Defending the Indefensible - ICC on HAIR!

[MIG]

Malcolm Speed continues to defend Hair on Sky News -

He finds nothing sinister in Hairs offer, he doesnt see anything strange in his offer to take money to resign and yield his "principled" position ! He doesnt even feel strange that he withdrew his offer when told that the PCB would hear about it !

Is there anything more that Hair and his cronies can do to harm International Cricket ?

[Big Daddy]

What makes Speed untouchable in the ICC, of the very few who are supporting Hair on this issue , is it a wonder that one who matters and who is , is an australian himself.

[KB]

Speed's conduct has been a total disgrace. Given his position, he should have been impartial, instead he has consistently supported Hair, as if he was totally innocent of any wrong-doing.

[shan]

Speed said on sky news that that there is evidence but it's not video footage :)))

i am sure they delayed hearing to work on photoshop :))

[MIG]

Add to that "he wrote the email under stress"

Well the full text has been posted above - its immaculately formatted, no spelling errors - seems VERY WELL THOUGHTOUT !!

Very stressful indeed !

[Big Daddy]

miggy, hair only has 2 years in his contract and he is seeking compensation for 4 years of lost pay? talk about roobish

[Somali Pirate]

MIG, hair is done and dusted.He knows it and the icc knows that:)

[MIG]

Yaar- they know if they drop him - he will burn them alive - Pls note that we dont know HALF of the things these people have talked about amongst themselves !

[Big Daddy]

MIG, hair is done and dusted.He knows it and the icc knows that:)

apparently the person who matters the most in this matter doesnt, ala speedo

[Big Daddy]

Yaar- they know if they drop him - he will burn them alive - Pls note that we dont know HALF of the things these people have talked about amongst themselves !

yeah coz the letter does begin with the notion, to extend on our conversation prior.........



p.s. miggy its a request, for today turn the abuse filter off

[Somali Pirate]

Yaar- they know if they drop him - he will burn them alive - Pls note that we dont know HALF of the things these people have talked about amongst themselves !


remember, the icc said they cannot guarantee hair being an employee come sept

[Somali Pirate]

apparently the person who matters the most in this matter doesnt, ala speedo

BD,

inzi will be cleared of ball tampering and that will finish the clown and his master

[MIG]

Yaar - just look at the TV screen and swear as much you like - apna imaan kiyon kharab kartay ho post kar kay !

[Big Daddy]

BD,

inzi will be cleared of ball tampering and that will finish the clown and his master

inzi isnt even accused of ball tampering , biggest qs to ask is, why would a batsman tamper with a ball in a dead rubber?

[Somali Pirate]

Yaar - just look at the TV screen and swear as much you like - apna imaan kiyon kharab kartay ho post kar kay !


miggy, can we swear?really?is is this true? has eid come too early? :D

[Daoud]

miggy, can we swear?really?is is this true? has eid come too early? :D
Swear all you want, just not on PP

[Somali Pirate]

inzi isnt even accused of ball tampering , biggest qs to ask is, why would a batsman tamper with a ball in a dead rubber?


they don't have one single person to accuse of Ball Tam'ing so they charge the captain of the team.

[Daoud]

they don't have one single person to accuse of Ball Tam'ing so they charge the captain of the team.
But despite that they seem to have evidence.

[MIG]

miggy, can we swear?really?is is this true? has eid come too early? :D

To test your swearing filter at home:

1. Place picture of Hair in front
2. Shout as many swear words as possible ( as loudly as possible)
3. put pic back in a safe place for later use
4. Relax and take normal position in front of PC
5. Continue typing regular polite messages on PP !

[MIG]

Question is : Can the main culprit in the ball tampering row - ie Hair be trusted to provide any evidence ? Why should Pakistan accept ANYTHING that this despicable extortionist has to say ?

[Somali Pirate]

But despite that they seem to have evidence.
i am skeptical.the media in this country are just wolves who will jump at any chance at ruining pakistan's image.

It would have been released by now. The very fact that they are charging inzi shows that they have no evidence of any pak player cheating.



still we can wait and see but don't hold your breath

[Big Daddy]

Question is : Can the main culprit in the ball tampering row - ie Hair be trusted to provide any evidence ? Why should Pakistan accept ANYTHING that this despicable extortionist has to say ?


all said and done but credit to hair for bringing down ( exposing ) speed's bias also :14:

[Somali Pirate]

To test your swearing filter at home:

1. Place picture of Hair in front
2. Shout as many swear words as possible ( as loudly as possible)
3. put pic back in a safe place for later use
4. Relax and take normal position in front of PC5. Continue typing regular polite messages on PP !

:)
My mother already thinks i am a loose canon. I think a trip to the asylum centre is inevitable

[Mercenary]

Speed and the ICC's behavioue has been a complete disgrace throughout this whole affair.

Hair is allowed to switch his principles on and off ut Inzi isn't allowed to have any?

