Hijab and Niqab.

[Nakhuda]

A'salamu Alaykum.The hijab and niqab issue has always interested me cos their are divided opinions on it,many Muslims consider it compulsory where as others a choice.No women in my family has ever thought of it as an obligation yet i see increasing number of Pakistani girls are taking too the hijab.
I don't have a problem with that but do so when certain women are condemned for not wearing it often looked upon as poor Muslims.
Similarly i also find the niqab to be even more uncomfortable.
Do other passioners like i consider this to be more a part of Arab culture or an Islamic requirement?.

[Schiller]

Covering the face is not a requirement.

[cavin420]

Covering the face is not a requirement.
but it is encouraged. (correct me if i am wrong ?

[ziggy]

If i responded to this post i would be banned quicker than i can type banned..

[Nakhuda]

What about hijab???.Arn't the "dupatta" or hat just as effective?
Whats wrong with a lady showing her hair??.Why should Pakistani women be forced to dress as Arabs and trade in our own culture.

[Schiller]

Modesty is encouraged but if wearing a niqab becomes a tradition or viewed as compulsory, i hold it to be bidah. Quran does not mention Niqab and I go by that.

Nakhuda

so long as you can follow the guideline in Quran, the cloth you use and the manner thereof is irrelevant.

[Raz]

Islam commands muslim females to cover everything apart from their feet, hands and face.

[MIG]

Niqab is a Bedouin tradition - this is why Arabs from the MidEast and Muslims from Malaysia wear a different sort of cover.

[snazir6]

islam tells women to cover thei beauty..and some muslims consider this 2 mean the face as well.

[Nesreen]

Whats wrong with a lady showing her hair??.Why should Pakistani women be forced to dress as Arabs and trade in our own culture.
It is wrong because a woman who shows her hair will get the azab of having every hair on her head replaced with an Anthrax* in hell .

the hadith says
" Kullu shaa'raten jamraten men naar"

as for naqab....it is optional. but some families feel its obligatory.



*Angaar.

[Hash]

I don't believe woman should have to cover their heads and the covering of the face (in my opinion) is a disgusting practice.

I don't have an issue with someone wearing hijab but I do have an issue with people trying to force others to do so. There was an incident in Lahore a few years back when some Pathan Mullah started having a go at my cousin because she hadn't covered her head. He got some firm words back and scurried off never to be seen again.

The way I see it........men should lower their gaze. A woman should not have to cover her head just because men in Muslim countries are so sexually frustrated that they get turned on by a bit of hair.

[Nesreen]

A woman should not have to cover her head just because men in Muslim countries are so sexually frustrated that they get turned on by a bit of hair.
Thats not the reason bhai...it is already haram.

[lahori@denmark]

the hadith says
" Kullu shaa'raten jamraten men naar"




*Angaar.
what does it mean???

perda is very important for women and men ..but it never considered as ghnah or such thing but if one is not doing pardha etc so it can bring some bad habits(ghuna) to society therefor its important ..

[cinderella]

Thats not the reason bhai...it is already haram.

Im with ya on this. A Muslim girl should cover her entire body except face, hands and feet, which can be covered optionally.

[Nesreen]

what does it mean???.
As i said in the same post

"each hair with an anthrax of fire"
har ek bal ek angaraa hoga..

[Oxy]

I think this is an issue that men should keep out of - we dont have to wear it, so shouldnt enforce it on women.

My wife doesnt wear it - she 'knows' she should - and will do so when she is ready to.

[HAFRIDI]

oxy, I hear a lot of this 'when im ready' stuff and they say they will start wearing a hijab- when they settle down, get married(which is an intresting logic- how do u even know if u will live till marriage etc?)- quite suprised that ur wifey said 'when im ready' as well. Don't get the wrong end here, of course i respect everyone's views.

[cinderella]

oxy, I hear a lot of this 'when im ready' stuff and they say they will start wearing a hijab- when they settle down, get married(which is an intresting logic- how do u even know if u will live till marriage etc?)- quite suprised that ur wifey said 'when im ready' as well. Don't get the wrong end here, of course i respect everyone's views.

Spot on ~
How can you delay something you 'know' is right ?

[Oxy]

oxy, I hear a lot of this 'when im ready' stuff and they say they will start wearing a hijab- when they settle down, get married(which is an intresting logic- how do u even know if u will live till marriage etc?)- quite suprised that ur wifey said 'when im ready' as well. Don't get the wrong end here, of course i respect everyone's views.She's never actually said 'when she is ready' - thats my interpretation. Dont agree with it, but like I said - 'they know the score'....

[HAFRIDI]

She's never actually said 'when she is ready' - thats my interpretation. Dont agree with it, but like I said - 'they know the score'....

