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shan
13th May 2013, 02:57
So in a seat where Imran Khan was leading most of the times only got 49 votes? But ECP bhudda said congrats on free and fair election.

Friend786
13th May 2013, 02:58
hassan nisar predicts next election will be held in 1.5-2 years time.

Anfield
13th May 2013, 03:00
Even smaller things needed to be done first

1. Only one person allowed inside a polling booth at one time.
2. No candidate or supporter allowed within 200 mtr of polling booth. If found inside apart from voting self vote, the polling of that booth goes for re-poll. violator arrested.

3. All polling booth fixed with cameras and monitored by EC. Any suspicious activity will result in re-poll of the booth.
4. Make more booth with each booth not more than 1000 - 2000 votes.
5. EC distribute the details of the booth where he has to vote 2-3 days before voting date.

out of curiosity.. any or all of this happens in India? How fairly elections are contested in India?

Pak_Jazba
13th May 2013, 03:01
If anyone can get yesterdays ARY transmission where they had declared the result of NA 122 after counting one polling station out of 200 odd.

I remember IK being some 500+ votes & KSR being some 300 votes. We could present that picture as an evidence against ECP to outside media if our own media doesnt accept it.

Pak_Jazba
13th May 2013, 03:02
Baaap of all rumours

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>2 rakaal shukranay k sab ada karo RT @<a href="https://twitter.com/draq_khan">draq_khan</a>: Rumours circulating Altaf Husain has just died in London via heart attack!<a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23MQM">#MQM</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PTI">#PTI</a></p>&mdash; Waqas Amjad (@Waqas3) <a href="https://twitter.com/Waqas3/status/333695922708021250">May 12, 2013</a></blockquote>
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shan
13th May 2013, 03:03
Sher-e-Punjab ki bhark sun kar mar gheya ghadar

Professor
13th May 2013, 03:06
@ShanHow come you suddenly transformed into a PML N supporter? :))

asifp
13th May 2013, 03:08
So in a seat where Imran Khan was leading most of the times only got 49 votes? But ECP bhudda said congrats on free and fair election.

Its a mistake on their site. Some independent candinate has 84,000 votes against his name, so just a data entry error

Garuda
13th May 2013, 03:09
out of curiosity.. any or all of this happens in India? How fairly elections are contested in India?
I am not sure about camera being in all booths. But now a days they put in as many they can. Whereever I have voted in last 10 years, I have seen CCTV installed.

My uncle has been a PO for every election since last 25 years and other rules are followed (Almost). The more doubtful booths (for violence/fraud) are covered more cameras and CRPFs.

Also, the police force also get shuffled. i.e Punjab police officers may move to Karnataka during election and vice versa. To make sure they are not biased.

With every election something new gets introduced.

I don't think its all fair in Indian elections but its much better compared to 90s.

asifp
13th May 2013, 03:10
PTI had 300,000 tabdeeli razakars. they should have sat outside polling stations and counted the number of people going in to vote and if possible video (though vdo is very tough).

That way we could cross check station by station to see how numbers were different

shan
13th May 2013, 03:10
Its a mistake on their site. Some independent candinate has 84,000 votes against his name, so just a data entry error

Ok that make sense, so the rigging was small enough to not appear obvious.

asifp
13th May 2013, 03:11
One more thing, why does ECP not release results by polling station.

That way if most stations were going 50/50 and suddently one station is 90/10 you know something is going on.

Anfield
13th May 2013, 03:14
One more thing, why does ECP not release results by polling station.

That way if most stations were going 50/50 and suddently one station is 90/10 you know something is going on.

This was happening in the beginning but after Nawaz's speech suddenly all results were halted and final results came out where most of PTI and PPP candidates lost in Punjab.

oyei
13th May 2013, 03:18
I am not sure about camera being in all booths. But now a days they put in as many they can. Whereever I have voted in last 10 years, I have seen CCTV installed.

My uncle has been a PO for every election since last 25 years and other rules are followed (Almost). The more doubtful booths (for violence/fraud) are covered more cameras and CRPFs.

Also, the police force also get shuffled. i.e Punjab police officers may move to Karnataka during election and vice versa. To make sure they are not biased.

With every election something new gets introduced.

I don't think its all fair in Indian elections but its much better compared to 90s.

Probably one of the best mechanism in sub continent to make sure no righing take place, true, it will not stop rigging 100%.

insaftak
13th May 2013, 03:25
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asifp
13th May 2013, 03:26
This was happening in the beginning but after Nawaz's speech suddenly all results were halted and final results came out where most of PTI and PPP candidates lost in Punjab.

and thats what I mean a polling station by polling station vote count would be interesting to see especially the ones that released their results late at night.

It will be obvious to see where the cheating has happened

cynical
13th May 2013, 03:27
Election day account from women voters in DHA lhr. very sad.

http://vimeo.com/65960464

waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 03:27
I'm off to Lahore tomorrow. Have to pass through Lalik Chowk on the way to uni :)

Awesome!

Please send us reports. Looking forward to it:)

insaftak
13th May 2013, 03:29
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insaftak
13th May 2013, 03:36
Saad Rafique to mujhe farigh hota laag raha hai... There is no way we should accept result of this seat.

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waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 03:40
^ Insaf

Saad Rafique faarigh ho ga, jab ye govt nahi rahay ge. I know you guys dont believe me, but I can bet anything that PTI would have won Takht Lahore.

Black Zero
13th May 2013, 03:51
So many IND won in Punjab, thats strange..
PML-N should have rigged those seats..

or maybe, punjabi voters are just pathetic (i am punjabi)

Black Zero
13th May 2013, 03:52
I am sad as I predicted 3 seats for PTI from LHR...
and gave them total of 50...overall..

Anfield
13th May 2013, 03:52
what is the final seat count of National Assembly and Provincial assemblies?

Anfield
13th May 2013, 03:53
So many IND won in Punjab, thats strange..
PML-N should have rigged those seats..

or maybe, punjabi voters are just pathetic (i am punjabi)

mixture of both. Many seats were rigged and smaller cities people voted for PML-N. 1997 all over again.

Anfield
13th May 2013, 03:54
I am sad as I predicted 3 seats for PTI from LHR...
and gave them total of 50...overall..

They were winning 4 seats until results were halted...

zimmz
13th May 2013, 03:54
I wonder where is that guy Aleem khan president lahore PTI. He was hyped by opponents as goon, ghunda etc. If he really was like that then how come he didn't fight the rigging attempts in lahore?

waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 03:56
I wonder where is that guy Aleem khan president lahore PTI. He was hyped by opponents as goon, ghunda etc. If he really was like that then how come he didn't fight the rigging attempts in lahore?

I was thinking the same thing! This one time when we need a ghunda, and he is nowhere to be found

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 04:52
^^^

PTI...what has happened to you guys....longing for gundas, goons and thugs. What happened to Naya Pakistan :facepalm:

What's the update on the protests btw....

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 04:55
If that was what it was going to come down to than you guys should have joined the TUQ parade....lost opportunity.

insaftak
13th May 2013, 05:02
Jungle out there!

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justarslan
13th May 2013, 05:02
^^^

PTI...what has happened to you guys....longing for gundas, goons and thugs. What happened to Naya Pakistan :facepalm:

What's the update on the protests btw....

Police kicked out everyone in Karach from what i read on facebook.

waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 05:04
^ Come on Saadi, I'm sure I dont need to explain to you why it was wrong to unite with TuQ.

insaftak
13th May 2013, 05:08
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waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 05:20
Sad to see all these videos! Loook at the anger and disappointment on the faces of these people.

But no, let's accept these results, and be graceful losers

akheR
13th May 2013, 05:24
"agar ye elections free or fair nah howey, tu bohat khoon ho ga" - Imran Khan

Did he really say that ?

akheR
13th May 2013, 05:27
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="fr"><p>@<a href="https://twitter.com/shahidmasooddr">shahidmasooddr</a> and Haroon ul Rasheed join us in Lahore Dharna Defence <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23LalikChowk">#LalikChowk</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PTI">#PTI</a> tigers Zindabad <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23FajrTime">#FajrTime</a>- PTI leadershp where r u?</p>&mdash; Hassan Niazi (@HniaziISF) <a href="https://twitter.com/HniaziISF/status/333724169160241152">12 mai 2013</a></blockquote>
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zimmz
13th May 2013, 05:36
Did he really say that ?

Yes he said that but for rigging on large scale. Anyway the 'bloody' part is already happening in Karachi and yesterday in Pindi so Khan was right on the money. I think if there is an evident of rigging from all over Pakistan then soon these protests will grow. if it is only Lahore and Karachi then i dont think PTI will call for bloody protests all over pakistan.

akheR
13th May 2013, 05:53
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="fr"><p>Dharna Lahore defence <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23LalikChowk">#LalikChowk</a> 5am - Junoon about to hit peak- @<a href="https://twitter.com/ptiofficial">ptiofficial</a> leadership WAKE UP.. Subha ho gayi hai <a href="http://t.co/36QKOxzu6V" title="http://twitter.com/HniaziISF/status/333735460016881664/photo/1">twitter.com/HniaziISF/stat…</a></p>&mdash; Hassan Niazi (@HniaziISF) <a href="https://twitter.com/HniaziISF/status/333735460016881664">13 mai 2013</a></blockquote>
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asifp
13th May 2013, 05:55
Love the jazba but as I said yesetday PTI is one man party.

SMQ and Hashmi dont' care about the youth or naya Pakistan.

IK's biggest mistake was not to empower his grass root people. Guys like Arif Alvi who have been with him, those are the true PTI leaders and need to be given senior position.

waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 05:59
^ Imran did not give these party positions. Everyone was elected.

Waseem
13th May 2013, 06:03
WOW some of the videos and stories i have been reading are crazy.

I wanted to move on and forget about minor incidents as it's part of package but this is just insane.

Apparently Ch Nisar ordered the votes to be counted 7-8 times until he got the desired results?

Imran Khan in NA 122 was also leading and then suddenly updates stopped coming, Ayaz Sadiq declared winner in the morning.

Saad Rafiq who i had great respect for turned out to be biggest cheat of them all.......

Less said about Altaf the traitor the better..

ECB
13th May 2013, 06:20
So with Nawaz bhai, naya pakistan or gaya pakistan. Imran Sher Khan should have won :(

Waseem
13th May 2013, 06:21
I don't know if this is authentic, can't find actual article

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942142_493534204046365_938971869_n.jpg

the Great Khan
13th May 2013, 06:28
well there some very strange results e.g. the mysterious zero votes for opponents of the MQm, tareen winning voernight then losing in the morning..

but I just have to say to fellow PTI supporters. Wake up and smell the coffee. You have been naive. this is how business gets done in pakistani elections!

the PMLN are some of the biggest ghundas in punjab. Do you really think they would have let the PTI get a sniff?

the best thing to do now is protest for a short period, see if anything can be done in the courts but overall concentrate on KP and then use it in punjab. Re-election campaign starts today!

the Great Khan
13th May 2013, 06:30
So with Nawaz bhai, naya pakistan or gaya pakistan. Imran Sher Khan should have won :(

same old pakistan..with some new buses.

