Is Indias bowling attack better then Pakistans??

[Green-Machine]

The question needs to be asked......

Without Shoaib Akhtar....the Pakistan attack is

Asif, Gul, Rana, Kaneria

Indias attack .........

Patel, Shreesanth, Pathan, Kumble.....


I'm afraid that it is very obvious that Shoaib is the difference. Without Shoaib, India now have the advantage. Patel and Shreesanth are better then Gul, rana and the guys every one harps on about but who haven't done anything (the Irshads, Najafs etc). Patel and Shreesanth look very promising indeed.

Pakistan have lots of reasonable bowlers - but apart from Shoaib (and the promise of Asif),,,,,,,,we don't have any match winners......

[Easa]

Have you forgotten Asif or something?

He bowled a lot better than SreeSanth and Patel combined.

[in_cutter]

The question needs to be asked......

Without Shoaib Akhtar....the Pakistan attack is

Asif, Gul, Rana, Kaneria

Indias attack .........

Patel, Shreesanth, Pathan, Kumble.....


I'm afraid that it is very obvious that Shoaib is the difference. Without Shoaib, India now have the advantage. Patel and Shreesanth are better then Gul, rana and the guys every one harps on about but who haven't done anything (the Irshads, Najafs etc). Patel and Shreesanth look very promising indeed.

Pakistan have lots of reasonable bowlers - but apart from Shoaib (and the promise of Asif),,,,,,,,we don't have any match winners......

Your are over-reacting again...Patel, Sreesanth are new-comers, lets see how they do further down the line.

[Daoud]

I think we could ask how good India's attack is without Kumble. He puts the pressure on and takes wickets

[aggarwald]

I don't think we Indians have a good bowling attack. May be the names such as Patel, Chawla and Sreesanth will do well in the future but as of today, Indian bowling is probably only better than that of Bangladesh's.

On the other hand, Pak has a great bowling attack and Asif is just too good.

[cavin420]

The question needs to be asked......

Without Shoaib Akhtar....the Pakistan attack is

Asif, Gul, Rana, Kaneria

Indias attack .........

Patel, Shreesanth, Pathan, Kumble.....


I'm afraid that it is very obvious that Shoaib is the difference. Without Shoaib, India now have the advantage. Patel and Shreesanth are better then Gul, rana and the guys every one harps on about but who haven't done anything (the Irshads, Najafs etc). Patel and Shreesanth look very promising indeed.

Pakistan have lots of reasonable bowlers - but apart from Shoaib (and the promise of Asif),,,,,,,,we don't have any match winners......
my friend, my buddie , my amigo, mate!!!!!

i see you have left out the best bowler from both the sides out....how could you??? i cant belive this......how dare you leave THE TIRBUNATOR OUT....HARBHAJJAN SINGH, the best bowler by a mile from both the teams.......hes a stand out......i dont agree without him the indian attack is better then PAKISTAN, i think if you include him then yes indian bowling attack is way wayyyyyyy better then pakistan , i hope you dont ever dream of overlooking harbhajjan singh again ;-)

[Daoud]

my friend, my buddie , my amigo, mate!!!!!

i see you have left out the best bowler from both the sides out....how could you??? i cant belive this......how dare you leave THE TIRBUNATOR OUT....HARBHAJJAN SINGH, the best bowler by a mile from both the teams.......hes a stand out......i dont agree without him the indian attack is better then PAKISTAN, i think if you include him then yes indian bowling attack is way wayyyyyyy better then pakistan , i hope you dont ever dream of overlooking harbhajjan singh again ;-)
:)) :))
Figures like 0/300+ show how brilliant he is

[aggarwald]

my friend, my buddie , my amigo, mate!!!!!

i see you have left out the best bowler from both the sides out....how could you??? i cant belive this......how dare you leave THE TIRBUNATOR OUT....HARBHAJJAN SINGH, the best bowler by a mile from both the teams.......hes a stand out......i dont agree without him the indian attack is better then PAKISTAN, i think if you include him then yes indian bowling attack is way wayyyyyyy better then pakistan , i hope you dont ever dream of overlooking harbhajjan singh again ;-)

:))) :)))

This turbanator is a joke. But he is a good manipulator of media that has made him a turbanator out of a trashanator. Every time he takes a few wickets on pitches specially tailor made for him, he appears on the tv channels beating his own trumpet about what a great bowler he is and when he doesn't take wickets, he always has a convenient excuse (I was injured, ICC didn't allow me to bowl doosra, I bowled better under Ganguly, etc. etc.). Sound of an empty vessel.

But he is not a bad ODI bowler though. He has become difficult to score runs off after he started bowling round the wicket. It worked against SA, SL and NZ. But this is yet to be tested against Aus and Pak. And his fielding has also improved tremendously.

[Daoud]

The icing on the cake was when he blamed the pitches for the Pakistani batsmen picking his doosra and he said even if the batsmen were beaten they had time to adjust and realise what was bowled.
No Harbhajan, we all know why the batsmen could pick your doosra...

[UJ]

I don't think we Indians have a good bowling attack. May be the names such as Patel, Chawla and Sreesanth will do well in the future but as of today, Indian bowling is probably only better than that of Bangladesh's.

On the other hand, Pak has a great bowling attack and Asif is just too good.

Finally an Indian supporter who knows what hes talking about.

A warm welcome to PP.

Hope you enjoy your time here :19:

[Majid Khan]

One thing you can see here is that India under Chappel, have recognised that pace bowling is their main weakness and rather than just persist with the likes of Zaheer, Agarkar, Nehra etc -- they have been bold and tried out the alternative options they've had , from 19yr old RP Singh, Sreesanth and now Munaf Patel , and another young pacer who was in the squad for the last test, VRV Singh.. -- unlike in the past where India just persisted with their mediocre options , purely because they felt these guys are the best we have, under Chappel we are seeing India look around for alternatives, almost believing that surely there's got to be someone better out there!

And fortune favours the brave as they say, by showing a bit of adventurism, India have now found some good pace bowling talent to complement Irfan Pathan and as things stand, their bench strength looks good with the likes of RP Singh, Sreesanth, Balaji .

Compare that with Pakistan and it seems like we have reached a point where the thinking by our selectors/team management is that Gul, Shabbir (who their sending to one biomechanics lab to the next, apparently Saleem Altaf flew to London (on board's expenses, no doubt) specially to discuss Shabbir's issue with the ICC to get his ban lifted), Rao Iftikhar, Rana Naved and maybe Mohammed Khalil <-- its like THATS IT, this is the future of Pakistan's pace bowling.. they are the BEST we have.

I've left Asif out of that list, because he is a genuine talent. But aside from him, with Shoaib maybe in the latter stage of his career now (dont see him lasting another 2 yrs) and Sami's graph only going on a downward curve, there is an unrgent need for Pakistan to realise that our pace bowling which was once our strength, is fast becoming our weakness.

Rao Iftikhar for goodness sake, when are we going to realise that this guy is just not good enough! bowlers of his calibre DO NOT have the wicket-taking ability to WIN you matches.. there's dozens of week in, week out, hard working seamers like Rao Iftikhar playing park/league cricket in England!!

[aggarwald]

Finally an Indian supporter who knows what hes talking about.

A warm welcome to PP.

