3rd Test: Day 3 scoreboard and discussion thread [26/03/05]

[MIG]

Bismillah-e-Rahman-e-Rahim....

Lets see how Pak do today !

[MecnunK]

Inshallah, gona knock over India before end of the day...

[MecnunK]

nice start by Arshad..tight maiden.

[Schiller]

we need sami to come thru here

[MecnunK]

yes, through his depression, through his mediocrity, through his lack of results and through his crap hairstyles phase... He has alot to come through that guy..

[Awesome Anjum]

4

[Schiller]

not to mention the new 'moustache' hes growing

[MecnunK]

Did kamal just put down a chance?

[Schiller]

yep!
catch dropped

[Muddaser]

Well done Kamal!

[MecnunK]

not to mention the new 'moustache' hes growing

he is what!!! I swear if they do'nt drop him !!!

Mind you I'll forgive him if he takes 10 wickets in this match..okay let's say even 5.

[Bailan]

Yea

2 chances already down against Shewag .... 1 by Younis, the other with Kamal ....

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ... i wish i could have a giant sticky surface instead of these two ... rigth now ... but the way Arshad is bowling shewag should fall soon .... *InshAllah*

[w4s1m786]

we might aswel star counting how much times we drop sehwag, it may have been hard chance but sehwag will punish us evreytime

[Schiller]

oh yes mec, hes growing fungus on the upper lip now
ha

and kamal should have taken the catch but didnt.

[Awesome Anjum]

4!

[Schiller]

i dont mind the 4s just now

[Schiller]

wht the FK cant these guys take sehwag's catches? are they retarded?

[octavian]

Salam people,

just woke pup to watch the match. i heard 2 catches have gone down ?

[catwoman]

2 chances dropped?! I hope they don't turn out to be too costly. :(-

[MecnunK]

hard chances but at this level it is what seperates men from the boys..

they werent chances yaar. I'd like to see one of us taking a "catch" like that standing at silly point!!!

[tahaqureshi]

asim DID NOT drop catch!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that was a really good block!!!!!!! the ball was coming SOOOOOOOO fast.....

u guyz just need a reason

[Schiller]

i saw one going down, asim the einstein was the one then, difficult catch but at that position all catches are difficult.

damned fools!

[Awesome Anjum]

they need to attack the stumps.

[octavian]

they werent chances yaar. I'd like to see one of us taking a "catch" like that standing at silly point!!!


Dont compare the players to us, compare them to other international level cricketers.

[MecnunK]

*lol*

[tahaqureshi]

wat do u mean by that aa?

[w4s1m786]

wat do u mean by that aa?

bowl straight

[Awesome Anjum]

exactly - and the odd bouncer would help.

[Schiller]

that was a catch and it was plonked

[tahaqureshi]

beautiful bowling by sami!!!!!!!!!

[Schiller]

they shouldnt worry about the runs just now, attack full out

arshad's appealing needs work

[Schiller]

afridi fielding well.

[Schiller]

that was damn close, good bowling sami

[Schiller]

i apologise for the above statement. sami bowls another no ball :P

also i wish the keeper would make less noise

[Schiller]

sami's bowled 6 overs already, he needs to be taken off now

[catwoman]

Anothe 4 by Sehwag

[MecnunK]

Yes!!

[tahaqureshi]

OUT!!!!!!!

[Schiller]

finally!!

[catwoman]

Sami takes a wicket...he should be knighted for this.

damn...if only Sami, the useless waste of talent that he is, had been taken off by the idiot captain of ours after 6 overs. very bad captaincy here, no innovation behind it! :)

[MecnunK]

it's the next 2 wickets that will decide the tone of the day...

[Schiller]

agree with mec

dravid is going to be the most important one here
if they dont get him before his 30 runs, we're in a spot more so if sehwag is there as well

[octavian]

Sami takes a wicket...he should be knighted for this.

Sami has bowled beautifully today. That wicket was always on the cards. He was troubling botht the batsmen,

[Schiller]

beautiful ball, almost got dravid

[Schiller]

sami is actually using the crease here

[MecnunK]

I wonder if Kaneria will be brought on for Dravid

[octavian]

He is using the crease. But having problems with noballs

[Schiller]

arshad bowling no balls a bit

[MecnunK]

lucky piece of crap!

[octavian]

Sami should bowl one more here.

[Schiller]

could almsot have been out

[MecnunK]

he is tiring though, no balls are coming more frequent

[MecnunK]

Sami to Sehwag, no run, short ball down the leg, Sehwag ducks, Sami gives a long never ending stare to Sehwag

*lol* sami the bengali tiger

[octavian]

Sami stares Sehwag in the eyes, and gets smacked for 4!!!

stupidity

[MecnunK]

Sami to Sehwag, FOUR!!, angling outside off, driven to sweeper cover, the ball races like a bullet to the fence and Sami stares again!

[tahaqureshi]

im happy with sami......he's back..just needs to keep this consistent form..

