Run feast expected - W.I v india (1st test)

[kasoo10]

What happened to Waseem Jaffar? Did he got stuck there or someone used crazy glue on him?

[Big Mac]

Jaffer gone for 212, bowled by Bradshaw who got one to nip back in between bat and pad.

[Hash]

Kaif and Yuvraj really getting a move on here.

Partnership of 10 (TEN) runs from the last 5.4 overs! Run rate of 1.76 (despite being in the lead and setting a target on a perfectly decent batting track)

[Geordie Ahmed]

Kaif and Yuvraj really getting a move on here.

Partnership of 10 (TEN) runs from the last 5.4 overs! Run rate of 1.76 (despite being in the lead and setting a target on a perfectly decent batting track)

its 11 from 47 deliveries now, they really are going fast :21:

[sehsan]

Kaif and Yuvraj really getting a move on here.

Partnership of 10 (TEN) runs from the last 5.4 overs! Run rate of 1.76 (despite being in the lead and setting a target on a perfectly decent batting track)

hash bahi, couple of more quick wickets can change the game too

[Hash]

16 runs from the last 60 balls.

Sehsan......surely you can see this is going too far. A couple of wickets can change the game? So are they playing to win or are they playing to save the game?

This is ridiculous. I mean.........3 runs per over, 3.5, 3.25 ok fine. But these two are going at 1.6 per over!

RIDICULOUS

And definitely pours horse manure over all the rubbish that was being spouted about Bata Chappal being a more positive coach than Bob (who was it that said this? It was Imran Khan if I remember correctly?)

[Geordie Ahmed]

16 runs from the last 60 balls.

Sehsan......surely you can see this is going too far. A couple of wickets can change the game? So are they playing to win or are they playing to save the game?

This is ridiculous. I mean.........3 runs per over, 3.5, 3.25 ok fine. But these two are going at 1.6 per over!

RIDICULOUS

And definitely pours horse manure over all the rubbish that was being spouted about Bata Chappal being a more positive coach than Bob (who was it that said this? It was Imran Khan if I remember correctly?)

indeed it was - Bata is more positive, aggresive, goes for the kil, blahdy blah blah - well his team is doing a brilliant job of proving you wrong :))

[jusarrived]

I have said this b4 indin's are ideally looking to give a target of 360 n 90 ovrs..which will keep WI interested,n thus more chances of india winning the test match!

seriously, some of you just stick to watching ODI's!

[Geordie Ahmed]

I have said this b4 indin's are ideally looking to give a target of 360 n 90 ovrs..which will keep WI interested,n thus more chances of india winning the test match!

seriously, some of you just stick to watching ODI's!

or we can stick to watching teams play positive test cricket :19:

[Amjid Javed]

India 410/4 (lead 280)

[Hash]

I have said this b4 indin's are ideally looking to give a target of 360 n 90 ovrs..which will keep WI interested,n thus more chances of india winning the test match!

seriously, some of you just stick to watching ODI's!

and also give West Indies more than a chance of drawing the game!

Yeah mate.....you stick to watching negative cricket :19:

[jusarrived]

or we can stick to watching teams play positive test cricket :19:


Giving an impossible target isnt being positive ..its just playing safe!

[jusarrived]

and also give West Indies more than a chance of drawing the game!
Yeah mate.....you stick to watching negative cricket :19:


if you don take risks,you arnt going to win anything! ;-)

[Amjid Javed]

India will look to declare at tea on day 5 and then try and defend 600 in 30 overs on last day.

even then india will probably bowl negative lines and have 9 men on the boundary.

[Hash]

if you don take risks,you arnt going to win anything! ;-)

so why not take some risks now.....get a decent lead and declare with 5 or 6 overs to go in the day? You have plenty of wickets in hand so why not?

:20:

So what was that you were saying about risks? :)))

[jusarrived]

so why not take some risks now.....get a decent lead and declare with 5 or 6 overs to go in the day? You have plenty of wickets in hand so why not?

:20:

So what was that you were saying about risks? :)))


we are talkin about indian runrate ,arnt we?

still 23 ovrs left in the day,they cud still declare with 5 ovrs to spare n a target of 360..so why do they need to accelerate?

[Tupac]

we are talkin about indian runrate ,arnt we?

still 23 ovrs left in the day,they cud still declare with 5 ovrs to spare n a target of 360..so why do they need to accelerate?

uhh...the more runs you have, the more pressure it creates, moreso cuz i can't exactly see india losing at this point when we are near 300

[Hash]

Yuvraj gone

Why would you want to accelerate with 5 overs to go? You are saying India should declare overnight? Just give the West Indians time to think things through a bit, give their batsman some time to recover from any tiredness that might be creeping in now?

A positive team would be motoring along now and would have set WI 400 odd with 10 overs to go today. Face it.....India is playing very negative cricket at the moment. A fool would be able to see that and I have seen from your previous posts here that you are not a fool so stop blindly defending everything India does.

[Tupac]

LOLLL

Bravo shitting his pants cuz of Dhoni

[Tupac]

Yuvraj gone

Why would you want to accelerate with 5 overs to go? You are saying India should declare overnight? Just give the West Indians time to think things through a bit, give their batsman some time to recover from any tiredness that might be creeping in now?

A positive team would be motoring along now and would have set WI 400 odd with 10 overs to go today. Face it.....India is playing very negative cricket at the moment. A fool would be able to see that and I have seen from your previous posts here that you are not a fool so stop blindly defending everything India does.

whassup? 3 boundaries in the over

[jusarrived]

Yuvraj gone

Why would you want to accelerate with 5 overs to go? You are saying India should declare overnight? Just give the West Indians time to think things through a bit, give their batsman some time to recover from any tiredness that might be creeping in now?