Zarrar
13th May 2013, 06:41
well there some very strange results e.g. the mysterious zero votes for opponents of the MQm, tareen winning voernight then losing in the morning..

but I just have to say to fellow PTI supporters. Wake up and smell the coffee. You have been naive. this is how business gets done in pakistani elections!

the PMLN are some of the biggest ghundas in punjab. Do you really think they would have let the PTI get a sniff?

the best thing to do now is protest for a short period, see if anything can be done in the courts but overall concentrate on KP and then use it in punjab. Re-election campaign starts today!

No unless you can match the terrorism of the likes of MQM and PMLN to an extent there is no use...

MQM has yet again proven why they are the biggest terrorist org in South Asia if not the world...and people are acting surprised thinking this is the first time MQM has acted like terrorists...our esteemed neutral, progressive and idealistic Pakistanis go out of their way to hype Taliban threat and give a free pass to MQM, these include many PTI supporters as well, they all need to wake up and unequivocally condemn MQM and call for its ban just like all other "kaladam tenzeemaiN'...

PTI and their aligned parties need to dabble with some ghunda gardi otherwise they will always be pushed aside by the likes of MQM who are akin to Kufar-e-Makkah...PTI needs to raise a lashkar of 10,000 and rise again from Medina to take Makkah over...again this is allegorically speaking..

oyei
13th May 2013, 06:41
Musharaf should have made sure NS never returned to Pakistan, probably the biggest mistake to let this blood sucker back in Pakistan.

waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 06:43
the best thing to do now is protest for a short period, see if anything can be done in the courts but overall concentrate on KP and then use it in punjab. Re-election campaign starts today!

So you think PMLN wont rig the elections again? No matter how bad their performance is, they will rig the elections again. PTI has no chance, unless PTI leadership leads massive protests.

Pak-Legend
13th May 2013, 06:45
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The election results have established the truth of every word we said on 23 Dec&amp; during the Long March.<a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23TuQwasRight">#TuQwasRight</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Rigging">#Rigging</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PakVotes">#PakVotes</a></p>&mdash; Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri (@TahirulQadri) <a href="https://twitter.com/TahirulQadri/status/333486446667255808">May 12, 2013</a></blockquote>
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#PuranaPakistan

Zarrar
13th May 2013, 06:45
Musharaf should have made sure NS never returned to Pakistan, probably the biggest mistake to let this blood sucker back in Pakistan.

Ab itna bhi nahi...

Nobody can top PPP/MQM dream team's blood sucking over last 5 years...and these was Mush's second an third biggest mistakes, i.e. letting Zardari back in and resurrecting MQM, of course selling Pakistan to America's war of terror being the biggest...

Zarrar
13th May 2013, 06:46
So you think PMLN wont rig the elections again? No matter how bad their performance is, they will rig the elections again. PTI has no chance, unless PTI leadership leads massive protests.

Yes this is it, it's now or never...especially in Karachi, if MQM is not challenged now, it will be a curse on Karachi till qayamat...

Black Zero
13th May 2013, 07:09
I don't know if this is authentic, can't find actual article

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942142_493534204046365_938971869_n.jpg

:fake


he writes for Express and nothing there..

insaftak
13th May 2013, 07:13
PTI has swept Rawalpindi and even won NA52 and even right now Chori Nisar is busy changing results there :facepalm:

Anfield
13th May 2013, 07:15
Insaftak tum kahan say newz lekar atay ho/ tumnay waleed Iqbalaur Hammad Azam ko bhee jitwa dya tha harnay kay baad lahore say and they both lost as per announced. lol

insaftak
13th May 2013, 07:17
Insaftak tum kahan say newz lekar atay ho/ tumnay waleed Iqbalaur Hammad Azam ko bhee jitwa dya tha harnay kay baad lahore say and they both lost as per announced. lol

I quoted dawn news and Aaj News for Waleed Iqbal. Didn't say anything about Hammad Azhar

PakPrince
13th May 2013, 07:26
So turns out..

The 40 polling stations in NA 250 where there will be re-elections are mostly the ones where the MQM lost!!

GOD I am so angry!!!! Shahra-e-faisal tonight!!send all your karachi friends to the protest!

waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 07:27
PTI has swept Rawalpindi and even won NA52 and even right now Chori Nisar is busy changing results there :facepalm:

Yaar, PTI would have swept punjab, You know I was on the sweep bandwagon, and now you can see that if PTI can win pindi, they could have swept other areas of punjab easily.

I'm telling you, Imran did one hell of a campaign. People were voting for balla, not for candidate. Imran achieved every objective that he had set out to achieve. But lost in the end coz of rigging.

Protest, street power, or else PTI will never come to power

PakPrince
13th May 2013, 07:28
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The election results have established the truth of every word we said on 23 Dec&amp; during the Long March.<a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23TuQwasRight">#TuQwasRight</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Rigging">#Rigging</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PakVotes">#PakVotes</a></p>&mdash; Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri (@TahirulQadri) <a href="https://twitter.com/TahirulQadri/status/333486446667255808">May 12, 2013</a></blockquote>
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#PuranaPakistan

Abay tu ne government se deal kyun ki thi phir mullah!

PakPrince
13th May 2013, 07:29
Yaar, PTI would have swept punjab, You know I was on the sweep bandwagon, and now you can see that if PTI can win pindi, they could have swept other areas of punjab easily.

I'm telling you, Imran did one hell of a campaign. People were voting for balla, not for candidate. Imran achieved every objective that he had set out to achieve. But lost in the end coz of rigging.

Protest, street power, or else PTI will never come to power

You are right. Waiting for 5 years and then going into elections again will result into the same thing and PPP will come back then.. They have turns

Revolutions dont usually come through the ballot. They come through overthrow of governments

wasim-fan
13th May 2013, 07:29
So it's inqalab all over again.

waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 07:32
You are right. Waiting for 5 years and then going into elections again will result into the same thing and PPP will come back then.. They have turns

Revolutions dont usually come through the ballot. They come through overthrow of governments

absolutely. And now I am quite sure that besides sweeping punjab, PTI would have dented MQM in karachi as well.

Status quo will never let us win. Those telling us to accept the results, build KP as a model province and wait for another elections are fools, with same lazy instincts that are hallmark of pakistanis

sarmadsl
13th May 2013, 07:57
Pmkn rigged in about 30 to 40 seats in large cities of Punjab and where thhe margin was a bit small.............we could not believe that how PTI lost because logically i give one example
In My constituency NA 107 PMLN are bound to win and every body knew about that.....in 2008 PMLN candidate got 76K and won by 5K lead and then again in Dec 2012 by elections PMLN candidate again won and got 104K and lead by 30K..........now just after 4 months of bye election one one could think of PMLN losing....PTI had a week candidate...he also contested in 2008 as MPA as independent and got 11K votes and hios personal vote is around 15-16K..every one predicted that he will get around 30K votes because of PTI factor but in the end he got 60K votes and secured 2nd position..while PMLN took 92K votes....this 45K vote was of PTI ideological vote...so in this area of Bradris..PTI has got such amount of large vote bank..how van PTI lost in big cities....
very alarming question..................AND even PMLN have not that much of vote bank..they won because of strong candidates....i knew in my area that 60-70 youth voted for PTI...

PakPrince
13th May 2013, 07:57
absolutely. And now I am quite sure that besides sweeping punjab, PTI would have dented MQM in karachi as well.



very true

honestly the support for IK in NA 250 and 253 was unbelievable.

my friends from high school all went. my parents and siblings went and my dad who is a life long mqm supporter voted for PTI. my cousins from defence who are top of the echelons of the so-called 'burger class' went at 8 in the morning.. my best friend took his 88 year old grandmother. all voted PTI

if this wasnt tabdeeli ka nishaan then i dont know what is

Buffet
13th May 2013, 08:05
It could do.
Under a 1st pass the post system, even if only two parties were contesting all the seats, one party can win the vast majority of directly elected seats even though it gets less than 30% to 40% of the vote.

As an example, out of the 274 directly elected seats, say party A won 160 seats, each by a margin of 1,000, but Party B won the remaining 114 seats each by a margin of 40,000, then at a national level Party A will have 46 more seats but 4,400,000 less votes than party B, and thus a comfortable ruling majority of seats but far less votes.

If we now include the 70 women and minorities allocated seats, the situation changes again, as Party B will get the majority of the 70 allocated seats, thereby possibly giving them an overall majority.

In a multi-party system, with 3 or more big parties, the situation is even more complicted. In the UK under the 1st pass the post system, in the last 30 years both the Conservative and Labour govts. have had very large majorities but less than 40% of the votes and Liberals have sometimes had more than 25% of the vote but only 3% or 4% of the seats.

May be some one can clarify here. Javelin is suggesting that reserved seats are allocated based on popular votes.

I see following explanation,

After the results for the general seats are finalized, reserved women’s seats are distributed to parties in proportion to the number of general seats secured in each of the provinces. Non-Muslim seats are allocated to political parties in proportion to the overall number of general seats secured.

http://www.ifes.org/Content/Publications/News-in-Brief/2012/Nov/~/media/Files/Publications/White%20PaperReport/2013/IFES-PK%20Factsheet%20-%20National%20Assembly%20d12%202013-03-25%20en.pdf

If reserved seats are allocated based on how many seats each party has won then it seems popular vote is a non-factor. Basically, reserved seats are non-factor as well for a party securing the majority because every party is going to get same proportion of reserved seats.

Am I missing something here? Javeline explanation seems to suggest that popular vote was a factor.

PakPrince
13th May 2013, 08:07
May be some one can clarify here. Javelin is suggesting that reserved seats are allocated based on popular votes.

I see following explanation,

After the results for the general seats are finalized, reserved women’s seats are distributed to parties in proportion to the number of general seats secured in each of the provinces. Non-Muslim seats are allocated to political parties in proportion to the overall number of general seats secured.

http://www.ifes.org/Content/Publications/News-in-Brief/2012/Nov/~/media/Files/Publications/White%20PaperReport/2013/IFES-PK%20Factsheet%20-%20National%20Assembly%20d12%202013-03-25%20en.pdf

If reserved seats are allocated based on how many seats each party has won then it seems popular vote is a non-factor. Basically, reserved seats are non-factor as well because every party is going to get same proportion of reserved seats.