[tahaqureshi]

dravid's average in bangalore is just 18..his highest score is 60

[octavian]

Arshad should be taken off. He looks more like a an ODI bowler

[tahaqureshi]

kaneria trouble's dravid..we need him on..in tandem with arshad khan

[w4s1m786]

looks like sehwag looks unstoppabe for his 100

[ataullah]

Salam Guys,hows sami been bowling?what speed?he seems to be beating them quite a few times.Hows the pitch playing?any spin?

[w4s1m786]

inzi is letting things drift by he should bring on kaneria

[161]

akmal scares me with those appeals- i was falling asleep then he screams like a nut.

[Rob H]

akmal scares me with those appeals- i was falling asleep then he screams like a nut.
:)) :))) :)) :))) :)) :))) :)) :)))

[Schiller]

for some reason, sami still cant make breakthrus,
raz on

[w4s1m786]

for some reason, sami still cant make breakthrus,
raz on

sami just got ghambir isnt that a beakthrough or am i missing something

[Schiller]

i should have made it clearer, foolish me, he doesnt get the more important batsman out .

[161]

hmmn inzi not wanting to use danish or afridi- he needs to try something new before dravid gets well set.

[161]

i should have made it clearer, foolish me, he doesnt get the more important batsman out .


yes unlike danish who gets the big batsmen (after they score 100 runs)

[Schiller]

when did I say anything about kan?? :((

[161]

you didn't, i was just making my own point about danish

[w4s1m786]

lets hope kaneria gets a breakhrough coz dravid will be hard to dismiss once he is set

[octavian]

ddany's spell will be crucial

[octavian]

Razzi bowling on pads here. Customary brainlessness from Popeye !!

[Schiller]

not wanting to sound pessimistic here but we need one of these out pretty damn soon

[octavian]

Sam is the oly one who looked threatening so far.

[octavian]

Would you bet on yet another 100 for Dani boy ?

[Schiller]

oh hell yes :P

[161]

i'd like to see afridi get a shot

[w4s1m786]

these 2 are looking to play till lunch, i would bring afridi in for a ovre or 2 before lunch

[Schiller]

kabhi to kan wkt lay lay baghari 100 run diyay.
afridi should be tried

[arsal_pakfan]

India 147/1 at lunch!

and we have lost the series!..i can't see pak bowlers getting back into the game and picking up 9 Indian wickets in the next two sessions!

[Schiller]

i think thats a safe assumption.

[Muddaser]

India 147/1 at lunch!

and we have lost the series!..i can't see pak bowlers getting back into the game and picking up 9 Indian wickets in the next two sessions!

Did you expect us to win? I was expecting a whitewash.

1-0 defeat isnt anything to be ashamed of.

The boys have done us proud.

[Sage]

It was always about our bowling attack, especially the pace bowlers. Its not surprising we never dominated their batsmen.

[Schiller]

and if it werent for the damned two moments in the second test, it could well have been 0-0
however, 1-0 is a lot better
this bowling attack, without a bra of doubt, sucks!

[Sage]

Our bowling attack has sucked for some time now, even before the two Ws retired. Waqar was very poor in his last years, and Wasim was poor in Tests also.

We also lacked a quality spinner, and Kaneria is still not good enough, although he's done alright this tour.

Our only good bowler these last few years has been Shoaib but we all know about his problems.

[Schiller]

i think that sums it up quite accurately.
kan i still think is not all there yet, not as much as theyre hyping him to be, but then, indians usually sodomise the leggie

[Officer Barbrady]

Our bowling attack has sucked for some time now, even before the two Ws retired. Waqar was very poor in his last years, and Wasim was poor in Tests also.

We also lacked a quality spinner, and Kaneria is still not good enough, although he's done alright this tour.

Our only good bowler these last few years has been Shoaib but we all know about his problems.

Well said. Most have forgotten that those guys also declined towards the end (waqar for about 7 odd years though). Saqlain is another on the list.

[Sage]

i think that sums it up quite accurately.
kan i still think is not all there yet, not as much as theyre hyping him to be, but then, indians usually sodomise the leggie

And that he has largely escaped complete violation is a testament to his growing ability.

We should've nurtured some better bowlers, but according to Noddy, the cupboard is largely bare, despite Muddy's claims :P

[Schiller]

though I hope he would make 1 or two crucial breakthrus a little more regularly.
wiqi was impotent from late 90s, wasim from early 20s and saqi for lord knows how long.

the cupboard indeed seems bare waisay

[Sage]

It worries me that bowlers like Yasir Arafat are in line for a recall, don't think they have what it takes. He just seems the next in the Riaz, Asif, Khalil, Rao line.

Sami had it but he's been a complete failure so far in his career.

Never felt too comfortable with even Shabbir and Gul.

[Schiller]

people hype up gul here and I dont think hes much either, havent seen yasir but just might be another riaz or asif or khalil in the making

sami has been the biggest loss not only individually but also because he ddidnt let others get trained or find a spot properly i suspect.

