Gibbs, Nel, Hair ...

[MIG]

a proud tradition of bigotted fools who bring nothing but shame to cricket and to their respective countries.

Hair, disguised his dislike for us and others like us by hiding behind laws of cricket. He failed and is now living in disgrace.

Nel, cannot hide his dislike for us - swears openly - just a matter of time before he trips over his own racist tongue and makes a total fool of himself. He looks and reminds me of the worst aspects of South African past and should be dealt with.

And finally...

Gibbs, the man who somehow survived the Cronje betting scandal, is the latest to enter this hall of shame. He stands accused and convicted of a crime that would put most South Africans to shame, ie racist behaviour.

His crime isnt only that he uttered those shameful words, his real crime and those of his team mates and management is that they feel that it should never have been made public - as if its Ok to call Pakistanis by any name they like, as long as its done without anyone knowing about it.

Shame on Gibbs and shame on his supporters - so lets say it, else people will accuse us of being politically correct - lets shout out loud - Gibbs is a racist thug!!! He deserves a little more than a 2 match ban - he deserves our collective disgust - forever.

[the_game]

Gibbs himself is a kallu, I don't know if he realizes that or not.

[Sultan Yusuf]

I wouldn't include Nel in the same league. Nel acts the same all over. In fact, Nel's intensity has finally brought a bit of oomph into the SA attack which seemed dead after Donald's retirement. I don't know about the rest of you, but I love watching Nel bowl, in the era of the metronome it's great to see a bowler try and knock someone's block off.

As for Gibbs, I wouldn't class him in the same league as hair either. He said, what he did and seems like he'll get punished and that's fair enough. After his ban, I will just look at him as "done the crime, done the time".

But Hair is a sneaky, calculated, conniving racist ***************************!

[MIG]

Ghussa to aata hai yaar... and Gibbs has already been pardoned in his involvement in the Cronje scandal. He has done enough to damage cricket - doesnt deserve a break.

Also, I take a dim view of Nels verbals - he only uses it on Asian teams

[Monsee]

Totally agree...even for a man of your advanced age, you are pretty sane here


Seriously...for a country with such issues of Racism in the past and now to try and cover it by saying 'Oh these mikes are awful...they are revealing too much'

That is the biggest cr.ap ever!

Nelson Mandella...you must be pertty disgusted; are these the people for whom you suffered in jail for decades :12:

[sehsan]

I wouldn't include Nel in the same league. Nel acts the same all over. In fact, Nel's intensity has finally brought a bit of oomph into the SA attack which seemed dead after Donald's retirement. I don't know about the rest of you, but I love watching Nel bowl, in the era of the metronome it's great to see a bowler try and knock someone's block off.

As for Gibbs, I wouldn't class him in the same league as hair either. He said, what he did and seems like he'll get punished and that's fair enough. After his ban, I will just look at him as "done the crime, done the time".

But Hair is a sneaky, calculated, conniving racist ***************************!

I dont love watching him but i dont mind if he sledge once in a while BUT for god sake, the guys sledge in even DAMN single ball. He should be banned for a match so that he stops doing it all the time

[Khalil]

Gibbs own father says Gibbs should have got a harsher sentence.

His father disassociates himself with his son's behaviour and yet smith and his boys support Herschelle's behaviour.

You have to be living in South Africa to really know how racist white South Africans are. Apartheid may no longer exist in the statue books and it is till very much alive

[the_game]

Gibbs own father says Gibbs should have got a harsher sentence.

His father disassociates himself with his son's behaviour and yet smith and his boys support Herschelle's behaviour.

You have to be living in South Africa to really know how racist white South Africans are. Apartheid may no longer exist in the statue books and it is till very much alive

Khalil, I wonder how the quota players are treated in the dressing room. Do you have any information on that?

[Pak_Attack]

Nel hasnt done anything except from his usual rants, so to accuse him of bieng a racist without any evidence is totally unfair.

[Daoud]

Ghussa to aata hai yaar... and Gibbs has already been pardoned in his involvement in the Cronje scandal. He has done enough to damage cricket - doesnt deserve a break.

