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Varun
15th September 2017, 14:32
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Gandhinagar, Gujarat for the 12th India-Japan annual summit, where the two leaders will review progress made so far and identify pathways for the future under the Special Strategic and Global Partnership between the two.

Abe and Modi are meeting at a strategically significant time when India and China have managed to disengage the forces at Doklam but with heightened tensions in the Korean Peninsula following North Korean nuclear and missile tests. Both these events remain significant developments for India and Japan but given the geographic distance that separates them, there is very little that the two can do to come to each other’s aid.
Therefore, peacetime collaboration and capacity building across several sectors including strategic infrastructure and defence are vital, and it will keep the momentum in the bilateral relationship but also help strengthen India’s defenses. The bilateral annual defence dialogue held in Tokyo last week highlighted some of these possibilities including close collaboration in defence production involving also dual-use technologies. The bilateral Memorandum on Defence Co-operation and Exchanges in September 2014 and the two Defence Framework agreements signed in December 2015 provide as the umbrella pacts for India and Japan to pursue closer defence and security cooperation.
In an era of Asian strategic uncertainties and global power transition, India-Japan defence and security linkages have become particularly significant. Establishing an inclusive Asian strategic space that is shaped by all rising powers and avoiding the emergence of a unilateral Asia continues to be a major driver in this regard. Additionally, the military powerhouse of China along with its expansionist behaviour and a belligerent North Korea have necessitated close cooperation between democracies such as India and Japan. The inability of the global nuclear regime and the big powers to restrain North Korea could produce results that may not be in the long-term interests of China, for instance. Dangers of a nuclear North Korea also impact upon India. The “complex proliferation web” and the possible clandestine trade between North Korea and Pakistan in the nuclear and missile technologies, all under the blessing of Beijing, are continuing worries for India.

Given these security concerns and challenges, India and Japan have put in mechanisms to facilitate defence cooperation. While these have so far not produced much in concrete terms, the initial conversations suggest significant possibilities. The two sides are believed to be making progress with regard to the Japanese offer of US 2 amphibious aircraft. Japan’s advanced aircraft industries offer yet another possibility. Defence electronics is another significant area for cooperation. This assumes importance considering the larger share of US weapon platforms that India is beginning to use, because these platforms have used key Japanese electronics. These are areas that India should be focusing on as these could be expanded under the “Make in India” initiative and build partnerships between Indian and Japanese small and medium size enterprises as well. Development of submarines is significant although India is yet to take it up with Japan. India has been so far collaborating with France although it has been faced with many delays, reducing India’s submarine fleet to a critically low number. If India does not take corrective measures soon, this will have dire consequences for Indian security. Partnering with like-minded strategic partners such as Japan will have multiple benefits, including that of strengthening maritime security cooperation.

Japan has remained a privileged partner in India’s infrastructure development story, be it the Delhi metro or the quadrilateral highway or the Mumbai-Ahmedabad shinkansen rail corridor projects. In the last few years, however, India has opened up more strategically vital projects to Japan such as development of India’s northeast and Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Northeast infrastructure development has been on the bilateral agenda for a couple of years, but giving it a focused push and direction, India and Japan created India-Japan Coordination Forum for Development of North East on August 4. The new institutional set up, critical in India’s furtherance of the Act East Policy, was announced at a meeting of the Ministry of Development of North Eastern Region and the Embassy of Japan. Earlier, in April 2017, the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) had concluded an agreement with the Indian government to fund phase I of the North East Road Network Connectivity Improvement Project to the tune of $610 million (67 billion yen). This phase will involve building two highway projects in Mizoram and Meghalaya, National Highway 54 (NH 54) and National Highway 51 (NH 51) respectively. NH 54 is also critical in implementing better connectivity under the Kaladan-Multi-Modal Transport Corridor Project that will connect India’s northeast with the rest of India via Myanmar. These engagements see a major convergence between India’s Act East Policy and Japan’s Partnership for Quality Infrastructure (PQI) initiative. Japanese willingness to fund projects in the northeast is also significant because even multilateral funding agencies such as the World Bank have been hesitant to fund project area in the so-called disputed areas such as Arunachal Pradesh that is claimed by China.

