Can Razzaq do a botham tomorrow and Kaneria -- bob willis

[nedian21]

miracles do happen. do u guys think that Razzaq can make a ton tomorrow and simulate botham's heroics oj headingly. Razzaq has to do something like that if he has to become a test class allrounder. tomorrow he has the chance. may i m too much optimistic. but u never know ; ;-)

[in_cutter]

doubt it

[Officer Barbrady]

Some of these threads need to be merged..

[Sheikh_Ji]

I believe he can do it...and Akmal can give him good support.
there will be a period of 10-15 overs of play...when the Indians will have a new ball...if these two can play out that period.....they can take the game away from Indians....
Optimistic......perhaps?

[Flirta-P]

2moro is the day where legendz can be born

[adi 101]

2moro is the day........... when we have no school!!!!!!!!!! [and sunday]

[cricket_crazy]

Razzaq'll have to take advantage of the first 10 overs because I believe after that new ball will be taken and our tail will then just collapse.

[KB]

Both Razzaq and Akmal are at their best when they attack. At any rate I don't think Akmal has the technique to survive by just blocking. His technique is suited for an attacking game.

If both play naturally, and be positive, then they could score quickly and perhaps even set off some panic in the Indian camp.

[TaZ]

Balaji with the new ball will be a huge handful

NO!

[suhaib]

if someone does make a ton it will be akmal not razzak, but it would be all over once the new ball is handed over to the [MOD EDIT: Select your words carefully]

[Fessal]

Razzaq and Kaneria have to do a Botham and Willis. They have to have to do this and will InshAllah. Anything is possible and with the dua's of the nation u never know. We just got to keep faith in Allah Almighty.

Realistically a Willis Botham wont happen. The best chance we have is drawing if Akmal and Razzaq stay till tea which they are very unlikley too.

"but it would be all over once the new ball is handed over to the nigga"

:oD

[Amjid Javed]

razzaq has always been branded as a mediocre test batsmen, someone who just contributes 30-40 with bat now and then and is rubbish with the ball, heres the chance for razzaq to show what he can do.. he needs to be postive but not wreckless.

kamran akmal has question marks over his batting, nows the time to do what moin khan did on last tour to india get a 60-70 which cud mean pakistan haveing a 150+ total to bowl to,

razzaq.akmal,rana and sami can all bat... inshallh if they can get 100 more runs between them then atleast they have sumat to bowl to!

tmoz is a day for razzaq and akmal to show pakistan fans their shud be know doubts that they can perform!

[Vegitto]

yeah NIGGA!

[Cricketer]

Yeah tomorow is the day when we will lose another test :)

[Vegitto]

no not really...

if razzaq goes out and plays his natural game...

then i think an 80 in 40 balls is long overdue..

and akmal can waste the balls

[pakdesi]

course they can

[AsimL8]

I say use dirty tricks. Fake long cramps, injuries equipment changes, sight screen adjustments what ever to eat up time. It gets dark early and this is the fifth day!

Sorry, this is my evil twin posting...

[Hussain]

i dont think we need Botham Willis type of heriocs

Lead:53 runs
N.o of overs remaining:90

Razzak: After Razzak's 4 from 76 balls against Australia against the best bowling line up in the world one can expect him to play atleast a 100 balls against Indians tommorrow.
And by his present strike rate he is gonna get 40 more runs

Akmal: He is good for surviving for a 50 odd deliveries and can score about 20 more runs

Sami: he has all the makings of a good allrounder. e and Shoib managed to get a partnership of abt 70 runs in 25 overs at Perth( a batsmen's nightmare) four months back when rest of the members cud not survive even a dozen balls these two managed to play off a session by them selves.

So he can also dodge another 50 balls for 30 runs.

Rana: A fighter who wont give it up till the last ball and this is the spirit Pakistan needs tommorrow
Judging by the way he pulled short deliveries in the 1st inns
He has the ability to face off successfully about 10 overs (i.e 60 balls) for some 30 runs

Dinesh Kaneria: he may be the only one who does not entertain any of my hopes as a batsman but is still good for about
15 balls for some 10 runs

Runs added on dayy 5= 40+20+30+30+10=130
total lead= 130 + 53= 183

balls faced =100+50+50+60+15=275(ie 46 overs)

2 overs reduced during the interval b/w the two innings

so max n.o of overs to be played by India=90-46-2=42 overs.
Target = 184 runs (@ 4.60 runs per over)

Hence India will ve to stretch as much they can to win this test as chasing at 4.60 rpo in a test is much more difficult than chasing it in an ODI

And if the go for a win there is every chance tht they may lose quick wickets and we can sneak in through the back door

One more thing even if India goes off to a flyier we can slow down the over rate to enforce a draw




Hence the test cud be won without the Heroics of Botham/willis its just about putting ure self together and apllying to the pitch

[Saj]

well in my opinion. Pak needs to bat for 55 overs tomorrow. If they can do that they will save the game.

