What's the Difference Between Sarabjhit Singh & Ajmal Kasab ? PLS Explain ?

[Mian Hassan]

Can any indian PPer... Pls explain me because either I am loosing it or the indian public/media have lost their heads...



Sarabhjit kills 14 Pakistani's in a terrorist attack/bombing....


Ajmal Kasab & CO kill about 160 Indians in a terrorist attack so for his part he kill 16 indians if you devide it by 10 which is the number of terrorists who helped him.....

Whats the difference???? Ajmal killed 16 for his part ok 2 more then sarabhjit.

Whole of india... All media... all anchors... actor Salman Khan and company.... want this guy returned because his familiy is getting airtime on TV and cry for 10 min...

Is Sarabhjit the only one with familiy ??? what if after 20 years Ajmal Kasab's Family want him released what will happen then ?? everyone in India will laugh this off and rightly so.. I think he deserves the death Penalty BUT so does Mr Sarabhjit Singh.


Sarabhjit should get the same punishment which all terrorist should get which is death by hanging or life inprisonment.

Pls whoever is going to reply on this thead don't come with the excuse that he did not do this bombing in Lahore because he has already admitted that he has and we can tell from Surjeet Singh's experience that once they cross the border all the truth comes out.

[AlizeeFan]

Kasab is like some VIP in India. Someone mentioned in other thread that many farmers committed suicide in India and country is spending crores to keep the guy alive. First he was sent by Pakistan to do this and next Indian authorities welcomed him by spending huge amount of taxpayers money on him.

Not sure if this is one of the difference you're looking for.

[Mian Hassan]

First their is no Proof we sent him... ok if a Group sent him ok but that has nothing to do with the state of Pakistan..... Their might be doubt whether its Pakistan or Terrorist Group... But 1 thing there is no DOUBT about is that Mr Singh was a RAW agent and sent by India he has admitted this and the way india is trying to get him back you can tell he is special to them.

We are also not keeping Mr Singh for free I am sure he also eats twice daily.

We have from day one said that you can kill him so its your fault that you are spending crores on him and 14.000 indians commited suicide...

pls don't blame us for every single thing.. also look in your own backyard

[akheR]

Kasab is like some VIP in India. Someone mentioned in other thread that many farmers committed suicide in India and country is spending crores to keep the guy alive. First he was sent by Pakistan to do this and next Indian authorities welcomed him by spending huge amount of taxpayers money on him.

Not sure if this is one of the difference you're looking for.

LOL and have you heard that released Sikh sardar (who admitted working for RAW minutes after his release) and how flattering he was of the "gosht and murgi" he was eating five times a week ?

They're all "VIP", whether sent by India or Pakistan for cross-border charity, don't make us look like the byrianis given by either are supernatural.

[shahrukh619]

Vips? You guys clearly don know how terrorists are treated in jails. Especially in Desi jails..

Very good post by mian hassan. Good point there!

[Runner Up]

Why Kasab is still alive? why not hang him? He is already convicted long time ago and why not fast track his appeal trial (if any) and hang him for good and save money for poor people.

[Gabbar Singh]

Didn't follow the Sarabjhit Singh trial fully but if he's been convicted after a fair trial then there is no difference between him and Kasab, none at all. However, it appears the main witness in his trial has since withdrawn his statements.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/sarabjit-case-key-witness-retracts-statement/64062-2.html

So at the very least Mr Singh deserves a retrial.

[Gabbar Singh]

Why Kasab is still alive? why not hang him? He is already convicted long time ago and why not fast track his appeal trial (if any) and hang him for good and save money for poor people.

India still hasnt executed Afzal Guru, forget about Kasab. Many convicts spend decades on death row due to the Indian legal system and it's bureaucracy.

[Mian Hassan]

@ Gabbar Singh if this is the case then he deserves a fair trial and after the recent uitcomings from the Pakistani Courts I would fully support them and trust the outcome.