Hope you enjoy your time here :19:

I like calling spade a spade. I am more a fan of good cricket and enjoy it wherever and whoever it comes from. No point in being jingoistic and covering up your team's faults.

[aggarwald]

One thing you can see here is that India under Chappel, have recognised that pace bowling is their main weakness and rather than just persist with the likes of Zaheer, Agarkar, Nehra etc -- they have been bold and tried out the alternative options they've had , from 19yr old RP Singh, Sreesanth and now Munaf Patel , and another young pacer who was in the squad for the last test, VRV Singh.. -- unlike in the past where India just persisted with their mediocre options , purely because they felt these guys are the best we have, under Chappel we are seeing India look around for alternatives, almost believing that surely there's got to be someone better out there!

And fortune favours the brave as they say, by showing a bit of adventurism, India have now found some good pace bowling talent to complement Irfan Pathan and as things stand, their bench strength looks good with the likes of RP Singh, Sreesanth, Balaji .

Compare that with Pakistan and it seems like we have reached a point where the thinking by our selectors/team management is that Gul, Shabbir (who their sending to one biomechanics lab to the next, apparently Saleem Altaf flew to London (on board's expenses, no doubt) specially to discuss Shabbir's issue with the ICC to get his ban lifted), Rao Iftikhar, Rana Naved and maybe Mohammed Khalil <-- its like THATS IT, this is the future of Pakistan's pace bowling.. they are the BEST we have.

I've left Asif out of that list, because he is a genuine talent. But aside from him, with Shoaib maybe in the latter stage of his career now (dont see him lasting another 2 yrs) and Sami's graph only going on a downward curve, there is an unrgent need for Pakistan to realise that our pace bowling which was once our strength, is fast becoming our weakness.

Rao Iftikhar for goodness sake, when are we going to realise that this guy is just not good enough! bowlers of his calibre DO NOT have the wicket-taking ability to WIN you matches.. there's dozens of week in, week out, hard working seamers like Rao Iftikhar playing park/league cricket in England!!

Gul is a good bowler. He has the ability to bounce and seam the ball. Remember he won you guys a test match before and was also lethal in 3rd ODI against India when along with Asif he bowled a terrific first 10 overs when they made the ball seam around like crazy.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Impressed with Munaf, but Sreesanth has got serious issues (cricketing and otherwise!) and pathan is fairly average! I wouldn't say they are better than Pak even without Shoaib. Both Rana and Asif are better than any of their "pacers".

However, as Majid has said, you have to applaud the selection policy. They could have stuck with the Pathan, Zaheer and RP Singh combo and no-one would have said anything. But they have realised they need pace (well what they define as pace) - and seem to be more penetrative.

I don't think overall our fast bowling is killing our cricket. It's the thinking behind the selection policy that is killing our fast bowlers!

[inzidabest]

It is better as of today. Better spinners. Pacers coming in. Has more variety than the Pakistan attack. Pakistan attack without Shoab is average.

[Majid Khan]

Gul is a good bowler.

:) I've heard that one b4.

No seriously, I'm not being critical of Umar Gul just for the sake of it, he's a committed and hard working youngster, looks to give it his all and bowls very tidily most of the time. The point i'm making is in terms of wicket taking ability, he is about as much of a threat as Venkatesh Prasad was for India, and with due respect to Prasad, he was a decent bowler.. but i'm afraid when you're playing in the subcontinent, as pace bowlers you need to be a bit special to WIN matches for your team.. just being 'decent' or having the ability to bowl a few maiden overs with the odd ball beating the batsman outside off stump, doesn't get you anywhere.

Looking back at the 90s, we keep hearing from Indian fans that the reason India didn't win test matches (leave aside series) abroad was because of its pace bowling.. and that's often the reason given to defend Tendulkar's inability to win matches for India , yet these same fans tell us that Srinath was WORLD CLASS, he was EXPRESS PACE, and that Venkatesh Prasad was a VERY GOOD BOWLER <-- but the question remains, if Srinath and Prasad were really that good, than why did they not win matches for India? does this mean Srinath and Prasad were not 'fine' bowlers? no doubt they were, but they were not STRIKE bowlers who could run through batting line ups, take 5-wicket hauls and win matches! they just did not have that kind of attacking mindset.

And unfortunately, I see Pakistan heading into the same direction if we continue to persist with the current crop of mediocre seamers -- until someone realises that yes these guys are 'decent' , but to win test matches, we need some more firepower!! so lets try out one or two others and see what they have on offer! after all, we've seen what Gul can do or what Rao Iftikhar can do, they're still going to be there for us as 'tried and tested' options if things dont work out with the newcomers.

[Green-Machine]

Some dummies being thrown out of prams but not many sensible answers.......

Let me say once more....

Shoaib is a match winner.

Asif has immense promise.

BUT

Rana, Gul and co are POSSIBLY not as good as the Indian pacers Shreesanth, Pathan and Patel.......


Rather then bury your heads in the sand.....lets just have a think about this???

[aggarwald]

Some dummies being thrown out of prams but not many sensible answers.......

Let me say once more....

Shoaib is a match winner.

Asif has immense promise.

BUT

Rana, Gul and co are POSSIBLY not as good as the Indian pacers Shreesanth, Pathan and Patel.......


Rather then bury your heads in the sand.....lets just have a think about this???

Now this is funny - you Pakis critical of your own bowling and I am defending them ;-)

You must be serious to say that Rana and Gul are worse than Patel, Pathan. I remember a few matches where Rana has troubled Indian batsmen before. Wasn't he instrumental in Pak winning 4-2 last year? He is a top class bowler. Just because he got hammered in the recent ODIs doesn't mean that he is bad. He also bowled very well in Australia.

Problem is that featherbeds like Lahore/Faisalabad make the best of bowlers look bad. I mean, there are flat pitches and then, there are the mother of all flat pitches. That's what Lahore/Faisalabad were. What if Rana had played in Karachi? He would have had a few under his belt and people would have been less critical.

[off_the_hook]

Have you forgotten Asif or something?

He bowled a lot better than SreeSanth and Patel combined.

Asif, Patel, and Sreesanth are all rookies. combined how many tests have the three of them played in?

People here need to stop hyping up Asif and Patel, as they are far too inexperienced. Let them play a couple more test before we pass judgement on them.

Once Patel and Asif preform in more than 6 test matches then they will have my attention. They gonna prove that they are more than a one or two test wonder.

[Tupac]

yaar Green Machine...kyun itna negative? kuch haasil karne ke liye positive hona parta hai. Patel is on debut, Sreesanth has only played a test. They bowled superbly, and we have two of the best spinners. But as shown in Pakistan even they struggle to take wickets on pitches that resemble roads. Let them play a few tests before comparing them. Pakistan's bowling attack has always been better then India's, barring the spin combo.

[Green-Machine]

It's quite funny reading all the childish comments ........as you should know by now...I have NEVER responded to personal insults or to childish remarks and never will........I'm immune to them.....:-)

So once more.......any sensible debate??? I was impressed by Munaf....he lookis better then Gul and Rana ....as does Shreeshanth. Pathan doesn't take many wickets...but does exert some control. Are our bowling resources weak??? Do we need to try the under-19 guys???

I was impressed with Ayubi.....