Am I missing something here because Javeline explanation seems to suggest that popular vote was a factor.

its in proportion of national assembly seats..

That is if you have 30% seats in NA, you will get around 30% reserved seats.
They serve no purpose except put in few token women and/or people into the assembly who wouldnt have normally won

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 08:10
well there some very strange results e.g. the mysterious zero votes for opponents of the MQm, tareen winning voernight then losing in the morning..

but I just have to say to fellow PTI supporters. Wake up and smell the coffee. You have been naive. this is how business gets done in pakistani elections!

the PMLN are some of the biggest ghundas in punjab. Do you really think they would have let the PTI get a sniff?

the best thing to do now is protest for a short period, see if anything can be done in the courts but overall concentrate on KP and then use it in punjab. Re-election campaign starts today!

Totally agree.

Buffet
13th May 2013, 08:13
its in proportion of national assembly seats..

That is if you have 30% seats in NA, you will get around 30% reserved seats.
They serve no purpose except put in few token women and/or people into the assembly who wouldnt have normally won

So for all practical purposes, reserved seats are irrelevant when it comes to any specific party trying to gain majority to form a government. If a party gets majority in actually contested seats then same party is going to get majority after including reserved seats as well. That was my original understanding but Javeline suggested that reserved seats could be a factor in formation of government.

PakPrince
13th May 2013, 08:17
So for all practical purposes, reserved seats are irrelevant when it comes to any specific party trying to gain majority to form government. That was my original understanding but Javeline suggested that reserved seats could be a factor in formation of government.

yup... if it were distributed any other way it would be absolutely unconstituitional and undemocratic.

they give represntation to women and minorities who have lesser chances of getting elected normally

Buffet
13th May 2013, 08:26
yup... if it were distributed any other way it would be absolutely unconstituitional and undemocratic.

they give represntation to women and minorities who have lesser chances of getting elected normally

I think this will result in mostly figureheads getting appointed. May be less percentage but simply ensuring that every party has to have certain percentage of minorities/women as candidate will result in minorities/women getting elected by actually fighting elections and not only be figure head in parliament.

Looney
13th May 2013, 08:26
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/163570_261731633970732_669919055_n.jpg

Votes found in the trash can

Square Drive
13th May 2013, 08:30
its in proportion of national assembly seats..

That is if you have 30% seats in NA, you will get around 30% reserved seats.
They serve no purpose except put in few token women and/or people into the assembly who wouldnt have normally won

Off-topic, but mate, please check out the Lightning Hawks CC team thread. Thanks a ton. :)

Badsha
13th May 2013, 08:36
very true

honestly the support for IK in NA 250 and 253 was unbelievable.

my friends from high school all went. my parents and siblings went and my dad who is a life long mqm supporter voted for PTI. my cousins from defence who are top of the echelons of the so-called 'burger class' went at 8 in the morning.. my best friend took his 88 year old grandmother. all voted PTI

if this wasnt tabdeeli ka nishaan then i dont know what is

Yaar if PTI could've gotten at least 2 seats from Karachi I'd be so happy :(


For the first (or long ) time we'd be seeing a national party and not an ethnic one like mqm anp or ppp

Badsha
13th May 2013, 08:39
I'm hearing Hina Manzoor might (PTI) might win from Pindi?!

Looney
13th May 2013, 08:40
Yaar if PTI could've gotten at least 2 seats from Karachi I'd be so happy :(


For the first (or long ) time we'd be seeing a national party and not an ethnic one like mqm anp or ppp

ppp is the only national party . what is wrong with you .

UP
13th May 2013, 08:57
If elections weren't rigged - PTI would have swept all over Pakistan. If not all over Pakistan at least in the cities.

Badsha
13th May 2013, 09:03
As it stands, making the government in KpK will be tough. We'll need to join forces with some other party.

arsalan660
13th May 2013, 09:11
According to Gallup Pakistan:

Youth of High Society (rich families) voted for PTI other than than Youth of Middle class and lower class voted for PMLN.

arsalan660
13th May 2013, 09:13
If elections weren't rigged - PTI would have swept all over Pakistan. If not all over Pakistan at least in the cities.

Be realistic now atleast, If no rigging happened PTI would have won 50-60 as compared to 34. They were never in position of sweeping in elections.

UP
13th May 2013, 09:25
Be realistic now atleast, If no rigging happened PTI would have won 50-60 as compared to 34. They were never in position of sweeping in elections.
Please elaborate...

wasim-fan
13th May 2013, 09:44
Be realistic now atleast, If no rigging happened PTI would have won 50-60 as compared to 34. They were never in position of sweeping in elections.

This

wasim-fan
13th May 2013, 09:47
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShZwYrDZyDo

Nissar nails it..

Square Drive
13th May 2013, 09:58
As it stands, making the government in KpK will be tough. We'll need to join forces with some other party.

Yes, we should join forces with JI.

hamzie
13th May 2013, 10:02
cant we make up the numbers by getting some independent candidates

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 10:03
absolutely. And now I am quite sure that besides sweeping punjab, PTI would have dented MQM in karachi as well.

Status quo will never let us win. Those telling us to accept the results, build KP as a model province and wait for another elections are fools, with same lazy instincts that are hallmark of pakistanis

Same way status quo let PPP win after BB came back to Pakistan post Zia's death. Same way it let PPP win again after Nawaz's first term. Same way it let PTI win KP. Same way Shafqat Mehmood won from Lahore and IK won 3 out of 4 seats. PTI was never going to sweep, even insaftak the most enthusiastic supporter of PTI on this forum was sceptical about it. And lazy instincts are of those who instead of smelling the coffee want to live out their frustrations by inciting people in Pakistan to come out and protest while they sit comfortably in front of their laptops pretending to be the next coming of Che Guevara.

saeedhk
13th May 2013, 10:05
ECP is useless.

Friend786
13th May 2013, 10:20
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/163570_261731633970732_669919055_n.jpg

Votes found in the trash can

i feel so sad. :(

Friend786
13th May 2013, 10:22
ECP is useless.

this is an understatement.

insaftak
13th May 2013, 10:25
Same way status quo let PPP win after BB came back to Pakistan post Zia's death. Same way it let PPP win again after Nawaz's first term. Same way it let PTI win KP. Same way Shafqat Mehmood won from Lahore and IK won 3 out of 4 seats. PTI was never going to sweep, even insaftak the most enthusiastic supporter of PTI on this forum was sceptical about it. And lazy instincts are of those who instead of smelling the coffee want to live out their frustrations by inciting people in Pakistan to come out and protest while they sit comfortably in front of their laptops pretending to be the next coming of Che Guevara.

My estimate had seats from Attock, Vehari, Kasur, Faisalabad, Gujranawala, Sialkot, Jhang, Toba Tek Singh and few seats from karachi. They even took away JKT seat from lodhran.

Blatant rigging, they have stolen our mandate big time.

Runner Up
13th May 2013, 10:32
Can anyone tell what was the use of Thumb Impression?

hamzie
13th May 2013, 10:40
Can anyone tell what was the use of Thumb Impression?

To make people feel and believe they had a say in the elections

wasim-fan
13th May 2013, 10:46
My estimate had seats from Attock, Vehari, Kasur, Faisalabad, Gujranawala, Sialkot, Jhang, Toba Tek Singh and few seats from karachi. They even took away JKT seat from lodhran.

Blatant rigging, they have stolen our mandate big time.

So what is final tally a per your calculations for PTI

Artless Dodges
13th May 2013, 10:49
Without any kind of emotional bias, How many more seats should have PTI and where would they come from?

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 10:51
My estimate had seats from Attock, Vehari, Kasur, Faisalabad, Gujranawala, Sialkot, Jhang, Toba Tek Singh and few seats from karachi. They even took away JKT seat from lodhran.

Blatant rigging, they have stolen our mandate big time.

So 10-15 more seats......wouldn't have changed a thing.

insaftak
13th May 2013, 10:55
So what is final tally a per your calculations for PTI


Without any kind of emotional bias, How many more seats should have PTI and where would they come from?

I said with no tsunami we should be at 55-60 seats and right now we are at 26. all the cities I mentioned had strong candidates not your brand new faces.

PakPrince
13th May 2013, 10:58
British Pakistanis, Get off the internet and put yourself to some use.


MASS APPEAL TO THE PAKISTANIS IN UK:
People in Pakistan, Karachi are fighting for their rights by facing directly threats, they have stood up against the terrorist MQM Mafia.

Altaf Hussain gave direct threats on TV channels that MQM will kill the peaceful protesters if they do not leave the protest. He also talked about separating Karachi from Pakistan.

Dear People in UK - now it is your responsibility to start a legal process against this criminal Altaf Hussain. Call your local police office and file a report against him for openly threatening Pakistani citizens. Write letters, emails and make phone calls to your local MPs in UK to register your protest and expose the criminal Altaf Hussain.

MQM has done massive rigging in Karachi elections by using their terror tactics but the people of Karachi have rejected MQM and Altaf Hussain. Their time is ending soon the people of Karachi will decide their future and not some terrorist living in UK.

insaftak
13th May 2013, 11:00
So 10-15 more seats......wouldn't have changed a thing.

The impact is huge. we could lose the leader of opposition position in center and in KPK we might even lose government.

It' is disgraceful that Insaf Students Federation is protesting on streets and top leadership of PTI is not saying anything on it.

hamzie
13th May 2013, 11:01
PTI MQM arguing on geo :/

PakPrince
13th May 2013, 11:02
The impact is huge. we could lose the leader of opposition position in center and in KPK we might even lose government.

It' is disgraceful that Insaf Students Federation is protesting on streets and top leadership of PTI is not saying anything on it.

there was not a single leader in Teen talkwar karachi last night

hopefully someone shows up in sharae faisal tonight to charge up the crowd

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 11:04
The impact is huge. we could lose the leader of opposition position in center and in KPK we might even lose government.

It' is disgraceful that Insaf Students Federation is protesting on streets and top leadership of PTI is not saying anything on it.

Leader of opposition ban ke waise bhi kiya gul khailana tha, PML-N got a clear majority, unlike last govt. dependent on coalitions. KP main JI se iteehad karo, your mandate should not be overtaken.

Runner Up
13th May 2013, 11:05
To make people feel and believe they had a say in the elections
NADRA has record, should scan and check all the thumbs.

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 11:06
there was not a single leader in Teen talkwar karachi last night

hopefully someone shows up in sharae faisal tonight to charge up the crowd

Like who, Arif Alvi.....he should go back to dentistry.

insaftak
13th May 2013, 11:06
Leader of opposition ban ke waise bhi kiya gul khailana tha, PML-N got a clear majority, unlike last govt. dependent on coalitions. KP main JI se iteehad karo, your mandate should not be overtaken.

