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venomousx
24th April 2013, 15:01
waqar bhai same feeling here but people only vote for things they can already see rather than dreams. Imran Khan's disadvantage is that he never had any chance of building these bridges and roads so 50% people reject him straightaway without taking into consideration pathetic governance, corruption, police system, nepotism, job losses etc etc etc.
This is main city, expect things to be lot worse in rural areas? It's going to be tough for Imran i think.

well these 50% people will most probably die of hunger before the next elections so we won't be worrying about them then.

Waseem
24th April 2013, 15:10
Some people spread negative propaganda that poor people don't gert priority in Shaukat Khanum hospital, watch this:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GouH25eeb9o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

PTI
24th April 2013, 15:22
Nawaz-Zardari Secret Alliance exposed [Don't Miss] (22 April)

<iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10200910578596838" width="320" height="240" frameborder="0"></iframe>

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 15:26
when will the "Tabdeeli Razakaar" group start active campaigning of door to door visits? any idea. I signed up for TR long time back but only get messages to create more TRs :yk

Do not know about Sindh but i am in Punjab...They are active in few areas....Because only about 2 to 3 lakh TR have been registered hence this formula....2(5)=10....but it is a difficult job to take such a responsibilty of visiting door to door.....

Another function of TR is to monitor the election booths on May 11 to check transparency and stop fraud and malpractices..

I also registered and they send me a message everyday,each day they are calling TR of a single constituency of every district for gathering at a certain ground or darra/hujjra for training and orientation......but many would not go there despite registration,as i am also not going to attend any of these gatheringa but i will personally make sure many PTI voters in shape of my friends,acquaintances ...

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 15:31
Nawaz-Zardari Secret Alliance exposed [Don't Miss] (22 April)

<iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10200910578596838" width="320" height="240" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Lmao.....:)))

Zardari sahb na inhe samjhaya hai k 18th amendment k bad CM Punjab has as much resources as PM...So, stop whinning about it....

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 15:35
<iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10151911101313146" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0"></iframe>

So what do you guys have to say about Sir Sahir Lodhii now :D

So, SL>>> SRK

:))

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 15:39
Thanks guys for sharing non-youtube links.....Much appreciated..:14:

Keep it coming...


Just watched some photos of N league jalsas.......The space between Stage and audience surrounds more area than the ground people cover..:)))

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 16:05
In one thing I am disappointed by some PTI fans in this topic, They are continuously calling people stupids and idiots who are supporting PMLN. Everyone has his opinion and views why calling people stupid and idiots.

Red Devil
24th April 2013, 16:13
<iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10151911101313146" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0"></iframe>

So what do you guys have to say about Sir Sahir Lodhii now :D

Respect For Lodhi

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 16:19
In one thing I am disappointed by some PTI fans in this topic, They are continuously calling people stupids and idiots who are supporting PMLN. Everyone has his opinion and views why calling people stupid and idiots.

You can make them look stupid with your arguments,opinion and views here...:)

Red Devil
24th April 2013, 16:24
I can feel the momentum now

http://oi38.tinypic.com/2v0di5c.jpg

venomousx
24th April 2013, 16:26
In one thing I am disappointed by some PTI fans in this topic, They are continuously calling people stupids and idiots who are supporting PMLN. Everyone has his opinion and views why calling people stupid and idiots.

Stupid people have idiotic opinions so calling them idiots is justified. No sane person would support pml-n after all these years.

AZ
24th April 2013, 17:31
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BInUhtbCUAAaD3J.jpg:large

oho, ye kya ho raha hai bhaee?

AZ
24th April 2013, 17:32
In one thing I am disappointed by some PTI fans in this topic, They are continuously calling people stupids and idiots who are supporting PMLN. Everyone has his opinion and views why calling people stupid and idiots.

jab aqal aur jawab dono hi kum hon to log aise hi bolte hain :amin

Badsha
24th April 2013, 17:51
We say it because after five terms, only a real ***** would support the sharif family.

PTI
24th April 2013, 17:53
Shahbaz Sharif forcing govt employees to like/Follow his FB & Twitter page.
Yeh to LOL ho gya

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BInbUB8CEAAPfw4.jpg

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 17:57
Stupid people have idiotic opinions so calling them idiots is justified. No sane person would support pml-n after all these years.

So you trying to say only Pakistani left sane are PTI supporters?

Its good to not use use this language for anyone even If they are not agree with your point of view. :misbah

shehzi
24th April 2013, 18:00
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BInUhtbCUAAaD3J.jpg:large

oho, ye kya ho raha hai bhaee?


now Nooras supporters can attack saying " IK DAR GAYA " :)

Runner Up
24th April 2013, 18:01
Shahbaz Sharif forcing govt employees to like/Follow his FB & Twitter page.
Yeh to LOL ho gya

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BInbUB8CEAAPfw4.jpg
This looks fake.

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 18:01
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BInUhtbCUAAaD3J.jpg:large

oho, ye kya ho raha hai bhaee?

I have no problem with protection if you are leader of people either Zardari, Nawaz or IK or any other because of situation of country.

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 18:01
AZ,you have a very good cam.....:D

I was expecting this.....So,lets see how he does in next jalsa,rally....

Some kind of security is a must

PTI
24th April 2013, 18:01
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BInUhtbCUAAaD3J.jpg:large

oho, ye kya ho raha hai bhaee?

Yeh hai bhai jan
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIncspSCUAEyY0h.jpg

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 18:07
Neither AZ nor arsalan660 have ever debated or presented their arguments here in support of N league....

I asked couple of times from AZ too,but he said he can not do anything here in the presence of so many PTI supporters...

Clearly,knows his arguments of roads,laptops,taxis,loans, wont last here....

AZ
24th April 2013, 18:16
Yeh hai bhai jan
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIncspSCUAEyY0h.jpg

:)) for IK it is police persistence but NS is a coward?

good one.


Neither AZ nor arsalan660 have ever debated or presented their arguments here in support of N league....

I asked couple of times from AZ too,but he said he can not do anything here in the presence of so many PTI supporters...

Clearly,knows his arguments of roads,laptops,taxis,loans, wont last here....

Bhai jaan please read this thread then - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=175655&highlight=nawaz

My #1 argument in their favour has always been reinvigoration of the economy, and improved relations with India.

HamzaSaeen
24th April 2013, 18:22
My #1 argument in their favour has always been reinvigoration of the economy, and improved relations with India.

carrying out the atomic tests sure did improve relations :yk - not to degrade the importance of the tests.

AZ
24th April 2013, 18:24
carrying out the atomic tests sure did improve relations :yk - not to degrade the importance of the tests.

Haha hisaab bhi to chukaana tha :asif

HamzaSaeen
24th April 2013, 18:28
:)) for IK it is police persistence but NS is a coward?

good one.


I'm pretty sure its police persistence for IK, because he has never been seen behind the glass before- on the other hand Nawaz is always behind a glass twice his height.

Waseem
24th April 2013, 18:44
:)) for IK it is police persistence but NS is a coward?

good one.



Bhai jaan please read this thread then - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=175655&highlight=nawaz

My #1 argument in their favour has always been reinvigoration of the economy, and improved relations with India.

If Imran goes behind glass once out of 100 jalsas and Nawaz Sharif 100/100 then it's common sense :-)

Anyway, i personally think Imran, Nawaz and all others MUST use maximum security during election campaign as our country simply cannot afford any sad incident right now.

raamu kaka
24th April 2013, 18:49
jab aqal aur jawab dono hi kum hon to log aise hi bolte hain :amin

aqal aur nawaz shareef, do mutazaad cheezain hain!!

chhota computer = laptop #Respect

PakPrince
24th April 2013, 18:50
:)) for IK it is police persistence but NS is a coward?

good one.



Bhai jaan please read this thread then - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=175655&highlight=nawaz

My #1 argument in their favour has always been reinvigoration of the economy, and improved relations with India.

lolwut reinvogaration?

just because Sharif keeps lying you believe it. Reminds me of the old saying that if you lie enough times, the truth witll become murky and everyone will end upbelieving the lie

Pakistan was on the verge of bankruptcy last time he was the PM

the Great Khan
24th April 2013, 18:54
In one thing I am disappointed by some PTI fans in this topic, They are continuously calling people stupids and idiots who are supporting PMLN. Everyone has his opinion and views why calling people stupid and idiots.

you know why PTI supporters get incensed at PMLN supporters? I'll inform you since you have a problem understanding.

You see every PTI supporter can justify why they support the PTI. Every single one. Some say its for change, otehrs because they trust Imran khan, otehrs because they feel the other parties have failed, others point to Khans track record with the hospital etc. But nobody I have asked can ever justify why they support either the PMLN. Even the PPP can at elast tell us why they support the PPP even though its a stupid reason but I digress.

PMLN supoorters cannot justify it because their arguments end up on the cutting room floor. They can only justify it by then attacking Imran or the PTI or its supporters.

Even AZ hasnt expalined his position otehr than pointing out some flaws in the PTI. Now thats his perogative but I would really like to know why anyone in their right mind would want to support the sharifs.

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 19:11
Bhai jaan please read this thread then - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=175655&highlight=nawaz

My #1 argument in their favour has always been reinvigoration of the economy, and improved relations with India.

And this is how i refuted your claims of so called infrastructural development..


So,finally you come to point :)

I know how N league suppporters take infrastructure...Is only buliding roads the infrastructure....?Yes bulid the roads,thus allocate funds to lawmakers...and then the lawmakers hardly spend half of it on Public....Not to say that buliding roads should not be Lawmakers job in the first place...

I wont name here but i know a politician from Gujranwala who left PTI to join N league because he was given 4 carore for this so called development budget...But the roads were already completed by other politician...

And talking about infrastructure....Does sasti roti scheme,Laptops,taxi schemes improve infrastructure..?They have spent billions during their last rule in Punjab on these infrastructure schemes....But children are studying in graveyards,many schools do not have boundary,toilet,furniture or teachers..Their vision and policies starts from laptops,taxis and sasti roti and finish on roads or transit train systams......

I think their advisors are good make over artists who advise them such far-sighted schemes...


And now Mian sahb is promising loans to youth upto 20 lakhs....

Completion of 2 roads is hardly an achievement in 20 years of their rule....

the Great Khan
24th April 2013, 19:17
so basically PMLN supporters support sharif because he's a thaikedaar?

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 19:19
Sharifs improved the economy? From what I recall, during their last time in the office, the economy grew a massive 2.7%. Correct me if I'm wrong though

PTI
24th April 2013, 19:27
:)) for IK it is police persistence but NS is a coward?

good one.



Bhai jaan please read this thread then - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=175655&highlight=nawaz

My #1 argument in their favour has always been reinvigoration of the economy, and improved relations with India.

Its in Shekhupura.I wonder how IK become brave in an hour or so after hiding behind bulletproof glass.
Food for thought for many IK haters:wasim

PTI
24th April 2013, 19:31
you know why PTI supporters get incensed at PMLN supporters? I'll inform you since you have a problem understanding.

You see every PTI supporter can justify why they support the PTI. Every single one. Some say its for change, otehrs because they trust Imran khan, otehrs because they feel the other parties have failed, others point to Khans track record with the hospital etc. But nobody I have asked can ever justify why they support either the PMLN. Even the PPP can at elast tell us why they support the PPP even though its a stupid reason but I digress.

PMLN supoorters cannot justify it because their arguments end up on the cutting room floor. They can only justify it by then attacking Imran or the PTI or its supporters.

Even AZ hasnt expalined his position otehr than pointing out some flaws in the PTI. Now thats his perogative but I would really like to know why anyone in their right mind would want to support the sharifs.

THIS...100% agree

PTI
24th April 2013, 19:37
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BImZ4TqCEAEf2o1.jpg

PTI
24th April 2013, 19:41
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/935381_563142703716852_1980126984_n.png

PTI
24th April 2013, 19:48
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BG6T0tWCMAEbA6x.jpg

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 19:53
Its in Shekhupura.I wonder how IK become brave in an hour or so after hiding behind bulletproof glass.
Food for thought for many IK haters:wasim

A non youtube video will be more appreciated,...:)

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 19:57
Sharifs improved the economy? From what I recall, during their last time in the office, the economy grew a massive 2.7%. Correct me if I'm wrong though

there were so many sanctions on Pakistan after 1998 nuclear test and even remittances decreased. and there last term was 2 years only.

