OT: Kids, where art thou

[Schiller]

since we can use this between the members only and as OT so why not? lets keep it clean but other than that we should be able to

[catwoman]

hey |-A

[Schiller]

how do ye do :-D
wheres the rest now?

[catwoman]

Long time no see :-D

[Geordie Ahmed]

Vah jee Vah Umar, kya baath hai!!!

its good to see this is back!

[Schiller]

bus baadshao, thanoo tey pata aiga saada

ha ha :oD

glad to see it back too :-D

[catwoman]

Are we going to be talking in Punjabi in this thread? :oP

Kiddan?

[Schiller]

ha ha

ga, you speak punjabi right?

[Geordie Ahmed]

please not Punjabi, my Punjabi is no existant!

if you wanna chat in Mirpuri then im game :-D

[Schiller]

ha ha
is mirpuri different?

heres a thought, i think accents tell a lot about the grp/nation of people that use it.
It could be a good tool to judge a nation and general characteristics perhaps.

just like tone of a person gives you an idea of the kind of person he is

[catwoman]

Kiddan GA? Ki haal aye? :-D

[Geordie Ahmed]

Mirpuri is different, my family is from Mirpur, Azad Kashmir so i speak the way my parents do! though i was i could speak and understand Punjabi

[Schiller]

punjabi swearing is something to write home about waisay
ha

you can always tell about the persons spectrum of emotions by his tone waisay

and on that note met this whine timbred girl today, i tell ya though she excited she got on my nerves, the q in mind was would i want to hear it at shall we say a high pitch ;-)

[catwoman]

I have some Kashmiri blood in me. :-)

[Geordie Ahmed]

Kiddan GA? Ki haal aye? :-D

Sab kuch teekh taakh hai.

and on that note met this whine timbred girl today, i tell ya though she excited she got on my nerves, the q in mind was would i want to hear it at shall we say a high pitch

:oD :oD

sounded like the guy from Polic Academy? :-D

[Schiller]

GA
what do you say now? mona has kashmiri blood and by that rationale shes one of you
who as i would now ask is lesser of the two devils
:oD

[Schiller]

"sounded like the guy from Polic Academy "

so youve seen that?? i saw the first part and man it was a hoot
ha ha :oD

[Schiller]

alright lad and lass
am off

[catwoman]

Rab rakha :-D

[Geordie Ahmed]

I have some Kashmiri blood in me. :-)

you dont realise how much that hurt!

so youve seen that?? i saw the first part and man it was a hoot
ha ha

i loved PA, the 6th one was crap but the others were very good!

GA
what do you say now? mona has kashmiri blood and by that rationale shes one of you
who as i would now ask is lesser of the two devils

yaar words fail me |-K

[catwoman]

GA
what do you say now? mona has kashmiri blood and by that rationale shes one of you
who as i would now ask is lesser of the two devils
:oD

I'm mostly Punjabi though. :-p

[catwoman]

you dont realise how much that hurt!

Fitay mo |-G

[Geordie Ahmed]

I'm mostly Punjabi though.

Thank god for that :-D

[catwoman]

I'm mostly Punjabi though.

Thank god for that :-D

Yep. Proud to be Punjabi :-D

[Geordie Ahmed]

Yep. Proud to be Punjabi

Though i doubt Punjabis are are proud that you are one of them! :-D :-D

[Schiller]

:oD :oD :oD

when mona said kashimiri i thought good now shes with GA but then she asid mostlypunjabi and i thought oh oh one of us?? :oD

[catwoman]

:oD :oD :oD

when mona said kashimiri i thought good now shes with GA but then she asid mostlypunjabi and i thought oh oh one of us?? :oD

What happened to Punjabi unity? ?-a

[Schiller]

:oD :oD :oD

darling, punjabis infamous for ratting each other out
:oD ha ha

[catwoman]

Sohnay, don't you dare diss Punjabis. Shame on you! Mey tenu gandasay naal maraan gi. :-D

[Schiller]

"mein tey nu gandaasay naal maaraan gi"

that would be better i believe
:-p

[catwoman]

What? That's how it was :-D

[Schiller]

it was and it also says

edited two times in total at the bottom
ha ha :oD

[catwoman]

What are you talking about? :-D

[Schiller]

:oD :-D

[catwoman]

Ao mere naal bhangra pao ;-)

[Schiller]

ha ha :oD

hate the word and the dance both waisay
not sure how anyone ould like bhangra though
its so ...
dont like salsa either wasay

GA or sage, do you guys dance at all? riya?

[catwoman]

Bhangra is the best! :-D

Nach Punjaban nach!

I love all kinds of dances. :-p

[varsha]

Yay! A kids thread again! Life is back to normal now :-D

[Schiller]

ha ha
welcome back little one :-D

[Geordie Ahmed]

No dancing for me man, i have 2 left feet when it comes to dancing! its not for me!
the closest i come to dancing is playing football

[Schiller]

dammit ga
try to go for Tango, you should be able to get some surely ;-)

[Geordie Ahmed]

Nahee yaar, its just not for me! tango seems well complex, i dont have them types of movement in me!

