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Pak_Jazba
13th May 2013, 23:33
Mubashir clearly exposed the farce that were our elections:

1) Entire punjab elections were rigged. Najam Sethi had been appointed for the exact reason to allow influencing of elections in Punjab.

2) The ECP is filled with people who have allegiances with PML N team. Fakhru himself is as incompetent as anyone can get.

3) All of this could be confirmed by the fact that Nawaz Shareef had come out on 11th May and asked for a simple majority at 10Pm, way before election results had been released.

4)Also why did all these meetings start taking place even before ECP had started declaring results? Why have condolences started to flow in from Saudi, India even before NS has been declared PM?

AZ
13th May 2013, 23:36
same Lucman who called the laptop scheme a fraud and did a planted interview with Malik Riaz?

Insafians please, this is just embarrassing now.

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 23:39
Which seat PTI won in Sindh??

Pak_Jazba
13th May 2013, 23:39
same Lucman who called the laptop scheme a fraud and did a planted interview with Malik Riaz?

Insafians please, this is just embarrassing now.

Oh please. Whatever he did in the past is for all to see, and whatever he showed in his interview today and whatever is there on internet, is all for there to see.

Stop casting a blind eye to what is infront of you. Your party has rigged elections as professionally as one could.

akheR
13th May 2013, 23:39
same Lucman who called the laptop scheme a fraud and did a planted interview with Malik Riaz?

Insafians please, this is just embarrassing now.

Look at what he says now, not what he has done/said before, otherwise your support for PML-N will be hard to rationalize.

PakPrince
13th May 2013, 23:42
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Karachi kissee ki baap ki jageer nahee!

So proud ordinary people in Karachi are standing upto oppression and rigging unlike the meek and timid people from punjab!

waqar goraya
13th May 2013, 23:42
same Lucman who called the laptop scheme a fraud and did a planted interview with Malik Riaz?

Insafians please, this is just embarrassing now.

Have not you read the post about ASWJ supporting PML N in NA 48 and PML N awarding NA ticket to ASWJ leader??

First you need to answer post 7469...

Pak_Jazba
13th May 2013, 23:45
ARY Transmission of Mubashir Lucman show was stopped in various areas of Pakistan whilst the show was on.

This is PML N!

Friend786
13th May 2013, 23:47
same Lucman who called the laptop scheme a fraud and did a planted interview with Malik Riaz?

Insafians please, this is just embarrassing now.

comon , don't listen to mubasher if u want. Just look at the amount of people who are saying that injustice was done.

0tt0man
13th May 2013, 23:49
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0tt0man
13th May 2013, 23:49
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Karachi kissee ki baap ki jageer nahee!

So proud ordinary people in Karachi are standing upto oppression and rigging unlike the meek and timid people from punjab!
What stupidity and idiocy. Blame Punjabis just because you don't follow the news.

akheR
13th May 2013, 23:49
Kharra Sach with Mubasher Lucman, on the pseudo :quote: democratic :quote: elections

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shan
13th May 2013, 23:53
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Karachi kissee ki baap ki jageer nahee!

So proud ordinary people in Karachi are standing upto oppression and rigging unlike the meek and timid people from punjab!

Dont cuss Punjabis, Sher-e-Punjab have all the power to help Karachi people but then people will cry look Punjabis are interfering. :asif

raamu kaka
13th May 2013, 23:54
Chaudry Nisar lost from Texla to PTI. now election free and fair :)

have u ever heard of the word "Chuss"? u always come up with one :/

Did u want PML N to rig all 272 seats? They even rigged seats where PTI won... Imran khan was leading ephidrene bull dog with a lead of 30k n when official results came out, the lead shrinked to 13k... chaudhry nisar lost pp 7 n then asked for recounting until he wins... eventually won it by 250 votes... lost pp 6 too but no worries when presiding officers are your lackeys, eventually he won that by 2k.... nooras have been taken to cleaners by PTI in pindi, they didn't expect this much, hence last minute rigging plans brought into play.

start using brain, before it expires... sincere advise!!

raamu kaka
13th May 2013, 23:55
same Lucman who called the laptop scheme a fraud and did a planted interview with Malik Riaz?

Insafians please, this is just embarrassing now.

you wanted sohail tanveer to lead Pakistan!! means u should never be taken seriously?

raamu kaka
13th May 2013, 23:57
Have not you read the post about ASWJ supporting PML N in NA 48 and PML N awarding NA ticket to ASWJ leader??

First you need to answer post 7469...

do u really think, he has an answer? all he knows is that uncle saad is invincible :yk

insaftak
14th May 2013, 00:00
Sad to Say Mahmood Khan Achakzai has stolen election in NA 259 Quetta

raamu kaka
14th May 2013, 00:01
Which seat PTI won in Sindh??

none :junaid

0tt0man
14th May 2013, 00:02
Sad to Say Mahmood Khan Achakzai has stolen election in NA 259 Quetta
The same Mahmood Khan Achakzai everyone wanted to be made interim PM? :inti
You mean he rigged the elections at the expense of PTI?

raamu kaka
14th May 2013, 00:06
Fauzia Kasure joined the protest in Lahore. Faisal Javed Khan will be joining the protest in Pindi today.

But why hasnt there been a call for a united march from PTI? The reaction from them hasn't been as aggressive as I expected. Anyone with any inside info or sauces within the PTI can shed some light on it.

Raamu, Insaf?

Tomorrow, there will be a presser where rigging evidence would be given to media!! Imran khan has also asked for recount on 25 NA seats.

PakPrince
14th May 2013, 00:09
Dont cuss Punjabis, Sher-e-Punjab have all the power to help Karachi people but then people will cry look Punjabis are interfering. :asif

PMLN is not welcome in Karachi
if the Sharifs show their faces they will regret. We will never be under Sharifs
ethnicity is not an issue here. The party is.

raamu kaka
14th May 2013, 00:09
The same Mahmood Khan Achakzai everyone wanted to be made interim PM? :inti
You mean he rigged the elections at the expense of PTI?

Yup!! PTI Balochistan president, Qasim Khan Suri was a top contender for this seat.

AZ
14th May 2013, 00:12
Which seat PTI won in Sindh??

last time GEO had the results flowing they had 0 seats in Sindh and Balochistan assemblies.


Oh please. Whatever he did in the past is for all to see, and whatever he showed in his interview today and whatever is there on internet, is all for there to see.

Stop casting a blind eye to what is infront of you. Your party has rigged elections as professionally as one could.

rigged elections to the tune of MILLIONS of votes? rehn do paiyyan.



Look at what he says now, not what he has done/said before, otherwise your support for PML-N will be hard to rationalize.

will watch it later on Zem TV.




So proud ordinary people in Karachi are standing upto oppression and rigging unlike the meek and timid people from punjab!

:)) :)) :))

been under their thumb for 30 years, what a brave people.



Have not you read the post about ASWJ supporting PML N in NA 48 and PML N awarding NA ticket to ASWJ leader??

First you need to answer post 7469...

your theories and allegations...if ASWJ are so dangerous why were they allowed to contest elections? on PMLN's behest?

PakPrince
14th May 2013, 00:13
been under their thumb for 30 years, what a brave people.




they had support then.. if ppl of Karachi dont want someone they will stand up.

still preferable to Noora idiots who treat rural punjabis like slaves

Pak_Jazba
14th May 2013, 00:15
http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakistan/173603-Over-100%25-turnout-in-136-polling-stations

Ignore AZ, he is blind Sharif jiyaala, he wont listen to anyone about NS.

Professor
14th May 2013, 00:17
they had support then.. if ppl of Karachi dont want someone they will stand up.

still preferable to Noora idiots who treat rural punjabis like slaves

True, MQM had genuine support thats why they survived for so long. But now that karachites are growing tired of them, they are coming out on the streets and standing up for themselves despite of the threats.

Captan
14th May 2013, 00:22
pti coming in power!!!! noora will not be pm.

shan
14th May 2013, 00:25
they had support then.. if ppl of Karachi dont want someone they will stand up.

still preferable to Noora idiots who treat rural punjabis like slaves

Dont compare punjab with Karachi. Did Sher-e-Punjab said he will kill protestors like Altaf? The protest is still going on in Lahore. No goverment can come without help from Punjab and PPP have ruled Pakistan many times. While in Karachi its dictatorship.

shan
14th May 2013, 00:26
http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakistan/173603-Over-100%25-turnout-in-136-polling-stations

Ignore AZ, he is blind Sharif jiyaala, he wont listen to anyone about NS.

Nadra can easly check those fake votes even if it takes months. Otherwise this election will always be known as unfair.

PennOne
14th May 2013, 00:31
All parties were rigging, its just that rigging was more successful for each major candidate in their best region

1. Massive rigging in punjab by pml n
2. Massive rigging by ppp and mqm in sindh
3. Modest rigging by pti in kpk
4. Everyone rigging in baluchistan

Pml n turned out to be the master riggers
Mqm trolled everyone with 999,999 votes to 0 rigging
Ppp had winds out of its sailed with minor rigging
PTI just didnt have enough kaminey supporters to rig big enough

oyei
14th May 2013, 00:31
last time GEO had the results flowing they had 0 seats in Sindh and Balochistan assemblies.



rigged elections to the tune of MILLIONS of votes? rehn do paiyyan.




will watch it later on Zem TV.



:)) :)) :))

been under their thumb for 30 years, what a brave people.




your theories and allegations...if ASWJ are so dangerous why were they allowed to contest elections? on PMLN's behest?

Atleast they are standing up against, instead of being a langotia pra to corrupt and bhagora p ussy cat.

PakPrince
14th May 2013, 00:33
Dont compare punjab with Karachi. Did Sher-e-Punjab said he will kill protestors like Altaf? The protest is still going on in Lahore. No goverment can come without help from Punjab and PPP have ruled Pakistan many times. While in Karachi its dictatorship.

lol shere-e-punjab
more like billi-e-punjab
dumb tukla.. ashamed that he is gonna be the next PM
Zardari preferable to that idiot

shan
14th May 2013, 00:34
Imran Khan ek ese admi se hara jisko uske apne ghar wale bhi nai jante lol at lucman

shan
14th May 2013, 00:38
lol shere-e-punjab
more like billi-e-punjab
dumb tukla.. ashamed that he is gonna be the next PM
Zardari preferable to that idiot

PPP have looted the country, dont compare Sher-e-Punjab to ******. Imran Khan above everyone but second best option is Sher-e-Punjab. Just look at interior Sindh, even MQM spend money on development. But PPP only know how to make most of it while it last and sindh people suffer. But they keep selecting them, jiye Bhutto.

shan
14th May 2013, 00:40
Anyway there is no doubt Sher-e-Punjab won majority in Punjab, we only have problem with number of seats. PTI was robbed 10 seats in Punjab alone.