[Shoaib Akhtar's Fan]

Well i wud definitely choose the Pak bowlers over Indian ones on any given day. Asif is an emerging superstar and so is Umer Gul. Umer Gul also has some pace and can bowl as quick as upto 88-89 mph. Then we have Rana who is a genuine match winner atleast in the ODI's and just because he had one bad series u can't write him off. Besides Kaneria did prove in both the test series aganst India in 2005 and 2006 dat who is more potent - him or the indian spinners !

[Toony™®]

indian seamers all start off well and do well for 12-24 months and some just dissappear or lose their intensity. Munaf is promising especially with the old ball. But, is just been use to balls used domestically.. How will he do with Dukes or Kookaburras rather than the SG balls.

The newcomers have hunger and desire then they become superstars and some of them lose that drive for success.

[Rickz]

In all honesty.......no.

[Team Slayer]

Even without Shoaib, I would think that currently our bowling is better. Asif's a great find, Gul's decent and we have a good crop of young pacers coming through soon...and if you don't think Danish is a match-winner, then you need help (esp. after his performances over the last year). Also, you are over-looking Afridi, who is vital to the team's attack and esp. on day 4, 5 pitches he is extremely dangerous. Also, Rana is one who once in his groove can swing the ball a lot at decent pace. I hope he re-discovers some form and takes some wickets in Tests.

India's fast bowling attack looks not too bad now with Patel showing some superb promise. I still maintain Pathan is very over-rated and not really world class, but with his batting and good new-ball bowling, he can be a vital asset to the Indian team. SreeSanth is not bad, but he has nowhere near the same potential as Munaf Patel. In fact, I would say that Munaf looks like a Pak fast bowler than an Indian fast bowler (tall, strong, quick, swing and the ability to reverse swing). RP Singh is good, but he isn't better tahn either Munaf or SreeSanth.

[Mercenary]

If you dont agree with GM's comments then dont post in his thread, just because GM posts some of the most inane threads imagineable it doesnt mean that its a free license to fill the thread full of rubbish.

Majid Khan, TS, aggarwald and ayubi's comment saved this thread from the bin.

If you cant make a positive contribution to a thread then dont post in that thread at all.

[Green-Machine]

Is it my fault that people cannot debate?????? These threads unfortunately only go to prove another of my theories......Pak supporters are the worst in the world.

I stand by my thread and still invite debate........without Shoaib, I beleiev the Indians ahev gone ahead of us after seeing their new pacers.

[Monsee]

Is it my fault that people cannot debate?????? These threads unfortunately only go to prove another of my theories......Pak supporters are the worst in the world.

I stand by my thread and still invite debate........without Shoaib, I beleiev the Indians ahev gone ahead of us after seeing their new pacers.


Two Questions:

1- How so are Pak supporters the worst in the world...cough cough 'Stadium Burning' rings a bell' cough cough


2- How is Pak bowling so bad all of a sudden; was Shoaib the only one who took wickets in the Karachi test?

That was their 2nd worst defeat ever (only separated by a mere single run with the worst ever)...

That Better bowling lineup allowed us to go from 0-3 then 39-6 to a position where we completely annihilated them!

With all due respect

You need to hit the 'Refresh Memory' button, before starting a thread like this again :21:

[Tariq Jamshed]

India needs to be given credit where it is due, not just in bringing youngsters in - but esp in ODI side, finally dispensing with the old baggage of Kumble, Laxman, Ganguly etc for good. They removed these old slow movers and are a much better fielding side as a result.

Chappell has shown that he is willing to take on powerful interests and big names, that he isn't a status quo guy.

[cavin420]

just to add what monsee has said above................

there was no shoaib akhtar last year when paksitan toured india and the west indies.........


and what happend in those tours everyone knows.........so green machine frankly speaking your on very thin ice here!

[CricketCommentator]

Pak supporters are the worst in the world.
Considering that Pakistani supporters were the ones who actually cheered the touring party on their visit last year to the homeland, while, in return, all they received in exchange were broken bottles and typical old-fashioned slap in the face for not only being visitors, but by wearing a label (for the past 50+ years) of originating from Pakistan, I am not surprised.

[billyoem]

I think we could ask how good India's attack is without Kumble. He puts the pressure on and takes wickets
I agree.
Kumble is the key to India's attack.
Without him, India's attack is very ordinary.

[CricketCommentator]

The thread is very valid. It does raise some good points by fellow members.

As of right now, I would rate Pakistani bowling higher than the Indian bowling line-up, given the recent results and the reasons already mentioned above. Even though Patel is a diamond in the rough find for India, I, for one, am extremely happy that the whole structure of their team has re-shaped with the elimination of Ganguly, Laxman and Agarkar. They consistently need to reshuffle their order in the process of 'try-and-win' games, and with this approach (by bringing Munaf to the International scene), they definitely have hit the jackpot.

[Aurangzeb]

rana is the odd man out and i don't think he can cut it as a test bowler...so right now it looks as if india is better...but if suddenly irshad or another pacer works out at the test level then we have shoaib, asif, and another wicket-taking pacer...its just our selectors don't take risks...

[in_cutter]

These threads unfortunately only go to prove another of my theories......Pak supporters are the worst in the world.

my my now this is going too far...GM it is you who post's all these negative thread's without any back-up (Monsee and Cavin have corrected you above)...and to say we are the worst fan's in the world is offensive.

We HAVE WON important matches without Shoaib Akhtar...that's saying something about our back-up bowlers.

[Easa]

Our back up bowlers are still better than "Big Nostrils" and "The Bhaurach Express".

Rana Naved has had a bad series, that doesn't make him a bad bowler.

Asif has shown he is a very good bowler in his short Intl career, and Gul is decent.

[Green-Machine]

The reason why we need to examine our fast bowling resources are :-

1) Shoaib.....World class match winning bowler........BUT fitness a huge issue....do not underestimate the effect of operations on bothe knees. Remember his is now past 30. Have we seen the best of him and will he ever be fully fit??

2) Asif.....very promising bowler....in fact we are hugely dependent on him fulfilling his promise.

3) Umur gul.....the one test wonder. Frankly, I have seen nothing to suggest that he will become a world class bowler.

4) Rana.... he is good but is he good enough??? Age is not on his side either....he is past 30 also. Seriously caned in the recent series. Has he lost confidence or it just one bad series?

5) Razak.... a bits and pieces bowler...should not be playing tests despite the Karachi wonder show.

6) Arafat......not good enough at test level.

7) Irshad...over-hyped by this board. Lets see him in action before we judge him though.

8) Najaf....as for Irshad.

9) Yasir Ali ....as for irshad.


So my question was VERY valid. Are indians ahead of us now in bowling??

I think they are - I think we should introduce the under-19 guys - NOW!

[Monsee]

The reason why we need to examine our fast bowling resources are :-

1) Shoaib.....World class match winning bowler........BUT fitness a huge issue....do not underestimate the effect of operations on bothe knees. Remember his is now past 30. Have we seen the best of him and will he ever be fully fit??

2) Asif.....very promising bowler....in fact we are hugely dependent on him fulfilling his promise.

3) Umur gul.....the one test wonder. Frankly, I have seen nothing to suggest that he will become a world class bowler.

