Rana Naved-ul Hasan.

[arqum]

I want ONE OF HIS fans to PLease I beg u Please convince me that he is a good bowler.

Ever since i saw him first when India @ Pakistan couple years back i have disliked his bowling. The guy allows tooooooooooooo many runs and gets 1-2 lucky wickets every 2-3 games. Wid the exception of the Pakistan in INdia series he has not done ANYTHING spectacular. So Why is he still on the team and mohammed sami got axed.

I'll give u a perfect example of Naved ul Hasan Rana's typical over

1st bowl. Average Pace . lil Swing beats the bat. "Wow What a spectacular bowl by Naved" Rameez.
2nd bowl. a Lil faster pace. batsman makes contact and take 1-2 runs. "Perfectly good bowl by Rana but batsman make run" Rameez
3rd bowl. Good Pace Good line and lenth. Batsman somehow get an edge and runs away to the boundary. "Aww Unlucky. UNLUCKY Navedul Rana" Rameez
4th bowl rana is mad . SHORT AWEFUL delivery. Runs away for 4 on the offside. "Not a good bowl by Rana" Rameez
5th Bowl rana is angry . SHORT AGAIn and FAST. 4 runs again. "This is Poor bowling by Rana"
6th Bowl Rana is saying bad words to the batsman and tryies to kill him with a yorker. Full Toss. BAMM four. "Thank God the overs over" Rameez


I swear every match ive seen when rana bowls. Whenever he gets smacked for 4 he gets hit for 4 AGAIN the very next bowl. The guy needs to relax. Wallah i dont think i can remember ive seen a match wher he hasnt been hit for consecutive or 2 4's in a same over. Like how we randomly got an ASIF out of no where, we shud try new younger bowlers like India is. who knows we have another wasim or waqar im domestic.

This is Not a Rana Hate Thread. I just dont like his bowling. PLEASE SOMEOEN TELL ME SOME POSITIVES about him that i havent observed.

Dont delete this topic , i actually spent alot of time writing this lol



ok i have finally found all his stats from the VB series till present ( except srilanka stupid matches)
thsee are only ONE DAY STATS

VB series
1st match vs aus Naved-ul-Hasan 8 0 60 1
2nd match vs wi Naved-ul-Hasan 10 0 55 2
3rd match vs aus Naved-ul-Hasan 6 0 20 0
4th match vs wi Naved-ul-Hasan 9 0 77 1
5th match vs aus Naved-ul-Hasan 9 0 50 2
6th match vs aus Naved-ul-Hasan 9 0 69 2
MY GOD LOOK AT THE ECONOMY!!! , 60, 77, 69 lol

Pak vs India ( in india)
Naved-ul-Hasan 8 0 38 2
Naved-ul-Hasan 10 0 54 3
Naved-ul-Hasan 8.4 1 27 6
Naved-ul-Hasan 8 0 64 0
Naved-ul-Hasan 10 2 35 3
Naved-ul-Hasan 6 0 28 1
Indeed he played good in this series. But definitely a fluke coz if u look at the 3rd match he took 6 wickets. Then very next match against the same players, same conditions he went 8 an over for 0 wickets. U tell me

Pak vs WI
1st Naved-ul-Hasan 9 0 23 2 (
2nd Naved-ul-Hasan 6.2 0 20 2
3rd Naved-ul-Hasan 9 1 48 3
u mite say ok thsoe are good figures , but wait let me show u what our part timers did wid this team
1st match Shahid Afridi 10 0 28 2
2nd Shahid Afridi 10 1 38 4
3rd Shahid Afridi 6 0 35 0
Naved Full time bowler took 7 and afridi part time took 6. So i guess u guys get my point that west indies have a bad team.


Pak vs England
Naved-ul-Hasan 9 0 75 1
Naved-ul-Hasan 8 0 42 2
Naved-ul-Hasan 7 1 31 2 ( tail enders)
Naved-ul-Hasan 9 0 37 2

the guy has an aweful economy and most of his wickets have been tail enders in the series



Pak vs India again

Naved-ul-Hasan 10 0 62 4
Naved-ul-Hasan 7 0 60 0
Naved-ul-Hasan 8 0 72 0
Naved-ul-Hasan 6 1 33 1

[cavin420]

like i posted and replied to your post in a different thread , i would post the same here..


tell me who was 2nd in the leading wicket takers list for 2005 after bret lee :O

true he gives some runs, but hes a strike bowler, gets us wickets by hook or by crook, i agree mohd sami should be in the team at the expense of rao ifitikhar but i also belive rana should be in the team, not purely because of his brilliant bowling and wicket taking abilities but because he can bat as well!