PakPrince
14th May 2013, 00:42
PPP have looted the country, dont compare Sher-e-Punjab to ******. Imran Khan above everyone but second best option is Sher-e-Punjab. Just look at interior Sindh, even MQM spend money on development. But PPP only know how to make most of it while it last and sindh people suffer. But they keep selecting them, jiye Bhutto.

Billi-e-Punjab

takla took the country to bankruptcy in 1999... the punjab qaum forgot all the looting they did. how they used people's money to set up mills. hpw the takla wanted to be a khalifa
how ran away from the country with his tail between his legs to Saudi arabia

the 3 other provinces rejected him. He is not a national leader

Circus ka sher hoga yeh takla.

shan
14th May 2013, 00:44
Billi-e-Punjab

takla took the country to bankruptcy in 1999... the punjab qaum forgot all the looting they did. how they used people's money to set up mills. hpw the takla wanted to be a khalifa
how ran away from the country with his tail between his legs to Saudi arabia

the 3 other provinces rejected him. He is not a national leader

Circus ka sher hoga yeh takla.

Sher-e-Punjab also spend money on development and its there for every one to see, and so does MQM in karachi. But PPP only know one thing!

UsmanhailsAfridi
14th May 2013, 00:44
Anyway there is no doubt Sher-e-Punjab won majority in Punjab, we only have problem with number of seats. PTI was robbed 10 seats in Punjab alone.

look at this mindset....no wonder we still have several who think butt / asif / amir were framed HAHAHAHA

what is the need for elections if end result is already known...might as well had made noora PM in 2013, next time we can skip the elections and make zardari PM in 2018, followed by noora again in 2023...no need to waste time and effort on holding elections

UsmanhailsAfridi
14th May 2013, 00:46
Sher-e-Punjab also spend money on development and its there for every one to see, and so does MQM in karachi. But PPP only know one thing!


IMF se paise maange ke development...i spit on such development....punjab won't be able to pay off the jangla bass for another century...while the buses will stop working within 5 years due to no maintenance

shan
14th May 2013, 00:51
Sorry guys but Sher-e-Punjab is many times better then PPP.

PakPrince
14th May 2013, 00:54
Sorry guys but Sher-e-Punjab is many times better then PPP.

at looting and being dumb

stupidest 'leader; ever

thats why i termed the punjab populace as weak and timid.

they just accpted whatevr was dealt to them

shan
14th May 2013, 00:55
at looting and being dumb

stupidest 'leader; ever

Still better because he does all those things many times less then PPP.

waqar goraya
14th May 2013, 00:56
none :junaid

Dawn News website were showing 17 ptI seats in KPK 2 in FATA,1 in Islamabad,8 in Punjab and 1 in Sindh..Perhaps they were counting NA-250 as PTI seat...

Imran_Sir
14th May 2013, 00:56
I watch ARY strictly for Luqman

waqar_ahmad
14th May 2013, 00:59
at looting and being dumb

stupidest 'leader; ever

thats why i termed the punjab populace as weak and timid.

they just accpted whatevr was dealt to them

There are protests going on in Punjab as well. Tone down the ethnic stuff please.

shan
14th May 2013, 01:00
<iframe frameborder="0" width="480" height="270" src="http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/xzub1h"></iframe><br /><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzub1h_kharra-sach-with-mubasher-lucman-13th-may-2012_news" target="_blank">Kharra Sach with Mubasher Lucman - 13th May 2012</a> <i>por <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/zemvideos" target="_blank">zemvideos</a></i>

Watch what Lahore protestors have to say from 13:30.

PakPrince
14th May 2013, 01:00
There are protests going on in Punjab as well. Tone down the ethnic stuff please.

its not ethnic.. sorry for that. its not meant that way

though i never see that when ppl here attack urdu speakers indirectly through mqm

shan
14th May 2013, 01:05
Tomorrow, there will be a presser where rigging evidence would be given to media!! Imran khan has also asked for recount on 25 NA seats.

Recount with help of Nadra so finger prints can be checked, otherwise it wont make difference.

waqar_ahmad
14th May 2013, 01:05
its not ethnic.. sorry for that. its not meant that way

though i never see that when ppl here attack urdu speakers indirectly through mqm

Yaar once again, no ethnic stuff in this thread. My friends in Lahore have been out on the streets protesting all day and night, and then the next day, non stop. Nobody went home.

But since you brought it up, people here hate MQM. Please dont take that as anything against urdu speaking people.

PTI is a national party. It is loved in all provinces. Trust me, people of punjab are not sitting idle either.

It is my humble request to not talk about this issue ethnically. Right now, there is no Lahore or Karachi. There is just Pakistan. People are out in all major cities at the moment. Support each other, dont disrespect each other.

It is just a request. Hope you understand

waqar goraya
14th May 2013, 01:06
your theories and allegations...if ASWJ are so dangerous why were they allowed to contest elections? on PMLN's behest?

Not my theory ...That candidate is an ASWJ leader.....and media reported these type of N league dealings from many areas.....

Lol, so you think ECP filtered all the corrupt, dishonest and criminal people??

They were allowed in the same way as they were released from jails because of lack of evidence......It is not difficult to remove evidence here in Pakistan ,is it?? ...By force or money evidence can be easily destroyed in pakistan

They were allowed to contest elections along with many defaulters, tax avoiders, money launderers and people who attacked supreme court and who were involved in Rental power cases.....people who attacked police stations, people who belong to land mafia like Anjum Aqeel Khan......all were allowed to contest elections..

UsmanhailsAfridi
14th May 2013, 01:11
Not my theory ...That candidate is an ASWJ leader.....and media reported these type of N league dealings from many areas.....

Lol, so you think ECP filtered all the corrupt, dishonest and criminal people??

They were allowed in the same way as they were released from jails as no one testified against them because of fear....

They were allowed to contest elections along with many defaulters, tax avoiders, money launderers and people who attacked supreme court and who were involved in Rental power cases.....people who attacked police stations, people who belong to land mafia like Anjum Aqeel Khan...


lets not forget ECP let the corrupt Sharif brothers to contest in the elections....lets not even get started on this

waqar goraya
14th May 2013, 01:13
lets not forget ECP let the corrupt Sharif brothers to contest in the elections....lets not even get started on this

I did mention money launderers and attackers involved in raiding Supreme Court....:)

UsmanhailsAfridi
14th May 2013, 01:18
I did mention money launderers and attackers involved in raiding Supreme Court....:)

sorry those were just "allegations"...LMAO

farazaidi
14th May 2013, 01:19
Sorry guys but Sher-e-Punjab is many times better then PPP.

Even MQM is better than current PPP (Zardari league). When Benazir was in charge, it was a different group thou she too was a corrupt politician.

Anyway, we dont need to discuss them when we have PTI :)

Pak_Jazba
14th May 2013, 01:23
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cricketworm
14th May 2013, 01:52
Kisi ki nazar na lage, but violence seem to have stopped post-election, as I expected. So far so good.

Mystrey
14th May 2013, 01:56
Kisi ki nazar na lage, but violence seem to have stopped post-election, as I expected. So far so good.

Had a very poor opinion of Indians on PP,still do as a lot of them troll but you and Gabbar are a credit and its very enjoyable reading both your honest and quality posts.

waqar goraya
14th May 2013, 02:05
Same old corrupt mafia..

Ishaq Dar as finance minister and Ch.Nisar as petroleum minister....unless Americans request some one else......

There is an impression that Americans always want a suitable individual for them while selecting Finance,Foreign and Interior minister...

cricketworm
14th May 2013, 02:10
Had a very poor opinion of Indians on PP,still do as a lot of them troll but you and Gabbar are a credit and its very enjoyable reading both your honest and quality posts.

Thanks!! It's because I have lived with Pakistanis for almost 2 years in univ. and played cricket for almost more than 9 years! So, I used to have life outside of internet trolling and classlessness before signing up on PP. :asif

shan
14th May 2013, 02:15
Even MQM is better than current PPP (Zardari league). When Benazir was in charge, it was a different group thou she too was a corrupt politician.

Anyway, we dont need to discuss them when we have PTI :)

Thats what i said, even MQM is better then PPP. Some people hate Nooras little to much and forget about ground realities.

waqar goraya
14th May 2013, 02:25
Even Musharraf was better than PPP..

Even Pervaiz Elahi was better than Yousuf Raza Gillani...

insaftak
14th May 2013, 02:27
600,000 votes in Lahore and 1 seat vs 1,100,000 votes for PMLN and 12 seats :facepalm: You might want to add voters that were stopped from voting and bogus votes here :facepalm:

Painful stuff!

shan
14th May 2013, 02:31
Even Musharraf was better than PPP..

Even Pervaiz Elahi was better than Yousuf Raza Gillani...

100% agreed.

insaaniyat
14th May 2013, 02:31
Sorry guys but Sher-e-Punjab is many times better then PPP.

What does that prove? In my opinion a thief is a thief. A thief and a murderer cannot be better than anyone. NS govt will be toppled within 2 years.

shan
14th May 2013, 02:32
What does that prove? In my opinion a thief is a thief. A thief and a murderer cannot be better than anyone. NS govt will be toppled within 2 years.

Yes he can be better then someone who is bigger thief and mudderer.

insaaniyat
14th May 2013, 02:34
Thanks!! It's because I have lived with Pakistanis for almost 2 years in univ. and played cricket for almost more than 9 years! So, I used to have life outside of internet trolling and classlessness before signing up on PP. :asif

You sure r a class act. Hats off to you sir:)

waqar goraya
14th May 2013, 02:35
I can not imagine Nawaz Sharif government surviving after couple of shocks.......It was only Zardari who kept ruling amid frequent challenges and shocks....

insaaniyat
14th May 2013, 02:40
Yes he can be better then someone who is bigger thief and mudderer.

Still a thief and a murder

Mystrey
14th May 2013, 02:51
Thanks!! It's because I have lived with Pakistanis for almost 2 years in univ. and played cricket for almost more than 9 years! So, I used to have life outside of internet trolling and classlessness before signing up on PP. :asif

I am sure it has been discussed before but how fair are the Indian elections and do you think anyone other than BJP or Congress will get a shoe in and are there others? Considering the population size do people accuse the politicians of rigging and is there rigging to this pathetic scale ie Lahore?

Painful for me to see N league do what they did.

cricketworm
14th May 2013, 03:23
I am sure it has been discussed before but how fair are the Indian elections and do you think anyone other than BJP or Congress will get a shoe in and are there others? Considering the population size do people accuse the politicians of rigging and is there rigging to this pathetic scale ie Lahore?

Painful for me to see N league do what they did.

I don't hear the cases of the rigging much but the real corruption is about changing parties from one to another. Also, parties influence people wrong way prior to election like they give them gifts and stuff. or They agree to pass their appeal for some land or constructions if they agree to pull the votes or provide them funds for their party promotions. Manipulating media is pretty common too.

