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29th January 2005, 17:55
Author: Amjid javed
Date: 29-01-05 13:42

Salman
Yasir
Malik
Inzi
Youhana
Younis (keeper)
Razzaq
Afridi
Rana
Rao
Khalil

info provided by are secret agent in Aus

pakistans once agen pick a new opening pair....! team managent seriously taking ****** now with these constant changes!

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64.1 Warne to Salman Butt, FOUR, swung out to square leg where a diving mcgrath can't get to the catch and the ball goes through him for salmans 100


Post Edited (29-01-05 13:43)








Re: Yet another opening pair
Author: Haroon Younis
Date: 29-01-05 13:43

well u didnt want akmal to open anyway, Amjid

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Re: Yet another opening pair
Author: Shaf
Date: 29-01-05 13:44

***...younis keeping?

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Re: Yet another opening pair
Author: Mercenary
Date: 29-01-05 13:44

if they do what you want then you aint happy and if they dont do what you want then you really aint happy!

no pleasing you is there?

i dont agree with a p/t keeper tho

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Amjid javed
Date: 29-01-05 13:44

yeah but whats point giveing him 2/3 games then dropping him!

bobs a retard and shud stop playinga round with team! its beyond a joke now!

16 different opening pairs in 24 games is a joke

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Amjid javed
Date: 29-01-05 13:46

Merc, so do u thing choping and changing openers agen 16th time in 24 games is good....!

oh bob i love... am ur biggest fan my names merc.. u can do no wrong!



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64.1 Warne to Salman Butt, FOUR, swung out to square leg where a diving mcgrath can't get to the catch and the ball goes through him for salmans 100









Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Zohaib
Date: 29-01-05 13:49

Yes, it's good. Infact we should have a different openeing pair every match!! It's good for team spirit.

Anyhow, that looks a pretty balanced squad. I like it. If only shabbir, sami or akhtar were playing...

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Awesome Anjum
Date: 29-01-05 13:49

It is unfair to blame Bob for everything.

Its up to the players if they perform.

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Shaf
Date: 29-01-05 13:49

ok Amjid calm down now

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Mercenary
Date: 29-01-05 13:50

i think its a stupid move because i wanted them to play akmal as an opener in every match in the VB to complete the experiment so its ok for me to say its stupid

but you have been complaining about akmal opening every day so it doesnt make any sense for you to complain about them stopping him from opening!

you cant have it both ways every time!

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Shaf
Date: 29-01-05 13:51

I dont get it either..ppl cry for changes, when changes are made...they still moan

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: tahaiqureshi
Date: 29-01-05 13:53

i think this is the smartest thing the team has come up with since the VB series started...

the team should've looked like this since the first match










Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Amjid javed
Date: 29-01-05 13:56

Merc, yes i didnt want akmal to open however i was willing to see if he was given a fair go....!

Bob and inzi change line up agen and how the hell does the team settle?

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64.1 Warne to Salman Butt, FOUR, swung out to square leg where a diving mcgrath can't get to the catch and the ball goes through him for salmans 100









Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: MenInGreen
Date: 29-01-05 13:59

I am Madame X, I can see the future - I now forecast approx 300 posts on the same issue we talk about in every match/every day......Pls wake me up when done ?

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: ugem12
Date: 29-01-05 14:04

Amjid what the h*** you want from team. Can you clear all the posters, try to check your posts, you always voiced against akmal as opener and yasir to be in team. Now if they are there, you have different opinions. Kindly before asking team management to be consistent, try to be half consistent in your thoughts and opinions.

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: tahaiqureshi
Date: 29-01-05 14:04

this was touted as a very promising opening pair..when yasir and butt walked out into the field against srilanka in the paktel cup










Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Raz
Date: 29-01-05 14:07

I dont agree with Younis as the keeper.

Ive always wanted Yasir to be opening with Salman. Kamran, despite the century never has looked 100% comfortable to me and one of the commentators mentioned it in the last match that he is often late on the ball. That wont matter much against medium pacers, but when ure facing the likes of Brett Lee, you will be exposed.

Generally i agree with the team. Not sure about Khalil for Azhar though.



Whos bright idea was it to send him in to open?!. Ricardo is not an opener!!! He is a lower order batsman! Wake up Bennet King!!!!