4) Rana.... he is good but is he good enough??? Age is not on his side either....he is past 30 also. Seriously caned in the recent series. Has he lost confidence or it just one bad series?

5) Razak.... a bits and pieces bowler...should not be playing tests despite the Karachi wonder show.

6) Arafat......not good enough at test level.

7) Irshad...over-hyped by this board. Lets see him in action before we judge him though.

8) Najaf....as for Irshad.

9) Yasir Ali ....as for irshad.


So my question was VERY valid. Are indians ahead of us now in bowling??

I think they are - I think we should introduce the under-19 guys - NOW!



Oh my my, now we are really making some sense ::J :26:

[Green-Machine]

Shaf......Pak supporters worst in the world...

YES!! Have you attended any live games???

Have you heard the language our guys use?? Have you heard the level of abuse hurled at our own players??? How many times do you see our supporters (in the UK i refer to) clap the opposition?? How many Pak supporters attend a cricket match for patriotic reasosn and have no understanding of cricket whatsoever?? Have you heard how our fans react to defeat?? Have you seen our fans magnanimous in victory? Have you seen any other fans invade the pitch so often?? Go and check the other cricket boards and see how they react when a fellow supporter offers constructive criticism of their team--- how many other teams supporters act like spoilt babies??

Yes - our fans are the worst in my humble opinion.....

[Easa]

Shaf......Pak supporters worst in the world...

YES!! Have you attended any live games???

Have you heard the language our guys use?? Have you heard the level of abuse hurled at our own players??? How many times do you see our supporters (in the UK i refer to) clap the opposition?? How many Pak supporters attend a cricket match for patriotic reasosn and have no understanding of cricket whatsoever?? Have you heard how our fans react to defeat?? Have you seen our fans magnanimous in victory? Have you seen any other fans invade the pitch so often?? Go and check the other cricket boards and see how they react when a fellow supporter offers constructive criticism of their team--- how many other teams supporters act like spoilt babies??

Yes - our fans are the worst in my humble opinion.....

Now I have a question: Did you see the Karachi ODI in the 2004 series?

Our fan's were amazing, they applauded the Indian team, and supported them throughout the series.

When we went to India, we had stuff hurled at us. :21:

[Green-Machine]

easatheman....

Point taken........I am referring to our UK fans and our internet fans....

[Muddaser]

easatheman....

Point taken........I am referring to our UK fans and our internet fans....

Then why didnt you say that?

Just cause some UK PAK supporters are BAD doesnt mean the rest of them are.

[Mercenary]

easatheman....

Point taken........I am referring to our UK fans and our internet fans....

The problem with you GM is that you post without thinking.

Why are internet fans being lumped with some UK supporters?

Indian fans are just as bad in the UK because both teams attract young supporters. English fans are usually older and more mature.

One day you claim Irfan Pathan is the best bowler in the world, then a few days later after he has one bad match you take it all back again.

You dont seem to want to think through what you are posting.

[Team Slayer]

The problem with you GM is that you post without thinking.

Why are internet fans being lumped with some UK supporters?

Indian fans are just as bad in the UK because both teams attract young supporters. English fans are usually older and more mature.

One day you claim Irfan Pathan is the best bowler in the world, then a few days later after he has one bad match you take it all back again.

You dont seem to want to think through what you are posting.

agree with the post. GM, with all due respect...pehlay tolo, phir bolo.

[in_cutter]

Shaf......Pak supporters worst in the world...

YES!! Have you attended any live games???

Have you heard the language our guys use?? Have you heard the level of abuse hurled at our own players??? How many times do you see our supporters (in the UK i refer to) clap the opposition?? How many Pak supporters attend a cricket match for patriotic reasosn and have no understanding of cricket whatsoever?? Have you heard how our fans react to defeat?? Have you seen our fans magnanimous in victory? Have you seen any other fans invade the pitch so often?? Go and check the other cricket boards and see how they react when a fellow supporter offers constructive criticism of their team--- how many other teams supporters act like spoilt babies??

Yes - our fans are the worst in my humble opinion.....

i've been to live UK matches....not all of us are BAD, you are just generalising.

[Mercenary]

i've been to live UK matches....not all of us are BAD, you are just generalising.

He's definitely generalising, I think he only meant u

[BD-fan]

What happened when balaji came into the scene? Same thing is happening now. Hype. New talents are being tested by the Indian selectors. One match here one match there or a series here and a series there proves nothing. The only performer, stabled in the indian attack, is Pathan who has dropped speed at least 10km. He is no longer a fast bowler but a medium pacer alrounder. These new boys must put more games under their belts before the final judgement is made. But credit should be given to Chappel and co. for boldly selecting new comers for important test series. Just because they have a very strong batting lineup they can afford to do so. Similarly Asif holds the key but did not play enough games.

On Rana, that was the best thing happening to Pakistan in the indian tour. trying out u-19 is fine but they must be nurtured before handing out a heavy load. If they physically and mentally ready there should be no problem. The more are tested the better it is for the long run. Rana is not washed out, Nor is Shabbir or Gul.

When the question is asked which team has a better bowling attack why would someone want to exclude Shoaib? Spin department Kaneria vs Kumble, Kumble wins. Pacers: pakistan wins hands down.

[aggarwald]

Considering that Pakistani supporters were the ones who actually cheered the touring party on their visit last year to the homeland, while, in return, all they received in exchange were broken bottles and typical old-fashioned slap in the face for not only being visitors, but by wearing a label (for the past 50+ years) of originating from Pakistan, I am not surprised.

Cool down mate. Agreed Pakis were very good hosts. But we were not bad either. Just because we didn't cheer your team, we are bad? ;-)

[Uzzy]

First of all don't use the word 'Pakis' it's a derogatory remark. And secondly a host crowd which throws stones and bottles onto the pitch and out our players are not good hosts.

[aggarwald]

First of all don't use the word 'Pakis' it's a derogatory remark. And secondly a host crowd which throws stones and bottles onto the pitch and out our players are not good hosts.

No point in starting a useless tu-tu-main-main. Each one to his own.

[James]

I feel that Pakistan's attack when it has Shoaib Akhtar in it is one of the best, and certainly better than India's. He has such an array of line, length and speed and can end an innings in one spell. They also have Asif who looks a good prospect, and when Rana is in form he is dangerous too. Kaneria can win matches for Pakistan.

India's attack has Patel who has looked good, Kumble who is a very very good bowler. Apart from that they arent that good. Harbhajan is one of the most overrated spinners ever and Pathan is pretty useless unless the conditions greatly favour him.

Some are saying people shouldn't get ahead of themselves about Patel after 1 test, but Asif is hardly a test veteran either, and you all seem to rate him very highly. What's that all about? Give Patel his due credit as well.

Without the Akhtar factor, I would still rate Pakistan's attack above India's, but it becomes a lot closer.

[nafajafam]

Pathan is only good with the new ball.
Sree, RP, Patel are new in the test arena, have to wait and see how they do over some period.
Kumble is a very good bowler.
Harby is over-rated, we all know how he has been doing for sometime now.

Rana has done well over the past 2 years. He is out of form in this series, no need to write him off.
Asif is new, have to see how he does over some period.
Razzaq and Afridi are good bowlers, take crucial wickets.
Shoaib, we all know what he is capable of.

So, Pakistan still have the edge over India in my opinion.

