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irfan
7th February 2006, 20:44
to 7 years. Good I say.

Geordie Ahmed
7th February 2006, 21:34
7 years? :O

Good riddance tho cos he was full of turdd

Im just a bit surprised considering Mr Griffin was let off just the other day :13:

irfan
7th February 2006, 21:36
well the difference as I see it is the bnp guy was expressing an opinion on Islam whereas Capt Hook was actually inciting people to murder & cause terror.

Mercenary
7th February 2006, 21:37
did Griffin incite to kill? I think that's the crucial difference

Geordie Ahmed
7th February 2006, 21:39
did Griffin incite to kill? I think that's the crucial difference

Thats true BUT i thought incitement to racial hatred was an offence? i mean not 7 years but surely Griffin deserved a phainty of some sort

hussain_0216
7th February 2006, 22:45
The BNP **** got off, and they speak about free speech. They degrade our prophet and call it free speech,.

Hamza was a Muslim, he wouldnt get a free trial regardless......

I didnt like this guy befor, but i feel sorry for him now. He is a muslim after all.

Oxy
7th February 2006, 22:59
Abu Hamza doesnt represent ME...I find his views very 'unislamic'...same with Omer Bkri, who calls anyone without a beard a 'homosexual'...I dont have a beard, so does he want me dead?

Then you have thos eidiots who held placards' behead those who insult the Prophet'...thats a great way to make people side with your POV..

And final, you have that nob who wore a fake suicide bomb jacket....he has now been returned to JAIL...as he was previously out on good behaviour...he is none other than a convicted COCAINE DEALER...so ISLAMIC!

Daoud
7th February 2006, 23:10
Abu Hamza doesnt represent ME...I find his views very 'unislamic'...same with Omer Bkri, who calls anyone without a beard a 'homosexual'...I dont have a beard, so does he want me dead?

Then you have thos eidiots who held placards' behead those who insult the Prophet'...thats a great way to make people side with your POV..

And final, you have that nob who wore a fake suicide bomb jacket....he has now been returned to JAIL...as he was previously out on good behaviour...he is none other than a convicted COCAINE DEALER...so ISLAMIC!
I was saying the same thing to Miggy today. If the guy was back in a muslim country, he would have been executed by now! Yet he comes and tries to defend us by making a whole mockery of the situation.

BTW, whats the story behind that clown who called people without beards 'homosexual'. I would think theres more to being a muslim than 'looking like one'

Toony™®
7th February 2006, 23:11
ahh the club bouncer in jail... how he became a imam in the first place is beyond me...

Toony™®
7th February 2006, 23:14
Thats true BUT i thought incitement to racial hatred was an offence? i mean not 7 years but surely Griffin deserved a phainty of some sort

there's gonna be a retrial.. i think.
jury didnt give an majority/perfect decision and trial was anulled.

hussain_0216
7th February 2006, 23:19
They've gone after him now, they will attack iran or syria soon, and in time they will come after the rest of us.

All pakistan's should atleast have a place in pakistan where they can retreat too....

Toony™®
7th February 2006, 23:22
to add he could be off in 2 yrs for good behaviour as he already spent 18 months in jail.

although..he could be extradited to US.

hussain_0216
7th February 2006, 23:25
Like I said I never liked him befor, but now with whats happening in iraq and iran being set up, we should back him up....

He is being surrounded upon and attacked by the sun and the mirror and the west is screwing him over just like they will do with us.

Toony™®
7th February 2006, 23:27
They've gone after him now, they will attack iran or syria soon, and in time they will come after the rest of us.

All pakistan's should atleast have a place in pakistan where they can retreat too....

Paranoia...u taking ur pills.

hussain_0216
7th February 2006, 23:34
Just reality, Afghanitan, then iraq, the ovetones are there for Syria and iran.

Facism on the rise again in Europe.


We muslims must stick together and not be fooled, I say muslims have about 25 to 30 years of safety left in the UK, befor their are wide scale persecution or attacks.

Geordie Ahmed
8th February 2006, 01:00
Like I said I never liked him befor, but now with whats happening in iraq and iran being set up, we should back him up....

He is being surrounded upon and attacked by the sun and the mirror and the west is screwing him over just like they will do with us.