O bahi leader of opposition automatically becomes chairman of the public account committee. you are not aware of how the system works. Who would you have for PAC, Imran Khan or a PPP's man :facepalm:

insaftak
13th May 2013, 11:09
there was not a single leader in Teen talkwar karachi last night

hopefully someone shows up in sharae faisal tonight to charge up the crowd

ISF is organizing protests all over the country. Soon top leadership will be forced to listen to supporters and go with an aggressive position. I am hearing about protests in Islamabad, Peshawar, Lahore, Gujranwala, Faisalabad, Multan and Muzafargarh.

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 11:09
O bahi leader of opposition automatically becomes chairman of the public account committee. you are not aware of how the system works. Who would you have for PAC, Imran Khan or a PPP's man :facepalm:

Itna hi shook hai tu jao ja ke sab minority parties se iteehad karo...ECP main jao...SC main jao....CJ ko bolo sumo moto le.

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 11:10
Azaad adliya kahan gae ?

insaftak
13th May 2013, 11:13
^^

LOL or go with street agitation. We are being robbed in NA 54 Rawalpindi too :facepalm:

ECB
13th May 2013, 11:14
humour time, my cousin nephew who was bombarded with election news, suddenly asked
what happened to tahreefe-e-insaaan team - it was so inncoent but considering what happened, he used nice words

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 11:15
IK said himself he believes the courts are independent now. He agreed on ECP, he agreed to care taker govt. With what face will he now say I don't believe in anything anymore and want street style revolution.

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 11:17
Was watching Bolta Pakistan...Mushtaq Minhas urf Uncle Sargam called IK Dilip Kumar many times for acting from his hospital bed....shame on him.

Badsha
13th May 2013, 11:18
Azaad adliya kahan gae ?

sumo moto :P



Anyway, right now I'm worried about out government in KPK.


With JI, independents and maybe even ANP and PPP, will we be able to work in KPK the way we want to?

Badsha
13th May 2013, 11:21
Now even I'm getting disappointed with PTI leadership.

insaftak
13th May 2013, 11:22
IK said himself he believes the courts are independent now. He agreed on ECP, he agreed to care taker govt. With what face will he now say I don't believe in anything anymore and want street style revolution.

If they think they will get away with it, sadly they are mistaken we have too many cards to play.

If ECP refuses to take notice of rigging all over pakistan. PTI should just move a bill in parliament for electoral reforms and call for a hunger strike in Islamabad.

2) sit in opposition in KPK and make life living hell for Punjab Muslim league.

3) file a petition in courts for implementation of Asghar Khan case.

4) refile Qadri's petition and throw this ECP out.

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 11:23
This is what happens when you build castles in the sand.....reality bites !

wasim-fan
13th May 2013, 11:24
If they think they will get away with it, sadly they are mistaken we have too many cards to play.

If ECP refuses to take notice of rigging all over pakistan. PTI should just move a bill in parliament for electoral reforms and call for a hunger strike in Islamabad.

2) sit in opposition in KPK and make life living hell for Punjab Muslim league.

3) file a petition in courts for implementation of Asghar Khan case.

4) refile Qadri's petition and throw this ECP out.

No offence, but none of those cards would keep me awake at night if I was PML N

raamu kaka
13th May 2013, 11:26
Back from gaon after polling my vote!! NA 58 was supposed to be our safest seat all over Pakistan with the best possible candidate (Popular among youth) n the best local "Dharra Bandi"..... Don't know how, but we lost that seat!!

U might call it whining, but losing our sure shot seats has convinced me that polls have been immensely rigged!! america needed its pawn to be in power before withdrawing its forces from afghansitan n they now have shrek!!


Same was the case with NA 57... we were winning that seat too, until shrek came on tv for his speech as wannabe PM Pakistan n PML N votes started pouring in... hard to accept :/

sumera malik won against umar aslam by 300 odd votes in 2008 when the latter fought as an independent!! Now in 2013 she has won this seat by a margin of around 75k votes... maybe she has turned khushab into los angeles, thus this lead....

Punjabis didn't do that bad, "Na Maloom Afraad" have made it look bad.

Last but not the least, Pindi was the biggest surprise for me.... hugely impressed by the results here... maybe nooras took us lightly here n rigged at a smaller level.

I hope khan sb doesn't leave 56, as it will give another lifeline to ephidrene abbasi... rather he should leave mianwali n peshawar seats as they both can be won easily, In shaa ALLAH

Zarrar
13th May 2013, 11:28
This is what happens when you build castles in the sand.....reality bites !

I thought you were supporting PTI...you sound more like a victorious candidate admonishing the poor ignorant fools who opposed your candidacy...in other words you sound like Altaf...biggest troll out there...

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 11:28
If they think they will get away with it, sadly they are mistaken we have too many cards to play.

If ECP refuses to take notice of rigging all over pakistan. PTI should just move a bill in parliament for electoral reforms and call for a hunger strike in Islamabad.

2) sit in opposition in KPK and make life living hell for Punjab Muslim league.

3) file a petition in courts for implementation of Asghar Khan case.

4) refile Qadri's petition and throw this ECP out.

Lol

1. Nothing will change though. N'S will still be PM and PTI will still be where they are.

2. Ruling in KP for NS is as much important as his daily dose of multivitamins. Who cares if you miss them, in the end we all die.

3. I think that ship has already left the dock....with a NS govt. in full power, expect zilch action on that from anyone.

4. Qadri, LOL. Now you guys remember him. ECP is out anyways. They have done their job.

PTI
13th May 2013, 11:28
ISF is organizing protests all over the country. Soon top leadership will be forced to listen to supporters and go with an aggressive position. I am hearing about protests in Islamabad, Peshawar, Lahore, Gujranwala, Faisalabad, Multan and Muzafargarh.

Insaftak i am really disappointed the way PTI leadership has responded to youth.If this was the change IK was talking about that even after loosing you are not listening to your youth than i am sorry.I made mistake in judging IK.
They took away PTI seats intentionally not to allow us to form govt in KPK and also taking away leading Oppsition role in NA.
We need to stand up now because its either now or never.

PTI
13th May 2013, 11:31
Lol

1. Nothing will change though.



This mentality has caused the most damaged to pakistan.Our duty is to raise the voice and do whatever we can.ALLAH ll do the rest inshaALLAH.

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 11:31
I thought you were supporting PTI...you sound more like a victorious candidate admonishing the poor ignorant fools you opposed your candidacy...in other words you sound like Altaf...biggest troll out there...

Zarrar Bhai, its hard for me to not find the humor in all this. Altaf probably feels the same way. These burger bachas have been so naive. I feel its my duty to hammer some sense into them, no pun intended.

Zarrar
13th May 2013, 11:34
Zarrar Bhai, its hard for me to not find the humor in all this. Altaf probably feels the same way. These burger bachas have been so naive. I feel its my duty to hammer some sense into them, no pun intended.

Hammer hilarious, even though Talwar say kalakam would have been more appropriate...

Badsha
13th May 2013, 11:38
If they think they will get away with it, sadly they are mistaken we have too many cards to play.

If ECP refuses to take notice of rigging all over pakistan. PTI should just move a bill in parliament for electoral reforms and call for a hunger strike in Islamabad.

2) sit in opposition in KPK and make life living hell for Punjab Muslim league.

3) file a petition in courts for implementation of Asghar Khan case.

4) refile Qadri's petition and throw this ECP out.

Why would we sit in Opposition in KP :facepalm:


The best thing now is to rule KPK and press for electoral reforms in Parliament.


I agree with Sadibaba but I also disagree with his opinion that we should forget about this.


Re elections in Karachi HAS to happen and Narowal, Lahore ect should be investigated

saadibaba
13th May 2013, 11:39
Hammer hilarious, even though Talwar say kalakam would have been more appropriate...

True.

Zarori nahin hai talwar se zeer karne ki
Mere dushmin ki haar k lie meri jeet hi bahot hai.

insaftak
13th May 2013, 11:41
Here is a guy doing some soul searching on what went wrong!

<iframe width="600" height="350" src="http://tune.pk/player/embed_player.php?vid=81199&folder=2013/05/12/&width=600&height=350&autoplay=no" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen scrolling="no"></iframe>

PTI
13th May 2013, 12:01
Just on a funny note
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/969959_667794559903010_1484597687_n.jpg

insaftak
13th May 2013, 12:04
<iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=464182883661108" width="398" height="224" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Showman
13th May 2013, 12:10
I'm interested to see what will happen to Musharraf, now that he is in custody and Nawaz Sharif is in power. I wonder if Saudi Arabia or the Army will step in to broker a deal for him.

Kianig89
13th May 2013, 12:12
^^

LOL or go with street agitation. We are being robbed in NA 54 Rawalpindi too :facepalm:

Absolutely yaar i'm from thi constituency and really shocked how the Nooras changed results and some people say they have bribed ECP persons in kachari......really disturbed as the majority have voted for PTI........the news is that Hina Manzoor will challenge it but i want PTi leadership to have a massive protest here at Peshawar Road...................:facepalm

Badsha
13th May 2013, 12:14
Hina Manzoor deserved her seat.


Where I voted, there was considerable support for PPP ANP and JI, yet PTI won.

Over here, especially in the Westridge area, EVERYONE was supporting PTI. How could they lose? Almost impossible.

Badsha
13th May 2013, 12:16
Wht a joke! Media, Help us!!! @affandawood @Kleptocracy1 @UmarCheema1 @MansoorGeoNews @HamidMirGEO Ch Nisar wins by 29 votes after 7th Count


PTI leaders quote.


Insane. Nisar has stolen another seat

Kianig89
13th May 2013, 12:22
Wht a joke! Media, Help us!!! @affandawood @Kleptocracy1 @UmarCheema1 @MansoorGeoNews @HamidMirGEO Ch Nisar wins by 29 votes after 7th Count


PTI leaders quote.


Insane. Nisar has stolen another seat


Exactly all this robbery is boiling the blood and everybody including :imran is just seeing the tamasha............its high time IK should come out of his bed or order some party leaders like Asad Umar to do something........is this a jungle

insaftak
13th May 2013, 12:24
<iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=169678363194409" width="222" height="398" frameborder="0"></iframe>

hamzie
13th May 2013, 12:49
corrupt ECP having a meeting about rigged elections
How rich

http://dawn.com/2013/05/13/ecp-summons-meeting-to-review-rigging-complaints/

Allah please give these people a heart... let them have the sense to make the right decision

Showman
13th May 2013, 13:04
Earlier on Sunday, the ECP had rejected the possibility that results of the elections could have been changed at any stage, saying it would take the responsibility for each and every ballot paper.

“There is no reason for any doubt or fear because of the delay in publication of official results because a foolproof procedure under the law is being followed,” ECP Secretary Ishtiak Ahmad Khan had said on Sunday at a press conference

What a joke.