Hmm intresting

It's all about the 'scarf's' though isn't it for the youth, have it starting from the middle of ur head :))

Sadly tradition play's a big part

[kasoo10]

From AskImam website with reference to Quran and Hadit:

The proper definition of Hijaab can be understood from the following verse of the noble Qur’aan, ‘O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That would be better that they should be known so as not to be annoyed.’ Imaam Qurtubi has mentioned the explanation of ‘cloaks’ given by Abdullah ibn Mas’ood [Radhiallaahu anhu] in his famous Tafseer ‘Al-Jaami li bayanil Qur’aan’. Abdullah ibn Mas’ood [Radhiallaahu anhu] states that the cloaks should be tied or wound in such a way that only one eye remains exposed or another method would be to tie the upper portion on the brow just above the eyes and another portion above the nose just below the eyes, leaving only the two eyes exposed. (vol.14 pg.232; Darul hadith-Cairo). It is not permissible for a young woman to expose her face in the presence of non-Mahram men. (Shaami vol.1 pg.406; HM Saeed)


http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=11810

[Schiller]

From AskImam website with reference to Quran and Hadit:

The proper definition of Hijaab can be understood from the following verse of the noble Qur’aan, ‘O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That would be better that they should be known so as not to be annoyed.’ Imaam Qurtubi has mentioned the explanation of ‘cloaks’ given by Abdullah ibn Mas’ood [Radhiallaahu anhu] in his famous Tafseer ‘Al-Jaami li bayanil Qur’aan’. Abdullah ibn Mas’ood [Radhiallaahu anhu] states that the cloaks should be tied or wound in such a way that only one eye remains exposed or another method would be to tie the upper portion on the brow just above the eyes and another portion above the nose just below the eyes, leaving only the two eyes exposed. (vol.14 pg.232; Darul hadith-Cairo). It is not permissible for a young woman to expose her face in the presence of non-Mahram men. (Shaami vol.1 pg.406; HM Saeed)


http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=11810

Completely disagree with the above!! WHo is abdullah masood to say what should be done when the Quran explicitly states the parts that need to be covered.

[catwoman]

I'm against both especially face covering. Covering your head does not provide security for women as some people who advocate it claim.

[Pace_Attack]

Muslim women shoudl wear Hijab,,,,,]


If they wear it faithfully then it is a sign of muslim belif and strength...



In todays world with muslims targeted, Muslims should beocme ultra faithfull and loyal to islam

[catwoman]

Muslim women shoudl wear Hijab,,,,,]


If they wear it faithfully then it is a sign of muslim belif and strength...



In todays world with muslims targeted, Muslims should beocme ultra faithfull and loyal to islam

Hijab is a personal decision and it should never be forced.

[Pace_Attack]

Of course not, but it should never be demeaned its a Muslim womens badge of honour..

if a women who dosent want to wear a hijab and is forced to wear it, inside her heart she can be a complete western wannabe skank,,, but she is forced to wear it thus, she through her un-islamic actions will taint and demean both islam and the true muslim women who wear the Hijab....




Hijab should always be a sign of faithfullness, loyalty and strength, it should Never be forced upon anyone it makes it pointless.



Hijab is about honour, if your heart isnt pure and honourable DONT wear the hijab.

[m_sohail]

Hijab is a personal decision and it should never be forced.

Hijab was made so that females would be viewd as people, not as sex objects. That is why Hijab is mandatory, so that females can be seen on an equal plane with men.

Notice how there has been a struggle for female rights throughout time, how women have faught to be equal and not seen as only useful for sex, Islam has prefaced many of the struggles by cleary implementing rules/laws that show that woman are more than that.

[catwoman]

Hijab was made so that females would be viewd as people, not as sex objects. That is why Hijab is mandatory, so that females can be seen on an equal plane with men.

Notice how there has been a struggle for female rights throughout time, how women have faught to be equal and not seen as only useful for sex, Islam has prefaced many of the struggles by cleary implementing rules/laws that show that woman are more than that.

Women are still viewed as sex objects in many Muslims countries and men stare at women regardless of what they wear.

Asking women to wear hijab because of horny men doesn't reflect equality!

[catwoman]

Of course not, but it should never be demeaned its a Muslim womens badge of honour..

if a women who dosent want to wear a hijab and is forced to wear it, inside her heart she can be a complete western wannabe skank,,, but she is forced to wear it thus, she through her un-islamic actions will taint and demean both islam and the true muslim women who wear the Hijab....




Hijab should always be a sign of faithfullness, loyalty and strength, it should Never be forced upon anyone it makes it pointless.



Hijab is about honour, if your heart isnt pure and honourable DONT wear the hijab.

