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stevewittry
25th February 2016, 16:21
The discussion point of this thread, is explained in the title itself.

The 4 names were among the best fast bowlers Pakistan has ever produced. They however had their peak in the late 80s/ early 90s, when speed guns were not in effect during international matches. Hence, we've very little idea about their pace, though video clippings might be a reasonable indicator.

Below is my assessment watching some old clips of these players as follows, which I believed were at their peak -

Imran - 1982 series against India at home - was around 135 to 140 kph with prodigious swing and seam movement, making him the most potent opening bowler.

Wasim - 1992 world cup - round about the same pace (perhaps a bit slower) than Imran at his peak. But his fast run up and quick arm action coupled with the swing and deadly accuracy made him a difficult proposition.

Aaquib Javed - 1991 Sharjah, a medium pace swing bowler around 130 to135 kph.

Waqar Younis - early 1990s New Zealand series, easily the quickest of these 4 known for his deadly in-swinging Yorker. Must be in 140s at peak.

Your thoughts ?

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 16:29
Waqar was the fastest if you compare all these 4 and he bowled in 150s during his peak years. Even around 2001 when he was at the end of his career we saw him bowling in late 140s.

Wasim at peak was bowling 140-145s

Imran at peak was around 140s

Wasim was the most skillful bowler but Imran was far more effective (Tests) while Waqar at peak pre injury was simply the best!

Flat_Track_Bully
25th February 2016, 16:53
I have seen Waqar bowl at 155 clicks.

Shoaib was bowling 99mph consistently during wc 99. What a wonderful era that was.

freelance_cricketer
25th February 2016, 16:59
Fastest deliveries:-

Waqar - 160 kph

Imran - 158 kph

Wasim - 156 kph

Aqib - 152 kph

Junaids
25th February 2016, 17:16
The discussion point of this thread, is explained in the title itself.

The 4 names were among the best fast bowlers Pakistan has ever produced. They however had their peak in the late 80s/ early 90s, when speed guns were not in effect during international matches. Hence, we've very little idea about their pace, though video clippings might be a reasonable indicator.

Below is my assessment watching some old clips of these players as follows, which I believed were at their peak -

Imran - 1982 series against India at home - was around 135 to 140 kph with prodigious swing and seam movement, making him the most potent opening bowler.

Wasim - 1992 world cup - round about the same pace (perhaps a bit slower) than Imran at his peak. But his fast run up and quick arm action coupled with the swing and deadly accuracy made him a difficult proposition.

Aaquib Javed - 1991 Sharjah, a medium pace swing bowler around 130 to135 kph.

Waqar Younis - early 1990s New Zealand series, easily the quickest of these 4 known for his deadly in-swinging Yorker. Must be in 140s at peak.

Your thoughts ?

Not even close.

Imran Khan in 1982-83 bowled at up to 150K but mainly operated between 140-146K.

Wasim Akram in 1984-85 and again in 1987-1990 peaked around 150K but mainly operated at 140-145K.

Aaqib Javed always operated at 135-140K.

Waqar Younis between 1989-1991 peaked around 160K but mainly operated at 145-155K. In that period he was clearly quicker than Shoaib Akhtar ever was for full spells.

cricketjoshila
25th February 2016, 17:17
Not even close.

Imran Khan in 1982-83 bowled at up to 150K but mainly operated between 140-146K.

Wasim Akram in 1984-85 and again in 1987-1990 peaked around 150K but mainly operated at 140-145K.

Aaqib Javed always operated at 135-140K.

Waqar Younis between 1989-1991 peaked around 160K but mainly operated at 145-155K. In that period he was clearly quicker than Shoaib Akhtar ever was for full spells.

Any proof of these speeds?

Effy
25th February 2016, 17:17
Shoaib Akhtar and M. Zahid both 166 mph

Haroon786
25th February 2016, 17:20
Why have such a long run up to trundle in at 135 kph ?

Don't what OP is watching, but I'm ran was comfortably 145-150 kph at peak. He dropped pace after the knee stress fracture but when he came back in 1986-87, he was even more skilful and almost singlehandedly won Pakistan a series in England and Pakistan won in India and also would've won against the GOAT WI in WI had the umpires been neutral.

90MPH
25th February 2016, 17:52
Aquib was never express, just above 80MPH probably.

He had late swing which made him a potent bowler.

Couch Cricketer
25th February 2016, 17:53
Waqar younis has been measured at 153-4 in 93 after his injury in 91-92 where he is said to have lost pace. He probably was as fast as Akhter if not faster at his peak.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/95065.html

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90MPH
25th February 2016, 17:56
As for Imran he was a medium pace bowler at the start but no doubt was bowling express speeds at his peak otherwise reverse swing would not have been potent without high speed.

It cost him with severe injury but left a legacy for the upcoming bowlers.

jeetu
25th February 2016, 17:57
Waqar looked as quick as Akhtar at his peak. He must have bowled few balls near 155K atleast.
Wasim and Imran faster one would have reached 150K.

cricket_cfa
25th February 2016, 17:57
I think waqar and imran were faster than wasim. And Wasim was sharper than Aqib. I dont have any speed numbers or any reference. Though I remember that in pakistan's tour of SA in early 90s where they played a triangular tournament with SA and WI; Waqar was around 155-157. Alan Donal was around 155 and wasim around 152...The number were more or less in this order.
I remember watching a youtube video of wasim in australia bowling against SL batsman in odis and the ball really zipping through probably around 1989.
And some of the Imran khan's wickets were on sharp incutters beating batsmen by movement or pace or both....I really dont know as I am a casual cricket fan...but to me those were sharp deliveries.

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 17:58
As for Imran he was a medium pace bowler at the start but no doubt was bowling express speeds at his peak otherwise reverse swing would not have been potent without high speed.

It cost him with severe injury but left a legacy for the upcoming bowlers.

That injury cost him years at peak of his career otherwise he was going to take many more wicket he wasn't even aware of his injury and was bowling with injury.

JibranAnsari
25th February 2016, 18:00
Aaqib was basically a medium pacer.

Waqar was the fastest of them all , i think his recorded top speed was 94.6 mph and he probably would have bowled faster than this.

I am not sure about imran.

Wasim in late eighties was very very quick , he could bowl 150s.

redmaverik84
25th February 2016, 18:07
OP, how can u judjge the speed by watching clips on tv? That is some talent indeed man. Not sure of Aaquib, the rest have touched 150's at various times of their career. I remember Waqar as late as 2001 hitting 150ks....

dhump
25th February 2016, 18:09
Let us thrown random speed numbers in and feel macho about it..