Our provincial election is much more important than national as each province of India have developed their own strength and aiming towards their self-sustainability. Problem of one state may not be problem of another state.

Currently, congress is the rightful party to be leading country, regardless of even if there was a bit of rigging. They have been favorite for almost a decade now.

cricketworm
14th May 2013, 03:30
You sure r a class act. Hats off to you sir:)

Insaan agar Insaanitat nahi rakhega toh aur jayega kahan! Ek din sub koi us ke khilaf ho jayenge! :)

zimmz
14th May 2013, 03:41
600,000 votes in Lahore and 1 seat vs 1,100,000 votes for PMLN and 12 seats :facepalm: You might want to add voters that were stopped from voting and bogus votes here :facepalm:

Painful stuff!

Ratio of votes doesn't necessarly equates to ratio of seats.

Imagine on 10 seats, all the winners belong to PMLN and recieved 10 votes each. The runnersup from PTI received 9 votes each. All seats go to PMLN and the vote ratio will be 100 to 90 in favor of PMLN. If you just look at ratio then PTI should win 9 seats, right? Hope you see the flaw there.

What PTI should check is the turnout on each polling station, sum it up for Lahore and then compare the data with previous elections. Also questions needs to be raised about overnight change of results where PTI candidates were clearly leading with big margins. Recounting and verification of votes (thumb impresison, and ID car dnumber) should be demanded. If there are votes thrown out of ballot box then evidence should be collected. Only then there is a chance to kick the back side of noon and ECP.

chacha kashmiri
14th May 2013, 03:50
the eu have legitimised the results going by their limited presence in a limited number of booths, the videos and booth fallacies which have come out in the last couple of days have completely pourned scorn on their report

it seems everyone is happy with the results but that doesn't make them fair

hamzie
14th May 2013, 03:59
ECP are still looking into rigging
lets hope sense prevails

Mystrey
14th May 2013, 04:00
I don't hear the cases of the rigging much but the real corruption is about changing parties from one to another. Also, parties influence people wrong way prior to election like they give them gifts and stuff. or They agree to pass their appeal for some land or constructions if they agree to pull the votes or provide them funds for their party promotions. Manipulating media is pretty common too.

Our provincial election is much more important than national as each province of India have developed their own strength and aiming towards their self-sustainability. Problem of one state may not be problem of another state.

Currently, congress is the rightful party to be leading country, regardless of even if there was a bit of rigging. They have been favorite for almost a decade now.

Shame we don't see that in Pakistan, the bold bit. All we do is leach Balochistan, ignore our people in Karachi, leave KP to Taliban **** and then you have the Ganja milking money from Punjab.

I fear next election too. We will see PPP rig like Nooras and the cycle will continue!

AZulfi
14th May 2013, 05:00
It seems that all parties have their own grievances

Listen to what the international observers have to say

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AZulfi
14th May 2013, 05:27
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AikAlif
14th May 2013, 06:28
Free and Fair Election Network Releases List of Polling Stations with Over 100% Turnout:

http://www.fafen.org/site/v6/press-releases/fafen_releases_list_of_polling_stations_with_over_ 100._turnout_2013_05_13_1279

I know I know, who am I?! Overseas Pakistani, been glued to election coverage for months. Keep the great videos coming :waqar

LethalSami
14th May 2013, 06:53
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/601923_582129385154146_993849212_n.jpg

UsmanhailsAfridi
14th May 2013, 06:54
Free and Fair Election Network Releases List of Polling Stations with Over 100% Turnout:

http://www.fafen.org/site/v6/press-releases/fafen_releases_list_of_polling_stations_with_over_ 100._turnout_2013_05_13_1279

I know I know, who am I?! Overseas Pakistani, been glued to election coverage for months. Keep the great videos coming :waqar

Basically rigging took place at my piling stations they just messed up on a few of these lol

Anfield
14th May 2013, 07:09
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/601923_582129385154146_993849212_n.jpg

how would villagers vote? They will get scared by the name of electronic voting. They won't even bother turning up.

LethalSami
14th May 2013, 07:12
how would villagers vote? They will get scared by the name of electronic voting. They won't even bother turning up.

IF someone is that dumb, frankly, they don't even deserve to vote :moyo

so, it also serves as a simple IQ test!

Anfield
14th May 2013, 07:16
IF someone is that dumb, frankly, they don't even deserve to vote :moyo

so, it also serves as a simple IQ test!

@bolded How do you think N came to power?:P
It's not about being dumb though it's about being uneducated. Remember Pakistan is a third world country.

Looney
14th May 2013, 07:35
how would villagers vote? They will get scared by the name of electronic voting. They won't even bother turning up.

If people did not get scared by internet ( 27th on the list of most internet users in the world ) and cellphones (7th on the list ) in Pakistan , what makes electronic voting so much more complicated ?

asifp
14th May 2013, 07:46
In all this the true don of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari is just chilling like he always does.

Brilliant!

UsmanhailsAfridi
14th May 2013, 07:50
In all this the true don of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari is just chilling like he always does.

Brilliant!

Does he ever come out and say anything. Seriously we will be voting for him in 5 years time as a nation just watch

AikAlif
14th May 2013, 08:13
IF someone is that dumb, frankly, they don't even deserve to vote :moyo

so, it also serves as a simple IQ test!

So like a covert literacy test? No thank you. Naya Pakistan deserves to stand on a basic recognition of human rights principles. The awam just wants truly 'free and fair' elections and for their voices to be heard. The educated segments shouldn't be imposing their will on anyone just because rural populations aren't as 'enlightened' as they are. One Pakistani, one vote, and let the people's voices be heard.

Tanzim, ittehaad, imaan. :amir

PakPrince
14th May 2013, 12:05
In all this the true don of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari is just chilling like he always does.

Brilliant!

he has shown himself to be the boss

and I can bet money on the fact that he will be re elected as President

he is the master of wheeling and dealing

LethalSami
14th May 2013, 12:52
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=544453118930426

despite the horrendous audio+video quality, gotta watch this video
i have no doubt that despite the results in these election.....Imran gave all he had...and that's why we all love and admire him

Mian Hassan
14th May 2013, 14:32
Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz (PML-N), may play a masterstroke by offering chairmanship of Public Accounts Committee (PAC) to Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaaf (PTI). The party is also considering the name of Mahmood Khan Achakzai for the position of Speaker National Assembly, a PML-N official said, adding that the party wanted someone from an under-represented province to take the speaker’s position.

http://dawn.com/2013/05/14/will-imran-khan-head-parliaments-anti-corruption-watchdog/

wasim-fan
14th May 2013, 14:51
http://tribune.com.pk/story/547512/reports-of-rigging-in-favour-of-pti-from-karachi-na-242/

0tt0man
14th May 2013, 15:07
Pakistan Muslim League Ė Nawaz (PML-N), may play a masterstroke by offering chairmanship of Public Accounts Committee (PAC) to Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaaf (PTI). The party is also considering the name of Mahmood Khan Achakzai for the position of Speaker National Assembly, a PML-N official said, adding that the party wanted someone from an under-represented province to take the speakerís position.

http://dawn.com/2013/05/14/will-imran-khan-head-parliaments-anti-corruption-watchdog/
That would be a good gesture. Hoping sanity prevails and the democratic process moves ahead smoothly. Martial Law is the last thing we need.

I hope ECP takes the right action with regards to rigging reports specially from Karachi and Punjab.

0tt0man
14th May 2013, 15:29
When is Zardari calling the NA session? :zardari I believe the provinces will follow suit after him.

Any idea about the potential CM candidates? Shahbaz Sharif is for Punjab, Pervaiz Khattak for KPK but what about Sindh and Balochistan?

Badsha
14th May 2013, 15:48
When is Zardari calling the NA session? :zardari I believe the provinces will follow suit after him.

Any idea about the potential CM candidates? Shahbaz Sharif is for Punjab, Pervaiz Khattak for KPK but what about Sindh and Balochistan?

I have a feeling he wants to go for Wapda this time

Friend786
14th May 2013, 15:55
will nawaz be able to rescue our economy and control inflation? honest answers please.

waqar goraya
14th May 2013, 16:03
Shahbaz Sharif will be CM Punjab definitely..

Badsha
14th May 2013, 16:06
will nawaz be able to rescue our economy and control inflation? honest answers please.

Honest answer?

Yes. It is possible.

Badsha
14th May 2013, 16:08
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>(Breaking News) Re-polling to occur at 43 polling stations in NA-250 <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Karachi">#Karachi</a> on 19th May <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23GeoElections">#GeoElections</a></p>&mdash; Geo English (@geonews_english) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_english/status/334255264171692034">May 14, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Markhor
14th May 2013, 16:17
will nawaz be able to rescue our economy and control inflation? honest answers please.

No unless the government is prepared to take politically difficult decisions. Because of the IMF loan, we need substantial tax reforms as our tax base needs broadening and we need more people actually paying tax.

More action must be taken with regards to the public deficit, and again it means taking unpopular decisions that are not politically palatable.

Also of course, there is corruption that has costed the treasury billions. However if its true that PTI will head the Public Accounts Committee - that would be tremendous as it would mean serious action on corruption. The establishment no doubt will try to obfuscate and obstruct as much as possible but PTI will win serious support if it uses the full force of the law against corruption.

Will PML-N government take the necessary economic decisions though ? Doubtful.

Markhor
14th May 2013, 16:24
http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=100803


LAHORE: Chairman Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), Imran Khan Monday demanded recounting of votes on 25 seats of National Assembly in the Punjab, Geo News reported.

“Whatever result comes after the recounting will be acceptable to us,” Imran Khan said in a statement issued here.

The PTI Chief said ‘being a sportsman, he would accept any outcome’.

Imran Khan said his party leadership would conduct a press conference in connection with the alleged rigging during the May 11 general elections.

The list of the 25 constituencies where the party is demanding a recount has yet not been shared.

Friend786
14th May 2013, 16:54
http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=100803

don't think it is possible.

Friend786
14th May 2013, 17:08
PTI nominates Asad Qaiser as Khyber Pakhtunkhwa chief minister.

waqar goraya
14th May 2013, 17:22
I doubt Nawaz Sharif can increase Tax collections.

Meanwhile according to a report expatriates have remitted 11.5 billion dollars during previous 10 months...

And our state reserves combined state bank and commercial banks are 11.5 billions too....

So, basically our country is running because of these remittances !!

Markhor
14th May 2013, 17:22
Nawaz seems to have turned into a Clinton.


Mr Sharif understands that is one of the main reasons people voted for him. At his victory party, he was asked to outline his priorities. "The economy, the economy, the economy," he said.