ECB
13th May 2013, 13:04
I'm interested to see what will happen to Musharraf, now that he is in custody and Nawaz Sharif is in power. I wonder if Saudi Arabia or the Army will step in to broker a deal for him.

Not a fan of sharif but the way he dealt with him before the coup, life turns 360 for mushy - hope sharif takes his revenge - i wanna see that man rot in jail

Badsha
13th May 2013, 13:07
Not a fan of sharif but the way he dealt with him before the coup, life turns 360 for mushy - hope sharif takes his revenge - i wanna see that man rot in jail

I can understand that sentiment.

He had the Sharrifs and Bhuttos out only to let them back in.

hamzie
13th May 2013, 13:16
What a joke.

Yaar they are a joke

but the meeting takes place in about 1h 15minutes

lets hope sense prevails

PakistanPaindabad
13th May 2013, 13:16
Nawaz Sharif requested in his speech at 11-00 PM "Give us simple majority" to whom he was requesting while polling was ended at 6 pm

from twitter @raoo512

hamzie
13th May 2013, 13:18
PTI setup a website for voters to vote online to judge the real numbers
http://ptivotes.com/

jaspa888
13th May 2013, 13:20
The day Ganja takes Mushy on, that will be his last day in office. The Army looks after its own, especially the current top brass who are all Mushy protégés.

Expect a full pardon (at best) or exile (at worst).

saeedhk
13th May 2013, 13:39
Wht a joke! Media, Help us!!! @affandawood @Kleptocracy1 @UmarCheema1 @MansoorGeoNews @HamidMirGEO Ch Nisar wins by 29 votes after 7th Count


PTI leaders quote.


Insane. Nisar has stolen another seat

Pathetic.

style_guru
13th May 2013, 13:39
I am told by many that PML-N has a good chance of returning to power. And also that PTI has been able to tap the urban voters well, but sadly it won't be enough for them to claim majority.

How true it was, even before the voting was halfway done:dav

thecricket
13th May 2013, 13:42
PTI setup a website for voters to vote online to judge the real numbers
http://ptivotes.com/

Fake website, its not setup by PTI !!


Urgent Be Aware: By Awab Alvi (SMT):

NOTE- A website PTIVotes is making rounds on the social media - this is NOT a PTI run project so please strictly avoid entering any data.

STOP sharing links which you find floating around on the internet!

Badsha
13th May 2013, 14:34
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>4 members comitte formed to negotiate with like minded Parties in KPK for Govt Fornation.Asad qaiser, shah farman, M Atif and me part of it</p>&mdash; Pervaiz Khattak (@Pervaiz_Khattak) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pervaiz_Khattak/status/333863359793467394">May 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


PTI is forming the government in KPK

I'm really excited about the future of my province :D

asifp
13th May 2013, 14:35
Other parties claim they have a slient majority.Yes they do, so silent that they only exist on paper.

PML-N would have won 100 seats anyways, but rigging their way to 120ish is unacceptable

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 14:36
Mian Nawaz Sharif was the best suitable option for international establishment and safe bet for our establishment and Saudis too....



By the way i expected around 40-45 seats for PTI...but they could not do so and these are the basic reasons for this....

1) Imran Khan did not have enough time to campaign and reach out to the masses in an effective manner. Intra party elections did not help him either, Candidates were not announced on time..N league and PPP also conspired to shorten the campaign time for the disadvantage of Imran Khan...Older people still had N league and PPP in their minds and they considered N league better as at least they can build roads and spend money on laptops,taxis etc....

2)N league succeeded in brain washing conservative and relatively illiterate population in Punjab that Imran khan is backed by Jews and Qadiyanis ,his children are being groomed by a non Muslim mother...Furthermore they also created the impression that Imran Khan is an associate of Zardari ....Imran Khan's over criticism of Sharif's,Zardari's lack of criticism of Khan did not help PTI either...Because people were so angry with PPP ,they actually thought that voting for PTI will result in PPP's success...I feel Imran should have kept a balance in his criticism for both parties and should have discussed his own manifesto more..

3) The anticipations from media, experts that Nawaz will from government also helped N league. because large number of voters in Punjab vote for the party they consider will form government, People think that thus their votes will not be wasted and they will be able to gain trivial benefits if their voted candidates win...I must remind you that majority of people in entire Punjab are bot ready to vote for the losing candidate.....N league was always ready to form alliances to form Government and PTI never indicated to form any alliances and the so called survey's also helped N league because people firmly believed that N league will form government....

4)Pti actually won 4 or 5 more seats in Punjab but because of mismanagement of ECP and rigging from N league's goons , final results were tilted in N league's favour..

5) Ticket distribution was not error free either...Some more suitable candidates could have been picked.....This process was decent but not excellent..


But there are few positives for PTI

PTI had no presence in assembles but now it has considerable seats in National Assembly....it is many steps ahead...

That it replaced PPP in Punjab as the second largest political force, also got votes thousands of votes in Karachi and Quetta ,and is also in the position to form government in KPK ...

Imran can prove himself as a true statesman there as success in KPK against all these challenges will mean much more..

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.- "George Carlin"

I can never understand that how my vote is equal to Abdul Sattar Edhi's vote....and Qadeer Khan's vote is also equal to a prisoner of Adyala jail....?

This form of democracy is flawed as far as I am concerned...

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 14:40
Nawaz Sharif requested in his speech at 11-00 PM "Give us simple majority" to whom he was requesting while polling was ended at 6 pm

from twitter @raoo512

I guess it was before 10PM

Down2Earth
13th May 2013, 14:47
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HUNwFukj-6I" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 14:51
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>4 members comitte formed to negotiate with like minded Parties in KPK for Govt Fornation.Asad qaiser, shah farman, M Atif and me part of it</p>&mdash; Pervaiz Khattak (@Pervaiz_Khattak) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pervaiz_Khattak/status/333863359793467394">May 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


PTI is forming the government in KPK

I'm really excited about the future of my province :D

I am happy but not quite sure if they will be able to meet all these challenges..

But who is a suitable CM option???

Imran's CM must be special....:D

And how can load shedding issue could be addressed in KPK with its indigenous resources ?...I know there are rivers but it will take a lot of time and money to build dams on these rivers...?

Terrorism is also an issue ..They can stop people from terrorising people here by anti-American stance but when these militants cross border to fight Americans in Afghanistan then Nato and Americans will protest and demand actions??

Runner Up
13th May 2013, 14:58
Those who have voted for PTI in Karachi especially living in MQM areas, please be careful because one of my friends told me that he saw MQM people noting down the names of people from the votes who voted for PTI.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 15:04
Ishaq Dollar to become Finance Minister...:)))

Badsha
13th May 2013, 15:06
I am happy but not quite sure if they will be able to meet all these challenges..

But who is a suitable CM option???

Imran's CM must be special....:D

And how can load shedding issue could be addressed in KPK with its indigenous resources ?...I know there are rivers but it will take a lot of time and money to build dams on these rivers...?

Terrorism is also an issue ..They can stop people from terrorising people here by anti-American stance but when these militants cross border to fight Americans in Afghanistan then Nato and Americans will protest and demand actions??


The CM will most likely be Pervez Khattak.


Load shedding is a problem in KPK but it's slightly less than that of Punjabs.
I think it's going to be tough because Imran Khan has always said it will take him 3.5 years to tackle this problem.


There are plenty of rivers in KPK and solar energy also has good potential. If N-league lives up to its promise of providing electricity, It will be easier for Imran.

Terrorism is an issue I'm worried about because defense is a federal issue. Hopefully, Imran will put pressure on Nawaz to stop drone attacks.

Pak_Jazba
13th May 2013, 15:08
Jamshed Dasti has joined PML N.

Friend786
13th May 2013, 15:09
Jamshed Dasti joins PML(N).

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 15:12
No need to update joining of independents at all.....if some one does not join PML N ,then you have a point to share it

Friend786
13th May 2013, 15:13
PML(N) getting simple majority ? good or bad?

Pak_Jazba
13th May 2013, 15:15
The sight of Ahsan Iqbal sitting there in the Raiwind Meeting made my blood boil.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 15:16
Badshah , does Pervez Khattak has a good reputation? Is he honest and incorruptible ?

Pak_Jazba
13th May 2013, 15:16
PML(N) getting simple majority ? good or bad?


Good - They will have to fulfill all promises, and would have no excuses at the end of their 5 year term.

Bad - They will have a much higher say in the presidential elections.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 15:18
PML(N) getting simple majority ? good or bad?

That's good.....The plunderers will be minimised this way...and they won't have excuses either

Friend786
13th May 2013, 15:18
PTI needs 17 seats more to form a government in KPK.

saeedhk
13th May 2013, 15:24
Pak Iran gas pipeline might be cancelled.

Pak_Jazba
13th May 2013, 15:25
I've lost hope now. The protest will be of no use. The governance will treat these protests as a set of supporters crying foul after losing election. There will be no result of these protests. This system from top to bottom is corrupt. No one in this country can win fairly, and no one in this country deserves a party like PTI, and a leader like Imran Khan.

ECP thankyou for 'free & fair' election. It was so free & fair that I have decided that i will never cast a vote in my lifetime for any party.

Badsha
13th May 2013, 15:25
Badshah , does Pervez Khattak has a good reputation? Is he honest and incorruptible ?

He changes parties like he changes clothes they say but I haven't heard of any corruption cases against him.


He is very thin and usually the fat people are corrupt.

Badsha
13th May 2013, 15:27
Badshah , does Pervez Khattak has a good reputation? Is he honest and incorruptible ?

But I just realized, Asad Qaiser also has a big chance of becoming CM KPK


he is from the "nazriyati" team of PTI having been a member since the 90's and has worked really hard to get to this level

Friend786
13th May 2013, 15:31
Pak Iran gas pipeline might be cancelled.

expected , US and Saudis are against Iran. Nawaz Sharif is a pitoo of US and Saudi.

LethalSami
13th May 2013, 15:33
Pak Iran gas pipeline might be cancelled.

iF that happens, we all will know who Nooras are in bed with and how they get elected!!!

Badsha
13th May 2013, 15:33
Pak Iran gas pipeline might be cancelled.

why?

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 15:37
Zardari and Gillani are not fat either....:P

I think Ministers must have some technical expertise of the fields they are allotted..CM can be any individual who is honest,tough and incorruptible.

Friend786
13th May 2013, 15:39
Governor of Punjab resigns.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 15:41
Yes Iran-Pak gas project is at risk...,Nawaz has even his own daughter in Arab and also his business there....His sons are doing business in USA and Britain and have millions of dollars/ponds in their banks also...

And Nawaz is primarily a businessman...

That's why Imran always said do not chose a person as your leader whose wealth is out of country..