Dont be so ridiculous - the guy does NOT represent me or imo the average muslims

I have noticed that most of the supporters for Hamza, Bakri and the various other rabid preachers tend to be the cardboard gangsters, they just loving blaming everyone else for their problems

MIG
8th February 2006, 01:06
GA: So right about those guys with him - whats the deal with covering your faces ? What are they hiding ? if they are doing nothing illegal, they have nothing to fear or even if they feel that they are fighting some evil force, why hide behind a flimsy piece of Arab cloth ? What a joke these guys are really !

nafajafam
8th February 2006, 01:08
Who is Abu Hamza?

MIG
8th February 2006, 01:11
Here you go:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3752517.stm

and his picture ( now if that isnt a stereotypical baddie ....)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40202000/jpg/_40202351_hamza_pa203.jpg

nafajafam
8th February 2006, 01:12
Captain Hook !!

Geordie Ahmed
8th February 2006, 01:13
Who is Abu Hamza?

The dude with the hook and a dodgy eye

z10
8th February 2006, 01:14
if anything, this guy commanded enormous respect in Finsbury last time i went

nafajafam
8th February 2006, 01:16
if anything, this guy commanded enormous respect in Finsbury last time i went

Same way Maulana Deisel and his comprade commands in some parts of Pakistan.

Geordie Ahmed
8th February 2006, 01:17
GA: So right about those guys with him - whats the deal with covering your faces ? What are they hiding ? if they are doing nothing illegal, they have nothing to fear or even if they feel that they are fighting some evil force, why hide behind a flimsy piece of Arab cloth ? What a joke these guys are really !

exactly i never understand that - they are just pathetic and that guy who dressed as a suicide bomber really sums up the kind of supporters Hamza has i reckon


Did anyone watch Travles with my Beard (Indian guy grows a beard to see how ppl react to him)? he went to Beirut and he met Omar Bakri, he asking him about 7/11 and what have you, the guy was talking so much rubbish it was unbelievable, when he was asked why he doesnt go to the frontline and fight if he believes in the cause, he decided to end the interview . . . . . . . these ppl DO NOT represent genuine muslims

z10
8th February 2006, 01:19
Same way Maulana Deisel and his comprade commands in some parts of Pakistan.


a dragon ball fan eh?

imo, Vegita is the don

nafajafam
8th February 2006, 01:28
a dragon ball fan eh?

imo, Vegita is the don

:19:

hussain_0216
8th February 2006, 02:20
I think that the government going after him would occur regardless.....


We muslims must begin to do something, soon they will attack iraq, and unless we stop being suck up's more muslims will get slaughtered.

APOCALYPSE
8th February 2006, 02:55
I hope Abu Hamza dissapears forever, he is full of hatred and weak minded fools follow him.

alybaba
8th February 2006, 05:36
I think that the government going after him would occur regardless.....


We muslims must begin to do something, soon they will attack iraq, and unless we stop being suck up's more muslims will get slaughtered.
Oh shut up with your conspiracy theories. Its not a war on Islam, its geopolitics. Please take any political science course with an emphasis on realism, realpolitik and neo-realism.

Ayubi
8th February 2006, 15:07
We really need a bit of perspective on this whole thing I think.

True Abu Hamza doesn't represent the mainstream....but don't you ever wonder why people like him & Bakri were given an open platform to say WHATEVER they wanted for such a long time?

These people serve a purpose for the establishment. They build up these kinds of characters up in the media & then make a big example of them in order to polarise Muslims in Britain, pass all these anti-terror laws & get the public vote to go do what they want in our lands.

Abu Hamza with his hook claw & one-eye is perfect for them to depict the kind of irrational, mad Mullah type caricature they want to.

For me it's not a question of who he represents rather than who benefits from his antics

Saeed Anwar-194
8th February 2006, 19:36
We really need a bit of perspective on this whole thing I think.

True Abu Hamza doesn't represent the mainstream....but don't you ever wonder why people like him & Bakri were given an open platform to say WHATEVER they wanted for such a long time?

These people serve a purpose for the establishment. They build up these kinds of characters up in the media & then make a big example of them in order to polarise Muslims in Britain, pass all these anti-terror laws & get the public vote to go do what they want in our lands.

Abu Hamza with his hook claw & one-eye is perfect for them to depict the kind of irrational, mad Mullah type caricature they want to.