[Sage]

For a medium pacer to perform well in Sri Lanka's terrible pitches is not surprising.

Sami had the 2 Ws for guidance, even if he was often not in the 11. Yes he did seem to waste a spot but who else would've benefited from it? Its seems now more than ever that Sami's is some sort of mental problem.

[Schiller]

sami is a bimbo yar! a pure comprehensive Bimbo. he has that blonde mentality and nothing can rid it, not even mehndi and now the moustache

[tahaqureshi]

he ddidnt let others get trained or find a spot properly i suspect.


STOP BLAMING HIM! u really think its up to him to decide who gets a chance or not??????

u guyz really **** me off with your stupid criticisms.. if u don't know ***** about the team then just shut the f up...

[Sage]

Screw off, he deserves criticism.

[Schiller]

why thank you

[Schiller]

sami is a bimbo and i fear will remain so

[161]

??? razzaq to start post luch bowling ???

[tahaqureshi]

sorry for my temper, my bad.

no hard feelings ','?

[Schiller]

oh ofcourse not taha , i was surprised you were still defending sami :O

[octavian]

guys we dont know what kinda bowlers we have playing in our domestic cricket. But looking at bowlers like Khalil and Asif, i am forced to believe that COME ON we can do better than that !!

Lets pray that we find couple of quailty fast bowlers soon, cuz we need them badly. As as far Dani boy is concerned, spin bowling has never been and never will be our main weapon.

[Sage]

It seems that slowly, the 'white' teams have improved their ability to play spin, now confronting the ball where it's pitched and disturbing the spinner's length.

England's subcontinental tour 2000-2001, Australia's revenge tours of Sri Lanka and India, New Zealand's tours of India and Sri Lanka, and South Africa's tour of India have proved as such.

[octavian]

Yaar umar, i believe that the weak link has been Shoaib not Sami.

The fast boling Legacy that started from Sarfraz and Imran, was transfered very well to the 2 W's. 2 W's then trained like of M ZAhid and SHoiab Actor. and made sure that the legacy was passed on.

The weakest link in the chain has been Shoaib. His attitude and commitment have been way too indifferent. He gives a damn about the young bowlers or fellow bowlers or Pakistan. He should have taken the role of the senior bowler and trained and guided young bowlers.He has been the real dissappointment.

Sami on the other hand at least tries.

[Schiller]

thats a fair pt as well waisay. however i think sami could have learnt as well octavian, he didnt though and i would blame him for that waisay

[161]

razzaq playing like crap - did nothing with the bat, and now doing nothing with the ball

[Sage]

OUT!!!

[Schiller]

finally!!! Kan delivers!
dravid departs

[tahaqureshi]

only reason i defend sami is because he has shown once that he is really good..and once he has shown it, he can't hide it...we have to somehow unearth it

[KB]

Good and brave decision from Taufel.

[Schiller]

brave is the mot juste there ggm

[Bailan]

Razzaq is swinging the ball ... he just dosen't know how much ... its only a matter of time before he figers i tout .... hopefully

[Schiller]

i think inzi can put a few more people around tendi

[octavian]

If sami had played under Wasim and Waqar , he would 've been a far better bowler. Shoaib is the man who should be guiding him. But sadly shoaib is not that kind of a person.

He only cares about himself.

[Officer Barbrady]

Yaar umar, i believe that the weak link has been Shoaib not Sami.

The fast boling Legacy that started from Sarfraz and Imran, was transfered very well to the 2 W's. 2 W's then trained like of M ZAhid and SHoiab Actor. and made sure that the legacy was passed on.

The weakest link in the chain has been Shoaib. His attitude and commitment have been way too indifferent. He gives a damn about the young bowlers or fellow bowlers or Pakistan. He should have taken the role of the senior bowler and trained and guided young bowlers.He has been the real dissappointment.

Sami on the other hand at least tries.

I m not sure they taught Zahid anything! Even Shoaib basically used his pace and his best performances came in the absence of Wasim. I don't think the W's left us with many bowling options.

[KB]

Sami back to target Sachin's pads.

[tahaqureshi]

kan gets his first wicket for only 29 runs

[Noman]

Why does our fast bowler bowls so many bowls at batsman pads....

Everytime they do that they score runs..

[Schiller]

the q is, can sami do it now

[Schiller]

I wouldnt mind using afridi soon, i think inzi is missing that little trick there

[161]

Inzi brings back sami- poor move - i would go with afridi at this stage !!!

[octavian]

Marooned are you kidding me ?????

Likes of Zahid , shoiab, Amir nazir, S nazir and some other bowlers made it into the side in the 90's mainly under WAsim.

They all did very well right from the word go. You have to give credit to Wasim and to some extent Waqar to give these all there experience and skills.

[Schiller]

marooned hates wasim octavian

[Schiller]

BOWDEN SCREWS US!!!!!!!!

TENDU WAS OUT!!!!!

[KB]

Sachin is a lucky lad.

[tahaqureshi]

DID U SEE THAT!!!!!!!!!??????????????