Hair was under stress but Inzi wasn't?

[MIG]

Did Hair and ICC only talk in emails ? What else was said ? This has to be the worst cover up in the history of Cricket ! Who will police the policeman ? PCB must demand an independent inquiry into the inner workings of the ICC.

Why does the email start with "firm up what we talked about" ....was this discussed and agreed between Doug and then Malcolm overturned it ?

[W63L35]

Malocm Speed said; "He was seeking to find a solution that was in the interests of the game."

So, he was asking for $500K in the interests of the game. Alright!

What respect will have when he steps on the cricket field next time...if he ever does??

[Daoud]

Malocm Speed said; "He was seeking to find a solution that was in the interests of the game."

So, he was asking for $500K in the interests of the game. Alright!

What respect will have when he steps on the cricket field next time...if he ever does??
What bollox. Or maybe they know more than we do :16:

[Billy]

Percy Sonn was just on Sky Sports and he did say that Hair's position may be untenable as a consequence of his actions.

I'd wait a bit before condeming the ICC, events are still on going afterall... they may just be trying to avoid putting their foot in it like Hair did!

[MIG]

Billy - I understand that but they are the main defenders of Hairs honour - they should burn if he does !

[Dodgy Umpire]

I wonder if and how much Duncan Fletcher offered Hair to ensure Eng don't lose. Otherwise, his sudden interest in the ball doesn't add up...

[W63L35]

Billy - I understand that but they are the main defenders of Hairs honour - they should burn if he does !

MIG.....another way to look at it is.......
The reason ICC keeps defending him is becuase they are his employers. You know, in this day and age, employers have to be extra careful and extreamly politically correct about they say about their emplyees....otherwise anything said can be held against the employers.

I think, until we see the END of this whole saga, I am willing to give ICC a benefit of doubt.

Having said that.......I think, ICC deserves what they are getting. When Pakistan asked them not to appoint Hair; why did they?

Plus, we may have just seen the START of a huge drama/saga or whatever you want to call it. I am sure, Hair is NOT going to let it die/finish/end pretty soon. Hair will keep it alive for the sake of his book, paid tv/paper/magazine interview and other money making ventures. I'll be shocked if Hair goes out quitely!

[MIG]

The Sky Sports correspondent is wondering if a charge of "bringing the game into disrepute" can now be levelled on Hair !!

Just loving this....ALLAH nay sun lee hamari duain !

[W63L35]

The Sky Sports correspondent is wondering if a charge of "bringing the game into disrepute" can now be levelled on Hair !!

Just loving this....ALLAH nay sun lee hamari duain !

Hey, why wouldn't Allah listen to us?? This is one of the VERY FEW times when the WHOLE nation had ONE and ONLY ONE opinion!!!! :D :D

[KB]

"He was seeking to find a solution that was in the interests of the game."

What a splendid chap this Darrell Hair is.

[jafrioh]

I wonder if and how much Duncan Fletcher offered Hair to ensure Eng don't lose. Otherwise, his sudden interest in the ball doesn't add up...

I agree, there might be something much bigger that is trying to be covered up, why would Hair send an email ransom/blackmail note if he had nothing to blackmail, maybe he was asked to make sure England won(thus hyping up the Ashes once again--Australian connection) and when he did something without evidence, he probably knew there wasn't much backing even in the ICC and thus he sent this letter, this is going to get really messy

[KB]

Speed has also said today, in respect of there being no vidoe evidence of ball tampering:

"The jails would be empty if we had to rely on video evidence to prove any crime."

It seems to be clear that Speed thinks Pakistan are guilty and Hair innocent. It is disgraceful to see Speed - given his position as chief executive - making such public pronouncements.

On numerous occassions he has defended Hair. Never has he defended Pakistan.

[iZeeshan]

Speed is finding so many loopholes because of his power. He is absolutely pathetic.

[MIG]

Ok based on above -

To go:

Hair, Speed, Zaheer Abbas


May stay ( based on conduct in the next few weeks):

SK

[Usman Chadda]

Speed has also said today, in respect of there being no vidoe evidence of ball tampering:

"The jails would be empty if we had to rely on video evidence to prove any crime."

It seems to be clear that Speed thinks Pakistan are guilty and Hair innocent. It is disgraceful to see Speed - given his position as chief executive - making such public pronouncements.

On numerous occassions he has defended Hair. Never has he defended Pakistan.

Do the other members of the ICC have any powar so that they can remove him from the ICC aswell? That way two incompetent officials would be removed and Cricket would be a much better sport. Looneys like Speed have had the game in their contrtol far too long I think!

[Amjid Javed]

Speed has also said today, in respect of there being no vidoe evidence of ball tampering:

"The jails would be empty if we had to rely on video evidence to prove any crime."


speed seems to do one thing well which is talk ****, god knows how he has the postion he has!