A positive team would be motoring along now and would have set WI 400 odd with 10 overs to go today. Face it.....India is playing very negative cricket at the moment. A fool would be able to see that and I have seen from your previous posts here that you are not a fool so stop blindly defending everything India does.


its a flat pitch,n playing out a draw wudnt be vry difficult..the only thing indians have done is given a smaller target than wat they cud have given ...a target of 425 n 90+ ovrs wudnt interest the WI's...India can win only if they make the WIs batsmen play shots...you will see wat am saying tomorrow

[jusarrived]

Accordin to cricinfo Bradshaw bowled 25 ovrs at a stretch,is that true? :O

[jusarrived]

6 Boundries of last 13 balls ! Dhoni 20(15) 4 fours!

[Amjid Javed]

Accordin to cricinfo Bradshaw bowled 25 ovrs at a stretch,is that true? :O

yeah and indian batsmen made him look wasim akram.

[Hash]

whassup? 3 boundaries in the over

didn't need to be like that if they had got some more earlier! They are doing now what they should have been doing for hours!

[Tupac]

didn't need to be like that if they had got some more earlier! They are doing now what they should have been doing for hours!

they prolly wanted to ensure that they batted the windies out of the game before attempting anything expansive....but yuvi and kaifi did play a bizarre game, only when dhoni has come in now there has been some impetous

[zushy_786]

:91: Typical of the Indians to come out on this board when India are supposedly upping the run rate and hitting fours....

[Uzi]

I haven't understood the strategy of the Indians today.

They should have been more agressive in their strokeplay a lot earlier.

The longer India bat, the more likely the game will be a draw.

[Amjid Javed]

:91: Typical of the Indians to come out on this board when India are supposedly upping the run rate and hitting fours....

Tupac and co must have been asleep whilst dravid was in. :21:

[Amjid Javed]

Dhoni going after the spinners,

2 sixes in a row.

India 477/5

[Amjid Javed]

50 for dhoni, very entertaining!

[Amjid Javed]

Dhoni launches another 2 monster sixes.

hes hit 6 now.

[kasoo10]

:91: Typical of the Indians to come out on this board when India are supposedly upping the run rate and hitting fours....


They are on cricinfo as well. Site is busy as hell!

[Amjid Javed]

63 off 50 balls for dhoni.

[Tupac]

consecutive 6's to dhoni!

[Amjid Javed]

six more, third in a row.

over thus far 1,6,6,6

[Tupac]

Tupac and co must have been asleep whilst dravid was in. :21:

it's a little thing called school ya know

[Tupac]

make it 3!

[Tupac]

wait....make it 4!

[Amjid Javed]

Dhoni hits ball could be a 4th six but fielder catches ball, dispute now wether fielder was touching rope.

[Amjid Javed]

it's a little thing called school ya know

:)) yeah yeah!

[Hash]

Dhoni thinks he is Afridi?

He couldn't hit four in a row because he is just not beastly enough

[Tupac]

hash seems to have disappeared

[jusarrived]

Dhoni thinks he is Afridi?

He couldn't hit four in a row because he is just not beastly enough


welcome back! :D

[akram_rejuvinated]

Dhoni thinks he is Afridi?

He couldn't hit four in a row because he is just not beastly enough

:))) :))) :)))
yeah afridi is the biggest beast of them all... now go play with your afridi action figure.

[Amjid Javed]

a delay now of 10 mins... what a joke!

[akram_rejuvinated]

a delay now of 10 mins... what a joke!
what delay? and what for?

[Amjid Javed]

Huge dispute over the catch, ganga says he caught it dhoni doesnt take his word. Tv replays are inconclusive and umpires lose plot.

Lara getting ****** off with umpires. what a farce 20 mins wasted. India now declare and finally umpires say dhoni is out after he accepts decision.

why didnt dhoni do this in 1st place?

west indies need 392 to win off 95 overs.

[kasoo10]

Huge dispute over the catch, ganga says he caught it dhoni doesnt take his word. Tv replays are inconclusive and umpires lose plot.

Lara getting ****** off with umpires. what a farce 20 mins wasted. India now declare and finally umpires say dhoni is out after he accepts decision.

why didnt dhoni do this in 1st place?

west indies need 392 to win off 95 overs.

Is this really happening in a first class match? India will have a big excuse if they loose this one. They will cry for life.

[Amjid Javed]

Is this really happening in a first class match? India will have a big excuse if they loose this one. They will cry for life.

its really anoys me how batsmen cant accept a fielders word for a catch. The 2 onfield umpires and 3rd umpires made things worse by messing around for 20 mins.

[Hash]

well I had gone for a shower but good to see my opinion was vindicated

[jusarrived]

its really anoys me how batsmen cant accept a fielders word for a catch. The 2 onfield umpires and 3rd umpires made things worse by messing around for 20 mins.


you really think a batsmen can take a fielders word for catch,inspite of seeing cases of them claiming catches which have fallen short so often these days?

[Hash]

you really think a batsmen can take a fielders word for catch,inspite of seeing cases of them claiming catches which have fallen short so often these days?

Ian Bell the CHEAT for example

[jusarrived]

well I had gone for a shower but good to see my opinion was vindicated


n how is that ?

[Hash]

n how is that ?

That India needed to set a target for WI and declare with a few overs left today

It could have been a lot more than this though........50 runs short thanks to the negativity that was being shown earlier.

[kablooee87]

wow the cricinfo commentators are so biased in favour if India. It's unbelievable.

[Hash]

cricinfo isn't even working for me

Seems like all the Indians have suddenly logged on at the same time ever since India has started to do well.....didn't seem to be this slow in the first couple of days (or even during Dravid and Jaffer's tedious partnershit)

[z10]

partnershit :))) :)))

[Uzi]

If Ganga said he caught it cleanly, than they should take his word for it.