GM, you called Gul a 'one test wonder' but forgot to see that Patel, Sree and RP havent played many tests either. Even they could be 'one test wonders' for all you know !!

[Swaraj!!]

No question about it....Pakistan is not JUST BETTER but miles ahead in terms of bowling even without Shoiab Akhtar. Each of their bowlers (even the so called trundlers) look like taking a wicket all the time. I can count on one hand the instances any bowler from India has looked like taking a wicket per match. Its just the opposition batsmen that make our bowlers look much better they are.

[cavin420]

how this thread is still alive is beyond me............

[waqar_ahmad]

:))) :)))

This turbanator is a joke. But he is a good manipulator of media that has made him a turbanator out of a trashanator. Every time he takes a few wickets on pitches specially tailor made for him, he appears on the tv channels beating his own trumpet about what a great bowler he is and when he doesn't take wickets, he always has a convenient excuse (I was injured, ICC didn't allow me to bowl doosra, I bowled better under Ganguly, etc. etc.). Sound of an empty vessel.

But he is not a bad ODI bowler though. He has become difficult to score runs off after he started bowling round the wicket. It worked against SA, SL and NZ. But this is yet to be tested against Aus and Pak. And his fielding has also improved tremendously.

hey man where have u bene all these days. good to see an honest indian supporter here who knows cricket and knows what he is talking abt. i also think that harbajan cannot take wickets unless he gets a roughed up broken dusty pitch.

but i liked balaji as a bowler. i think he had a good outswinger and good surprise in dipper. i dont know yy they kicked him out

[waqar_ahmad]

how this thread is still alive is beyond me............

man i dont know y this was started in the first place.

[Slugger]

hey man where have u bene all these days. good to see an honest indian supporter here who knows cricket and knows what he is talking abt. i also think that harbajan cannot take wickets unless he gets a roughed up broken dusty pitch.

but i liked balaji as a bowler. i think he had a good outswinger and good surprise in dipper. i dont know yy they kicked him out


because he had fights with the management and he was arguing with the brass...

[inzidabest]

I for years have been a fan of Pakistan attack. The thread topic is about Indian attack being better than the Pakistan attack of today and I completely agree with it.

There is morer variety in the Indian attack. Pacers have set in. Munaf , Sreesanth and they swing the ball too.
Pathan can do wonders in swining conditions.
India has a much better spinner too.

I have no issues in accepting that the Indian attack is better.

[Asim2Good]

3) Umur gul.....the one test wonder. Frankly, I have seen nothing to suggest that he will become a world class bowler.

4) Rana.... he is good but is he good enough??? Age is not on his side either....he is past 30 also. Seriously caned in the recent series. Has he lost confidence or it just one bad series?

6) Arafat......not good enough at test level.


I think they are - I think we should introduce the under-19 guys - NOW!

3) Umar Gul - one teat wonder, OK. and u r saying Sreesanth and Patel are better then him even when htey have played ONLY 1 test each as well ? why don't compare them when they also come back (hope they don't get any tho) from back injury like Gul did ? How many times u have seen Patel/Sreesanth bowling except few international matches ?
4) Rana : Age is problem ? look back at some worl class bowlers and their ages as well, age is not a problem at all. Hope he continue to perform. you are questioning ur own thought as well (bold text in ur post)
6) Arafat : Has he been tried at test level ?

U19 guys : are u serious to bring them in team NOW ? why don't teach them a bit more and then threw them i nat international level. Look at Indian U19 guy, even pitch was helping spinners, but Rahul Dravid didn't give him many overs. he was hammered in 1st Inn and lost his confidence in 2nd Inn (i only saw his overs on 4th day), he didn't spin, didn't toss the ball and was jsut flat. U19 guys need experience

[jusarrived]

Without the Akhtar factor, I would still rate Pakistan's attack above India's, but it becomes a lot closer.

most ppl wud agree with this...i think pakistan a better attack for tests though they desperatly need to find a quality spinner...but india has a more varied attack for ODI's than pak's(including Aktahr).

[inzidabest]

I want to respond to Rudi Haters thread which has been closed by Merc. I have already presented my views on this topic.
The thread topic was "Is this an Indian cricket Forum" and the thread has been closed. Merc gave an explaination that because Pakistan is not playing, that is why we are discussing India.
If you remember few weeks back pakistan was playing India and this site had more threads for India than Pakistan. Infact there were threads which were praising Dhoni. Threads praising Shoab Malik were missing. Some England fan posters conveniently ridiculed Pakistan and I strongly objected to that.And in response one of the mods sent me a mail that If I do not like it here , I should stop posting here. I still politely requested the mods to keep a check on number of posts on India. After all it is a Pakistan cricket site. Yes we should discuss other teams but we should discuss Pakistan cricket more than any other team.

I hope I have put my point across in a polite manner.

[XFactor]

3) Umar Gul - one teat wonder

:O :O :O

[sehsan]

I feel that Pakistan's attack when it has Shoaib Akhtar in it is one of the best, and certainly better than India's. He has such an array of line, length and speed and can end an innings in one spell. They also have Asif who looks a good prospect, and when Rana is in form he is dangerous too. Kaneria can win matches for Pakistan.

India's attack has Patel who has looked good, Kumble who is a very very good bowler. Apart from that they arent that good. Harbhajan is one of the most overrated spinners ever and Pathan is pretty useless unless the conditions greatly favour him.

Some are saying people shouldn't get ahead of themselves about Patel after 1 test, but Asif is hardly a test veteran either, and you all seem to rate him very highly. What's that all about? Give Patel his due credit as well.

Without the Akhtar factor, I would still rate Pakistan's attack above India's, but it becomes a lot closer.

Spot on, summed it up nicely buddy. Patel is a good prospect but pakistan bowling attack is definetly better in all conditions

[waqar_ahmad]

guys forget abt us being good hosts. this thread is for some other debate. although I dont agree with GM, iknow what he is trying to say. Pakistan has alwasys had genuine pacemen like imran, wasim and waqar, then shoaib and Mohammad Sami. no team can boast of so many pacers who can just undo the opposition with pace. that is what i think GM wants in the team. the likes of asif, rana, gul, Abdul Razzaq, rao ifthakhar are all medium pacers. and we r not used to seeing that. in fact, our strength has always been tour extremely quick fast bowlers running through the opposition with shear pace and reverse swing.

I agree with GM that we need someone like that, specially in absence of shoaib. i would never play rana, gul, asif and Abdul Razzaq together just coz they r all medium pacers and barring rana, and to some extent asif, all of them need the pitch and conditions to help them. I would have selected Mohammad Sami or Irshad coz they r very fast.

But I dont agree with Gm that our bowling attakc is weaker than india's. we r still way up there. just coz a guy came in and got a few wickets in a match doesnt mean that they have suddenly gained superiority. we still have a top class bowling attack, matched only by england. even the aussies are crumbling now and finding it hard to get replacements. look at our backup. good and talented bowlers

[waqar_ahmad]

because he had fights with the management and he was arguing with the brass...

hmm i didnt know that. thanks for the info. so it wasnt any of his bad performances then?