So people who willingly do hijab don't do anything unIslamic? Last time I checked, no one in this world is sin-free.

[Pace_Attack]

YES but they shouldnt,, they should only wear the Hijab when they have attained a level of honour which makes them worthy of wearing the Hijab, otherwise dont bother,

[catwoman]

YES but they shouldnt,, they should only wear the Hijab when they have attained a level of honour which makes them worthy of wearing the Hijab, otherwise dont bother,

Then I guess nobody should be wearing a hijab since everyone sins....

[kasoo10]

Question: If I leave my valuables on the street and expect no one to steal them, am I correct? Or should I protect my valuables and put them in a strong vault?

[nafajafam]

hijab is not only a peice of cloth tied over the head, but a complete lifestyle.

[Pace_Attack]

There is sinning then there is sinning,,,

Hijab is a preservation of dignity, you dont have to be the best muslim to wear a hijab aslong as you understand WHY you wear the hijab as barrier to stop from men and society from determinging what beauty is and how you should look like.

Men want to see make up, they want to see tight clothes and flowing hair and big breasts, it is not freedom to let them do it, and to subconciusly con women and young girls to dress in a way men want them to dress.



Hijab simply dissallows men to look upon the beauty of women then only the man who has gven them loyalty through marriage should be allowed to see, it makes it difficult for society to judge on a womens body and looks and clothes and style..
There will still be perverts out there, BUT atleast now they will have nothing to look at

[catwoman]

There is sinning then there is sinning,,,

Hijab is a preservation of dignity, you dont have to be the best muslim to wear a hijab aslong as you understand WHY you wear the hijab as barrier to stop from men and society from determinging what beauty is and how you should look like.

Men want to see make up, they want to see tight clothes and flowing hair and big breasts, it is not freedom to let them do it, and to subconciusly con women and young girls to dress in a way men want them to dress.



Hijab simply dissallows men to look upon the beauty of women then only the man who has gven them loyalty through marriage should be allowed to see, it makes it difficult for society to judge on a womens body and looks and clothes and style..
There will still be perverts out there, BUT atleast now they will have nothing to look at


It is not freedom to make a woman cover up and hide her beauty just because men can't control their eyes. ::J

[Pace_Attack]

Its not about men,,,, Hijab is for BOTH men and women, BOTH men and women should be honourable, both men and women should both lower their gaze and cover themselves and protect their "aura's"....


It is dishonourable to wake up every morning and wear clothes so people will look at you, put cake loads of make up on your face, streak your hair and then wear tight and low cut salwar kameezes.

What does the individual women get, she has been conned b society, she is doing exactly what men want her to do, she is trying to attain societies definition of beauty,



Hijab denies men and society the ability to define what female beauty is and it denines men the ability to look at women, it means ONLY the man who gives loaylty through marriage to a women has the right to look upon her beauty

[catwoman]

Men will only stop staring at women if they start covering their faces and start looking like ninjas. ::J

Looking good is not dishonorable, it is everyone's right. If men are allowed to dress well, woman should be no different.

[Pace_Attack]

What makes you think dressing well means not wearing a hijab,,, how did this little message get into your head, that wearing a hijab is not dressing well.

Thats what im telling you Mona, you've fallen for it youve fallen for a trick by men, society and kaffir that wearing a Hijab and being honourable is bad.




Men will look at women REGARDLESS,,, the idea is not to give them anything to look at.

[catwoman]

Dressing well means not wearing a hijab because a woman is being forced to hide her hair, arms, legs. Dressing and looking good in any way you choose is anything but dishonorable.

The only way men will stop looking at women is if they start covering their faces and staying at home...is that possible? ::J

[m_sohail]

Men will only stop staring at women if they start covering their faces and start looking like ninjas.

Looking good is not dishonorable, it is everyone's right. If men are allowed to dress well, woman should be no different.

Hijab is different from nikab.

Wearing a Hijab reduces the imagination quite a bit. The point is not to stare, but to view females as humans instead of just sex objects.

As for looking good, eventually if you stress over how good you look, a point will come where you only care about your looks. Everything else will become secondary. Looking good is not dishonorable, but there is a place and time for everything.

[entralinks]

Definitely should cover themselves. Women in proper hijab get away more from lusty eyes then those without. Also naturally they start getting, not only deserving, respect.

[catwoman]

Hijab is different from nikab.

Wearing a Hijab reduces the imagination quite a bit. The point is not to stare, but to view females as humans instead of just sex objects.

As for looking good, eventually if you stress over how good you look, a point will come where you only care about your looks. Everything else will become secondary. Looking good is not dishonorable, but there is a place and time for everything.

