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spindoctor
18th May 2006, 22:43
kaif is so lucky...44444
Should he be there in the team or Uthappa or Rao play the next game?
Chanderpaul misjudges - and another possible chance missed.
kasoo10
18th May 2006, 22:44
Raina can do it if he gets the strike. Kaif is putting in all the effort to loose this one for India.
Indian
18th May 2006, 22:45
yet again his shot lands between 2 fielders!!! kaif is dating lady luck it seems.
spindoctor, i believe uthappa should replace him but chappell thinks kaif is some great batsman and will play him in all games.
Westy Indies is like bangladesh now, they cant win a game when they know it. Honestly, their fielding is awful.
8 off 9
Should be game over now - another boundary. Raina is the lad to do it
crick786
18th May 2006, 22:48
unreliable fielding as well as bowling will cost WI big time
kasoo10
18th May 2006, 22:48
Not as bad I must say:
M Kaif (rhb) 58 84 2 0 69.04
karachiite
18th May 2006, 22:49
whats the score and equation?
kasoo10
18th May 2006, 22:50
43.3 Taylor to Raina, no run, short of length, around the off stump, pushed to cover, where Lara fields and has a shy at non-strikers end and if he had hit Kaif would have been dead
Yeah, you wish!
whats the score and equation?
248-5
4 to win off 6 balls
Lady Luck was smiling on India at the end.
Was always only going to be one winner. Windies just didn't have it.
Ah well.
spindoctor
18th May 2006, 22:53
have they won...it still says 4 to win from 6 balls in cricinfo...and kaif on strike! :29:
2 from 2 balls - a risky single - would have been out if it hit by miles
2 from 2 balls - a risky single - would have been out if it hit by miles
India have been so damn lucky!!!
crick786
18th May 2006, 22:54
game over..india have won
Game over - India win with 1 ball left.
Windies fielding made Pak look like a Jonty Rhodes Masterclass.
Big Mac
18th May 2006, 22:55
Mighty Mo Kaif :11:
Amjid Javed
18th May 2006, 22:55
india win and kaif takes them home.
west indies poor last 10 overs batting and joke fielding has cost them here. i said that india would win this.
west indies were 20-30 runs short of a good total.
superb ton by dravid.
INZItheman
18th May 2006, 22:56
Windies played well! They were expected to be thrashed-tight game! Abit more in fielding and they would have won!
HAFRIDI
18th May 2006, 22:56
Exciting finish !! top game
Well played Kaif, glad to see him back on form
In the end, poor fielding by the Windies cost them BIG!
spindoctor
18th May 2006, 22:56
India win despite Kaif's slow innings....this should have been a simpler win...wonder why he can't rotate the strike or get the big hits!
kasoo10
18th May 2006, 22:56
WI would have won if they had held catches and got some runouts. They have to hit the wicket more often.
Big Mac
18th May 2006, 22:57
India win despite Kaif's slow innings....this should have been a simpler win...wonder why he can't rotate the strike or get the big hits!
He wanted to make it exciting for the fans
Indian
18th May 2006, 22:57
lucky win for India, have to say! Thats 17 run chases in a row. Outstanding record.
karachiite
18th May 2006, 22:57
18th successful chase in a row isnt it? Well done India, this experience in the WI conditions will serve them well for the world cup. They seem favourites for the WC now.
Amjid Javed
18th May 2006, 22:58
This game has highlighted the importance of bowling discapline and also good fielding.
18th successful chase in a row isnt it? Well done India, this experience in the WI conditions will serve them well for the world cup. They seem favourites for the WC now.
Personally I think they are peaking too soon. If the WC started tomorrow then they probably would have won it.
spindoctor
18th May 2006, 23:05
He wanted to make it exciting for the fans
lol!
Tupac
18th May 2006, 23:12
lol, hash, better dayz will come soon man, keep ya head up
lol, hash, better dayz will come soon man, keep ya head up
:))
Oh don't worry, I am perfectly happy with the current state of Pakistan cricket :D
The match was closer than many expected.
Not a cakewalk by any means.
Rickz
19th May 2006, 10:02
India have won a close fought contest, Dravid scored a brilliant ton, led by Kaif with his half-century, and Dhoni and Raina to finesh it off, India have won 17 games in a row chasing, outstanding record.