[Schiller]

ga

youre making me think youre the cow breeding tos.ser that i hoped you werent :oD ha ha

[Geordie Ahmed]

Why than you thats the best compliment you have ever paid me |-T |-T

thats just the way it is! i've never danced in my 21 years of life and i dont plan on starting now

[Schiller]

:oD :oD :oD

the worst was when i was in chicago at my cousins wedding and this felmale good lookin artist i had been flirting with wanted to dance and i kept syaing no i cant dance (my uncle was looking at me from the coerner of his eyes so that wasnt good either)
ha
still regret that one :-D

[Schiller]

i believe youve never had a love affair then GA?? how come?
didnt find a desi to fall head over .. over heels?

[varsha]

I personally really strongly dislike bhangra or the songs that go with it! It's probably because of the stupid remix songs that are shown on TV - asian dudes trying to look/act cool but just sound terrible!

[Riya]

Hi Umar, Sage and all other kids :-D

[varsha]

Hi didi, welcome back to this thread :-)

[Sage]

Thought I'd grace the thread with my presence.

Welcome aboard V and R!

We do have our priorities messed up on this board though...we need some better smileys :OD

[Sage]

Lemme try again :oD

[Sage]

:oD :oD :oD

the worst was when i was in chicago at my cousins wedding and this felmale good lookin artist i had been flirting with wanted to dance and i kept syaing no i cant dance (my uncle was looking at me from the coerner of his eyes so that wasnt good either)
ha
still regret that one :-D

You remember where the wedding was? I've never danced at a wedding for this reason...don't want my whole family suddenly realizing I'm a flirt

[Sage]

I personally really strongly dislike bhangra or the songs that go with it! It's probably because of the stupid remix songs that are shown on TV - asian dudes trying to look/act cool but just sound terrible!

V, who the hell is this Jay Sean guy? And this homo looking Raghav guy? British imports have sucked for a while now.

[varsha]

Sage, you should post in the kids thread more often!!

Jay sean is this really good looking asian r n b singer - he songs are pretty good specially 'eyes on you' and 'stolen'

Raghav is canadian indian! Don't down the brits! haha

[Sage]

Alright will check this Jay Sean guy's songs. Suhaib seemed to be obsessed with him :oD

Figures that flamer Raghav was Canadian.

I've been real busy recently V, and I don't know if it'll let up. I'll try to pop in here and there though...

Email me if ya miss me

[varsha]

Sage, you have mail :-D

[Schiller]

sage that would be 4 yrs this july that i went to chicago for the wedding
plus i had newly come to canada and didnt want my uncle thinking already hes getting them into bed
would never have lived it down
ha :oD

[varsha]

poeple should post here more!

[Saqlain_doosra]

All you guys arr to obsses with kids.

Whats this topic on?

[Geordie Ahmed]

SD its about nothing in particular

[Sage]

The Seinfeld of threads?

[sajjad]

its about everything yet nothing really

Sorry I have not contributed to this thread as of yet. I'm quite busy nowadays. I'll try to make more of a contribution now

[Schiller]

if this is Seinfeld, then Id like to be Kramer and sage as Jerry?
GA as George (now thats on the money really) :oD

who is elaine ;-)

[varsha]

North americans and their tv programs...geez! :-D

[Sage]

Seriously Kids, where are you?
Well I got an excuse cause of work.

[Sage]

The Usual Suspects?

Umar
Varsha
Mona
Radhika
Riya
Hitman
Razzler
Geordie

Annie?!
Zinnia?!?
Aisha?!?!

[Sage]

Someone get Muz in this thread too...

I personally really strongly dislike bhangra or the songs that go with it! It's probably because of the stupid remix songs that are shown on TV - asian dudes trying to look/act cool but just sound terrible!

V, who the hell is this Jay Sean guy? And this homo looking Raghav guy? British imports have sucked for a while now.

Too true

[Abdul Qadir 236]

Jay Sean aka K...............Singh is brilliant. Stolen is one of the best songs I have ever heard.
Though I dont think Varsha-ji likes him for that reason! Raghav says he is a mix of desi and Scottish music. riiiiiiiiiight.................

Bhangra is the best! :-D

Nach Punjaban nach!

I love all kinds of dances. :-p

I'm not the best of dancers so I try to avoid it. Only exceptions are when clubbing

[Sage]

Any good music comin out the Isles?

I dunno. Not really up-to-date with music these days. All cos of the cricket

[Sage]

Raghav wears a little skirt and blows someone's bag-pipe. Fag.

Raghav wears a little skirt and blows someone's bag-pipe. Fag.

:oD

A rather surprising fact is that he is VERY popular amongst desi girls here. If you have any gig with him coming, it's a sell-out

[Sage]

Not very surprising actually.

Most desi girls are complete idiots.

Not very surprising actually.

Most desi girls are complete idiots.

That's true. Well I wouldn't say 'most' but 'a lot' of them are.

Sage, howz things going down ur end? I forgot what ur marital status was |-K

[catwoman]

My excuse is that I was sleeping and am sick too. Is it valid? :oP

More or less. lol

[Sage]

Sage, howz things going down ur end? I forgot what ur marital status was |-K

Single. Was actually engaged last year but I broke it off.