[Uzi]

cricinfo isn't even working for me

Seems like all the Indians have suddenly logged on at the same time ever since India has started to do well.....didn't seem to be this slow in the first couple of days (or even during Dravid and Jaffer's tedious partnershit)

:91:

[kablooee87]

150.3 Mohammed to Dhoni, SIX, OMG! Another one disappears out of the ground! He danced down the track and just swung through the line of the ball, that amazing bottom-hand again!
150.4 Mohammed to Dhoni, SIX, oh! what can one say! this one he decides to send over long-leg. Its raining sixes here! quicker on the legs but slightly short and that gives room for Dhoni to free his arms, got under the ball and whacked it over longleg. 100 partnership is up. West Indies are bleeding runs here!
Has the Dhoni show come to an end, if so it was in a typical Dhoni fashion, Not the meek surrender for him, no sir that won't do, but a bold departure! He went down the track, Mohammed sent it, slower, outside the leg stump, Dhoni went down on his knees and hoicked it over towards deep midwicket and the cherry came down at Ganga who takes it at the ropes. doubts were raised whether his feet remained inside the ropes or not, the decision went upstairs. Has Dhoni got a fresh lease of life! The replays were inconclusive, in that tv replays didnt provide the right angle. The decision came back to the on-field umpires. Lara decides to enter the fray, a visibly agitated Lara approached the umpires, wanted the umpires to take his fielder's words. Umpires went to Dhoni, it looked as if Dhoni said he was unsure and is not in a position to take the fielder's word, Lara gets into a discussion with Dhoni now! This is all getting bizarre! Rahul Dravid is signalling from the pavilion, expressing his displeasure. And omg! he has declared! Was it a six or was it out? Things have really heated up in the middle. I have never seen anything like that. UNBELIEVABLE! . This one would feature in one of those books featuring strange and bizarre stories in sport
150.5 Mohammed to Dhoni, OUT, Stop the press! Dhoni is out! Apparently, Dhoni agreed to Lara's take of accepting Ganga's word ... and so the scorecards will record it as Dhoni c Ganga b Mohammed but it won't tell you what drama of soap-opera proportions was played out during that delivery.


Anytime you see the phrase OMG in a professional commentary you know there is something wrong.

[jusarrived]

If Ganga said he caught it cleanly, than they should take his word for it.

you saying as though you know him personally ! :D

[Hash]

:15: If MIG turns up tell him it was a typo!

[akram_rejuvinated]

Ian Bell the CHEAT for example

Moin Khan, and Wasim Akram too my man... Moin claimed a catch on first bounce and Wasim claimed a runnout against Rahul Dravid on a ball firmly struck back towards the bowler- wasim, by tendulkar. the ball struck the wicket and wasim appealed for the runnout as dravid was out of his crease. replays showed that wasim never made contact with the ball but he kept screaming in bucknor's face repeated till he gave dravid out.

there is no fudging need for the batsman to take the fielder's word. the umpire and all the technology is there for a reason. if those technologies are inconclusive, then the benefit must be given to the batsman. Must be start rewarding bowlers for every lbw appeal they go up for as the batsman should just take the bowler;s word for it?

[Monsee]

Moin Khan, and Wasim Akram too my man... Moin claimed a catch on first bounce and Wasim claimed a runnout against Rahul Dravid on a ball firmly struck back towards the bowler- wasim, by tendulkar. the ball struck the wicket and wasim appealed for the runnout as dravid was out of his crease. replays showed that wasim never made contact with the ball but he kept screaming in bucknor's face repeated till he gave dravid out.

there is no fudging need for the batsman to take the fielder's word. the umpire and all the technology is there for a reason. if those technologies are inconclusive, then the benefit must be given to the batsman. Must be start rewarding bowlers for every lbw appeal they go up for as the batsman should just take the bowler;s word for it?



Ganguly and a one bounce catch from 2003 WC comes to mind...NO :21:

[akram_rejuvinated]

Ganguly and a one bounce catch from 2003 WC comes to mind...NO :21:

i am not sure i follow... but if you are hinting toward ganguly taking a catch on one bounce, then yes, include him in the list too. Ganguly often let his desire to win overwhelm his conduct, just as the other two who i mentioned. nevertheless, do give me particulars of this happening.

[Hash]

i am not sure i follow... but if you are hinting toward ganguly taking a catch on one bounce, then yes, include him in the list too. Ganguly often let his desire to win overwhelm his conduct, just as the other two who i mentioned. nevertheless, do give me particulars of this happening.

Dravid and Tendulkar ball tampering (both caught red handed on camera) comes to my mind. I think they too should be added to this 'list' of yours.

I seem to remember Balaji doing the same thing you accused Wasim of. If my memory serves me correctly he did it in the 3rd ODI of the Jeet Lo Dil series to run out Younis Khan.

[ECB]

Ganguly and a one bounce catch from 2003 WC comes to mind...NO :21:


He was a victim himself in the Chennai Test Match ( 1999 - India v.s Pakistan )

Ganguly c Moin b Saqlain

Came of the shoes but umpire didn't call for TV replay

41.5 Saqlain Mushtaq to Ganguly, OUT:

India 82/5, Partnership of 9
SC Ganguly c Moin Khan b Saqlain Mushtaq 2 (25b 0x4 0x6)
Saqlain Mushtaq 14.5-5-19-2

Ganguly cracked this ball to ohard at silly point. the ball off his
body fell down and diving Moin caught it off the ground very
clearly and Dunne gives him out!
this is clearly not out according to TV replays


and this was the chase, decision could have made a big difference

[akram_rejuvinated]

Dravid and Tendulkar ball tampering (both caught red handed on camera) comes to my mind. I think they too should be added to this 'list' of yours.

I seem to remember Balaji doing the same thing you accused Wasim of. If my memory serves me correctly he did it in the 3rd ODI of the Jeet Lo Dil series to run out Younis Khan.

And both of them like gentlemen did not try to contest or deny or even fight the judgement, how so ever controversial it was. In fact, when tendulkar was called for tampering, he was in fact removing grass and dirt from the ball and a majority of the cricket observers from england to australia came to his defence. In fact, the opposition, South Africa supported him too and agreed to renounce the last game of the series.

And believe me mate, ball tampering accusations have plagued more pakistani players than all the rest of the world combined. I think you are just burning in agony at the mention of Moin Khan and Wasim Akram. Well Akram was still a gentleman on other days (saving for accusations of match fixing etc etc) but moin khan, though a very talented player needed an education in ethics.