Partnership between New Delhi and Tokyo in infrastructure projects are not limited to India alone – in fact, the two have plans for ambitious projects across the developing world in Asia and Africa. At the African Development Bank (AfDB) meeting in Gujarat in May this year, Modi announced the Asia Africa Growth Corridor (AAGC), an initiative that is going to be jointly undertaken by India and Japan. India has been involved in developmental as well as infrastructural projects in Asia and Africa but joining hands with Japan, a more capable power with a larger kitty and advanced technologies, can become effective and efficient. Japan has reportedly agreed to fund to the tune of $200 billion for the growth corridor in Africa. While many have touted this as response China’s One Belt, One Road (OBOR), the reality is that India and Japan began this initiative way back in 2010 to strengthen development and connectivity between Asia and Africa. The Vision Document has identified four core areas for this growth corridor - Development Cooperation Projects, Quality Infrastructure and Institutional Connectivity, Enhancing Skills, and People-to-People Partnership.

Infrastructure development and defence and security collaboration will prove to be substantial component of India-Japan relations whereas the security consultations across a number of regional and global security developments will prove to be the political and strategic cover for New Delhi and Tokyo in the long-term.

https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/shinkasen-diplomacy-abe-modi-meet-in-gandhinagar/301635

Interesting article.

cricketjoshila
15th September 2017, 14:45
Japan and India will cooperate to hold off chinese expansion via infrastructure projects.

The Russian-Indian relation is at another level.Military Strategic Nuclear etc etc etc.There is no replacing that.

LastManstanding
15th September 2017, 15:05
A Japan-India strategic alliance has the potential to be a game changer in 21st century Asia. The military restraint of both countries is the best counter-weight to rising tensions in the continent. However, a China-containment policy should not be the driver of Indo-Japanese relations for it will set the bar much lower than can be achieved in this bilateral relationship.

cricketjoshila
15th September 2017, 15:28
A Japan-India strategic alliance has the potential to be a game changer in 21st century Asia. The military restraint of both countries is the best counter-weight to rising tensions in the continent. However, a China-containment policy should not be the driver of Indo-Japanese relations for it will set the bar much lower than can be achieved in this bilateral relationship.

A Indo Japan Alliance with possible addition of SoKo will form to first counter China.It will only develop from there.

Cpt. Rishwat
15th September 2017, 16:34
Isn't Japan also heavily aligned with America? That might be why Russia is also opening channels with Pakistan to provide some balance in the region in case India swings too far in that direction.

Syed1
15th September 2017, 17:55
Japanese are not the type that will choose one country over another. Japan has funded and continues to fund plenty of economic and infrastructure projects in Pakistan as well. Overtly siding with India means Japan not only ruins her relation with China it also alienates Pakistan (keep in mind about 8 out of 10 cars in Pakistan are Japanese origin assembled in Pakistan and Japanese manufacturers enjoy extra incentives).

Infact despite what is said about Japan-China relations, those two nations have excellent trade relations. China is Japan's second biggest export destination ($116b) and largest import origin ($152b). You think they will dump all of that just to form an alliance with India in a "China containment strategy". Well Good luck....


As they say "It's all about the money, honey".

Eagle_Eye
15th September 2017, 17:59
Japanese are not the type that will choose one country over another. Japan has funded and continues to fund plenty of economic and infrastructure projects in Pakistan as well. Overtly siding with India means Japan not only ruins her relation with China it also alienates Pakistan (keep in mind about 8 out of 10 cars in Pakistan are Japanese origin assembled in Pakistan and Japanese manufacturers enjoy extra incentives).

Infact despite what is said about Japan-China relations, those two nations have excellent trade relations. China is Japan's second biggest export destination ($116b) and largest import origin ($152b). You think they will dump all of that just to form an alliance with India in a "China containment strategy". Well Good luck....


As they say "It's all about the money, honey".

Nope you have it all wrong.... Japan will put all on the line so that they can have an alliance with India ..... for as of now unknown purpose!

Syed1
15th September 2017, 18:05
Nope you have it all wrong.... Japan will put all on the line so that they can have an alliance with India ..... for as of now unknown purpose!

Yes India is a rising suppa powa and countries like Japan have to be "either with us or against us" :91:

Napa
15th September 2017, 18:30
I know multiple Japanese and I can tell you one thing, they do not like the Chinese. While the Japanese were beaten in WWII, they still retain a strong sense of superiority vs. the Chinese.