I dont think think apart from Waqar and may be Imran Khan others were express pacers just quality bowlers...at the speed Wasim was operating in end 90s and early 2000s (80-86 MPH) he was quite dangerous due to skills and brain he got.

Imran during that 1979 speed test with his old action was clocked 139.7 KPH on the flip side Thompson was also clocked at max speed of 149 KPH so we can say with his modified action and proper testing he should clock around 149/150 KPH mark not quicker (which is quite quick)...

Waqar Younis was clocked fastest 153 KPH in 1993 in SA which was his peak really and is quite some pace to say the least with his yorkers and swing deadly I must say.

Waseem Akram is measured at 145 KPH in 1993 also he was also young and at his peak speed so hard to say if he use to bowl any faster...how good he was that is not something up their to debate.

Aqib was not measured as per my knowledge but he was slowest of the lot I think and should be around 140-145 at best.

These speeds I got from http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/95065.html link and is provided with this disclaimer.

This list is not a comprehensive database of all such deliveries to have been timed at 140kph or faster. Nor is it official in any capacity. It simply shows which bowlers have broken this barrier on known occasions in international matches. If you are able to supply any substantiable information on deliveries not listed below, please contact Eddie so we can endeavour to make it more complete.

Romali_rotti
25th February 2016, 18:10
Not even close.

Imran Khan in 1982-83 bowled at up to 150K but mainly operated between 140-146K.

Wasim Akram in 1984-85 and again in 1987-1990 peaked around 150K but mainly operated at 140-145K.

Aaqib Javed always operated at 135-140K.

Waqar Younis between 1989-1991 peaked around 160K but mainly operated at 145-155K. In that period he was clearly quicker than Shoaib Akhtar ever was for full spells.

Err yeah any proof of this ? lol

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 18:13
Let us thrown random speed numbers in and feel macho about it..

I dont think think apart from Waqar and may be Imran Khan others were express pacers just quality bowlers...at the speed Wasim was operating in end 90s and early 2000s (80-86 MPH) he was quite dangerous due to skills and brain he got.

Imran during that 1979 speed test with his old action was clocked 139.7 KPH on the flip side Thompson was also clocked at max speed of 149 KPH so we can say with his modified action and proper testing he should clock around 149/150 KPH mark not quicker (which is quite quick)...

Waqar Younis was clocked fastest 153 KPH in 1993 in SA which was his peak really and is quite some pace to say the least with his yorkers and swing deadly I must say.

Waseem Akram is measured at 145 KPH in 1993 also he was also young and at his peak speed so hard to say if he use to bowl any faster...how good he was that is not something up their to debate.

Aqib was not measured as per my knowledge but he was slowest of the lot I think and should be around 140-145 at best.

These speeds I got from http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/95065.html link and is provided with this disclaimer.

This list is not a comprehensive database of all such deliveries to have been timed at 140kph or faster. Nor is it official in any capacity. It simply shows which bowlers have broken this barrier on known occasions in international matches. If you are able to supply any substantiable information on deliveries not listed below, please contact Eddie so we can endeavour to make it more complete.

After 153 Waqar clocked 152 again in 1996 according to this list and 147 at the end of his career in 2000s

Romali_rotti
25th February 2016, 18:13
Double lol @ Waqar being quicker than Shoib, Shoib was quickest bowler of all time PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 18:17
Double lol @ Waqar being quicker than Shoib, Shoib was quickest bowler of all time PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea but Zahid was quicker than Shoaib and this is what Shoaib Akhtar himself confirmed many times that Zahid was quicker than him when they played domestic together. The best spell Lara ever faced of pace bowling was by Zahid.

Steve Waugh faced both Waqar and Akhtar but he mentioned that the fastest spell he ever faced was by Wasim.

dhump
25th February 2016, 18:17
After 153 Waqar clocked 152 again in 1996 according to this list and 147 at the end of his career in 2000s

Like I said 153 fastest he was clocked and that in a match so it is really difficult to assume he bowled at around 160 he could have bowled as quick as 154-155 KPH but thats it.

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 18:19
Like I said 153 fastest he was clocked and that in a match so it is really difficult to assume he bowled at around 160 he could have bowled as quick as 154-155 KPH but thats it.

I personally think Waqar was bowling at 150-155k at his peak but wasn't faster than Akhtar not even equal but Waqar at peak was far more effective with those toe crushers

dhump
25th February 2016, 18:21
I personally think Waqar was bowling at 150-155k at his peak but wasn't faster than Akhtar not even equal but Waqar at peak was far more effective with those toe crushers

He was much better bowler than Akhtar on his peak period...He was destructive bowler with amazing ability to swing and accuracy...I dont think anything above 148 KPH swinging and dipping is a joke to play for any batsman and Waqar statics are evidence enough.

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 18:22
He was much better bowler than Akhtar on his peak period...He was destructive bowler with amazing ability to swing and accuracy...I dont think anything above 148 KPH swinging and dipping is a joke to play for any batsman and Waqar statics are evidence enough.

Yea no doubt about that those yorkers and reverse swing was deadly

carrom_ball
25th February 2016, 18:30
Lol people exaggerating zahid's speed, Zahid may have been quicker than Shoaib when they played together but later in international cricket when Shoaib was at his peak he was easily the fastest bowler, Zahid couldn't have matched him, even lee was faster than Zahid

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 18:32
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It's not about who was the fastest my point was some batsmen find different bowlers more dangerous and faster than others. Rashid Latif was standing behind the wicket in that Wasim spell he also confirmed that was one of the fastest spell he ever seen while if i am not wrong Steve Waugh later confirmed it in his book.

hur rizvi
25th February 2016, 18:44
Since you are interested in pace at their peaks.


Imran 145-150 kph

Wasim 145-150 kph

Aaqib 140-145 kph

Waqar 155-160 kph

hur rizvi
25th February 2016, 18:45
........

Lara actually said something like Zahid was one of the quickest bowlers he had faced

AamirWarraich
25th February 2016, 18:55
Wasim Akram after nearly 20 years of cricket, injurues and diabetes, was bowling at 86-87mph during the 2003 World Cup. He operated around 140kph at his peak and could hit 150+ when needed to. Mohammad Aamir can hit 152, so I'm pretty sure Wasim also could have.

Waqar when he first emerged was acknowledged to be the fastest in the world, faster than Allan Donald. He operated around 140-145, but there were times when he clearly bowled over 155kph. He was faster than Wahab Riaz (whose fastest is 154.5 or 96mph). In the 2003 World Cup Waqar, in his last match, was bowling up to 88mph.