For me it's not a question of who he represents rather than who benefits from his antics

Exactly well said why was he not arrested earlier he even mentioned in the court case that the Mi5 had meetings with him and said to him carry on as long as you do acts abroad and not here in uk.
so we have to ask questions why did it took that long was he serving a purpose as ayubi mentions?

alybaba
8th February 2006, 19:40
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

hussain_0216
9th February 2006, 22:52
The americans and westerners have killed 100,00 in iraq, how much has Hamza killed.

Its a smack in the face of all muslims that they have gone after him in the way they have, Their starting with him but they will attack all muslims.

alybaba
10th February 2006, 01:07
Majority of the people killed in Iraq have been killed by Muslims.

Geordie Ahmed
10th February 2006, 01:54
Majority of the people killed in Iraq have been killed by Muslims.

If you truly believe that then god help you

Gujar
10th February 2006, 03:46
We really need a bit of perspective on this whole thing I think.

True Abu Hamza doesn't represent the mainstream....but don't you ever wonder why people like him & Bakri were given an open platform to say WHATEVER they wanted for such a long time?

These people serve a purpose for the establishment. They build up these kinds of characters up in the media & then make a big example of them in order to polarise Muslims in Britain, pass all these anti-terror laws & get the public vote to go do what they want in our lands.

Abu Hamza with his hook claw & one-eye is perfect for them to depict the kind of irrational, mad Mullah type caricature they want to.

For me it's not a question of who he represents rather than who benefits from his antics

:14:

Spot on akhee.

Gabbar Singh
11th January 2015, 18:19
The radical preacher Abu Hamza – a man who told his followers that they had to train in order to “bleed the enemy” – has been jailed for life amid reports one of his senior aides had links to a suspect in the Charlie Hebdo attacks.

The Egyptian-born Abu Hamza, who once headed London’s Finsbury Park mosque, was sentenced by District Judge Katherine Forrest in New York, having been convicted last May of a total of 11 terror-related charges. Federal sentencing guidelines called for a life sentence.

“You have not expressed sympathy or remorse,” she told the one-eyed, handless Abu Hamza. She said only a life sentence could ensure he would never again incite violence against innocent people.

She added: “The sheer point of your crimes is the killing of others and the destruction of a way of life, our way of life. This is unacceptable in a civilised society.”

The Finsbury Park mosque was long known to have served as a clearing house for radical Muslims after Hamza arrived as its chief imam in 1997. His sermons reportedly inspired people such as Richard Reid, the failed “shoe bomber”, Zacarias Moussaoui, one of the 9/11 plotters, and Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the four suicide bombers who blew themselves up on public transport in London on 7 July 2005.

Reports say that British security services are looking at possible British links to the Charlie Hebdo attack after it emerged one of the suspects was mentored by a senior aide to Hamza. Chérif Kouachi, 32, is said to be a follower of the alleged al-Qaeda organiser Djamel Beghal, who was a regular presence at the London mosque in the late 1990s.

Lawyers for Abu Hamza, who lost both hands in an explosion, have said he should serve his time in a prison medical facility. They said housing him at Colorado’s Supermax federal prison, sometimes referred to as the Alcatraz of the Rockies, would ignore assurances given by the US to judges in the UK to secure his 2012 extradition to America.

As it was, the judge said she would allow the jail authorities to decide where he should serve the sentence.

Abu Hamza, who became a British citizen when he married an Englishwoman, Valerie Fleming, was convicted in May of aiding terrorists who kidnapped tourists in Yemen in 1998 and others who plotted to open a militant training camp in Oregon.

Abu Hamza testified in his defence at trial. He denied he sent anyone to Oregon or Afghanistan, and claimed he acted as an intermediary during the Yemen kidnapping in search of a peaceful resolution. Prior to being sentenced, he told the judge: “I still maintain my innocence.”

He also talked of how he had lost his hands during an accidental explosion in Pakistan while working as an engineer. This contradicted reports that he had lost his limbs while fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

During his trial, prosecutors cited some of the incendiary speeches had made, when he had justified the killing of non-Mulims and celebrated the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington that left more than 3,000 people dead.

In court papers filed last month, Abu Hamza’s attorneys said he would face cruel and unusual punishment if his amputated forearms, psoriasis, diabetes and high blood pressure were not taken into account at his sentencing.

Abu Hamza’s lawyer, Sam Schmidt, said his client would appeal against the life sentence.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/abu-hamza-gets-life-and-is-linked-to-french-killers-9968359.html