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 15:43
Governor of Punjab resigns.

It is Zardari's move.....He will bring a more tough guy there...

hamzie
13th May 2013, 15:44
http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-100751-Will-go-to-SC,-if-not-heard-in-ECP:-PTI

Small glimmer of hope

Badsha
13th May 2013, 15:44
If iran-pak gas project is cancelled, I'll be really sad.


And pervek khattak is very thin. Like a stick figure :P

Friend786
13th May 2013, 15:51
don't see PTI forming a government in KPK because , JUI-F , Aftab Sherpao and Independents will join hands with PML(N).

saeedhk
13th May 2013, 15:51
why?

Saudis can easily influence Nawaz considering they have helped him in the past(Exile).
Plus,he has property there.He should be their man.

saeedhk
13th May 2013, 15:52
don't see PTI forming a government in KPK because , JUI-F , Aftab Sherpao and Independents will join hands with PML(N).

True.NS will buy them.

Badsha
13th May 2013, 16:04
don't see PTI forming a government in KPK because , JUI-F , Aftab Sherpao and Independents will join hands with PML(N).


Government in KPK is going to be PTI + JI + Independents || Sherpao || maybe even ANP's 3 seats


There is no way N would want to be in a government dominated by MMA




Saudis can easily influence Nawaz considering they have helped him in the past(Exile).
Plus,he has property there.He should be their man.

Can we not do something about it in parliament? and.. the project has already started. I wonder if he really will stop it now

hamzie
13th May 2013, 16:08
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Nawaz sharifaccepted the <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PTI">#PTI</a> mandate in <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23KPK">#KPK</a>. We don't want JUIF government in KPK.</p>&mdash; A T I F - NA 17 (@AtifNR) <a href="https://twitter.com/AtifNR/status/333893782158319616">May 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Friend786
13th May 2013, 16:09
Can we not do something about it in parliament? and.. the project has already started. I wonder if he really will stop it now

Lets hope for strong opposition from PTI , PPP and Media on this issue.

Friend786
13th May 2013, 16:10
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Nawaz sharifaccepted the <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PTI">#PTI</a> mandate in <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23KPK">#KPK</a>. We don't want JUIF government in KPK.</p>&mdash; A T I F - NA 17 (@AtifNR) <a href="https://twitter.com/AtifNR/status/333893782158319616">May 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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how reliable is this source ?

saeedhk
13th May 2013, 16:10
@Badsha
^Difficult to do anything.They have the majority in the parliament.

hamzie
13th May 2013, 16:14
how reliable is this source ?

I have seen a couple of tweets about it on twitter

i think nawaz gave a speech 10 - 20 minutes ago so it may be possible
possibly his way to prevent PTI appealing against the rigging

Friend786
13th May 2013, 16:16
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Now Nawaz Sharif invites Manmohan Singh to attend his oath taking ceremony in Pakistan.</p>&mdash; barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/333893781516611584">May 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Kianig89
13th May 2013, 16:16
Don't know whats latest on IK's health but surely this is crunch time he needs to be alert and astute try his level best to form govt in KPK take JI and and another party probably a Democratic party (jamhori party i guess)..............need to make a first move

Kianig89
13th May 2013, 16:18
@Badsha
^Difficult to do anything.They have the majority in the parliament.

Can be done PPP has majority in Senate which is the ultimate legistaltion passer.......so if anti NS sentiments are boiled then PPP can do something

Badsha
13th May 2013, 16:20
http://insafpk.tv/watch_video.php?v=DH58BYNK99RN

saeedhk
13th May 2013, 16:20
^^But they would still have the majority,right?

Kianig89
13th May 2013, 16:21
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Now Nawaz Sharif invites Manmohan Singh to attend his oath taking ceremony in Pakistan.</p>&mdash; barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/333893781516611584">May 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Dr. Manmohan n NS trolling each other ..........:P

Kianig89
13th May 2013, 16:23
^^But they would still have the majority,right?

Yup even ANP n Q league who are no existant in parliament now have 5-6 senators combined...........Shahi Syed haji Adeel Shujat Mushaid Hussain etc

Reverselap
13th May 2013, 16:23
A person who celebrated the death of the honourable and great Miss Thatcher wants to investigate Altaf. Wow, what a sensible person

hamzie
13th May 2013, 16:27
section 144 implemented in karachi
LOL ***

hamzie
13th May 2013, 16:30
IS SINDH THAT SCARED!? they had to implement section 144!?!?!?!?
W.T.F

Pak_Jazba
13th May 2013, 16:39
IS SINDH THAT SCARED!? they had to implement section 144!?!?!?!?
W.T.F

As i said, this is a hopeless & corrupt nation. Just forget about elections now and move on with your lives.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 16:41
Saudis can easily influence Nawaz considering they have helped him in the past(Exile).
Plus,he has property there.He should be their man.

Plus, this is what US cables say!!!



Thursday, 16 October 2008, 10:16
C O N F I D E N T I A L RIYADH 001541
SIPDIS
EO 12958 DECL: 10/15/2018
TAGS PREL, PTER, SA, PK
SUBJECT: PAKISTANI RELATIONS WITH SAUDIS "STRAINED"
REF: A. (A) ISLAMABAD 3249 B. (B) RIYADH 1510 C. (C) RIYADH 1175 D. (D) ISLAMABAD 2405
Classified By: CDA David Rundell, reasons 1.4 b & d.

1. (C) SAUDIS UNHAPPY WITH ZARDARI: Echoing Pakistani interlocutors in Washington and Islamabad, in an introductory call with PolCouns, Pakistani DCM Sarfraz Khanzada (protect) characterized Saudi-Pakistani relations as "under strain." This was due, he said, to a lack of Saudi confidence in the Zardari government. He cited a sharp reduction in Saudi financial assistance to Pakistan, and said that the Saudis had not provided "a single drop" of oil at the concessionary terms promised last year (refs c & d). Instead, during 2008, the Saudis had provided assistance in the form of a single $300 million check, considerably less than in previous years, but "beggars can't be choosers," he lamented. Khanzada opined that the Saudi government appeared to be "waiting for the Zardari government to fall."

2. (C) NAWAS FAVORED: Khanzada said the Pakistanis are convinced that Saudi King Abdallah would prefer to see Pakistan run by former PM Nawas Sharif, and were cutting back assistance to Pakistan to hasten this eventuality. Nawas "practically lives" in Saudi Arabia, Khanzada declared, claiming that Nawas had even been favored with reserved prayer space in the Prophet's Mosque in Medina. Because Nawas' daughter is married to a grandson of King Fahd, he has "become a member of the Saudi royal family." (Comment: Embassy is not able to confirm whether this is true. End comment.)

3. (C) AFGHAN MEDIATION: Khanzada claimed that the Pakistani government was not directly informed about the Saudi Afghan mediation effort, though they suspected that Nawas had been present, since he was in Mecca at the same time. While the Pakistani government did not oppose such talks in principle, they believe they have little chance of succeeding without U.S. and Pakistani participation.

4. (C) COMMENT: Khanzada's remarks track with reporting from Islamabad and Washington regarding Pakistani concerns about deteriorating relations with the Saudis. While our Saudi interlocutors tend to be less forthcoming, they've made no secret of their reservations regarding Asif Zardari. Nevertheless, officials continue to insist that Saudi Arabia supports efforts to stabilize Pakistan, and we expect that Saudi officials will participate in the next round of meetings of the Friends of Pakistan. End comment. RUNDELL


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/173954

Markhor
13th May 2013, 16:55
http://beta.dawn.com/news/1011132/mushahid-wants-imran-to-become-opposition-leader

IK to be leader of the opposition ?


ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) is expected to nominate Syed Khurshid Shah as leader of the opposition in the upcoming National Assembly (NA).

Meanwhile, Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid (PML-Q) secretary general, Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed, put his weight in favour of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan.

“In the given circumstances and the way the election campaign was run, I think Imran Khan is the natural choice to become the opposition leader,” Senator Mushahid told Dawn.com.

He said the PML-Q would talk to the former ruling party to pave way for Imran Khan.

The PPP’s sources said the former ruling party would be unlikely to abandon the important slot of opposition leader after disastrous election results.

They said Khurshid Shah, who was party’s chief whip in the last National Assembly, is the most favorite at the moment. The party leadership would also deliberate if Makhdoom Amin Fahim should be given that slot.

Fahim has the reputation of being laidback and normally keeps himself from controversies. The PPP wants an energetic leader to safeguard its interests inside the lower house of the parliament, now dominated by the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N).

“Khurshid Shah is very active. He also has developed good rapport with the PML-N. He would keep the opposition intact and make sure his party is not hounded as part of political victimization,” a senior PPP leader said.

The PPP and the PTI are going neck-to-neck in National Assembly seats, but PPP also enjoys the support of Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), which bagged 17 direct seats in the elections.

The largest opposition group would submit a signed declaration to the NA speaker while nominating the opposition leader.

“The speaker shall declare a member as Leader of the Opposition having the greatest numerical strength after the verification of the signatures of the members,” reads Rule 39 (3) of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the National Assembly, 2007.

So under the rules even if PTI manages to surpass the numerical strength of PPP, it would require help from other parties. The PTI chief has already announced his party would not join hands with any party of the former ruling coalition.

Asked to comment on the reasons of the former ruling coalition’s defeat, Senator Mushahid said power outages and economic crises doomed them all. “It’s part of the game. Those defeated would live to fight another day. Remember the PML-N got only 17 (NA) seats in 2002 general elections,” he added.

He advised Nawaz Sharif not to indulge in old controversies like opening a fresh inquiry into the Kargil debacle or the Mumbai attacks. “He should look forward, otherwise there would be problems for everyone,” he said.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 17:04
Imran Khan's becoming of opposition leader is highly unlikely and almost impossible

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 17:17
So, now we will have motorway and bullet train from Karachi to Peshawar (Worth of around 15 billion dollars) :D

While children will play hide and seek in schools ,where as patients will suffer in hospitals, poor will not have food to eat and clean water to drink, And MNA/MPAs,Police will enslave our public through Thana/ketchery's corrupt system....

hamzie
13th May 2013, 17:27
So, now we will have motorway and bullet train from Karachi to Peshawar (Worth of around 15 billion dollars) :D

While children will play hide and seek in schools ,where as patients will suffer in hospitals, poor will not have food to eat and clean water to drink, And MNA/MPAs,Police will enslave our public through Thana/ketchery's corrupt system....

Pakistan zindabad.

AZ
13th May 2013, 17:50
indeed, in fact all schools and hospitals will be razed to the ground and schoolchildren will be used as slave labour to build roads and highways.

farazaidi
13th May 2013, 18:00
^lets see if PML-N can now

end load shedding in 2 years
built a bullet train from Karachi to Peshawar

And AZ, will you still vote for them if they fail to deliver on these promises?

insaaniyat
13th May 2013, 18:01
As i said, this is a hopeless & corrupt nation. Just forget about elections now and move on with your lives.