While the trade relationship between the two countries is booming, Japan runs a considerable deficit so it feels less constrained to to take a hostile position wrt China.

While trade creates a lobby that wishes to avoid war, this lobby is not always decisive. If it were, then WWII would not have happened between European countries.

Both India and Japan have got into scraps with China over the last 50 years. It makes eminent sense for them to come together. China certainly hasn't felt that it needs to restrain itself from scraps with India.

Japan and India have excellent human capital, and India is a growing market. The two have a lot to offer each other.

India and Russia will never be estranged. The connection between these two is at a different level. Russia may do a few things to diversify its commercial and strategic options, but at the end of the day the relation is too deep to be broken.vAlso, Russia does not trust China.

China may end up facing an alliance of the US, India, Russia and Japan. China really hasn't made any powerful friends in the world with its mercantilist economic policy. Hopefully it won't become a shooting war.

Talented
15th September 2017, 18:32
Japanese are not the type that will choose one country over another. Japan has funded and continues to fund plenty of economic and infrastructure projects in Pakistan as well. Overtly siding with India means Japan not only ruins her relation with China it also alienates Pakistan (keep in mind about 8 out of 10 cars in Pakistan are Japanese origin assembled in Pakistan and Japanese manufacturers enjoy extra incentives).

Infact despite what is said about Japan-China relations, those two nations have excellent trade relations. China is Japan's second biggest export destination ($116b) and largest import origin ($152b). You think they will dump all of that just to form an alliance with India in a "China containment strategy". Well Good luck....


As they say "It's all about the money, honey".

Wrong analysis from start till end. Japan and China relations aren't great that Japan be cautious about it. Japan cares nothing about alienating Pakistan. Zilch. India-Japan partnership is more of trade/ investment/ technology than strategic. It is not a China containment strategy.

Syed1
15th September 2017, 18:34
Wrong analysis from start till end. Japan and China relations aren't great that Japan be cautious about it. Japan cares nothing about alienating Pakistan. Zilch. India-Japan partnership is more of trade/ investment/ technology than strategic. It is not a China containment strategy.

Yes Japan - India relations are more valuable than Japan - China relations :))

Talented
15th September 2017, 18:37
Isn't Japan also heavily aligned with America? That might be why Russia is also opening channels with Pakistan to provide some balance in the region in case India swings too far in that direction.

Russia may try to earn some bucks from Pakistan but strategically its less likely to help Pakistan and mostly prefer to remain aloof.

Talented
15th September 2017, 18:39
Yes Japan - India relations are more valuable than Japan - China relations :))
You again get it wrong. Both relations are valuable. In international politics every relation is valuable. Japan India recent partnership is not a strategy for containment of China but pure business.

Syed1
15th September 2017, 18:40
You again get it wrong. Both relations are valuable. In international politics every relation is valuable. Japan India recent partnership is not a strategy for containment of China but pure business.

Bhai your own country men in this thread are claiming Japan will form a grand alliance with India and South Korea in a "China containment strategy".

Cpt. Rishwat
15th September 2017, 18:41
Russia may try to earn some bucks from Pakistan but strategically its less likely to help Pakistan and mostly prefer to remain aloof.

Isn't that how most nations operate outside of their immediate sphere?

Talented
15th September 2017, 18:46
Bhai your own country men in this thread are claiming Japan will form a grand alliance with India and South Korea in a "China containment strategy".

Maybe in distant future when China is involved in an all out war with just about any country you name it. China has issues with almost every country around it and claims a piece of everyone. :)) However I strongly disagree the current developments are a step forward in forming an alliance of India Japan and SK. Its pure business at the moment.

Talented
15th September 2017, 18:47
Isn't that how most nations operate outside of their immediate sphere?

Yes.

Napa
15th September 2017, 19:04
I think both the Japanese and Indians, like most people around the world, are able to hold two different thoughts at the same time.

There is a reason for India and Japan to collaborate due to economic reasons.

There is also reason for India and Japan to collaborate due to strategic reasons in response to aggressive Chinese behavior.

China has no friends among the important countries in the world. That is indicative of what the other countries think of their behavior.

Eagle_Eye
15th September 2017, 19:11
I think both the Japanese and Indians, like most people around the world, are able to hold two different thoughts at the same time.