Also, I take a dim view of Nels verbals - he only uses it on Asian teams
That thing about Nel isnt quite true. He does it to everyone. Another thing about him - he isnt anywhere near the tough guy he portrays. He was sledging and bouncing Donald in an FC match towards the end of Donald's career and hit him on the head which caused him to retire hurt and go to hospital for a scan. Nel later broke down into tears

[MIG]

So we are saying that Nel is simply a nutcase - a psychopath ? Ok - I forgive him.

[Pak_Attack]

I dont love watching him but i dont mind if he sledge once in a while BUT for god sake, the guys sledge in even DAMN single ball. He should be banned for a match so that he stops doing it all the time

nel is entertaining, a average bowler no doubt about that but you got love his enthusiasm

[Toony™®]

Also, I take a dim view of Nels verbals - he only uses it on Asian teams


He uses that all the time..remember the english tour of saffie land..he was getting pretty verbal there and against australia too

The reason he does it -> he wears a blood pressure wrist watch to pump himslelf up..apparently when he gets to optimum - (whatever that is)...thats when he is in the zone..and he talks jibber jabber to get himself motivated.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Uzzy]

Nel is not that bad tbh. I like watching him bowl and being aggressive and sledging but my problem is that he goes way over the top and overdoes it, and it just gets to the point where its not even funny anymore. He is probably a nutcase as MIG says.

[Daoud]

So we are saying that Nel is simply a nutcase - a psychopath ? Ok - I forgive him.
Yep, just a nutcase plain and simple.

[Khalil]

Nel hasnt done anything except from his usual rants, so to accuse him of bieng a racist without any evidence is totally unfair.


Nel had made many racist remarks towards the Indians (in Afrikaans) and so he got away with it. Gibbs is english speaking, made those remarks in english and so he got into trouble because everyone understands english

[MIG]

I am beginning to make a mental picture of the South African team - led by an arrogant captain, with a phsycopathic bowler and a racist batsman to boot...Amla must feel very lonely in this zoo.

[Uzzy]

Nel had made many racist remarks towards the Indians (in Afrikaans) and so he got away with it. Gibbs is english speaking, made those remarks in english and so he got into trouble because everyone understands english

Do you know Afrikaans? Can you give atleast a gist of what he said to the Indians?

[OZGOD]

Ghussa to aata hai yaar... and Gibbs has already been pardoned in his involvement in the Cronje scandal. He has done enough to damage cricket - doesnt deserve a break.

Also, I take a dim view of Nels verbals - he only uses it on Asian teams

You must have missed all the times he did it to the OZ both when he was in OZ and in SA then, MIG... :21:

[Daoud]

Only if they still had Ray Jennings as coach. He made even Nel look somewhat sane

[MIG]

Do you know Afrikaans? Can you give atleast a gist of what he said to the Indians?

Dont get him started - our swear word filter doesnt work with Afrikaans!

[MIG]

You must have missed all the times he did it to the OZ both when he was in OZ and in SA then, MIG... :21:

Apologies - I have fired my researcher ....

[OZGOD]

Dont get him started - our swear word filter doesnt work with Afrikaans!

Doesn't it? I know a bit of Afrikaans myself (just the sledge words, I used to play rugby with a Boer). :D

[Indian]

Ive seen Nel going ballistic against ENgland and Australia. I don't think he does it only against Asian teams. What I do find galling is that people in this day and age so easily label others as racists.

[MIG]

Ive seen Nel going ballistic against ENgland and Australia. I don't think he does it only against Asian teams. What I do find galling is that people in this day and age so easily label others as racists.

I think you have missed the point.

[Indian]

Whats that then?

[MIG]

When people make racist comments and gestures at others, its reasonable to expect others to label them as racists.

[Khalil]

Khalil, I wonder how the quota players are treated in the dressing room. Do you have any information on that?

