ban!), or alternatively, serve his ban by doing some or all of the things mentioned above, with the incentive that there may be a possibility of his ban being reduced ?

[cricketjoshila]

Under the English justice system (and also many other justice systems in the world), convicted criminals can get out of jail early for showing good behaviour. That is why Amir only served 50% of his 6 month jail sentence and was let out after only 3 months in jail.

The ICC could learn from this by creating similar incentives for banned cricketers to be allowed to resume their cricket career early.

Take the example of the banned trio and their 5 year bans.

Under the current rules, even if one of them shows genuine remorse, participates in education awareness programmes in school and colleges to deter the younger generations from committing the same crimes, perhaps even offerring free coaching to youngsters from poorer backgrounds, he will still have to serve the same 5 year ban time as someone who does not do any of the above.

Common sence says that a justice system that takes into account how the convicted offender goes about serving his sentence is better than one that does not.

Which would the ICC prefer ? Amir to sit back for 5 years, do his time and then be free to resume his cricket (and, legally, ICC could not stop him after he has served his ban!), or alternatively, serve his ban by doing some or all of the things mentioned above, with the incentive that there may be a possibility of his ban being reduced ?

If ICC lets him go,tommorow someone else will do the same plead guilty and say i will go under rehabilitation programme and be back in cpl of years.

Samuels was banned for 2-3 years just for taking money from bookie to give info.Aamer has done worse and he has not shown any remorse.he tried to slip away and when he knew all doors are closed came with this i was trapped excuse.And then only why he only,cut bans of Asif and Butt also.

If his ban is reduced that will be a pathetic example and each and everyone and every country will ask for similar concession if and when their players are in similar condition.Did SA or BCCI even talk aboout sparing their players accused of such things.Azhar Cronje etc were banned for life.Jadeja even though his ban was overturned by courts.He never played again for India.

He is a fixer and must serve his sentence.

[Javelin]

If ICC lets him go,tommorow someone else will do the same plead guilty and say i will go under rehabilitation programme and be back in cpl of years.

Samuels was banned for 2-3 years just for taking money from bookie to give info.Aamer has done worse and he has not shown any remorse.he tried to slip away and when he knew all doors are closed came with this i was trapped excuse.And then only why he only,cut bans of Asif and Butt also.

If his ban is reduced that will be a pathetic example and each and everyone and every country will ask for similar concession if and when their players are in similar condition.Did SA or BCCI even talk aboout sparing their players accused of such things.Azhar Cronje etc were banned for life.Jadeja even though his ban was overturned by courts.He never played again for India.

He is a fixer and must serve his sentence.Did you actually read, or more importantly, digest the sentence relating to Justice systems that take into account the manner in which a convicted individual goes about serving his sentence ?

You obviously know sweet nothing about how good justice works, one in which there is both a threat of increasing a sentence for bad behaviour as well as an incentive of reducing a sentence if the guilty takes steps as I outlined earlier.

Good justice system works by having both a carrot and a stick, and not just a stick alone.

Under your scenario, Amir has no incentive whatsoever to undertake rehabilitation, no incentive to use his experiences to deter other youngsters from doing wrong, and no incentive to show remorse.

Under your scenario, he could simply say, sod all of the above, I'll sit out my 5 years, f.u. ICC, and then I'll start playing cricket again and, legally, there's not a damn thing you can do about it, since I will have served my 5 year ban.

But then again, I suspect you're not intelligent enough to understand all that.

[iHammad]

How many more years left until his ban ends?

[khurramjamil]

Good thing Mr. Ashraf ... this shows that the poor chap has still some chance of coming to international cricket earlier ... the earlier he comes the better for both the team and him... :) I am keeping my fingers crossed .. Inshallah you will be back Aamir!!!