Imran Khan hit 139.7kph in the 1979 speed competition. But he himself says he would've bowled faster had he bowled full tosses and not bouncers. In the 82-83 series vs India Imran was clearly hitting 90mph. Richie Benaud says Imran usually operated around 87-88mph (140-142kph) in his peak. And at times he could hit 150+. His fastest ever would probably be faster than Wasim. Maybe 94-95mph.

To get the ball to seriously reverse swing, everyone says you have to be capable of bowling it at 140-150kph. Which all of those bowlers could have done at their peak. I'd say Waqar was the fastest, he probably reached 97-99mph at his best. Though Shoaib on average was quicker during his 99-2003 peak.

GoUgandaCranes
25th February 2016, 18:56
The speed gun is overrated in a sense that even though we see people clocking 150 today, hardly anyone is quick enough to go through the or york batsmen in test cricket.

Other than Aqib, all three were able to go through the defenses of quality test batsmen when they were even defending. It doesn't matter if they were 120 or 150 - they were fast enough for batsmen.

Period.

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 18:56
Lara actually said something like Zahid was one of the quickest bowlers he had faced

Tony Cozier also said same thing in his PP interview http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?181873-quot-Mohammad-Zahid-was-the-fastest-bowler-I-have-ever-seen-quot-Tony-Cozier

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 18:57
The speed gun is overrated in a sense that even though we see people clocking 150 today, hardly anyone is quick enough to go through the or york batsmen in test cricket.

Other than Aqib, all three were able to go through the defenses of quality test batsmen when they were even defending. It doesn't matter if they were 120 or 150 - they were fast enough for batsmen.

Period.

Yea its hard to trust speed guns i mean yesterday a bowler bowled a slower bowler and 137k was shown he bowl a far quicker delivery after it and it again shows 137ks lol

carrom_ball
25th February 2016, 18:57
LOL in that comp average speed of the ball was measured and ball loses significant pace through the air

in 2016 ball speed is measured straight out of hand, losses due to friction are neglected

And do you think the precision and accuracy level of both the machines is same?

AamirWarraich
25th February 2016, 18:58
Aaqib was never a quick bowler. Operated in 130s. Could have hit 140+ if he was really trying.

hur rizvi
25th February 2016, 19:08
And do you think the precision and accuracy level of both the machines is same?

I dont know about accuracy but comparison between two readings is completely invalid

cricketjoshila
25th February 2016, 19:09
LOL in that comp average speed of the ball was measured and ball loses significant pace through the air

in 2016 ball speed is measured straight out of hand, losses due to friction are neglected
Yes the speed of ball over flight was measured but Imran was nowhere near 150ks.

Thomson Andy Roberts Holding Lillee etc were clocked in 150s in different studies.

cricketjoshila
25th February 2016, 19:13
My guesstimate

Waqar was clocked at 95MPH so i believe he was more like Steyn's pace at his peak.Topping near 96-97 MPH.

Wasim was likely 140-145ks consistently.

Imran may have been similar speed to Wasim or couple of ks quicker.

Aqib Javed was medium fast.

pacesensation
25th February 2016, 19:19
Cloaked 147ks in 2001

which match?
sharjah?

hur rizvi
25th February 2016, 19:20
Yes the speed of ball over flight was measured but Imran was nowhere near 150ks.

Thomson Andy Roberts Holding Lillee etc were clocked in 150s in different studies.

He clocked 139.7 kph IIRC on that machine, where Thommo was clocked around 148 kph. So I leave it upon your wisdom to draw conclusion.

You can simply add 7-8 kph to pace readings of that comp to get actual speed. That takes Imran to around 147 kph. He must have hit 150 kph at his peak.

Roberts and Holding were genuine quicks. Imran wasnt that but at his peak he was certainly about same speed as Wahab riaz of today. around 150 kph

What is there to surprise. Guys like Amir, Irfan, Ishant, Yadav, Aaron all have hit 150s. 150kph has been acheived by many in history. Yes Imran wasnt consistently in this bracket, but at absolute peak like against India in that 83 series he was definitely 145-150 kph in his peak spells

Rightarmfast
25th February 2016, 19:21
Imran was more or less around 140k's...
Wasim at his fastest was 145... On an average around 137-138k's
Waqar - 145- 150.. Occasionally 150 I guess.
Aaquib would have been around 135-138 at his fastest.

hur rizvi
25th February 2016, 19:22
My guesstimate

Waqar was clocked at 95MPH so i believe he was more like Steyn's pace at his peak.Topping near 96-97 MPH.

Wasim was likely 140-145ks consistently.

Imran may have been similar speed to Wasim or couple of ks quicker.

Aqib Javed was medium fast.

Bro this thread is about speeds at peak.

You are mistaken if you think Waqar's speed at his absolute peak was comparable to steyn.

Actually waqar wasnt measured at his peak before the 92 WC, when he was at his top speed.

Corridor of Uncertainty
25th February 2016, 19:59
Purely from watching:

Imran bowling to Australia in Sydney in 76-77 is stuff of legends - I think bowled through an entire innings super fast. Some of his spells in Australia look ferocious in videos. According to Osman Samiuddin, that is when he discovered true speed.

A fast bowler with variations of a spinner - in dipper, out swing, bounce, yorkers - was a true handful. Hence his 22 average despite injuries.

I'd wager he was up in the late 140s, touching 150 in those times. Waqar would be 5k faster - and no less intimidating. Wasim maybe similar. Aqib not the same league.

yasir
25th February 2016, 20:23
Shoiab was easily the fastest Pakistani fast bowler, at his peak he was in the range on 150-155k, obviously touching 161 max speed... Some of his spell are shear pace and intimidation... He was also the most terror bowler among all of them, his bouncer was best among them...

Waqar was second fastest, he was 5k slower than Akthar...before 1996 he was fastest in the world, with avg around 143/145, after that he lost 7/10 clicks of pace... Most of his bite was gone after 1996...

Than Imran, who was on average slower than Waqar, around again 5k... His average at peak was around 140k, but some of his spells were brutal, he matched WIs in fire back in 80s...

Wasim at peak could have hit 145-150, but on average he was 5k or more slower than Waqar...His average was more like 135/138k... His real weapon was swing and variety... I felt after 1996/97, he seems less interested in test, did not put much effort in those matches or did not had stomach, but in Odi he was king almost till the end...

I don't know why mention Aqib in this category, he was never a fast bowler...