There is a reason for India and Japan to collaborate due to economic reasons.

There is also reason for India and Japan to collaborate due to strategic reasons in response to aggressive Chinese behavior.

China has no friends among the important countries in the world. That is indicative of what the other countries think of their behavior.

What exactly would this grand alliance do?

Talented
15th September 2017, 19:15
I think both the Japanese and Indians, like most people around the world, are able to hold two different thoughts at the same time.

There is a reason for India and Japan to collaborate due to economic reasons.

There is also reason for India and Japan to collaborate due to strategic reasons in response to aggressive Chinese behavior.

China has no friends among the important countries in the world. That is indicative of what the other countries think of their behavior.

Japan is dependent on uncle SAM for protection. India-Japan collaboration for strategic reasons makes little sense or just a soft signal to China. China would be more ****** of the fact that bullet train project did not go its way rather than worry about India forming an alliance with Japan as a strategy to counter China.

Napa
15th September 2017, 19:16
What exactly would this grand alliance do?

Instead of throwing rocks at each other next time, China and India could throw furniture.

Wars start gradually. Wars are madness, yet they happen. Right now it seems that there will never again be a war because of nuclear weapons. However, this theory remains to be tested.

Modern war is all about technology. If you have better technology you will defeat your enemy. Japan is more capable at technology than China.

Napa
15th September 2017, 19:21
Japan is dependent on uncle SAM for protection. India-Japan collaboration for strategic reasons makes little sense or just a soft signal to China. China would be more ****** of the fact that bullet train project did not go its way rather than worry about India forming an alliance with Japan as a strategy to counter China.

Japan is in a funk, in a state of demographic collapse. If they are to get their mojo back they need to become more independent and not depend upon the US for protection.

It is not possible to predict how things will be 20 to 50 years from now. But it is possible to say that changes will happen in the future and the world will look very different.

www787
15th September 2017, 19:26
Sound like High school girls fighting who is more friend with who.

The stronger the economy ties between Asian nations the better it is for the people. For Japan India is another market as it would be for China too.

If Pakistan could afford it, Japan would provide them with bullet train too.

CPEC kind of route or something similar to that can't be provided to Japan by India. Modi is just saying all that to keep his base happy, its free political browny points.

GBK_Fan
15th September 2017, 19:40
Why do we need another Russia? Why can't be the big brother instead? No point being someone's lackey

Napa
15th September 2017, 19:56
Why do we need another Russia? Why can't be the big brother instead? No point being someone's lackey

India was never Russia's lackey. Do you remember NAM?

India and Japan can be a partnership, with benefits to both. I think the comparison to Russia is appropriate in the sense that Japan currently is richer and has better technology in some (not all) areas.

cricketjoshila
15th September 2017, 19:58
Nope you have it all wrong.... Japan will put all on the line so that they can have an alliance with India ..... for as of now unknown purpose!

Unknown purpose?The common purpose is to counter chinese hegemony.

cricketjoshila
15th September 2017, 20:02
Yes India is a rising suppa powa and countries like Japan have to be "either with us or against us" :91:

Japan has more issues,historical and current with chinese than anyone else.And yes whether you like it or not India is a rising economic power.

cricketjoshila
15th September 2017, 20:06
People need to check how many prickly issues Japan and China have with each other.Boundary issues,historical issues,chinese support for NoKo and others.

Lol at someone thinking Japan has to choose between China and India.Japan already has issues and these issues of Chinese aggression has brought India and Japan in a alliance of sorts.

cricketjoshila
15th September 2017, 20:09
Maybe in distant future when China is involved in an all out war with just about any country you name it. China has issues with almost every country around it and claims a piece of everyone. :)) However I strongly disagree the current developments are a step forward in forming an alliance of India Japan and SK. Its pure business at the moment.

Its not business.Japan India are both facing chinese aggression in terms of boundary disputes.Japan and China have historical issues from WW2.This is what has forced Japan and India in a alliance of sorts as alone neither can match the chinese financial strength but together they can

Eagle_Eye
16th September 2017, 00:34
Unknown purpose?The common purpose is to counter chinese hegemony.

And how exactly will they do that?

Japan is in for making money.... they don't do military confrontations, check out their constitution.

cricketjoshila
16th September 2017, 01:44
And how exactly will they do that?