James
19th May 2006, 11:20
Wonder where the Indians who wanted Kaif dropped for Ganguly because the youngster was out of form for a few innings are now? He may have been lucky but he needed to get a score somehow, now he has got that under his belt he will be back. He is quality.
India are better off without Ganguly and Tendulkar right now, no matter what any Indians say. Chappell and Dravid might have their flaws but they seem to be the only people in India who realise that the crop of young players are in fact a lot better than certain older players who are crap.
Rickz
19th May 2006, 11:29
Wonder where the Indians who wanted Kaif dropped for Ganguly because the youngster was out of form for a few innings are now?
India are better off without Ganguly and Tendulkar right now, no matter what any Indians say. Chappell and Dravid might have their flaws but they seem to be the only people in India who realise that the crop of young players are in fact a lot better than certain older players who are crap.
India are better off without Ganguly, but I disagree that India are better off without Sachin, he was he good odi form before he was injured again, and if he comes back to the team, it will make the side stronger, and give added benefits to India.
James
19th May 2006, 11:35
Tendu is crap, his presence has been holding India back. You saw yesterdays run chase, Dravid is an unselfish player that the Indian team genuinely look up to, he is a batsman that is talented and consistent enough to build your batting lineup around. Dravid can be a matchwinner, Tendu is not the man to play that role anymore, even if the occasional 80 or 90 every 8 innings gets Indians foaming at the mouth about being 'back to his best', he is clearly past it
Tendu does not deserve a place in either Indian test or ODI teams at the moment. Now Kaif is back in form, there isnt a single team regular who deserves to be out of the team for Tendu, unless they are going to drop Sehwag, which is very unlikely considering his financial worth. It's sad thats the way cricket is these days, and a younger player will probably be made the scapegoat after 1 failure, to accomodate Tendu's grand return as per usual...
Tendu is crap, his presence has been holding India back. You saw yesterdays run chase, Dravid is an unselfish player that the Indian team genuinely look up to, he is a batsman that is talented and consistent enough to build your batting lineup around. Dravid can be a matchwinner, Tendu is not the man to play that role anymore, even if the occasional 80 or 90 every 8 innings gets Indians foaming at the mouth about being 'back to his best', he is clearly past it
Tendu does not deserve a place in either Indian test or ODI teams at the moment. Now Kaif is back in form, there isnt a single team regular who deserves to be out of the team for Tendu, unless they are going to drop Sehwag, which is very unlikely considering his financial worth. It's sad thats the way cricket is these days, and a younger player will probably be made the scapegoat after 1 failure, to accomodate Tendu's grand return as per usual...
Superb post, my sentiments exactly.
I don't know if this has been discussed as i can't be bothered to look back 4 or 5 pages but did anyone see Samuel's faster delivery? Bucknor then made a signal to the match referee to save that footage for later and when they showed the replay it looked as if he had chucked.
Tupac
19th May 2006, 12:34
Tendu is crap, his presence has been holding India back. You saw yesterdays run chase, Dravid is an unselfish player that the Indian team genuinely look up to, he is a batsman that is talented and consistent enough to build your batting lineup around. Dravid can be a matchwinner, Tendu is not the man to play that role anymore, even if the occasional 80 or 90 every 8 innings gets Indians foaming at the mouth about being 'back to his best', he is clearly past it
Tendu does not deserve a place in either Indian test or ODI teams at the moment. Now Kaif is back in form, there isnt a single team regular who deserves to be out of the team for Tendu, unless they are going to drop Sehwag, which is very unlikely considering his financial worth. It's sad thats the way cricket is these days, and a younger player will probably be made the scapegoat after 1 failure, to accomodate Tendu's grand return as per usual...
clearly you didn't watch him against pakistan in the ODI series, that 95 was as classy a knock, on a brute of a pitch in the first 15 overs. To add to that, 100 and 42/43. And rest assured if he would have played in the england ODIs, it might have been 6-0. Sachin can't control the rain...some of my bro's might think so though.
and how is Sachin Tendulkar selfish?
Tupac the thing is those knocks come once in a blue moon now. I'll give him credit for that 100 and 95 but 2 good performances and so many failures recently justifies him being crap.