If they bat for 55 overs, the lead will be upto around 250. Leaving India to score the runs in around 35 overs, which will be tough on day 5.

[sy]

Nicely worked out Hussain.

[Hussain]

Nicely worked out Hussain.



thx for the compliment Syed Shah
tht was Just a thin glimmer of hope to just to make one self believe tht all is still not lost

[Rob H]

i dont think we need Botham Willis type of heriocs

Lead:53 runs
N.o of overs remaining:90

Razzak: After Razzak's 4 from 76 balls against Australia against the best bowling line up in the world one can expect him to play atleast a 100 balls against Indians tommorrow.
And by his present strike rate he is gonna get 40 more runs

Akmal: He is good for surviving for a 50 odd deliveries and can score about 20 more runs

Sami: he has all the makings of a good allrounder. e and Shoib managed to get a partnership of abt 70 runs in 25 overs at Perth( a batsmen's nightmare) four months back when rest of the members cud not survive even a dozen balls these two managed to play off a session by them selves.

So he can also dodge another 50 balls for 30 runs.

Rana: A fighter who wont give it up till the last ball and this is the spirit Pakistan needs tommorrow
Judging by the way he pulled short deliveries in the 1st inns
He has the ability to face off successfully about 10 overs (i.e 60 balls) for some 30 runs

Dinesh Kaneria: he may be the only one who does not entertain any of my hopes as a batsman but is still good for about
15 balls for some 10 runs

Runs added on dayy 5= 40+20+30+30+10=130
total lead= 130 + 53= 183

balls faced =100+50+50+60+15=275(ie 46 overs)

2 overs reduced during the interval b/w the two innings

so max n.o of overs to be played by India=90-46-2=42 overs.
Target = 184 runs (@ 4.60 runs per over)

Hence India will ve to stretch as much they can to win this test as chasing at 4.60 rpo in a test is much more difficult than chasing it in an ODI

And if the go for a win there is every chance tht they may lose quick wickets and we can sneak in through the back door

One more thing even if India goes off to a flyier we can slow down the over rate to enforce a draw




Hence the test cud be won without the Heroics of Botham/willis its just about putting ure self together and apllying to the pitch

Well said. ZM tried to copy you on MSN. He isnt the brightest spark though and i worked him out.

[Flirta-P]

wow dat was kinda cleva.

[ZM]

WE CERTAINLY CAN WIN
JUS NEED 100 RUNS OF ABT 45OVERS

[nedian21]

INSHALLAH guys we will win . i m happy that atleast this time around Pakistan has put some fight as compared to last year. when we lost multan and pindi test matches by innings. even today razzaq and earlier yo yo showed some fighting capabilities and concentration levels

[pakistani pride]

Great post hussain !

[Pathan007]

plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz stopd with these pathetic threads i would say. Razzaq can't do anything in test matches watch out tomorrow he'll be in 1st ten overs to either Pathan or Balaji.

[Amjid Javed]

pakistan will either fold quickly tmoz or set india around 140-180 to win is my belief

[GamBiTT]

140-180 tomorrow mean 90-130 more runs from our last four wickets: Razzaq, Akmal, Sami, Rana, Danish. Razzaq and Akmal will have to stay till the new ball is taken and see of the new ball's shine for atleast 8-10 overs. Otherwise, with the new ball, Sami, Rana, Danish will get out too quickkly against balaji and pathan.

Even Razzaq and Akmal are going to struggle against the new ball, but MUCH MUCH better chance for them to see of the new ball compared to the others.

First thing is first: they have to deal with Kumble until India decides to take the new ball!

[Mercenary]

[quote="Amjid Javed"]pakistan will either fold quickly tmoz or set india around 140-180 to win is my belief[/quote

Pakistan will either win, lose or draw is my belief :?d

[Amjid Javed]

[quote=Amjid Javed]pakistan will either fold quickly tmoz or set india around 140-180 to win is my belief[/quote

Pakistan will either win, lose or draw is my belief :?d

so u dont favour the tied test match then? :oD :oD

[Amjid Javed]

gambitt, razzaq has underachieved for practically his whole test career, hes a chance for razzaq to say - yes i proved today with the bat i can play regularly for pakistan with the jibes - only odi player, bits and pieces player etc...

razzaq has said he wants 2 prove himself as a test player... then heres the stage... if tail collapse and hes left high and dry then it wasnt meant 2 be... however both razzaq and akmal(who have question marks over their batting) can make themselves heros....!

even if pakistan lose... if say the make india squeeze past winning post then some confidence can be taken forward!