In most Muslim countries where women do cover up, they're still looked upon as sex objects and they don't have equal rights as men in many aspects.

Looks are very important and an asset for a person.

[Pace_Attack]

????????????????
Mona you sure your a muslim, because you seem to be completly fooled by society and kaffir to think beauty and dressing well means showing your body and your hair, arms and legs...

Men WANT to see these things, you are putting your body on a plate for them...


Dignity, nobility and Honour and worth more then looking good.




Only whores put looking good, above nobility, dignity and honour..


You can dress in nice colours and in nice styles asloing, as islamic basics are followed WE ARE MUSLIMS, lets give our loyalty to islam, at a time when muslims are attacked it is ultra important we do this and forsake the kaffir.



Muslim dignity and honour should be goals...

[catwoman]

????????????????
Mona you sure your a muslim, because you seem to be completly fooled by society and kaffir to think beauty and dressing well means showing your body and your hair, arms and legs...

Men WANT to see these things, you are putting your body on a plate for them...


Dignity, nobility and Honour and worth more then looking good.




Only whores put looking good, above nobility, dignity and honour..


You can dress in nice colours and in nice styles asloing, as islamic basics are followed WE ARE MUSLIMS, lets give our loyalty to islam, at a time when muslims are attacked it is ultra important we do this and forsake the kaffir.



Muslim dignity and honour should be goals...


I'm not fooled by anyone. ::J

Women who don't cover up do have dignity and self respect and are not whores who want male attention. You don't know what's inside their hearts so who the hell are you to judge? :30:

[entralinks]

Mona stop lying, you know very well you want male attention whenever you go out, who are you kidding?

[Pace_Attack]

Your telling me, you just told me looking good means showing your hair and your beauty and arms and legs.

Im telling you THATS what society and men want, you've been fooled and conned into thinking that a women can only look good if she shows herself to men and everyone, so men look at her and flirt with her,,,,




Wearing a hijab being noble and dignified, dosent means you cant dress well, it just means you give loyalty to Allah, Islam and the man who gives loyalty in marriage to you......




Dont keep eating kaffir propaganda Mona,

[m_sohail]

In most Muslim countries where women do cover up, they're still looked upon as sex objects and they don't have equal rights as men in many aspects.

Looks are very important and an asset for a person.

The woman not having equal rights are due to the cowards who have modified Islamic teachings to their own benefit.

If you are looking at Islam from that view, then I do not believe you are correct in doing so. One must learn Islam for themselves, read the Qu'ran, read Namaz, read many insightful books to gain a full understanding of what Islam really is, not make conclusions from looking at countries that use Islam in a negative way.

[catwoman]

Your telling me, you just told me looking good means showing your hair and your beauty and arms and legs.

Im telling you THATS what society and men want, you've been fooled and conned into thinking that a women can only look good if she shows herself to men and everyone, so men look at her and flirt with her,,,,




Wearing a hijab being noble and dignified, dosent means you cant dress well, it just means you give loyalty to Allah, Islam and the man who gives loyalty in marriage to you......




Dont keep eating kaffir propaganda Mona,

That's what looking good means for me...I don't need your feedback on my opinions.

For pete's sake, a woman does not expose herself to get male attention. She only does it look good for herself. ::J

Wearing a piece of cloth on your head does not show loyalty for God or your husband. A hijab does not reflect noblity and dignity because people who wear hijabs are no angels either.

Kafir propoganda? :30:

[m_sohail]

I'm not fooled by anyone. ::J

It is unfair for you to say that, because you do not know:

1. How peaceful and relaxing it is to read Namaz.
2. How beautiful and heartwarming it is to read/hear the Qu'ran in Arabic.
3. How amazingly your mind works after you have read the Qu'ran in English, understanding what it says.
4. How relaxed a feeling it is knowing that Allah is protecting and watching over you, keeping you safe.

You do not know such things because, I assume, you have never practiced these things. Thus I really think it was unfair of you to say that statement.

[catwoman]

It is unfair for you to say that, because you do not know:

1. How peaceful and relaxing it is to read Namaz.
2. How beautiful and heartwarming it is to read/hear the Qu'ran in Arabic.
3. How amazingly your mind works after you have read the Qu'ran in English, understanding what it says.
4. How relaxed a feeling it is knowing that Allah is protecting and watching over you, keeping you safe.

You do not know such things because, I assume, you have never practiced these things. Thus I really think it was unfair of you to say that statement.

Stick to the topic. :28:

[m_sohail]

Wearing a piece of cloth on your head does not show loyalty for God or your husband. A hijab does not reflect noblity and dignity because people who wear hijabs are no angels either.