Tupac
19th May 2006, 13:21
what batsmen doesn't have a bad patch? Tendulkar's bad patch is still small compared to the slumps that Inzy, Lara, and Dravid have had.
But now that India have other young exciting players in the fold and always contributing what need is there for Tendulkar? You know if ain't broke don't fix it.
EvergreenCricketer
19th May 2006, 13:33
I accept everyone can have their opinion. Here is my opinion: If someone thinks Tendulkar is crap, that someone should get his/her brain checked.
Surely he is not God as his fans portray, but he is more than normal international cricketer one will find.
Rickz
19th May 2006, 13:35
I accept everyone can have his opinion. Here is my opinion: If someone thinks Tendulkar is crap, that someone should get his/her brain checked.
Surely he is not God as his fans portray, but he is more than normal international cricketer one will find.
I agree with you 100%, this is only Sachins bad patch for a peroid of months, compared to Lara, Dravid or Inzy thye have had it 2-3 or 4 times over a peroid of months.
Inzy happens to be the Pak Captain - SRT has no such pressure - SRT is treated like royalty and many Indians dont like that as well - I dont think Tupac/Playa or Evergreen chaps represent the true Indian opinion.
Fact is that the new Indian ODI outfit is winning on merit alone - they dont need SRT to comeback JUST because he is SRT
Rickz
19th May 2006, 13:48
Tendu is crap, his presence has been holding India back. You saw yesterdays run chase, Dravid is an unselfish player that the Indian team genuinely look up to, he is a batsman that is talented and consistent enough to build your batting lineup around. Dravid can be a matchwinner, Tendu is not the man to play that role anymore, even if the occasional 80 or 90 every 8 innings gets Indians foaming at the mouth about being 'back to his best', he is clearly past it
Tendu does not deserve a place in either Indian test or ODI teams at the moment. Now Kaif is back in form, there isnt a single team regular who deserves to be out of the team for Tendu, unless they are going to drop Sehwag, which is very unlikely considering his financial worth. It's sad thats the way cricket is these days, and a younger player will probably be made the scapegoat after 1 failure, to accomodate Tendu's grand return as per usual...
Players like Sachin Tendulkar only comes once in 50 years or once in a 100, Tendulkar is really consistant, in both forms of the games, he has won matches for India, and single-handedly before, Sachin can play 2 ways, he can build the innings like Dravid and he can go aggresive like Dhoni, Sachin is natrually a aggreasive player.
Tendulkar is not past his best, and how is Sachin selfish?
Sachin is very expierenced, he is very vital to the world cup odi team for India, if they are going to win the world cup in 07.
Tendulkar is better then all those players in the Indian team, are your going to say that Raina or Kaif is better then Sachin?, just becuase Sachin is been out of form for the first time in his 17 year career.
Like Tupac said you did not see the odi series vs Pak, Sachin scored a 100 in the first match bulding the innings, in his second match Sachin scored nearly a run a ball 42, with the highest quility of shots, in the 3rd match Sachin scored nearly a run a ball 95 he scored 16 fours and 1 six, he was anchoring the innings and going aggreasive at times when needed, chasing a huge total of 289, ndia was at one stage 84-3 with Dravid gone, he was out at 189-4, and dont forget Sachin is a opener in odis.
And by saying Sachin is crap, you need to get your head checked out.
And WS - this "SRT is crap" type statement is NOT on at PP - pls desist from abusing players in that way - state your opinion but do so in a civilized manner. Thanks.
We should just stop this Tendu debate right now - or else this thread will be in the trash receptacle soon.
James
19th May 2006, 14:32
Players like Sachin Tendulkar only comes once in 50 years or once in a 100, Tendulkar is really consistant, in both forms of the games, he has won matches for India, and single-handedly before, Sachin can play 2 ways, he can build the innings like Dravid and he can go aggresive like Dhoni, Sachin is natrually a aggreasive player.
Tendulkar is not past his best, and how is Sachin selfish?
Sachin is very expierenced, he is very vital to the world cup odi team for India, if they are going to win the world cup in 07.
Tendulkar is better then all those players in the Indian team, are your going to say that Raina or Kaif is better then Sachin?, just becuase Sachin is been out of form for the first time in his 17 year career.