[arqum]

like i posted and replied to your post in a different thread , i would post the same here..


tell me who was 2nd in the leading wicket takers list for 2005 after bret lee :O

true he gives some runs, but hes a strike bowler, gets us wickets by hook or by crook, i agree mohd sami should be in the team at the expense of rao ifitikhar but i also belive rana should be in the team, not purely because of his brilliant bowling and wicket taking abilities but because he can bat as well!

WHEN EXACTLY HAS HE SHOWN U THAT HE CAN BAT. how many 50's does he have. HS of 40 in test and 29 in odi. Wow he is an AMAZING BATSMAN. He is a fake all rounder as people call him.

Here is a Cool Stat for u
43 Odi matches 74 wickets. Economy if an aweful 5.39!!!
5.39 !!!!!!! do u know what economy is . How many runs he gets hit in an over. ALMOSt 6 !!!!!! Simply Pathetic. If he had 100 wickets instead of 74 it wudve been different. i know part time bowlesr who have more wickets then him and have played less matches

[UJ]

WHEN EXACTLY HAS HE SHOWN U THAT HE CAN BAT. how many 50's does he have. HS of 40 in test and 29 in odi. Wow he is an AMAZING BATSMAN. He is a fake all rounder as people call him.

Here is a Cool Stat for u
43 Odi matches 74 wickets. Economy if an aweful 5.39!!!
5.39 !!!!!!! do u know what economy is . How many runs he gets hit in an over. ALMOSt 6 !!!!!! Simply Pathetic. If he had 100 wickets instead of 74 it wudve been different. i know part time bowlesr who have more wickets then him and have played less matches

Please share with us..

[cavin420]

ok first of all he plays most of his cricket on sub-continent pitches, where scoring over 300 runs is a norm (that makes it 6 runs per over) . 2ndly hes a strike bowler , as is mohd sami, giving away runs doesnt matter as long as they can pick up wickets regularly, ill have rana in my one day team anytime of the year on any pitch since he,s one of those bowlers who has a nack of picking up important wickets at the right time, nothing better to stop someone scoring rate then to pick up wickets. had it not been for rana , our bowling would have been alot weaker in the absence of mohd sami n shoaib akhtar, now hes the most experiened one day bowler as well not to forget a very important team member as well.

as far as his batting goes, he bats at no 9 or no 8 (if he gets lucky) even if you ask inzi to bat down there then even he wont be able to do magic at them positions, with rana he tries, is a fighter and most importantly HE,S A BADGE KISSER .

[UJ]

Here is Rana's stats when Pakistan win showng how important he has been to our ODI performances over the last year or so.


Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
26 96 20* 16.00 0 0 55 6/27 19.07 1 4 0

[arqum]

Please share with us..


i did read the first post. Thanks

[arqum]

ok first of all he plays most of his cricket on sub-continent pitches, where scoring over 300 runs is a norm (that makes it 6 runs per over) . 2ndly hes a strike bowler , as is mohd sami, giving away runs doesnt matter as long as they can pick up wickets regularly, ill have rana in my one day team anytime of the year on any pitch since he,s one of those bowlers who has a nack of picking up important wickets at the right time, nothing better to stop someone scoring rate then to pick up wickets. had it not been for rana , our bowling would have been alot weaker in the absence of mohd sami n shoaib akhtar, now hes the most experiened one day bowler as well not to forget a very important team member as well.

as far as his batting goes, he bats at no 9 or no 8 (if he gets lucky) even if you ask inzi to bat down there then even he wont be able to do magic at them positions, with rana he tries, is a fighter and most importantly HE,S A BADGE KISSER .


badge kisser is a thing i like. let me rephrase ONLY THING i like about him.
And No. Razzak bats at 8th he scores soo many runs. Why cant rana score as many.

[UJ]

You said that you "know part time bowlers who have more wickets then him and have played less matches"

Afridi has actually played more matches then Rana. Sure Afridi might pick up more wickets here or there but he wont in every series they play. You have only provided the Rana vs Afridi stats for the WI series where conditions and circumstances favoured Afridi (i.e. the times he was bought on to bowl etc)

It seems you have a problem with Rana economy rate. As Cav mentioned earlier, many of his matches have in fact been played on the subcontinent Pak vs India ( in india), Pak vs England in pakistan and Pak vs Ind in pakistan. Scores tend to be much higher somewhere around 300 and Rana has an economy rate of 5.39.

Maths:

5.39 x 50 = 270

Now of course not every game results in 300+ scores, but you can see my point.

P.S. Mohammad Sami's economy rate is 4.93

[UJ]

Now, Rana has a S/R of 28.06 in ODIs, reflecting the point someone made earlier that he is indeed a strike bowler. His job is to take wickets with the new ball but also when he comes back into the attack later on in an innings.