[Afrid1]

Good thing Mr. Ashraf ... this shows that the poor chap has still some chance of coming to international cricket earlier ... the earlier he comes the better for both the team and him... :) I am keeping my fingers crossed .. Inshallah you will be back Aamir!!!
+1 :amir shall return

[cricketjoshila]

Did you actually read, or more importantly, digest the sentence relating to Justice systems that take into account the manner in which a convicted individual goes about serving his sentence ?

You obviously know sweet nothing about how good justice works, one in which there is both a threat of increasing a sentence for bad behaviour as well as an incentive of reducing a sentence if the guilty takes steps as I outlined earlier.

Good justice system works by having both a carrot and a stick, and not just a stick alone.

Under your scenario, Amir has no incentive whatsoever to undertake rehabilitation, no incentive to use his experiences to deter other youngsters from doing wrong, and no incentive to show remorse.

Under your scenario, he could simply say, sod all of the above, I'll sit out my 5 years, f.u. ICC, and then I'll start playing cricket again and, legally, there's not a damn thing you can do about it, since I will have served my 5 year ban.

But then again, I suspect you're not intelligent enough to understand all that.

Carrot and Stick?Sorry,Aamer had his chance at carrot and could have saved himself in Dubai,he didnt.

Didnt Aamer played a match despite being banned?Somewhere in England or Pakistan?

And why your policy apply only to Aamer not to Asif or Butt?Or why wasnt this applied to other cricketers?

If its such a great system please tell me how many sportpersons in the past have had their bans reduced?What is the good behaviour he can show?Not fix anymore matches,He cant play any so no question of fixing any.How do you know his remorse is genuine?That he is not again trying to be the sly man he is.

As i said international cricket and ICC are not governed by needs or feelings or views of one particular country,they need to make an example out of these players and they are doing so.Didnt the whole world see what match fixing was about in 2000?

Each country has its Anti corruption unit and ICC has its own,Aamer or no Aamer they will try to do their job.If only PCB had not bottled up things and try to sweep everything under carpet this wouldnot have happened.

Every sportsman who is banned sits out his ban period and comes back,there are numerous examples.Marlon Samuels being one at present.

Aamer was a cheat and was caught.He is lucky to have escaped with a 5 year ban(the minimum ICC could give).Now he needs to serve it before playing official cricket.Thats what LAW says.If he doesnt agree to that,let him move to CAS.

Regarding my intelligence,i dont a certification from you.You can run your own sweet certification programme and award them to does who ask you for them.
I wonder how suddenly when people dont agree with certain posters on their favourite topic,they become unintelligent.

[Canistani Hero]

Pakistan struggle to move on from the past, won't be surprised if Amir is back, sooner or later. If he comes with a clean slate and stays away from corruption, don't think anybody would mind him being back.

[zains_rulez]

I wish we can see him bowling again for pakistan v soon :13:

[spaceshot]

we have already banned asif and salman basically for life and that is an example . Why should we make an example out of a youngster . I say let let him do his years then come back and play .


Wo kya hai ki kuch logon ke gurdey kamzor hain.



He was already given the least possible punishment and they mentioned abt his age and everything.
What if he appeals and they get infuriated.. and end up extending his ban ..?? :13:

[Usman]

in the mean time Amir needs to work on his batting.seems like there is vacancy there

You hoping he re-qualifies for India are you? Last time I checked, India's legendary batsmen led them to two legendary whitewashes. And last time I checked, those same people who whitewashed India were made to look like school kids by Pakistan.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[LastLaugh_PK]

You hoping he re-qualifies for India are you? Last time I checked, India's legendary batsmen led them to two legendary whitewashes. And last time I checked, those same people who whitewashed India were made to look like school kids by Pakistan.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Dada he was was only joking you need to take it easy.. :P

Warna garmi mein kharaab hojaingaye.. :)))

[Saurav]

Dada he was was only joking you need to take it easy.. :P

Warna garmi mein kharaab hojaingaye.. :)))

I think he takes everything out of an Indian mouth seiously:D


It was a more a shot at Pak's batting problems.as far as India is concerned,they lost but still the batsmen made more than what Pak wen they toured Eng n Aus.


n no I dont Aamer in Indian team.I cant stand cheats unlike some people here.hate Azhar,Jadeja,Prabhakar for life

[Vegitto1]

No place in team for traitors

But their is in the government?