[Officer Barbrady]

The kids series seems to be on its last legs... :-D

[varsha]

Sage, howz things going down ur end? I forgot what ur marital status was |-K

Single. Was actually engaged last year but I broke it off.

Last year when sage? How comes you never told us?

Raghav is a pretty good singer and no not all desi girls are idiot...hint hint! :oD

Reason why i don't post here as much is because no one else posts here either! I don't fancy talking to myself you see :-D

[Sage]

I talk to myself all the time. Quite funny if you see it happening.

Was engaged March of last year. Lasted for two months, don't want to go into details here.

[varsha]

I talk to myself all the time. Quite funny if you see it happening.

Was engaged March of last year. Lasted for two months, don't want to go into details here.

Ok fair enough :-)

I don't talk to myself but when i see people talking to themsevles, i find it highly amusing :-D

[Sage]

If you're curious V, I'll email you about it.

Will get around to that eventually, my emails piling up.

Sage, howz things going down ur end? I forgot what ur marital status was |-K

Single. Was actually engaged last year but I broke it off.

Why?

[varsha]

Sage, email me whenever you can, no hurry :-)

How are you V?

[varsha]

I'm good thanks, hitman, you? Long time no see

I'm a bit busy nowadays

[Schiller]

busy my ass, you lazy git
:oD

sage, you were engaged??
you philandering bastar.d
:oD

we should get Muz on here and oon that note where riya?

[Schiller]

Stellaaaaaaa

[varsha]

Who is Muz??!

[Sage]

V, it's the girl who wants to play cricket

[Schiller]

now heres a q sage

theres this girl in the lib that i see from time to time and she never fails to give me that old smile. the prob is that i am not in the same class or anything so what would be a good way to approach the thinggy ? im sure that i can get 'there' (the smile is quite pregnant shall i say)
the q is how to approach without screwing up
(shes canadian ofcourse)

[Sage]

Why is this board so slow all the sudden?

Umar:
Well figure out what she's studying and if you have time, research it a little. The most important thing about approaching women you don't really know, is figuring out their personality type. For this, you need an icebreaker conversation to get their guard down and get them comfortable talking to you. Some women like to have their egos stroked, some like to be seduced by a charmer, some like their man to be in total control.

I'm sure you don't need all this advice, but may be of some help for our younger members.

[Sage]

Why is this board so slow all the sudden?

Umar:
Well figure out what she's studying and if you have time, research it a little. The most important thing about approaching women you don't really know, is figuring out their personality type. For this, you need an icebreaker conversation to get their guard down and get them comfortable talking to you. Some women like to have their egos stroked, some like to be seduced by a charmer, some like their man to be in total control.

I'm sure you don't need all this advice, but may be of some help for our younger members.

[Schiller]

"Why is this board so slow all the sudden? "

yar server issues, they try to do maintenance and what not. the thing is they were one of the better ones, offering quite a bit of bandwidth and all .

im sure hitman and maybe the ever starved good young GA could learn a bit from that. the thing is I know a bit about her and could also perhaps chart her personality out
the problem is how do i begin the thinggy, its not as easy as it sounds. and I guess i am rusty now. i have been trying to get coffee the same time she does so theres some proximity but the darned fool doesnt drink coffee and make no mistake you can see shes horny from a mile

[Schiller]

and hitman, most desis (90% atleast) are a pain in the most honest organ of man, if you know what I mean ;-)

[Schiller]

not to mention that she has an ass you could die in ;-)

[Sage]

you can try all sorts of stuff

something i did, though i'm not proud of, but the girl was definitely worth it:

one day, just followed her around to see her schedule

then two days later (we had an alternating day scheduling system), i "conveniently" ran into her

i didn't really know her well enough to start talking comfortably, but i made sure i had a funny story to share, very rehearsed and expertly relayed, to break the ice

if thats a bit too deviant for you :oD then just go up to her table and unzip your fly

she'll get the idea

[Schiller]

:oD :oD

after unzipping, i could always say im revealing my real self to you :oD

so basically you suggest I stalk her
ha ha
i like that idea
shes almost the kind, whom youd want to bed but not a whole lot more and i think she wants just that too.

[Sage]

if you think she wants that, then be very direct
probably not as direct as the unzipping, but very forward nonetheless

don't doubt yourself

[Schiller]

doubt has never been an issue, in this case, getting the rt opening line is going to be one, she doesnt look like she will have any clue about artsy fartsy stuff or even anything intelligent. doesnt look like she can take humor either
now if I met her in a bar that would be excellent, just the kind to pick from a bar. difficult to hold a conv with her i suspect. again she does look tired at times and perhaps one could always say how fresh she looks ;-)

[Sage]

You're asking for a pickup line?
Well don't ask me, I've used some in the past that I've thought were clever and gotten smacked for 'em.

Used one in an elevator, we were smiling at each other. Don't even remember the line but it certainly could've been misconstrued as offensive. Actually, it didn't even need to be misconstrued. She walked backwards into a corner, opened her purse, and took out her mace spray and pointed at me for the rest of the ride. While I'm standing there laughing my ass off. The worst part was we were both headed to the same apartment for a party. But at least she didnt cockblock me, just avoided me.