[akram_rejuvinated]

Dravid and Tendulkar ball tampering (both caught red handed on camera) comes to my mind. I think they too should be added to this 'list' of yours.

I seem to remember Balaji doing the same thing you accused Wasim of. If my memory serves me correctly he did it in the 3rd ODI of the Jeet Lo Dil series to run out Younis Khan.

From what i can gather of the commentary and match report of the game, Balaji did infact make contact and had a legitimate appeal, the ethics of such an appeal are worth discussing, but nevertheless, Balaji does have one onus over Wasim: Balaji made contact with the ball!

[Rickz]

India should be 97% safe now, a team has rarly chased 370 odd runs on the last day.

Kumble will make this total that much harder to chase for the Windies. It'll take something special though as 370 odd on the last day with Kumble is one dam hard task. When the Windies made that record 400+ in the last inns they had 2 days to get it.

But then again, Indias pace bowlers are very inexpierenced, this is testing tiem for them.

I dont think a draws likely here, a India or WI win.

[zaf1986]

India should be 97% safe now, a team has rarly chased 370 odd runs on the last day.

418 was chased here by WI vs the best team in the world.

A draw is still possible because 370 in 3 sessions would be quite difficult and if any one of the WI's top order play a long innings, draw could be possible.

[Hash]

And both of them like gentlemen did not try to contest or deny or even fight the judgement, how so ever controversial it was. In fact, when tendulkar was called for tampering, he was in fact removing grass and dirt from the ball and a majority of the cricket observers from england to australia came to his defence. In fact, the opposition, South Africa supported him too and agreed to renounce the last game of the series.

And believe me mate, ball tampering accusations have plagued more pakistani players than all the rest of the world combined. I think you are just burning in agony at the mention of Moin Khan and Wasim Akram. Well Akram was still a gentleman on other days (saving for accusations of match fixing etc etc) but moin khan, though a very talented player needed an education in ethics.

Neither acted like a gentlemen....in fact both Dravid and Tendulkar flatly denied it (despite being caught on camera). And you know it is not a fielders job to remove grass and dirt from the ball; he has to show it to the umpire and then take it off in front of him with his permission. That is the common practice which you will see at any game.

And yes there were ball tampering allegations at Wasim and Waqar but the FACT is that NEVER has there EVER been ANY evidence WHATSOEVER against them. Unlike Rahul and Sachin who were caught RED HANDED.

As for Balaji.......I don't care or know what the commentators said. If you have highlights of the game (though you probably don't because India lost and we all know about Indians and their highlights) just watch that incident- you will see that Balaji did not touch the ball.

So who is on this 'list' of yours so far?

Wasim and Moin we know. Plus Ian Bell I presume? And Ganguly too? Sachin and Rahul? Balaji? Who else.......might as well keep going. Just to ensure there is no bias or hypocrisy in your analysis.

[Rickz]

418 was chased here by WI vs the best team in the world.

A draw is still possible because 370 in 3 sessions would be quite difficult and if any one of the WI's top order play a long innings, draw could be possible.

That was in two days, a draw is possible, but a predict a India or WI win here.

[purplehaze]

... Sachin who were caught RED HANDED.



Wasn't Mike Dennis the refree of that match where Sachin was reported for tempering? I read he never ever got the chance to be a cricket test refree again, :D is that true?

[zaf1986]

I think Mike Denness still referees.

[purplehaze]

I think Mike Denness still referees.

Checked cricinfo, 2001-2002 was the last year when he last officiated any test match.

[akram_rejuvinated]

Neither acted like a gentlemen....in fact both Dravid and Tendulkar flatly denied it (despite being caught on camera). And you know it is not a fielders job to remove grass and dirt from the ball; he has to show it to the umpire and then take it off in front of him with his permission. That is the common practice which you will see at any game.

And yes there were ball tampering allegations at Wasim and Waqar but the FACT is that NEVER has there EVER been ANY evidence WHATSOEVER against them. Unlike Rahul and Sachin who were caught RED HANDED.

As for Balaji.......I don't care or know what the commentators said. If you have highlights of the game (though you probably don't because India lost and we all know about Indians and their highlights) just watch that incident- you will see that Balaji did not touch the ball.

So who is on this 'list' of yours so far?

Wasim and Moin we know. Plus Ian Bell I presume? And Ganguly too? Sachin and Rahul? Balaji? Who else.......might as well keep going. Just to ensure there is no bias or hypocrisy in your analysis.

lack of evidence in the case of ball tampering is to a great extent due to the lack of proper technology to follow the ball around the park, unlike the contemporary camera networks that purpotedly caught rahul dravid and tendulkar "red handed".

the 'list' as of this moment contains just moin khan who i feel willfully and with a certain level of premeditation violated the code of ethics. there are some other such as roy gilchrist a fiery fast bowler from west indies who resorted to beamers and short pitched delieveries to knock out the batsman if he could not bowl him out; and the architects of bodyline.

i think wasim let his desire to win get the better of him (and now i am saying this a second time). i am sure that in all your ingenuity you can find a clip of the balaji-younis khan dismissal on the net and i ll probably be able to judge it more. and again, why are we adding ganguly to the list?

finally if you think tendulkar and dravid are unethical players of the game, i dont think i can argue with you any more as you seem to suffer from a state of demensia that no persuation on my part could cure (note that i did not add afridi to the list for his pitch tampering that he was caught "red handed" for and duly punished; there are violations, and there are mistakes, and then there are unethical and premeditated conducts).

[Tupac]

Neither acted like a gentlemen....in fact both Dravid and Tendulkar flatly denied it (despite being caught on camera). And you know it is not a fielders job to remove grass and dirt from the ball; he has to show it to the umpire and then take it off in front of him with his permission. That is the common practice which you will see at any game.

And yes there were ball tampering allegations at Wasim and Waqar but the FACT is that NEVER has there EVER been ANY evidence WHATSOEVER against them. Unlike Rahul and Sachin who were caught RED HANDED.