He should have just went ahead and said 'Its the economy stupid' :))

Anyway, 137 is needed for a majority - as 272 is the number of seats that have been directly elected. The remaining is 70 is for women and minorities - which makes up the 342 that sit in the National Assembly, but since PML-N are heading for an outright majority - they essentially get first dibs on the reserved seats, so they will be allocated the seats for minorities and women.

It looks like they'll make an alliance with the independents which will be more than enough, and MQM won't be in coalition at the centre which is rather humorous, no wonder Altaf needs bed rest.

PPP have had a catastrophic election, albeit they've hung on to some seats in Sindh. Zardari is no doubt a big loser of the election. He was able to hold sway for five years because the PPP majority in the National Assembly enabled him to hand-pick the prime minister and other members of the government and dictate policy. He has now lost that ability. His chances of re-election as president next September now look very dim. He will no doubt remain politically active but as a vastly downsized figure.

Official results still coming in. PTI and PPP vying for second place.

Markhor
14th May 2013, 17:25
Regarding the economy, here's a decent article outlining the deep economic problems the government inherits:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=177297&Cat=9


The people of Pakistan have made known their will through the ballot on May 11, 2013. The PML-N has emerged as the clear winner and will be able to form a stable government at the centre with support from independents and smaller parties. This is good for the economy, as a stable government is likely to succeed in stabilising the economy.

What are the immediate economic challenges that the PML-N government will be facing after taking charge of the state? Whether we like it or not, the economic prosperity of Pakistan is very much linked to peace and stability in Karachi. The economic condition of the country has reached a point where it cannot afford instability and violence in the major growth pole of the country. How to address the situation politically will be one of the biggest challenges of the PML-N government.

How to prevent Pakistan from defaulting on its external debt payment obligations in a couple of months will be another challenge for the new government. Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves have depleted at a dangerous pace in less than two years. In July 2011, the SBP’s foreign exchange reserves stood at $14.8 billion and by May 3, 2013, had declined to $6.8 billion. In other words, the country has lost $8.0 billion in reserves in less than two years. If we exclude the forward buying of the SBP ($2.6 billion) to prop up the rupee, the foreign exchange reserves, as of today, stand at around $4.2 billion. By end-June 2013, Pakistan will have to pay another $264 million to the IMF alone, which will reduce its reserves close to $4.0 billion.

Whether we like it or not, Pakistan has no option but to seek IMF assistance to prevent defaulting on its commitments. In all probability, Senator Ishaq Dar will head the finance ministry and will be leading the Pakistani side in negotiation with the IMF. He is fully aware of the challenges and will be able to negotiate an IMF programme effectively.

The third immediate challenge for the PML-N government would be to prepare a budget for the fiscal year 2013-14. Three important institutions, namely, the Ministry of Finance, the SBP and the Planning Commission have been severely weakened in the last five years. The new finance minister will have to assemble a good team, which will help him in preparing next year’s budget. Furthermore, the IMF programme will give a clear idea of external flows to finance fiscal deficit.

The fourth challenge for the new government would be to prepare a home-grown, broad-based economic reform agenda as soon as possible. This would help the new government to negotiate effectively with the IMF for a new programme. The international financial institutions, as well as friendly countries, would like to see fiscal reforms that include both tax system and tax administration reforms to mobilise additional resources on the one hand and expenditure reform on the other.

The restructuring and privatisation of bleeding PSEs and energy sector reforms are other components of the reform agenda. There are two ways to handle the PSEs: firstly the new government must restructure the organisation, inject more money, bring in successful corporate managers, appoint credible persons on the board of directors to run these institutions without any political interference and then privatise them in the next three to four years in a transparent manner. Second, it must privatise them outright and offload them from the budget. Privatisation of these institutions is high on the PML-N economic agenda, which is good and reassuring for all of us.

The energy sector reform is complex and multi-dimensional. It is clear that there are no capacity constraints in generating electricity in the country. The power sector crisis is more of a governance issue rather than the issue of a demand-supply gap. By improving governance and fixing the pricing of electricity, the power sector crisis can be minimised in the short-to-medium term. A targeted subsidy for power sector consumers can be launched while a general subsidy programme can be faded out gradually in a span of two to three years.

The new government may consider merging the Ministry of Water and Power and the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Resources and establishing instead a ministry of energy. This will help the government to deal effectively with power sector reforms. The free electricity given to the employees of Wapda must be withdrawn forthwith. The new government may consider privatising the Discos in its tenure. Preference must be given to the use of gas for power generation rather than for transport purpose. Gas must be supplied only to the efficient power plants to produce more electricity with the same level of fuel.

Managing fiscal decentralisation will form the other critical reform agenda of the new government. There is a built-in ‘manufacturing defect’ in the new NFC Award and without addressing it, there will be no meaningful fiscal policy in the country. In the event of a new IMF programme, the federal government will not be able to achieve the agreed fiscal deficit target in the preference of the new NFC Award. There are many ways to address ‘manufacturing defects’. What is required is the will to address them.

The economic reform agenda must also include reforms in the central bank, investment climate and promoting inclusive and sustainable growth. Close interaction with the private sector – both domestic and foreign – will be vital in building the confidence of the market and its participants. A new beginning has been made. The PML-N has a relatively better and experienced team and is most likely to succeed in stabilising the economy. The people of Pakistan have given a mandate to the PML-N not just to head the country but also to steer the economy out of the mire and morass of economic attenuation.

With PML-N given such a strong mandate there is simply no excuses in terms of getting the reforms passed in parliament.

Markhor
14th May 2013, 17:34
Inside Nawaz Sharif's residence:

Orla Guerin was one of the journalists invited for a look at his private residence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22518940

hamzie
14th May 2013, 17:41
I may just get over the rigging and gain minute respect for PMN-L if this happens

http://dawn.com/2013/05/14/will-imran-khan-head-parliaments-anti-corruption-watchdog/

AZ
14th May 2013, 17:57
Asad Umar said he might run in the bye-elections...I would rather see him head this committee.

Friend786
14th May 2013, 18:35
NA-250 re-polling for 43 stations on May 19: ECP

AZ
14th May 2013, 18:54
Mansoor Ali Khan ‏@MansoorGeoNews 2m

Returning Officer rejects Hamid Khan's application on rigging in NA-125 #PTI #PMLN

let's hope they stop the drama in Lahore now.

Mian Hassan
14th May 2013, 19:04
let's hope they stop the drama in Lahore now.

Don't worry they won't stop the Dharna you mean :yk

AZ
14th May 2013, 19:05
BTW how do you guys post the tweet in its entire format here?

waqar goraya
14th May 2013, 19:07
let's hope they stop the drama in Lahore now.

So, you expect a decision against N league from a worthless returning officer in Lahore??

Even if the matter is 80 percent against N league, no district level judge can rule it against them....

UsmanhailsAfridi
14th May 2013, 19:17
let's hope they stop the drama in Lahore now.

come on AZ...be civil man...this is a joke...there was clear rigging...what are they scared of?

Badsha
14th May 2013, 19:27
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Mian Nawaz Sharif may visit Shaukat Khanam Hospital soon/today to meet Imran Khan!</p>&mdash; Dr Shahid Masood (@Shahidmasooddr) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shahidmasooddr/status/334303656084115456">May 14, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Down2Earth
14th May 2013, 19:31
The moment imran said he'll drop the drone if it entered pakistani airspace was the moment he lost the election. Puppet has been elected

Markhor
14th May 2013, 19:41
ECP announces fresh party positions in provincial assemblies

As it stands:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-10...ial-assemblies


ISLAMABAD: Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has announced fresh party positions in all four provincial assemblies on Tuesday, Geo news reported.

In Punjab province‚ Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) has grabbed 212 seats‚ Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid e Azam (PML-Q) 2‚ Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf (PTI) 18‚ Pakistan Peoples Party Parliamentarians (PPPP) 6 and independents 39.

In Sindh assembly‚ PPPP is leading with 62 seats followed by Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) 37‚ Pakistan Muslim League-Functional (PML-F) 6‚ PML-N 4 and PTI one and independents have secured 6 seats.

In Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa‚ Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf secured 35 seats‚ Jamiat Ulema e Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) 13‚ PML-N 12‚ Jamat-e-Islami (JI) 7‚ Qaumi Watan Party (QWP) 7 and independents 14.

In Balochistan assembly‚ Pakhtunkhwa Awami Milli Party secured 9 seats‚ PML-N 8‚ National Party 6‚ JUI-F 6‚ Jamat-i-Islami 3‚ BNP 2‚ Jamote Qaumi Movement 2‚ PML-Q‚ Awami National Party‚ Majlis-e-Wahdat-e-Muslimeen Pakistan one each whereas independents have secured 8 seats.

Badsha
14th May 2013, 19:45
The moment imran said he'll drop the drone if it entered pakistani airspace was the moment he lost the election. Puppet has been elected

hmmm

Badsha
14th May 2013, 19:46
How many seats do you need to form government in Kpk?

AZ
14th May 2013, 19:47
come on AZ...be civil man...this is a joke...there was clear rigging...what are they scared of?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/972060_10151462154607462_1526869874_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600815_10151462154612462_1510883153_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/13202_10151462154617462_2088761267_n.jpg


the gentleman in the photo is - https://www.facebook.com/HafizFarhatAbbasOfficial

what was he doing there then?

hamzie
14th May 2013, 20:05
what was he doing there then?


So if you take that as rigging, re-poll.

saeedhk
14th May 2013, 20:14
I may just get over the rigging and gain minute respect for PMN-L if this happens

http://dawn.com/2013/05/14/will-imran-khan-head-parliaments-anti-corruption-watchdog/

Good if true.

AZ
14th May 2013, 20:15
So if you take that as rigging, re-poll.

I don't take it as rigging because it never was, you cannot rig a margin of 40 THOUSAND votes.

hamzie
14th May 2013, 20:18
I don't take it as rigging because it never was, you cannot rig a margin of 40 THOUSAND votes.

so you think all the videos released of votes being torn, people being forced to vote a certain party - are fake?

AZ
14th May 2013, 20:22
so you think all the videos released of votes being torn, people being forced to vote a certain party - are fake?

no the evidence in other areas is very damning and there needs to be re-polling, and that order has already been given.

there is no such evidence for NA-125.

Garuda
14th May 2013, 20:32
Why do I see so many people inside the polling booth in many of these videos ?

There can't be so many POs for one booth ? And obviously so many voters can't be voting at the same time.

Also, almost no sign of police.

from_da_lost_dim3nsion
14th May 2013, 20:53
The moment imran said he'll drop the drone if it entered pakistani airspace was the moment he lost the election. Puppet has been elected

That jirga guy brought this point up on ARY special transmission . Made me think for a sec.

shan
14th May 2013, 20:59
That jirga guy brought this point up on ARY special transmission . Made me think for a sec.

Only 2 out of 12 FATA seats went to PTI, it seem they themselfs didnt want Drones to stop.