[Schiller]

a pick up line of sorts perhaps
but pickup lines are tricky
because they can backfire when you think you got the perfect one

[Sage]

Try to be too clever, and they will backfire. Most women are offended by wit, because they don't know how else to react to it.

[Schiller]

very astute observation wasay
most women prefer the moronic type simply cause they know they can twist and tango, the witty ones, they realise their inferiority the meoment you speak

"Why is this board so slow all the sudden? "

yar server issues, they try to do maintenance and what not. the thing is they were one of the better ones, offering quite a bit of bandwidth and all .

im sure hitman and maybe the ever starved good young GA could learn a bit from that. the thing is I know a bit about her and could also perhaps chart her personality out
the problem is how do i begin the thinggy, its not as easy as it sounds. and I guess i am rusty now. i have been trying to get coffee the same time she does so theres some proximity but the darned fool doesnt drink coffee and make no mistake you can see shes horny from a mile

and hitman, most desis (90% atleast) are a pain in the most honest organ of man, if you know what I mean ;-)

I know ;-)

Keep the convo going. Pretty educational :-D

Umar. as Sage says you can always be more direct ;-)

I'm really not good at chat-up lines hence I don't try. I just ease the girl into conversation and talk about whatever she wants to. Once she starts becoming comfortable around you then it's time to act.
I'm still new at the game but as they say 'Practice makes you perfect' ;-)

[Muzy]

lol chat up lines dont work unless the girls got a cheese brain... why dont u just complement her looks her hair gals jus love the attention no fake stuff but then again jus try the old book fall thing u see her in da library get a pile of books maybe the ones that she would no about and purposely fall or bump into her - oh and try not to hit her while u do this lol den take it from there.... it might work u no...

[Schiller]

the lot of you really dont want me to get anywhere do ya, one is syaing, i unzip or stalk, the other is saying be damn direct, the third is saying I bump into her
marvellous marvellous, i think ill just use good ol self deprecating humor and see where it takes me
girls like a guy generally who can make a joke about himself

[varsha]

If you use humour and she doesn't understand it, you'll look like complete fool :-D

Be direct with her, i agree with hitman :-D

[Schiller]

going by the general idea here id jsut tell her darling you have an amazing dog, lets walk it shall we?

going by the general idea here id jsut tell her darling you have an amazing dog, lets walk it shall we?

:oD

[varsha]

:oD :oD :oD @ Umar

Go do that and tell her what her reaction was! :-D

[Schiller]

actually hitman, walking the dog is not as innocent as you might think ;-)

[razzler]

Schiller wrote:
going by the general idea here id jsut tell her darling you have an amazing dog, lets walk it shall we?


:oD :oD :oD Umar Bhai try it.

actually hitman, walking the dog is not as innocent as you might think ;-)

I get it. Sometimes it can put you in akward positions ;-)

[Sage]

Was Hitman schooled on our euphemisms, Umar
:oD

I think he almost has it, save one big point.

[Schiller]

:oD :oD

he has to learn still id say
ha ha :oD

:o^

[Schiller]

i think spring or onslaught of it can surely be considered the mating season ;-)

[Schiller]

so are we all religious here in this thread?

[varsha]

Depends on what you're definition of religious is

[catwoman]

I am anything but religious :-D

[Sage]

We know that all too well Mona.

I go back and forth, but overall I'm very secular-minded.

[varsha]

I don't understand what religious is though! Is it praying to god all the time? Is it visiting holy places? Is it believing in god? Someone define religious and I'll answer it

[catwoman]

I go back and forth too. However days I have almost no interest in religion and hardly practice and at times find it hard to believe in God. |-K

[razzler]

I don't know about religious but I do pray five times a day and read Quran once a day. If thats called religious then I am one.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Umar you recommended me a book on Philosophy a while back but i cannot remember what it was called, do you remember?

[Schiller]

boysie the book is

The Story of Philosophy , written by Will Durant. youd love it

[Geordie Ahmed]

ta! i was in waterstones looking for Philosophy books, i thought id remember the name if i see the book but did not! il probably have to get it from Amazon

[Schiller]

I suspect thats one youll have to get from Amazon waisay, another book that you would enjoy is Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra. now thats a hoot too

also, if you can get a hold of Plato's Symposium, youd love it. its the one where the debate is about Love.

but i am apprehensive of saying anytihng 'intellectual' now
ha ha :oD

p.s Freud's book on Psychoanalysis of Everyday life is good but 3 essays on Infantile Sexuality is even better :oD

[Geordie Ahmed]

do you like Nietzsche??? i dont have a clue about him but when i have asked some ppl about him, they curse him but their explanation for the cursing goes beyond me (too many big words :-D )

[Schiller]

I like nietzsche for quite a few reasons waisay :-D
though he does deserve a olt of criticism as well specially from women ;-)
another thing is that most muslims wont like him ofcourse

I'm not at all religous, unfortunately. I mean it

[Abdul Qadir 236]

i am not too religious, i have strong beliefs on how we should live and that there is one God but thats really it. Varsha.....ur not like that with me lol
i believe if u have something to say to the girl say it.

[Schiller]

hitman you arent either??

a q to you guys, how does living in NA or england affect that?

do you think itwould be different if you had been in pak?