If we take a logical aproach, wearing a Hijab shows that you are following the order of Allah. In doing so, you are in a way getting closer to Allah. Thus when you do sin, and ask mercy and forgiveness from Allah, the fact that you have attempted to do what Allah has said will make it easier for you to be forgiven.

[m_sohail]

Stick to the topic. :28:

You said you are not fooled. I am inquiring as to how can you claim to be so when you yourself have never experienced the real Islam?

[Schiller]

That's what looking good means for me...I don't need your feedback on my opinions.

For pete's sake, a woman does not expose herself to get male attention. She only does it look good for herself. ::J


that is poppycock. it is for attention.

[catwoman]

If we take a logical aproach, wearing a Hijab shows that you are following the order of Allah. In doing so, you are in a way getting closer to Allah. Thus when you do sin, and ask mercy and forgiveness from Allah, the fact that you have attempted to do what Allah has said will make it easier for you to be forgiven.

Yeah yeah...cover your head with a piece of cloth and go around sinning like hell and God will forgive you eh? :21:

[catwoman]

that is poppycock. it is for attention.

It is not actually for attention as men seem to think.

What about women who are married? Do they do it for attention?

[Schiller]

It is not actually for attention as men seem to think.

What about women who are married? Do they do it for attention?

yes. you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

[catwoman]

yes.

You're obviously wrong then.

[entralinks]

Yes.

[ziggy]

Can you guys leave Mona alone please, my summers would be shot to hell if everyone listend to you guys

[Schiller]

You're obviously wrong then.

i don't think so.
you need to learn a lot more about a lot of things mona.

[entralinks]

Yes to post 55 I meant.

[Schiller]

Can you guys leave Mona alone please, my summers would be shot to hell if everyone listend to you guys

this is purely academic, i would go back to pak if it werent for short skirts

[entralinks]

Exactly, she has no idea what she's saying when it comes to Islam, never had.

[Schiller]

Exactly, she has no idea what she's saying when it comes to Islam, never had.

not even about women, the odd part

[catwoman]

i don't think so.
you need to learn a lot more about a lot of things mona.

I don't need to learn about this because I can relate to it because I'm a woman and I don't dress for attention from others.

You don't know what's inside a person's heart so you can't say it's for attention.

[Uzzy]

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[catwoman]

not even about women, the odd part

I may not know about Islam but I do know about women and that not all of us dress to attract men.

[Easa]

Im with ya on this. A Muslim girl should cover her entire body except face, hands and feet, which can be covered optionally.

Do you?

It is compulsory to cover the entire body except for the face, and feet/hands and obviously that includes doing hijab.

[cinderella]

Mona, when I dress just for myself, I do it alone ~ and don't find the need to take what I wore for me outside to show others.

[catwoman]

fine, to attract women then.

A person only dresses for themselves, not for attention from anyone. At least, that's true in my case.

[Schiller]

A person only dresses for themselves, not for attention from anyone. At least, that's true in my case.

ah a qualification then, we're moving along.

now at some deep level it may be possible to come to an agreement that its all for men (women too )

[Uzzy]

Exactly, she has no idea what she's saying when it comes to Islam, never had.

Exactly, trying to talk to her or reason with her is like talking to a brick wall.

[cinderella]

Do you?

It is compulsory to cover the entire body except for the face, and feet/hands and obviously that includes doing hijab.

Yeah Alhamdulillha, I wear a hijab, while it doesn't make me perfect, I've my share of mistakes just like everyone, it sure as hell makes me think before I do anything, about what I represent by wearing it. Being the only Muslim campus has its responsibilities.

[catwoman]

Mona, when I dress just for myself, I do it alone ~ and don't find the need to take what I wore for me outside to show others.

I dress for myself but not alone. By going outside in your choice of clothes, doesn't mean you're showing it off.

[catwoman]

ah a qualification then, we're moving along.

now at some deep level it may be possible to come to an agreement that its all for men (women too )

It's for yourself, not for anyone else. If I like something, I'll wear it...I don't care if other men or women like it or not.

[Civil]

"For pete's sake, a woman does not expose herself to get male attention. She only does it look good for herself."



:))) :))) :))) :))) :))) :)))

[catwoman]

"For pete's sake, a woman does not expose herself to get male attention. She only does it look good for herself."



:))) :))) :))) :))) :))) :)))

Hypocrites. ::J

[Schiller]

you wear something that looks good so you can look good right?

[Civil]

Hypocrites. ::J


Please explain?

[catwoman]

you wear something that looks good so you can look good right?

Yes and that's not wanting attention from anyone.

[Schiller]

Yes and that's not wanting attention from anyone.

now now, step by step.

so you can look good. now, why is looking good important? what does it do for you, what do yu want from it, what is the natural derivative of looking good?