Like Tupac said you did not see the odi series vs Pak, Sachin scored a 100 in the first match bulding the innings, in his second match Sachin scored nearly a run a ball 42, with the highest quility of shots, in the 3rd match Sachin scored nearly a run a ball 95 he scored 16 fours and 1 six, he was anchoring the innings and going aggreasive at times when needed, chasing a huge total of 289, ndia was at one stage 84-3 with Dravid gone, he was out at 189-4, and dont forget Sachin is a opener in odis.
And by saying Sachin is crap, you need to get your head checked out.
And yet all that can be countered by a simple look at most of his recent performances. What has he done lately? A hundred and a 95 in the Pakistan ODI series, and a home ton against Sri Lanka. Oooooo. There are several players in the Indian team, not to mention LOADS of players from other teams that have been better of late. And yet Tendulkar is still 'apparently' better
I also must correct you, I never called SRT selfish. I just said Dravid was unselfish, never that SRT was selfish. If everytime an Indian batsman is mentioned as unselfish and the SRT fans blow up and assume you are accusing their God of being a selfish player, wouldn't that show an insecurity of sorts anyway?
Yuvraj, Dhoni and Dravid (just to name 3 Indians) have been a lot more consistent lately and have been putting in more important performances in both forms of the game, how on earth is SRT still the best batsman in the Indian team when he has been scoring so few runs?
The joke that is Indian selection process was summed up when Tendulkar was selected throughout the England tour when he was playing completely uselessly, yet Kaif saved his team from defeat in the 1st test with a gritty 91 (more runs than SRT scored in the entire series), and Kaif lost his place while they continued to pick SRT. No matter how badly SRT performs he is still picked, and that is a disgrace. India would have played more convincingly in the test series, shock horror, if they had NOT played SRT and played the guys that were actually scoring. Then again, never let facts get in the way of people's agendas!
Like I have said, Chappel and Dravid aren't the best all-round coach/captain in the world but they seem to be the only people in India who understand the best actual long-term plans for Indian cricket, it is plain to see that the ODI side has been better when it has been built around Dravid and the young boys who are hungry for team success, and while the test side is in transition, it will obviously improve. Sacking Ganguly was completely the correct move, and unless SRT gets straight back into his stride when he makes his latest comeback, his days shuld be correctly judged as numbered.
In the end it seems that no matter how blatant SRT's decline becomes, circles of Indian fans will always be convinced he is a consistent matchwinner, still the best (once he was, but not anymore), deserves a place in the side because of who he is (at the moment, he really doesn't deserve a place)...
As for the head checked out thing? If 3-4 decent knocks out of god knows how many recent innings doesn't make SRT a poor batsman at this present time, I don't know what does. I'm legally sane you know :D
MIG - sorry for going OTT before
And yet all that can be countered by a simple look at most of his recent performances. What has he done lately? A hundred and a 95 in the Pakistan ODI series, and a home ton against Sri Lanka. Oooooo. There are several players in the Indian team, not to mention LOADS of players from other teams that have been better of late. And yet Tendulkar is still 'apparently' better
I also must correct you, I never called SRT selfish. I just said Dravid was unselfish, never that SRT was selfish. If everytime an Indian batsman is mentioned as unselfish and the SRT fans blow up and assume you are accusing their God of being a selfish player, wouldn't that show an insecurity of sorts anyway?
Yuvraj, Dhoni and Dravid (just to name 3 Indians) have been a lot more consistent lately and have been putting in more important performances in both forms of the game, how on earth is SRT still the best batsman in the Indian team when he has been scoring so few runs?
The joke that is Indian selection process was summed up when Tendulkar was selected throughout the England tour when he was playing completely uselessly, yet Kaif saved his team from defeat in the 1st test with a gritty 91 (more runs than SRT scored in the entire series), and Kaif lost his place while they continued to pick SRT. No matter how badly SRT performs he is still picked, and that is a disgrace. India would have played more convincingly in the test series, shock horror, if they had NOT played SRT and played the guys that were actually scoring. Then again, never let facts get in the way of people's agendas!