GA any luck with the books?

[Abdul Qadir 236]

I dont think so. Most Christians are more secular now Umar. NI is actually the most religious part of the UK.

[Schiller]

well that was directed to sage/ga/hitman and mona

but i agree the christians are leaning towards atheism quite a bit now

[Abdul Qadir 236]

oh sorry Umar. I am Protestant actually. I think there needs to be a restoration of religion to society, we are following the secular soppy socialist joke that is Europe too much.

[Schiller]

Do you guys think freud was right? what say you hitman and ga? ;-)

hitman you arent either??

a q to you guys, how does living in NA or england affect that?

do you think itwould be different if you had been in pak?



Oh yeah. Definitely. Well, in Pakistan I'd have less freedom and obviousily less to do in social terms (you know what I mean) hence I would probably be a better muslim. Also, for example, most of my friends, actually all but one are non-muslim and the environment takes its toll. I do hope to be a better muslim in the future. Wish me luck. I'll need LOADS of it

[Schiller]

yar other than the fact that alcohol is hard to come by and ofcourse no dance bars, everything else in karachi or lahore is not diffcul t ;-)

i think environment does in the sense that no one around is generally religious and that affects

but if you need any suggestion/advice re islam, feel free to ask, i cant promise the ultra hard view but i can certainly shed some light (despite my activiites :-D )

you need to surround yourself with a few good men so to speak and better still start with the translation of Surah Yasin. that should help in the beginning

[catwoman]

I don't think living in Pak or the west has a major impact on one's religious abilities. Those who are religious will practice regardless of where they live, those who aren't won't.

I don't think I would have been religious had I lived in Pakistan. I have my own beliefs and attitude towards religion and others can't change it easily. I have many Pakistani friends as well as non-Pakistani ones too, some are religious and some aren't but I don't get influenced by them or anyone else. I like doing what I want and am not the sort of person who will conform.

[Schiller]

actually mona, i disagree, environment's effect cannot be understated.

[razzler]

I have heard from mant scholars that the best way to relax and even cure some diseases is to hear Surah Yasin three times in a totally dark room?

[Schiller]

if you don tknow what the Surah is saying then listening to it might have some cosmetic effect but not a deeper one

[sajjad]

alcohol hard to come by...
hehe u havent quite kept the right company schiller..


yeah no dance bars... or just good ol bars for that matter

yar other than the fact that alcohol is hard to come by and ofcourse no dance bars, everything else in karachi or lahore is not diffcul t ;-)

i think environment does in the sense that no one around is generally religious and that affects

but if you need any suggestion/advice re islam, feel free to ask, i cant promise the ultra hard view but i can certainly shed some light [b](despite my activiites :-D )[b]

you need to surround yourself with a few good men so to speak and better still start with the translation of Surah Yasin. that should help in the beginning

:oD

I feel really uncomfortable with mullahs or wannabe mullahs. I feel as if they are imposing Islam on me. That is the reason I don't get along too well with a lot of my cousins. My dad's side of the family think that they are religous, well they think they are anyways. Like they are almost forcing me to come to the mosque to pray (verbally ofcourse) but I don't want to go cos I feel that then I'd only be praying because they said so. I don't feel that connection with God.

About social freedom in Pakistan, it was hard to comeby cos I was a teenager without too much resourses. Here, I am a teenager but everything is so readily available I just tend to go the wrong way.

And one question: How do you manage to pray a 5-fer and also indulge in 'unIslamic' activites?

[razzler]

I will find out more about the Surah Yasin point and if it is true then I need something like this badly.

[catwoman]

actually mona, i disagree, environment's effect cannot be understated.

I disagree with you. Most Pakistani people I know are more religious and conservative than me in most aspects, however that doesn't influence me one bit since I do what I want.

alcohol hard to come by...
hehe u havent quite kept the right company schiller..


yeah no dance bars... or just good ol bars for that matter

Go to www.murreebrewery.com

[Schiller]

"alcohol hard to come by...
hehe u havent quite kept the right company schiller.. "

for the general population sajjad, i used to have card nights and ofcourse there were drinkers there so.. :-D

[sajjad]

environment isnt the only factor but yeah it does effect ya

me with my **** friends, aint a guy i'd want my parents to know about.

with my **** friends is fine

Do you guys think freud was right? what say you hitman and ga? ;-)

Freud? Sorry for being ignorant, but I have no naffin' idea what you are talking about

[razzler]

Mona you might wanna try living there for a good ten years or so and see how it changes you.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

amazing hitman, i am the **** yet it could be said i live like a muslim! i cant even stand in off licence without feeling sick! alcohol is poison.

[sajjad]

my bootlegger used to bring it to my house... those were the days...life, it all empty now!

[Schiller]

"I feel really uncomfortable with mullahs or wannabe mullahs. I feel as if they are imposing Islam on me. That is the reason I don't get along too well with a lot of my cousins. My dad's side of the family think that they are religous, well they think they are anyways. Like they are almost forcing me to come to the mosque to pray (verbally ofcourse) but I don't want to go cos I feel that then I'd only be praying because they said so. I don't feel that connection with God. "


Thats a very valid pt and ayr most people turn away because of such approach really. the idea should be to do it cause you want to and thats why I suggested the translation of Surah cause it helps establish it.