[Schiller]

that was daft yar ggm, i think it was plumb considering tendu didnt offer a shot at all
bloody hell!!!!!

[mumtaz]

this guy is damn lucky

[octavian]

Thats only too obvious umar

We all remeber how Shoaib used to swing the ball when wasim was captain. Remember those 2 yorkers last time pakistan was in india???

Where is that swing now?? How come all those bowlers usd to swing it even from there first match???

Hell, even Razzaq and Azhar Mehmood were far better bowlers under Wasim.

[tahaqureshi]

it missed the off stump by less than 1 cm literally!!!!

[KB]

Good thing about the Pkaistan side under Inzi is that they do not let wrong decisions effect them. They do not get so uptight that they lose focus. Once you have had a bad call, you just have to forget about it and get on with the game. You can't let it effect you.

And Pakistan under Inzi do not allow it to effect them.

[Sage]

As Bucknor found out, don't give Tendulkar out unless you want your name besmirched by every Indian institution. Especially an LBW.

:)) Accidentally posted in the "Girls" thread

[Schiller]

i agree with you on that acct ggm but do you remember other pak captains letting it getting to them?, i ask cause I dont know. atleast, im sure not with wasim.
and i think it should have been out yar.


octavian, i agree 100%.

[octavian]

Sami bowling beautifully. Full marks for commitmnt and attitude

[Bailan]

Sami is managing to earn my respect ... i see everything coming from him, inswing, a little bit of out and finally the reverse .....

[Officer Barbrady]

Marooned are you kidding me ?????

Likes of Zahid , shoiab, Amir nazir, S nazir and some other bowlers made it into the side in the 90's mainly under WAsim.

They all did very well right from the word go. You have to give credit to Wasim and to some extent Waqar to give these all there experience and skills.

Zahid had natural pace and struck in his first test in which I don't think Wasim even played. Was done and dusted soon. Nazir and Nazir got no where with their careers so why should I compare them with what Imran did with Wasim/Waqar or even Aaqib? They left us with on one as such. If I remember correctly Shoaib was brought in by Aamir/Rashid and struck right then.

What a retarded reaction by Bowden.

[161]

sami actually bowls a yorker - finally !!!!!! ;)+

[tahaqureshi]

did u see that yorker by sami to tendy????? it was so close..guyz pls make dua..Allah is the only one who can help sami and the whole pak team

[Schiller]

billy boola screwed it.

[KB]

"i agree with you on that acct ggm but do you remember other pak captains letting it getting to them?"

I have to say under Imran Khan Pakistan did at times behave badly when a bad decison went against them.

But that was in the era of home umpires standing. Also Pakistanis wanted to prove that it was not just Pkaistanis umpires who made errors. They did feel at times they were wrongly singled out, when in fact all over the world umpiring tended to favour the home team.

That was part of the reason for the poor reaction.

[Schiller]

intersting interesting.

and as i had said earlier, inzi should have had 1 or 2 more guys around tendu but didnt and this cost us again

[161]

sami bowling real well !!!!

needs to get rewarded with a wicket !!

[octavian]

Marooned are you kidding me ?????

Likes of Zahid , shoiab, Amir nazir, S nazir and some other bowlers made it into the side in the 90's mainly under WAsim.

They all did very well right from the word go. You have to give credit to Wasim and to some extent Waqar to give these all there experience and skills.

Zahid had natural pace and struck in his first test in which I don't think Wasim even played. Was done and dusted soon. Nazir and Nazir got no where with their careers so why should I compare them with what Imran did with Wasim/Waqar or even Aaqib? They left us with on one as such. If I remember correctly Shoaib was brought in by Aamir/Rashid and struck right then.

What a retarded reaction by Bowden.

you obviously have a very weak memory marroned. Shoaib burst onto the scene when we toured S.Africa in 1998, Wasim was the captain then. India toured followed and Shoiab got by bowling those 2 magical deliveries to Tendi and Dravid. Wasim was the Captain at that time. Amir/Rashid came together after WC2003. Good 5 years after that.

As regards to Zahid yes he had natural pace. But so does Sami!! You can not teach some one to bowl fast, but you can teach them how to swing and groom them. Thats exactly what Wasim did.

All these Pakistan Zinadabad clips that you see. Pakistan fast bowlers tribute clips in which you see our bowlers bowling all the batsman, and see stupms flying, 95% of them are from Wasim and Waqar era.

[Schiller]

I hereby certify marooned as a wasim hater :))

[KB]

Akhtar made his debut against the W.I. in the second Test at Pindi in 1997 when Wasim was captain.

[KB]

Wasim also backed Shahid Nazir. Had in the sqaud most times when he was captain. But whenever he lost the captaincy Nazir lost his place in the side.

Also it is not Wasim's fault that Zahid is so injury prone.