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 19:59
you know why PTI supporters get incensed at PMLN supporters? I'll inform you since you have a problem understanding.

You see every PTI supporter can justify why they support the PTI. Every single one. Some say its for change, otehrs because they trust Imran khan, otehrs because they feel the other parties have failed, others point to Khans track record with the hospital etc. But nobody I have asked can ever justify why they support either the PMLN. Even the PPP can at elast tell us why they support the PPP even though its a stupid reason but I digress.

PMLN supoorters cannot justify it because their arguments end up on the cutting room floor. They can only justify it by then attacking Imran or the PTI or its supporters.

Even AZ hasnt expalined his position otehr than pointing out some flaws in the PTI. Now thats his perogative but I would really like to know why anyone in their right mind would want to support the sharifs.

Agreed!

If people keep voting for these thugs who have failed to deliver after a million tries, then they should be called stupid. It's not rocket science, but apparently for the pakistani awam, it is.

PTI
24th April 2013, 20:02
A non youtube video will be more appreciated,...:)

Here you go brother :hafeez

<iframe width="600" height="350" src="http://tune.pk/player/embed_player.php?vid=69662&folder=2013/04/24/&width=600&height=350&autoplay=no" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen scrolling="no"></iframe>

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 20:07
there were so many sanctions on Pakistan after 1998 nuclear test and even remittances decreased. and there last term was 2 years only.

After the tests, the bigwigs funneled their own money out of pakistan, and then froze the foreign currency accounts. Whose idea was that?

Despite having 2/3rd majority, despite having PPP on the mat, NS could not prosecute zardari. Why?

They build their own palaces, have close to 1300 security men for themselves, while the law and order situation is deteriorating day by day.

Not to mention being buddy buddy with zardari throughout, running away from the country when they were in trouble, leaving other behind who kept the party together. And yet, when they come back, PMLN becomes a family corporation again, with family members holding top positions.

And all they need to make decisions, is a phone call from the saudis. We all know that.

And, do you know, that Ishaq Dar submitted an affidavit in the court that NS is involved in money laundering through hudabia paper mills? Dar said that himself. Can you reject that statement?

HamzaSaeen
24th April 2013, 20:12
there were so many sanctions on Pakistan after 1998 nuclear test and even remittances decreased. and there last term was 2 years only.

and Nawaz takes credit for the tests as well- so he may as well take credit for one thing or another- nuclear tests or economy- and believe me he had zero role in either the nuke tests or improving the economy...

PTI
24th April 2013, 20:12
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>In 2006 Gallup Pakistan was denied registration of “Gallup” trademark in Pak after trademark registrar received objections from Gallup,Inc.</p>&mdash; Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/327067615786844160">April 24, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Gallup Pakistan is assoc withUK-based Gallup International Association, which works primarily through its website!</p>&mdash; Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/327067036595417089">April 24, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Head of Gallup Pakistan Dr Gilani was advisor 2 then PM NSharif 1991-1993 &amp; Chairman of PM’s Comm 4 Research &amp; Analysis located in PMHouse!</p>&mdash; Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/327064725538082817">April 24, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Did u know Gallup Pakistan not linked 2 US-based Gallup,Inc.that makes int headlines with its presidential approval ratings &amp; US econ data?</p>&mdash; Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/327065757051674624">April 24, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>In 2006 Gallup Pakistan was denied registration of “Gallup” trademark in Pak after trademark registrar received objections from Gallup,Inc.</p>&mdash; Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/327067615786844160">April 24, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>A US court ruled in favor of Gallup,Inc. after the company complained of trademark infringement when 1/2</p>&mdash; Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/327068401145098241">April 24, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>2/2 when Gallup Pakistan’s Dr. Gilani took part in a US radio show &amp; used name Gallup Pakistan to describe his co! So now U know!</p>&mdash; Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/327068627729776641">April 24, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Reverselap
24th April 2013, 20:18
AZ is a Jiyala, it could not be more obvious through his twitter, he has always supported PPP and now he's shifted to PML-N

PTI
24th April 2013, 20:19
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIn9jZxCQAAiz9X.jpg

Red Devil
24th April 2013, 20:25
Survey done by Iris Communication


PMLN : 38%
PTI : 38%
PPP : 10%
MQM : 4%
Jamat e Islami : 3%
PMLQ : 2%
ANP : 1%
JUIF : 1%
Others : 1%
Undecided : 2%

http://www.iriscommunications.com.pk/Quantitative%20Report%20-%20Political%20Poll%20-%20April%2010,%202013.pdf



And survey by Gallup


As per the poll carried out in March this year, 18% said they would vote for the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), 7% for the Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf, and 5% for the PML-Q. :)))

All those Shireen Mazari tweets make sense...

Waseem
24th April 2013, 20:26
there were so many sanctions on Pakistan after 1998 nuclear test and even remittances decreased. and there last term was 2 years only.

arsalan, people were dancing in the streets when Musharaff threw NS government (Our whole family was PMLN supporter).

Even if you look at last 5 years, PMLN performance was TERRIBLE, even their gimmick projects came only after PTI jalsa. I went back to Pakistan in 2010 and was surprised to see crime rate and lack of action from Shahbaz Sharif, even his supporters admitted he is not as active as before. So called mega projects were only reaction to win back some support otherwise surely metro bus in 9 months should have never been priority of government when there was no power, crime rates all time high, schools closing due to lack of facilities, many peoples sharing beds in hospitals.

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 20:28
arsalan, people were dancing in the streets when Musharaff threw NS government (Our whole family was PMLN supporter).

Even if you look at last 5 years, PMLN performance was TERRIBLE, even their gimmick projects came only after PTI jalsa. I went back to Pakistan in 2010 and was surprised to see crime rate and lack of action from Shahbaz Sharif, even his supporters admitted he is not as active as before. So called mega projects were only reaction to win back some support otherwise surely metro bus in 9 months should have never been priority of government when there was no power, crime rates all time high, schools closing due to lack of facilities, many peoples sharing beds in hospitals.

This is what PMLN does. They have one so called mega project every time to get votes, and they ignore everything else. I have family in Lahore, and they tell me how the law and order situation there is horrible, and the thana culture is even worse than before.

SS keeps saying in his interviews that if he comes to power again, he will improve the thana culture. Well, why the hell did you not do it during these 5 years? Or is that PPP's fault too?

Fact of the matter is that these electables and parties use thanas to get people to vote for them. And these parties will never let this change

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 20:33
Survey done by Iris Communication



http://www.iriscommunications.com.pk/Quantitative%20Report%20-%20Political%20Poll%20-%20April%2010,%202013.pdf



And survey by Gallup

:)))

All those Shireen Mazari tweets make sense...
Ansar Abbassi took this survey apart very well. He said, how in the world can PTI's popularity come down a drastic 50% in a month, from 14% to 7%. That is not possible for any party, no matter what they do.

These surveys are all frauds. Just like the parties they support

AZ
24th April 2013, 20:35
lolwut reinvogaration?

just because Sharif keeps lying you believe it. Reminds me of the old saying that if you lie enough times, the truth witll become murky and everyone will end upbelieving the lie

Pakistan was on the verge of bankruptcy last time he was the PM

Sanctions and trade embargoes tend to do that.


you know why PTI supporters get incensed at PMLN supporters? I'll inform you since you have a problem understanding.

You see every PTI supporter can justify why they support the PTI. Every single one. Some say its for change, otehrs because they trust Imran khan, otehrs because they feel the other parties have failed, others point to Khans track record with the hospital etc. But nobody I have asked can ever justify why they support either the PMLN. Even the PPP can at elast tell us why they support the PPP even though its a stupid reason but I digress.

PMLN supoorters cannot justify it because their arguments end up on the cutting room floor. They can only justify it by then attacking Imran or the PTI or its supporters.

Even AZ hasnt expalined his position otehr than pointing out some flaws in the PTI. Now thats his perogative but I would really like to know why anyone in their right mind would want to support the sharifs.

Actually have already done so plenty of times.

Privatization of flagging large-scale industries, the Motorway Project, Gwadar Port, Yellow Cab scheme, streamlining the remittances system, installation of fibre-optics to put Pakistan on the information superhighway - all projects and ideas that were designed to boost the Pak economy.

some worked and some failed, that I admit.

Shahbaz Sharif has received praise and is widely-respected for his work as CM Punjab, security situation is also vastly better than the other provinces....or is that also smoke and mirrors as well?

why do they have such large support and are termed 'favorites' this time around as well?

you cannot buy off 60+ million people (Punjab).

as for IK, what achievements does he have to his name? even the Sharifs have built schools, universities and hospitals.

what political track record does he have?

what did IK do for his constituency the couple of times he did manage to get into Parliament?

been slumming it in politics for the past 20 years due to his own arrogance and bad decisions.

'He deserves a chance'...if one is basing their support on that then fair enough, but also face the fact that he has zero merit as well.


would love to see one day, just ONE day when Insafians here speak about the merit of PTI rather than do anti-politics by bashing any other party.

PTI have gone so overboard with that and been doing it for so long that people have been turned off by it.


And this is how i refuted your claims of so called infrastructural development..




And now Mian sahb is promising loans to youth upto 20 lakhs....

Completion of 2 roads is hardly an achievement in 20 years of their rule....




there were so many sanctions on Pakistan after 1998 nuclear test and even remittances decreased. and there last term was 2 years only.

that, and the Sasti Roti scheme did not succeed because of the disastrous floods few years back, funds had to be diverted there and left the scheme on its knees.

AZ
24th April 2013, 20:41
AZ is a Jiyala, it could not be more obvious through his twitter, he has always supported PPP and now he's shifted to PML-N

LOL :)))

1 - am just screwing around most of the time on Twitter, its fun to troll Insafians who take themselves so seriously.

2 - HOW on Earth did you get the notion that I supported PPP?

UsmanhailsAfridi
24th April 2013, 20:49
Sanctions and trade embargoes tend to do that.



Actually have already done so plenty of times.

Privatization of flagging large-scale industries, the Motorway Project, Gwadar Port, Yellow Cab scheme, streamlining the remittances system, installation of fibre-optics to put Pakistan on the information superhighway - all projects and ideas that were designed to boost the Pak economy.

some worked and some failed, that I admit.

Shahbaz Sharif has received praise and is widely-respected for his work as CM Punjab, security situation is also vastly better than the other provinces....or is that also smoke and mirrors as well?

why do they have such large support and are termed 'favorites' this time around as well?

you cannot buy off 60+ million people (Punjab).

as for IK, what achievements does he have to his name? even the Sharifs have built schools, universities and hospitals.

what political track record does he have?

what did IK do for his constituency the couple of times he did manage to get into Parliament?

been slumming it in politics for the past 20 years due to his own arrogance and bad decisions.

'He deserves a chance'...if one is basing their support on that then fair enough, but also face the fact that he has zero merit as well.


would love to see one day, just ONE day when Insafians here speak about the merit of PTI rather than do anti-politics by bashing any other party.

PTI have gone so overboard with that and been doing it for so long that people have been turned off by it.







that, and the Sasti Roti scheme did not succeed because of the disastrous floods few years back, funds had to be diverted there and left the scheme on its knees.

funny you don't mention the amount of money that went into sharifs pockets during any of these projects...oh but maybe you think that corruption is part of great leaders persona.

Sir projects govt ki responsibility hoti hein...its just said that we are so dumb we use them as growth or prosperity...prosperity comes from employment and getting people out of poverty

khanz141
24th April 2013, 20:54
:)) for IK it is police persistence but NS is a coward?

good one.



Bhai jaan please read this thread then - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=175655&highlight=nawaz

My #1 argument in their favour has always been reinvigoration of the economy, and improved relations with India.

Great economy???

Last he was in power, he started looting people's money by starting "Qarza utharo, Mulk Sawaro" scheme and he had money donated from all over pakistan by the common public. If his economy was so good, why did he need to have the common public donate money to the government for help with debt?

And at the end of it all.. the economy was bankrupt.

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 20:59
arsalan, people were dancing in the streets when Musharaff threw NS government (Our whole family was PMLN supporter).

Even if you look at last 5 years, PMLN performance was TERRIBLE, even their gimmick projects came only after PTI jalsa. I went back to Pakistan in 2010 and was surprised to see crime rate and lack of action from Shahbaz Sharif, even his supporters admitted he is not as active as before. So called mega projects were only reaction to win back some support otherwise surely metro bus in 9 months should have never been priority of government when there was no power, crime rates all time high, schools closing due to lack of facilities, many peoples sharing beds in hospitals.