"About social freedom in Pakistan, it was hard to comeby cos I was a teenager without too much resourses. Here, I am a teenager but everything is so readily available I just tend to go the wrong way. "

Next time if youre there when I am let me know ;-)

"And one question: How do you manage to pray a 5-fer and also indulge in 'unIslamic' activites?"

Yar, in the hope tha tsomeday ill get better besides when i pray its out of love not fear, that is one reason. secondly i am human and i have my vices like everyone so i dont judge others too. besides i love praying namaz, its an old love of mine. though i do all that I do , i still pray cause i love it perhaps

environment isnt the only factor but yeah it does effect ya

me with my **** friends, aint a guy i'd want my parents to know about.

with my pakistani friends is fine

It's the same with me mate. Unfortunately I have just one Pakistani friend. He is my best-friend but he's the only one. ANd especially nowadays, he's at uni and I'm working so we hardly see each other.

Well he ain't totally innocent either but compared to the others he would be more tolerable to my parents. Actually, maybe not.

I think it'd be best if my parents don't have a clue about my social life which is how it is at the moment

amazing hitman, i am the **** yet it could be said i live like a muslim! i cant even stand in off licence without feeling sick! alcohol is poison.

I wish I felt that way

[Schiller]

"Freud? Sorry for being ignorant, but I have no naffin' idea what you are talking about"

Well quite a few things but the one criticsed most is the following theory which i will put very bluntly and might be a little inaccurate but it gets to the pt regardless.

"Everything is about humpty dumpty" ;-)

[sajjad]

hahaha.. know what ya mean hitman

but knowing what i know now.
parents usually have a good idea what ur all about

theyr ur parents after all

[Schiller]

opium is a vice that I will prefer over alcohol though and women over opium
so whatever comes first ;-)

"Freud? Sorry for being ignorant, but I have no naffin' idea what you are talking about"

Well quite a few things but the one criticsed most is the following theory which i will put very bluntly and might be a little inaccurate but it gets to the pt regardless.

"Everything is about humpty dumpty" ;-)

I disagree with that. I think emotions are very important

[Abdul Qadir 236]

should it not be me who has the problem?
where do u stand Mona-ji?

[Schiller]

the idea hitman is that those emotions are also rooted in humpty dumpty
if youre not sexually attracted (talking about man-woman, entra excepted) emotions dont matter

[sajjad]

opium....nooooo!

good ol weed is fine

what do u mean gary?

[Schiller]

mona environment makes you in many ways what you are. so disagreement there

[razzler]

:oD Umar for the Entra part.

hahaha.. know what ya mean hitman

but knowing what i know now.
parents usually have a good idea what ur all about

theyr ur parents after all

I should think not. My dad is almost a Islamic Fundamentalist. He'd boot me the second he found out about a bit about my social life

[sajjad]

maybe he know and feels better to ignore rather than accept.

im no one to know but time n experience teach ya what ya know not

[Schiller]

you have to learn to raise your parents properly i find ;-)

the idea hitman is that those emotions are also rooted in humpty dumpty
if youre not sexually attracted (talking about man-woman, entra excepted) emotions dont matter

Well that is true but... (I'm out of words)

[Schiller]

ha ha :-D
if you wanted a purely emotional and mental connection you have your own gender and freind there (freud might argue there too ha)

[Abdul Qadir 236]

should the **** not be more tempted by alcohol and haram things than the desi?

you have to learn to raise your parents properly i find ;-)

:oD

[razzler]

you have to learn to raise your parents properly i find ;-)

:oD

I honestly believe that eventually I'll have to move out to stay away from my family.

Actually, more likely my dad will force me out. He a crazy guy

[Schiller]

despite everything we shouldnt use such words for our parents yar, theyre of a different generation and different mindsets

but moving out is something I advise myself

[razzler]

Umar it seems like you love Kramer. He is my favourite from Seinfield too.

I love all the dopey characters in Sitcoms, like:

Joey (Friends)
Dear old Trig (OFAH)
Nick (My Family)

[Schiller]

dont make me hate him please :oD

:oD

[Schiller]

hitman you should see Contest from seinfeld
that was the definitive episode on humor :oD

[Schiller]

and trig is trig :oD waht a hoot too

please razzler dont like him, i beg ya really

[razzler]

Umar do wanna tell us something that you have been hiding all this long?

[Schiller]

what do you think I am hiding? ask and ill reply

The new series 'Joey' is starting here in the UK on Sunday

[Schiller]

oh hitman reminds me
did you see closer boysie?

[Schiller]

how many of you are day dreamers here?

[razzler]

I wrote:

Umar it seems like you love Kramer. He is my favourite from Seinfield too.

Schiller wrote:

dont make me hate him please:oD

Schiller wrote:

please razzler dont like him, i beg ya really

Does this give you a hint Umar? :-D

[Schiller]

it does but only you could look into it like that ;-)

oh hitman reminds me
did you see closer boysie?

Unfortunately not. :o^ Couldn't organise it.

I did see Ocean's Twelve. OK movie.