Asim2Good
14th May 2013, 21:04
Nawaz Sharif just visited IK at SKMH, talking to media at moment and looks in happy mood

Asim2Good
14th May 2013, 21:06
Nawaz Sharif says "when IK recover then we ll play a friendly match"

UsmanhailsAfridi
14th May 2013, 21:06
Why do I see so many people inside the polling booth in many of these videos ?

There can't be so many POs for one booth ? And obviously so many voters can't be voting at the same time.

Also, almost no sign of police.


welcome to pakistan man...there is no discipline...no one knows how to form a line...its a circus + a zoo

i dont know how you can have anything fair with that many people inside the polling stations

Markhor
14th May 2013, 21:08
The PM joins in:

http://dawn.com/2013/05/13/british-pm-praises-pakistan-sharifs-for-economic-aims/


LONDON: British Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday congratulated Pakistan’s incoming premier Nawaz Sharif on his resounding election victory and praised his commitment to economic reforms.

Cameron broke off from a trip to Washington to speak to Sharif on the telephone and they agreed to work to reinforce the “strong bond” between their two countries, according to the British prime minister’s office.

They also pledged their commitment to the trilateral process, the three-way talks between Britain, Pakistan and Afghanistan aimed at finding peace in Afghanistan, where Britain is starting to reduce its 9,000-strong troop presence.

“The Prime Minister and Nawaz Sharif agreed that the strong bond between the UK and Pakistan was a huge asset and that they would work together to strengthen the relationship further,” a Downing Street spokeswoman said.

“The Prime Minister welcomed Nawaz Sharif’s commitment to prioritise economic reforms.”

“The two leaders also agreed on their shared commitment to the trilateral process and its importance in achieving peace in Afghanistan and the wider region.”

Sharif, who returned to office 14 years after he was ousted in a military coup, campaigned on a pro-business agenda and stocks in Karachi hit an all-time high on Monday on hopes he can revive Pakistan’s shattered economy.

He has appointed veteran finance minister Ishaq Dar, who served in the role in Sharif’s second administration and again briefly in 2008.

UsmanhailsAfridi
14th May 2013, 21:12
no the evidence in other areas is very damning and there needs to be re-polling, and that order has already been given.

there is no such evidence for NA-125.

you are delusional...Saad rafique was inside the polling station...surely there is no evidence

see if you can't even admit do you expect your party cronies to admit anything...Pakistan mein sab chalta hai...and when folks like you don't have the decency to speak against injustice then why would the situation in our country change...

would the overall result change by this, NO? but if we don't put these criminals in jail then this will happen next time and the time after...so why sing songs of democracy because this isn't democracy...unless you rather have things corrupt this way as you have some hidden agenda...i can only hope and pray that is not the case

Markhor
14th May 2013, 21:13
Official results coming through from the ECP:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-100935-ECP-announces-results-of-254-National-Assembly-seats


ISLAMABAD: Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has announced results of 254 National Assembly seats with Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leading with 123 seats followed by Pakistan Peoples Party Parliamentarian (PPPP) with 31 seats.

Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf (PTI) has secured 26‚ Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) 18‚ Jamiat Ulema e Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) 10‚ Pakistan Muslim League-Functional (PML-F) 4‚ Jamat e Islami (JI) 3‚ Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid e Azam (PML-Q) 2 whereas Awami Muslim League (AML)‚ Balochistan National Party (BNP)‚ All Pakistan Muslim League (APML)‚ Awami Jamhuri Ittehad Pakistan (AJIP) and PML-Zia one each and independents 25 seats.

In the Federal Capital‚ PML-N and PTI have grabbed one seat each. Results on 14 seats of National Assembly are still awaited.

AZ
14th May 2013, 21:29
you are delusional...Saad rafique was inside the polling station...surely there is no evidence

see if you can't even admit do you expect your party cronies to admit anything...Pakistan mein sab chalta hai...and when folks like you don't have the decency to speak against injustice then why would the situation in our country change...

would the overall result change by this, NO? but if we don't put these criminals in jail then this will happen next time and the time after...so why sing songs of democracy because this isn't democracy...unless you rather have things corrupt this way as you have some hidden agenda...i can only hope and pray that is not the case

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Bilbo
14th May 2013, 21:37
33045

Now what?

Friend786
14th May 2013, 21:46
no the evidence in other areas is very damning and there needs to be re-polling, and that order has already been given.

there is no such evidence for NA-125.

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p480x480/945214_10151465237966647_1909004878_n.jpg

who is this guy? i can't seem to remember.

Friend786
14th May 2013, 21:47
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/184494_509026945812547_112252377_n.jpg

and this?

Bilbo
14th May 2013, 21:47
no the evidence in other areas is very damning and there needs to be re-polling, and that order has already been given.

there is no such evidence for NA-125.

Election commission has admitted rigging in 50 constituencies

zimmz
14th May 2013, 21:48
no the evidence in other areas is very damning and there needs to be re-polling, and that order has already been given.

there is no such evidence for NA-125.

Even with all those evidences the margin at some seats was big so according to you if margin is big then there is no chance of rigging (no matter if candidate is controlling every thing inside poling station).

pakistanalltheway
14th May 2013, 21:50
The elections were a joke just look at the YouTube video .

Friend786
14th May 2013, 21:58
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Friend786
14th May 2013, 22:06
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AZ
14th May 2013, 22:20
Election commission has admitted rigging in 50 constituencies

do you have an article link or YT video of this news?

have checked their Twitter feed there is nothing there, this could well be photoshopping.


Even with all those evidences the margin at some seats was big so according to you if margin is big then there is no chance of rigging (no matter if candidate is controlling every thing inside poling station).

no please read carefully, I said you cannot rig such a massive victory.

Runner Up
14th May 2013, 22:22
Is it fake?

HamzaSaeen
14th May 2013, 22:35
Is it fake?

with the resolution and the pixels in the picture I would say yes.

Pak_Jazba
14th May 2013, 22:40
Unofficial - Jahangeer Tareen wins NA154 after recounting.

Friend786
14th May 2013, 22:51
Unofficial - Jahangeer Tareen wins NA154 after recounting.

still unofficial? when are we getting official results?

zimmz
14th May 2013, 22:57
do you have an article link or YT video of this news?

have checked their Twitter feed there is nothing there, this could well be photoshopping.

no please read carefully, I said you cannot rig such a massive victory.

Why not? How could MQM do it in Karachi?

Also if a candidate is involved in 'small' rigging and he/she wins without the help of that small rigging. Do you think he/she should be disqualified?

waqar goraya
15th May 2013, 00:48
Unofficial - Jahangeer Tareen wins NA154 after recounting.

Source??

HamzaSaeen
15th May 2013, 00:56
Source??

I think geo broke the news.

waqar goraya
15th May 2013, 01:01
I never expected Jahangir Tareen to loose from an independent with such a margin as well..

Anyways, lets wait for the official words

Khaleefa
15th May 2013, 02:49
I heard there is going to be re-polling in NA-250? Looks like PTI supports finally got their voices heard.
I hope PTI candidate wins and a wave of protests spreads out to entire Punjab for re-election on all rigged polling stations. That will be awesome.

waqar_ahmad
15th May 2013, 02:54
^I think PTI voters have been disheartened by the results. They wont come out in big numbers to vote again. MQM may very well take NA 250

AZ
15th May 2013, 04:28
Why not? How could MQM do it in Karachi?

Also if a candidate is involved in 'small' rigging and he/she wins without the help of that small rigging. Do you think he/she should be disqualified?

because you will be caught, as MQM/whoever have been several times in Karachi and Hyderabad in this election.

yes they should be DQ'ed if you have proof of it.





people may want to watch this program, Saad Rafique putting some pertinent questions for which Hamid Khan had no answer and changed the topic:

<iframe frameborder="0" width="480" height="270" src="http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/xzvckf"></iframe><br /><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzvckf_dunya-8-with-malick-14th-may-2013_news" target="_blank">Dunya @ 8 with Malick &ndash; 14th May 2013</a> <i>by <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/zemvideos" target="_blank">zemvideos</a></i>

farazaidi
15th May 2013, 04:50
^I think PTI voters have been disheartened by the results. They wont come out in big numbers to vote again. MQM may very well take NA 250

are u kidding me? the passion is more than ever ! I was at the Shahra-e-faisal protest yesterday, JI, MWM and Independent candidates of 250 were also there. They are mobilizing the protests extremely efficiently in Karachi !

I guess JI would not be contesting that seat anymore so its gonna be Arif Alvi vs Khushbakht Shujaat :)

waqar_ahmad
15th May 2013, 05:15
^ Just watch. PTI leadership is not joining these protests. If that remains the case, forget about PTI winning this.

zimmz
15th May 2013, 06:31
Waqar, there must be wisdom behind IK adn top leadership taking back seat for now.
The rigging was there for sure, was systematic and executed at grand level. Any sane person can conclude that by analysing the election preperation of parties, jalsas, turnout in election, results maths and the stake holders in Pakistan. One can just see the outcome in Lahore. Shafqat Mehmood the guy who is known to be not famous at all in his seat, got 90k+ votes while more popular leaders losts (IK etc) ? There is specfic reason behind his victory but then it gave away the secret behind overalll systematic rigging.

Having said that, apart from few seats, no major evidences could be collected (or may i say no one was allowed to collect evidence). In this case IK and co have weak leg to stand on without any chance to get significant seats back. The master planners of grand plot and media will make IK and co fools in public eyes by hook or crook. Therefore it's good that people themselve are on roads and putting pressure on ECP which would result in at best 2-3 seats and the rest of the election will be declared 'successful' and 'clean'. It's also a good sign that people in Pakistan have started taking the rigging seriously.

waqar_ahmad
15th May 2013, 07:02
^ Zimmz

Your first paragraph says everything. There was massive rigging throughout punjab and Karachi, and I'm sure at other places too. You cant expect to have evidence at every polling station. People are out in many major cities, and they believe the elections were rigged.

If Imran is to act ONLY on evidence, then he can forget about changing this country. He made people realize that he is the only hope, and these political corporations are thugs and crooks. That's why people are out, protesting, carrying PTI flags. And Imran must lead this crowd and channel their energy properly.

I know many voters who have hated politics all their lived. Yet, they went to Pakistan JUST to vote for Imran. And now those very people are telling me that they will never vote again, coz status quo will always defeat their will and their votes.

You are looking at it in a legal perspective. This not only a matter of Pakistan's future. This is also about PTI's future, coz these very people will not come out and vote for PTI in the future, no matter how well KP is governed.

LethalSami
15th May 2013, 09:14
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/968961_10151395758447021_1979135404_n.jpg

PakPrince
15th May 2013, 09:27
The status quo succeeded.