[velu]

Probably sarabjit planned the activity but may not be executed directly by himself, but kasab was in the field.
IIRC kasab himself admitted that he did this for 1.5L rupees .

10 guys killing 200 people gets more attention than any guy who kills 15 and post mumbai incident happened post twin tower.
Also when compared to pakistan , victims of terrorism related activities are quite less in india , so we take these things more seriosuly than pakistanis, for them thses things might be quite regular.

[soton]

Didn't follow the Sarabjhit Singh trial fully but if he's been convicted after a fair trial then there is no difference between him and Kasab, none at all. However, it appears the main witness in his trial has since withdrawn his statements.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/sarabjit-case-key-witness-retracts-statement/64062-2.html

So at the very least Mr Singh deserves a retrial.



India still hasnt executed Afzal Guru, forget about Kasab. Many convicts spend decades on death row due to the Indian legal system and it's bureaucracy.


Mr Singh deserves a fair trial but you want Afzal Guru to be hanged without a fair trial .Is that to do with Sarabjhit's surname or nationality?????????

[shahrukh619]

Claiming to be terrorist?? :))) good one wlfv

[Decipher]

Can any indian PPer... Pls explain me because either I am loosing it or the indian public/media have lost their heads...



Sarabhjit kills 14 Pakistani's in a terrorist attack/bombing....


Ajmal Kasab & CO kill about 160 Indians in a terrorist attack so for his part he kill 16 indians if you devide it by 10 which is the number of terrorists who helped him.....

Whats the difference???? Ajmal killed 16 for his part ok 2 more then sarabhjit.

Whole of india... All media... all anchors... actor Salman Khan and company.... want this guy returned because his familiy is getting airtime on TV and cry for 10 min...

Is Sarabhjit the only one with familiy ??? what if after 20 years Ajmal Kasab's Family want him released what will happen then ?? everyone in India will laugh this off and rightly so.. I think he deserves the death Penalty BUT so does Mr Sarabhjit Singh.


Sarabhjit should get the same punishment which all terrorist should get which is death by hanging or life inprisonment.

Pls whoever is going to reply on this thead don't come with the excuse that he did not do this bombing in Lahore because he has already admitted that he has and we can tell from Surjeet Singh's experience that once they cross the border all the truth comes out.


The difference is simple ...

Kasab's saga was internationally telecasted live by CNN and many major media outlets for at least 18 hours LIVE with screaming headlines embedded with these three buzz words "Pakistan, Islamic, Terrorists" while hardly any other media (including the Indian media) ever talked about what Sarabhjit Singh did in Pakistan.

[90MPH]

Indian media is nothing but patriotic 1 sided garbage. A lot of Indians are nationalistic, racist, and arogant. There is no introspection or soul searching but just the blame game and finger pointing.
Pakistanis are by no means perfect but I can't stand the Indian arogance.

[justarslan]

At least Pakistanis don't murder 10 million kids in 2 decades. Thier crime was that they were born girls.

50 Million in three generations.

[ahsan17]

The difference is simple ...

Kasab's saga was internationally telecasted live by CNN and many major media outlets for at least 18 hours LIVE with screaming headlines embedded with these three buzz words "Pakistan, Islamic, Terrorists" while hardly any other media (including the Indian media) ever talked about what Sarabhjit Singh did in Pakistan.

That's, at best, a symbolic difference. Media wasn't that big at the time anyway. It doesn't translate to any practical difference.

[Yuri]

Sarabjit was accused of terror act, Kasab was filmed taking innocent lives.. Sarabjit ab Pak judiciary ki problem hai, Kasab India ki, I think both of them will get what they deserve.

[freelance_cricketer]

These two are just the small actors of a bigger game controlled by influential people in both countries. I think its of no use debating the intention and role of such small players. If you believe Ajmal Kasab is innocent, you can also push for his release. No one is stopping you.

[Saurav]

Where did Sarabjit admit his crime?on that video?we dont know wat he went through before that.maybe it was forced. n is it proved the video was genuine?