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White Protea players still distance themselves from non white players. Presently Amla and Gibbs share a room and Ntini and Prince share a room. White cricketers simply refuse to share rooms with their non white counterparts. There was a huge uproar a few years back when Woolmer suggested that Ntini should hare a room with Kallis, Gibbs share a room with Boucher and Paul Adams share a room with Shaun Pollock


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SOUTH AFRICAN TEAM HAS -RACIAL- PROBLEMS? (EXCLUSIVE) (http://www.cornelis-associates.com/dancing-brave/dbarticles/2001/may/may2.html)

"I don't believe you should force people to room with each other. People with similar lifestyles and similar habits should share a room." - Raja

Now you tell me if Gibbs and Amla have a similar lifestyle and similar habits. Certainly not. So why do they share the same room? Beacuse they are both non white

[Sultan Yusuf]

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White Protea players still distance themselves from non white players. Presently Amla and Gibbs share a room and Ntini and Prince share a room. White cricketers simply refuse to share rooms with their non white counterparts. There was a huge uproar a few years back when Woolmer suggested that Ntini should hare a room with Kallis, Gibbs share a room with Boucher and Paul Adams share a room with Shaun Pollock


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SOUTH AFRICAN TEAM HAS -RACIAL- PROBLEMS? (EXCLUSIVE) (http://www.cornelis-associates.com/dancing-brave/dbarticles/2001/may/may2.html)

"I don't believe you should force people to room with each other. People with similar lifestyles and similar habits should share a room." - Raja

Now you tell me if Gibbs and Amla have a similar lifestyle and similar habits. Certainly not. So why do they share the same room? Beacuse they are both non white

Which kind of also implies that Gibbs probably aint as racist as being made out. Everyone is racist to some extent I suppose. And I'm not condoning his behaviour!

[Daoud]

Are you sure white players refuse to share a room. A couple of years back an Afrikaans rugby player refused to share a room with a coloured player and a huge deal was made and it was all over the news. If the same happened in cricket wouldnt something similar happen?

[Khalil]

Do you know Afrikaans? Can you give atleast a gist of what he said to the Indians?

Nel walked towards Sreesanth and said "Eko gaan jou bliksem jou fokin bobejaan gesig"

Translated "I am going to decapitate you, you bloody ugly monkey face"

[Pak_Attack]

i wonder how guys like ntini, amla, prince etc feel if many of there team mates come out with comments like that?

[the_game]

Nel walked towards Sreesanth and said "Eko gaan jou bliksem jou fokin bobejaan gesig"

Translated "I am going to decapitate you, you bloody ugly monkey face"

:)) Nel is so cool!

[Khalil]

Are you sure white players refuse to share a room. A couple of years back an Afrikaans rugby player refused to share a room with a coloured player and a huge deal was made and it was all over the news. If the same happened in cricket wouldnt something similar happen?

In 2003 Geo Cronjé (no relation to Hansie) refused to share a room with Quintin Davids simply beacuse Davids was black. Cronje was a staunch rightwing Afrikaaner who opnly said that he dislikes black people.

The white players say that they are not racists but simply they are not compatible with non white players. Goolam Raja justifies Gibbs sharing a room with Amla because he says Gibbs understands Amla's faith more than the other players and neither of the players eat pork.

[12thMan]

I say NEXT!!! Pakistan will expose another one soon

[Truthteller]

a proud tradition of bigotted fools who bring nothing but shame to cricket and to their respective countries.

Hair, disguised his dislike for us and others like us by hiding behind laws of cricket. He failed and is now living in disgrace.

Nel, cannot hide his dislike for us - swears openly - just a matter of time before he trips over his own racist tongue and makes a total fool of himself. He looks and reminds me of the worst aspects of South African past and should be dealt with.

And finally...

Gibbs, the man who somehow survived the Cronje betting scandal, is the latest to enter this hall of shame. He stands accused and convicted of a crime that would put most South Africans to shame, ie racist behaviour.

His crime isnt only that he uttered those shameful words, his real crime and those of his team mates and management is that they feel that it should never have been made public - as if its Ok to call Pakistanis by any name they like, as long as its done without anyone knowing about it.