Exactly. All those who voted NS in, don't come crying on TV when things don't change. sorry for all of you. We here felt really bad for your health and welfare. I must say now i have no sympathy for you. You get what you deserve, another five years of misery.

Friend786
13th May 2013, 18:04
indeed, in fact all schools and hospitals will be razed to the ground and schoolchildren will be used as slave labour to build roads and highways.

you got an offer for ministry of education or health?

AZ
13th May 2013, 18:14
^lets see if PML-N can now

end load shedding in 2 years
built a bullet train from Karachi to Peshawar

And AZ, will you still vote for them if they fail to deliver on these promises?

if PTI doesn't wipe out corruption and fix KP in 90 days will you vote for someone else?

if PMLN do absolutely zilch else but achieve these 2 things will you vote for them in the next elections?

let's not give stupid ultimatums.

have to see how they do overall.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 18:14
indeed, in fact all schools and hospitals will be razed to the ground and schoolchildren will be used as slave labour to build roads and highways.

I know from where you are coming but you missed police stations, affiliations with lashkar-e-jhangvi, food and water issues here..


And do not forget people that load shedding will end in 6 months.....According to other versions in 1 or 2 years perhaps.....:P



On a serious note I will be happy if they do not build bullet trains, motorways from Karachi to Peshawar but make schools, hospitals and thana culture worth of a nuclear and free country , provide clean water to people in Pakistan along with ending load shedding in 3 years..

AZ
13th May 2013, 18:16
I know from where you are coming but you missed police stations, affiliations with lashkar-e-jhangvi, food and water issues here..


And do not forget people that load shedding will end in 6 months.....According to other versions in 1 or 2 years perhaps.....:P



On a serious note I will be happy if they do not build bullet trains, motorways from Karachi to Peshawar but make schools, hospitals and thana culture worth of a nuclear and free country , provide clean water to people in Pakistan along with ending load shedding in 3 years..

another ignorant parrot, PMLN ran AGAINST LEJ chief in Jhang AND defeated him.

zimmz
13th May 2013, 18:24
IK said himself he believes the courts are independent now. He agreed on ECP, he agreed to care taker govt. With what face will he now say I don't believe in anything anymore and want street style revolution.

How can IK knows what's in the hearts of seemingly decent person? IK is known to trust people and give them chance. Now that the performance is in front of us, there is no shame in calling spade a spade.

I thnk PTI should go full strength against clearly rigged seats. It's not about gaining seats but to to fight for the right. Otherwise this rigging will never stop and IK has no chance in future to come into power even if KPK becomes dubai.


if PTI doesn't wipe out corruption and fix KP in 90 days will you vote for someone else?

if PMLN do absolutely zilch else but achieve these 2 things will you vote for them in the next elections?

let's not give stupid ultimatums.

have to see how they do overall.

There is nothing stupid about that question. Since all jalsa were about bullet trains and motorways, loadshedding. So the question makes sense. Will you still support sharif if he fails to deliver on these issues?

If PTI can't stop minister level corruption in 90 days in KPK i would doubt their ability to do any good of PAk.

And NO I will never vote sharif even if he build bullet train and get rid of load shedding because these couple of issues not equal prospered Pakistan.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 18:29
I have a feeling that we might need another D chowk show some months later if we are not able to form government after these elections.....:(

It is a good rehearsal .....I think we will have Tahir-ul-Qadiri, Munnawar Hasan in our support too during that time...

I really wish we will be able to avert that situation before time....This can not continue the way it is going right now

My thoughts before D chowk jalsa on 9th May.....

I really hope Nawaz Sharif does some good things to avert a major crisis in Pakistan...

AZ
13th May 2013, 18:34
There is nothing stupid about that question. Since all jalsa were about bullet trains and motorways, loadshedding. So the question makes sense. Will you still support sharif if he fails to deliver on these issues?

If PTI can't stop minister level corruption in 90 days in KPK i would doubt their ability to do any good of PAk.

And NO I will never vote sharif even if he build bullet train and get rid of load shedding because these couple of issues not equal prospered Pakistan.

I will not vote for them if they do not do a good job governing the country.

If you are buying into jalsa rhetoric, and indeed think those are the only reasons people voted for them then well, you'd be pretty clueless too.

as for PTI, they have a massive challenge in KP and I sincerely wish them all the best there.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 18:38
another ignorant parrot, PMLN ran AGAINST LEJ chief in Jhang AND defeated him.

lol they had understanding with ASWJ in many other constituencies .....

and what about other issues ,you illuminated parrot...? :facepalm:

Shahbaz Sharif has already broken the promise with his supporters that he would become minister of water and power ,and thus end load shedding in 6 months just like Metro bus....

I am more scared from Ishaq Dollar though...

AZ
13th May 2013, 18:40
LOL understanding had them running against the LEJ chief? please give it up, you are sounding like a fool.

Waseem
13th May 2013, 18:46
^^^We have short memories, even if PMLN doesn't do ANYTHING they promised and run the country even like Pervez Elahi, they would win the next elections easily (THIS is how pathetic PPP was, they would make even Maulana Diesel's government look good)

waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 18:50
Insaftak i am really disappointed the way PTI leadership has responded to youth.If this was the change IK was talking about that even after loosing you are not listening to your youth than i am sorry.I made mistake in judging IK.
They took away PTI seats intentionally not to allow us to form govt in KPK and also taking away leading Oppsition role in NA.
We need to stand up now because its either now or never.

Fauzia Kasure joined the protest in Lahore. Faisal Javed Khan will be joining the protest in Pindi today.

But why hasnt there been a call for a united march from PTI? The reaction from them hasn't been as aggressive as I expected. Anyone with any inside info or sauces within the PTI can shed some light on it.

Raamu, Insaf?

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 18:51
LOL understanding had them running against the LEJ chief? please give it up, you are sounding like a fool.

There are factions within ASWJ .....

You are trying to be over smart living in thousands of miles away...

Ask Rana Sanaullah ,families of Salman Taseer and Gillanis ,Christians of Lahore and lodhran about this...

waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 18:51
^^^We have short memories, even if PMLN doesn't do ANYTHING they promised and run the country even like Pervez Elahi, they would win the next elections easily (THIS is how pathetic PPP was, they would make even Maulana Diesel's government look good)

PMLN will rig the next elections too, just like they did this one. Of course, their followers will not admit that. There's a reason they are called nooras.

oyei
13th May 2013, 19:00
Oh really Pml N won because people voted for them, best joke ever.

asifp
13th May 2013, 19:03
Fauzia Kasure joined the protest in Lahore. Faisal Javed Khan will be joining the protest in Pindi today.

But why hasnt there been a call for a united march from PTI? The reaction from them hasn't been as aggressive as I expected. Anyone with any inside info or sauces within the PTI can shed some light on it.

Raamu, Insaf?

I keep on telling you guys SMQ and Hashmi don't care about you, they cared about their seats. The real PTI workers have been pushed to the back and are no longer leaders of the party.

Let this be a moment for PTI to kick out SMQ and Hashmi and make new leaders who can lead for the next five years.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 19:04
I had to Google it for AZ



Worried by the potential for an upset defeat, the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) candidate for NA-48 has found an unlikely ally in his last-ditch efforts to rally support in the capital’s urban areas.

Anjum Aqeel Khan comfortably won the election in 2008 with 60 per cent of the vote, compared to his closest opponent, Dr Israr Hussain, who garnered 26 per cent on a PPP ticket.

Since then, Khan — a property developer — has been in hot water with the law because of a multi-billion rupee corruption scandal. Though his party did not give up on him, some fear the voters may have.

Khan has now unilaterally forged an alliance with the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ), a right-wing political party born out of Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, a group banned for its links with terrorist activities.

“I don’t know about the PML-N policy towards the group in other parts of the country, particularly Jhang, which is an ASWJ stronghold, but I’m in touch with their Islamabad leadership,” Khan told The Express Tribune.

For NA-89 Jhang, the PML-N awarded a ticket to former federal minister Sheikh Waqas Akram’s father Sheikh Akram, pitting the former minister’s father against ASWJ chief Muhammad Ahmed Ludhianvi. The younger Akram beat Ludhianvi in the contest for the same seat in 2008 while on a PML-Q ticket. Ludhianvi had filed nomination papers for NA-89 and PA-78, which both cover the urban areas of Jhang city.

“In Islamabad, religious leaders from various sects are supporting me for a re-election,” Khan said. Earlier this week, Khan had visited ASWJ headquarters to meet its leadership, who announced support for him in the next general elections.

Yet, the PML-N leadership seems to be in the dark. When asked about the party’s position on the alliance, PML-N spokesperson Senator Mushahidullah Khan said, “I’m not aware of this development in Islamabad,” while adding that Anjum Aqeel Khan would know better.
Khan spent part of his term as MNA behind bars after being arrested for his role in the Rs6 billion National Police Foundation land scam. He is currently in hot water with the Supreme Court, which has taken notice of the manner in which an out-of-court settlement on the issue was reached.

His frantic efforts may also be because of the ‘new’ entrants this time around. Where in 2008 the only other strong contender for NA-48, was the PPP, this time around, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf (PTI) and Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) will both be fielding candidates after boycotting the 2008 elections. The major candidates in Islamabad include the JI’s Mian Aslam, Javed Hashmi from the PTI, Faisal Sakhi Butt from the PPP and Khan from the PML-N.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/544588/political-bedfellows-aswj-throws-weight-behind-anjum-aqeel/

More over, Sardar Ebaad Dogar, an ASWJ leader from Muzaffargarh, is the PML-N candidate for NA-178, despite having announced bounty for former Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer for supporting a woman accused of blasphemy.

These are called links,...there are plenty of other areas too specially in Faisalabad where N league's candidates were backed by these groups

N league only cared to have electables into their fold, does not matter even if it is some one as corrupt and dishonest as Anjum Aqeel Khan...

zimmz
13th May 2013, 19:07
I will not vote for them if they do not do a good job governing the country.

If you are buying into jalsa rhetoric, and indeed think those are the only reasons people voted for them then well, you'd be pretty clueless too.


Lol calling me clueless when all I hear from noon supporters is that how good were sharifs because they come up with jangla bus, motorway, bridges etc and the reason they vote them. This attitude of people PMLN know well hence why they mentioned all these gimmicks in jalsa.

When you say "good job governing the country", can you elaborate? What are your metrics for this good job?

asifp
13th May 2013, 19:09
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/941286_599393406752503_902092995_n.jpg

asifp
13th May 2013, 19:11
Guys why can't the ECP provide polling station by polling station breakdown of the results?