[Schiller]

cant comprehend all this criticism towards wasim really. poor poor poor stuff marooned, disappointing, you should now go and reside with Bari :))

[Noman]

and they will not get any wicket of it

[Officer Barbrady]

you obviously have a very weak memory marroned. Shoaib burst onto the scene when toured S.Africa in 1998, Wasim was the captain then. Inida toured followed and Shoiab got by bowling those 2 magical deliveries to Tendi and Dravid. Wasim was the Captain at that time. Amir/Rashid came together after WC2003. Good 5 years after that.

As regards to Zahid yes he had natural pace. But so does Sami!! You can not teach some one to bowl fast, but you can teach them how to swing and groom them. Thats exactly what Wasim did.

All these Pakistan Zinadabad clips that you see. Pakistan fast bowlers tribute clips in which you see our bowlers bowling all the batsman, and see stupms flying, 95% of them are from Wasim and Waqar era.

Octa, Wasim was not the captain on that tour he wasn't even in the squad for the first couple of games as he was dropped on match-fixing charges. Aamir and Rashid led the team.

What exactly did Zahid achieve? Yes he had pace but was he around enough to be praising him for his achievements? Or how Wasim helped him? He had one good match in which he bowled quick as did Sami in his very first game. Not sure where all the help from Wasim/Waqar comes in or when he really was swinging the ball.

I don't dispute anything about those clips both Wasim and Waqar were excellent bowlers in their time. Not sure if they were all that great for other pacers though.

[octavian]

exactly GGM. its not wasims fault that Zahid broke his back.

Its not his fault that he had a good pool of fast bowlers to chose from M Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Shahid Nazir, Azhar Mehmood and Razzaq were also very dangerous. Waqar was still around. Not to mention Wasim himself.

So careers of Shahid Nazir and Amir Nazir was compromised. But at least he had an eye from talent and knew how to polish it

[octavian]

Marooned you make me laugh my freind. I did'nt knw that you were so biased against Wasim. I wouldnt have started it at all.

[Officer Barbrady]

Wasim also backed Shahid Nazir. Had in the sqaud most times when he was captain. But whenever he lost the captaincy Nazir lost his place in the side.

Also it is not Wasim's fault that Zahid is so injury prone.

I m not sure how much he backed Shahid Nazir. He barely played for Pakistan even when Wasim was captain.

As for Zahid my point is that I wouldn't credit Wasim for grooming Zahid or anything of the sort as octa seemed to be suggesting.

[KB]

You can't blame the faults of other bowlers on Wasim and Waqar. You can tell the young bowlers what they should be doing, but it ultimatly comes down to the bowlers themselves. What they do with advice is down to them.

[Officer Barbrady]

Marooned you make me laugh my freind.

Good to know that. Always happy to provide a laugh.

[octavian]

Wasim also backed Shahid Nazir. Had in the sqaud most times when he was captain. But whenever he lost the captaincy Nazir lost his place in the side.

Also it is not Wasim's fault that Zahid is so injury prone.

I m not sure how much he backed Shahid Nazir. He barely played for Pakistan even when Wasim was captain.

As for Zahid my point is that I wouldn't credit Wasim for grooming Zahid or anything of the sort as octa seemed to be suggesting.

exactly GGM. its not wasims fault that Zahid broke his back.

Its not his fault that he had a good pool of fast bowlers to chose from M Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, Shahid Nazir, Azhar Mehmood and Razzaq were also very dangerous. Waqar was still around. Not to mention Wasim himself.

So careers of Shahid Nazir and Amir Nazir was compromised. But at least he had an eye from talent and knew how to polish it.

[Officer Barbrady]

You can't blame the faults of other bowlers on Wasim and Waqar. You can tell the young bowlers what they should be doing, but it ultimatly comes down to the bowlers themselves. What they do with advice is down to them.

I agree. I have not blaming them but I don't think it's fair to say that they provided us with heaps of bowlers and Shoaib didn't.

[Officer Barbrady]

Marooned you make me laugh my freind. I did'nt knw that you were so biased against Wasim. I wouldnt have started it at all.

Next time beware !

[Amjid Javed]

marooned is right, amir shoail was skipper for s.africa tour. A tour i went and watched in s.africa.

latif and akram didnt return till the final test and werent in original sqaud.

[Officer Barbrady]

cant comprehend all this criticism towards wasim really. poor poor poor stuff marooned, disappointing, you should now go and reside with Bari :))

Where is the criticism comma man?

[octavian]

You can't blame the faults of other bowlers on Wasim and Waqar. You can tell the young bowlers what they should be doing, but it ultimatly comes down to the bowlers themselves. What they do with advice is down to them.

I agree. I have not blaming them but I don't think it's fair to say that they provided us with heaps of bowlers and Shoaib didn't.

We are not saying that Wasim and Waqar PROVIDED us with the fast bowlers. The guided and groomed the youngsters. Thus the yiungsters became better bowlers and peformed well. Shoaib hasn't beared the torch. Thats the bottom line

[tahaqureshi]

zahid wouldn't be injury prone if he was played properly

[KB]

"I m not sure how much he backed Shahid Nazir. He barely played for Pakistan even when Wasim was captain."