I dont claim hes innocent,but like Gabbar Singh said,he deserves a retrial

[AmmarAshraf]

Donoon ko phansi do aur masla khatam kero :banned:

[moumotta]

The difference is simple ...

Kasab's saga was internationally telecasted live by CNN and many major media outlets for at least 18 hours LIVE with screaming headlines embedded with these three buzz words "Pakistan, Islamic, Terrorists" while hardly any other media (including the Indian media) ever talked about what Sarabhjit Singh did in Pakistan.

True, Kasab’s guilt is pretty much established. It played out like a ghastly reality show on TV screen around the word. With Sarabjeet it is not as black and white. He may or may not be guilty. Most of us who lean one way or the other do so based on our allegiances rather than any knowledge of the case. However, that is just the background, not the main difference.

The main difference is that Sarabjeet has a family that is very actively pleading his case. They are meeting politicians, human rights activists, press and celebrities building up a momentum. Kasab’s family, on the other hand is in hiding. They are silent or been silenced for what ever reason.

[ahsan17]

So what are you guys saying here exactly?

That western and Indian media/states is making certain claims makes those claims more true than the media of another country making other claims?

Iraq's WMDs are a classic example of such fallacious arguments.

Western media and governments have such a huge clout - they repeat something over and over again that it basically becomes 'the truth' - at least for people on those countries.


As I mentioned, at best, this is merely a symbolic difference in how western media and governments are able to influence the opinion to make people believe what they want them to believe, but is really no way any indicator of ground reality or facts.

They, like any other place in the world, are influenced by national interests or the interests of certain groups.

To suggest that western media or governments are some logical and impartial indicator of the truth is taking illogical claims to an extreme. I only see Indians making such claims. Even citizens of western states don't make such outrageous claims (at least not in any big numbers). Why should they be considered any more credible then the media or governments of any other country in the world?

The other important thing to notice is that the media wasn't that in late 1980s compared to today. So when you say no one in media said anything about Sarabjeet.. well you're comparing apples to oranges.

I also don't see how families/human rights activists/politicians etc campaigning is any practical difference. What Sarabjit did wasn't highlighted that much in the media. And whatever was highlighted was done mostly when the attack took place, i.e. 20 years ago, and people don't care that much anymore . So they can do all this campaigning without being shown as nutcases.

[Sachin85]

So what are you guys saying here exactly?

That western and Indian media/states is making certain claims makes those claims more true than the media of another country making other claims?

Iraq's WMDs are a classic example of such fallacious arguments.

Western media and governments have such a huge clout - they repeat something over and over again that it basically becomes 'the truth' - at least for people on those countries.


As I mentioned, at best, this is merely a symbolic difference in how western media and governments are able to influence the opinion to make people believe what they want them to believe, but is really no way any indicator of ground reality or facts.

They, like any other place in the world, are influenced by national interests or the interests of certain groups.

To suggest that western media or governments are some logical and impartial indicator of the truth is taking illogical claims to an extreme. I only see Indians making such claims. Even citizens of western states don't make such outrageous claims (at least not in any big numbers). Why should they be considered any more credible then the media or governments of any other country in the world?

The other important thing to notice is that the media wasn't that in late 1980s compared to today. So when you say no one in media said anything about Sarabjeet.. well you're comparing apples to oranges.

I also don't see how families/human rights activists/politicians etc campaigning is any practical difference. What Sarabjit did wasn't highlighted that much in the media. And whatever was highlighted was done mostly when the attack took place, i.e. 20 years ago, and people don't care that much anymore . So they can do all this campaigning without being shown as nutcases.

The main witness in Sarabjeet's case has withdrawn his statement. That makes the evidence against him very weak.

Either way, he was caught in Pakistan. He should get a fair trial in Pakistan, then the Pakistani Judiciary can punish him.

There is a humanitarian plea from his family in India, claiming he is innocent. They are requesting Pakistan to release him. That is all. It is upto Pakistan to decide. There is no obligation here. Pakistan decides.