[waqar_ahmad]

most ppl wud agree with this...i think pakistan a better attack for tests though they desperatly need to find a quality spinner...but india has a more varied attack for ODI's than pak's(including Aktahr).

i think kaneria is a quality spinner. he is still learning, but he is good

[inzidabest]

i think kaneria is a quality spinner. he is still learning, but he is good

You think so. His action is too demanding. I dont think he will last long as other leg spinners.

[jusarrived]

i think kaneria is a quality spinner. he is still learning, but he is good


pak team prefers arshad khan over him for ODI..hw can u rate a bowler as world class who isnt even considered for one form of the game...hes avg at best!

[James]

As for the "obligation" for Pakistan cricket being discussed by far the most on here, I dont agree. This forum is called Cricket forum, not Pakistani Cricket forum. Obviously the majority here are Team Pakistan fans because it is a site dedicated to Pakistan cricket, but this forum is a different story. It is for general cricket discussion. We also have quite a few India and England fans, and the odd Australia/Saffie/Windies fan if I remember correctly. Besides, if we discuss multiple teams the banter is more interesting. :P

[sehsan]

pak team prefers arshad khan over him for ODI..hw can u rate a bowler as world class who isnt even considered for one form of the game...hes avg at best!

I thought there is a HUGE difference b/w test and onedays?

[waqar_ahmad]

pak team prefers arshad khan over him for ODI..hw can u rate a bowler as world class who isnt even considered for one form of the game...hes avg at best!

tests and ODIs r different things. in ur post u said that in the tests pakistan needs a good spinner, and thats when i said kaneria is good. i never said he is good in ODIs. But the reason for him not playing ODIs is the fact that we have so many options that we cant fit him in. i know that he hasnt performed in a few ODIs he has played, but if inzi and bob seriously think abt kaneria playing one day cricket, they have to give him an extended go. and for that, i dont know will be replaced by kaneria

[Monsee]

As for the "obligation" for Pakistan cricket being discussed by far the most on here, I dont agree. This forum is called Cricket forum, not Pakistani Cricket forum. Obviously the majority here are Team Pakistan fans because it is a site dedicated to Pakistan cricket, but this forum is a different story. It is for general cricket discussion. We also have quite a few India and England fans, and the odd Australia/Saffie/Windies fan if I remember correctly. Besides, if we discuss multiple teams the banter is more interesting. :P



I can understand your need to engage in talk about others teams right now :21:

[James]

:23:

To be fair I have hardly hidden since our loss in Mohali.

[Monsee]

:23:

To be fair I have hardly hidden since our loss in Mohali.



So you were thinking about it and did try for a short while...bad bad Squash (Orange or lemon Squah???) :P

[James]

Even if Pak beat England 4-0 in the summer picking up an innings victory in every game, I will be on here defending England players :10:

[Monsee]

Even if Pak beat England 4-0 in the summer picking up an innings victory in every game, I will be on here defending England players :10:



Now now no need to feel so insecure about your team's chances against Pak; I think Pak will ONLY win 5-0, with maybe one or two innings victories only :P :21:

Now I need to take those pills that the Indian fans usually take after bigging up their team's chances :D

[Gasherbrum]

pak team prefers arshad khan over him for ODI..hw can u rate a bowler as world class who isnt even considered for one form of the game...hes avg at best!

right.
hoggard doesn't play many ODIs for england, yet he's one of the top bowlers in test cricket (#4 in the LG rankings).
other factors keep kaneria out of the ODI team, his fielding and batting being two of them. also, fielding restrictions don't help much.

[Nakhuda]

Someone tell me about Pakistan's up-and-coming pacemen like are there any new really fast bowlers to look forward too??.

[akpower]

India's bowling atack isn't too bad right now. The quality of attack has fallen, and w/o shoaib i have to say that they do have it better right now!

[in_cutter]

Abid Nabi is roumoured to be picked for India very soon (he apparently bowls fast as Shoaib Akhtar)

http://htcricket.com/htcricket/7947_1650541,00160119.htm

[Muddaser]

Someone tell me about Pakistan's up-and-coming pacemen like are there any new really fast bowlers to look forward too??.

Irshad and Akhtar Ayub.

Theres a video of Irshad in the cricket clips forum.

[Muddaser]

Abid Nabi is roumoured to be picked for India very soon (he apparently bowls fast as Shoaib Akhtar)

http://htcricket.com/htcricket/7947_1650541,00160119.htm

LOL

And then it says in the second paragraph that he bowls around 140-145kph. :)))

[in_cutter]

LOL

And then it says in the second paragraph that he bowls around 140-145kph. :)))

lol exactly

[Muddaser]

I'm pretty sure VRV Singh, Abid Nabi and Munaf can clock 145kph occasionally.

That aint express though. Something even the likes of Yasir Arafat, Rana and Akhtar Ayub have managed.

[in_cutter]

I'm pretty sure VRV Singh, Abid Nabi and Munaf can clock 145kph occasionally.

That aint express though. Something even the likes of Yasir Arafat, Rana and Akhtar Ayub have managed.

Akhtar Ayub was consistent with his pace...around 87-88mph

[Muddaser]

Akhtar Ayub was consistent with his pace...around 87-88mph


Akhtar Ayub looked very good.

Not only was he quick, he had a good bouncer and was the only bowler in the game to get movement off the pitch.

His action looks very good too. Dont see him getting many injuries. Gets his pace from his quick arm.

Not to forget his aggression. :P

[in_cutter]

Akhtar Ayub looked very good.

Not only was he quick, he had a good bouncer and was the only bowler in the game to get movement off the pitch.

His action looks very good too. Dont see him getting many injuries. Gets his pace from his quick arm.

Not to forget his aggression. :P

That bouncer in the final was lethal, serious pace and straight. Definately a prospect.

[sehsan]

Akhtar Ayub looked very good.

Not only was he quick, he had a good bouncer and was the only bowler in the game to get movement off the pitch.

His action looks very good too. Dont see him getting many injuries. Gets his pace from his quick arm.

Not to forget his aggression. :P

and add to that he was using the crease very well

[Slugger]

I'm pretty sure VRV Singh, Abid Nabi and Munaf can clock 145kph occasionally.

That aint express though. Something even the likes of Yasir Arafat, Rana and Akhtar Ayub have managed.

yasir arafat turned out to be nothing but a deep 130s fast-medium...rana's pace has deteriorated and akhtar ayub is way too young.

[Muddaser]

yasir arafat turned out to be nothing but a deep 130s fast-medium...rana's pace has deteriorated and akhtar ayub is way too young.

But they have managed to clock 90mph or there abouts.

Isnt too difficult these days.

[Lightning]

India's pace attack is improving. Let's just leave it at that.

[fast&furious]

because he had fights with the management and he was arguing with the brass...

Balaji hasn't been kicked out the indian team... he's still out with an injury.
The guy's currently getting treatment in Melbourne. I think it was a shoulder problem or somthing.

As for the thread... its a joke right.. Pakistan's bowling attack is much better than India's bowling attack. Akhtar or no Akhtar they still have a better bowling attack.

[Invictus]

One test to be specific one innings and suddenly India has a better bowling attack. We did beat them in a test series just now did'nt we? We ran through thier line-up with-in a day. We ran thourgh England's line-up couple of times and yet we are having this discussion. I saw Patel he is as fast as Rana. He needs some more time to even be considered a threat. And besides I am not insecure. So any time a new "wonder boy" emerges on the other side I dont start questioning my team's ability.