As for Balaji.......I don't care or know what the commentators said. If you have highlights of the game (though you probably don't because India lost and we all know about Indians and their highlights) just watch that incident- you will see that Balaji did not touch the ball.

So who is on this 'list' of yours so far?

Wasim and Moin we know. Plus Ian Bell I presume? And Ganguly too? Sachin and Rahul? Balaji? Who else.......might as well keep going. Just to ensure there is no bias or hypocrisy in your analysis.

hmm...another disciple of Farhad?

And you know it is not a fielders job to remove grass and dirt from the ball; he has to show it to the umpire and then take it off in front of him with his permission. That is the common practice which you will see at any game.

Sachin was doing only that, taking the grass and dirt off the seam. Does that constitute as ball tampering? His only mistake was that he did not inform the umpire. That's all.

If Sachin Tendulkar was really guilty, why did Mike Denness apologize to him? Why did he completely clear him of ball tampering?

Do you even know the context of how he was 'caught'? A television company was recording the day's play and saw sachin with the ball. That tape was given directly to Mike Denness Mike Denness immediately announced his decision, but failed to say anything about it. In the press conference, he remained absolutely quiet. Eventually, he cleared Tendulkar of all wrongdoing. He's lucky Tendulkar didn't slap a suit of defamation on his ass.

How will did Sachin handle the incident? With grace, as always. He didn't make any outlandish comments to the media, or cry about it.

[MIG]

This thread is about WI Vs India First Test - Pls dont get into this SRT debate etc.

[Romali_rotti]

This thread is about WI Vs India First Test - Pls dont get into this SRT debate etc.

:))) feel so sorry for u miggyyyy

[Fish]

If Lara insisted on the batsman to take the fielders word I can see a problem with that.

A) The fielder eyes were firmly fixed looking up towards the ball and he had no chance of knowing if he in fact touched the boundry rope.

B) If the fielder did touch the boundry then all the WI protestations are outside the laws of cricket.

C) The batsman has no obligation to take the fielders word just as a fielder will not accept a batsman insisting he did not get an edge.

D) Ponting raised this issue but the WI cricket players were silent when it came to supporting Ponting and now expect to benifit from something they would not support.

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for teams that find themselves in this position after ignoring the opportunity to make these decisions clear cut after Ponting and the Australian team pushed for not long ago.

[Easa]

Last day's play about to start, India need 10 wickets, Windies need 379 runs.

All four results possible, should be a good day.

[Amjid Javed]

Last day's play about to start, India need 10 wickets, Windies need 379 runs.

All four results possible, should be a good day.

hopefully a west indies win. :D

[zaf1986]

Inshallah.

[Uzzy]

Come on WI! Even if they dont win and it ends a draw im still hoping for India to get thrashed.

[Amjid Javed]

gayle 4 from 36 balls!

:O :O

[Uzi]

The Windies are going at a great rate so far.

[Amjid Javed]

W.I 36/0

356 needed of 79.5 overs

[Uzzy]

Whats the R.R AJ?

[Swaraj!!]

2.31 RPO......not even trying to win IMO. Wasnt this pitch suposed to have eased out.

C Gayle* 15(64)
D Ganga 27(59)

They are making yesterday's Kaifs stint seem like fireworks time.

[Amjid Javed]

W.I 67/1

Ganga gone to kumble, superb one handed catch @ short leg by yuvraj.

[Easa]

Crucial blow.

In form Sarwan in.

[Swaraj!!]

Sarwan gone!!!!

[Amjid Javed]

Sarwan gone, lashes at ball away from body and is caught in gulley.

neva looked comfy in short stay.

W.I 68/2

[Amjid Javed]

lara new man in now.

[MIG]

WI will not survive the day - they just dont play like that - Now watch Lara play a typical swashbuckling 70 odd and then go in an hours time !

[Swaraj!!]

Gayle got a reprive there. Should have been given out.

[Swaraj!!]

Well.....Sreesanth on a roll......Lara Goneeee!!!!!!!!!!!! For a duck

[Amjid Javed]

Lara gone lbw to sreesanth.

looked very close.

W.I 72/3

[Amjid Javed]

i expect all india fans to magically appear on this thread as is the norm. only post when india is doing well.

[Swaraj!!]

Three quick wickets might have just turned things India's way a bit. Could have easily been 4 down. But with Chanderpaul and Bravo still to come, the Windies might still save the game. Winning the game for them is outta question now with Lara and Sarwan gone cheaply.

[Swaraj!!]

i expect all india fans to magically appear on this thread as is the norm. only post when india is doing well.

That's right.....I am here :)

I usually think of it as India loses mostly when I am not able to watch due to other commitments (like I was the whole of the last month)

[Amjid Javed]

That's right.....I am here :)


well am sure tupac, snoop dog and notorious B.I.G will be along shortly. :)

[Romali_rotti]

well am sure tupac, snoop dog and notorious B.I.G will be along shortly. :)

AM always here AJ :D .. Unfortunately I cant see the match on TV, Wonder if Lara cried to Rauf, oh pleease oh please dont give me out, its not fair :6: :6: :6: .. After what he did yesterday he is offically in my COWARDS_LIST. He doesnt have the balls to show this I stick up for my team attitude against Aus, Sa, ENg etc, where he just bows his head down , puts his tail between his legs and walks back like a dog put in its place after a big hard beating from its master. But seems he somehow finds courage against the Asian team :13: ...

[akram_rejuvinated]

AM always here AJ :D .. Unfortunately I cant see the match on TV, Wonder if Lara cried to Rauf, oh pleease oh please dont give me out, its not fair :6: :6: :6: .. After what he did yesterday he is offically in my COWARDS_LIST. He doesnt have the balls to show this I stick up for my team attitude against Aus, Sa, ENg etc, where he just bows his head down , puts his tail between his legs and walks back like a dog put in its place after a big hard beating from its master. But seems he somehow finds courage against the Asian team :13: ...