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Badsha
15th May 2013, 11:30
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hamzie
15th May 2013, 14:58
http://beta.dawn.com/news/1011407/fafen-regrets-inaccuracies-in-turnout-claim
someone got to fafen

zimmz
15th May 2013, 16:01
@Waqar

Easy for us to say all this but imagine a man on bed in hospital, whose docs must be telling him to keep away from politics for couple of weeks to get heal. Yet There is a pressure on him from supporters, party members and above all the grand pressure of establishment (army, other forces) to keep it cool. He has to fight on many fronts and none of us really know what is going on behind the scene. Until now there are soft attempts by PTI to pressurize ECP for few seats. ECP is agreeing to do reelection on one seat in Karachi and recount/verify in punjab.

So let's wait and see if the blatant rigging on many seats can be reversed. It's too much to expect a large scale tusnami when even Army is not supporting Imran and I bet not much people will come out except those who are already protesting.

Read the columns of Shaheen Sebai and Harun Rasheed to get an idea about the 'grand plot' behind this rigging.

zimmz
15th May 2013, 16:02
^ In short as long as America is not out of Afghanistan, all the 'grand powers' including saudi, and or own army won't allow Imran to have gov in center.

AFG_Brit
15th May 2013, 17:03
For PPP supporters :-)

33054

hamzie
15th May 2013, 17:20
Dr Arif alvi

Clarity of PTI on the NA-250 polling stance

PTI is demanding that there has been blatant rigging throughout Karachi, we are demanding a repolling in each and every constituency. We are not saying we will win them but we are saying we will not allow rigging and we must bring a stop to this nonsense and stop the stealing of the vote. If we do not do it now it will continue forever and ever.

As regards participating in the 45 polling stations repolling be clear that PTI will participate in them not because it thinks it can win, because we believe that we will take part any poll held anywhere in Karachi to show to one and all what is the actual size of our vote bank.

We believe that the people of Karachi have realized that if they want peace, tranquility, bhata khoori, and political mafia geri than they have only one choice change those who have been indulging in it.

Firdous Naqvi

thecricket
15th May 2013, 17:39
Lol
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/392366_582582345114950_1520027235_n.jpg

hamzie
15th May 2013, 17:39
IK latest video msg playing now

Sakss
15th May 2013, 17:54
IK latest video msg playing now

what is he saying??

hamzie
15th May 2013, 17:58
he said nawaz came to see him
said his govt will work with him together on some things which need to change (my urdu isnt the best so if thats wrong let me know)
said all of pakistan wants to move forward.. but there is a problem.. problem of rigging
says its crucial to fix it now otherwise who is to say it wont happen again
says rigging complaints always made after election and time for something to be done
wants re-counting on 4 constituency but use thumb prints to verify vote
says whats the point of using thumb prints in eleciton if you wont use it
said ecp has 3 days after which we will call for protests
and that KPK will be a model govt

youboy
15th May 2013, 17:58
33056

Mian Hassan
15th May 2013, 18:02
Which 3 places does he want re counting?...

youboy
15th May 2013, 18:07
Suspects involved in rigging arrested

Karachi: Seven men allegedly involved in rigging of polling stations in the Karachiís DHA area have been arrested, says Judicial Magistrate (South) Waqar Ahmed Soomro.

According to Sub-Inspector Rasheed at Darakhshan police station the seven men were caught on May 11 after numerous complaints were received against alleged rigging at polling stations setup at DHA College for Women, Phase VIII and Clifton Grammar School in Boat Basin area.

The arrested men were allegedly affiliated to a political party and were booked under Sections 147, 148, 149 and 186 of the Pakistan Penal Code and Section 13-D of the Pakistan Arms Ordinance, 1965.

The Election Commission of Pakistan had postponed polling on May 11 in 43 polling stations of NA-250, PS-112 and PS-113 constituencies, due to widespread complaints of alleged rigging and irregularities.

The postponed elections were re-scheduled for May 19.

http://www.saach.tv/2013/05/15/suspects-involved-in-rigging-arrested/

Friend786
15th May 2013, 18:22
Pakistan should take serious notice of Altaf's remarks: UK HC

http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=101048

Mian Hassan
15th May 2013, 18:37
As Expected

Imran Khan will leave Mianwali and Peshawar seats 15th May 2013

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Mian Hassan
15th May 2013, 18:38
Imran Khan knows... Hanif Abbasi will try to win it back...by Dandlee.. so its better to keep that one

Mian Hassan
15th May 2013, 18:39
Javed Hashmi is also leaving his NA48 and they reckon they will put Asad Umar up...to fight for that one

karachiite
15th May 2013, 18:58
Suspects involved in rigging arrested

Karachi: Seven men allegedly involved in rigging of polling stations in the Karachiís DHA area have been arrested, says Judicial Magistrate (South) Waqar Ahmed Soomro.

According to Sub-Inspector Rasheed at Darakhshan police station the seven men were caught on May 11 after numerous complaints were received against alleged rigging at polling stations setup at DHA College for Women, Phase VIII and Clifton Grammar School in Boat Basin area.

The arrested men were allegedly affiliated to a political party and were booked under Sections 147, 148, 149 and 186 of the Pakistan Penal Code and Section 13-D of the Pakistan Arms Ordinance, 1965.

The Election Commission of Pakistan had postponed polling on May 11 in 43 polling stations of NA-250, PS-112 and PS-113 constituencies, due to widespread complaints of alleged rigging and irregularities.

The postponed elections were re-scheduled for May 19.

http://www.saach.tv/2013/05/15/suspects-involved-in-rigging-arrested/

The party they belong to needs to be named and punished!

Imr4n_Khan
15th May 2013, 19:01
Please sign this peition against Altaf Hussain.


http://www.change.org/petitions/house-of-commons-uk-arrest-altaf-hussain-for-spreading-terror-in-karachi-2#share

Markhor
15th May 2013, 20:20
http://dawn.com/2013/05/15/pti-wins-top-slot-in-kp/


PESHAWAR: Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf (PTI) , Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) and Qaumi Watan Party (QWP) finalised on Wednesday a formula over the formation of government in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, according to which JI and QWP would get three ministries each whereas, the PTI would hold the chief minister and speaker positions in the province.

The Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) also announced that it would sit in the opposition benches of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’s provincial assembly.The General Secretary of PTI Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Shaukat Youzafzai when contacted said : “Yes QWP, JI and PTI have agreed on a power sharing formula and the government formation formula would be announced today.

”The sources in PTI confirmed that the Qaumi Wattan Party would get the slot of Deputy Speaker, one senior minister and minister while the Jamaat-i-Islami would be getting two ministers and a senior minister’s slot.The PTI would also be announcing the names of the leader of the house shortly while the speaker’s slot would also be retained by it.“No we have not yet finalised the names of the Chief Minister and the Deputy Speaker but yes we would be retaining both the slots,” Shaukat said.

The PTI leaders Pervaiz Khattak and the Asad Qaiser are both engaged in power struggle for the coveted slot of the KPK chief minister and a decision with regards to who would head PTI’s rather inexperienced government is still awaited. Some sources also say that one of the coalition partners of the PTI has shown reservations on the name of Pervaiz Khattak so the PTI was mulling over the name of some other candidate, probably Asad Qaiser, which would be finalised after PTI chief Imran Khan approves the name later today. Shaukat Yousafzai also confirmed that they have a strength of 67 members now and the modalities for the government would be announced soon.

Markhor
15th May 2013, 20:21
http://dawn.com/2013/05/15/imran-video/


LAHORE: Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan on Wednesday vowed to cooperate with incoming Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on terrorism and other major challenges following key elections.

Khan made the remarks from his hospital bed, where he is laid up with a fractured spine after falling at a campaign rally, after his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf polled third place, behind Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League-N (PML-N).

“We have decided that despite severe differences that we have, we will work together to resolve major national problems including terrorism,” Khan said in a video message aired during a PTI press conference.

Sharif had earlier pledged to work with Khan for the good of the country, after visiting the former cricket star in hospital on Tuesday.

“Elections are over and we all as a nation want to move forward,” Khan said, adding he wanted all politicians and the military to sit down together and find a solution to domestic terrorism, which has killed thousands of people in Pakistan.

“We cannot ensure prosperity until we eliminate the issue of terrorism,” he said.

Khan also has vowed to put together a provincial coalition government in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and turn it into a “role model” for the rest of the country.

ECP should investigate rigging allegations

Expressed his reservations over the election process at some polling stations, Khan alleged Wednesday that vote rigging had taken place in 25 constituencies, and urged the Election Commission of Pakistan to immediately investigate allegations of rigging and irregularities and conduct a recount in four National Assembly constituencies.

“It is the responsibility of the Election Commission to satisfy the voters. We suspect polls have been rigged in 25 constituencies. Today we are giving the ECP four constituencies where recount should be carried out with the use of fingerprinting,” said Khan.

“We will submit an application today. The ECP has already ordered recount at one of these four constituencies, but without fingerprinting,” said the PTI chief, urging the use of fingerprints to make the process more credible.

“We have calculated that it will take two days for the ECP for the process of recount with fingerprints at four constituencies.”

Khan said that it was important to satisfy voters who were protesting in the streets of Lahore and Karachi. Khan also said that the exercise was also essential to curb rigging in the future, and to take the democratic process forward in a smooth and acceptable manner.

“This is the right of the people…and will ensure the democratic process grows stronger,” he said. “We expect the ECP to fulfill their responsibility.”

“These people who are protesting against alleged rigging…it is the ECP’s responsibility to satisfy them, otherwise these people will lose their faith on the democratic process and will not come out to vote in the future.”

Markhor
15th May 2013, 20:22
MQM not to accept re-polling in Karachi’s NA-250

http://dawn.com/2013/05/14/mqm-not-to-accept-re-polling-in-karachis-na-250/


KARACHI: The Muttahida Qaumi Movement has rejected the decision by the Election Commission of Pakistan to conduct re-polling in NA-250, where polling was postponed on May 11 due to reports of alleged rigging and absence of electoral staff.

In a televised press conference on Tuesday, MQM leader Mustafa Kamal rejected the election commission’s decision, blaming the ECP of failing to ensure timely polling. Kamal said the commission was covering up its own failures by announcing re-polling at 43 polling stations of the constituency on May 19.

The MQM leader also said the party would protest against the ECP’s decision.

Polling was not held as per schedule at some stations in Karachi on May 11, after which the ECP postponed polling at 43 polling stations of NA-250, PS-112 and PS-113 constituencies.

The ECP announced earlier today that polling at the said stations would be held on Sunday.

Speaking at the press conference, Kamal said an investigation should be launched as to why polling could not be started at these polling stations and was delayed for hours.

The MQM leader also questioned why ballot boxes could not reach these stations despite the fact that polling was supervised by the ECP with the Army’s help.

The media’s attention was focused on NA-250 where PTI activists openly hurled abuses at MQM, which went unchecked by the election authorities, he alleged.

MQM has also announced to legally challenge the commission’s decision in the court.

