There is still some hope for Shoaib....

[PlanetPakistan]

Doctor T Razaq sounds very confident....so have a look at these articles

http://www.mail-archive.com/t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu/msg11302.html
Also.....
"The findings of a University of Aberdeen study suggest a combination of legal dietary supplements and exercise can result in a positive nandrolone test."

" An Aberdeen University study suggests that they may have a point. According to that, consumption of dietary supplements in conjunction with heavy physical training can result in the athlete returning a positive test for Nandrolone. As with many drugs, including THG that was involved in the infamous BALCO case, our knowledge is far from comprehensive. And as long as that remains the case, the protestations of innocence from those caught may just have a ring of truth to them."

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/iccct2006/content/current/story/263266.html

They are also calling the professors from 3 universities who will show their study to the PCB to help Shoaib and Asif's case!

[PlanetPakistan]

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[Hash]

Why didn't they do this before?

[waqar_ahmad]

Why didn't they do this before?

may be coz the PCB wanted to reach a decision in a hurry and the players or their lawyers were not given ample time to prepare their case properly

[infamous9383]

Why didn't they do this before?


not everyone is as smart as Planet Pakistan

[allrounder]

Great news atleast WE can hope !

[Hash]

not everyone is as smart as Planet Pakistan

I'm smarter than most people on PakPassion. Planet Pakistan is pretty smart too......has a sensible head screwed on his shoulders which is rare for this website.

[PlanetPakistan]

not everyone is as smart as Planet Pakistan
:)) ...lately you have been quite funny....

[sajad mohammed]

Doctor T Razaq sounds very confident....so have a look at these articles

http://www.mail-archive.com/t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu/msg11302.html
Also.....
"The findings of a University of Aberdeen study suggest a combination of legal dietary supplements and exercise can result in a positive nandrolone test."

" An Aberdeen University study suggests that they may have a point. According to that, consumption of dietary supplements in conjunction with heavy physical training can result in the athlete returning a positive test for Nandrolone. As with many drugs, including THG that was involved in the infamous BALCO case, our knowledge is far from comprehensive. And as long as that remains the case, the protestations of innocence from those caught may just have a ring of truth to them."

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/iccct2006/content/current/story/263266.html

They are also calling the professors from 3 universities who will show their study to the PCB to help Shoaib and Asif's case!
good news bro, we've got some hope inshallah the'yll be back for the world cup and win it :19:

[in_cutter]

That ARTICLE on cricinfo is dated Oct 16th...too late now

[Lightning]

I can't believe something of this nature wasn't used in the original appeal.

EDIT: Oh, the article is dated. :(

[SUPERSAMI]

Didn't the tribunal find that the amount of nandrolone in Shoaib's body was impossible to produce endogenously? I don't think with that argument he has any chance.

[Genghis]

I thought they had the option to argue this case, which would mean another urine test, but they declined. Wasn't that part of the long PCB report.

[Momo]

Lets forget about it guys and move on.
Asif is out for a year and Shoaib's career is over. The earlier you get over it the better.

It must have been love,
But its over now,
It must have been good,
But I lost it somehow.

[the_love_machine]

The mystery has been solved. Now we know why Asif has had such an amazing first 2 years into international cricket, and why Akhtar has been so lethal his whole career.....lol jkjkjk. Anyways, If Shoaib appeals and has his ban reduced to 6 months or one year, he may still have one year left of being an express bowler.....right?

[Jonty]

the key is the world cup, they need to make it to the World Cup!!

[the true passionist]

The mystery has been solved. Now we know why Asif has had such an amazing first 2 years into international cricket, and why Akhtar has been so lethal his whole career.....lol jkjkjk. Anyways, If Shoaib appeals and has his ban reduced to 6 months or one year, he may still have one year left of being an express bowler.....right?

yes, you must be joking...No drugs can make you pitch the ball in the right place, and then swing it both ways. Drugs only help in express pace which Asif doesn't posses. It has not been his key to success.

[UJ]

Lets forget about it guys and move on.
Asif is out for a year and Shoaib's career is over. The earlier you get over it the better.


Not really. There is significant precedence with nandrolone cases that has seen the athlete cleared of the charges. So there is some hope, though admittedly it is rather slim.

[the true passionist]

Lets forget about it guys and move on.
Asif is out for a year and Shoaib's career is over. The earlier you get over it the better.

It must have been love,
But its over now,
It must have been good,
But I lost it somehow.

i did make my mind to get over it and feel like both are under long term injury....in akhtar's case he may never recover.

but these media/sports commentators keep saying stuff that once again give me hope...this is much more painful especially because of the timing.