[catwoman]

now now, step by step.

so you can look good. now, why is looking good important? what does it do for you, what do yu want from it, what is the natural derivative of looking good?

Looking good makes you feel good and more confident about yourself.

[Schiller]

Looking good makes you feel good and more confident about yourself.

why does looking good make you feel good or confident?

[Easa]

Hijab is a personal decision and it should never be forced.

Not really a personal decision as it is written in the Qura'an that it is a MUST.

[Easa]

Looking good makes you feel good and more confident about yourself.

How so? Please do expand.

[catwoman]

why does looking good make you feel good or confident?

Because you look good in the mirror. :P

[Schiller]

i personally like more women to dress scantily so that i can appreciate the hijab ones. seeing all those short skirts make you think of hijab and its joy, ofcourse.

[Schiller]

Because you look good in the mirror. :P
now now ;)

[catwoman]

Not really a personal decision as it is written in the Qura'an that it is a MUST.

It may be a MUST but if a person chooses to observe it or not, is their personal decision and no one has the right to force it.

[entralinks]

Exactly, trying to talk to her or reason with her is like talking to a brick wall.Spare the brick wall yar, to me it's like that baboon's shiny red ****, you don't wanna look at it but then it keeps getting your attention.

[Easa]

Because you look good in the mirror. :P

What a response. :|

Looking good won't help you go to Jannah. This dunyah is just a test, we live in it for 60,70, 80 years MAX. You time in Jannah/Hell is everlasting.

[catwoman]

How so? Please do expand.

When you look good, you feel more confident and have a higher self esteem. It's simple ::J

[Easa]

Spare the brick wall yar, to me it's like that baboon's shiny red ****, you don't wanna look at it but then it keeps getting your attention.

:)))

[Schiller]

When you look good, you feel more confident and have a higher self esteem. It's simple ::J

as i asked and you copped out, the question is why.

[sneekysneeky]

Spare the brick wall yar, to me it's like that baboon's shiny red ****, you don't wanna look at it but then it keeps getting your attention.
:))) :))) :)))

[Easa]

When you look good, you feel more confident and have a higher self esteem. It's simple ::J

What if you look good but are stupid therefore making conversation impossible?

[catwoman]

as i asked and you copped out, the question is why.

Which question did I cop out on?

[cinderella]

It may be a MUST but if a person chooses to observe it or not, is their personal decision and no one has the right to force it.

My parents forced me in the 7th grade, I'll remain eternally grateful to them. Yeah it has to be a personal choice, but not many would reach if it was left upto them. It becomes a personal choice after you start doing it, believing in it.
Anyway Im not going to waste more time on this topic with ya ~
Peace ~

[Uzzy]

Spare the brick wall yar, to me it's like that baboon's shiny red ****, you don't wanna look at it but then it keeps getting your attention.

:))) :)))

[sehsan]

Because you look good in the mirror. :P

ok understandable then why not wear it only at home so you can look at mirror. How would you look at mirror while you are outside.

[catwoman]

ok understandable then why not wear it only at home so you can look at mirror. How would you look at mirror while you are outside.

Because I like those big mirrors in malls. :P

[cinderella]

Because I like those big mirrors in malls. :P

Now that was really pathetic. :P

[Easa]

My mum for a very long time didn't wear hijab and my dad after pressing the issue once or twice, left it up to her.

Now, she has been doing hijab for 4-5 years. She does not cover the face but she covers her body.

[Easa]

Because I like those big mirrors in malls. :P

::J

[catwoman]

as i asked and you copped out, the question is why.

Which question was it???

[sehsan]

Because I like those big mirrors in malls. :P

Good luck to you......

[Schiller]

the one to which you replied looks good in the mirror one.

[catwoman]

the one to which you replied looks good in the mirror one.

So now I hope you understand that women don't always dress for attention from others. :P

[Schiller]

you're not seriously saying that was the answer?

[Civil]

Mona do you watch sex and the city??

I think you would like that show.


all pace attack is saying is if a woman is wearing a mini skirt and high heels she's gonna get looks from men and compliments and favours, and at the same time other women will envy her and give her respect and this will be the source of her confidence.

This to you seems to be an amazing thing. Strong confident women

YOu are saying this is good. all of feminism today is saying this is good because of that show sex and the city where the women sleep with whom they want and seem to control their own destiny and are empowered females.

Can't you see this facade that males have put up for you. Yet you keep responding with comments on how hijab has failed in some instances because of men.

YES you're right its because of men thats why Allah has told women to be dress modestly.

why are you trying to prove to us that men are lustful or not..... the answer to this is yes.

[catwoman]

you're not seriously saying that was the answer?

