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s28
16th April 2017, 03:32
http://www.countdown2040.com/ShowNews/388/PRC:-Balfour-apology-petition-garners-over-11,000-signatures/

PRC: Balfour apology petition garners over 11,000 signatures

A petition urging the British government to apologize for the tragic fallouts of the Balfour Declaration received over 11,000 signatures, the Palestinian Return Center (PRC) reported.

According to the London-based PRC, the UK government is duty-bound to respond to the campaign in three days as any petition signed by more than 10,000 people will have a government response released alongside it.
PRC’s Executive Director, Tareq Hammoud, said the move is a sign of the increasing popularity garnered by the Balfour Apology Campaign.
“The fact that the petition reached a 10,000-signature threshold heralds a significant shift in public opinion vis-à-vis the Palestinian cause over the past decade,” said Hammoud.

Efforts have, meanwhile, been in full swing to reach a 100,000-signature threshold in an attempt to make the petition eligible for a House of Commons debate.

The petition makes part of PRC’s underway endeavors to urge the British government to make an apology over the Balfour pledge and to backtrack on its intent to mark the centenary of the declaration.

The Balfour Declaration was a letter dated November 2, 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community. The text of the letter gave, one hundred years ago, green light for the establishment, in Palestine, of a national home for the Jewish people.

s28
16th April 2017, 03:34
This is the link to the petition on the Government website

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/184398

Junaids
16th April 2017, 11:21
Why should we apologise for this?

1918 was when Woodrow Wilson introduced the concept of nation states, but even then they tended to be multi-national, such as the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later Yugoslavia) and Czecho-Slovakia (as it was initially known).

Similarly countries like Hungary and Romania were multi-ethnic.

I have precisely zero guilt or remorse for allowing the Jewish people to return to their ancestral lands.

And it's not my fault that the Israelis and Arabs couldn't live peacefully after we left, just as the Indians and Pakistanis responded to Independence with mass murder against one another.

We didn't break it while we had it. Either India or Palestine. In fact, we did quite a good job of stopping them from butchering one another. We shouldn't get the blame for them being unable to live as civilised neighbours. Take it up with them, not us.

Not our problem.

Junaids
16th April 2017, 12:41
Anyway, doesn't this petition miss the point?

At Camp David in 2000, Bill Clinton says that Yasir Arafat turned down Ehud Barak's offer of 87% of the West Bank plus Gaza plus East Jerusalem including Temple Mount.

All of us who follow politics knew that the Palestinians would never get a better offer. They are now being offered zero plus zero plus zero.

Arafat increased his own support that day. But he cost his people their nationhood.

Instead of blaming a League of Nations mandatory power which left 69 years ago, maybe the Arabs and the Israelis need to take responsibility themselves.

Robert
16th April 2017, 13:51
Take it up with them, not us.



Yep. Anyway, how can we apologise for the decisions of men who are long in their graves?

tomato
16th April 2017, 15:37
What difference any apology makes after 100 years? Even in India we have some idiots expect such apologies for centuries old atrocities.

KingKhanWC
16th April 2017, 23:46
Why should we apologise for this?

1918 was when Woodrow Wilson introduced the concept of nation states, but even then they tended to be multi-national, such as the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later Yugoslavia) and Czecho-Slovakia (as it was initially known).

Similarly countries like Hungary and Romania were multi-ethnic.

I have precisely zero guilt or remorse for allowing the Jewish people to return to their ancestral lands.

And it's not my fault that the Israelis and Arabs couldn't live peacefully after we left, just as the Indians and Pakistanis responded to Independence with mass murder against one another.

We didn't break it while we had it. Either India or Palestine. In fact, we did quite a good job of stopping them from butchering one another. We shouldn't get the blame for them being unable to live as civilised neighbours. Take it up with them, not us.

Not our problem.

You seem to be confused here. You say 'I' and then 'We'. Are you in the British government? If not then the petition isn't asking YOU to apologise.

Considering how the British government openly supports an apartheid state, one which they helped to create, this is a reasonable enough request.

Gabbar Singh
17th April 2017, 00:07
The borders of Israel as engineered by the Brits and other UN members back in the 1940s were reasonably fair to all. However it was the subsequent attacks by the Arab states (and latterly the blatant illegal land grabbing by the Israelis) which left the Palestinians in the state they are today.

Attacking Israel in '48 and then again in the 1960s played right into their hands.

Palestinians should seek an apology and compensation from Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and all the others involved in the Arab–Israeli Wars before they ask for anything from Britain. These nations led the Palestinians up the creek without a paddle and then abandoned them.

KingKhanWC
17th April 2017, 00:18
The borders of Israel as engineered by the Brits and other UN members back in the 1940s were reasonably fair to all. However it was the subsequent attacks by the Arab states (and latterly the blatant illegal land grabbing by the Israelis) which left the Palestinians in the state they are today.

Attacking Israel in '48 and then again in the 1960s played right into their hands.