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Haroon786
25th February 2016, 20:44
As for Imran he was a medium pace bowler at the start but no doubt was bowling express speeds at his peak otherwise reverse swing would not have been potent without high speed.

It cost him with severe injury but left a legacy for the upcoming bowlers.


That injury cost him years at peak of his career otherwise he was going to take many more wicket he wasn't even aware of his injury and was bowling with injury.

Bowling at express pace didn't cause the 2-3 years pause in Imran's bowling, it was incorrect medical advice that did. After the 3-4 Tests in the Pakistan vs India series in 1982-83 he got the fracture and the doctors said that he could play for the remaining two Tests when he should've rested and that led to the fracture reopening which caused prolonged rehabilitation.

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 20:54
which match?
sharjah?

NatWest Series England

90MPH
25th February 2016, 21:20
Bowling at express pace didn't cause the 2-3 years pause in Imran's bowling, it was incorrect medical advice that did. After the 3-4 Tests in the Pakistan vs India series in 1982-83 he got the fracture and the doctors said that he could play for the remaining two Tests when he should've rested and that led to the fracture reopening which caused prolonged rehabilitation.

Ok fair enough but his bowling action did look a very awkward one that looked like it could lead to injury.

Certainly these modern bowling coaches would not advocate such an action.

Haroon786
25th February 2016, 21:23
Ok fair enough but his bowling action did look a very awkward one that looked like it could lead to injury.

Certainly these modern bowling coaches would not advocate such an action.

He kept it after injury too.

I agree though, a normal being wouldn't have been able to play for long with such an action.

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 21:30
He kept it after injury too.

I agree though, a normal being wouldn't have been able to play for long with such an action.

He remodeled his action because he wanted to bowl quick and his old action wasn't helping otherwise he was a medium pacer back in early 70s

umarf76
25th February 2016, 21:41
Imran in 1982 was about 150 plus. Hard to say if it was late 150s or early.

Akram in 1988/1989 was easily 150 plus. Maybe 155.

Waqar 1989/1990 before back injury and during that one Sharjah tournament (when he got 19 wickets in 5 games or so) was close to 160 I reckon.

Akhtar we all know - 160k in 1999 to 2001.

Aaquib never too quick. I woudl 85 to 88mph max.

Bewal Express
25th February 2016, 21:42
Waqar was at his quickest in 91 before the WC in 92 and before his back injury, he did hit some good speeds around the 94-96 period but his peak was 90-91, where he was consistently bowling at 93-94mph. Wasim in his early days was quick but by 89 was his quickest bowling into the 92mph range. In the 90`s he was mostly around the 85mph, bar a few spells where he was absolutely lightening, one was against Eng at the Oval in 96 and the other against Ind at Sharjah, where he hit tendulkar in the head, before he had even had time to react. IK at his peak was hitting the 93-94 but that came in the early 80`s before the injury, when he came to England in 87 and the went to the Windies in 88,he was in the 90mph range. Aqib was around 82mph, occasionally hitting 84.

Robert
25th February 2016, 22:53
Imran - 1982 series against India at home - was around 135 to 140 kph with prodigious swing and seam movement, making him the most potent opening bowler.


More than that. Even Stokes can wind up to 140 km/h and Imran was certainly quicker than him. For a while after Holding and Thommo started to slow down and before Marshall appeared, Imran was the quickest in the world.

Bewal Express
25th February 2016, 23:17
The first time I saw Waqar at full pelt was in 1990 against Northants at the Oval and it was a work of art. Lightening quick and very accurate, it was a joy to watch.

Strike Rate
25th February 2016, 23:27
I think Waqar best came in 1991 county season he got 113 wickets in one season at an average of under 15. Took three 10 wicket hauls and thirteen 5fers. He was getting a wicket on every 30th ball.

Other leading wicket takers that county season were Donald, Wasim, Aqib. Some famous batsmen in that county season were Saleem Malik, Azharudin, Nasser, Gooch etc

Just imagine the quality of county cricket from 70s to 90s almsot every team had a very good bowling and batting lineup.

Flat_Track_Bully
25th February 2016, 23:29
Shoiab was easily the fastest Pakistani fast bowler, at his peak he was in the range on 150-155k, obviously touching 161 max speed... Some of his spell are shear pace and intimidation... He was also the most terror bowler among all of them, his bouncer was best among them...

Waqar was second fastest, he was 5k slower than Akthar...before 1996 he was fastest in the world, with avg around 143/145, after that he lost 7/10 clicks of pace... Most of his bite was gone after 1996...

Than Imran, who was on average slower than Waqar, around again 5k... His average at peak was around 140k, but some of his spells were brutal, he matched WIs in fire back in 80s...

Wasim at peak could have hit 145-150,


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I have seen Waqar bowl at 96-98mph at his peak.

Wasim was quick, around 88-92mph.

cricketjoshila
25th February 2016, 23:48
Yes, that would make more sense since that competition had Imran still bowling with his initial action and was 3-4 years before he was at his peak, makes complete sense now!
Imran Khan born in 1952 was 27-28 in 1979.Its so believable that 28 year old bowler gains 10ks in speed when he reaches 31-32.Happens so often in cricket.

sshakir411
26th February 2016, 00:02
Doing well away from home/home like conditions and general peer appreciation plus good record against the best bowlers of their era. Your greatest batsman ever , Miandad averages a miserable less than 30 against the best bowling attack of his and perhaps of all time. No one outside Pakistan gives two hoots about so called china made match winner Inzamam who batted like a tailender against Aus and Sa. The two best bowling attacks of his era after the super mighty and untouchable pakistan fast bowling attack of course. He won't get into the Mumbai all time XI let alone India.

While the entire world acknowledges the greatness of Sachin, Dravid, Gavaskar, Hazare and praises Kohli and Rahane etc.

But keep whining. Best of luck for that.

didn't ask for you to list which of our players meet your criteria..simply asked what it was. good to see you were vague and deflected the debate towards Inzamam or Miandad. Come back when you know and when you have something substantial. funny, you called me bitter but come off exactly that in this post. you might want to look up the definition of whining btw

Haroon786
26th February 2016, 00:04
He remodeled his action because he wanted to bowl quick and his old action wasn't helping otherwise he was a medium pacer back in early 70s

Although I knew that beforehand, thanks.

freelance_cricketer
26th February 2016, 00:05
The speed gun is overrated in a sense that even though we see people clocking 150 today, hardly anyone is quick enough to go through the or york batsmen in test cricket.

Other than Aqib, all three were able to go through the defenses of quality test batsmen when they were even defending. It doesn't matter if they were 120 or 150 - they were fast enough for batsmen.