Sami on the other hand has a S/R of 34.53 and is also a strike bowler. Although Rana hasn't played as many games for Pakistan as Sami has, he does tend to take wickets more frequently than Sami, the man you propose take his position in the side.

[The WagonWheel]

i<b> know part time bowlesr who have more wickets then him and have played less matches</b>
Please share with us..


Its easy ... Brett Lee - He is a bowler and does not bowl all the 50 overs in an ODI ....
That qualifies him to be a part time bowler :D :D

Yesss !!! I have cracked it ...

Bow down everyone Einstein is here !! :26:

[inzidabest]

Inzy has to realise he is not a first change bowler. He is an opening bowler and death bowler. That is where he should bowl.

[slix10]

Inzy has to realise he is not a first change bowler. He is an opening bowler and death bowler. That is where he should bowl.

Agreed. Rana is surprisingly good at taking care of tailenders really quick.

[Big Mac]

Naved-ul-Hasan 8.4 1 27 6
Naved-ul-Hasan 8 0 64 0
Naved-ul-Hasan 10 2 35 3

Indeed he played good in this series. But definitely a fluke coz if u look at the 3rd match he took 6 wickets. Then very next match against the same players, same conditions he went 8 an over for 0 wickets. U tell me

Yeah and then what happened in the next match after that? What was that? 3.5 runs an over with 3 wickets?

If you honestly think what you've done above is a genuinely good use of the statistics then the only fluke I see is that you remember how to breath when you wake up in the morning. :)))

[cavin420]

good morning Big Mac, i was waiting for your post anxiously, how dare he talk like that about ronaldhino :9:

[Daoud]

Yeah, remember these days if a team is out for 250 thats a below par score, so an RPO of 5 is perfectly acceptable. His is a little higher than that but hes a genuine wicket taker. It more than makes up for his run leaking

[kablooee87]

My opinion of rana is that he is one of those playres that may not have the sheeer god given talent but puts everything he has into his bowling and that has brought him very good results. This quality is to eb admired but my feeling is that after some time these type of bowlers lose their surprise element and fade away.

That beign said, I'm not saying it is hopeless for him. He had a great county season and I think if he is handled properly he can become a very consisntent performer for us. But I think, at my own fault, I will neve see him the same way after that ODI against India (I think it was the 4th). I think his bowling pretty much lost us that match. All that is just my view though, one bad bowling performance doesn't shape an entire career.

[cavin420]

well if your basing your opinions on just one match then same can be said about shoaib akhtar, he cost us the game against SA in that 1999 wc. but saying that he has won us more matches on his own then all the indian/srilankan bowlers put together, im sure even that bad series against india should be hurting him as we speak and he will definitly run through the indian side tomorrow :16:

[Pak_Attack]

Inzy has to realise he is not a first change bowler. He is an opening bowler and death bowler. That is where he should bowl.

There is Shoaib and Asif who open the bowling when they are both fit, would you put rana ahead of these two? It would be very hard especially with Asif in the form he is in, im a fan of rana's but I think Shoaib and Asif are the perfect combo to open the bowling.

[Big Mac]

It's obvious that Rana and Asif should share the new ball.

[Pak_Attack]

and Shoaib when he is fit as first change?

[Team Slayer]

hahah, wat a joke of an OP. go watch some cricket, son.

[Big Mac]

and Shoaib when he is fit as first change?

Yes. Shoaib doesn't really swing the ball a huge amount nor does he seam it. He deals in pace and lots of it and he is just as effective with a ball that is 12 overs old as he is with one that's brand new.

Rana and Asif are the ones who need to open in order to get the best value out of the attack as a whole. Rana can swing it a mile and Asif from the other end will be seaming it both ways. Then one of them goes off and the batsmen suddenly have to deal with Shoaib coming in trying to take their heads off.

Relegating Rana or Asif to first change will be more detrimental to their effectiveness than it will be to Shoaib coming on first change if that makes sense.

[Pak_Attack]

Yes. Shoaib doesn't really swing the ball a huge amount nor does he seam it. He deals in pace and lots of it and he is just as effective with a ball that is 12 overs old as he is with one that's brand new.

Rana and Asif are the ones who need to open in order to get the best value out of the attack as a whole. Rana can swing it a mile and Asif from the other end will be seaming it both ways. Then one of them goes off and the batsmen suddenly have to deal with Shoaib coming in trying to take their heads off.

Relegating Rana or Asif to first change will be more detrimental to their effectiveness than it will be to Shoaib coming on first change if that makes sense.

I've thought the same thing to in the past, Shoaib is about pace so it doesnt really matter to him in what state he gets the ball, where as Asif and Rana can do a lot with the new ball.