Shame on Gibbs and shame on his supporters - so lets say it, else people will accuse us of being politically correct - lets shout out loud - Gibbs is a racist thug!!! He deserves a little more than a 2 match ban - he deserves our collective disgust - forever.

Gibbs is a cape coloured. I mention this as in the context of the South Africa he was born in he himself must have experienced the villainy of racism and racist attitudes.

These sort of racist comments have a grater poignancy for South Africans today than possibly elsewhere in the world. He needs help.

[Lightning]

:)) Nel is so cool! :))) Nel almost sounds like a 12 year old playground bully! If only he didn't use a big word like decapitate.

[OZGOD]

In 2003 Geo Cronjé (no relation to Hansie) refused to share a room with Quintin Davids simply beacuse Davids was black. Cronje was a staunch rightwing Afrikaaner who opnly said that he dislikes black people.

The white players say that they are not racists but simply they are not compatible with non white players. Goolam Raja justifies Gibbs sharing a room with Amla because he says Gibbs understands Amla's faith more than the other players and neither of the players eat pork.


Interesting. I've heard a slightly different version of Springbok harmony from another source.

[Khalil]

Gibbs is a cape coloured. I mention this as in the context of the South Africa he was born in he himself must have experienced the villainy of racism and racist attitudes.

These sort of racist comments have a grater poignancy for South Africans today than possibly elsewhere in the world. He needs help.


Yes He needs help. He has become a disgrace for everything his dad has fought for. Herman Gibbs was jailed for 4 years for a article he wrote condemning apartheid in a Dutch newspaper during the apartheid era.

[shan]

Saffies are making excuses as always. Important thing was if some fans said something to harris then they got punishment and were thrown out of ground. But Gibbs racist slurs were towards players and when in return Pakistani players decided to take revenge by racist slurs then Inzy stopped them but on the other hand Smith was giving reasons why Gibbs said this.

[Hash]

I have been very saddened by these events.

Gibbs has always been one of my favourite players in world cricket and was my favourite player in the South African team. I'd like to say that I try to bat like him. But this has really dissapointed and annoyed me.

Part of me thinks he is a swine and I hope Shoaib bowls continuous bouncers at his face in the ODI series but I'd like to take my large hearted side......this was out of character, he has apologised. Let's not dwell on it for too long. Move on now (but still bowl bouncers at his face)

[Saj]

MIG wrote "His crime isnt only that he uttered those shameful words, his real crime and those of his team mates and management is that they feel that it should never have been made public - as if its Ok to call Pakistanis by any name they like, as long as its done without anyone knowing about it.

Shame on Gibbs and shame on his supporters - so lets say it, else people will accuse us of being politically correct - lets shout out loud - Gibbs is a racist thug!!! He deserves a little more than a 2 match ban - he deserves our collective disgust - forever".

I would add that if and when any Pak fans see Gibbs at any ground, they should remind him of this disgusting incident and his vile language !

I wonder if he has the nerve to tour Pakistan next time around, or will he stay at home like he did for a number of years when his team was supposed to go to India ?

[AWAN IN A MILLION]

Very shocked that this Cape Coloured has the audacity to talk the way he does. He has displayed a very sell-out, Judas, 'Yes Boss' type of behaviuor. Hopefully it will cause some uneasy feelings between him and the other non-white boys in his team...Ntini, Amla etc.



Well at least I know what he's really like. I wouldn't even p1ss on him.........no, actually I would p1ss and I would sh1t on him. And then I would find a horse and get it to p1ss on him as well.

[Osman]

You must have missed all the times he did it to the OZ both when he was in OZ and in SA then, MIG... :21:


... but there he was silenced by the dominant Aussie batsman (and Aussie team to be honest.) Im surprised he didn't have a confrontation from Hayden (probably scared of Haydo mind.) What Nel needs is a bashing courtesy of Afridis bat. Afridi vs Nel would be a very interesting prospect indeed as Afridi is not one to take bull ... oh and btw im talkin bout a contest with bat and ball not a physical go-at-each-other lol.