You just can't compare situation then and now. If we have media like today this would have never happened and If Musharraf throws out Chief Justice at that time he would not have been in trouble now.

Musharraf take on the government because he know he is going to be rem ed as Army Chief by NS and thus he took this decision and made people to believe he has done the right thing and Imran Khan was his biggest supporter then.

AZ
24th April 2013, 20:59
funny you don't mention the amount of money that went into sharifs pockets during any of these projects...oh but maybe you think that corruption is part of great leaders persona.

Sir projects govt ki responsibility hoti hein...its just said that we are so dumb we use them as growth or prosperity...prosperity comes from employment and getting people out of poverty

So the building of Motorway and Gwadar, that didn't employ people?

even the failed Yellow Cab scheme was designed to target unemployment.

The business community will vouch that PMLN govt. tenures were always the one that were most conducive to them.

khanz141
24th April 2013, 21:01
Sanctions and trade embargoes tend to do that.



Actually have already done so plenty of times.

Privatization of flagging large-scale industries, the Motorway Project, Gwadar Port, Yellow Cab scheme, streamlining the remittances system, installation of fibre-optics to put Pakistan on the information superhighway - all projects and ideas that were designed to boost the Pak economy.

some worked and some failed, that I admit.

Shahbaz Sharif has received praise and is widely-respected for his work as CM Punjab, security situation is also vastly better than the other provinces....or is that also smoke and mirrors as well?

why do they have such large support and are termed 'favorites' this time around as well?

you cannot buy off 60+ million people (Punjab).

as for IK, what achievements does he have to his name? even the Sharifs have built schools, universities and hospitals.

what political track record does he have?

what did IK do for his constituency the couple of times he did manage to get into Parliament?

been slumming it in politics for the past 20 years due to his own arrogance and bad decisions.

'He deserves a chance'...if one is basing their support on that then fair enough, but also face the fact that he has zero merit as well.


would love to see one day, just ONE day when Insafians here speak about the merit of PTI rather than do anti-politics by bashing any other party.

PTI have gone so overboard with that and been doing it for so long that people have been turned off by it.







that, and the Sasti Roti scheme did not succeed because of the disastrous floods few years back, funds had to be diverted there and left the scheme on its knees.

It is rather you bashing PTI on every single chance you get. You find a slight mistake by any PTI member and you don't miss a second bashing PTI with it. PTI has done what it had promised so far. 35% tickets to youth, Inter party elections, 80% new ticket holder who have never been into any assembly.

No party is perfect because the general public in our country is not perfect but the difference with PTI is that it has great leadership in the form of Imran Khan, Shafqat mehmood and Arif Alvi. You cannot bring a single charge against these guys as compared to any other party heads. PTI is trying to change the country, while the other are stuck in that old age politics and corruption. The general public cannot afford even 2 meals a day but Shariffs are showing them dreams of bullet trains. How does that benefit the poor and middle class, who will never even be able to take use of such projects?

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 21:03
You just can't compare situation then and now. If we have media like today this would have never happened and If Musharraf throws out Chief Justice at that time he would not have been in trouble now.

Musharraf take on the government because he know he is going to be rem ed as Army Chief by NS and thus he took this decision and made people to believe he has done the right thing and Imran Khan was his biggest supporter then.

Has nothign to do with the media. People were dancing coz they were fed up of PMLN. That says a lot about the govt.

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 21:04
AZ talking about experience again :))

Boy this excuse will never get old

AZ
24th April 2013, 21:11
It is rather you bashing PTI on every single chance you get. You find a slight mistake by any PTI member and you don't miss a second bashing PTI with it. PTI has done what it had promised so far. 35% tickets to youth, Inter party elections, 80% new ticket holder who have never been into any assembly.

No party is perfect because the general public in our country is not perfect but the difference with PTI is that it has great leadership in the form of Imran Khan, Shafqat mehmood and Arif Alvi. You cannot bring a single charge against these guys as compared to any other party heads. PTI is trying to change the country, while the other are stuck in that old age politics and corruption. The general public cannot afford even 2 meals a day but Shariffs are showing them dreams of bullet trains. How does that benefit the poor and middle class, who will never even be able to take use of such projects?

Shafqat Mehmood, ex-PPP pithoo? this is what he had to say about IK in the past - http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=177589&Cat=9&dt=5/16/2009


cannot afford 2 meals a day :)) :)) :))

oh bhai, when was the last time you went to Pakistan? the 50s?

please spare us these analyses you got by watching GEO, nobody's starving to death as if there is some Great Famine like China.

even beggars can make upwards of Rs. 2/3k per day easily, gimme a break.

people are rich but they do not pay their dues to the govt., that is why Pakistan cannot sort itself out.

UsmanhailsAfridi
24th April 2013, 21:12
So the building of Motorway and Gwadar, that didn't employ people?

even the failed Yellow Cab scheme was designed to target unemployment.

The business community will vouch that PMLN govt. tenures were always the one that were most conducive to them.

i know exactly why the business community will vouch for PMLN...this same business community doesn't pay taxes, this business community rips the general public off....this business community will never want honest leadership

again we are such fools we think 1 motorway is creating employment...its deluded thinking...this is a finite project...real employment is consistent industry...consistent jobs...consistent production

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 21:12
AZ, simple point is that after 18th amendment Shahbaz Shareef had more resources than PM...but he wasted Billions of rupees in his showbaz schemes of laptops,sasti roti,so called developmental funds (which are rarely spent on masses),youth festivals etc......

How would you defend their actions like granting 4 carore of development fund to a lota politician to attract him in his party ....It is not their own money which they are wasting to keep electables loyal to them...?

When a computer of 4000 can do a job then why spend 40000 for the same purpose ...Not to mention that almost every university has an adequate computers available for their students as well..considering the condition of schools and colleges in punjab it is a total waste of money..

What they did in 5 years to mprove thana culture?what they did for hospitals and what they did for govt.schools which do not have bathrooms,furniture or teachers as well..?....They tried Police department to enslave public....who stopped them to de-politicise police dapartment...

They are primarily businessmen.....and thus having them as politicians it creates a conflict of interests...You should be aware how much they earned after entering into politics...

As businessmen they have found different ways of bribe including laptops,sasti roti,youth festivals,development funds and now they have promised a new type of bribe ,that is granting of loans...

UsmanhailsAfridi
24th April 2013, 21:15
Shafqat Mehmood, ex-PPP pithoo? this is what he had to say about IK in the past - http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=177589&Cat=9&dt=5/16/2009


cannot afford 2 meals a day :)) :)) :))

oh bhai, when was the last time you went to Pakistan? the 50s?

please spare us these analyses you got by watching GEO, nobody's starving to death as if there is some Great Famine like China.

even beggars can make upwards of Rs. 2/3k per day easily, gimme a break.

people are rich but they do not pay their dues to the govt., that is why Pakistan cannot sort itself out.



LMAO...people...sharam karo yaar...your supreme leader...savior of Punjab...Shahbaz Sharif says his total assets are 14 million ruppess...and you are blaming the people for not paying dues....koi sharam haya nahi hai....i bet if a gadha was placed instead of Shahbaz and Nawaz you would still vouch for them

mulk tabah kar diya aur phir kehta hai respect se baat karo...dil karta hai poore lahore mein nanga ghumayon aese ghadaaron ko....paise ke pujariyon ko

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 21:16
Has nothign to do with the media. People were dancing coz they were fed up of PMLN. That says a lot about the govt.

Wrong mate People only have less information and Musharraf made people believe he is right through PTV.

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 21:16
Yesterday Shahbaz Sharif said in a jalsa," wo kehta hein ooper Allah aur necha balaa,mein kehta hun khuda ka khof karen wo....Allah to har jagah mojood hai!!!"...

And today he said," Balla aur teer aapas mein mil gaye hein"....

khanz141
24th April 2013, 21:22
Shafqat Mehmood, ex-PPP pithoo? this is what he had to say about IK in the past - http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=177589&Cat=9&dt=5/16/2009


cannot afford 2 meals a day :)) :)) :))

oh bhai, when was the last time you went to Pakistan? the 50s?

please spare us these analyses you got by watching GEO, nobody's starving to death as if there is some Great Famine like China.

even beggars can make upwards of Rs. 2/3k per day easily, gimme a break.

people are rich but they do not pay their dues to the govt., that is why Pakistan cannot sort itself out.

The usual response back...

And don't worry, unlike you.. i was not born in the 50s. That's why PTI has us youth following and supporting them.

And thank God, i happen to go just on time for the May 11th election to take many people to the polling station to vote for IK inshallah.

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 21:23
AZ,saying what Imran did for his constituency..??

Typical minset of a noora.....:))) who spent half of Punjab's budget on a road to secure their personal votes in this home district and constiuency...

Imran's policy is to distribute resources to union council level,,He said no development funds will be given to MPAs to buy their loyalties...

He was never part of government but he has built an university there....

If you talk about constituency politics then Raja Pervez Ashraf aka Raja Rental is the best politician we ever had in Pakistan ....He will even beat Quaid-e-azam and ZAB in this regard..:))

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 21:23
Shafqat Mehmood, ex-PPP pithoo? this is what he had to say about IK in the past - http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=177589&Cat=9&dt=5/16/2009


cannot afford 2 meals a day :)) :)) :))

oh bhai, when was the last time you went to Pakistan? the 50s?

please spare us these analyses you got by watching GEO, nobody's starving to death as if there is some Great Famine like China.

even beggars can make upwards of Rs. 2/3k per day easily, gimme a break.

people are rich but they do not pay their dues to the govt., that is why Pakistan cannot sort itself out.

He also served as Minister under Musharraf

khanz141
24th April 2013, 21:27
67 Ex Nazims joining PTI

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakistan/170684-About-67-exNazims-in-Lahore-join-PTI

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 21:34
Wrong mate People only have less information and Musharraf made people believe he is right through PTV.

When people in punjab, PMLN's den, are dancing to toppling of the govt, then it means it was an unpopular govt. Plain and simple. Do you realize how much hard work it takes to make a govt, that enjoyed 2/3rd majority, THIS unpopular. I mean thats impressive even by NS standards

Who toppled the govt is a whole another debate. And that is where the media comes in.

Badsha
24th April 2013, 21:36
Arguing with N league supporters is useless. They always come to their idiotic statements such as "motorway" or "yellow cab scheme" without knowing the truth.


Even today we read in our history class that had Nawaz Sharif not supported the Kashmir Mujahidin, we wouldn't be in debt today. The guy was and is a *****.

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 21:41
When people in punjab, PMLN's den, are dancing to toppling of the govt, then it means it was an unpopular govt. Plain and simple. Do you realize how much hard work it takes to make a govt, that enjoyed 2/3rd majority, THIS unpopular. I mean thats impressive even by NS standards

Who toppled the govt is a whole another debate. And that is where the media comes in.

He toppled the government because he was in danger because of Kargil war and was about to get fired from NS.

HamzaSaeen
24th April 2013, 21:44
He toppled the government because he was in danger because of Kargil war and was about to get fired from NS.

What danger of Kargil war? Nawaz called the troops back when they were about to win, and nobody can fire a sitting COAS, at least not in Pakistan.

Anfield
24th April 2013, 21:44
So first it was economy doing well when proved otherwise sanctions was the argument in reply. At least make up your mind first.

and yes it's useless to argue with them They have no argument. How can someone explain the events of past years? They were in Power in Punjab but they did nothing.

MC
24th April 2013, 21:45
What has Noon League done for Punjab, in the last five years apart from jazzing up Lahore?

AZ
24th April 2013, 21:53
AZ talking about experience again :))

Boy this excuse will never get old

just because you don't have a fitting reply does not make it an excuse :dav


LMAO...people...sharam karo yaar...your supreme leader...savior of Punjab...Shahbaz Sharif says his total assets are 14 million ruppess...and you are blaming the people for not paying dues....koi sharam haya nahi hai....i bet if a gadha was placed instead of Shahbaz and Nawaz you would still vouch for them

mulk tabah kar diya aur phir kehta hai respect se baat karo...dil karta hai poore lahore mein nanga ghumayon aese ghadaaron ko....paise ke pujariyon ko

he paid Rs. 5 million in taxes, no idea what you're talking about - http://tribune.com.pk/story/532747/sharif-brothers-cleared-of-tax-evasion/



Arguing with N league supporters is useless. They always come to their idiotic statements such as "motorway" or "yellow cab scheme" without knowing the truth.