:))) :))) :)))
well west indies is certainly not going to win now, the only possible outcomes now are either a draw (still credible with the likes of chanderpaul) or an indian win (though they did not really deserve it after their first innings debacle)

[Easa]

Andy Roberts was giving plenty of advice and tips to Irfan Pathan during the lunch break. This might really beneifit Pathan in the long term.

[chuck]

If Lara insisted on the batsman to take the fielders word I can see a problem with that.

A) The fielder eyes were firmly fixed looking up towards the ball and he had no chance of knowing if he in fact touched the boundry rope.

B) If the fielder did touch the boundry then all the WI protestations are outside the laws of cricket.

C) The batsman has no obligation to take the fielders word just as a fielder will not accept a batsman insisting he did not get an edge.

D) Ponting raised this issue but the WI cricket players were silent when it came to supporting Ponting and now expect to benifit from something they would not support.

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for teams that find themselves in this position after ignoring the opportunity to make these decisions clear cut after Ponting and the Australian team pushed for not long ago.

I totally agree.

Taking fielder's word .. wow ... Nobel as it sounds (from bowling team perspective of course) .. tell me why did Gayle did not take fielders word for a catch today which was really very close. Just a day before his captain pleaded Dhoni to walk off after umpire gave him not out. Dhoni accepted and walked. How about a quick return favor. If Lara was really trying to build some character stuff then he should have given the same instruction to his team (to walk off after fielder claims the catch). Afterall he expected the other team to do exactly that and they complied. What happens if Gayle ends up being the difference between losing and a draw or an improbable win?

You see the problem with this logic is that the bowling side will always say that "take fielder's word" and batting side would always think otherwise. What happened in a matter of 2 days shows the real problem. It's basically a theory of convenience. People will always say things which will suit their team in a given situation. The best thing is to accept umpire's verdict and carry on. There would always be some wrong one's but it's part of game.

[Pathan007]

India 1up in the 4match series :19:

[Easa]

Gayle opening up a bit.

33.4 Kumble to Gayle, FOUR!!, drives it between extra cover and mid off, Patel begins to chase it but thats through

33.2 Kumble to Gayle, FOUR!!, tossed up and this time Gayle hits it over the infield, aiming mid wicket

[Easa]

India 1up in the 4match series :19:

Not just yet.

[Amjid Javed]

Chanderpaul smashes ball into yuvraj @ short leg!

well done shiv!

[Amjid Javed]

superb cover drive for 4 by shiv.

91/3

[zMario]

Four more for Chanderpaul!

[zMario]

2 more runs!

[zMario]

Nevermind, just one!

[zMario]

West Indies 92/3

[Amjid Javed]

4 more runs for shiv.

96/3

sreesanth has stopped staring and jumping around like a monkey now. Thankfully.

[zMario]

Sreesanth around the wicket

[zMario]

4 more runs for shiv.

96/3

sreesanth has stopped staring and jumping around like a monkey now. Thankfully.
He still is scratching his butt...

[zMario]

Big bouncer to Gayle!

[zMario]

That kaloo with the yellow shirt has a Razor phone!!!

[Amjid Javed]

4 more as shiv slaps a floating half volley for 4.

100/3

[zMario]

Odd, is it not? I didn't know Razors were in Caribbean

[zMario]

Beautiful shot!!, 4 more

[zMario]

100 runs up for the Windies!

[Amjid Javed]

He still is scratching his butt...

:)))

[zMario]

Chanderpaul going at a very high strike rate, 19 off 24 balls

[Amjid Javed]

wow! what a shot 4 more!

104/3 now.

shiv on fire west indies going for the win!

[zMario]

Another 4 for Shiv!

[Easa]

36.6 Sreesanth to Chanderpaul, FOUR!!, overpitched and widish, driving off the front foot and once again sweetly timed to sweeper cover

[Amjid Javed]

gayle now hits 4

[Easa]

Good stuff by Chanderpaul, Windies 104-3

[zMario]

Brilliant drive by Gayle!

[zMario]

West Indies 108/3

[zMario]

Lots of turn for Kumble :(

[Amjid Javed]

W.I 108/3

285 off 57 overs still very achievable.

[zMario]

i expect all india fans to magically appear on this thread as is the norm. only post when india is doing well.
And I laugh when the Windies win, and all the indians are on this forum :)))

[zMario]

W.I 108/3

285 off 57 overs still very achievable.
Yep, and now that the nose picker is bowling (Munaf), its very possible

[zMario]

The Nose Picker has been warned!

[akram_rejuvinated]

Nah... a win is highly improbably for west indies. they cant maintain their current scoring rate (and i mean this particular patnership) fr the remaing 50 odd overs and if either one of these two falls, a defeat would be round the corner. maybe west indies should try to score for another few overs, maybe put a scare in the indian bowlers and then buckle down and play it safe wear out the attack and then eventually ride that to a draw.

attempting to go for a win would be fruitless and would almost certainly result in a loss.

[zMario]

Nah... a win is highly improbably for west indies. they cant maintain their current scoring rate (and i mean this particular patnership) fr the remaing 50 odd overs and if either one of these two falls, a defeat would be round the corner. maybe west indies should try to score for another few overs, maybe put a scare in the indian bowlers and then buckle down and play it safe wear out the attack and then eventually ride that to a draw.

attempting to go for a win would be fruitless and would almost certainly result in a loss.
India can never be scared, only frightened to death :)))

[Amjid Javed]

Shivs test record v india

overall ---- 14 mtchs 22 inns 7 n.o 1280 runs @ 85.33 - 5 (100) 7 (50)
@ home -- 10 mtchs 15 inns 5 n.o 1005 runs @ 100.50 - 4 (100) 6 (50)

and just think wasim jaffer dropped him.

[akram_rejuvinated]

required run rate just over 5... just when the match is getting interesting... i have class! damn you vlsi! bringer of pain and stealer of joy! see ya all at 3 cst.

[Amjid Javed]

3 more for shiv thru covers.