I also saw The Aviator. SUPERB!

[razzler]

Day dreamer a bit why?

[Schiller]

you couldnt see it ? oh well

it was worth it, girls would have hated it though
ha

Define 'daydreaming' Umar

[Schiller]

hmm

imagining a differeent life or about someone with different circumstances in waking hrs?

Not really though I do A LOT of thinking for a guy my age

[Schiller]

hmm thinking about career and religion and getting women i presume ? ;-)

My future, how my life could be different but most of all WOMEN. Damn them.

Umar, I want to setup a poll on the cricket forum

[Schiller]

what poll would that be ? the thing wiht poll is let us know and well set it up by sunday
so let mek now and ill try to suggest it along the lines ;-)

women, i tell ya. you really feel like damning them and then you see one walk past you and you damn yourself for damning them :oD

I know. Whoever said 'Can't live with them, can't live without them' was one clever *******.

ABout the poll:

Q: Which player deserves the title 'The Rock' for solid defensive batting?

Options:

J Kallis
R Dravid
A Strauss
J Langer
D Martyn
Other

[Schiller]

Good one, ill suggest so

the thing is women want us as much
we admit it they dont

"the thing is women want us as much
we admit it they dont"

I know. Damn them. Life would be SO much easier if they too admitted to it.

Umar, tell me some some signs that a girl likes you.

P.S: I must recieve cresit for the poll :-D

[Schiller]

I know. Damn them. Life would be SO much easier if they too admitted to it.

Umar, tell me some some signs that a girl likes you.


If they did they would lose their hold over us you see :?d

as for the signs, yar
generally

1. if you look/stare she would make eye contact or smile back (not always sure shot but worth a try)
2. She would not try to move away when you start up a discussion with her
3. further down the rd would call you on her own accord and ask to do things and such

depends on how far along the lines youa re

p.s if it does become poll you wil get credit :-D

What do you mean 'IF'? :-D

I'm not down the road yet. I have put this year down as an educational guide for next year i.e my first year at uni ;-)

About my 'friend'. All those signs are positive but I'm still not sure. Maybe I'm not confident enough or I'm thinking that there is too much to lose if I make a move and it turns out I was wrong.

Well we're becoming closer friends by the week. Last week I helped her when she had an arguement with one of her friends. She does also call me at her owen accord.

Another thing is that I am only nearly 18 and she's 21. It's always at the back of my mind that maybe that makes a difference

:o^

[Geordie Ahmed]

how many of you are day dreamers here?

I am, i think everyone indulges in a bit of day dreaming, some more than others BUT i think its a good escape for ppl. can make them happy for a moment or so!


Regarding religion, im really in the middle! Religion defines a lot of my life and what i do, say i wouldnt touch,sell or have anything to do with Alcohol,Drugs etc etc. I wont rip anyone off ( i have a guilty concious |-F )
BUT i do listen to music, watch films etc etc!

most of the ppl i used to hang out with when i was say 14/15 smoke, do drugs, think the idea of fun is driving around in their cars and blasting music etc etc BUT i fortunately avoided all that.
my main affiliation with religion started when i went on jamaat when i was 16, i enjoyed it, i went a few more times and i found it useful BUT lately i have been put off them, its probably more to do with the individuals than say the concept of tabligh! they visited me the other day and i didnt invite them in, so i spoke to them from the doorstep, hoping cos it was cold that they wont talk as long (i was a tad ashamed of that later like though i was quite impressed with how effective it was :-D :-D :-D )

[catwoman]

mona environment makes you in many ways what you are. so disagreement there

Family usually has the biggest impact on a person. If you are born into a religious family, chances are, you will be religious too. Country, in my opinion, doesn't make you what you are, atleast in my case. I am not religious because my family isn't. It was nothing to do with Canada, which is actually one of the world's most culturally diverse countries and no one is stopping you from practicing your culture/religion. If I lived in Pakistan, I would have been just the way I am right now because I don't conform at all and my thoughts, ideas, beliefs towards life are determined by who I am, not where I am from. :-)

[Geordie Ahmed]

Mona im with Umar on this, i dont believe for a moment you would be like you are say if you were raised elsewhere! i do believe the environment has an impact!

[catwoman]

Mona im with Umar on this, i dont believe for a moment you would be like you are say if you were raised elsewhere! i do believe the environment has an impact!

Actually, I have lived in Saudi Arabia too for a few years and that change me one bit. :-D

[varsha]

Regarding religion i think people in england are more religious than people in india (talking about hindus). My friends go to the temple every week and blah but in india my cousins don't even believe in god. I don't see how that works, maybe parents don't want children to forget their religion/culture.

Going back, I'm in the middle - I'm not religious in the sense i don't pray everyday but i believe in god.

I really want to see Ocean's 12!!

[Officer Barbrady]

Some interesting comments... keep them coming.

Varsha: O 12 is good but don't have very high hopes.

The poll is a good one. Why don't you guys set a poll on the site rather than the forum?

[varsha]

Is it better than ocean's 11? Any movie with brad pitt and george clooney in it, i will love it! :-D

[Officer Barbrady]

hmm No.

11 was better as originals usually are. The acting is good and if you are willing to overlook some issues with the story it should be fun.