Even today we read in our history class that had Nawaz Sharif not supported the Kashmir Mujahidin, we wouldn't be in debt today. The guy was and is a *****.

no idea what you are being taught in 'History' class but we shouldn't support them then, is that what you're suggesting?

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 21:59
You look for a fitting reply. I'm better off supporting someone inexperienced, yet honest. You can support experienced corrupt corporations calling themselves political parties

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 22:02
He toppled the government because he was in danger because of Kargil war and was about to get fired from NS.

You missed the point once again. I already said that who toppled the govt, and why, is up for debate, and that;s where the media comes in.

But the fact that a govt, that was elected not too long ago with 2/3rd majority, being booed in its own den, shows you exactly how competent a govt it was

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 22:05
What danger of Kargil war? Nawaz called the troops back when they were about to win, and nobody can fire a sitting COAS, at least not in Pakistan.

Musharraf started Kargil war without any consultation with NS when he was in India talking on Kashmir which was very good achievement at that time. and this war created tension between NS and Musharraf and NS decided to fire Musharraf.

UsmanhailsAfridi
24th April 2013, 22:13
just because you don't have a fitting reply does not make it an excuse :dav



he paid Rs. 5 million in taxes, no idea what you're talking about - http://tribune.com.pk/story/532747/sharif-brothers-cleared-of-tax-evasion/




no idea what you are being taught in 'History' class but we shouldn't support them then, is that what you're suggesting?


did i say about taxes? He declared his assets to be 14 million rupees...at this rate he is poorer than me...what a joke

UsmanhailsAfridi
24th April 2013, 22:15
Musharraf started Kargil war without any consultation with NS when he was in India talking on Kashmir which was very good achievement at that time. and this war created tension between NS and Musharraf and NS decided to fire Musharraf.

really? NS got a call from Saudi + US and decided to pull our troops when they were slam bang in the middle of Kargil...and then NS stopped Musharaf from landing into Pakistan.

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 22:19
really? NS got a call from Saudi + US and decided to pull our troops when they were slam bang in the middle of Kargil...and then NS stopped Musharaf from landing into Pakistan.

Brother do some search then..

HamzaSaeen
24th April 2013, 22:20
really? NS got a call from Saudi + US and decided to pull our troops when they were slam bang in the middle of Kargil...and then NS stopped Musharaf from landing into Pakistan.

Exactly!

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 22:39
really? NS got a call from Saudi + US and decided to pull our troops when they were slam bang in the middle of Kargil...and then NS stopped Musharaf from landing into Pakistan.

You will say this because IK was supporting Musharraf at that time.

Badsha
24th April 2013, 22:47
Guys, seriously, there is NO use arguing.

Let's just stick to the election events.

arsalan660
24th April 2013, 22:51
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIn9jZxCQAAiz9X.jpg

What are you trying to prove here? :misbah_old

0tt0man
24th April 2013, 22:54
Guys, seriously, there is NO use arguing.

Let's just stick to the election events.
I second that. What's the status of the political rallies?

How much crowd are they attracting? IK's jalsa someplace yesterday had a very thin crowd presence.

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 22:54
Guys, seriously, there is NO use arguing.

Let's just stick to the election events.

I 2nd this.

Badsha, you live in pindi right? What;s the moos there like? PTI gaining strength there?

Badsha
24th April 2013, 23:05
I 2nd this.

Badsha, you live in pindi right? What;s the moos there like? PTI gaining strength there?



For a so called Noora stronghold, PTI's presence in Pindi has been very good but we are slightly lagging in terms of banners and advertisements.

I'm optimistic about Pindi/ISL.


Though it will be a very close contest

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 23:09
^ From what I know, Pindi, Lahore and Fasialabad are the places to beat PMLN, with faisalabad being the hardest.

If PTI can somehow do that, it will be game on.

In Islamabad, JI and PMLN are in talks about an alliance. So that will be very tough for PTI too

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 23:19
^^

Talks will fail JI is not ready to abondon NA 49...Munawar Hasan personally is more inclined towards PTI but other majority has a soft corner for N league...

Just passed through a chowk...at one side i see tens of youngsters sitting under PTI flags and on other side tens of buzurgs sitting under N league flags...:))

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 23:20
^^

Talks will fail JI is not ready to abondon NA 49...

Just passed through a chowk...at one side i see tens of youngsters sitting under PTI flags and on other side tens of buzurgs sitting under N league flags...:))

:))

In Islamabad?

waqar goraya
24th April 2013, 23:28
^^

Gujranwala ,plenty of support here for PTI..:)

Badsha
24th April 2013, 23:32
^ From what I know, Pindi, Lahore and Fasialabad are the places to beat PMLN, with faisalabad being the hardest.

If PTI can somehow do that, it will be game on.

In Islamabad, JI and PMLN are in talks about an alliance. So that will be very tough for PTI too

I'm more worried about some of the places we've neglected.



It will be really close in Pindi, and well everywhere for that matter.


I hope talks with N league fail. Weather we like JI or not, if we can come to term with them regarding seat adjustment, we would do well for ourselves.

waqar_ahmad
24th April 2013, 23:33
Great news, thanks WG

Always good to know situation on the ground. SO keep these updates coming plz

Badsha
24th April 2013, 23:37
I go through the ISB expressway everyday. PPP have money in abundance. Their advertising is very heavy with flags on every street light.

Anfield
24th April 2013, 23:55
Let's see how many schools would be closed from now till elections so "students" can attend PML-N's jalsa. PML N is known to shut down govt schools and force them to attend Jalsas.

Runner Up
24th April 2013, 23:59
http://tune.pk/video/68063/

Pakistani Chowk (Kia Musharraf ke ilawa sab Saaf Hain?) – 21st April 2013

insaftak
25th April 2013, 00:16
Aik Patwari aur Itnay shikari :)

^^

I was just summarizing the last two pages of this thread :)

farazaidi
25th April 2013, 01:00
no point in arguing with AZ. His favourite players are Salman Butt and Sohail Tanvir and he wants the latter to lead the national team. Well that tells you all you need to know about his intellect :)

Goggy
25th April 2013, 01:29
no point in arguing with AZ. His favourite players are Salman Butt and Sohail Tanvir and he wants the latter to lead the national team. Well that tells you all you need to know about his intellect :)
I think one has to be incredibly naive to support PMLN given thier track record, either that or someone has a financial interest at stake or family connections.

from_da_lost_dim3nsion
25th April 2013, 02:23
I think one has to be incredibly naive to support PMLN given thier track record, either that or someone has a financial interest at stake or family connections.

Or he could just be a troll.

AZ
25th April 2013, 02:32
no point in arguing with AZ. His favourite players are Salman Butt and Sohail Tanvir and he wants the latter to lead the national team. Well that tells you all you need to know about his intellect :)

...says the person with Afridi in their display pic.


I think one has to be incredibly naive to support PMLN given thier track record, either that or someone has a financial interest at stake or family connections.


Or he could just be a troll.

or someone who actually knows what real life in Pakistan is like and not what they are fed from Geo while sitting with their 2nd passports in the US.

PetroDollars
25th April 2013, 03:37
Its funny HOW GANJAS POLITICAL CAMPAIGN IS HIGHLIGHTING MUSHARRAFS ERA AS HIS. :)))

Did anyone see his interview with Kamran Khan, He was saying GDP growth rate was 8% in his era and was claiming he did projects WHAT MUSHARRAF BUILT (gwadar port, lahore airport, motorways, etc.)

Is he really that baffled

insaftak
25th April 2013, 03:58
Just trolling :)

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Bilbo
25th April 2013, 04:30
Shafqat Mehmood, ex-PPP pithoo? this is what he had to say about IK in the past - http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=177589&Cat=9&dt=5/16/2009


cannot afford 2 meals a day :)) :)) :))

oh bhai, when was the last time you went to Pakistan? the 50s?

please spare us these analyses you got by watching GEO, nobody's starving to death as if there is some Great Famine like China.

even beggars can make upwards of Rs. 2/3k per day easily, gimme a break.

people are rich but they do not pay their dues to the govt., that is why Pakistan cannot sort itself out.

Where are your facts from? cities or rural areas? According to the HDI, 60.3% of Pakistan's population lives on under $2 a day.

Bilbo
25th April 2013, 04:32
Just trolling :)

<iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=648159211867861" width="320" height="240" frameborder="0"></iframe>

what is this?

Bewal Express
25th April 2013, 04:49
Shafqat Mehmood, ex-PPP pithoo? this is what he had to say about IK in the past - http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=177589&Cat=9&dt=5/16/2009


cannot afford 2 meals a day :)) :)) :))

oh bhai, when was the last time you went to Pakistan? the 50s?

please spare us these analyses you got by watching GEO, nobody's starving to death as if there is some Great Famine like China.

even beggars can make upwards of Rs. 2/3k per day easily, gimme a break.

people are rich but they do not pay their dues to the govt., that is why Pakistan cannot sort itself out.

You mean people like the Ganja brothers and their cronies.

khanz141
25th April 2013, 04:51
Just trolling :)

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I dont think speakers are even needed for that jalsa. There are only 2 front rows of people listening to the praises of Nawaz Sharif anyway

zimmz
25th April 2013, 04:56
^ This was pakpattan jalsa by SS and he was angry with local leaderhsip for not filling the ground :))

khanz141
25th April 2013, 04:56
You mean people like the Ganja brothers and their cronies.

He thinks he knows the ground realities lol

below is from only 2 years ago, i guess the people have found some kind of gold and gone up to 2k-3k rupees so fast.

http://dawn.com/2011/05/31/middle-income-status/

A deeper analysis along these four dimensions highlights Pakistanís multiple weaknesses compared with other middle-income countries. While inequality in Pakistan is relatively modest, as reflected by its Gini coefficient score, almost 60 per cent Pakistanis earn less than the $2 per day poverty benchmark. Moreover, Pakistanís status on social indicators such as gender equality is poor. While Pakistanís per capita contribution to global warming is lower than average for middle-income countries, the degradation of its own resources is high.

insaftak
25th April 2013, 05:05
more trolling :)

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/407118_455244517889594_1973551812_n.jpg

spinDoc
25th April 2013, 05:16
^ This was pakpattan jalsa by SS and he was angry with local leaderhsip for not filling the ground :))

when was this? where is pakpattan?

baalti
25th April 2013, 05:23
when was this? where is pakpattan?

okara aur sahiwal ke saath hai...

baalti
25th April 2013, 05:24
mashallah PTI is building strong... too bad N league is being nunnay about live debate... its a shame...

insaftak
25th April 2013, 05:51
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baalti
25th April 2013, 06:14
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baalti
25th April 2013, 06:21
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baalti
25th April 2013, 06:24
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baalti
25th April 2013, 06:28
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saadibaba
25th April 2013, 07:45
A bellwether race in central Punjab
By Cyril Almeida