[Blistering Barnacle]

Nel is the same no matter who the opposition. He did go overboard during this test match but I don't think you can say he's racist based on his standard sledging.

Gibbs' remark is unfortunate - I don't think he's racist either though and if it was directed towards a group of spectators that were abusive, I don't think it's a big deal.

Smith plays hard and supports his players 100%. I don't think you can blame him for anything in particular either.

[waqar_ahmad]

I wouldn't include Nel in the same league. Nel acts the same all over. In fact, Nel's intensity has finally brought a bit of oomph into the SA attack which seemed dead after Donald's retirement. I don't know about the rest of you, but I love watching Nel bowl, in the era of the metronome it's great to see a bowler try and knock someone's block off.

As for Gibbs, I wouldn't class him in the same league as hair either. He said, what he did and seems like he'll get punished and that's fair enough. After his ban, I will just look at him as "done the crime, done the time".

But Hair is a sneaky, calculated, conniving racist ***************************!
intensity and sledging make cricket more attractive, i agree with that. but that doesnt mean u sledge every ball. thats just annoying. there is a limit to everything. Nel should learn something from the likes of shane warne.

but i agree, his comments are rasicst, he just does it to every team

[jackal786]

Nel is no saint. He is always one step away from getting banned. Watch out for Boucher also. Whole bunch of guys who constantly go after you. It is just that you don't understand what the heck they say in Afrikaan. Take away pollock may be Amla. Rest of them behave the same way. It is just they didn't get caught. You will see it in future.

[12thMan]

by some logic now Gibbs has provoked many people and now they can target abuse towards him. ofcourse the abuse will be addressed to South Africans.

[mooz]

Nel is the same no matter who the opposition. He did go overboard during this test match but I don't think you can say he's racist based on his standard sledging.

Gibbs' remark is unfortunate - I don't think he's racist either though and if it was directed towards a group of spectators that were abusive, I don't think it's a big deal.

Smith plays hard and supports his players 100%. I don't think you can blame him for anything in particular either.

Thank you for trying to provide some perspective to this saga.
Gibb's comments were offensive, and deservedly he is going to serve a 2 match ban. As far as I am concerned, that is the end of that.
Yes he maybe a racist, and yes, SA has a chequered history of racism but really who can claim to like people of other races as much as they like their own. I can't. I have my prejudices. I don't act on them and they don't influence the way I conduct myself in public but in private I do think better of some people that other. In the heat of the moment, I can see myself saying something unfortunate. Gibbs did too, lets gets over it.

[WIW_SRT]

The word for NEL in punjabi is FUDDU. And Gibbs said what he thought. S Africans have been known for their racism since decades. Nothing new.

[OZGOD]

... but there he was silenced by the dominant Aussie batsman (and Aussie team to be honest.) Im surprised he didn't have a confrontation from Hayden (probably scared of Haydo mind.) What Nel needs is a bashing courtesy of Afridis bat. Afridi vs Nel would be a very interesting prospect indeed as Afridi is not one to take bull ... oh and btw im talkin bout a contest with bat and ball not a physical go-at-each-other lol.

Actually, he wasn't silenced - he kept yapping. There was an interview with him on why he did it - he basically does it to wind himself up. The person in front of him is irrelevant.

If he was as tall as Ambrose or as fast as Marshall his sledging would be intimidating - as it is he's just funny. Like one of those hyperactive Poodles.

[isr]

MIG Bhai,

Fully agree with your other comments, but not so sure about Nel. I would put Nel in the same category as McGrath (from a sledging perspective). They are awful hypocrites, who like to foul mouth their opponents, and go way over the top. YET - neither are capable of taking it themselves. Which makes them cowardly bullies.

Difference is, McGrath also happens to be a great bowler. Nel, well, isn't. Which makes him stand out even more.

But, I think they are both equal opportunity a$$wipes - they are equally ugly to everyone (not much of a character defence, is it?).