That way we can easily spot which polling station had crazy number of votes for one party?

HAS ECP heard the word statistical analysis

hamzie
13th May 2013, 19:16
http://dawn.com/2013/05/13/ecp-seeks-all-election-record-over-rigging-in-karachi/
They need to look into punjab as well

Friend786
13th May 2013, 19:20
Guys why can't the ECP provide polling station by polling station breakdown of the results?

That way we can easily spot which polling station had crazy number of votes for one party?

HAS ECP heard the word statistical analysis

ECP has already stamped "free and fair" on this election. Why would they want to get into a mess?

farazaidi
13th May 2013, 19:23
if PTI doesn't wipe out corruption and fix KP in 90 days will you vote for someone else?

if PMLN do absolutely zilch else but achieve these 2 things will you vote for them in the next elections?

let's not give stupid ultimatums.

have to see how they do overall.

lol, what a stupid response. PTI has to stop minister level corruption in 90 days, surely if they dont fullfill that promise I wont be voting them. The bigger challenge for them I feel is restoring peace in that region and de-politicizing the police.

These were not just jalsa gimmics but priority guidelines and these stupid ultimatum was given by yours favourite chota Shareef. Ofcourse it doesnt mean we judge their governance solely on these two issues but they are going to be the very important deciding factor, specially load shedding. Remember that my ignorant friend !

asifp
13th May 2013, 19:23
ECP has already stamped "free and fair" on this election. Why would they want to get into a mess?

I think we should be asking for this as an awam. Its our right to know the results down the level of each polling station.

The Media should press ECP to release this as well.

Trust me, half the rigging would be found out if something like this is released to the public.

shan
13th May 2013, 19:25
N the only party to win provincial seats in all provinces. The Pakistani public have spoken and they want Sher-e-Punjab to lead.

HamzaSaeen
13th May 2013, 19:28
Given the relationship Nawaz has with the Establishment and Kiyani 'retiring' this year, I don't personally see his government lasting long.

Imran_Sir
13th May 2013, 19:29
Lagta hai Sher Imran ko kha gaya

waqar_ahmad
13th May 2013, 19:34
Jehangir Tareen also lost his seat!!

What the hell. This is unbelievable rigging

asifp
13th May 2013, 19:37
N the only party to win provincial seats in all provinces. The Pakistani public have spoken and they want Sher-e-Punjab to lead.

you mean the people that count votes want him to lead

arsalan660
13th May 2013, 20:15
Chaudry Nisar lost from Texla to PTI. now election free and fair :)

asifp
13th May 2013, 20:18
Chaudry Nisar lost from Texla to PTI. now election free and fair :)

I think this is more of PML-N realising oops we have rigged too much, maybe slow it down a bit

arsalan660
13th May 2013, 20:19
Please elaborate...

I mean this was a dream that PTI will sweep the election as they were only chances of them winning maximum 60 seats.

PTI was in a position of sweeping elections in FB and Social Media only. :yk

HamzaSaeen
13th May 2013, 20:22
I mean this was a dream that PTI will sweep the election as they were only chances of them winning maximum 60 seats.

PTI was in a position of sweeping elections in FB and Social Media only. :yk

Wasn't a dream, could have been easily a reality hadn't your noora and MQM rigged the polls heavily.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 20:35
Chaudry Nisar lost from Texla to PTI. now election free and fair :)

Because Ghulam Sarwar has personal influence over this area....He also defeated him in 2002 elections....

Every one knows about Saad Rafique and Sardar Ayaz Saadiq issue....Ahsan Iqbal has also used proclaimed offenders and money to win the elections...

It is very easy to take ID cards of the poor or buy the votes after giving them 500 or 1000rupees each....It will cost him around 10 to 20 million for 20000 votes....but he will receive at least 150-200 million in the name of developmental funds from government in next 5 years....Will spend around 5o million on people and thus will make atleast 90 -140 million in 5 years ...

That's why Politics is such a profitable business here!!

Garuda
13th May 2013, 20:48
I think a lot of confusion is due to media too.

Many times they used to declare a lead or result saying unofficially. They used to get call from someone and used to tell "I told you first". That used to look very cheap actually :)

So you can never trust the number which was being shown on media as they were from their sources.

Friend786
13th May 2013, 20:51
PESHAWAR: The mother of ANP chief Asfandyar Wali Khan, Begum Naseem Khan has blamed her son for the failure of the ANP in the elections.

http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=100785

Friend786
13th May 2013, 21:24
N the only party to win provincial seats in all provinces. The Pakistani public have spoken and they want Sher-e-Punjab to lead.

PML(F) has also won in every province.

Friend786
13th May 2013, 21:33
Gillani quits PPP office, takes responsibility for defeat

Friend786
13th May 2013, 21:49
Raja Pervez Ashraf has been put on ECL for rental power case.

wasim-fan
13th May 2013, 21:57
Is there an inqalab or revolution or protest march or Jalsa planned against Taliban who are trying to hijack and bully the common citizens ?

Not to mention, the children who died in recent attacks on election day.

Markhor
13th May 2013, 22:18
Election recap for today:

MQM calls for re-polling in the entire constituency of NA-250

14 election tribunals formed to hear rigging complaints

NA-53: Chaudhry Nisar loses to PTI candidate Ghulam Sardar


269/272

PML(N) 125
PPPP 32
IND 31
PTI 31
MQM 17
JUI(F) 10
PML-F 5
JI 3
PKMAP 3
NPP 2

All results are subject to change by ECP.

insaaniyat
13th May 2013, 22:33
Wasn't a dream, could have been easily a reality hadn't your noora and MQM rigged the polls heavily.

Brother don't ever stop dreaming. One day awam will wake up.

asifp
13th May 2013, 22:35
And this is why I saw say, doing some simple analysis will prove where rigging has happened!

http://dawn.com/2013/05/13/stats-confirm-reports-of-rigging-in-several-karachi-polling-stations/

KARACHI: Statistics showing abnormally high turnout confirm reports of rigging at several polling stations across Karachi.In at least five polling stations of the city, the number of votes polled far exceeds the registered voters, according to data from elections observer group FAFEN.Polling stations with over 100 per cent votes polled include Orangi Town, Model Colony, Malir Colony and Shah Faisal Colony. The National Assembly constituencies affected by the apparent malpractice include NA-242, NA-256 and NA-257.According to the statistics obtained by Dawn.com, 2508 and 1484 votes were polled at NA-242 Orangi Town’s polling station (PS) 80 and 2, while the respective number of registered voters was 1349 and 1230.At station 151 of Model Colony and stations 63 of Shah Faisal Colony(NA-256), 3233 and 2495 votes were polled against a total of 2114 and 2405 registered voters.Malir colony’s station 129 (NA-257) also witnessed an impossibly high number of voters, where 2495 votes were polled against 2405 registered voters.At least four other polling stations (PS-37, 38, 39 and 40) in Landhi area falling under NA-255, also appeared to have been affected by irregularities, with the number votes polled falling between 93 to 98 per cent of registered voters.In total, data provided by FAFEN shows at least 32 polling stations with over 80 per cent votes polled, which it says are abnormally high numbers.The Free and Fair Election Network (FAFEN) had over 900 trained election observers monitoring polling in Karachi, and more than 41,000 observers across the country.The Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has taken notice of widespread reports of rigging in Karachi, and has ordered re-polling at 43 stations in Karachi’s NA-250 constituency in 10 day’s time.“We will conduct re-polling where we receive substantial evidence of rigging or irregularities,” Secretary ECP Ishtiaq Ahmed told reporters in Islamabad.The ECP has asked the civil society members to submit evidence of rigging or malpractice to the ECP.

Zarrar
13th May 2013, 22:39
And this is why I saw say, doing some simple analysis will prove where rigging has happened!

http://dawn.com/2013/05/13/stats-confirm-reports-of-rigging-in-several-karachi-polling-stations/

KARACHI: Statistics showing abnormally high turnout confirm reports of rigging at several polling stations across Karachi.In at least five polling stations of the city, the number of votes polled far exceeds the registered voters, according to data from elections observer group FAFEN.Polling stations with over 100 per cent votes polled include Orangi Town, Model Colony, Malir Colony and Shah Faisal Colony. The National Assembly constituencies affected by the apparent malpractice include NA-242, NA-256 and NA-257.According to the statistics obtained by Dawn.com, 2508 and 1484 votes were polled at NA-242 Orangi Town’s polling station (PS) 80 and 2, while the respective number of registered voters was 1349 and 1230.At station 151 of Model Colony and stations 63 of Shah Faisal Colony(NA-256), 3233 and 2495 votes were polled against a total of 2114 and 2405 registered voters.Malir colony’s station 129 (NA-257) also witnessed an impossibly high number of voters, where 2495 votes were polled against 2405 registered voters.At least four other polling stations (PS-37, 38, 39 and 40) in Landhi area falling under NA-255, also appeared to have been affected by irregularities, with the number votes polled falling between 93 to 98 per cent of registered voters.In total, data provided by FAFEN shows at least 32 polling stations with over 80 per cent votes polled, which it says are abnormally high numbers.The Free and Fair Election Network (FAFEN) had over 900 trained election observers monitoring polling in Karachi, and more than 41,000 observers across the country.The Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has taken notice of widespread reports of rigging in Karachi, and has ordered re-polling at 43 stations in Karachi’s NA-250 constituency in 10 day’s time.“We will conduct re-polling where we receive substantial evidence of rigging or irregularities,” Secretary ECP Ishtiaq Ahmed told reporters in Islamabad.The ECP has asked the civil society members to submit evidence of rigging or malpractice to the ECP.

PTI should forget about Punjab...Focus and take a stand on Karachi by calling for the redo of election in all of Karachi with Army's presence...who knows PML N might support the stance....

One battle at a time...in fact they should make an alliance with PMLN just to dislodge MQM from Karachi....

shan
13th May 2013, 22:44
In how many seats there will be re election? Imran Khan have won 3 seats, he will have to leave 2. And Nawaz also won in at least 2. I hope PTI supporters dont lose hope and come to vote in huge numbers this time. Get seats closer to 40 and PTI have much bigger power in oposition.

Runner Up
13th May 2013, 22:56
Watch ARY Mubashir Luqman finally doing some good work by exposing ECP

JibranAnsari
13th May 2013, 23:04
Rigging was exposed in the urban areas .. Only God knows what happened in the rural areas. Even the most biased (honest) analyst would not believe in the results. PTI would have easily taken 20 odd seats in Punjab.

Mian Hassan
13th May 2013, 23:29
Watch ARY Mubashir Luqman finally doing some good work by exposing ECP

Luqman doing a great job I thought he was poor but since the year change the whole 2013 he has been pretty good