KASUR: There are no high-wattage names contesting NA-139, no eye-catching personalities or over-the-top politics. But the complex race in this half-urban, half-rural constituency in central Punjab offers something more: tantalising clues to the electoral prospects of the PML-N, PTI and PPP in the region. Waseem Akhtar, the winner in 2008, is the quintessential PML-N candidate: personally not very popular, but a leading contender because of the solidly PML-N vote bank in the city. Chaudhry Manzoor Ahmad, winner in 2002, is the archetype of the PPP contender: a likeable people’s man who relies enormously on rural support and gets hammered in the city by an urban electorate suspicious of, if not outright hostile to, the PPP.Muhammad Hussain Dogar embodies the contradictions of the PTI: a veteran politician who recently joined the party in the hope of combining his reliable vote bank at the provincial-assembly level with a PTI surge to carry him to a maiden victory on a National Assembly ticket.All three candidates are in with a shot in 2013, rendering NA-139 one of the more unpredictable races this election. Swimming hardest against the tide is Chaudhry Manzoor, who joined the PPP prior to his 2002 victory and is now a member of the party’s central executive committee.Manzoor can appear a throwback to a different era of politicians: he travels around his constituency in a micro hatchback; is well-versed in global political history and ideological politics — a nod to his socialist origins; and is eager to talk about marginalised sections of society.Since joining the PPP inner circle, however, tales have begun to accrue of a politician tainted by modern politics.Manzoor readily admits the magnitude of the challenge before him on May 11. “One-to-one it is difficult,” Manzoor said. “I won in 2002 because there were several strong candidates. Anyone who wants to enter the race, I welcome.”And while his rural vote bank is fairly reliable, Manzoor recognises the formidable headwinds he faces as a PPP candidate. “About the PPP, what is it people say? That it is corrupt? But here everyone knows about the dirty dealings of the PML-N guy (Waseem Akhtar).”“Load shedding?” Manzoor continued. “In Kasur, there is less load shedding than in Lahore,” Manzoor claimed, crediting his friendships and contacts in the water and power ministry with helping mitigate Kasur’s energy crisis, an especially devastating crisis for a city dominated by employment-generating tanneries and power looms.PTI challengerManzoor’s wish for more contenders in a race he is sure to lose to Waseem Akhtar, the PML-N candidate, in a two-way contest has been answered — though perhaps not in the way Manzoor may have hoped.Muhammad Hussain Dogar — a 27-year veteran of the PPP and a Punjab Assembly member from an adjacent constituency — has waded into NA-139 in a campaign that is as much about stepping up to the next level of politics as taking on Manzoor.Dogar, who wears his political ambitions on his sleeve, said: “I said that in Kasur the PPP should have its own candidates. But the party gave so many tickets to the PML-Q.”In essence, Dogar, the PPP district president until quitting the party earlier this month, had wanted the PPP ticket in NA-140, the constituency that covers the one he was elected from as a Punjab Assembly member in 2008. But Dogar found his way blocked by Manzoor, who holds sway over the PPP high command by virtue of his position as an influential member of the party’s CEC.Slighted by Manzoor and offered a ticket by the PTI, Dogar jumped at the opportunity to contest NA-139. However, for all the support the PTI has in Kasur city, Dogar faces two problems: the other half of this NA constituency is rural and he does not belong to either half of the constituency — Dogar’s base being an adjacent rural Punjab Assembly constituency.In NA-139, Dogar is circumspect about the net effect of the PTI. “There is silence in the PTI vote. The tsunami will have to be brought,” Dogar said.“PTI workers have passion but they are not politically savvy. There is also a lack of workers and we’ll have to rely on voters directly.”The freshly minted PTI candidate — he remained a PPP MPA until the Punjab Assembly was dissolved last month — also admitted he had yet to be fully welcomed by the PTI old guard. “Those that are disgruntled, the old PTI worker will bring on board. Already some have come out in support of me,” Dogar said.PML-N stronghold“Mian Nawaz Sharif regards Kasur as his backyard,” Nadeem Haroon, the PTI district president admitted, discussing the party’s prospects in NA-139. “It will be tough but there are four (main) candidates now and the Ansari biradiri is also split.”Therein lies the tale of Waseem Akhtar, the PML-N winner in 2008, and why he continues to be the candidate to beat. Akhtar, who is a distant relative of key PML-N leaders, has a rough style of politics, accused by opponents, and even allies, of aloofness, corruption and running criminal enterprises.“Land grabbing, fraud, gunmen, appropriating state money, he’s involved in all of it,” alleged Naveed Hashim Rizvi, a fierce critic of Akhtar who vied for the PML-N ticket as a member of the PML-Q Like-minded faction before belatedly jumping into the race as an independent.“Yes, the people’s reservations are there,” admitted Naeem Safdar Ansari, who is Akhtar’s running mate but keeps him at arm’s length. However, Ansari added, “In the city, in NA-139, the party vote matters a lot.”The solidly PML-N vote bank in Kasur city has much to do with the dominant Ansari biradiri, a hyper-politicised clan whose byzantine politics notwithstanding has always been aligned with the PML-N.In settled circumstances, Akhtar on a PML-N ticket could canter to victory in NA-139. But the Ansari biradiri has yet to decide on its final alliances ahead of the election and, in the past, divisions among the Ansaris have allowed non-PML-N candidates to benefit.There is also the Rizvi factor, the insurgent independent candidate and former Kasur city nazim who readily admits Akhtar is his target.“It’s very difficult to predict,” an Ansari biradiri leader said of the race. “Dogar could break Chaudhry Manzoor’s votes and Naveed Rizvi could hurt Sheikh Waseem.”PTI hurting PPP, independent hurting PML-N, and each of the party candidates embodying the advantages and disadvantages of his party in the region — NA-139 may be a below-the-radar contest, but it is also a revealing microcosm of elections in central Punjab.

http://dawn.com/2013/04/24/a-bellwether-race-in-central-punjab/
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A very interesting article.

saadibaba
25th April 2013, 07:48
Post # 1369

Looks like some kid put on a T-Shirt grabbed his friend with a camera and had him take pics of every time he was talking with someone. :)

Badsha
25th April 2013, 09:31
Terrorist attack in Parachinar.


I hope we don't see any of this crap on the election day.

Badsha
25th April 2013, 09:37
Where will the tabdeeli express be going today?

Looney
25th April 2013, 09:40
Why do i feel like Nawaz Sharif is going to be back this time ? Allah tauba ! I would rather have PTI

waqar_ahmad
25th April 2013, 09:43
Just trolling :)

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:)) Ye to hand ho gaya hai pakpattan mei PMLN ke saath

Badsha
25th April 2013, 09:44
iA Nawaz wont be back. The competition is very, very tight. I agree that Nooras have the advantage but it's not a one sided game. I have a feeling we'll surprise everybody.


By the way, I saw another dream as well.


PTI won 100 seats and N league won 102 seats.

N league formed the government after an alliance with PPP.

waqar_ahmad
25th April 2013, 09:54
^ PMLN has the advantage, but PTI is relying on their campaign. And from what I'm seeing, Imran is running a very good campaign. This can change the tide very quickly

Badsha
25th April 2013, 10:18
Found this on facebook:

"1980 -- 1985 Nawaz Sharif Finance Minister, 1985 -- 1990 Nawaz Sharif C.M Punjab, 1990 -- 1993 Nawaz Sharif P.M Pak, 1997 -- 1999 Shahbaz Sharif C.M Punjab, 1997 -- 1999 Nawaz Sharif P.M Pak, 2009 -- 2010 in Fedral Govt, 2009 -- 2013 Shahbaz Sharif C.M Punjab, Total : 26 Years Itnay arsay mein agar ye change nahin la skay to ab ye konsi change laen gay. Only one man can change the country and that is great Imran khan. So "VOTE" for (PTI)"

shehzi
25th April 2013, 11:35
Just trolling :)

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how do i share this video on facebook ?? :) this is probably shahbaz sharif jalsa in pakpattan

AZ
25th April 2013, 11:36
iA Nawaz wont be back. The competition is very, very tight. I agree that Nooras have the advantage but it's not a one sided game. I have a feeling we'll surprise everybody.


By the way, I saw another dream as well.


PTI won 100 seats and N league won 102 seats.

N league formed the government after an alliance with PPP.

itna unrealistic khwab :asif

baaki partiyaan kya kar rahi theen, haha.

waqar_ahmad
25th April 2013, 11:44
^ collecting electables, as many as they can. Anyone can join and get a ticket as long as they are powerful in their respective areas

PakPrince
25th April 2013, 11:44
lol at AZ!

First you said that you have ore trust in Noora League because of their history of reinvigoration of the economy.

Then I reminded you about how we were almost bankrupt in 1999 before Nawaz had to be kicked out

Then you say it was inevitable because of sanctions..

Regardless of the cause, my question is why did you claim this nonsense of the 'reinvigoration of the economy' in the first place?

This is the problem with Noora League and Dengue brothers... They keep lying to the awaam about how glorious their rule was.. Lies like how the economy was doing well, there was no unemployment, no loadshedding yada yada yada!!!

These Dengue brothers and their cronies from PML-N are serpents. Zardari over these any day of the week...

waqar_ahmad
25th April 2013, 11:56
We should be happy that at least AZ came out finally. Otherwise, being a closet sharif fan was getting kinda old :P

Strike!
25th April 2013, 11:58
Competition is neck and neck between PTI and PML(N) In Punjab. Still i think door to door campaign will be a deciding factor in PTI's campaign.

Imran Khan will be at Pakpattan today. Keep that video of N leagues jalsa in hand.

spinDoc
25th April 2013, 12:02
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spinDoc
25th April 2013, 12:08
how do i share this video on facebook ?? :) this is probably shahbaz sharif jalsa in pakpattan

its already on face book ,check we want imran khan to be next prime minister and ihatenawazshareef(names of pages on facebook) there is also a ihateimrankhan page.

PTI
25th April 2013, 15:16
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insaftak is it you by any chance?

venomousx
25th April 2013, 15:58
insaftak is it you by any chance?

http://www.facebook.com/Insaftak
if he's the same insaftak =p

kamz
25th April 2013, 16:12
well these 50% people will most probably die of hunger before the next elections so we won't be worrying about them then.

If this is the attitude of PTI, may Allah never bring you guys in power, because all you care about is power at the end of the day just like the rest of the lot


Stupid people have idiotic opinions so calling them idiots is justified. No sane person would support pml-n after all these years.

What insaf is this, that people cant vote who they would want to and you guys start bullying them with names if they arent supporting you. Is this the naya pakistan? Laanat hai hum pe

If you cant convince them with your ideology or debate, doesnt mean that they do not have their right to vote or support anyone they like

I fear, that if you guys might come in power you might humiliate them further more for the choices they had made. How would that be different to any of the tyrannical rule Pakistan has had in the past?

kamz
25th April 2013, 16:28
A burning question i have had for ages, not a keen follower of Pakistan Politics or a political student, but will still ask

1) Half of the PTI supporters here I see are of leftist, centre left views and PTI as a party is a centre right?

Isnt that a major conflict?? and a significant risk towards the party? Specifically when party rules wont be aligned with the follower's objectives and thought process?

And how is that going to be sorted out? if they come in power. The biggest threat would be a collapse due to internal conflicts

waqar goraya
25th April 2013, 16:36
PTI is not about left wing or right wing....it is about right thing.....

Anyways,i and many of us have illustrated our views and debated here about PTI and N league as well...

But almost every PTI critic has nothing to say about his own choice ...Kamz,are you ready to discuss N league or PPP's achievements,policies??

arsalan660
25th April 2013, 16:37
If this is the attitude of PTI, may Allah never bring you guys in power, because all you care about is power at the end of the day just like the rest of the lot



What insaf is this, that people cant vote who they would want to and you guys start bullying them with names if they arent supporting you. Is this the naya pakistan? Laanat hai hum pe

If you cant convince them with your ideology or debate, doesnt mean that they do not have their right to vote or support anyone they like

I fear, that if you guys might come in power you might humiliate them further more for the choices they had made. How would that be different to any of the tyrannical rule Pakistan has had in the past?

One thing PTI and Imran Khan bring us so far is Hatred and Abusive language towards other who are not supporters of PTI either on these forums or Social Media and hatred and abusive language for other Politicians and political parties.

I have fear we might be going back to politics of 90s in which we gain nothing.

venomousx
25th April 2013, 16:56
If this is the attitude of PTI, may Allah never bring you guys in power, because all you care about is power at the end of the day just like the rest of the lot



What insaf is this, that people cant vote who they would want to and you guys start bullying them with names if they arent supporting you. Is this the naya pakistan? Laanat hai hum pe

If you cant convince them with your ideology or debate, doesnt mean that they do not have their right to vote or support anyone they like

I fear, that if you guys might come in power you might humiliate them further more for the choices they had made. How would that be different to any of the tyrannical rule Pakistan has had in the past?

Use the aql that Allah gave you and read my post VERY carefully. We don't care about power nor do we want to humiliate anyone. Normally i would not bother with anyone's opinion but people who blindly support pml-n and ppp have a negative impact on not only me but the whole country. It makes my blood boil that there are fools who can't see what these two parties are doing to them and the rest of pakistanis. You better pray to Allah that pml-n doesn't come to power again because if they do they'll be exposed like they always are and then people like you my friend, will have no where to hide. You lot will be in for a lot of verbal assault from pti supporters. They will tell you that THIS is what you chose and THIS is what you deserve.
But inshAllah, that time won't come. PTI will come to power, no one will humiliate anyone. Things will improve and everyone including you will be able to see.

venomousx
25th April 2013, 16:58
One thing PTI and Imran Khan bring us so far is Hatred and Abusive language towards other who are not supporters of PTI either on these forums or Social Media and hatred and abusive language for other Politicians and political parties.