Nazir made his LOI debut under Wasim in 1996. He then played against Zimbabwe and N.Z when Wasim was captain. He played in the LOIs in Australia under Wasim. wasim then lost the captanicy due to injury, and Nazir lost his place in the side for the S.A series in Pakistan when Saeed was captain. Wasim was made captain for the next series against the W.I. and he recalled Nazir back to the side. Then Wasim lost the captaincy, and guess what: Nazir lose his place in the side.

The next time Nazir was required was again when Wasim got back the captaincy for the India tour. Nazir played an Asian Test Championship match and was RECALLED to LOIs squad for trips to India and Sharjah.

Wasim would not captain for much longer, and that is when Nazir was dropped totally.

So there can be no doubt Wasim backed him more than any other captain.

[Schiller]

waisay didnt know you entertained such thoughts about wasim marooned, im deeply wounded :))
off to bari you go

[tahaqureshi]

wats the score?

[Officer Barbrady]

You can't blame the faults of other bowlers on Wasim and Waqar. You can tell the young bowlers what they should be doing, but it ultimatly comes down to the bowlers themselves. What they do with advice is down to them.

I agree. I have not blaming them but I don't think it's fair to say that they provided us with heaps of bowlers and Shoaib didn't.

We are not saying that Wasim and Waqar PROVIDED us with the fast bowlers. The guided and groomed the youngsters. Thus the yiungsters became better bowlers and peformed well. Shoaib hasn't beared the torch. Thats the bottom line

Keeping Shoaib and his talents aside, I can't think of a fast bowler who has been groomed by Wasim/Waqar who has had considerable success in test cricket. Can you?

[Schiller]

ive said it before that instead of people suggesting wasim should be coach, id rather he was hired as a selector for the bowling dept

[octavian]

waisay didnt know you entertained such thoughts about wasim marooned, im deeply wounded :))
off to bari you go

:))) :)))

[Amjid Javed]

latest --> India 222/2

400 likely here atleast by close off play

[Schiller]

marooned, it has to be noted that the bowler's progress depends on the bowler not his mentor

[KB]

"I can't think of a fast bowler who has been groomed by Wasim/Waqar who has had considerable success in test cricket."

That says more about the bowlers, than it does about Wasim and Waqar.

[Schiller]

great minds think alike ggm :P

[KB]

No one in the W.I. blames Ambrose and Walsh for the current plight of the W.I. bowlers.

[octavian]

i already gave you the list marooned. Do u want it again ??

Some people got injured. Wasim lost his captaincy quite frequently. and some bowlers were ignored when he was not there.

Imran also backed a lot of bowlers but only 2, WAsim and Waqar proved to be world class. You can not produce and army of fast bowlers.

what you can do is make the available players effective. thats exactly what the 2 W's did. Answer this if you can why there has been a sudden decline in out fast bowling resources since the 2 W's retired ?????

We only have one world calss fast bowlers Shoaib, Who by hus own words, learnt bowling from Wasim!!

[tahaqureshi]

y sti'n' rifida ourbthg niot het ktacta?

[Sage]

I don't know tahai, Inzi should've brought him in a while ago

[Schiller]

Inzi hasnt used afridi, a mistake

[Pax]

One thing that Wasim would've done is bowled a few overs with afridi...

[tahaqureshi]

afridi is like one of those partnership breakers..we nede him now..before these two get too comfy..especially shewag

[MIG]

y sti'n' rifida ourbthg niot het ktacta?

good point....I totally agree... ;//

[octavian]

Wasim was the best Captain Pakistan has produced after Imran. No doubt .

[Officer Barbrady]

"I can't think of a fast bowler who has been groomed by Wasim/Waqar who has had considerable success in test cricket."

That says more about the bowlers, than it does about Wasim and Waqar.

You guys are missing the point here. Octa said Wasim/Waqar had groomed fast bowlers for Pakistan while Shoaib is the one who didn't. I replied that I don't see many fast bowlers left behind by Wasim/Waqar and it is unfair to blame Shoaib (for everything under the sun). This is not a criticism of either.

[tahaqureshi]

wat u don't get it MIG? i was just trying to spur some curiosity while this match is headed for a draw

[octavian]

232-2.. Things not looking good

[KB]

Yes I would not blame Shoaib for the current situation of Pakistani bowlers either.

[tahaqureshi]

i jumbled up the words -_-

[tahaqureshi]

afridi in

[Hydro]

afridi gone for 4 off shewag

[Sage]

You jumbled up the letters. Pulled a Noman there, did ya

[Officer Barbrady]

i already gave you the list marooned. Do u want it again ??

What list? I don't see one successful test fast bowler other than Shoaib.

Some people got injured. Wasim lost his captaincy quite frequently. and some bowlers were ignored when he was not there.Imran also backed a lot of bowlers but only 2, WAsim and Waqar proved to be world class. You can not produce and army of fast bowlers.

good point. Why do you blame Shoaib then who wasn't even captain?

what you can do is make the available players effective. thats exactly what the 2 W's did. Answer this if you can why there has been a sudden decline in out fast bowling resources since the 2 W's retired ?????