The mirror bit is true...when you look good in the mirror, it does make you more confident. Compliments increase confidence as well but I dress more for myself and than compliments.

[catwoman]

Do you touch yourself?

No, others touch me.

[Oxy]

Lets not 'disrespect' a serious topic on hijab.

[entralinks]

Apologies from me Oxy. Yes lets discuss what the thread starter intended, if we haven't done already.

[Uzzy]

He was asking a valid question though.

[Pace_Attack]

"No others, touch me"...

Exactly thats what I mean by dishonourable...



There is no point in arguing,,,, those who dont want to follow islam, just have to admit it they refuse to follow Gods will, but why argue about it....

[Nakhuda]

There are many Muslim women who by day wear both hijab and niqab but by night remove them to hit the nightclubs!.On the other hand we have many who choose not to wear it yet live Islamically correct lives.
The bottom line is that i don't believe a woman will be thrown into hell for not wearing one.Surely Allah judges us by our deeds more then anything else.We're not Arabs so lets not try to be them.

[Team Slayer]

There are many Muslim women who by day wear both hijab and niqab but by night remove them to hit the nightclubs!.On the other hand we have many who choose not to wear it yet live Islamically correct lives.
The bottom line is that i don't believe a woman will be thrown into hell for not wearing one.Surely Allah judges us by our deeds more then anything else.We're not Arabs so lets not try to be them.

bhai its not about being Arabs or non-Arabs, its about following the commands of the Creator, the Sustainer, the Legislator, i.e. Allah (SWT). Those who wear hijab during the day and party in the nightclubs are hypocrites and Allah will deal with them. OTOH, those women who wear hijabs because they are command from Allah will have a great reward in the Hereafter for sure.

also, what i believe or what anyone else believes is irrelevant unless it is in accordance to the Quran and Sunnah. you are quite correct when you say that Allah will, at the end of it all, judge us by our deeds.

regards.

[catwoman]

I think headcovering is not only part of Arab culture but also South Asian culture since most traditional women wear dupatas around their neck or heads. Sikhs also believe women should cover their heads, I think.

[PlanetPakistan]

bhai its not about being Arabs or non-Arabs, its about following the commands of the Creator, the Sustainer, the Legislator, i.e. Allah (SWT). Those who wear hijab during the day and party in the nightclubs are hypocrites and Allah will deal with them. OTOH, those women who wear hijabs because they are command from Allah will have a great reward in the Hereafter for sure.

also, what i believe or what anyone else believes is irrelevant unless it is in accordance to the Quran and Sunnah. you are quite correct when you say that Allah will, at the end of it all, judge us by our deeds.

regards.
well said

[m_sohail]

I think headcovering is not only part of Arab culture but also South Asian culture since most traditional women wear dupatas around their neck or heads. Sikhs also believe women should cover their heads, I think.

Sikh is a mixture of Islam and Hinduism. :)

[sabz86]

look im not condeming the hijab, i think its priciples are correct and the reason for it is both logical and correct.

My mum doesn't wear hijab. will she be confined to the spaces of hell??? i think shes an absolutely amazing soul and have no doubt of where she will end up...she doesnt not wear the scarf for attention from others...thats bloody ludicrous...she alone knows whats in her heart...and for me...thats good enough...who are we to question...

How can we blast some1 for not covering their head/body...when we are the same ones...(or atleast 999/1000 of us)...who dont lower their gaze when we see a female, muslim or not, dressed modernly. Men also are required to lower their gaze..that is clearly established.

what im tryin to say is how is not wearing a scarf...worse than a man who looks at a woman??

The issue should not be forced, just my opinion...i think if it is forced than in most cases it will be worn for the wrong resons...and it defeats the purpose....today alone as i went out for dinner i saw two muslim girls..from behind...both wearing scarves...as i walked past i saw the same muslim girls...wearing scarfs...with earrings biggger than a cricket ball...the entire winter collection of dior make up applied on them....contact lenses on...wearing tight revealing clothes...

about 20 mins after this experience i saw these same girls outside...smoking...now tell me...in this instance is this hijab being justified...

i think it is a sacred thing...only people who are "ready" should wear it..ones heart should be pure...otherwise whats the point...then wearing of the scarf is also done just to show people..is it not??

it should be left to the individual to decide alone...if u want to embrace something...do it fully...100%..turning for the second blindly will invariablly leave you stranded inches from the crease :27: :27: :27:

one should do it for the right reasons...
dont take a single just becoz your captain down the other end has instructed you so, do it because you have judged there is a single available, that the single will benefit you and is for the best

[ShowStopper]

What about Burqa?

[Bailan]

That's what looking good means for me...I don't need your feedback on my opinions.