I have fear we might be going back to politics of 90s in which we gain nothing.

Politics of 90s? PML-N were twice in power during the 90s, i guess you weren't born back then kid.

the Great Khan
25th April 2013, 17:27
If this is the attitude of PTI, may Allah never bring you guys in power, because all you care about is power at the end of the day just like the rest of the lot



What insaf is this, that people cant vote who they would want to and you guys start bullying them with names if they arent supporting you. Is this the naya pakistan? Laanat hai hum pe

If you cant convince them with your ideology or debate, doesnt mean that they do not have their right to vote or support anyone they like

I fear, that if you guys might come in power you might humiliate them further more for the choices they had made. How would that be different to any of the tyrannical rule Pakistan has had in the past?

excuse me but i think your mistaking someones opinion on a cricket forum for all insafians etc etc. Its a common error that most PMLN supporters make and then propogate for their own ends. Not that im accusing you of being a noora of course.

My fear is that people believe the baseless propaganda sent out by the PMLN and then proceed to stay at home.

This election is a zero sum game brother, vote for the status quo and five more years of teh same or a different outlook and way of doing things.

Its a pity that many geenrations ago Muslims were agents of change but now have become stale, old, and resistant to change out of fear. Sad really.

the Great Khan
25th April 2013, 17:29
One thing PTI and Imran Khan bring us so far is Hatred and Abusive language towards other who are not supporters of PTI either on these forums or Social Media and hatred and abusive language for other Politicians and political parties.

I have fear we might be going back to politics of 90s in which we gain nothing.

I say once again, social media is the opinion of the individual. I sugegst you find abetter argument.

the politics of the 90's? so your admitting that the PMLN acheived nothing in the 90's? thanks for agreeing with us.

spinDoc
25th April 2013, 17:35
One thing PTI and Imran Khan bring us so far is Hatred and Abusive language towards other who are not supporters of PTI either on these forums or Social Media and hatred and abusive language for other Politicians and political parties.

I have fear we might be going back to politics of 90s in which we gain nothing.

and i have fear that pakistan might be ruled by the same ppl who ruled us for last 65yrs and we will continue on the slippery slop that we are on at the moment.

you are right we should show respect to our corrput zardaris and shareefs,they have earned it.
my salam to them.salam to their azzmat.
lets turn the other cheek

spinDoc
25th April 2013, 17:47
If this is the attitude of PTI, may Allah never bring you guys in power, because all you care about is power at the end of the day just like the rest of the lot



What insaf is this, that people cant vote who they would want to and you guys start bullying them with names if they arent supporting you. Is this the naya pakistan? Laanat hai hum pe

If you cant convince them with your ideology or debate, doesnt mean that they do not have their right to vote or support anyone they like

I fear, that if you guys might come in power you might humiliate them further more for the choices they had made. How would that be different to any of the tyrannical rule Pakistan has had in the past?

you are right - ***** are not up to our standards thats why you live in london and me in new zealand

HamzaSaeen
25th April 2013, 18:04
One thing PTI and Imran Khan bring us so far is Hatred and Abusive language towards other who are not supporters of PTI either on these forums or Social Media and hatred and abusive language for other Politicians and political parties.

I have fear we might be going back to politics of 90s in which we gain nothing.

Since when did IK start using abusive language? And even if he did, these politicians deserve it all. He didn't use abusive language in the first place, though.

kamz
25th April 2013, 18:14
Use the aql that Allah gave you and read my post VERY carefully. We don't care about power nor do we want to humiliate anyone. Normally i would not bother with anyone's opinion but people who blindly support pml-n and ppp have a negative impact on not only me but the whole country. It makes my blood boil that there are fools who can't see what these two parties are doing to them and the rest of pakistanis. You better pray to Allah that pml-n doesn't come to power again because if they do they'll be exposed like they always are and then people like you my friend, will have no where to hide. You lot will be in for a lot of verbal assault from pti supporters. They will tell you that THIS is what you chose and THIS is what you deserve.
But inshAllah, that time won't come. PTI will come to power, no one will humiliate anyone. Things will improve and everyone including you will be able to see.

It is not me or the public who would be judging your actions or your words my friend. That is the sole responsibility of Allah. Who am I to do that.

But even if your blood boils and people are blindly following something, is this the attitude of our beloved Prophet SAW or his sahabas? verbal assault for PML-N voters. Unbelievable and then on top of that you say InshAllah we will win. How can Allah's help be with you, when you are already planning to verbally assault people who differ from your opinion? Is this the way of justice?

Is this the way that that Allah SWT and His Prophet SAW has shown us to express ourselves?

I dont support anyone, neither PML-N neither PTI or any other partie!? and I dont plan to vote either, simply put because, I have never lived in Pakistan and neither I plan to nor i have any businesses or any financial transactions to do with Pakistan. So I dont believe I have the right to say in matters of Pakistan government

The vote that matters the most are the people who are living in Pakistan and its their vote that counts and if they plan to vote for PML-N and if you believe that isnt right for them, you walk them through from their point of view to yours. You empathise withtheir point of view and them and then you empower them,so that they vote themselves for your party rather than saying they are fools and when we will win, be ready for verbal assault :) you would be no different to the rest of the parties.

Even implementing insaf forcefully and by being rude and arrogant is zulm. The day you and Pakistan will understand that, that day you will realise the true meaning of ittefaq too :)

and my prayers are not with PML-N or PTI, my prayers are with the people of Pakistan that may Allah give them hidayah and they are on the right path, then they will have a leader who will truly be representing their characteristics and bring them towards success

arsalan660
25th April 2013, 18:22
I say once again, social media is the opinion of the individual. I sugegst you find abetter argument.

the politics of the 90's? so your admitting that the PMLN acheived nothing in the 90's? thanks for agreeing with us.

Social Media is opinion of Individual but this trend of abusing others started with rising of PTI before that I was not on this large level as it is now.

Khan bhai you are going wrong way I am not talking about who was in power and what is done in that. I am talking about tradition of Politics that was there in 90s in PPP v PMLN where there was nothing but hatred among them and they were like enemies. Same is happening now between PMLN and PTI.

kamz
25th April 2013, 18:31
excuse me but i think your mistaking someones opinion on a cricket forum for all insafians etc etc. Its a common error that most PMLN supporters make and then propogate for their own ends. Not that im accusing you of being a noora of course.

My fear is that people believe the baseless propaganda sent out by the PMLN and then proceed to stay at home.

This election is a zero sum game brother, vote for the status quo and five more years of teh same or a different outlook and way of doing things.

Its a pity that many geenrations ago Muslims were agents of change but now have become stale, old, and resistant to change out of fear. Sad really.

Bro i dont support PML - N so Jazak Allah for not putting buhtan on me for that one.

Im not generalising bro, but the weakness I see is twofold:

1) How has this insafian's attitude been developed? Is it through overall party fundamental attitude? - Because I generally see PTI supporters slinging mud - since when did islam teach us slinging mud bro? I would love you PTI guys to stop slinging mud. That is what will differentiate you from the rest and truly make PTI the leaders and I sincerely hope that some party follows that.

There is a lot of patience required for that I agree, look at Rasul Allah SAW and his sahabas at how patient they were. They were driven out of their homeland, despite being on Haq and Adl.

2) And if this attitude is at an individual level, it is supposed to be the party's and other supporters responsibility to rectify his behaviour and attitude explaining him that this is not what PTI wants to portray- Its a very basic principle of Dawah that someone posted quite a while ago (the concept and explanation of Surah Asr)

So my apologies, if I hurt your feelings or said something offensive. But I believe in a very simple theory, your leader will represent the same character as your public's character.

And this wont change, unless people wont follow deen. I m not talking about big things like shariah law and islamic economics or HAzrat Umar's fiscal and monetary policies. Basic things like: Salah, characte, kind nature, the ability to forgive and dawah for amr bil maroof and nahi anil munkar

UsmanhailsAfridi
25th April 2013, 18:45
Bro i dont support PML - N so Jazak Allah for not putting buhtan on me for that one.

Im not generalising bro, but the weakness I see is twofold:

1) How has this insafian's attitude been developed? Is it through overall party fundamental attitude? - Because I generally see PTI supporters slinging mud - since when did islam teach us slinging mud bro? I would love you PTI guys to stop slinging mud. That is what will differentiate you from the rest and truly make PTI the leaders and I sincerely hope that some party follows that.

There is a lot of patience required for that I agree, look at Rasul Allah SAW and his sahabas at how patient they were. They were driven out of their homeland, despite being on Haq and Adl.

2) And if this attitude is at an individual level, it is supposed to be the party's and other supporters responsibility to rectify his behaviour and attitude explaining him that this is not what PTI wants to portray- Its a very basic principle of Dawah that someone posted quite a while ago (the concept and explanation of Surah Asr)

So my apologies, if I hurt your feelings or said something offensive. But I believe in a very simple theory, your leader will represent the same character as your public's character.

And this wont change, unless people wont follow deen. I m not talking about big things like shariah law and islamic economics or HAzrat Umar's fiscal and monetary policies. Basic things like: Salah, characte, kind nature, the ability to forgive and dawah for amr bil maroof and nahi anil munkar

it is not your fault...you are just not fully aware of the political climate of Pakistan...you are not aware of the slave culture in Pakistan that parties like PMLN and PPP cherish...even Allah talks about speaking out against injustice and doing something about it and not to sit quiet...i agree about not going down the route of mud slinging and what not but i also see why people get so emotional...it is after all for 30+ years we have seen the same ** round and round

kamz
25th April 2013, 18:46
PTI is not about left wing or right wing....it is about right thing.....

Anyways,i and many of us have illustrated our views and debated here about PTI and N league as well...

But almost every PTI critic has nothing to say about his own choice ...Kamz,are you ready to discuss N league or PPP's achievements,policies??

I would love to know what their achievements are in the first place :) if you want to discuss it with me.

My suggestion bro, you discuss it with someone who supports them and knows something about them :)

Secondly it has to be about left wing or right wing on a political scale. You cant be everywhere lol :) anyone who has had one lecture on politics at uni will point that out to you.

A complete centre is rare too. You are either tilted towards left or right hence the term centre left and centre right. As extreme left is communism and extreme right is ultra conservatives.

So hence my question again, where does PTI place itself on a political scale? Centre Left or Centre Right and I read somewhere (which I somehow can remember that PTI is Centre Right) but majority of the insafians I see here are more aligned to leftist views?

That would create severe internal conflicts and how will that be sorted? I am more keen to learn about how that risk will be mitigated than anything else then linking it to PTIs policies and fundamental ideologies

arsalan660
25th April 2013, 18:47
Since when did IK start using abusive language? And even if he did, these politicians deserve it all. He didn't use abusive language in the first place, though.

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kamz
25th April 2013, 18:56
it is not your fault...you are just not fully aware of the political climate of Pakistan...you are not aware of the slave culture in Pakistan that parties like PMLN and PPP cherish...even Allah talks about speaking out against injustice and doing something about it and not to sit quiet...i agree about not going down the route of mud slinging and what not but i also see why people get so emotional...it is after all for 30+ years we have seen the same ** round and round

Indeed Allah has instructed to speak out against injustice, but then people get emotional and are unfair themselves

Where has Allah or His Prophet said that follow the footsteps of zaalims and enforcers of injustice, if you get frustrated?

The question that we should be asking is why for 30+ years this ** is going round and round?

Is it more of an inability to speak against injustice? and why are we unable? Would forcing one's opinion on people, mud slinging, verbal assault will bring that change? Or would following Allah's orders and the Prophet's ways bring that change and develop the ability to speak against injustice?

Wheres the concept of buy-in (even if im talking on corporate terms)

So what way should we be working towards?the one driven out of frustration or the one our Prophet SAW has shown? If you and your party believe in the latter, Allah's madad will come to you

If you dont, then my apologies

UsmanhailsAfridi
25th April 2013, 19:02
I would love to know what their achievements are in the first place :) if you want to discuss it with me.