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Waseem
Date: 29-01-05 14:08

It's a great decision to drop Azhar and include Khalil instead........WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Younis Khan's inclusion instead of Akmal is a gamble and i m not sure if it's a good decision BUT it may turn out to be a good one. Hafeez has been dropped as well, so what are we crying for now?????
Amjid you wnated Azhar and Hafeez to be dropped and they are dropped. Now one thing you don't agree with is Younis Khan as a keeper and you think Bob is a retard........give him a break yaar.

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 14:09

Yes Younis Khan should play as a keeper because Pakistan dont have any bowlers that need a good keeper.


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Raz
Date: 29-01-05 14:12

I was only worried about Khalil cos he got tonked for runs in that PM XI game. I just hope the same doesnt happen again.



Whos bright idea was it to send him in to open?!. Ricardo is not an opener!!! He is a lower order batsman! Wake up Bennet King!!!!








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: tahaiqureshi
Date: 29-01-05 14:13

well i think younis's inclusion as keeper may just give us a reason to put him into the ODI squad..and give us a good batting keeper

but this all depends on his performance tomorrow

btw may i ask the source of this team?










Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 14:16

I think Inzi should keep. Best batsman in Pakistan.


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Amjid javed
Date: 29-01-05 14:18

People are missing the point... yes i wanted hameed inside and azhar and hafeez dropped!

but why has akmal been made a scapegoat for...?

just coz inzis a gutless coward and yoyo is aswell and they dont wana bat up order ... akmal was always gona be a sacrifical lamb at top of order!

poor stuff...just coz i didnt back player doesnt mean he deserves this c r a p treatment!

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: MenInGreen
Date: 29-01-05 14:48

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Karachi King
Date: 29-01-05 14:50

one more thing. since Butt has not bowled that often as a part-timer, who is a 6th bowler.

as far as i am concern, i didn't wanted Akmal to open but i didn't wanted him to be droped either. he could have played in the late middle order. i am not sure YK will do the job successfully.

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part team keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 14:51

You have heard this before lads.
For a country that has produced great keepers like Bari and Latif, the fact that the next in line Akmal is demoted in favour of Younis Khan is an utter disgrace.


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Hash
Date: 29-01-05 14:59

amjid the other day you were posting your team and you had Salman and Yasir opening. You are always criticisiing selection issues so lets, once and for all find out what you really think.

Tell us please:

1. Your team for tonight
2. your first choice team with no injuries

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Taz1
Date: 29-01-05 15:24

How about (given the limited resources available to us):

Salman
Malik - he effectively opens anyway since we are always 1 down quickly
Youhana
Inzi
Younis
Akmal(keeper)
Razzaq
Afridi
Rana
Rao
Khalil / Azhar

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 15:26

Just looking at the 99/00 VB series. How good was Razzaq? he is not a quarter of that player these days.


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: karchie
Date: 29-01-05 15:28

well they might as well try different combinations - because with rana leading the bowling attack we have lost anyway.


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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: tahaiqureshi
Date: 29-01-05 15:34

if we lose i won't be disappointed..

primary reason is that 6 of our top bowlers at the moment cannot bowl..

but the batting line up must definitely put up a fight..especially when batting first










Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: w4s1m786
Date: 29-01-05 15:37

: Amjid javed
Date: 29-01-05 09:27

my team would be

butt
hameed
malik
inzi
yoyo
razzaq
afridi
akmal
azhar
khalil
rao

rana shud be dropped for rubbish he bowled last game...! no way shud akmal open in perth! Underlined Text

amjid yaar awhile ago u said akmal shouldnt open know you are making a big deal that akmal is not gonna open yaar make ur mind up








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amjid javed
Date: 29-01-05 15:38

Author: Hash
Date: 29-01-05 14:59

amjid the other day you were posting your team and you had Salman and Yasir opening. You are always criticisiing selection issues so lets, once and for all find out what you really think.

Tell us please:

1. Your team for tonight
2. your first choice team with no injuries



1) butt, hameed, malik, inzi, yoyo, razzaq, afridi, akmal, rao, khalil, rana(only coz azhar is injured)

2) butt, hameed, malik, inzi, yoyo, razzaq,afridi, shabbir, sami, s nazir

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64.1 Warne to Salman Butt, FOUR, swung out to square leg where a diving mcgrath can't get to the catch and the ball goes through him for salmans 100









Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 15:40

The Razzaq of old would walk into the team. He is not the same player. Afridi has never been good enough to hold down a place.