Like I have said, Chappel and Dravid aren't the best all-round coach/captain in the world but they seem to be the only people in India who understand the best actual long-term plans for Indian cricket, it is plain to see that the ODI side has been better when it has been built around Dravid and the young boys who are hungry for team success, and while the test side is in transition, it will obviously improve. Sacking Ganguly was completely the correct move, and unless SRT gets straight back into his stride when he makes his latest comeback, his days shuld be correctly judged as numbered.
In the end it seems that no matter how blatant SRT's decline becomes, circles of Indian fans will always be convinced he is a consistent matchwinner, still the best (once he was, but not anymore), deserves a place in the side because of who he is (at the moment, he really doesn't deserve a place)...
As for the head checked out thing? If 3-4 decent knocks out of god knows how many recent innings doesn't make SRT a poor batsman at this present time, I don't know what does. I'm legally sane you know :D
MIG - sorry for going OTT before
These are really good posts, Whippy. :14:
Completely agree with you for once. :D
James
19th May 2006, 14:52
I'd better leave it rest now, unless I get a response which isn't just the usual 'omg srt is sitll da best, the end', we don't want what has been a pretty popular thread to be trashed.
googly
19th May 2006, 14:52
Tendulkar in ODIs this season:
Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0
unfiltered 362 353 33 14146 186* 152 146 44.20 39 72 16
filtered 14 14 1 504 100 95 93 38.76 1 3 1
So how many openers have done better than him in the world again despite him going through a loss of form, Whippy?
James
19th May 2006, 14:55
I like it how you say 'openers' (I talked about all players, not just openers) to try and narrow down what would be a decent sized list. I also like it how you compeltely ignored his test performances.
yes well whippy, googly is entitled to such filtering on bith accounts. They are fair filters.
googly
19th May 2006, 14:59
I like it how you say 'openers' (I talked about all players, not just openers) to try and narrow down what would be a decent sized list. I also like it how you compeltely ignored his test performances.
This thread is about ODI performances and teams not tests. Why muddle the two issues? Start another one on tests and I might contribute.
Okay tell me how how many batsmen have done better than him worldwide ignoring the fact that opening is a special position? It wont be more than 20.
Your own messiah, Trescothick doesn't even have a career average of what Tendulkar has averaged in perhaps his poorest season in ODIs.
How every thread turns into a Sachin debate i will never know.
Rickz
19th May 2006, 16:41
And yet all that can be countered by a simple look at most of his recent performances. What has he done lately? A hundred and a 95 in the Pakistan ODI series, and a home ton against Sri Lanka. Oooooo. There are several players in the Indian team, not to mention LOADS of players from other teams that have been better of late. And yet Tendulkar is still 'apparently' better
I also must correct you, I never called SRT selfish. I just said Dravid was unselfish, never that SRT was selfish. If everytime an Indian batsman is mentioned as unselfish and the SRT fans blow up and assume you are accusing their God of being a selfish player, wouldn't that show an insecurity of sorts anyway?
Yuvraj, Dhoni and Dravid (just to name 3 Indians) have been a lot more consistent lately and have been putting in more important performances in both forms of the game, how on earth is SRT still the best batsman in the Indian team when he has been scoring so few runs?
The joke that is Indian selection process was summed up when Tendulkar was selected throughout the England tour when he was playing completely uselessly, yet Kaif saved his team from defeat in the 1st test with a gritty 91 (more runs than SRT scored in the entire series), and Kaif lost his place while they continued to pick SRT. No matter how badly SRT performs he is still picked, and that is a disgrace. India would have played more convincingly in the test series, shock horror, if they had NOT played SRT and played the guys that were actually scoring. Then again, never let facts get in the way of people's agendas!
Like I have said, Chappel and Dravid aren't the best all-round coach/captain in the world but they seem to be the only people in India who understand the best actual long-term plans for Indian cricket, it is plain to see that the ODI side has been better when it has been built around Dravid and the young boys who are hungry for team success, and while the test side is in transition, it will obviously improve. Sacking Ganguly was completely the correct move, and unless SRT gets straight back into his stride when he makes his latest comeback, his days shuld be correctly judged as numbered.