Badsha
15th May 2013, 20:38
Why is MQM not excepting it?

Can someone explain?

Cpt. Rishwat
15th May 2013, 20:42
Why is MQM not excepting it?

Can someone explain?

Because it will be difficult to organise rigging on that scale a second time.

shan
15th May 2013, 20:45
Why is MQM not excepting it?

Can someone explain?

Hard to rig when whole country is watching it closely instead of on election day.

Badsha
15th May 2013, 20:48
Hard to rig when whole country is watching it closely instead of on election day.


But they want re-election in all of 250

the Great Khan
15th May 2013, 20:52
the MQM will now do what they always do and kill some people, order a strike and thus help eliminate any chance of an election in NA-250.

wasim-fan
15th May 2013, 21:11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlJnE70c3tU

wasim-fan
15th May 2013, 21:12
Btw, what happened with Gilani's son ?

waqar_ahmad
15th May 2013, 21:47
Has Imran specified where he wants repolling?

srh
15th May 2013, 22:11
Has Imran specified where he wants repolling?
PTI wants re-polling in 20 constituencies in Punjab (15 national and 5 provincial).

The 15 national constituencies are:
1. NA-57
2. NA-81
3. NA-85
4. NA-86
5. NA-93
6. NA-118
7. NA-120
8. NA-122
9. NA-125
10. NA-127
11. NA-128
12. NA-135
13. NA-168
14. NA-170
15. NA-190

The 5 provincial constituencies are:
1. PP-7
2. PP-68
3. PP-160
4. PP-281
5. dont know

http://dawn.com/2013/05/15/imran-urges-sc-ecp-to-take-rigging-complaints-seriously/

Pak_Jazba
15th May 2013, 22:14
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431955_10151474731899527_1650561006_n.jpg

Protests in Canada

waqar_ahmad
15th May 2013, 22:18
PTI wants re-polling in 20 constituencies in Punjab (15 national and 5 provincial).

The 15 national constituencies are:
1. NA-57
2. NA-81
3. NA-85
4. NA-86
5. NA-93
6. NA-118
7. NA-120
8. NA-122
9. NA-125
10. NA-127
11. NA-128
12. NA-135
13. NA-168
14. NA-170
15. NA-190

The 5 provincial constituencies are:
1. PP-7
2. PP-68
3. PP-160
4. PP-281
5. dont know

http://dawn.com/2013/05/15/imran-urges-sc-ecp-to-take-rigging-complaints-seriously/

I thought they asked for repolling all over karachi as well, no?

Pak_Jazba
15th May 2013, 22:20
Hard to rig when whole country is watching it closely instead of on election day.

i dont think it has anything to do with rigging a second time. Yes they know they have rigged it by enormous scales, and they also know they will be caught out if the elections take place all over Karachi a second time.

But, the main reason & i guess a valid reason as well is the fact that rigging was not limited only to Karachi, it was done in Punjab (@ different scales), KPK, Balochistan as well. So what MQM keeps on saying is, if you want elections again in Karachi, you might as well do it all over Pakistan again. Because rigging was prevalent all over Pakistan on the 11th.
You cannot have one rule of law for one state/city and another for another city.

srh
15th May 2013, 22:30
I thought they asked for repolling all over karachi as well, no?yes but this report was for constituencies outside of Karachi.

shan
15th May 2013, 22:30
i dont think it has anything to do with rigging a second time. Yes they know they have rigged it by enormous scales, and they also know they will be caught out if the elections take place all over Karachi a second time.

But, the main reason & i guess a valid reason as well is the fact that rigging was not limited only to Karachi, it was done in Punjab (@ different scales), KPK, Balochistan as well. So what MQM keeps on saying is, if you want elections again in Karachi, you might as well do it all over Pakistan again. Because rigging was prevalent all over Pakistan on the 11th.
You cannot have one rule of law for one state/city and another for another city.

Its not like ECP is doing reelection in all of Karachi right? Just in those 43 polling stations where it was stopped. And also they can easly check with help of Nadra if votes are real or bogus. It may take 2-3 days or even couple weeks but it doesnt matter.

If fingers print are checked then next time no one will bother to rig.

Pak_Jazba
15th May 2013, 22:56
Its not like ECP is doing reelection in all of Karachi right? Just in those 43 polling stations where it was stopped. And also they can easly check with help of Nadra if votes are real or bogus. It may take 2-3 days or even couple weeks but it doesnt matter.

If fingers print are checked then next time no one will bother to rig.

Yes. The next 3-4 days should go someway in making things clear.

PTI
15th May 2013, 23:40
So Pervez Khatak it is then..CM KPK

Friend786
15th May 2013, 23:52
Me and Imran Khan were planned to be assassinated at Liaqat Bagh on 9th of May: Sheikh Rashid

akhtar fan
16th May 2013, 00:09
What will happen to altaf now? Can uk deport him?

Grunge101
16th May 2013, 00:15
Get ready for some more bloodshed in Karachi..The Altaf bhai way of handling things

waqar goraya
16th May 2013, 00:15
Me and Imran Khan were planned to be assassinated at Liaqat Bagh on 9th of May: Sheikh Rashid

I do not know about Liaqat Bagh but there were serious threats to Imran Khan that's the reason that guards were over anxious to give him body cover on that lift even if there was not enough space on the ladder...

waqar goraya
16th May 2013, 00:19
Get ready for some more bloodshed in Karachi..The Altaf bhai way of handling things

Their support is at the lowest point now among public, media or internationally....

So, it would be best chance for an army operation to eliminate their militant wings,

Bloodshed at this stage will cost them heavily..

Friend786
16th May 2013, 01:04
Their support is at the lowest point now among public, media or internationally....

So, it would be best chance for an army operation to eliminate their militant wings,

Bloodshed at this stage will cost them heavily..

then they will cry about political victimization?

UsmanhailsAfridi
16th May 2013, 01:13
Their support is at the lowest point now among public, media or internationally....

So, it would be best chance for an army operation to eliminate their militant wings,

Bloodshed at this stage will cost them heavily..

NS tried this in 1997 and it was a disaster...PMLN would be stupid to try it again it would suicide for them

easy thing for NS will be to quietly spend 5 years as PM and eat and fill his pockets as much as possible...might be his lost shot at this

akhtar fan
16th May 2013, 01:21
What actions can be taken against altaf by the british government?

PakPrince
16th May 2013, 01:59
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Pak_Jazba
16th May 2013, 02:45
KARACHI: The Sindh government in early hours of Thursday postponed the scheduled May 19 re-polls in some polling stations of Karachi’s NA-250 constituency due to security concerns, DawnNews reported.

In a letter written to the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP), the Sindh government has apologized on failing to conduct the re-polls in the much debated constituency of the metropolis citing serious security concerns.

The Election Commission had announced re-election in some 43 polling stations of a national and two provincial assembly seats from Karachi.

Polling was postponed in the said NA constituency on May 11 due to reports of alleged rigging and absence of electoral staff and material.

The Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) had rejected the ECP’s decision on Tuesday and has been staging a protest sit-in outside the commission’s building in Karachi ever since.

The party wants to see re-poll in the whole constituency rather than as they say in only 43 ‘posh’ polling stations.

On the other hand, MQM’s opponents – Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf (PTI) and Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) – are protesting for re-polling across the city.

Meanwhile, Muttahida Qaumi Movement, in the latest development, has announced to call off their sit-in till the ECP comes to a decision regarding the petition filed by the party on the issue.

Speaking to the party protesters, Dr Farooq Sattar said they will decide the further course of action after the ECP’s verdict later on Thursday.

Now what.

farazaidi
16th May 2013, 02:55
^ Just watch. PTI leadership is not joining these protests. If that remains the case, forget about PTI winning this.

I was at Shahra-e-Faisal protest and Arif Alvi was there, so was Ali Zaidi (NA 252 candidate) and some other PS and NA leaders. Even MWM and JI had presence there. Now what do you want? Should Imran be leading those protests? :P

Imran has wisely distanced central leadership from these protests. This wasnt systematic and countrywide rigging, it was rather selective rigging operated mainly at constituency level, except for Karachi ofcourse :P . That is why PTI has accepted election results however they've launched complain in those selective seats.

waqar goraya
16th May 2013, 03:10
then they will cry about political victimization?

No one will take them seriously if operation is preceded by a MQM led massacre..

I do not think MQM will take the risk of unleashing their militant wings now at the burger bachaas...

insaftak
16th May 2013, 03:18
@ waqar

Chill maro...

Mujhe to Lagta hai aab yeh Tehreek, Seraiki, Sindhi aur Urdu-speakers from karachi walay chalaien gay!

chacha kashmiri
16th May 2013, 04:33
the latest in karachi is everyone's going to rush to the polling stations in the re-elections and by elections to vote for bat

LethalSami
16th May 2013, 08:18
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/486683_577035615660111_257374006_n.jpg

party time :inzi

Waseem
16th May 2013, 08:20
I hope it stays this way but did someone notice how talibans were all over Karachi before the elections and now it's all good. I was even surprised at the increased violence and attacks just before the elections otherwise there was hardly anything of that sort till couple of months before elections.

Dr Shahid Masood's tweet on same issue

"Before elections there were no political gatherings in Karachi bc of Taliban Threat!Good to see they have allowed dharnas after elections.

hamzie
16th May 2013, 08:24
http://beta.dawn.com/news/1011603/musharraf-will-leave-country-soon-ijaz

LethalSami
16th May 2013, 08:25
^^i think they are referring to MQM terrorists as Talibans...

Waseem
16th May 2013, 08:26
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/486683_577035615660111_257374006_n.jpg

party time :inzi

Isn't that Irfan Siddiqui? lol and people think these people are unbiased, neat and clean journalists. Let's see if we can find Ata ul Haq Qasmi and Mushtaq Minhas there as well.

waqar_ahmad
16th May 2013, 08:34
I hope it stays this way but did someone notice how talibans were all over Karachi before the elections and now it's all good. I was even surprised at the increased violence and attacks just before the elections otherwise there was hardly anything of that sort till couple of months before elections.

Dr Shahid Masood's tweet on same issue

"Before elections there were no political gatherings in Karachi bc of Taliban Threat!Good to see they have allowed dharnas after elections.

As many people mentioned, MQM are experts is dramas. Blowing up stuff to gain sympathy and blocking political campaigning in karachi was a neat plan wasnt it.

LethalSami
16th May 2013, 08:55
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Grunge101
16th May 2013, 08:58
Their support is at the lowest point now among public, media or internationally....

So, it would be best chance for an army operation to eliminate their militant wings,

Bloodshed at this stage will cost them heavily..

I agree totally...Infact their influence is at its lowest right now..People are ready to come on live TV and call him all sorts of names(The protesters on 11th May).

You cannot have a better time to strike...But the problem again is the only force capable of doing that are the Armed forces...and they have been in bed with MQM for the past two decades.