My suggestion bro, you discuss it with someone who supports them and knows something about them :)

Secondly it has to be about left wing or right wing on a political scale. You cant be everywhere lol :) anyone who has had one lecture on politics at uni will point that out to you.

A complete centre is rare too. You are either tilted towards left or right hence the term centre left and centre right. As extreme left is communism and extreme right is ultra conservatives.

So hence my question again, where does PTI place itself on a political scale? Centre Left or Centre Right and I read somewhere (which I somehow can remember that PTI is Centre Right) but majority of the insafians I see here are more aligned to leftist views?

That would create severe internal conflicts and how will that be sorted? I am more keen to learn about how that risk will be mitigated than anything else then linking it to PTIs policies and fundamental ideologies

PTI is aligned to justice and equality. Please don't use these western terms of left and right. Living in the states I have seen in practice the use of left and right. It is quite **. All they care about is corporations and money and their selfish benefits while hiding being their leftist or rightist views.

For now PTI is focused on creating a civil environment with a massive decrease in corruption. That would be a good start.

UsmanhailsAfridi
25th April 2013, 19:04
Indeed Allah has instructed to speak out against injustice, but then people get emotional and are unfair themselves

Where has Allah or His Prophet said that follow the footsteps of zaalims and enforcers of injustice, if you get frustrated?

The question that we should be asking is why for 30+ years this ** is going round and round?

Is it more of an inability to speak against injustice? and why are we unable? Would forcing one's opinion on people, mud slinging, verbal assault will bring that change? Or would following Allah's orders and the Prophet's ways bring that change and develop the ability to speak against injustice?

Wheres the concept of buy-in (even if im talking on corporate terms)

So what way should we be working towards?the one driven out of frustration or the one our Prophet SAW has shown? If you and your party believe in the latter, Allah's madad will come to you

If you dont, then my apologies

Allah doesn't help those who don't help themselves. PTI isn't asking people to vote at gun point. People will in the end vote and if they vote for their unjust master like always then they will get what they have always had.

For the rest of us we will do what we can in our capacity to spread the light and not support **.

PTI
25th April 2013, 19:23
KYA YA KULA TAZAAD NAHEE
PMLN and PPP has make a big aliance in NA27 lakkimarwat,NA24 D i khan,and NA25 Tank.... showbaz kehta hai k ppp pti ko use kar rahi hai ye kia hai.

PTI
25th April 2013, 19:36
Nawaz Sharif ki bhi Najayaz Aulad hai , Haroon Rasheed to Khuram Dastagir (PML-N)

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PTI
25th April 2013, 19:38
School Kids forcing their Parents to vote for PTI

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waqar_ahmad
25th April 2013, 19:42
PMLN didnt have any crowd in pakpattan. Didnt PTI have a jalsa there today?

PTI
25th April 2013, 19:45
PTI New TVC

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PTI
25th April 2013, 19:46
PMLN didnt have any crowd in pakpattan. Didnt PTI have a jalsa there today?

Here you go brother.We beat PML-N by a fair margin today in pakpatan

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PTI
25th April 2013, 19:49
And Another TVC

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PTI
25th April 2013, 19:51
The 3rd one and i guess its the best one among these 3 new ads.
We are lacking attacking ads.PTI needs to work on it.

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PTI
25th April 2013, 19:55
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I am in F-11 markaz. Loud PTI songs, many youth - ppl v excited.</p>&mdash; Raza Rumi (@Razarumi) <a href="https://twitter.com/Razarumi/status/327426882557599744">April 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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waqar goraya
25th April 2013, 20:20
I would love to know what their achievements are in the first place :) if you want to discuss it with me.

My suggestion bro, you discuss it with someone who supports them and knows something about them :)

Secondly it has to be about left wing or right wing on a political scale. You cant be everywhere lol :) anyone who has had one lecture on politics at uni will point that out to you.

A complete centre is rare too. You are either tilted towards left or right hence the term centre left and centre right. As extreme left is communism and extreme right is ultra conservatives.

So hence my question again, where does PTI place itself on a political scale? Centre Left or Centre Right and I read somewhere (which I somehow can remember that PTI is Centre Right) but majority of the insafians I see here are more aligned to leftist views?

That would create severe internal conflicts and how will that be sorted? I am more keen to learn about how that risk will be mitigated than anything else then linking it to PTIs policies and fundamental ideologies

Who are currently left and right wing political parties in Pakistan?...How much different their policies are to one another.....??


There is only one wing in Pakistan and that is "Maal banao wing"...


If opposition of war on terror makes PTI right wing?

PTI
25th April 2013, 20:39
Lodhran Jalsa

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MC
25th April 2013, 20:40
I would love to know what their achievements are in the first place :) if you want to discuss it with me.

My suggestion bro, you discuss it with someone who supports them and knows something about them :)

Secondly it has to be about left wing or right wing on a political scale. You cant be everywhere lol :) anyone who has had one lecture on politics at uni will point that out to you.

A complete centre is rare too. You are either tilted towards left or right hence the term centre left and centre right. As extreme left is communism and extreme right is ultra conservatives.

So hence my question again, where does PTI place itself on a political scale? Centre Left or Centre Right and I read somewhere (which I somehow can remember that PTI is Centre Right) but majority of the insafians I see here are more aligned to leftist views?

That would create severe internal conflicts and how will that be sorted? I am more keen to learn about how that risk will be mitigated than anything else then linking it to PTIs policies and fundamental ideologies

Pakistan is not a Western country and this is very much a nit picking exercise. All these needless inspection of nitty gritties at this point in time makes no sense. PTI is an extremely young country in an equally immature democratic set up, election rhetoric hardly paint a truly accurate picture of party's political standing. One of the definite ways to judge a party's political leaning is through considering the nature of legislations they introduce and reforms they make whilst in power. So it will take at least few more democratic cycles before we start identifying all parties' political leaning.

But to still answer your question, the way Imran has been continuously praising the Western welfare system for past 20 years, and hoping to replicate in Pakistan, PTI could very much pass as a centre left party.

PTI
25th April 2013, 20:44
PTI Lodhran Jalsa

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PTI
25th April 2013, 21:00
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>i'm neutral personally being journo but as stated long time ago that my family supports <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PTI">#PTI</a>,including my parents n in laws. <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23e2013">#e2013</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PMLN">#PMLN</a></p>&mdash; Asma Chaudhry (@AasmaChaudhry) <a href="https://twitter.com/AasmaChaudhry/status/327385125836955648">April 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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PTI
25th April 2013, 21:01
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>asked my journo colleagues during lunch break who they'll vote: 6 out of 10said for <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PTI">#PTI</a> n remaining 4's choice was <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PMLN">#PMLN</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23e2013">#e2013</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PPP">#PPP</a></p>&mdash; Asma Chaudhry (@AasmaChaudhry) <a href="https://twitter.com/AasmaChaudhry/status/327379793861570560">April 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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shehzi
25th April 2013, 21:19
this scoundrel ali is vulgarly asking me 2 sleep wid maulana ludhianvi sb,it's shame 4 #PPP 2 have this cadre. -Asma Chaudhry ‏@AasmaChaudhry

PTI
25th April 2013, 21:33
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farazaidi
25th April 2013, 21:53
...says the person with Afridi in their display pic.

Lol, that is a lost bet, will take it off on 29th. I thought you knew who my favourite players are :yk:fawad

btw, I'm glad thou that you've come out of the Musharraf tag and accepted your true love for Noora League. It took a long time but I'm glad you've finally admitted :asif

PTI
25th April 2013, 21:57
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>no offence 2 <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PMLN">#PMLN</a> guys but sadlyshehbaz sharif proves himself a B grade leader by uttering venom in jalsa. <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PTI">#PTI</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23e2013">#e2013</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23PPP">#PPP</a></p>&mdash; Asma Chaudhry (@AasmaChaudhry) <a href="https://twitter.com/AasmaChaudhry/status/327458464597164034">April 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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waqar goraya
25th April 2013, 22:25
"Mera naam Shahbaz Shareef nahi" :)))

You have to appreciate the unique PPP advertisement,

insaftak
25th April 2013, 22:34
Aaj Tay Sawad Aagaya Pakpattan, Lodhran and vehari :)

Markhor
25th April 2013, 22:38
I would love to know what their achievements are in the first place :) if you want to discuss it with me.

My suggestion bro, you discuss it with someone who supports them and knows something about them :)

Secondly it has to be about left wing or right wing on a political scale. You cant be everywhere lol :) anyone who has had one lecture on politics at uni will point that out to you.

A complete centre is rare too. You are either tilted towards left or right hence the term centre left and centre right. As extreme left is communism and extreme right is ultra conservatives.

So hence my question again, where does PTI place itself on a political scale? Centre Left or Centre Right and I read somewhere (which I somehow can remember that PTI is Centre Right) but majority of the insafians I see here are more aligned to leftist views?

That would create severe internal conflicts and how will that be sorted? I am more keen to learn about how that risk will be mitigated than anything else then linking it to PTIs policies and fundamental ideologies
Conservatism is a failed ideology. The global financial crash has proved this. Now PTI shouldn't necessarily turn into a bunch of raving Marxists but a progressive, centre-left stance that is on the side of hard-working people is the right way to go, Imran Khan himself has praised the Scandinavian, Social Democratic system of social welfare and their relatively low rates of economic inequality, in a society where egalitarianism is strongly emphasised.

taq12345
25th April 2013, 22:49
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Huge jalsa in vehari today. Awesome junoon

insaftak
25th April 2013, 22:51
Jitna Jhoot Media pay aaj kal bola Ja raha meri toba :)

Badsha
25th April 2013, 22:53
Good ad by PPP.

insaftak
25th April 2013, 23:31
Thank you Vehari :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BItyyfiCEAAVYr4.jpg

Anfield
25th April 2013, 23:37
@insaftal are you going to now rethink about your 40-45 seats for PTI?:P

Anfield
25th April 2013, 23:41
It's hard to understand Pakistani media and Pakistani journalists.

In the morning Hassan Nissan wrote an article with the title, "Imran ka Aghwah(kidnapped). At night on Hamid Mir's show he says he(HN) overreacted. It's a small issue nothing major. I mean, seriously? You have been bashing IK for past 10 days now you say it's a small issue. Do we have one credible journalist in Pakistan?

insaftak
25th April 2013, 23:46
^^

Estimates have gone up to 70 now... Karachi Jalsa will increase it even more :) Great campaign so far... Nooras wetting their shalwars :)

PTI
25th April 2013, 23:48
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIt2U_UCYAAbOkR.jpg

venomousx
25th April 2013, 23:49
^^

Estimates have gone up to 70 now... Karachi Jalsa will increase it even more :) Great campaign so far... Nooras wetting their shalwars :)

Such positive posts from you feel good :D

shehzi
25th April 2013, 23:51
^^

Estimates have gone up to 70 now... Karachi Jalsa will increase it even more :) Great campaign so far... Nooras wetting their shalwars :)

this is a great news :)

taq12345
25th April 2013, 23:58
How did Imran muster such a great crowd in Vehari? The Lodhran,Shahkot,Pakpattan jalsas werent as impressive. Whats up with Vehari?

PTI
26th April 2013, 00:04
How did Imran muster such a great crowd in Vehari? The Lodhran,Shahkot,Pakpattan jalsas werent as impressive. Whats up with Vehari?

Noor muhammad bhabha denied PTI ticket and i heard PTI supporters like him a lot but still managing such a big crowd is a job well done.

waqar_ahmad
26th April 2013, 00:32
^ Honestly Insaf, that post from you about 40 seats was disappointing. I felt like I was the only one believing that we will sweep the elections. And I am sticking to it.

Imran is running one hell of a campaign

UsmanhailsAfridi
26th April 2013, 00:49
^ Honestly Insaf, that post from you about 40 seats was disappointing. I felt like I was the only one believing that we will sweep the elections. And I am sticking to it.

Imran is running one hell of a campaign

the sweep is happening iA...IK is playing a captain's knock down the stretch...if this goes on for the next 14 days or so all over Pakistan....the results will be there to see iA

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 01:12
^^

Estimates have gone up to 70 now... Karachi Jalsa will increase it even more :) Great campaign so far... Nooras wetting their shalwars :)

AOA

we're at least going to win 85 NA seats n thats the worst case scenario.... but, the recent surge in PTI's popularity n khan sb's amazing campaign makes me believe, the count is going to be well beyond 140 NA seats, in shaa ALLAH

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 01:18
How did Imran muster such a great crowd in Vehari? The Lodhran,Shahkot,Pakpattan jalsas werent as impressive. Whats up with Vehari?