In the end it seems that no matter how blatant SRT's decline becomes, circles of Indian fans will always be convinced he is a consistent matchwinner, still the best (once he was, but not anymore), deserves a place in the side because of who he is (at the moment, he really doesn't deserve a place)...
As for the head checked out thing? If 3-4 decent knocks out of god knows how many recent innings doesn't make SRT a poor batsman at this present time, I don't know what does. I'm legally sane you know :D
MIG - sorry for going OTT before
Sachin has'nt been performing in test up to late, but that does'ent make him a lesser player, but dont forget he has been in and out with injuries and in and out of cricket action, not a lot of cricket. He isn't in good form, but that does not mean he is fineshed, class and brilliance still remains, he has been performing in the odis, without Sachins contributions in the recent Pak series just gone, India might have lost those matches, those were vital knocks, if Sachin was playing in the odi series vs Eng, it might have been 6-0, instead of 5-1, he was in great form.
Sachin will be the key for India to win the world cup in 2007, just lke he was in 2003, where many poeple criticised him, after a poor series in New Zealand, yet to bounce back strongly even with a injury, and he won India those vital matches and took them to the final.
Just becuase Sachin scored a few runs in that series agaisnt England, does not make him one of the poor batsmen in the Indian team or crap.
Up to late Sachin has'nt been Indias best batsmen beucase of his poor form, but in his 17 year career, he has won more matches then any other Indian batsmen, he has done a lot to Indian cricket, he is one of the best batsmen in the history of the game, and Sachin is miles better then LOADS of other players in cricket right now in their overall careers.
Sachins average in his poor seasons is higher then you best aggresive batsmen, Trescothick in his overall career.
Write him off, but I think preety much soon, he will come back to his natrual consistant aggrasive form again.
Sachin is still enjoying the game, he is very determined to make a comeback.
jusarrived
19th May 2006, 16:51
And yet all that can be countered by a simple look at most of his recent performances. What has he done lately? A hundred and a 95 in the Pakistan ODI series, and a home ton against Sri Lanka. Oooooo. There are several players in the Indian team, not to mention LOADS of players from other teams that have been better of late. And yet Tendulkar is still 'apparently' better
I also must correct you, I never called SRT selfish. I just said Dravid was unselfish, never that SRT was selfish. If everytime an Indian batsman is mentioned as unselfish and the SRT fans blow up and assume you are accusing their God of being a selfish player, wouldn't that show an insecurity of sorts anyway?
Yuvraj, Dhoni and Dravid (just to name 3 Indians) have been a lot more consistent lately and have been putting in more important performances in both forms of the game, how on earth is SRT still the best batsman in the Indian team when he has been scoring so few runs?
The joke that is Indian selection process was summed up when Tendulkar was selected throughout the England tour when he was playing completely uselessly, yet Kaif saved his team from defeat in the 1st test with a gritty 91 (more runs than SRT scored in the entire series), and Kaif lost his place while they continued to pick SRT. No matter how badly SRT performs he is still picked, and that is a disgrace. India would have played more convincingly in the test series, shock horror, if they had NOT played SRT and played the guys that were actually scoring. Then again, never let facts get in the way of people's agendas!
Like I have said, Chappel and Dravid aren't the best all-round coach/captain in the world but they seem to be the only people in India who understand the best actual long-term plans for Indian cricket, it is plain to see that the ODI side has been better when it has been built around Dravid and the young boys who are hungry for team success, and while the test side is in transition, it will obviously improve. Sacking Ganguly was completely the correct move, and unless SRT gets straight back into his stride when he makes his latest comeback, his days shuld be correctly judged as numbered.
In the end it seems that no matter how blatant SRT's decline becomes, circles of Indian fans will always be convinced he is a consistent matchwinner, still the best (once he was, but not anymore), deserves a place in the side because of who he is (at the moment, he really doesn't deserve a place)...
As for the head checked out thing? If 3-4 decent knocks out of god knows how many recent innings doesn't make SRT a poor batsman at this present time, I don't know what does. I'm legally sane you know :D
MIG - sorry for going OTT before
gr8 post whippy,I recommend this for post of the week! :14:
Drop tendu,we will start winning test matches too!
I think we can all safely say that the 1st ODI is over and India/WI performance in THIS match has been discussed to its entirety !
Thanks guys.
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