Grunge101
16th May 2013, 09:00
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Grunge101
16th May 2013, 09:11
British High Commission/London Police takes notice of Altaf Hussains comments



http://tribune.com.pk/story/549598/british-high-commissioner-takes-notice-of-altaf-hussains-statements/

waqar_ahmad
16th May 2013, 09:12
I was at Shahra-e-Faisal protest and Arif Alvi was there, so was Ali Zaidi (NA 252 candidate) and some other PS and NA leaders. Even MWM and JI had presence there. Now what do you want? Should Imran be leading those protests? :P

Imran has wisely distanced central leadership from these protests. This wasnt systematic and countrywide rigging, it was rather selective rigging operated mainly at constituency level, except for Karachi ofcourse :P . That is why PTI has accepted election results however they've launched complain in those selective seats.

Actually yes, Imran should be leading those protests! I think his statements have been a lot more aggressive in the last day or two. I dont understand why you think Imran distancing himself from these protests is a wise thing


@ waqar

Chill maro...

Mujhe to Lagta hai aab yeh Tehreek, Seraiki, Sindhi aur Urdu-speakers from karachi walay chalaien gay!

Yaar for this tehreek to be fruitful, you cant have these gatherings all over the place. Someone has to lead them. PTI leaders have been there, but I would like Imran to be there as well

LethalSami
16th May 2013, 09:23
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that was the deal :moyo

Grunge101
16th May 2013, 09:47
Talat Hussain speaks out.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/922993_10151390296396766_1474585806_n.png

PTI supporters make fake Twitter tweets and FB accounts to spread ''rigged Punjab elections'' claim.. ...Fake tweets from Talat Hussain,Javed Choudhary,Saleem Safi,Abdul Kadeer Khan

Waseem
16th May 2013, 10:21
Talat Hussain speaks out.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/922993_10151390296396766_1474585806_n.png

PTI supporters make fake Twitter tweets and FB accounts to spread ''rigged Punjab elections'' claim.. ...Fake tweets from Talat Hussain,Javed Choudhary,Saleem Safi,Abdul Kadeer Khan

That's pathetic, i have personally sent many tweets to ask people to stop this non sense as it doesn't help your cause. We are as disappointed as anyone out there but doesn't mean you start doing this.

Talat is actually very frustrated with PTI fans (partly his own fault the way he reacted after Imran fell). He was arguing with Asad Umar without making much sense and even Asad had to respond "Mujhay tou Talat sahib ka argument bilkul samajh hi nahi aa raha" which shows Talat was making no sense and was sounding quite bitter in his criticism.

LethalSami
16th May 2013, 10:44
Talat Hussain speaks out.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/922993_10151390296396766_1474585806_n.png

PTI supporters make fake Twitter tweets and FB accounts to spread ''rigged Punjab elections'' claim.. ...Fake tweets from Talat Hussain,Javed Choudhary,Saleem Safi,Abdul Kadeer Khan

how do we know this is NOT a fake account also???

Couch Cricketer
16th May 2013, 11:30
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZDJQuYOrUh4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Dont know if this has been posted here before but if they were so well prepared to cheat I am not so sure that PMLN would have gotten many of the seats anyway. I know this is not a PMLN video but this just makes me sure that the rigging is a lot more prevalent than People realize. And the voting turnout of 40-45% in the last few election probably are lies as well.
I checked around that many people don't vote just give their ID to 1 person in the family and that person goes out and votes for all the 10-12 people in the family. PTI is right in asking for 2nd election in Karachi as I am now sure instead of the 2-3 seats I was expecting PTI can actually grab 12 or more seats in Karachi.
And with a free and fair election PTI would have grabbed 70-80 seats rather than the 45-50 even the most ardent but politically aware PTI supporter was expecting. But we got just 30 so 40-50 seats were stolen from us.

AikAlif
16th May 2013, 11:37
But the problem again is the only force capable of doing that are the Armed forces...and they have been in bed with MQM for the past two decades.

How the heck have they been "in bed" with the MQM for the past two decades? Do you not remember Operation Clean Up and the Jinnahpur affair (http://archives.dawn.com/archives/35615) of the mid 1990s under NS's direction? Look, I'm not defending the MQM whatsoever (and for what it's worth, I'm "Urdu-speaking," whatever that means.. I'm Pakistani, and that's it), but those who experienced the unrelenting violence which plagued Karachi in the 1990s, and which is known to have been under the direction of the federal government and the armed forces, including my own family members, have very real reason to be wary of PML-N and NS coming to power.

I would love to see AH's hold on my city wane and become an eventual nullity, but let's get out history right before we jump to conclusions.

Couch Cricketer
16th May 2013, 11:51
How the heck have they been "in bed" with the MQM for the past two decades? Do you not remember Operation Clean Up and the Jinnahpur affair (http://archives.dawn.com/archives/35615) of the mid 1990s under NS's direction? Look, I'm not defending the MQM whatsoever (and for what it's worth, I'm "Urdu-speaking," whatever that means.. I'm Pakistani, and that's it), but those who experienced the unrelenting violence which plagued Karachi in the 1990s, and which is known to have been under the direction of the federal government and the armed forces, including my own family members, have very real reason to be wary of PML-N and NS coming to power.

I would love to see AH's hold on my city wane and become an eventual nullity, but let's get out history right before we jump to conclusions.

The armed forces got in bed with MQM after the 2nd election under Musharaff. The first election were actually quite fair and MMA even won quite a few seats in Karachi. Musharaff started off well doing all the right things. But like they say power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. To stay in power he started selling our country first to US and then to PMLQ and MQM which is more or less the same as PMLN just the head of the snake is different.
And people of Karachi are rightfully scared of Pmln as the head of the party at the moment is something like MQM under a different guise and are they likely to clash in Karachi. If Pti is able to wrest control from then it would be a lot safer for people in Karachi.

LethalSami
16th May 2013, 12:17
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phixed :asif

Vote kum ho gaye :))) ....zameen khaa gayee ya asman nigg'el gaya

only in Pakistan!

Pak_Jazba
16th May 2013, 12:26
^ Another 250, and Muhammad Siddique Khan of PTI would beat him.

AikAlif
16th May 2013, 12:34
The armed forces got in bed with MQM after the 2nd election under Musharaff. The first election were actually quite fair and MMA even won quite a few seats in Karachi. Musharaff started off well doing all the right things. But like they say power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. To stay in power he started selling our country first to US and then to PMLQ and MQM which is more or less the same as PMLN just the head of the snake is different.
And people of Karachi are rightfully scared of Pmln as the head of the party at the moment is something like MQM under a different guise and are they likely to clash in Karachi. If Pti is able to wrest control from then it would be a lot safer for people in Karachi.

I think you're simplifying and conflating the parties and their origins and objectives, but I get what you mean. And I'm not disputing the fact that the Army likely colluded with MQM or at least stood idly by while they wreaked havoc on the city, but all I'm saying is it's important to understand all the issues as well as the historical background. Loag aiseyhi faaltoo dehshatgardi par nahin utar aatey hain. There's a root cause for these things, and Operation Clean-Up was an extremely painful event for Karachiites to endure. I believe the previous poster had said "the past two decades." That's just simply wrong.

shehzi
16th May 2013, 13:59
3 more pages in this thread and we reach the MEGA NUMBER " 100 "

Waseem
16th May 2013, 14:42
^ Another 250, and Muhammad Siddique Khan of PTI would beat him.

Samaa is reporting that PTI candidate has actually won the election after re count.

Bilbo
16th May 2013, 14:43
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phixed :asif

vote kum ho gaye :))) ....zameen khaa gayee ya asman nigg'el gaya

only in pakistan!

ch nisar out

Waseem
16th May 2013, 14:45
Yes it's final that Siddique Khan of PTI has won the election on PP7 so Ch Nisar can't become CM Punjab :) , now he will go back to his other option of Petroleum ministry.

Bilbo
16th May 2013, 14:47
here is the link for ch nisar defeat,

http://www.thenewstribe.com/2013/05/16/pti-tsunami-defeats-pml-n-chaudhry-nisar-in-votes-recounting-from-pp-7/

Couch Cricketer
16th May 2013, 15:08
here is the link for ch nisar defeat,

http://www.thenewstribe.com/2013/05/16/pti-tsunami-defeats-pml-n-chaudhry-nisar-in-votes-recounting-from-pp-7/


That is just from 4 polling stations if they count all the polling stations he would probably win by a few thousand easily.

Badsha
16th May 2013, 15:24
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waqar goraya
16th May 2013, 16:15
Isn't that Irfan Siddiqui? lol and people think these people are unbiased, neat and clean journalists. Let's see if we can find Ata ul Haq Qasmi and Mushtaq Minhas there as well.

Yep, the man in glasses is Irfan Siddiqui....

Ata ul Haq Qasmi was actually seen sitting in a PML N victory meeting next morning after elections...

Waseem
16th May 2013, 16:31
Yep, the man in glasses is Irfan Siddiqui....

Ata ul Haq Qasmi was actually seen sitting in a PML N victory meeting next morning after elections...

EXACTLY!! Some people still think these people aren't biased.

Imr4n_Khan
16th May 2013, 18:19
Does anyone know under what NA and PA seat(#) does lalamusa, kharian etc.. come in? Like is it NA 96? And which party won there?

0tt0man
16th May 2013, 18:27
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c0.0.320.320/p403x403/16082_394167323991703_151411334_n.jpg

Clockwise: Imran Farooq, Altaf Hussain, uknown, Afaq Ahmed(?), Azeem Tariq and Farooq Sattar.

Mian Hassan
16th May 2013, 18:35
Does anyone know under what NA and PA seat(#) does lalamusa, kharian etc.. come in? Like is it NA 96? And which party won there?

its 104 or 106

Noon league won all of these apart from the middle one where pervez elahi won NA105 I believe

shan
16th May 2013, 18:51
Does anyone know under what NA and PA seat(#) does lalamusa, kharian etc.. come in? Like is it NA 96? And which party won there?

I think Kharian is NA104 where N gunda Abid Raza won with 94k votes and PTI second with 60k.

0tt0man
16th May 2013, 18:51
N-League entirely swept away from Taxila/Wah :))
I was amazed on hearing that Ch. Nisar had managed to win a provincial seat from our constituency. Justice has been served now Alhamdulillah.

It will be interesting to see what the other recounts bring up.

waqar_ahmad
16th May 2013, 18:52
How many seats in nooras win in pindi (NA and PA)?

shan
16th May 2013, 18:53
N-League entirely swept away from Taxila/Wah :))
I was amazed on hearing that Ch. Nisar had managed to win a provincial seat from our constituency. Justice has been served now Alhamdulillah.

It will be interesting to see what the other recounts bring up.

On recounts they check finger prints?