[s28]

Should appeal immediately. All right thinking people and neutrals are supportive of him.

[Ray]

Hope he does get his ban reduced .... am guessing he may apply after half the ban has been served so another 9 months or so nd he can think of applying. Hope it gets reduced to 3 or 4 years !!


Let me be clear i am glad they got caught nd punished, was very sad nd hurt, but glad it happenned cause dont want corruption nd there is no room for it in sports !

I have a feeling his ban will be shortenned, nd that will be fair enough in my opinion !!

[amlafan79]

honestly ..even i wanted him to come back before but after hearing his statements im not sure..
i know he was very talented and people would always want him back into team but i dont think any one can force u into fixing..

[Raza_Haider_Mohammad]

no reduction of ban period....he is a cheat......he should hang his head in shame

[MR__KHAN__JI]

I have tried to want Amir back....

But the answer is NO

Otherwise we will have another Wasim....

[Savak]

The more we start giving special treatment to talented, promising players like ban reductions, warnings, reprimands the more we set bad examples for future generations. A line must be drawn somewhere.

[Raza_Haider_Mohammad]

I have tried to want Amir back....

But the answer is NO

Otherwise we will have another Wasim....

Right comparison....both are greedy.....money is all what they want

[godzilla]

i think its idiotic that the stupid chairman should come out with statements like this - it undermines all of the rehabilitation effort if you essentially say we're only doing this so we can get him back again.

1. zaka should keep his mouth shut
2. let the process take its course, if the international cricket community decides to show leniency, fair enough and aamer is lucky. i dont care whether i never see him on the pitch again, i do care that whatever happens happens fully sanctioned by a representative body rather than a collection of buffoons (the pcb).

[leatherface58]

it would set a really bad example.if you are young no matter what you do your actions won't have consequences.

[khurramjamil]

No matter what ppl say for Aamir .. I really dont care cuz the fact of the matter is that he IS going to make a come back sooner or later so all you guys who are against him can keep your mouths shut!!! as for Asif and Salman .. they can never come near the international cricket so that can be a good example for rest of the players!

[Javelin]

I have tried to want Amir back....

But the answer is NO

Otherwise we will have another Wasim....Does'nt matter whether or not you want him back or not.

When his ban is served (whether the full 5 years, or a reduced period), legally, there is absolutely nothing that the ICC can do about stopping him from coming back.

Even the PCB will have no choice, both legally and, if he starts performing on the domestic circuit, professionally/politically.

Amir, after serving his ban, could even use the legal system to force the ICC/PCB to allow him to resume his career in case they try and stop him.

The same, of course, applies to both Asif and Butt, after they too have served their bans.( although the reality in their cases is that they may not be able to find a First Class cricket club that would risk taking them on as players.)

This is not a personal opinion, but rather a fact.

[cricketjoshila]

Even after Amir's ban is over,it will depend whether or not aa team domestic,international select him or not.So its a looooooooooooong way for him.

[Javelin]

Even after Amir's ban is over,it will depend whether or not aa team domestic,international select him or not.So its a looooooooooooong way for him.A domestic team not select him? With his talent and the pulling power he will bring to the team owners/sponsors? Are you nuts ? Money (and politics) will dictate.

As for international selection, if he performs well on the domestic circuit, what selector or PCB chairman is going to resist public pressure and have the guts to not allow him to be selected ?

As for the ICC, once his ban is served, there's nothing they can do about it, and if they try, Amir will have a very good case of suing them.

Try and think things through before posting utter garbage.

[jeetu]

This will only encourage players to cheat knowing that PCB gonna back them up.