[Sabika]

"The jails would be empty if we had to rely on video evidence to prove any crime."

It seems to be clear that Speed thinks Pakistan are guilty and Hair innocent. It is disgraceful to see Speed - given his position as chief executive - making such public pronouncements.

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yeah and he seems to forget that no where in the world will he find 26 cameras point in every direction. he has made a stupid comment :12: obviously you cant find video evidence for every crime but this "crime" took place in an area with 26 cameras at all angles. :10: :29: theyre trying to wriggle out of this

[Gasherbrum]

can someone find the dancing thread? celebration time, come on!

if Hair had any credible evidence he wouldn't have tried to back out with that compensation demand. if Malcolm Speed had any credible evidence, he wouldn't have entertained such discussions with Hair nor would he have released the emails to the public. The ICC don't want to look like the bad guys anymore and they have conveniently put the spotlight on Hair. It would've been very easy to find Inzi guilty and shifted all the blame on Pakistan, but I guess they know themselves that won't be possible.


Isn't this great? on the one hand we have our captain fighting for the honour of his mates, willing to be suspended on their behalf just as long as they're not labelled cheats, while on the other we have a money hungry beghairat.

[MediumPacer]

I am wondering why Speed made Hair's e-mail public when it was meant to be confidential.

[Uzzy]

I am wondering why Speed made Hair's e-mail public when it was meant to be confidential.

That is the $500,000 question!

[Gasherbrum]

to make him (not them) the bad guy.

[shan]

I am wondering why Speed made Hair's e-mail public when it was meant to be confidential.

simple

he said that PCB already had a letter so it was better to be reveled by ICC then Pakistan :)

[the SHA]

Quote:
"He was seeking to find a solution that was in the interests of the game."



What a splendid chap this Darrell Hair is.


HAHAHAHA!

[Slugger]

after hair is destroyed let's go after malcolm speed

[Ilyas]

Didn't you see Hair wrote he is resident of U.K. for the past 3 Years...

How come he is considered Neutral Umpire by ICC in an England Vs Pakistan Game ?

We need to see a strong stance by PCB on this...

[Majid Khan]

"He was seeking to find a solution that was in the interests of the game."

:14:

Malcolm Speed's lines today were reminiscent of that famous speech by Marc Anthony in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar - "Friends, Romans, Countrymen, lend me your ears!"

As Marc Anthony said time and again ;"Brutus is an honourable man" -- :13:

[W63L35]

I am wondering why Speed made Hair's e-mail public when it was meant to be confidential.

It has been reported.....

ICC/Speed HAD to show this e-mail to PCB since PCB is a party in this row which could go to the courts. Now, when ICC was advised to share it with PCB, they thought it woulod be better to make it public via Speed than leaking it through PCB.

[MediumPacer]

good point. I guess it was a compulsion then. Lawyers must have advised him (speed) to save his own back. And then he tries to put a positive spin on the whole affair to apologetically butter-up Hair. This is now turning into a Soap.

[KB]

Another thing is that annoys me about Speed is, that he defends Hair's actions on the grounds that it was a difficult time for him.

Well when Hair accused Pakistan of tampering with the ball, it was a difficult time for Inzamam. So is Speed going to issue a statement defending Inzamam's refusal to come out after tea?

Even now we see double standards.

The media needs to focus more on Malcolm Speed. He has been partial and before any inquiry has been conducted he had made it clear whom he thinks is the villain. As the cheif executive he needed to be dispassionate and impartial.

Speed should consider his position, and if he is unwilling than others should call for him to resign.

[iafzal]

Not sure what Hair was thinking writing this letter, being a ex-lawyer he should be aware of the implications. I guess he counted on Speed not to reveal it to public. He may have considered him more on his side then he really is. Speed had no choice but to go public as he cannot risk it being discovered later, just imagine what that would be like for ICC and cricket... Speed is just trying to save his on hide in this saga.

[BD-fan]

BD,

inzi will be cleared of ball tampering and that will finish the clown and his master
May the rose petals shower on your face. I fear for the worse because of Mr. Speed and his affiliation. And there is Gavaskar and Madugalle. I am not sure if Madugalle can act on his own.

[Amir]

The fact that he wanted the money so soon suggests he was trying to get his money and run before all the evidence became clear. Seems like he was lieing.

[MIG]

:14:

Malcolm Speed's lines today were reminiscent of that famous speech by Marc Anthony in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar - "Friends, Romans, Countrymen, lend me your ears!"

As Marc Anthony said time and again ;"Brutus is an honourable man" -- :13:

And then they stabbed him in the back and Hair said - "et tu ICC ?"

[Bilsher007]

Asalaam alikum Wr Wb Brothers;

ALLAH nay shab-e-miraj ki raat ki duahain kabool kerli, Alhamdolillah ! Justice has been done the conspiracy and conspirators hair and ICC have been exposed. Pakistan team is proven innocent.