Because they were the bowlers and have retired. Also, I think the decline started much before they retired in test cricket. Shoaib was the only bowler we relied on since 2000.

[tahaqureshi]

really? i did a Noman and didn't even realise it, wat is this world coming to.. :))

[161]

sami was bowling so well- why did inzi take him out?

[octavian]

Marooned u r missing the point actually.

Wasim and Waqar had learnt a lot from imran. When they were playing they were noy only masters themselves but also the guided the youngsters very well. In doing so they passed on the legacy.

Shoaib is the only world class bowler we rigth now. He owes a lot of his success to the guidance of 2 W's. Sadly he doesn't do the same . Take responsibiloity, guide youngsters and be a role model. As were Imran and after that the 2 W's.

In his presence all the youngsters seem clueless. Same was not the case when 2 W's were around. After Imran left us with the 2 W's. 2 W's left us with Shoaib. Will shoiab groom someone??? No!!!!

[tahaqureshi]

because kashif, inzi shouldn't tire sami out totally, cuz we will need him later on..when a new batsman comes to the crease or when the current bowlers get tired

[KB]

Goooooooooooooooone!

[Sage]

Yeah!!!!!!!!!

[Hydro]

tendy gooooooooooooone

[Schiller]

whoooo?????????

[Schiller]

yeeeeeehawwwwwwwww!!!!

afridi Breaksthruuuuuuuu

[KB]

Get sami back into the attack and target VVS's pads with reverse in-swing.

[Schiller]

afridi gets him once again

[Sage]

Laxman...quite a surprise there.

[Schiller]

lets get laxman soon!!

wheres the great ganguly?

[the true passionist]

Marooned u r missing the point actually.

Wasim and Waqar had learnt a lot from imran. When they were playing they were noy only masters themselves but also the guided the youngsters very well. In doing so they passed on the legacy.

Shoaib is the only world class bowler we rigth now. He owes a lot of his success to the guidance of 2 W's. Sadly he doesn't do the same . Take responsibiloity, guide youngsters and be a role model. As were Imran and after that the 2 W's.

In his presence all the youngsters seem clueless. Same was not the case when 2 W's were around. After Imran left us with the 2 W's. 2 W's left us with Shoaib. Will shoiab groom someone??? No!!!!

very sensible observation!!!!
seniority requres much more than a demand for captaincy..

[Pax]

Afridi should bowl a ful toss to vvvs

[Hydro]

(very very special) laxman in

[tahaqureshi]

this is when we need sami

he hit vvs last time..he needs to unnerve him now too

[octavian]

Need a forward short leg for Laxman

[161]

should be sami and afridi now against vvs laxative man

[Officer Barbrady]

Marooned u r missing the point actually.

Wasim and Waqar had learnt a lot from imran. When they were playing they were noy only masters themselves but also the guided the youngsters very well. In doing so they passed on the legacy.

Shoaib is the only world class bowler we rigth now. He owes a lot of his success to the guidance of 2 W's. Sadly he doesn't do the same . Take responsibiloity, guide youngsters and be a role model. As were Imran and after that the 2 W's.

In his presence all the youngsters seem clueless. Same was not the case when 2 W's were around. After Imran left us with the 2 W's. 2 W's left us with Shoaib. Will shoiab groom someone??? No!!!!

Shoaib was a huge talent who comes about once in a while and I think he would have made it whether or not the Ws were around. What makes you think Sami (the only bowler to consistently play for Pakistan since Wc 2003) wants to be 'groomed' by Shoaib? Who else can he groom? Asif who played once before disappearing? Or Riaz who played a game? Khalil? And do they even have the talent?

Had Shabbir and Gul not been injured and had continued success would you credit Shoaib for them?

Btw for your info Shoaib is supposed to be Irshad's 'mentor'.

[tahaqureshi]

this should be kaneria's last over

[Sage]

Damn my feed!

[161]

nooo sami !!! inzi are u doing ???

i want to see sami come in and bowl some yorkers to get laxman and gangs out quickly.

[octavian]

Marooned u r missing the point actually.

Wasim and Waqar had learnt a lot from imran. When they were playing they were noy only masters themselves but also the guided the youngsters very well. In doing so they passed on the legacy.

Shoaib is the only world class bowler we rigth now. He owes a lot of his success to the guidance of 2 W's. Sadly he doesn't do the same . Take responsibiloity, guide youngsters and be a role model. As were Imran and after that the 2 W's.

In his presence all the youngsters seem clueless. Same was not the case when 2 W's were around. After Imran left us with the 2 W's. 2 W's left us with Shoaib. Will shoiab groom someone??? No!!!!

Shoaib was a huge talent who comes about once in a while and I think he would have made it whether or not the Ws were around. What makes you think Sami (the only bowler to consistently play for Pakistan since Wc 2003) wants to be 'groomed' by Shoaib? Who else can he groom? Asif who played once before disappearing? Or Riaz who played a game? Khalil? And do they even have the talent?