Tbh, it wasn't a surprise for me, we have khakwani n khichis from vehari, both enjoy huge vote bank n support n we are alhamdoLILLAH the strongest party in vehari right now, but still most off the audience were young guns who would not have come, had it not been khan sb's jalsa.

Shahkot wasn't impressive but pakpattan was huge, geo news kept showing 2 hours old clips, i watched it on dunya in 9 pm bulletin n it was humongous... pakpattan has 2 NA seats n we're leading the race... in shaa ALLAH we'll win both NA seats from pakpattan district.

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 01:22
Noor muhammad bhabha denied PTI ticket and i heard PTI supporters like him a lot but still managing such a big crowd is a job well done.

No doubt noor bhaba is highly respected but doesn't have the vote bank to fight daultanas n manais of vehari, if any family could beat them its khichis.

Perfect choices from vehari, 168 khakwani, 169 aftab khichi, 170 aurangzaib khichi. In shaa ALLAH we're winning on all three.

we're weak on 167 though!!

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 01:24
^ Honestly Insaf, that post from you about 40 seats was disappointing. I felt like I was the only one believing that we will sweep the elections. And I am sticking to it.

Imran is running one hell of a campaign

we could have won 40 seats without campaign :P

waqar_ahmad
26th April 2013, 01:25
I just LOVE it when raamu makes an entry!!

Great posts raamu, keep 'em coming

taq12345
26th April 2013, 01:32
Vehari Tsunami !

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raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 01:40
I just LOVE it when raamu makes an entry!!

Great posts raamu, keep 'em coming

hahaha beleive me waqar bhai, appetite for change is monstrous... i actually used to underrate khan sb's support, especially in the city of dumbos (u know which city m on about :P) but i must confess i was wrong, its no more a city of dumbos, people have started using their brains lately.... if its this good here, i'm sure our position in other cities/villages would only be getting better :D

insaftak
26th April 2013, 01:45
we could have won 40 seats without campaign :P


I just LOVE it when raamu makes an entry!!

Great posts raamu, keep 'em coming

LOL!!

Raamu aka ET is overconfident. I wait for momentum :)

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 01:47
LOL!!

Raamu aka ET is overconfident. I wait for momentum :)

nah i'm not, i can count 85 on fingertips that could be won without wave

insaftak
26th April 2013, 01:48
^^

70 pay to mein be pohonch gaya hoon :)

waqar_ahmad
26th April 2013, 01:49
LOL!!

Raamu aka ET is overconfident. I wait for momentum :)

dont wait, anticipate ;-)

Think positive. Yehi to sekha hai Kaptaan se

insaftak
26th April 2013, 01:51
^^

momentum to nazar aa raha hai... Karachi Jalsa...Followed by Tsunami March to Islamabad :)

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 01:51
^^

70 pay to mein be pohonch gaya hoon :)

barri meharbani :P

vehari gave me goosebumps... kamaal josh tha yaar

waqar_ahmad
26th April 2013, 01:54
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waqar_ahmad
26th April 2013, 01:55
^^

momentum to nazar aa raha hai... Karachi Jalsa...Followed by Tsunami March to Islamabad :)

Tsunami march to islamabad? Ye kab hai? ANy details?

insaftak
26th April 2013, 01:57
I think 7th May from Lahore-Islamabad...

Imran Khan should continue on with this Debate argument :) Nooras have no answer to it :)

insaftak
26th April 2013, 01:58
edit

Raamu is constituency politics Junkie :)

waqar_ahmad
26th April 2013, 01:59
^ I didnt know about this march. This can be huge. Nooras will wet their pants.

Epic trolling, may be use motorway to derails PMLN's campaign :))

waqar_ahmad
26th April 2013, 01:59
Raamu is constituency politics Junkie :)

It's always good getting info from him and you :)

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 02:00
Tsunami march to islamabad? Ye kab hai? ANy details?

8th may ki sham start ho gi shahdara se, 8th ki raat gujranwala jalsa aur 9th ki subah gujranwala se dobara niklain gay pindi k leay... 9th ko islamabad pohnch kr campaign ka aakhri jalsa.

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 02:03
Raamu is constituency politics Junkie :)

i'm obsessed with constituencies sir g... Ik has literally politicized all politics haters

zimmz
26th April 2013, 02:04
It's hard to understand Pakistani media and Pakistani journalists.

In the morning Hassan Nissan wrote an article with the title, "Imran ka Aghwah(kidnapped). At night on Hamid Mir's show he says he(HN) overreacted. It's a small issue nothing major. I mean, seriously? You have been bashing IK for past 10 days now you say it's a small issue. Do we have one credible journalist in Pakistan?

Not surprised. Typical pakistani mentality and ego. PTI didn't gave ticket to Nisar's friend from Lahore and Haroon's from Gujar khan. They started bashing PTI. Now that egostic fire is cool down both are back to normal.

waqar_ahmad
26th April 2013, 02:06
8th may ki sham start ho gi shahdara se, 8th ki raat gujranwala jalsa aur 9th ki subah gujranwala se dobara niklain gay pindi k leay... 9th ko islamabad pohnch kr campaign ka aakhri jalsa.

whoever designed this campaign, did a really good job.

We may conquer punjab in this tail end of the campaign trail!

insaftak
26th April 2013, 02:07
IF there was anyone with a brain in PTI Campaign office he would be making ad right now about Shahbaz sharif's today's statement "Karachi Peechlay Paanch saal Mazay ker raha tha" obviously he was talking about loadshedding but you could kill him with this :evil:

chacha kashmiri
26th April 2013, 02:07
this is the stage of the elections where some publicity stunt wins you a few votes
going door by door with barfi is the next best option

as the swing of the votes will go in rural areas promises to give back any revenue from landowners back to the farmers and peasants will go down like a free cup of coffee as ultimately if those landowners are taxed, any wealth they lose with come out of any share given to those peasants.

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 02:12
@zimmz haroon chacha was not seeking ticket for anyone, he just wanted the party to pick better candidates... i'm witness of one bad decision, we almost had that seat in the bag but they gave ticket to someone else...

Haroon chacha has been supporting khan sb since his early days of struggle, i'm sure he didn't mean supporting him for 17 years for 1 NA ticket.

venomousx
26th April 2013, 02:12
IF there was anyone with a brain in PTI Campaign office he would be making ad right now about Shahbaz sharif's today's statement "Karachi Peechlay Paanch saal Mazay ker raha tha" obviously he was talking about loadshedding but you could kill him with this :evil:

don't you have access to the people in campaign office? you should tell them to make use of the opportunity :D

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 02:13
whoever designed this campaign, did a really good job.

We may conquer punjab in this tail end of the campaign trail!

has to be asad umar

In shaa ALLAH

insaftak
26th April 2013, 02:15
don't you have access to the people in campaign office? you should tell them to make use of the opportunity :D

not direct access... but thori thori indirect access hai :)

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 02:15
IF there was anyone with a brain in PTI Campaign office he would be making ad right now about Shahbaz sharif's today's statement "Karachi Peechlay Paanch saal Mazay ker raha tha" obviously he was talking about loadshedding but you could kill him with this :evil:

kitna shaatir dimaagh hai tumhara... phaphay kuttni, dare i say :P

taq12345
26th April 2013, 02:17
more goosebumps for you raamu

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insaftak
26th April 2013, 02:18
kitna shaatir dimaagh hai tumhara... phaphay kuttni, dare i say :P

Bus kia kerain Nooray ke Nafrat nein aisa bana dia hai :)

waqar_ahmad
26th April 2013, 02:18
Insaf is right. PTI needs to attack more. They can take nooras apart on pretty much anything.

insaftak
26th April 2013, 02:23
^^

Masla Paisay ka hai... I heard the financial war chest is going to only take us till May 6th and Imran Khan is expected to appeal for more funds in Karachi Jalsa.

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 02:23
Bus kia kerain Nooray ke Nafrat nein aisa bana dia hai :)

nooray becharay se kursian nai bhari ja raheen :)))

raamu kaka
26th April 2013, 02:24
thanks @taq12345 nice video :)

waqar_ahmad
26th April 2013, 03:09
^^

Masla Paisay ka hai... I heard the financial war chest is going to only take us till May 6th and Imran Khan is expected to appeal for more funds in Karachi Jalsa.

Really? I thought PTI had enough funds for this.

taq12345
26th April 2013, 03:17
Full view of the crowd

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waqar goraya
26th April 2013, 03:29
Cha gaye Vehari walo..:bow: :bow:

insaftak
26th April 2013, 03:57
Really? I thought PTI had enough funds for this.

Apni sauce kehti hai K they are having money problems.

Jazba/Junoon is the thing that is carrying us so far but Imran Khan will probably have to make a fresh appeal for donations.

insaftak
26th April 2013, 03:58
:P

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/30973_508650372528669_1440153720_n.jpg

the Great Khan
26th April 2013, 04:13
Lol..i remember saying a few big jalsa's would change things..remember the nay sayers in feb??where are they now?? Abhi match zoar daar laga hay..

insaftak
26th April 2013, 04:39
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/35897_10151437381584527_871284739_n.jpg

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/931405_561666477197824_1744311948_n.jpg

PakPrince
26th April 2013, 04:43
IF there was anyone with a brain in PTI Campaign office he would be making ad right now about Shahbaz sharif's today's statement "Karachi Peechlay Paanch saal Mazay ker raha tha" obviously he was talking about loadshedding but you could kill him with this :evil:

Yeah....

and also play clips where Nawaz sharif is saying that Zardari is my brother and even if PPP leaves him, he'll support him..

Imran has referred to this in interviews but PTI should replay these videos as they would make a big impact and show the muk-mukaa.

I remember NS said this in murree after 2008 election meeting

zimmz
26th April 2013, 05:07
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/379796_190136431134108_498090645_n.jpg

PakPrince
26th April 2013, 05:08
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/379796_190136431134108_498090645_n.jpg

gives ganja too much credit..

seems like he ;s doing some actual work albeit at a slower pace

Waseem
26th April 2013, 05:10
Vehari did surprise me a lot even though we have 3 very good candidates in Khakwani, Khichis on 3 NA seats.

AMAZING!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/920654_10151440702924527_1429332462_o.jpg

zimmz
26th April 2013, 05:34
@zimmz haroon chacha was not seeking ticket for anyone, he just wanted the party to pick better candidates... i'm witness of one bad decision, we almost had that seat in the bag but they gave ticket to someone else...

Haroon chacha has been supporting khan sb since his early days of struggle, i'm sure he didn't mean supporting him for 17 years for 1 NA ticket.

Supporting PTI for 17 years is not a license to degrade the party for personal like and dislike.

He has grudge against the youngster in Gujar Khan because he got ticket and not his rafiq.
This is evident form today's column where he said the F.F. in gujar khan should do campaign on his own (or he himself is responsible) yet he ask PTI workers to go out and help candidates in certain areas. What non sense is that? What has F.F. done to him?


http://e.dunya.com.pk/news/2013/April/2013-04-26/LHR/colum_img/8115_20802828.jpg

baalti
26th April 2013, 06:34
25th April, safe to say belonged to PTI...

Waseem
26th April 2013, 07:21
25th April, safe to say belonged to PTI...

I think PTI's campaign on the whole has been more aggressive and successful.

Badsha
26th April 2013, 07:46
I'm worried about the lack of funds. We need to take a bank loan or something. Just ATTACK PML-N. Rip them apart!

insaftak
26th April 2013, 07:57
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/554717_455655137848532_1723218380_n.png

saeed-sohail
26th April 2013, 08:25
Salam guys. Some of you will be aware that I came back from Pakistan a week ago and was feeling down because overwhelming feeling in north Punjab was pro PMLn. I predicted 55/60 seats for PTI two months ago sitting here in Manchester.

I felt like a mug when I saw the ground situation in different areas between Pindi and Lahore. But now looking at the campaign I am optimistic that PTI should get 50/60 seats.

12/15 in KP
15 from Pindi to Lahore( NA48-NA130).
10/12 south of Lahore to NA 197.
5/7 from Sindh
2/5 from Bilochistan and Tribal belt.