[pakistani_banda]

my friend, my buddie , my amigo, mate!!!!!

i see you have left out the best bowler from both the sides out....how could you??? i cant belive this......how dare you leave THE TIRBUNATOR OUT....HARBHAJJAN SINGH, the best bowler by a mile from both the teams.......hes a stand out......i dont agree without him the indian attack is better then PAKISTAN, i think if you include him then yes indian bowling attack is way wayyyyyyy better then pakistan , i hope you dont ever dream of overlooking harbhajjan singh again ;-)


how could u guys leave out "THE BEAST" afridi, i say his bowling is quite devastating and he can play in any match condition

[James]

"Quite devastating"? AHAHAHAHAHA!

It is decent leg spin, nothing more. The fact that it was so effective against England says a lot about how poorly we played spin in Pakistan.

[Uzzy]

I wouldn't say Afridi's leg spin is devastating, but a useful bowling asset to the team. He's renowned for being called the partnership breaker and picks up important wickets in crucial times. Has a good record against Aus. He's taken a 5 fer againt them if im not mistaken.

[Swaraj!!]

As for the "obligation" for Pakistan cricket being discussed by far the most on here, I dont agree. This forum is called Cricket forum, not Pakistani Cricket forum. Obviously the majority here are Team Pakistan fans because it is a site dedicated to Pakistan cricket, but this forum is a different story. It is for general cricket discussion. We also have quite a few India and England fans, and the odd Australia/Saffie/Windies fan if I remember correctly. Besides, if we discuss multiple teams the banter is more interesting. :P

Infact Whippy....take a look at the title bar....this site is PakPassion-Pakistan Cricket Forum.

I am just glad that they allow other country games/players etc posts because I have found this the most interesting forum out of the millions there.

Although if the Mods do decide that enough is enough then they have full right to kick us out. Hope they dont though.

On the topic.....Consider Pakistan's Attack....All of their bowlers have run through whole sides atleast a number of times. How many bowlers are there in the Indian team who have run through complete sides. Maybe for a period of the game they might have been on top but not throughout. I just Imagine one fine day All of Pakistan's bowlers bowl as they are capable of. Historically, Pakistan is the only team apart from West Indies who has had the capability to bowl a side out for under 50. They might not be as good now but certainly are ahead of the Indians.

Indian Bowling Currently is good enough when considered as a Whole....Pathan's good at top, Kumble and Patel in Middle and with Older ball, Others are bonuses if they have a good day.

[amit]

india, does have the best bowling attack in the world and indias bowling is highly underrated. look at indias bowling attack -

irfan pathan - has the ability to produce reverse swing and is more of a line and length type of bowler. has the ability to pick up the early wickets and give india a good start with the ball. also, provides a useful support to the spinners.

munaf patel - an express fast bowler who bowled at speeds of over 140+ kph consistently including bowling at 145.9 kph in the 2nd test against eng picking 7 wickets. has a good yorker and reverse-swing and gets most of his wickets out bowled. however, munaf, tends to bowl well with the older ball.

anil kumble - no.1 spinner in the world and has over 500+ wickets. also, has won many matches for india.

harbhajan singh - turbanated the aussies in 2001 taking 32 wickets in just 3 tests. does well whenever he gets the chance, otherwise bowls well even when he isnt picking wickets and creates the rough patches for other bowlers to exploit.

and rp singh and sree santh r 2 other good fast bowlers who have done well recently with sree santh, picking up 4 wickets in his debut test.

[Nauman]

india, does have the best bowling attack in the world and indias bowling is highly underrated. look at indias bowling attack -

irfan pathan - has the ability to produce reverse swing and is more of a line and length type of bowler. has the ability to pick up the early wickets and give india a good start with the ball. also, provides a useful support to the spinners.

munaf patel - an express fast bowler who bowled at speeds of over 140+ kph consistently including bowling at 145.9 kph in the 2nd test against eng picking 7 wickets. has a good yorker and reverse-swing and gets most of his wickets out bowled. however, munaf, tends to bowl well with the older ball.

anil kumble - no.1 spinner in the world and has over 500+ wickets. also, has won many matches for india.

harbhajan singh - turbanated the aussies in 2001 taking 32 wickets in just 3 tests. does well whenever he gets the chance, otherwise bowls well even when he isnt picking wickets and creates the rough patches for other bowlers to exploit.

and rp singh and sree santh r 2 other good fast bowlers who have done well recently with sree santh, picking up 4 wickets in his debut test.
This post gives a whole new meaning to the phrase living in lala land.

[Shoaib Akhtar's Fan]

india, does have the best bowling attack in the world and indias bowling is highly underrated. look at indias bowling attack -

irfan pathan - has the ability to produce reverse swing and is more of a line and length type of bowler. has the ability to pick up the early wickets and give india a good start with the ball. also, provides a useful support to the spinners.

munaf patel - an express fast bowler who bowled at speeds of over 140+ kph consistently including bowling at 145.9 kph in the 2nd test against eng picking 7 wickets. has a good yorker and reverse-swing and gets most of his wickets out bowled. however, munaf, tends to bowl well with the older ball.

anil kumble - no.1 spinner in the world and has over 500+ wickets. also, has won many matches for india.

harbhajan singh - turbanated the aussies in 2001 taking 32 wickets in just 3 tests. does well whenever he gets the chance, otherwise bowls well even when he isnt picking wickets and creates the rough patches for other bowlers to exploit.

and rp singh and sree santh r 2 other good fast bowlers who have done well recently with sree santh, picking up 4 wickets in his debut test.

:))) Heyy dude u do have a wicked sense of humour. Good for u! :19:

[inzidabest]

india, does have the best bowling attack in the world and indias bowling is highly underrated. look at indias bowling attack -

irfan pathan - has the ability to produce reverse swing and is more of a line and length type of bowler. has the ability to pick up the early wickets and give india a good start with the ball. also, provides a useful support to the spinners.

munaf patel - an express fast bowler who bowled at speeds of over 140+ kph consistently including bowling at 145.9 kph in the 2nd test against eng picking 7 wickets. has a good yorker and reverse-swing and gets most of his wickets out bowled. however, munaf, tends to bowl well with the older ball.

anil kumble - no.1 spinner in the world and has over 500+ wickets. also, has won many matches for india.

harbhajan singh - turbanated the aussies in 2001 taking 32 wickets in just 3 tests. does well whenever he gets the chance, otherwise bowls well even when he isnt picking wickets and creates the rough patches for other bowlers to exploit.

and rp singh and sree santh r 2 other good fast bowlers who have done well recently with sree santh, picking up 4 wickets in his debut test.


anil kumble no 1 spinner in the world :)))
Is he your relative.

[inzidabest]

Infact Whippy....take a look at the title bar....this site is PakPassion-Pakistan Cricket Forum.

I am just glad that they allow other country games/players etc posts because I have found this the most interesting forum out of the millions there.

Although if the Mods do decide that enough is enough then they have full right to kick us out. Hope they dont though.