But Shoaib also has the ability to unnerve batsmen at one end which in turn makes it easier for his partner at the other end, we saw this during the Pak/England series and Pak/India. But yeah I think they should give this a try (Rana/Asif) in a few odi's and see how it goes, not sure Shoaib will be too happy though. We will probably see them both sharing the new ball tommorow.

[Cartman]

Rana is showing very little willingness to learn and improve. That much I can say and I am pretty disappointed.

He seems easily frustrated but shows fighting spirit and a big heart. Sometimes u need to show more calm and cunning. Rana is lacking that. Thats where Asif is so damn good. He looks like a a man of steel at times.

[Slugger]

When Rana destroys England you'll all be talking out of your backsides. You think it's shoaib Akhtar's pace that'll rattle them? it' ll be asif and rana's swing and seam

[Big Mac]

Ignore the haters Slugger, they're just jealous of Ranadinho's hair.

[Slugger]

I've thought the same thing to in the past, Shoaib is about pace so it doesnt really matter to him in what state he gets the ball, where as Asif and Rana can do a lot with the new ball.

But Shoaib also has the ability to unnerve batsmen at one end which in turn makes it easier for his partner at the other end, we saw this during the Pak/England series and Pak/India. But yeah I think they should give this a try (Rana/Asif) in a few odi's and see how it goes, not sure Shoaib will be too happy though. We will probably see them both sharing the new ball tommorow.

the new ball is quicker through the air

plus you want him to bake in the sun for 12 overs then start bowling?

[pacman]

I've thought the same thing to in the past, Shoaib is about pace so it doesnt really matter to him in what state he gets the ball, where as Asif and Rana can do a lot with the new ball.

But Shoaib also has the ability to unnerve batsmen at one end which in turn makes it easier for his partner at the other end, we saw this during the Pak/England series and Pak/India. But yeah I think they should give this a try (Rana/Asif) in a few odi's and see how it goes, not sure Shoaib will be too happy though. We will probably see them both sharing the new ball tommorow.

Forget Shoaib, if it doesn't work in the first game they try this, the media will be all over Inzi as to why he is not getting the new ball.

I actually think it would be wise to let Rana and Asif share the new ball, where Rana goes off after 3 or 4 overs, letting Shoaib get a few overs with the newish ball too.

[Cartman]

pacman has a smart idea.

[Pak_Attack]

the new ball is quicker through the air

plus you want him to bake in the sun for 12 overs then start bowling?

Who's going to be baking in the sun?

[Cartman]

bakin in the sun does the fast bowler good.

[arqum]

Yes. Shoaib doesn't really swing the ball a huge amount nor does he seam it. He deals in pace and lots of it and he is just as effective with a ball that is 12 overs old as he is with one that's brand new.

Rana and Asif are the ones who need to open in order to get the best value out of the attack as a whole. Rana can swing it a mile and Asif from the other end will be seaming it both ways. Then one of them goes off and the batsmen suddenly have to deal with Shoaib coming in trying to take their heads off.

Relegating Rana or Asif to first change will be more detrimental to their effectiveness than it will be to Shoaib coming on first change if that makes sense.

i will agree wid the shoaib akhtar part. We shud use him like we did when waqar and wasim use to play. 1st change bowler.

but im still not convinced about rana people

[Waheed_one]

Yes. Shoaib doesn't really swing the ball a huge amount nor does he seam it. He deals in pace and lots of it and he is just as effective with a ball that is 12 overs old as he is with one that's brand new.

Rana and Asif are the ones who need to open in order to get the best value out of the attack as a whole. Rana can swing it a mile and Asif from the other end will be seaming it both ways. Then one of them goes off and the batsmen suddenly have to deal with Shoaib coming in trying to take their heads off.

Relegating Rana or Asif to first change will be more detrimental to their effectiveness than it will be to Shoaib coming on first change if that makes sense.


One thing i don't get ...........all shoaid needs to do is vary his grip a litle on the ball and it will turn.............i wonder how come bob haven't pick it up yet....He need a person who knows a thing or two about physics.

[Amir]

Considering he took 15 wickets In Australia, 15 wickets in flat wickets in India nd than 10 wickets in the west Indies, shows he is consisent. Not too forget, he did not have a bad series vs England, and this series was his first bad series in a long time.

The fact that he has a 28.06 S/R is by far impressive. I am not even sure if Brett Lee's is that low. Of course LEe has played more matches, however regardless of the fact, you cannot call him a crap bowler with a strike rate like that. His job is to take wickets and he will leak some runs. However, I believe he has been a key role to our success in winning matches int he past year. Like I said, that India series alot of our key ingridients jsut did not fire like Afridi, Inzi and Rana. However, when they get it right, oh do they get it right.