Period.

This.

Modern day speed guns are deceptive.

Waqar, Wasim particularly were unplayable speed demons in their peak and if batsmen are playing Starc 160 kph with ease i wonder what speeds were those that even got Lara, De Silva floored.

Im Suds
26th February 2016, 01:12
Most observers of Imran, Wasim & Waqar at their peak would say they were all genuinely fast (150kph/93mph range). Imran could be fast & nasty - ask gavaskar . Wasim could also ratchet up with almost body line bowling- in 1992 tour of England he was consistently over 90 mph.
Waqar at his peak was probably the quickest- before his stress fracture in 92 most writers in England had him as the fast bowler ever seen in England. Mike Atherton said Waqar was the quickest he s ever finished in the air. Waqar spell at the oval test 1992 with the new ball was reminiscent of watching Marshall at his best.
Aqib was easiest the slowest but he was lively fast medium at around 87 mph/140kph.

Monsee
26th February 2016, 01:28
Imran Khan born in 1952 was 27-28 in 1979.Its so believable that 28 year old bowler gains 10ks in speed when he reaches 31-32.Happens so often in cricket.



So, in your simplistic theory, everyone on this earth learns, grows, behaves etc. the same way?

It is rather silly of you to suggest that a bowler cannot gain speed especially after remodelling and perfecting his action and after physically becoming much stronger and then starting blowing the batsmen world over!

cricketjoshila
26th February 2016, 01:39
So, in your simplistic theory, everyone on this earth learns, grows, behaves etc. the same way?

It is rather silly of you to suggest that a bowler cannot gain speed especially after remodelling and perfecting his action and after physically becoming much stronger and then starting blowing the batsmen world over!
Imran Khan was never clocked at 150ks.Not even close.He most likely topped around 145-146ks not 150 plus.

Fast bowlers become stronger and better yes but not after the age of 30.Its laughable to suggest that a bowler gained 10ks in speed after 28-29 years of age.Fast bowlers start losing speed once they get to the other side of 30.

blue_champion
26th February 2016, 01:42
Imran Khan was never known to be express....I have never heard any batsmen say that they were scared to play Imran Khan say in the mold of a Marshall,Holding or even Thompson.

I don't mean to put down Imran here as he was a great player...one of the best ever to play the game but he was maybe in the same league as say a Zaheer Khan,Pollock or a Mcgrath,someone who had incredible skills and could up his pace to 135 or 140's if the situation demanded it.

Im Suds
26th February 2016, 01:47
My guesstimate

Waqar was clocked at 95MPH so i believe he was more like Steyn's pace at his peak.Topping near 96-97 MPH.

Wasim was likely 140-145ks consistently.
may have been similar speed to Wasim or couple of ks quicker.

Aqib Javed was medium fast.


Incorrect bhai.
At his peak Imran could bowl frighteningly quick- look up what SUnil GAvaskar & k Dev said- remember their frame of reference of how quick IMran was at his peak was bowlers like Roberts, garner, Marshall, holding who they also faced. These were genuine quick bowlers we don't really see anymore

Im Suds
26th February 2016, 01:49
Imran Khan was never known to be express....I have never heard any batsmen say that they were scared to play Imran Khan say in the mold of a Marshall,Holding or even Thompson.

I don't mean to put down Imran here as he was a great player...one of the best ever to play the game but he was maybe in the same league as say a Zaheer Khan,Pollock or a Mcgrath,someone who had incredible skills and could up his pace to 135 or 140's if the situation demanded it.

Many commentators have said Immy was genuinely quick. You need to research this more

cricketjoshila
26th February 2016, 01:52
Incorrect bhai.
At his peak Imran could bowl frighteningly quick- look up what SUnil GAvaskar & k Dev said- remember their frame of reference of how quick IMran was at his peak was bowlers like Roberts, garner, Marshall, holding who they also faced. These were genuine quick bowlers we don't really see anymore
No one ever compared IK's speed to Holding Marshall Roberts Thomson and co. who were all clocked in excess of 150ks at some point in time in their careers.

IK was most likely Wasim's speed 140.-145 mostly with some effort deliveries may be going close to 148-149ks.What made IK look more dangerous was his wide of the crease angle and prodigious inswing which made the ball come in to the batsman at almost impossible angles and hit them on their bodies.And since the batsman had to contend with balls coming towards the body even a 145k ball felt more dangerous than a 155k ball leaving him.

blue_champion
26th February 2016, 01:54
135-140 with terrific skills like swing,seaming the ball,a good yorker and a good bouncer still feels very quick.

Every Pundit names Wasim as the most difficult bowler they have faced and I don't have to say it but posts above already imply that he looked a notch slower than Waqar or Imran.

I don't want this to look like I am downgrading Imran's skills but how many players have said they were scared of Imran's pace?

Hawkeye
26th February 2016, 02:03
Getting annoyed at some posters chest thumping and asking parosis to stay away.

Come up with some logic please rather than such illogical statements.

Anyways,

Shoaib Akhtar is the fastest bowler ever : so far at least, and probably for eternity as I don't think someone will break his record.

Rest is nothing but speculation and 'eye speed gun' measurements.

Im Suds
26th February 2016, 02:22
135-140 with terrific skills like swing,seaming the ball,a good yorker and a good bouncer still feels very quick.

Every Pundit names Wasim as the most difficult bowler they have faced and I don't have to say it but posts above already imply that he looked a notch slower than Waqar or Imran.


I don't want this to look like I am downgrading Imran's skills but how many players have said they were scared of Imran's pace?

Quite a few actually- graham gooch, Allan border, Clive Lloyd, viv Richards .

You havent seen or read enough of Imran .
Remember we are talking about his peak years of 1982-5 . He was as quick as anyone in the world during this time .
Better to say your not sure .

Im Suds
26th February 2016, 02:25
No one ever compared IK's speed to Holding Marshall Roberts Thomson and co. who were all clocked in excess of 150ks at some point in time in their careers.

IK was most likely Wasim's speed 140.-145 mostly with some effort deliveries may be going close to 148-149ks.What made IK look more dangerous was his wide of the crease angle and prodigious inswing which made the ball come in to the batsman at almost impossible angles and hit them on their bodies.And since the batsman had to contend with balls coming towards the body even a 145k ball felt more dangerous than a 155k ball leaving him.

Are Sunil & kapil no bodies ?

Robert
26th February 2016, 02:51
I don't mean to put down Imran here as he was a great player...one of the best ever to play the game but he was maybe in the same league as say a Zaheer Khan,Pollock or a Mcgrath,someone who had incredible skills and could up his pace to 135 or 140's if the situation demanded it.