[Momo]

i did make my mind to get over it and feel like both are under long term injury....in akhtar's case he may never recover.

but these media/sports commentators keep saying stuff that once again give me hope...this is much more painful especially because of the timing.

your initial resolve was correct. dont let these so called experts make you change your mind.
there is a lot of stupid talk like urine samples not very accurate when it comes to this substance etc etc. after both asif and shoaib refused to give another sample, isnt it enough for any sane man to be sure of their guilt?
yes, you may give asif the benefit of doubt (ignorance about these things) but then he was only banned for one year considering this very thing.
what shane warne was caught with was child's play as compared to this substance. he still served one year.
i dont see any problems (or tragedies) in all this affair. for once, pakis managed a problem situation pretty well and it is commendable.
as for indispinsibility, nobody can claim to be indispensible. if only the ability of individual players were a guarantee of success, Pakistan would have won the 99 WC. it is not. it takes more than just individuals to win you something big. a match here or there yes, but a big tournament, no. at the moment pakistan dont deserve to win the WC anyway (shoaib or no shoaib). if they can improve their fielding and get rid of this disease of 120 all out every third time they take the field, they may be contenders but that will take a lot of doing.
lets enjoy the WC and let the best team win! sports is much more than parochialism and patriotism!
pakistan has proved that they will not condone cheating and by doing that they have prevented the great records of players like Imran, Waseem, Waqar and Shoaib himself from being marred. well done.
now lets enjoy fair cricket.
if pakistan were to (God forbid) get knocked out early, i will love to support WI because like pakistan they never play boring cricket. i suspect that this years WC will be a lot of fun even though there are too many minnows participating!
Cheer up!

[Hash]

Momo-

I think you want them to be guilty and you have just closed your mind to anything else. This is highlighted by your point early on that urine samples can be innacurate. Find me one person who has said this and I'll eat my sock. Nobody has said their urine sample would be innacurate. In fact (for the 27 millionth time) there has never been an incorrect positive nandralone test.

The point here is that the charge was that they 'DELIBERATELY took a performance enhancing drug'. What Shoaib and Asif were contesting was not whether or not there was nandrolone in their system (if they were, THEN they should have had their B samples tested) but HOW it got there! (in which case, the B samples are irrelevent).

Out of all the athletes who have been cleared of nandrolone use.....none of them have been cleared because the A sample was wrong. They have been cleared because there has been doubt about the charge of 'DELIBERATE use'..........e.g. sex, red meat, stepping on sharp coral etc are all excuses that have been used with success.

It is known as a matter of fact that certain legal protein drinks when mixed with excercise and dehydration (not against any code as far as I know) can result in a positive nandralone test.

[infamous9383]

Still trying to come with the terms that asif and shaoib won't be in the WC

[zMario]

Well, can we find another Asif?

One of the U-19 WC bowlers will have to come to the West Indies for us to stand a chance of winning..

[PlanetPakistan]

Didn't the tribunal find that the amount of nandrolone in Shoaib's body was impossible to produce endogenously? I don't think with that argument he has any chance.
Dr T Razaq claims that it is possible! In fact they are calling professors from different universities and they will show that it's definitely possible and their 'studies' will be published in the media for all of us to see!

[SUPERSAMI]

Dr T Razaq claims that it is possible! In fact they are calling professors from different universities and they will show that it's definitely possible and their 'studies' will be published in the media for all of us to see!
You expect Dr Razzak to say something different. If the studies show its possible, then Shoaib might have a case.

The evidence that is out currently is clear, both men are guilty. If they can produce evidence to support their claims then i have no problem changing my stance, whether the PCB would is another case.

[PlanetPakistan]

You expect Dr Razzak to say something different. If the studies show its possible, then Shoaib might have a case.

The evidence that is out currently is clear, both men are guilty. If they can produce evidence to support their claims then i have no problem changing my stance, whether the PCB would is another case.
Usman i think we should wait a few days before officially declaring them guilty... Should at least see what the professors bring to the table!

[SUPERSAMI]

Usman i think we should wait a few days before officially declaring them guilty... Should at least see what the professors bring to the table!

Yar my declaration means nothing, the evidence so far and the defense they put up make them look guilty. But where was all this before the hearing, I'm mean at least prepare a proper argument. Shoaib bought so many excuses, but all were weak.

I'm just going by what I know and I don't think their arguments are consistent with people who are 100% innocents. Again if something concrete comes out I have no problem admitting that I'm wrong.

[PlanetPakistan]

Yar my declaration means nothing, the evidence so far and the defense they put up make them look guilty. But where was all this before the hearing, I'm mean at least prepare a proper argument. Shoaib bought so many excuses, but all were weak.

I'm just going by what I know and I don't think their arguments are consistent with people who are 100% innocents. Again if something concrete comes out I have no problem admitting that I'm wrong.

I agree that the argument was quite weak and it seems like they(Shoaib and his lawyers) weren't even prepared for the hearing but after being stung so badly i am sure they will now try to come up with some solid points..