On the topic.....Consider Pakistan's Attack....All of their bowlers have run through whole sides atleast a number of times. How many bowlers are there in the Indian team who have run through complete sides. Maybe for a period of the game they might have been on top but not throughout. I just Imagine one fine day All of Pakistan's bowlers bowl as they are capable of. Historically, Pakistan is the only team apart from West Indies who has had the capability to bowl a side out for under 50. They might not be as good now but certainly are ahead of the Indians.

Indian Bowling Currently is good enough when considered as a Whole....Pathan's good at top, Kumble and Patel in Middle and with Older ball, Others are bonuses if they have a good day.

It is a Pakistan cricket site and that is why I request the mods to restrict the posts on other teams. Indian team is discussed as though this is an Indian cricket site. We do not discuss WI , NZ , SA . do we?

[Uzzy]

india, does have the best bowling attack in the world and indias bowling is highly underrated. look at indias bowling attack -

irfan pathan - has the ability to produce reverse swing and is more of a line and length type of bowler. has the ability to pick up the early wickets and give india a good start with the ball. also, provides a useful support to the spinners.

munaf patel - an express fast bowler who bowled at speeds of over 140+ kph consistently including bowling at 145.9 kph in the 2nd test against eng picking 7 wickets. has a good yorker and reverse-swing and gets most of his wickets out bowled. however, munaf, tends to bowl well with the older ball.

anil kumble - no.1 spinner in the world and has over 500+ wickets. also, has won many matches for india.

harbhajan singh - turbanated the aussies in 2001 taking 32 wickets in just 3 tests. does well whenever he gets the chance, otherwise bowls well even when he isnt picking wickets and creates the rough patches for other bowlers to exploit.

and rp singh and sree santh r 2 other good fast bowlers who have done well recently with sree santh, picking up 4 wickets in his debut test.

:))) :))) :)))

[in_cutter]

It is a Pakistan cricket site and that is why I request the mods to restrict the posts on other teams. Indian team is discussed as though this is an Indian cricket site. We do not discuss WI , NZ , SA . do we?


So what' s wrong that? Pak/India are arch rivals, which is why the Indian team is discussed in this forum.

[amarmak]

man amit... why weren't you in the Indian Laughter Challenge...

You would have won... hahahahahahha u crack me up

[amit]

i cant understand y r u guys laughing at my post. i have the facts and u ppl cant run away from the facts. the fact is that india has the no.1 bowling attack in the world currently and also indias bowling attack is the most underrated.

[omf52]

yeh i agree its an underrated attack and they have some effective bowlers but kumble isnt the best spinner in the world, no way

[Shoaib Akhtar's Fan]

i cant understand y r u guys laughing at my post. i have the facts and u ppl cant run away from the facts. the fact is that india has the no.1 bowling attack in the world currently and also indias bowling attack is the most underrated.

buddy i've already told u dat u have a gud sense of humour so plz we don't want u 2 repeat ne of ur jokes !

[Farhad]

"Quite devastating"? AHAHAHAHAHA!

It is decent leg spin, nothing more. The fact that it was so effective against England says a lot about how poorly we played spin in Pakistan.


Whippy

Afridi's bowling is one of the main reasons we beat India in Bangalore Test - he took out Laxman, Ganguly and his bunny Tendulkar (three times in the Series) on the last fateful day for the Indians, through awkward fastish leg-spin to leave parosees on the mat and all battered and stunned.

[James]

One good performance papering over a load of average days then? Sounds a bit like his batting.

[Uzzy]

One good performance papering over a load of average days then? Sounds a bit like his batting.

Really? Have you had a look at his test bowling stats? No? I thought not.

[James]

Come on man, you know most of the reason I do this is a wind up. It always works as well.

[Uzzy]

Come on man, you know most of the reason I do this is a wind up. It always works as well.

Well, you must be winding me up good if i take it this seriously. :P

No it's just that he has improved loads recently and i don't like it when people put him down. And about his dismissal today well thats the way he plays in ODI.

[James]

I think today has given me a snippet of how difficult it will be to be a poster on here during the Eng-Pak summer series, regardless of result...

[aggarwald]

This post gives a whole new meaning to the phrase living in lala land.
Can't blame him. Must have grown up on the hype churned out by countless Indian TV channels, newspapers who know zilch about cricket.

[aggarwald]

india, does have the best bowling attack in the world and indias bowling is highly underrated. look at indias bowling attack -

irfan pathan - has the ability to produce reverse swing and is more of a line and length type of bowler. has the ability to pick up the early wickets and give india a good start with the ball. also, provides a useful support to the spinners.

munaf patel - an express fast bowler who bowled at speeds of over 140+ kph consistently including bowling at 145.9 kph in the 2nd test against eng picking 7 wickets. has a good yorker and reverse-swing and gets most of his wickets out bowled. however, munaf, tends to bowl well with the older ball.

anil kumble - no.1 spinner in the world and has over 500+ wickets. also, has won many matches for india.

harbhajan singh - turbanated the aussies in 2001 taking 32 wickets in just 3 tests. does well whenever he gets the chance, otherwise bowls well even when he isnt picking wickets and creates the rough patches for other bowlers to exploit.

and rp singh and sree santh r 2 other good fast bowlers who have done well recently with sree santh, picking up 4 wickets in his debut test.
Can't blame you. Must have grown up on the hype churned out by countless Indian TV channels, newspapers who know zilch about cricket.

I wish even 10% of what you said was true. But we can dream, can't we?

[Farhad]

One good performance papering over a load of average days then? Sounds a bit like his batting.

Well! It was the last Test in India and we had to win to draw level. We needed some real quick runs on the fourth day in the second innings, and there Afridi scored Test cricket history's second-fastest 50, incredibly when the Indians were bowling negatively. He absolutely savaged and plundered a bewildered and stunned Pathan, clobbering him for some massive pulls and straight drives. The Indian was so much into shock that he, at fine leg, spilled a catch on the shot that took Afridi to the blazing 50, as the Baroda genius helped the ball over the boundary. When it was Afridi's turn to bowl, and we needed to bowl India out on the last day, he turned the tables on the chokers who had taken the weasel option, claiming the main aces in a hurry.

I would say, such one good performance is more than welcome and covers for other relative failures even if it happens once in a Series! Why? Because it was crunch time, and the dude delivered magnificently when the nation was itching for a match-winning decisive impact. That's why he is called an impact player by Bob.

BTW, if you check his Test record especially in the last year or so, and also ODI record, your claim that he delivers once in a while is very misplaced.

[James]

Seems like people still havent clocked onto the fact that I am only winding them up, despite the fact I've admitted it...

[aggarwald]

i cant understand y r u guys laughing at my post. i have the facts and u ppl cant run away from the facts. the fact is that india has the no.1 bowling attack in the world currently and also indias bowling attack is the most underrated.

That will be a waste of your and everyone else's energy. If you think this way, then no amount of convincing you will help.

[Farhad]

Seems like people still havent clocked onto the fact that I am only winding them up, despite the fact I've admitted it...


Alright, so you really are not an Afridi-sceptic then IF you really were doing just a wind-up. :P

[James]

I am an Afridi sceptic in that I think Pakistan fans overhype him a tad. But I still think he is a good cricketer.

Dhoni however is VERY overhyped and I hardly rate him.

[Farhad]

Dhoni however is VERY overhyped and I hardly rate him.

I have the same idea after watching him bat like a clumsy clown in the crunch Karachi Test. :26: :19: