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s28
5th September 2017, 22:01
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Army members held on suspicion of belonging to banned UK neo-Nazi group<a href="https://t.co/eiiYNPhRIs">https://t.co/eiiYNPhRIs</a></p>&mdash; Jamie Grierson (@JamieGrierson) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamieGrierson/status/905016950228692993">5 September 2017</a></blockquote>
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s28
5th September 2017, 22:02
Five serving members of the British army have been arrested on suspicion of being members of the recently banned neo-Nazi group National Action.

A 22-year-old from Birmingham, a 32-year-old from Powys, a 24-year-old from Ipswich and a 24-year-old from Northampton, all men, have been arrested under the Terrorism Act on suspicion of being members of a proscribed organisation, West Midlands police said. An army source said a fifth serving soldier had been arrested in Cyprus.

An army spokeswoman confirmed to the Guardian that serving members were among those arrested.

“We can confirm that a number of serving members of the army have been arrested under the Terrorism Act for being associated with a proscribed far-right group,” she said. “These arrests are the consequence of a police-led operation supported by the army. This is now the subject of a civilian police investigation and it would be inappropriate to comment further.”

Four are being held at a police station in the West Midlands and a number of properties are being searched in connection with the arrests. The police force said the men had been arrested on suspicion of offences under the Terrorism Act 2000, namely being members of a proscribed organisation, National Action.

It is understood that three of the men served with the Royal Anglian regiment.

A statement from West Midlands police said: “The arrests were pre-planned and intelligence-led; there was no threat to the public’s safety.”

The arrests were carried out with West Midlands counter-terrorism unit in conjunction with units from Wales and the east Midlands.

National Action, an antisemitic, white supremacist group, was banned as a terrorist organisation in December by the home secretary. Amber Rudd said the group had no place in British society.

“I am clear that the safety and security of our families, communities and country comes first,” she said. “So today I am taking action to proscribe the neo-Nazi group National Action. This will mean that being a member of, or inviting support for, this organisation will be a criminal offence.

“National Action is a racist, antisemitic and homophobic organisation, which stirs up hatred, glorifies violence and promotes a vile ideology, and I will not stand for it. It has absolutely no place in a Britain that works for everyone.”

The group, which lauded the murder of the Labour MP Jo Cox, has held demonstrations in UK cities with banners declaring: “Hitler was right”.

The slogan on its former website was: “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain,” which was the only statement given in court by Cox’s murderer, Thomas Mair.

The group has been filmed telling a small group of supporters about “the disease of international Jewry” and that “when the time comes they’ll be in the chambers”. It has also been filmed training supporters in hand-to-hand combat.

A spokesman for the Board of Deputies of British Jews said: “It is extremely concerning that there are some members of our armed forces that are allegedly members of the proscribed fascist group National Action.

“Their glorification of Nazis and celebration of terrorism are just some examples of this group’s atrocious actions.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/05/four-held-on-suspicion-of-being-members-of-outlawed-neo-nazi-group-national-action

KingKhanWC
5th September 2017, 22:36
I know a fair few soliders in the army and although most try to be professional and many have left the armed forces due to the nations foreign policy, there are plenty who have the far right mentality.

Good work by the police to hunt these fascists down. Imagine the death and torture these people would have unleashed on innocent people while being abroad on duty.

s28
5th September 2017, 23:14
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If these soldiers turn out to be neo-Nazi terrorists, we have to get rid of all soldiers because *something about poisoned skittles* right?</p>&mdash; James O&#39;Brien (@mrjamesob) <a href="https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/905113365093208064">5 September 2017</a></blockquote>
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James
6th September 2017, 00:03
Embarrassing and disgraceful, but not surprising.

Clearly there are a significant number of squaddies that will either have sympathetic views towards the likes of Britain First and the EDL, or be outright supporters of them.

I have listened to some of these young chaps talk to each other at length on the weekend trains - some are civilised and polite, but many are potty-mouthed, racist and sexist unfortunately.

Cpt. Rishwat
6th September 2017, 12:54
I hadn't heard of groups like National Action before Jo Cox's murder, and surprisingly little has been said about them even since then. They are flying under the radar because they don't feature much in the popular news media in the same way as say Anjem Choudhery or the hook handed cleric Hamza did before their incarceration.

shaz619
6th September 2017, 15:58
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If these soldiers turn out to be neo-Nazi terrorists, we have to get rid of all soldiers because *something about poisoned skittles* right?</p>— James O'Brien (@mrjamesob) <a href="https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/905113365093208064">5 September 2017</a></blockquote>
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What you mean get rid of "all soldiers" , that would leave the UK completely undefended :facepalm: and also put us at risk when the forces are required to aid the public during natural disasters

Adil_94
6th September 2017, 16:33
i know a few lads i went to school with who joined the army and a lot of em did have edl sympathies back in those days. There is a sizeable portion of low level recruits who do sympathise with far right views and organisations

Great work by the police though to root out these extremists. in many other countries army members are virtually untouchable.

Asim_khan
6th September 2017, 16:57
What you mean get rid of "all soldiers" , that would leave the UK completely undefended :facepalm: and also put us at risk when the forces are required to aid the public during natural disasters

He's being sarcastic, a shot at those who say get rid of all Muslims cos of a few terrorists. James can be brilliant, check this absolutel brutal takedown of a guy called Richard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LKQnFJzyGo

s28
6th September 2017, 23:08
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">4 soldiers arrested over neo-Nazi links yest. Scant mention today. Had they been alleged jihadists story would&#39;ve dominated for days.</p>&mdash; Glenton (@joejglenton) <a href="https://twitter.com/joejglenton/status/905483249861976064">6 September 2017</a></blockquote>
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Specialisttailender
6th September 2017, 23:34
I know a fair few soliders in the army and although most try to be professional and many have left the armed forces due to the nations foreign policy, there are plenty who have the far right mentality.

Good work by the police to hunt these fascists down. Imagine the death and torture these people would have unleashed on innocent people while being abroad on duty.

I doubt most are leaving due to foreign policy, i think you just want it to be that way.

s28
7th September 2017, 01:20
I doubt most are leaving due to foreign policy, i think you just want it to be that way.

Must suck for some of the racists who hate foreigners they get sent to work with foreigners in foreign places

KingKhanWC
7th September 2017, 01:39
I doubt most are leaving due to foreign policy, i think you just want it to be that way.

Please think less and do more research. I have spoken to soldiers themselves and if you want to read, see below.


Former defence minister Sir Gerald Howarth MP said: “There is little doubt morale is under enormous pressure. Soldiers are concerned about the Future Accommodation Model, which may see them forced to rent or buy properties when what families actually want is to live in an Army environment.

“Particularly concerning is the effect of ‘historic war crime’ allegations. There is an increasing feeling that soldiers or veterans who find themselves arraigned for doing what they thought was right for their country are pretty much on their own.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/780954/british-army-soldiers-quit-low-morale-deployment-defence

Specialisttailender
7th September 2017, 02:25
Please think less and do more research. I have spoken to soldiers themselves and if you want to read, see below.



http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/780954/british-army-soldiers-quit-low-morale-deployment-defence

No where it says many are leaving due to foreign policy.

KingKhanWC
7th September 2017, 02:30
No where it says many are leaving due to foreign policy.

The article is about soldiers morale and various reasons for wanting to leave. War crimes is one of the pressures they face. But ok believe every soldier is stupid enough to think these wars are just and mighty.

s28
12th September 2017, 03:49
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/11/three-men-charged-members-banned-neo-nazi-group-national-action/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

On anniversary of September 11th. Grim


Sophie Jamieson Victoria Ward

11 SEPTEMBER 2017 9:55PM

Three men have been charged with terror offences as part of an investigation into the banned neo-Nazi group National Action.

Five men, including four soldiers, were held on suspicion of terror offences last week and two have since been released without charge. West Midlands Police said Alexander Deakin, 22, Mikko Vehvilainen, 32, and Mark Barrett, 24, have been charged with being members of a proscribed organisation contrary to Section 11 of the Terrorism Act.

Deakin and Vehvilainen have also been charged with possessing documents likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism and other offences.

Deakin faces another charge of distribution of a terrorist publication and a separate charge of inciting racial hatred including concerning National Action stickers posted at Aston University campus in Birmingham in July last year.

Robert
12th September 2017, 12:34
If guilty, send them to a Cat-A.

CricketCartoons
12th September 2017, 13:01
Within a decade, fascism will be the dominant ideology across the world.