[MIG]

Oceans 12 caused by dentures to fall out in the first 20 minutes - its one of the most boring movies around - do not watch the late show as I did !

[Officer Barbrady]

Mig, did you like Ocean's 11 ?

[Schiller]

mona,

firstly you were too young then and secondly environment includes the parental element.
and so you cannot discount it at all. in many ways we are a product of our environment, one way or another.
the non religious environment adds to you not following in its own way

interesting pt by V there and that usually occurs at times cause the parents think that they have to keep a tighter control on the kids so they dont become more westernised and keep their original roots intact

[Schiller]

also in many cases the family is not religious but the outside environment sort of propagates you towards religion. ofcourse its a double egded sword

[Schiller]

"About my 'friend'. All those signs are positive but I'm still not sure. Maybe I'm not confident enough or I'm thinking that there is too much to lose if I make a move and it turns out I was wrong. "

Generally you can tell when you get those vibes, by the looks of it, i would say you have a chance in hell for sure
but move lightly go for a date without the tag of a date, imply it ;-)

"Another thing is that I am only nearly 18 and she's 21. It's always at the back of my mind that maybe that makes a difference "

Hell no, if anything that should help ;-)

[Abdul Qadir 236]

I am very much with Mona on this one. My family protect me quite a lot and I have the discipline to keep away from women and drugs. They are the main thing in my life, far more than my friends.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Gary your an exception (or should i say freak :-D :-D )

the Parents do have an impact but so does the environment! i think it is a bit of everything and its different for different ppl!
i know ppl who's parents are religious but the kids are anything but and vice versa

[Schiller]

but to discount environment is ofcourse not kosher

[Geordie Ahmed]

you cannot discount anything! i think its like a hit film, you need a bit of everything (good actors, storyline, a bit of humour, a good ending etc etc )

[Schiller]

exactly
i mean surely a person's individualtiy is there but a lot of factrs come into play

and ga ever had a gf?

[Riya]

che che umar the topic going on fine about religion and culture and u had to bring in GF's

[Geordie Ahmed]

exactly
i mean surely a person's individualtiy is there but a lot of factrs come into play

and ga ever had a gf?

astagrarallah :-^ :-^ :-^ :-^

on a serious note, nope!

[Sage]

Yeah GFs are a waste of time
FwB is the way to go

The environment has the most impact on how you'll turn out. So Mona, I know your very set in your ways, but there's no way you would've turned out the same if you lived in Pakistan.

Then again, most people I know in Pakistan are more f'ed up than I am. Its more of a rebellion against their hypocrite parents.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Sage that last line is so true!

[varsha]

Environment does have a huge impact. E.g. my friends are all religious and they make me feel bad that i'm not all that religious :-D

[Schiller]

In a way its fair to say that we cannot rid ourself of the shackles of environment.

A lot of people rebel against it and a lot join it.

that last line of sage is quite accurate.
like hitman said earlier, a lot of people are turned off from religion because of the use of force and hypocricsy of the religious ones

[Sage]

Well I had friends of all religions.

Lot of Catholics and Muslims, a good deal of Protestant, Hindus, two Orthodox and some others.

A good deal of Shias as well, mostly girls. They're usually more liberal than the Sunnis over here, so it was easier hanging out with Shia girls when I was young.

[Schiller]

whats FwB?

[Sage]

Friends with Benefits

[Schiller]

"Well I had friends of all religions.

Lot of Catholics and Muslims, a good deal of Protestant, Hindus, two Orthodox and some others. "

That would be the case over here for me, in pak it was mostly shia or sunnis.

"A good deal of Shias as well, mostly girls. They're usually more liberal than the Sunnis over here, so it was easier hanging out with Shia girls when I was young"

All my gfs were shias for some reason but theres quite a bit of truth to it, the shia girls tend to be a little more liberal even in karachi

[Schiller]

ah friends with benefits, agree there for sure. rids the hassle and the energy and waste of it all.

[Sage]

But its almost impossible trying to eliminate jealousy even with a FwB "relationship"

There is always some attachment from the woman's side.

[Schiller]

im thinking of suggesting a purely nocturnal relationship, the idea being while there is light theres no contact
not sure how it would be received.

[Schiller]

GA never a girlfriend but never liked anyone either?

[Geordie Ahmed]

GA never a girlfriend but never liked anyone either?

like i said i was a prominent member of the Tabligh Jammat during the years when one would have you know . . .
im one of those who has liked a lot of ppl, one week its x, next week its y but i always forget about it and move on!

[Schiller]

ah the true tos.ser :oD

[Geordie Ahmed]

indeed i am :oD :oD

maybe things would have been different if say i was brought up differently or in a different area but alas

[Schiller]

no i think if we cut down your daily chore so to speak, wed get a better GA :oD

[Geordie Ahmed]

no i think if we cut down your daily chore so to speak, wed get a better GA :oD

what you see is the best of me, its all downhill from here so i think its best i dont cut down on anything :-D :-D :-D

[Schiller]

How we protect our freudian manifestations :oD

[Geordie Ahmed]

the extreme measue and non advisable one would be to do what the welsh rugby fan did for a bet |-n |-n |-n