Had Shabbir and Gul not been injured and had continued success would you credit Shoaib for them?

Btw for your info Shoaib is supposed to be Irshad's 'mentor'.

I can guarantee you that If same had played under 2 W's or Imran , he would have been a class act by now. Go watch Samis bowling clips when he was playing under Waqar.

Who is Irshad ? The gus not even in "A" team yet.

[badxhah]

Sanjay Manjrekar = Afridi fastest ball is equal to average speed of Irfan Pathan -124 ks

[Amjid Javed]

gangukys still hiding hey?

[KB]

This is a superb innings from Sehwag. Played some incredible shots.

[161]

Sanjay Manjrekar = Afridi fastest ball is equal to average speed of Irfan Pathan -124 ks



:)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

quote of the series

[tahaqureshi]

Sanjay Manjrekar = wierd = blind = pathan lover = jealous = saying that

[Amjid Javed]

i can see shewag getting a triple ton here....

[Officer Barbrady]

Sami did play under Waqar with similar results to what he has now. Secondly, I believe he considers Shoaib his rival thus there is no way Shoaib can be blamed for not 'grooming' him. It is more the current tendency to put all the blame - for everything under the sun - on Shoaib Akhter.

Irshad isn't in the A team and that is Shoaib's fault too?

[tahaqureshi]

i can't..the remaining batsmen can't support..Inshallah vvs and gaaaangoooli will get out soon

[octavian]

We need Sami back in the atttck now

[KB]

Oooh, this is a testing over from Arshad

[PakPassionate]

Afridi does really well to keep up his reputation as partnership breaker....
have been really very rare moments when he was called for the job and was unable to break a well set partnership....

[161]

yep afridi always seems to get key wickets at key points of the match- thats why he is so valuable as a bowler !!

[catwoman]

Damn it...why do I always fall asleep?! [smilie=69.gif]

[octavian]

Damn it...why do I always fall asleep?! [smilie=69.gif]

:))

[catwoman]

Damn it...why do I always fall asleep?! [smilie=69.gif]

:))

Not funny. I missed Inzi and Younis in this test and Afridi in the previous one. :(-

[nufc]

wow you should be the coach of pakistan!

[Rob H]

how many balls did it take sehwag to get his 100?

[octavian]

you only have yourself to blame mona. I was imaging you fell asleep with your mouth open in fron of the tv, which usually is the case with people who fall asleep accidentally :P

[Amjid Javed]

hopefully this is samis last ever test match... despite some good effort hes simply not good enuf!

[Sage]

AJ, who would you suggest replacing Sami with?

[Officer Barbrady]

We have Khalil waiting...with Asif and Riaz Afridi

[Sage]

Ah Marooned, completely forgot about our abundant reserves.

To hell with Sami, I say!

[161]

idk why inzi isn't bringing sami back in- arshad isn't looking like he's gonna get a wicket !!

[Amjid Javed]

AJ, who would you suggest replacing Sami with?

Name Mat O M R W Best Ave Econ SR 5 10
Sami 21 754.3 129 2597 54 5-36 48.09 3.44 83.8 2 0

akthar, shabbir and gul will be fit soon

id even give shahid nazir ago in tests...

21 test and an average of nearly 50 is *****... sami shud neva play agen!

also this hes not be guided, hes been unlucky bakwas doesnt wash with me...

[Officer Barbrady]

Also, our fast swing bowler with the incredible bouncer - Azhar Mahmood Sagar - is preparing himself to take the new ball in tests with Razzak. WI and England beware!

[MIG]

Also, our fast swing bowler with the incredible bouncer - Azhar Mahmood Sagar - is preparing himself to take the new ball in tests with Razzak. WI and England beware!

I cant stand Marooned in that mood....

[badxhah]

Its a Must to For Arshad khan to give one boundry per over,,,

[Sage]

AJ, Akhtar will never be fit :))

Gul, Shabbir perhaps but we lack a bowler with firepower, and perhaps we've exhalted these two a bit much because of the poor quality of their replacements.

[adi 101]

yes people i am back to do the comentry just woke up lol

[Officer Barbrady]

Also, our fast swing bowler with the incredible bouncer - Azhar Mahmood Sagar - is preparing himself to take the new ball in tests with Razzak. WI and England beware!

I cant stand Marooned in that mood....

Hmm ok Shoaib is not wanted. Sami's neck is said to be on the line. Gul and Shabbir will take their time. So, will it be the Gifted (for left-handers only that too on a good day) or the menacing all-rounders?

[adi 101]

true that sage

[Sage]

Also AJ, Umar has been posting quite a bit more frequently than you. Do you feel threatened? India acts like he wants to be ranked #1 :)))

[Schiller]

another spelling sage :((

[catwoman]

another spelling sage :((

"A" should be capitalized and a comma is needed between the words "spelling" and "sage", which should also begin with a capital "S", Webster. :D