I saw a lot of Imran and he was consistently a yard quicker than any of those three.

ChachaCricket
26th February 2016, 02:57
Imran Khan born in 1952 was 27-28 in 1979.Its so believable that 28 year old bowler gains 10ks in speed when he reaches 31-32.Happens so often in cricket.

Johnson bowled his fastest at 31-32.

AlphaFighter
26th February 2016, 03:30
Waqar's so called consistent express pace is a myth. Sure he could fire in the odd 155 km/hr yorker when really striving for the pull pitched yorker but he was at average around 140-145 km/hr for the most part and he would only push his efforts once the ball got older. He was certainly not quicker than Akhtar on average.

Imran i believe on average would operate at 136-140 km/hr while really pushing himself for the effort ball when the new batsman is at the wicket. Same for Wasim.

Aqib i believe was in the low to mid 130's but could really push himself to 140 km/hr as well.

Monsee
26th February 2016, 03:50
Imran Khan was never clocked at 150ks.Not even close.He most likely topped around 145-146ks not 150 plus.

Fast bowlers become stronger and better yes but not after the age of 30.Its laughable to suggest that a bowler gained 10ks in speed after 28-29 years of age.Fast bowlers start losing speed once they get to the other side of 30.



You are continuing to go around the same silly logic i.e. all people grow strong, tall, old etc. at the sametime and that is the folly of your argument!

Let's take an example from my own life: By the time I was 15, I was already 170 LBS and 5' 10 1/2" tall...now we all know that people keep growing even around 20-21 and yet I never grew an inch after that; so you are gonna tell me I should have peaked around 21, what happened there? Also, I was just reading an article that suggests that one can keep growing taller even after 21, how does that anomoly works then?

Point of this is again, no two people grow tall, stronger, older etc. at the sametime. So for you to try and teach me something I know is wrong is not gonna work here...I watched Imran's whole career starting from 1976 and if you tell me you can deduce something different by just reading some articles, watching some videos and assuming a few things...that is purely your own incorrect analysis, nothing more than that.

Imran reached his peak speeds in 1981-82, some 3 years after that speed competition and with a completely different action and a much stronger body as well!

Romali_rotti
26th February 2016, 03:57
lol at the insecure Imranstas, Proof or it didnt happen, there was no timed speed for Imran as far as I know in a real match. The only timed speed for Imran was during the speed contest in the 70's where he didnt even touch 140 ks if I am right ?....... PROOF or DIDNT happen, yeah yeah you can go on about this player said that and that player said this, not saying Imran was slow, he was quick by those days standards if he was playing today he wouldn't be considered quick, just about every country has now created a bowler who can come close to 150 Ks............

Monsee
26th February 2016, 04:00
Waqar's so called consistent express pace is a myth. Sure he could fire in the odd 155 km/hr yorker when really striving for the pull pitched yorker but he was at average around 140-145 km/hr for the most part and he would only push his efforts once the ball got older. He was certainly not quicker than Akhtar on average.

Imran i believe on average would operate at 136-140 km/hr while really pushing himself for the effort ball when the new batsman is at the wicket. Same for Wasim.

Aqib i believe was in the low to mid 130's but could really push himself to 140 km/hr as well.




Waqar was seriously quick in his peak, no wonder many batsmen of his era list him to be the fastest they have ever faced; the 2-3 serious injuries he suffered wrecked his speed completely. Even in 2001 in England and then in 2003 WC he was touching 130-135 KMH most of the time.

LOL, so Aaqib, who was the slowest of the 4, was mostly low to mid 130's and Imran who was the 2nd fastest of the group also operated in around mid 130's - 140 KMH; make up your mind!

Akram in his last WC: 2003 was still bowling in mid 130's to 140 KMH...so how was he at his peak at the same point as he was at the end of his career with diabetes and after a career of 20 years?

People who are judging these bowlers on available videos alone since they have not seen these in person (most of their careers especially) should not be making any guesses IMO

blue_champion
26th February 2016, 04:01
You have to up your speed to be effective with reverse swing.....so a semi-altered ball from a bowler bowling 135 clicks now coming at the batsmen at 140's or even the odd 145 and doing crazy things will definitely feel a lot more quicker.

Watch a regular pitched delivery of Morne Morkel at 150+ and watch a reverse swinging toe crushing inswinger from Wasim at 135-140 and tell me what looks quicker

Im Suds
26th February 2016, 04:25
You have to up your speed to be effective with reverse swing.....so a semi-altered ball from a bowler bowling 135 clicks now coming at the batsmen at 140's or even the odd 145 and doing crazy things will definitely feel a lot more quicker.

Watch a regular pitched delivery of Morne Morkel at 150+ and watch a reverse swinging toe crushing inswinger from Wasim at 135-140 and tell me what looks quicker

Have you seen Imran, Wasim, or Waqar bowl when any of these were at their peak?

carrom_ball
26th February 2016, 04:28
Everybody accepts that Imran was quick, I don't get why some people are trying to prove that he bowled 150+, there is no way to prove that, the only evidence we have suggests he bowled at max around 145, rest is just speculation

yasir
26th February 2016, 06:40
This.

Modern day speed guns are deceptive.

Waqar, Wasim particularly were unplayable speed demons in their peak and if batsmen are playing Starc 160 kph with ease i wonder what speeds were those that even got Lara, De Silva floored.

What got them floor was banana reverse swing more so than pace.... At that time only Pakistani knew how to reverse swing and the mechanics behind it, that was big advantage.... Also since there was less scrutiny about ball condition, Pakistan did it extra...

I remember back in 90s we used to reverse a lot even at collage/university level, by scratching one side badly, even after 12/14 overs...obviously those matches were not very well policed...You cannot imagine the amount of reverse swing one can get when two sides completely opposite, one very shiny and other completely scratched!!


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Justcrazy
26th February 2016, 07:25
Zahid , Akhtar , Waqar were fastest Pakistan ever Produced.

Junaids
26th February 2016, 07:46
Waqar's so called consistent express pace is a myth. Sure he could fire in the odd 155 km/hr yorker when really striving for the pull pitched yorker but he was at average around 140-145 km/hr for the most part and he would only push his efforts once the ball got older. He was certainly not quicker than Akhtar on average.

Imran i believe on average would operate at 136-140 km/hr while really pushing himself for the effort ball when the new batsman is at the wicket. Same for Wasim.

Aqib i believe was in the low to mid 130's but could really push himself to 140 km/hr as well.