For pete's sake, a woman does not expose herself to get male attention. She only does it look good for herself. ::J

Wearing a piece of cloth on your head does not show loyalty for God or your husband. A hijab does not reflect noblity and dignity because people who wear hijabs are no angels either.

Kafir propoganda? :30:



SOLD!

[Somali Pirate]

man, why should women cover their head? all that time and effort in making that hair gleam and shine will be wasted.i

its the summer time and irs time to bare it all.And i don't mean the head.

[Oxy]

man, why should women cover their head? all that time and effort in making that hair gleam and shine will be wasted.i

its the summer time and irs time to bare it all.And i don't mean the head.

You seem to be taking it very personally!

[Oxy]

Bottom line:-

1) There are those that fully adhere to hijab and are worthy wearers of it - and they are great people.

2) There are those that DONT wear hijab, and are still fine people that dont disgrace themselves in anyway.

3) There are those that wear hijab, but disrespect it through their actions and interactions with others.

I'm sure we all know examples of the above - but I cant impose something that I dont have to participate in on anyone else (apart from wives/children etc)

[Somali Pirate]

You seem to be taking it very personally!
:))

not really oxy,

i am for the hijab but then its just an opnion. 2 of my sisters wear it and one does not.Not my right to call it.I basically agree to an extent with your last post

[Nesreen]

Why would the prophet -pbuh- would ask his wives to cover up if it wasn't what God wanted ?
It is not cultural....it is islamic.... and if Allah has told us to wear it and showed us the "Azaab" that we would get on not wearing it...then no one can say that it isn't faithful to God not to wear it ..

You can't force girls to wear it .. but that is the right thing to do..that is what Allah wants..

[Momo]

Anything that shows the physical beauty of women, hence attracting males in a sexual fashion, is forbodden to be displayed. Face, hands and feet dont belong to this list. hair must be covered because hair add considerably to a woman's charm and appeal.
True, most women - and very good women I must add - dont follow this practice and they are very respectable for us, but when somebody asks what is Allah's word on the subject, I have to concede its what I wrote above.
Its like many of us arent very punctual in saying our prayers but we all know that it is compulsory for us to not to neglect our prayers. Yes, theory and practice sometimes dont coincide but even then we shouldnt muddle our theory because of our lack of practice. We should always accept what is right even if momentarily we are not exactly following it. Who knows when Allah favours us and we start following. This is the best hope we can have.

[catwoman]

Anything that shows the physical beauty of women, hence attracting males in a sexual fashion, is forbodden to be displayed. Face, hands and feet dont belong to this list. hair must be covered because hair add considerably to a woman's charm and appeal.


The face, hands and feet are also quite attractive....

[Invictus]

Ofcourse they are but they dont attract you the same way as the shape of the woman's body does. Its the choice of the woman to wear the hijab or not wear it. But dont justify not wearing a hijab. The reasons for wearing hijab are simple. Ask any man or notice how man treat woman who wear hijab in general. I dont even gaze upon them twice if a woman is wearing a hijab.
Its one thing not to follow the path or sin but I dont get why people try to justify it. If you drink or do any other major sin you are going against the exact advise of Allah. Its between you and Allah. But dont try to justify it. Allah left it on the woman to make the choice. Make whatever choice you need to make. If I drink or do drugs or whatever else its the choice I am making and will be punished for in the after-life. However if I try to say well there is nothing wrong with drinking then I am being stupid. Because I know there is a lot wrong with drinking and on top of that I am questioning Allah's wisdom.

[PlanetPakistan]

I remember two years ago the French was trying to ban "Hijab" from schools! Were they succesful in doing that?

Muslim women are required in Islam to cover themselves whenever they are outside of their homes or in the presence of non-mahrem men

Permanant Mahrams due to blood relationship are: father, son (who passed puberty), brother, uncle from her father's side, brother's son, sister's son, and uncle from her mother's side.

Look guys and girls it's a black and white issue, women are required to wear hijab there are no ifs and buts so if they don't then it's between them and Allah! Likewise Islam requires all men to be grow beards and trim their moustaches(which is a differnet topic).

[Pace_Attack]

If you are a Muslim then you back your faith....

Hijab is a requirment of Islam, You simply back it...

If your to flacky and dont wear it, then SAY SO.... But dont go around making excuses and putting down the concept of Hijab,,,, just say you dont want to, just say you want attention and want to wear make up and act like kaffir...




Just dont make excuses and question whther islam requires Hijab or not....






Its like Alcohol, we ALL know alcohol is forbiden, if a Muslim drinks ultimatly other muslims cant do anything about it...

BUT he cant make excuses for alcohol, he drinks, he is commiting a sin, end of story.