Japan is in for making money.... they don't do military confrontations, check out their constitution.

Japan alone cant stop the chinese hegemony spreading via infrastructure projects thats why Japan and India will join hands to counter chinese investments.

Regarding military role, any military attack on Japanese soil means declaring war on USA and by extension NATO and not even china has that courage.

Eagle_Eye
16th September 2017, 01:57
Japan alone cant stop the chinese hegemony spreading via infrastructure projects thats why Japan and India will join hands to counter chinese investments.

Regarding military role, any military attack on Japanese soil means declaring war on USA and by extension NATO and not even china has that courage.

So Japan a first world country will need help of India, a third world country to carry out infrastructure projects around the world, when the Indians are getting Japan to improve their infrastructure.... something doesn't add up, why do the Japanese need India.

Syed1
16th September 2017, 02:13
So Japan a first world country will need help of India, a third world country to carry out infrastructure projects around the world, when the Indians are getting Japan to improve their infrastructure.... something doesn't add up, why do the Japanese need India.

Bhai to counter the big bad Chinese... duhh

joshila bhai has made that clear enough already

waqar goraya
16th September 2017, 02:47
Russian alliance had military and strategic basis, Japan partnership is based upon commercial interests. Russia was a super power in a bi-polar world where as Japan itself depends on USA for security.

The relationship might be more fruitful in commercial aspects but it is in different in perspective to Russia's.
India has already decided to get closer to US strategically, so two close partners of US engaging between themselves don't make a breaking news.

cricketjoshila
16th September 2017, 04:26
So Japan a first world country will need help of India, a third world country to carry out infrastructure projects around the world, when the Indians are getting Japan to improve their infrastructure.... something doesn't add up, why do the Japanese need India.


Japan is only "financing" a bullet train project in India, atleast 3 other countries have shown interest in doing the same.

You need to read how Japan and India will jointly finance and build infrastructure in AAGC.Japan and Indias economy together is close to China's.India also has the naval and military reach in Indian ocean while japan is limited to pacific and south china sea region.India as a leader of NAM has certain amount of goodwill and acess in African countries.Japan alone cannot take on China.

cricketjoshila
16th September 2017, 04:27
Bhai to counter the big bad Chinese... duhh

joshila bhai has made that clear enough already

So what did you read about the Sino Japanese relation?

Eagle_Eye
16th September 2017, 04:40
Japan is only "financing" a bullet train project in India, atleast 3 other countries have shown interest in doing the same.

You need to read how Japan and India will jointly finance and build infrastructure in AAGC.Japan and Indias economy together is close to China's.India also has the naval and military reach in Indian ocean while japan is limited to pacific and south china sea region.India as a leader of NAM has certain amount of goodwill and acess in African countries.Japan alone cannot take on China.

So Japan needs india's good will in Africa and navy in the Indian Ocean but you said it's not about military before but infrastructure.

I am still confused as to what leverage India has over Japan in Africa.... what can't the Japanese do on their own that they need India to facilitate..... bear in mind Africans will be well aware of Japan through their electronics and cars....

cricketjoshila
16th September 2017, 11:30
So Japan needs india's good will in Africa and navy in the Indian Ocean but you said it's not about military before but infrastructure.

I am still confused as to what leverage India has over Japan in Africa.... what can't the Japanese do on their own that they need India to facilitate..... bear in mind Africans will be well aware of Japan through their electronics and cars....

India has built up relations in Africa over decades through NAM.That kind of political relations are not built in months.India also has sizeable diaspora in Africa.These are leverages that Japan doesnt have.

JaDed
16th September 2017, 11:38
Sound like High school girls fighting who is more friend with who.

The stronger the economy ties between Asian nations the better it is for the people. For Japan India is another market as it would be for China too.

If Pakistan could afford it, Japan would provide them with bullet train too.

CPEC kind of route or something similar to that can't be provided to Japan by India. Modi is just saying all that to keep his base happy, its free political browny points.

India wouldn't provide that route to anyone,Pakistan is a smaller country and have been devoid of massive foreign investment for a while so they can take that route,it would be disastrous for India,already we are filled with Chinese Goods.

Napa
16th September 2017, 12:29
So what did you read about the Sino Japanese relation?

All you need to know about how the Chinese and Japanese feel about each other is Unit 731.