Dare I ask, did you only see him after his first back stress fractures in 1991-92?

He was consistently express until then, although not yet skilful with the new ball.

He bowled in short, express spells under Imran Khan and at Surrey, and there would not be more than one ball per over under 150K.

But after the fractures - and Ian Bishop's at the same time - Imran advised him to make the same change that he himself made from 1984-85 when he recovered from his shin stress fractures.

So he copied Imran in reducing his general pace to around 140-145, with one or two much quicker balls inserted into each spell.

And Waqar had a third phase, from 1997-98, after he had mastered the new ball, and in that phase he bowled 133-137K with occasional balls around 143K.

freelance_cricketer
26th February 2016, 12:25
What got them floor was banana reverse swing more so than pace.... At that time only Pakistani knew how to reverse swing and the mechanics behind it, that was big advantage.... Also since there was less scrutiny about ball condition, Pakistan did it extra...

I remember back in 90s we used to reverse a lot even at collage/university level, by scratching one side badly, even after 12/14 overs...obviously those matches were not very well policed...You cannot imagine the amount of reverse swing one can get when two sides completely opposite, one very shiny and other completely scratched!!


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It wasn't just reverse swing but the pace is always crucial. Zaheer Khan bowled reverse swing at 135 kph, never floored anyone.

JibranAnsari
26th February 2016, 13:06
sometimes I wish we had better cameras in the days of west indies pace battery , viv richards and all the other legends. A lots has been buried in the history.

freelance_cricketer
26th February 2016, 13:25
sometimes I wish we had better cameras in the days of west indies pace battery , viv richards and all the other legends. A lots has been buried in the history.

Their legend has only grown bigger due to lack of cameras, if anything people would be rating them much lower if we had current day angles.

JibranAnsari
26th February 2016, 13:29
Their legend has only grown bigger due to lack of cameras, if anything people would be rating them much lower if we had current day angles.

We can only speculate all this , the west indies ruled the world for more than a decade. Some of them rate them very high and some have doubts , but playing the fast bowlers without helmets and players having the hook shot in their armory must have been scenes to rejoice. How often do we see a perfect hook shot these days , yes batsmen are better these days but cant say this about the bowling.

Robert
26th February 2016, 14:17
We can only speculate all this , the west indies ruled the world for more than a decade. Some of them rate them very high and some have doubts , but playing the fast bowlers without helmets and players having the hook shot in their armory must have been scenes to rejoice. How often do we see a perfect hook shot these days , yes batsmen are better these days but cant say this about the bowling.

I wouldn't say better. They are stronger and hit for more power. Technically the guys from decades ago were better. Many modern batters have poor defensive techniques because so many of the wickets are so flat. So they get found out when the wickets take seam or spin.

JibranAnsari
26th February 2016, 14:50
I wouldn't say better. They are stronger and hit for more power. Technically the guys from decades ago were better. Many modern batters have poor defensive techniques because so many of the wickets are so flat. So they get found out when the wickets take seam or spin.

Yah mostly because they are not subjected to such conditions more often and also because batsmen are always trying to score runs. I wonder how the batsmen of yesteryears would have fared if they were asked to bat at 3.5 4. Rpo in test cricket.

Robert
26th February 2016, 14:58
Yah mostly because they are not subjected to such conditions more often and also because batsmen are always trying to score runs. I wonder how the batsmen of yesteryears would have fared if they were asked to bat at 3.5 4. Rpo in test cricket.

There were a few guys like Richards, Botham and especially Kapil who scored fast. Overall I think the eighties batters would score a more slowly but would be harder to get out, so there would be more drawn test matches. The fielding is much better now - there are lots of Randalls and Rhodeses.

Haroon786
26th February 2016, 15:16
Everybody accepts that Imran was quick, I don't get why some people are trying to prove that he bowled 150+, there is no way to prove that, the only evidence we have suggests he bowled at max around 145, rest is just speculation

What evidence do we have that suggest he could bowl 145, but couldn't 150 ?

stevewittry
26th February 2016, 15:31
Let us thrown random speed numbers in and feel macho about it..

I dont think think apart from Waqar and may be Imran Khan others were express pacers just quality bowlers...at the speed Wasim was operating in end 90s and early 2000s (80-86 MPH) he was quite dangerous due to skills and brain he got.

Imran during that 1979 speed test with his old action was clocked 139.7 KPH on the flip side Thompson was also clocked at max speed of 149 KPH so we can say with his modified action and proper testing he should clock around 149/150 KPH mark not quicker (which is quite quick)...

Waqar Younis was clocked fastest 153 KPH in 1993 in SA which was his peak really and is quite some pace to say the least with his yorkers and swing deadly I must say.

Waseem Akram is measured at 145 KPH in 1993 also he was also young and at his peak speed so hard to say if he use to bowl any faster...how good he was that is not something up their to debate.

Aqib was not measured as per my knowledge but he was slowest of the lot I think and should be around 140-145 at best.

These speeds I got from http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/95065.html link and is provided with this disclaimer.

This list is not a comprehensive database of all such deliveries to have been timed at 140kph or faster. Nor is it official in any capacity. It simply shows which bowlers have broken this barrier on known occasions in international matches. If you are able to supply any substantiable information on deliveries not listed below, please contact Eddie so we can endeavour to make it more complete.

I saw Abdul Razzaq in this list with a reading of 147 kph and then stopped reading :-)

Junaids
26th February 2016, 15:34
batsmen are better these days but cant say this about the bowling.

Do you really believe that?

Batsmen get away with top-edged hooks going for six because the bats are outrageously oversized, the wickets have no grass on them and the boundaries are brought in.

Believe me, in the days before helmets the people who hooked were a damn sight better at it. Because if they missed, they risked dying.

Junaids
26th February 2016, 15:35
Yah mostly because they are not subjected to such conditions more often and also because batsmen are always trying to score runs. I wonder how the batsmen of yesteryears would have fared if they were asked to bat at 3.5 4. Rpo in test cricket.

Why would you ask anyone to bat at that rate in Tests?

New Zealand has just tried it in 5 Tests against Australia. They lost 4 of them.

Dr_Bassim
26th February 2016, 15:48
Why would you ask anyone to bat at that rate in Tests?

New Zealand has just tried it in 5 Tests against Australia. They lost 4 of them.

And then there are some like CricketAnalyst who believe its harder to play T20 then test cricket.

They also believe T20 players have much better technique than the attrition of test cricket for 05 days.

Junaids
26th February 2016, 16:17
And then there are some like CricketAnalyst who believe its harder to play T20 then test cricket.