[razzler]

I say its a tie as long as we are able to get the lead above 125. :-D

[Naveed]

Agreed that this is a chance for Razzak to say that he belongs in the test arena. The reason that he is in the line-up ahead of a specialist I assume is to sure up the batting line-up so if he can't do that, then he really doesn't belong out there.

[GamBiTT]

You are right that the stage is certainly set for him. Aggressive batting or defensive, if Pakistan team comes out of this test match without a loss, all credit to the players that bat to accomplish that. I would consider it one of the biggest acievements in test cricket for Pakistan to save this test.

[Naveed]

[quote=Amjid Javed]pakistan will either fold quickly tmoz or set india around 140-180 to win is my belief[/quote

Pakistan will either win, lose or draw is my belief :?d

:oD :oD

Razzak will either get out early or score some runs is my belief

[Amjid Javed]

You are right that the stage is certainly set for him. Aggressive batting or defensive, if Pakistan team comes out of this test match without a loss, all credit to the players that bat to accomplish that. I would consider it one of the biggest acievements in test cricket for Pakistan to save this test.

u can take postives out of defeat...

say pakistan get another 107 runs in 35 overs

india now need 161 in 53 overs...

india get total --> india 163/7 (pakistan have taken 7 wickets and india squeeze pas post)

pakistan take heart from effort they have given on day 5...

[Naveed]

You are right that the stage is certainly set for him. Aggressive batting or defensive, if Pakistan team comes out of this test match without a loss, all credit to the players that bat to accomplish that. I would consider it one of the biggest acievements in test cricket for Pakistan to save this test.

u can take postives out of defeat...

say pakistan get another 107 runs in 35 overs

india now need 161 in 53 overs...

india get total --> india 163/7 (pakistan have taken 7 wickets and india squeeze pas post)

pakistan take heart from effort they have given on day 5...

I don't think that moral victories count for anything at all. Last year we got crushed in Multan but then cam back and crushed India.

[Amjid Javed]

im not saying pakistan would gain moral victory.. what pakistan can reflect on is there mistakes and fact they give it their best shot on final day atleast....

[Naveed]

im not saying pakistan would gain moral victory.. what pakistan can reflect on is there mistakes and fact they give it their best shot on final day atleast....

What would that accomplish? A loss is a loss.

[Naveed]

im not saying pakistan would gain moral victory.. what pakistan can reflect on is there mistakes and fact they give it their best shot on final day atleast....

You're sounding like Woolmer!

[Amjid Javed]

im not saying pakistan would gain moral victory.. what pakistan can reflect on is there mistakes and fact they give it their best shot on final day atleast....

What would that accomplish? A loss is a loss.

true... but pakistan need to learn and improve...

[Naveed]

true... but pakistan need to learn and improve...

That's obvious!

[Amjid Javed]

not to pakistan team it isnt(saly)

[shikari]

Razza should attack...being defensive wont do any good. We may be able to score a few runs if razzaq attacks.

Another 100 -125....we may have a game

[Naveed]

not to pakistan team it isnt(saly)

You think they enjoy being crap?

[the SHA]

one would hope that Razzaq & Rana bat with particular determination tomorrow, afterall both are probable candidates for the axe for the next test. Then again you could probably say the same about Taufeeq, Butt & YK, and 'didnt they do well!' |-Q

[tahaqureshi]

i think a draw is totally out of the question..hte game is not set out that way at the moment...there can only be a victor and a loser..

and for some reason, i feel razzaq knows what he has to do...same goes with akmal

[Naveed]

Razzak definitely know what he has to do, the question is can he do it.

[nedian21]

MASHALLAH they are doing the job.

[nedian21]

Kami dropped. getting more n more agressive. Abdul just calm him down

[Khalil]

The guy is one of the most devasting batsman in ODI cricket and yet he can be the most patient batsman in test cricket.

[MecnunK]

well I think bob and inzy put something in his spinach..

[161]

one of the reasons why BW plays him test- imagine afridi in his place today - we would have lost by now.

[ZM]

no kashif!!!!!!

afridi wud hav scored a century
despite this razzaq innings i still feel afridi shud play next test

[nedian21]

they did it MASHALLAH. they saved the test match for Pakistan. amazing patience shown by Abdul Razzaq. also shut down his critics (including me ) that he cant play spin. and Kami was a revelation. great knock

[Hussain]

PAKISTANI PRIDE !!! Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:17 pm

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Great post hussain !


RH wrote:
Well said. ZM tried to copy you on MSN. He isnt the brightest spark though and i worked him out



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Thankyou you guys for appreciating my piece of analysis.


Though it did not prove to be quite tht accurate as Pakistan got a bigger lead than i thought.
:D