[Sheikh_Chilli]

MIG, I agree 100% with your sentiments in the first post
of this thread. I am however disappointed after reading
some of the immature comments from the 'regular' PPers,
who clearly fail to realize the gravity of hate-speech.


Sheikh Chilli

[RumiNYC]

i wonder when they gonna VISIT KARACHI ? i'm pretty sure, that i'll be there..boi oh boi..those saffers better watch out, u know

[Invictus]

People are going over the top with the remarks. Keep the incident in perspective. Nel is a bully. He likes to talk so did Miandad. The difference is that Nel goes over board. Younis dealth with it the proper way. That does not make Nel a racist. He is an equaly opportunity jacka55. What Gibbs said was unfortunate but lets not go overboard and paint the whole nation as racist. Gibbs is coloured himself so maybe just maybe he said something stupid for which he is getting punished.

[MIG]

I dont see any public apology - just a hurry to get the ban postponed - disgraceful. I can see who the real animals are in this episode.

[shan]

People are going over the top with the remarks. Keep the incident in perspective. Nel is a bully. He likes to talk so did Miandad. The difference is that Nel goes over board. Younis dealth with it the proper way. That does not make Nel a racist. He is an equaly opportunity jacka55. What Gibbs said was unfortunate but lets not go overboard and paint the whole nation as racist. Gibbs is coloured himself so maybe just maybe he said something stupid for which he is getting punished.
don't compare Nel to Gibbs. What Nel said wasn't racist and the most important thing was he wasn't get caught on camera.

[Monsee]

As if being called an animal and to go back to the zoo is not enough...many here and at Kamran's blog feel that the issue is being blown out of proportions!

Pak people are becoming like a feet rug...nothing anyone does to them wakes them from their slumber induced by: cheap and slutty Indian movies, hunger fore more and more money, and being busy pulling each other's legs

[Sacrilicious]

I wouldn't include Nel in the same league. Nel acts the same all over. In fact, Nel's intensity has finally brought a bit of oomph into the SA attack which seemed dead after Donald's retirement. I don't know about the rest of you, but I love watching Nel bowl, in the era of the metronome it's great to see a bowler try and knock someone's block off.

As for Gibbs, I wouldn't class him in the same league as hair either. He said, what he did and seems like he'll get punished and that's fair enough. After his ban, I will just look at him as "done the crime, done the time".

But Hair is a sneaky, calculated, conniving racist ***************************!

Couldn't agree more - he can look like a right **** to people who don't understand him (and I had the same opinion of him for a long time), but he really is a decent bloke. It's easy to confuse genuine 'white line fever' with someone who's a complete *****. At the end of the day, Nel really is a 300 pound '**** and wind' gorilla - just take his antics with a dose of salt and appreciate the fact that they're putting a bit of spice into the game.

[Easa]

Completely agree MIG bhai. Hair, well, he is just a bloody bigot. Nel just talks alot, it becomes tiresome when he does it every single ball to every single batsman. However, he can be enjoyable to watch and is a pretty good bowler.

As for Gibbs, well, he has always been a bit of a trouble maker. This incident also doesn't help his reputation.

[saffer]

Nel had made many racist remarks towards the Indians (in Afrikaans) and so he got away with it. Gibbs is english speaking, made those remarks in english and so he got into trouble because everyone understands english


another lie from khalil ...stop manipulating the truth to fulfill your agenda khalil ....if anything as an Asian south african you lived a privaleged lifestyle compared to the blacks , and benefitted from their oppression as much as the whites.....that's why the black South Africans consider the asian community as the most racist ....while most whites casually and without issue related , work , etc on with their asian counterparts in a perfectly natural "we are south africans" way ...why can't you Khalil ?


Oh....and regarding Gibbs....he's been sentenced for poor behaviour...not racism....and by the way...did those spectators mention one of them threw an umbrella at Ntini while he was walkign up the stairs ?

Yeah...poor blameless spectators....heroes!!!

[saffer]

so by standing up for his black and white team-mates...Gibbs who is cape coloured is racist ?

laughable .