Palestinians should seek an apology and compensation from Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and all the others involved in the Arab–Israeli Wars before they ask for anything from Britain. These nations led the Palestinians up the creek without a paddle and then abandoned them.

If tomorrow Jews claim Punjab is their land because their holy books says so, I assume it would be reasonable for a third party to carve out borders from India and if those caused your house to be demolished, it would be reasonable to you too?

s28
17th April 2017, 02:29
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Adil_94
17th April 2017, 03:46
I think if u give Palestinians the original U.N partition plan now they would bite your hand off. But even that itself was not fair considering Arabs were around 66% of the Palestinian population in 1947 yet were only allocated 45% of land. Even after PLO agreed to pre 67 borders i.e it recognised Israels right to 78% of mandatory Palestine
Israel still.hasnt budged and it now is increasing settlements increasingly under Likud.

Israel is moving to a stage where one state is the only solution. So either Israel can be a Jewish State or Democracy and if Israel absorbs the West Bank withour extending the voting franchise then it will become an actual apartheid state.

The British govt apologising now wont mean anything it wont bring back Palestinian refugees or solve the conflict. It will be a hollow apology.

Adil_94
17th April 2017, 03:50
Gabbar Singh yeah when Egypt and Jordan had Gaza and the West Bank they didnt try to achieve any Palestinian state they thought that they would defeat Israel and then the refugees would come back in an Arab controlled Palestine.

The way Palestinian refugees are kept in Syria and Lebanon is shameful.

And in hindsight the invasion of 48 looks like their biggest mistake though u can understand why it happened.

Mamoon
17th April 2017, 03:57
Eventually the Arab nationalism fell on his swords thanks to the recklessness of Nasser, but more than the Balfour Declaration & the Sykes-Picot Agreement, it was the Husayn-McMahon correspondence & the subsequent backtracking that exposed the intentions of the British. However, it was futile to deny that the demise of the Arab world & the death of Arab nationalism was largely down to their own undoing.

Adil_94
17th April 2017, 04:03
Mamoon The British handling of Palestine was pathetic to say the least so many contradictions and different promises to different communities.

Nasser promises of obliterating Israel all fell flat and it died after the 6 Day War. And Islamist politics started to get more popular but the Islamists have also failed to do anything regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict.

if the Arabs played it smarter then there could be an Arab state in Palestine. But Israel is diminishing any chance of a two state solution with its actions.

Junaids
17th April 2017, 07:03
If tomorrow Jews claim Punjab is their land because their holy books says so, I assume it would be reasonable for a third party to carve out borders from India and if those caused your house to be demolished, it would be reasonable to you too?

I can't believe you wrote that on Passover.

I get that PakPassion is an unlikely site for Jewish people to visit, but still.....

Gabbar Singh
17th April 2017, 19:36
If tomorrow Jews claim Punjab is their land because their holy books says so, I assume it would be reasonable for a third party to carve out borders from India and if those caused your house to be demolished, it would be reasonable to you too?

The situation was what it was - by the late 40s hundreds of thousands of Jews were already living in Palestine so what should have happened to them?

What happened post 1948 wasn't and isn't fair on the Palestinians however even President Abbas and the PLO now admit that the Arab rejection of UN partition plan, upon which the original borders of Israel were formed, was a mistake.

Gabbar Singh
17th April 2017, 19:47
I can't believe you wrote that on Passover.

I get that PakPassion is an unlikely site for Jewish people to visit, but still.....

Sorry Junaids but it's this type of faux outrage and melodrama which makes discussing the Israel/Palestine issue so difficult. He's either right or wrong but who cares whether he posts what he does on Passover, Eid, Christmas or Diwali?

troodon
17th April 2017, 20:18
If tomorrow Jews claim Punjab is their land because their holy books says so, I assume it would be reasonable for a third party to carve out borders from India and if those caused your house to be demolished, it would be reasonable to you too?

A Third Party (China) already carved out a big chunk of land from Kashmir. India is not new to this :mv

s28
17th April 2017, 20:37
It shouldn't take Einstein...
73659

KingKhanWC
17th April 2017, 23:57
I can't believe you wrote that on Passover.

I get that PakPassion is an unlikely site for Jewish people to visit, but still.....

I'm not Jewish so why should I refrain from discussing something on a day which has no relevance to me? It's hardly offensive to do so.

KingKhanWC
17th April 2017, 23:59
The situation was what it was - by the late 40s hundreds of thousands of Jews were already living in Palestine so what should have happened to them?

What happened post 1948 wasn't and isn't fair on the Palestinians however even President Abbas and the PLO now admit that the Arab rejection of UN partition plan, upon which the original borders of Israel were formed, was a mistake.

Those thousands you speak off were invited as cousins by the Palestinians for decades before. There was no issue with them living alongside Christians and Muslims in Palestine. The issue is their land being stolen and given away by a third party.