[Amjid Javed]

required run rate just over 5... just when the match is getting interesting... i have class! damn you vlsi! bringer of pain and stealer of joy! see ya all at 3 cst.

i take it youll be back if india get back on top. enjoy youre "class" ;-) :))

[zMario]

Well, im getting bored..

[zMario]

WI playing slow now

[Amjid Javed]

W.i 113/3

[Easa]

113-3

A windies win is possible if these two get the majority of the runs, the rest can be knocked of by Bravo, Ramdin, Bradshaw.

[zMario]

No ball!!

[zMario]

Oh, I didn't know if u touch the back front line, its a no ball

[HAFRIDI]

And I laugh when the Windies win, and all the indians are on this forum :)))

:)))

If windies Win..

Knowing India, they will alone release a dvd on Dhoni's 3 sucessive sixes

CricInfo will forget to do an 'OMG windies have done it', instead the site will be down for a few days

[zMario]

Byes?

[zMario]

:)))

If windies Win..

Knowing India, they will alone release a dvd on Dhoni's 3 sucessive sixes

CricInfo will forget to do an 'OMG windies have done it', instead the site will be down for a few days
:)))

[Amjid Javed]

W.I 122/3

50 runs partnership off 84 balls..

[Rana]

wats the situation ppl???

wats happend???

whos winning????

[zMario]

Yay, finally, FOUR!

[Easa]

43.6 Kumble to Gayle, FOUR!!, Gayle punches it just wide of mid off, Sreesanth scrambles across, but its a misfield and lets it through to the fence

44.2 Patel to Chanderpaul, FOUR!!, overpitched and enough width for Chanderpaul to lean into it and strokes it square of the wicket

Windies attacking again!

[HAFRIDI]

Go windiesss!!

[Amjid Javed]

266 needed from 50 overs.

126/3 latest...

[zMario]

Great, then WI should think it this way.

WI 0/3, need 266 to win from 50 overs

[shan]

50 overs to go will windie survive?

[Hash]

49 overs to survive.......7 wickets in hand!

260 runs to win. if Lara had still been there I would have said they have a chance of winning this. They've probably lost one wicket too many. Will need a miracle.

[Amjid Javed]

50 for gayle, well played.

W.I 132/3

[Amjid Javed]

49 overs to survive.......7 wickets in hand!

India are up against it :P

[z10]

cricinfo has crashed again

[Hash]

I guess that Indian family in Calcutta has woken up

[HAFRIDI]

:91: :91:

[Amjid Javed]

cricinfo has crashed again

It always happens when oppostion is on top.

[Amjid Javed]

Forearm slap from shiv for 4.

top shot!

[Easa]

I guess that Indian family in Calcutta has woken up

:))

[cavin420]

cricinfo has crashed again
:89: :89:

[HAFRIDI]

53.6 Sreesanth to Chanderpaul, FOUR!!, gets the width and Chanderpaul, with extreme ease, cuts it square of the wicket

Kumble is back now!

[Amjid Javed]

W.I 152/3 and looking solid at moment.

[Amjid Javed]

superb leave by gayle, lets ball go thru his legs and ball goes over stumps.

[Amjid Javed]

As bumble would say can we have our ball back please.

monster six which lands in mumbai. gayle slaps a medium pace floater from kumble miles.

W.I 158/3 @ tea.

[cavin420]

good good...go windies gooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

chris gayleeeeeeeeee you lillllllll beautyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

[Rana]

so wats the required rate and all that???

[kablooee87]

With 37 overs remaining the West Indies need 234 runs at 6.32 RPO with 7 wickets in hand.

[zushy_786]

so wats the required rate and all that???

Considering that they need 234 runs in 38 overs, works out to 6.15....A tall task if I must say, I beleive it's a safe bet that this is heading for a draw......

[zushy_786]

Interesting cartoon -

http://www.cricbuzz.com/templates/cbtemplate/cartoons/images/2006/jun/03chappell.jpg

[Amjid Javed]

Looks like india have settled for a draw, they took to long in declaring and scoring runs in 2nd inns, on such a placid surface there pop gun attack needed more time to sucseed.

[Rana]

i hope windies go for the win!

[zushy_786]

i hope windies go for the win!

I highly doubt that they will...

[Rana]

windies shud just keep the run rate ticking and try not to lose any wickets, when they come to a stage wer the r.r is about 7-8 they shud just go for the attack in the last few overs!

[cavin420]

its important they dont loose any wickets till tea. after tea they can have a go in the last 20 odd overs if they wish too.

[Amjid Javed]

sehwag looks well funny with his bald head!

[Amjid Javed]

Gayle hits kumble for six but is out few balls later lbw.

W.I 171/4

[Amjid Javed]

Bravo new man in now.

[MIG]

And the end begins....

[Amjid Javed]

Bravo slashes ball past slip.

17 runs off over and a wicket.

W.I 178/4

[Amjid Javed]

And the end begins....

.... for india :)

[Amjid Javed]

Kaif seems to be suffering verbal diarrhea!

he shud just shut up!

[Amjid Javed]

50 for shiv well played.

[Amjid Javed]

4 more for shiv thru cover drive.

W.I 190/4

[Amjid Javed]

more runs for shiv.

w.i 194/4

[Amjid Javed]

W.I 201/4

bravo drives down ground for 4.

[Amjid Javed]

29 over to go and west indies can still win this.

[Amjid Javed]

Oh no chanderpaul gone caught behind of his pad!

poor decision.

W.I 202/5

[Amjid Javed]

Ramdin new batsmen in.

[MIG]

27 overs or so left and 5 more wickets to get....

AJ, I wouldnt hold out for the WI - they will be very lucky to scrape thru with a draw now

[Amjid Javed]

27 overs or so left and 5 more wickets to get....

AJ, I wouldnt hold out for the WI - they will be very lucky to scrape thru with a draw now

25 overs left.. west indies mite aswell go for win as they have better chance then blocking for a draw.

[Amjid Javed]

Two cracking shots for 4 by bravo.

216/5

[Amjid Javed]

more runs for bravo thru cut shot.