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Naveed
Date: 29-01-05 16:09

I don't see the big deal of replacing Akmal for this one match that really doesn't mean much. He has played a lot of cricket over the past few weeks and with Pakistan playing 3 ODIs in 5 days deserves a rest. Australia does this with Gilchrist so why are you guys getting so sensitive!

I would have even like to see Taufeeq in instead of Salman because Salman is looking very tired.

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 16:11

Australia used to do this with Jimmy Maher, yes. However is Akmal being dropped for that reason? Why cant he bat down the list?


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Waseem
Date: 29-01-05 16:23

At least i am happy that Hameed and Khalil have been included. It's not that i am big fan of any of them BUT i am sure they are at least better than part timers like Azhar and Hafeez.


Good decision by selectors ( If it is true what Amjid is saying).

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 16:30

BREAKING NEWS

TAUFEEQ GIVES UP BATTING TO BECOME KEEPER AND SIGNS FOR PIA.

"This is my best chance to play for Pakistan. I have not performed ever when given a chance and my long talk with Bob and Bari has persuaded me to come to this decision"


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Naveed
Date: 29-01-05 16:35

AMit, guess that you are trying to be sarcastic. What is your opinion of Dravid being India's ODI wicketkeeper?

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 16:39

He is better than KKDK, PP and Dhonut. Nayan has retired. so i would keep with Dravid. He is as good as any keeper I feel. At least he has kept at the intl level and done ok. India dont have an Akmal to call on.
However, they really should be playing a keeper at 7. They should try Naman Ojha. I may seem to be contradicting myself here but the above 3 are those in contention.


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 16:42

A top quality keeper who can bat handily at the end is a very potent weapon in odi cricket. They can turn a game on its head. Akmal is exactly this.


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amjid javed
Date: 29-01-05 16:49

dravid is a rubbish ODI keeper

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64.1 Warne to Salman Butt, FOUR, swung out to square leg where a diving mcgrath can't get to the catch and the ball goes through him for salmans 100









Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 17:01

I seem to remember him taking a blinder in the WC v Pak.


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Mercenary
Date: 29-01-05 17:33

i guess im not the only one getting tired of amjid criticising for the sake of criticising!

i dont mind criticism as long as its constructive and its consistent.

What amjid does is he criticises just because he can.

For eg he criticsed Rana by saying he was no good without a new ball and then a short while later he said Rana is no good with a new ball. Where's the consistency?

He criticised Afridi in the Sydney test by saying Afridi was unable to bowl out the tail but Afridi didnt even bowl a single ball to the tail. How is it constructive to criticise something that didnt happen?

He's been screaming about Akmal as opener being a bad decision, in fact this morning he said Akmal should never open at Perth. As soon as he thinks Akmal isnt opening at Perth he starts criticising it! I'll bet even if Akmal DOES open at Perth he will make another thread criticising that!!

Its just OTT and very annoying, a bit like a hyper-active toddler!!








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 17:36

Rana is no good. period!


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amjid javed
Date: 29-01-05 17:37

oh put a sock it in whiner....! weh weh my names merc... ive got nothing better 2 do than nit pick!

when i said akmal shudnt open at perth it didnt mean drop him....!

understand! quit pestering and get lost....!

stick to cricket talk and quit bugging me!

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64.1 Warne to Salman Butt, FOUR, swung out to square leg where a diving mcgrath can't get to the catch and the ball goes through him for salmans 100









Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Mercenary
Date: 29-01-05 17:40

initially u never said u had a problem with kmaran being dropped you complained that there was a different opening pair!!


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Author: Amjid javed
Date: 29-01-05 13:42

pakistans once agen pick a new opening pair....! team managent seriously taking ****** now with these constant changes!


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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amjid javed
Date: 29-01-05 17:49

am anoyed coz akmal was made scape goat....!

its also hiliraious how haffez failed twice wasnted dropped... then scored runs and was dropped!

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64.1 Warne to Salman Butt, FOUR, swung out to square leg where a diving mcgrath can't get to the catch and the ball goes through him for salmans 100









Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Mercenary
Date: 29-01-05 17:51

yeah i found that quite funny too but then again Pak do have a habit of chickening out at the last minute and changing the team again! So who knows it may be the same team as the last game again!

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: suhaib
Date: 29-01-05 17:52

team is fake, i just heard on tv no chnage, same team as last match.