Nobody is requesting squat for Kasab. The evidence of his guilt is pretty damn solid.

[ahsan17]

^ The witness' statement has no value as it wasn't recorded in a court.

Te humanitarian plea from his family is pointless. Of course they think he's innocent - they have the whole Indian media and crooked Pakistani NGOs on their side. As I mentioned, the fact that this incident happened such a long time back makes it easier for Sarabjit's family to make such pleas.

Effectively, their plea means nothing in terms of whether he's innocent or not.

[Sachin85]

^ The witness' statement has no value as it wasn't recorded in a court.

Te humanitarian plea from his family is pointless. Of course they think he's innocent - they have the whole Indian media and crooked Pakistani NGOs on their side. As I mentioned, the fact that this incident happened such a long time back makes it easier for Sarabjit's family to make such pleas.

Effectively, their plea means nothing in terms of whether he's innocent or not.

Fair enough. The decision is still with the Pakistani Judiciary. They have to take a call. I don't know what the big fuss is about. If they don't want to release him they won't.

[Sjaloha]

Kasab is like some VIP in India. Someone mentioned in other thread that many farmers committed suicide in India and country is spending crores to keep the guy alive. First he was sent by Pakistan to do this and next Indian authorities welcomed him by spending huge amount of taxpayers money on him.

Not sure if this is one of the difference you're looking for.

As all the evidence suggested that he is involved in the Mumbai attack, Kasab should be punished or hanged per the Indian law. I don't undersand what is the point of taking such a long time to keep this guy in jail. I am sure Indian investigators have taken pretty much all the information for him. If there is something which has not uttered yet, there is a good chance he wont. Just hang this guy and move on.

[Sjaloha]

First their is no Proof we sent him... ok if a Group sent him ok but that has nothing to do with the state of Pakistan..... Their might be doubt whether its Pakistan or Terrorist Group... But 1 thing there is no DOUBT about is that Mr Singh was a RAW agent and sent by India he has admitted this and the way india is trying to get him back you can tell he is special to them.

We are also not keeping Mr Singh for free I am sure he also eats twice daily.

We have from day one said that you can kill him so its your fault that you are spending crores on him and 14.000 indians commited suicide...

pls don't blame us for every single thing.. also look in your own backyard

You are not getting the point. India believes that they have enough evidence to suggest that the handlers of the Mumbai attackers were trained by Pakistani military. Pakistan is denying the charges stating Pakistan's ISI send these attackers to India. Pakistan is not making any statement about the charges if Pakistan's ISI or military have any contacts with groups like LeT.

[ahsan17]

^ Pakistan has said it over and over again that ISI or Pakistan military does not support LeT nor was it involved in Mumbai attacks. What Indians and Indian government are doing.. they're effectively making up conspiracy theories.

[Sjaloha]

^ Pakistan has said it over and over again that ISI or Pakistan military does not support LeT nor was it involved in Mumbai attacks. What Indians and Indian government are doing.. they're effectively making up conspiracy theories.

Have you ever lived in Pakistan? If yes, then did you spend anytime in Southern Punjab or Northern Punjab/Azad Kashmir area? You would know very well exactly what I am trying to refer to.

Ofcourse Pakistani Army has aided these groups in Kashmir. The same way Pakistani Army has created Talibans and assist them in controlling Afghanistan and securing Pakistan's western border.

[Black Zero]

Mr Singh deserves a fair trial but you want Afzal Guru to be hanged without a fair trial .Is that to do with Sarabjhit's surname or nationality?????????

very valid point.

[youboy]

Geo TV Lied To The Nation About "Ajmal Kasab"

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GEO definitely working on a agenda

[freelance_cricketer]

Donoon ko phansi do aur masla khatam kero :banned:

If there is God, then these guys will suffer what they deserve. Killing them here would not erase our problems and would rather be a quick escape for such people. Keep them behind bars and make'em do work.

The way things are, 'fansi' would just add to their list of 'shaheeds'.