[Amjid Javed]

W.i 220/5

[Amjid Javed]

Kumble bowling faster than pathan ever has for india, 56.5mph

[Amjid Javed]

Bravo now gone to sehwag.

220/6

game over now....!!

all the india fans will be back on board from school/work lol!

[Tupac]

niiice...chanderz gone when got home from school, and just as a sit down, bravo goes!

GO INDIA GO!

[Amjid Javed]

niiice...chanderz gone when got home from school, and just as a sit down, bravo goes!

GO INDIA GO!

:))) :)))

i knew ud come back ... so how was "school" :21: :21: ??

[Tupac]

great, programmed lego :) with NQC....my engineering teacher was watching the game with me at school too

[Tupac]

great shot by ramdin for 4

[Amjid Javed]

still 21 overs to go...

[Amjid Javed]

W.i 226/6 (74)

[Amjid Javed]

Ramdin gone now caught in slip, shewag strikes again!

7 down!

[Hash]

21 overs to go plus bad light so make it 18 or so. West Indies need to dig deep. Come on!

[Hash]

Ramdin gone now caught in slip, shewag strikes again!

7 down!

ah well. Guess it is over then.

[Tupac]

sehwag you beauty!! what a ball...BRUAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Hindustan Zindabad!

[akram_rejuvinated]

Oh no chanderpaul gone caught behind of his pad!

poor decision.

W.I 202/5

Alas! India deserved to win, but i think a win on the back of a poor decision at a crucial stage is in my opinion a farce. But one may also reason that Gayle got a reprive earlier and i think the pendulumn of poor decisions swings either ways. Its sad that with so much technology available we are still not embracing a new era of umpiring with open arms.

[Amjid Javed]

akram, welcome back how was work?

[Tupac]

sehwag getting superb drift away from the right hander

[Tupac]

what a shot from mohammad!

[Hash]

akram, welcome back how was work?

:)))

[zushy_786]

I see that cricinfo has also been suffering less crashes now....

[akram_rejuvinated]

copy and paste :14:

want me to scan my notes and send them to you? maybe you could attempt to learn something beyond the scope of your miniscule brain?

[Hash]

want me to scan my notes and send them to you? maybe you could attempt to learn something beyond the scope of your miniscule brain?

yes. Please scan your notes. Post them in time pass.

Other than that I am perfectly happy with my academic success and don't need to learn anything from someone who spends his time copying and pasting from the internet :19:

[Amjid Javed]

want me to scan my notes and send them to you? maybe you could attempt to learn something beyond the scope of your miniscule brain?

yes please do scan your notes am intrested to see what you do everytime india is getting pasted! :))

[Amjid Javed]

Runs galore for west indies.

260/7

keep going west indies.

[Amjid Javed]

2 more for bradshaw.

W.I mite aswell go for the win.

[Amjid Javed]

W.I 264/7

Last hour starts (minimum of 15 overs to go)

west indies mite aswell go for win rather than block.

[Amjid Javed]

New ball taken.

[akram_rejuvinated]

yes. Please scan your notes. Post them in time pass.

Other than that I am perfectly happy with my academic success and don't need to learn anything from someone who spends his time copying and pasting from the internet :19:

i have the notes scanned as an adobe file. let me know if you want me to email them to you... there is a limit on the size of attachments at 39.1kbs which is way to small for me to post a scanned sheet(s) of paper.

[akram_rejuvinated]

draw eminent...

[Amjid Javed]

3 for bradshaw.

W.I 276/7

11 OVERS TO GO...

[pakistani pride]

hmm well this should be save !

[Tupac]

mohammaed and bradshaw playing well..bring back jumbo!

[Amjid Javed]

Damn bradshaw gone now to patel.

[Rana]

how many overs left??

[Uzi]

The umpires have gifted this game to India.

Bradshaw didn't make any contact with the ball, his bat hit his pad.

[akram_rejuvinated]

how many overs left??

less then 10
i say draw still eminent, but this is one time where i would rather have my clairvoyance false!

[Tupac]

unlucky bradshaw...oh well, the indians were unlucky in the morning off gayle 2 times as well

[pakistani pride]

how is the light ?

[Cartman]

whgo was the umpire who made bradshaw decision>> i know lara was given out by taufel and he was unlucky.

[TaZ]

How similar is this to Pak v Ind at Bangalore when kumble was defying us with overs running out!?

[akram_rejuvinated]

The umpires have gifted this game to India.

Bradshaw didn't make any contact with the ball, his bat hit his pad.

as i said... a victory on the basis of poor umpiring decisions is in my opinion a farce. but come to think of it, the pendulumn has swung both ways. gayle was given not out much earlier in the first session in the over right after sarwan's dismissal.

i think the umpires are secretly toying with lara for his unwelcome outburst! payback is always a b i t c h.

[Amjid Javed]

10 overs left!

[TaZ]

crowd were unhappy with the decision, few plastic bottles were thrown in the ground but all is under control now
84.2 Patel to Bradshaw, OUT, Munaf Patel gets the breakthrough for India! It was a full-length delivery , just short of driveable length, sucking Bradshaw forward, who is bit late in leaning forward, and pushes at it, inside the line of the ball a bit , the bat hits the pad and it was not sure whether there was an edge enroute to Dhoni! Replays were inconclusive. Atleast the ones shown so far. I am not sure he touched it, Bradshaw is unlucky
IDR Bradshaw c Dhoni b Patel 10 (37b 0x4 0x6) sr: 27.02

[akram_rejuvinated]

How similar is this to Pak v Ind at Bangalore when kumble was defying us with overs running out!?

very similar indeed, the turning point in that game was single pathan took to assume strike against kaneria who kumble was negotiating rather well. that match however was not so down the wire as this one. india hardly made an effort to chase down the total and pakistan outplayed india in all departments save for when sehwag was at the crease.

[Amjid Javed]

9 overs left, indians appealing for everything!

[akram_rejuvinated]

how is the light ?

doesnt matter, these are the mandatory overs. i.e. will be bowled unless both teams decide to not persue any further.