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kablooee87
9th September 2006, 03:00
Throughout this ODI series I have noticed that the Pakistan bowlers have gotten more and more confident about themselves. That's great to see. The problem is, increasingly, I have seen bowlers making gestures towards the batsman after they get them out. Asif, after removing KP, comes to mind.

Remembering back to Australia 2004 when Shoaib Akhtar was disciplined after he showed an Australian batsman the way back to the pavilion, I don't see why some cases here are different. Rana did the same thing in the 3rd ODI of this series.

I know this board is getting more and more "rara go Pakistan" so I don't know what the response will be but I have been disappointed with our bowlers' attitudes in this area.

Thoughts?

PS: Please, none of this 'well the other side does it so why can't we' BS. If you think the other side is wrong for doing it, then our side is wrong for doing it.

Pathan007
9th September 2006, 04:12
it's good. it brings excitement to the game. once u get a batsman out a bowler should've every right to show whatever signal to him.

Officer Barbrady
9th September 2006, 04:31
I see nothing wrong with players being shown the pavilion.

They are professional cricketers and should be able to take some heat.

Officer Barbrady
9th September 2006, 04:32
One of the reasons I bring this up is because a lot of people get offended at the littlest thing players from other countries do.

Dead right. Not just offended, they curiously develop personal vendettas.

akpower
9th September 2006, 05:27
Throughout this ODI series I have noticed that the Pakistan bowlers have gotten more and more confident about themselves. That's great to see. The problem is, increasingly, I have seen bowlers making gestures towards the batsman after they get them out. Asif, after removing KP, comes to mind.

Remembering back to Australia 2004 when Shoaib Akhtar was disciplined after he showed an Australian batsman the way back to the pavilion, I don't see why some cases here are different. Rana did the same thing in the 3rd ODI of this series.

I know this board is getting more and more "rara go Pakistan" so I don't know what the response will be but I have been disappointed with our bowlers' attitudes in this area.

Thoughts?

PS: Please, none of this 'well the other side does it so why can't we' BS. If you think the other side is wrong for doing it, then our side is wrong for doing it.

This is not kids playing. I like the "controlled aggression" in a game. Either it be for or against Pakistan.

Usman Chadda
9th September 2006, 05:31
Adds a little 'spice' to the game. Nothing wrong in being aggressive on the field

kablooee87
9th September 2006, 05:34
i have no problem with showing aggression after taking a wicket but actually showing off is going too far. There is obviously a line that shouldn't be crossed.

kablooee87
9th September 2006, 05:37
This is not kids playing. I like the "controlled aggression" in a game. Either it be for or against Pakistan.

I look at it the opposite way. Kids playing cricket could be expected to act like that....not professional cricketers.

cornelius
9th September 2006, 05:54
How old are you?

::J such a typical response. just because u might not agree with the guy doesnt mean hes probably a six year old.

Hash
9th September 2006, 14:30
I love it!

I think they should do it after every wicket.

Jimmy two-times
9th September 2006, 14:40
On the pitch we need to get away from this 'well played old chap' nonsense, I love it when batsmen are given send offs and when batsmen give lip to fielders like younis did to collingwood.

If only we could show the same aggressive streak in fielding as we do when we givie send offs to people like pieterson we would be the best team in the world.

evertonfan
9th September 2006, 14:55
I'm not bothered how a wicket is celebrated s it is up to the bowlers and the fielders on how to to it. The only problem I have with is it is that some get punished and some don't. Consistency needs to be in place and if one gets punished, then so should another who commits the same crime. I remember Asif showing KP the pavillion in either the first or second ODI, and that's fine and I think there's nothing wrong with it, but I remeber Simon Jones being fined half of his match fee for something very similar against Matthew Hayden, and yet Asif didn't recieve any form of punishment. In summary, I don't mind how a bowler celebrates a wicket, just as long as the ramifications are consistent.

infamous9383
9th September 2006, 14:56
bowlers these days have nothing to intimidate batsman with so showing little bit of emotions is not too bad

smoothcriminal
9th September 2006, 15:28
I must admit our bowlers do get cocky once too often after taking a wicket, thats all I have to say about that.

kablooee87
9th September 2006, 16:45
I'm not bothered how a wicket is celebrated s it is up to the bowlers and the fielders on how to to it. The only problem I have with is it is that some get punished and some don't. Consistency needs to be in place and if one gets punished, then so should another who commits the same crime. I remember Asif showing KP the pavillion in either the first or second ODI, and that's fine and I think there's nothing wrong with it, but I remeber Simon Jones being fined half of his match fee for something very similar against Matthew Hayden, and yet Asif didn't recieve any form of punishment. In summary, I don't mind how a bowler celebrates a wicket, just as long as the ramifications are consistent.

Akhtar was also fined for showing Hayden the pavalion. :13:

Easa
9th September 2006, 16:50
I love it!

I think they should do it after every wicket.

My sentiments exactly.

MWH
9th September 2006, 18:36
ALL FOR IT! Its a competitive sport, emotions run high, and players should be able to express themselves. But of course if you dish it out, be prepared to cop it back, and so we shouldn't complain next time an opposing bowler gives directions to one of our batsmen.

akram_rejuvinated
9th September 2006, 18:54
more than half my wickets are gained by enducing anger or rage in the batsman and forcing him to become aggressive against the flow of the game. and hence, commit errors that an otherwise sedated, cautious batsman would not commit.

i think its absolutely alright to sledge, during the game, or after the batsman has been sent packing. if a batsman responds to a snide remark about his mother and fellatio, and resports to callous shot selection then he does not have the gobbles to play at the highest level.

i say let it be open season. that would rubbish all the crap about white players getting of easy, or racism etc. i want to go out there and call ricky ponting a drunk cracka. or shane warne and pudgy closet homo... or call inzi an aloo...

iZeeshan
9th September 2006, 19:07
I don't see what the problem is with the actions. When you get someone out, you should have all the right to do whatever as long its not physical. THat's like saying that soccer players shouldn't be allowed to take their shirts off after a goal or a wide reciever not being allowed to celebrate after a touch down. These things add more fun to the game, and there can mever be too many vendettas in a sport. You need them because that add the fun to the game.

Hussain
9th September 2006, 19:08
no boy wants a dull duel .........do we???

its okay for the bowlers to give a piece of their mind to batsmen after they have gotten them out ..........after all the game 's rules are in batsmens favour .....bowlers do deserve some respite to vent their anger

but no one should be allowed to get too carried away with that ..and the abuse should not be too personal or related to some ones family member
or the scenes like Ziddane - Matterrazi will also happen in cricket