Adil_94
18th April 2017, 00:37
KingKhanWC Palestinians never invited them to come. the Palestinian inhabitants never had any real political sovereignty or control over the land it passed from Ottoman rule to Britain.

Zionist movement started emigrating after WWI in large numbers after they worked out a deal with the British who allowed widescale Jewish immigration to Palestine.

The Palestinian Arabs never were consulted on it. It was only after the Arab Revolt in the 30s which was due to the huge increase in Jewish numbers in Palestine, that Britain limited Jewish migration to Palestine. . From 1918 to 1936 when the Arab revolt started Jewish numbers increased from 60k to 380k.
The British started to limit Jewish immigration to Palestine after 1939 but then u had the Holocaust and after the war the Jewish numbers swelled again .

If it wasnt for the 48 war the Palestinians would still be the majority.

But Israel will never accept right of return for obvious reasons.

KingKhanWC
18th April 2017, 01:14
KingKhanWC Palestinians never invited them to come. the Palestinian inhabitants never had any real political sovereignty or control over the land it passed from Ottoman rule to Britain.

Zionist movement started emigrating after WWI in large numbers after they worked out a deal with the British who allowed widescale Jewish immigration to Palestine.

The Palestinian Arabs never were consulted on it. It was only after the Arab Revolt in the 30s which was due to the huge increase in Jewish numbers in Palestine, that Britain limited Jewish migration to Palestine. . From 1918 to 1936 when the Arab revolt started Jewish numbers increased from 60k to 380k.
The British started to limit Jewish immigration to Palestine after 1939 but then u had the Holocaust and after the war the Jewish numbers swelled again .

If it wasnt for the 48 war the Palestinians would still be the majority.

But Israel will never accept right of return for obvious reasons.

I wasn't referring to an official invite by letter by the ruling authority but an open armed invitition. Religious Jews started to arrive as early as 1880, they were allowed to buy land, live side by side because Muslims saw Jews as cousins.

Varun
21st April 2017, 11:19
Hey s28 - have any of your petitions you know, worked?

s28
21st April 2017, 16:08
If you have to ask that question you probably don't understand what petitions are for

Robert
21st April 2017, 16:11
So is that a no?

Gabbar Singh
1st May 2017, 04:24
UK refuses to apologise to Palestinians for Balfour Declaration and says it is 'proud of role in creating Israel'

British Government says it is ‘proud of our role in creating the State of Israel’

Theresa May has invited Benjamin Netanyahu to attend events commemorating the Balfour Declaration in November Getty
Palestinian leaders have vowed to sue the British Government after it refused to apologise for a 1917 declaration that paved the way for the creation of Israel.

Mahmoud Abbas had called for an apology in his address to the UN General Assembly in September, ahead of planned celebrations by British and Israeli officials to mark the centenary of the Balfour Declaration.

More than 13,500 people signed a petition calling for the Government to “openly apologise to the Palestinian people” over the letter, saying the UK’s colonial policy caused “mass displacement” and injustice.

The number of signatures failed to pass the benchmark for a parliamentary debate but the Government issued a formal response.

British soldiers patrol the streets of Jerusalem at the time of a visit by Lord Balfour, 2nd April 1925. Getty Images/Hulton Archive
Palestinians have long condemned the Balfour Declaration as a promise by Britain to hand over land it did not own (Getty)
“The Balfour Declaration is an historic statement for which HMG does not intend to apologise,” it said.

“We are proud of our role in creating the State of Israel. The task now is to encourage moves towards peace.”


A spokesperson said the Declaration was written in a world of “competing imperial powers” as the First World War raged and Ottoman Empire diminished, adding: “In that context, establishing a homeland for the Jewish people in the land to which they had such strong historical and religious ties was the right and moral thing to do, particularly against the background of centuries of persecution.

“Of course, a full assessment of the Declaration and what followed from it can only be made by historians.”

The Government’s statement accepted that the Declaration “should have called for the protection of political rights of the non-Jewish communities in Palestine, particularly their right to self-determination” but said that lasting peace must now be established through a two-state solution.

It called for a “viable and sovereign Palestinian state” based on the 1967 borders complete with agreed land swaps, Jerusalem as the shared capital of both states, and an agreed settlement for refugees.

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu meets Theresa May
Manuel Hassassian, the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, said the response meant “the Queen and the Government of Britain will not apologise to the Palestinian people” and planned centenary events would go ahead.

He said that unless the position was reversed and the UK formally recognised the state of Palestine, a lawsuit would be pursued.

“This is the only condition upon which we can close this file permanently,” he told Voice of Palestine Radio on Tuesday.


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-authority-uk-balfour-declaration-israel-sue-israel-zionism-refuse-apologise-lawsuit-a7702866.html%3Famp

JaDed
1st May 2017, 09:08
Looks like its clear on which May's foreign policy resides.

s28
5th May 2017, 18:52
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-authority-uk-balfour-declaration-israel-sue-israel-zionism-refuse-apologise-lawsuit-a7702866.html