They also believe T20 players have much better technique than the attrition of test cricket for 05 days.

Don't be too harsh on CricketAnalyst. He is a very smart young man (probably smarter than us!) who thinks that that scientific analysis can identify the best strategy.

What he doesn't get - but I hope that one day he will - is that we love Test cricket because it contains so many variables, many of them independent variables, which make it so engrossing for we dinosaurs.

Consider the two recent Test series in which Australia beat New Zealand 2-0 home and away. It was a massive win. But even Convict (although probably not Gilly or trogger) would accept that if Brendon McCullum had played less risky cricket, it would have been totally different.

New Zealand was outclassed in the First Test in Brisbane, but was 20 minutes away from being saved by the rain. Sure, McCullum got a bad decision, but if he had shown better calmer leadership it would have been 0-0 going into Adelaide - and if Nathan Lyon hadn't got his DRS reprieve in a Test which was too close to call, New Zealand might actually have sneaked home having stolen a 1-0 series win instead of having suffered a thumping 2-0 loss.

We saw a pair of series between two quite good teams. One had a strong coach full of common sense and a skipper who followed the wise counsel of that coach. The other had a weak coach who exerted no control over a captain with a mediocre IQ who did not respect the history of the game and thought that he could reinvent it.

People who over-estimate modern bowling and batting fail to realise that many players straddle multiple generations. Tendulkar played against both Waqar and Shoaib. Imran bowled to Viv Richards and to Tendulkar.

Cricket has been a professional game for decades. It hasn't just become professional. The only things that have changed are pitches, bats and balls which encourage slogging by technically inferior batsmen.

carrom_ball
26th February 2016, 16:21
Why would you ask anyone to bat at that rate in Tests?

New Zealand has just tried it in 5 Tests against Australia. They lost 4 of them.

When Australia was the best team in the world in the 2000s they use to score at 4, consistently and that put a lot of pressure on the opposition and helped them win many matches, scoring at a good rate increases the chances of winning matches, your one off extreme example of nz doesn't change that fact.

Junaids
26th February 2016, 17:18
When Australia was the best team in the world in the 2000s they use to score at 4, consistently and that put a lot of pressure on the opposition and helped them win many matches, scoring at a good rate increases the chances of winning matches, your one off extreme example of nz doesn't change that fact.
They had a batting line-up of:

Langer: better than any Asian opener except Gavaskar
Hayden ATG
Ponting ATG
Martyn almost ATG
M Waugh almost ATG
S Waugh ATG
Gilchrist ATG

carrom_ball
26th February 2016, 17:45
They had a batting line-up of:

Langer: better than any Asian opener except Gavaskar
Hayden ATG
Ponting ATG
Martyn almost ATG
M Waugh almost ATG
S Waugh ATG
Gilchrist ATG

And? That's what I am saying,great batsman score at good rate, btw sehwag > langar

JibranAnsari
26th February 2016, 19:25
Why would you ask anyone to bat at that rate in Tests?

New Zealand has just tried it in 5 Tests against Australia. They lost 4 of them.

The overall runrates have increased a lot , yah there are tes like pakistan who score at less than 3 rpo but most teams score at 3 4 runs per over these days. Even pakistan chased a healthy target scoring at 5 rpo.

Monsee
26th February 2016, 20:08
I saw Abdul Razzaq in this list with a reading of 147 kph and then stopped reading :-)



Razaq actually hit 140+ KMH regularly in the 1999 tour to Australia and probably got close to 145 KMH as well...it was the first time he toured there or was it 1997? In those days he was pretty quick, almost at the level of a Good fast bowler.

pacesensation
28th February 2016, 21:19
NatWest Series England

Not sure bro, I remember all matches of natwest 2001, he was bowling at 80-86 mph, Which match?
against eng or australia, can you be more specific please?

AZulfi
28th February 2016, 21:21
Waqar quicker than Imran quicker than Wasim quicker than Aaqib (Aaqib was fast medium not fast)

Strike Rate
28th February 2016, 21:25
Not sure bro, I remember all matches of natwest 2001, he was bowling at 80-86 mph, Which match?
against eng or australia, can you be more specific please?

Here is the list bro and the match was at Leeds http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/95065.html

The match where Waqar got 7 wickets (that includes all top 5 batsmen wickets).

match card http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66279.html

pacesensation
28th February 2016, 21:39
Here is the list bro and the match was at Leeds http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/95065.html

The match where Waqar got 7 wickets (that includes all top 5 batsmen wickets).

match card http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66279.html

I watched entire pak bowling in that match. I am pretty sure he was not 147kph bowler by then. It must have been a mistake.

Point is that he was 135 t0 140 kph bowler by then.

Majid Khan
28th February 2016, 21:47
Not concerned with speed guns or readings, I've seen enough cricket over the years to know when there's someone bowling a spell at genuine pace.

Bear this in mind , there's a difference between getting the odd quick ball to clock at 145kph - 150kph range , and on the other hand being able to bowl a spell of hostile express pace bowling in this range with quicker deliveries going between 150- 155kph.

Imran Khan at his peak as a fast bowler which unfortunately was cut short due to injury, bowled some spells that were ferociously quick and devastating.

Wasim Akram would probably bowl most of his spells at 85-90mph range and never looked like he was pushing himself, but then when the batsmen least expected and he wanted to bowl quick, he could go up a gear and bowl a spell that was rapid, definitely in the 90-95mph range

Waqar Younis was the quickest and I would say as fast if not even a touch quicker than Shoaib Akhtar, forget about what the speed guns tell you. I remember county games for Surrey when Waqar's bowling was sending middle stumps cart wheeling a fair distance back and wicket keeper Alec Stewart was so far back it was unreal.
Definitely up there bowling most of his spells at his peak in the 90-95mph range.

Aaqib Javed - fast medium but used to think at the time that he was still a yard quicker than the English and Indian pacers of that time, not that this was any benchmark :) but like Javagal Srinath, there were days when even Aaqib would bend his back and generate some real pace I would imagine touching 90-92mph.

Think about it this way, even Stuart Broad, Finn, Plunkett, Arun Varun, Ishant Sharma and how many other average bowlers in recent times have been clocked at 90-93 mph+. The point is these bowlers are not capable of bowling spells in that range, that's the difference.

As for who the fastest bowler I've ever seen -- for me it was Michael Holding, and the best thing about him , is that he never actually looked like he was going into top gear doing it ! he actually looked like he holding himself back and could bowl at 5 mph quicker easily by putting a bit more effort, what a majestic fast bowling action he had.