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: sheikhji
Date: 29-01-05 18:40

its do or die situation for pak...and teh management is taking a risk....
it makes sense....we have to find a way to beat teh aussies.....
lets hope if works...

btw...how reliabel is this info on the team selection??

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Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Amit Mishra bowls a wrongun
Date: 29-01-05 18:45

Noddy posted it.


"Great spinners of the past would plan dismissals. These days, they just bowl line and length and are getting wickets because batsmen dont have proper technique"

Abdul Qadir








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Hash
Date: 29-01-05 18:46

it came from Noddy bhai who is in Australia with the Pakistan team....therefore I would say fairly reliable.

By the way, this is not a do or die situation for Pakistan. If we lose, we can still get to the final if we beat the Windies. Even if we win, we will get knocked out if we lose to the Windies.

The game against the Windies on Tuesday is effectively a semi final!

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Yuvraj Singh to Yousuf Youhana, one run, all over! quicker delivery
on the middle and off, steered down to third man, Pakistan win by
3 wickets! what a game



the words of Hashim Ahmed








Re: team announced - Yet another opening pair and part time keeper
Author: Mercenary
Date: 29-01-05 18:48

unless its rained out and then we will need to have won this match!!

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Officer Barbrady
29th January 2005, 18:30
Well most people wanted Azhar and Hafeez out (including Amjid) so now they are out and we should be satisfied!

Amjid Javed
29th January 2005, 18:34
yeah, but i didnt want akmal made a scape goat. marooned do you want a part team keeper @ perth?

Officer Barbrady
29th January 2005, 18:41
Let them take a risk. Now you can't criticize on one player in the 11. This is as close to your ideal 11 as it can get.

What other practice game were you talking about? There is another one? Otherwise Shahid Nazir, Najaf etc missing is a concern.

Amjid Javed
29th January 2005, 18:56
i wouldnt have dropped akmal. there are 2 warm up games. One is rest of pakistan v someone.

il find the thread.

Officer Barbrady
29th January 2005, 19:00
Ok hopefully they ll make it to that.

Zeeshan
29th January 2005, 19:13
akmal is such a good keeper! why the hell did they drop him!

161
29th January 2005, 23:43
A welcome change.

Taking Hafeez and Azzhar out were obvious decisions.
Putting in a specialist batsmen and specialist bowler in there place was the next step.

The bowler was an easy pick--> Khalil (no other bowlers)
The batsmen was more difficult---> most would agree that Younis needed to be in the line up as the specialist batsman ahead of a struggling hameed.

The interesting Point is taking Akmal out --> and essentially replacing his bat with that of hameed with younis taking over the keeping.

So the question is will hameeds batting be equivilant or better that the loss of Akmals batting and the replacement of his keeping with that of younis khan?

I think the answer to this is no as Hameed has been in horrible form as of late. If he makes 40 + runs i would say its worth it but i dont think it will happen.

If hameed makes 0-20 runs thats not much differant then what Akmal would have done + we loose akmal as keeper.

I think in the future if Hameed or some other opener is in form Akmal should not play in ODI's. But in the current state Akmal is the man.

29th January 2005, 23:47
I think it's good changes except dropping a wickie. When Australian batsmen edge the ball it MUST be caught

Abdul Qadir 236
5th November 2006, 01:06
I think at sometime before World Cup a part time keeper should get at least one game because he may be called upon in an emergency. India always know they can call upon Dravid if anything happens to Dhoni. As well it would be preferable for a second choice keeper such as Zulqarnain to get a couple of games. Yet time is limited - it seems Pakistan have had four years but still even four months before the tournament there are a lot of things to be sorted.

kablooee87
5th November 2006, 01:20
funny how little has changed since this. Or at least it seems that way. So much happened in between but in the end...here we are.

zMario
5th November 2006, 01:22
Couldnt u make a new thread instead?

Abdul Qadir 236
5th November 2006, 01:30
couldnt you just answer the point instead of just posting for the sake of it.

interesting sarfaraz ahmed chosen for warm up game ahead of zoni!! maybe selectors want to boost u19 talent. amin ur rehman has also played tour games - sounds like bari hasnt a clue about keepers - which is pretty dire considering his illustrious career.

zMario
5th November 2006, 02:35
Well, this from like 2 yrs ago, so it would be time for a new thread

Anyway, part time keepers are a big no no.

Keep training Sarfaraz or Zoni (whoevers better) in A team matches, and stuff like that, and against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe