Is Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar Overated?

[slick.star74]

ok, iver read through so many threads about how great tendulkar is and was etc.

lets get this out of the way, IS HE OVERATED. my opinion yes he is but that really doesnt matter.

now....in the game of cricket we all no that there is no "i" in team. so personally it shouldnt matter how many records or runs or even hundreds he has scored.

sachin overated tendulkar is only good at playing on flat track ptiches...... he has never shown the world that he is a player whome team india can fall back on.

Sachin overated tendulkar can onnly be compared to the selfish jacque kallis.

HE HAS SCORED SO MANY RUNS IS WORLD CUP CRICKET BUT NEVER GOT IN DOUBLE FIGURES IN A FINAL???"

what kind of legacy is tendulkar trying the leave behind? the selfish batsmen from mumbai?????

IS IT TIME FOR HIM TO RETIRE???? IS IT TIME FOR HIM TO QUIT ODI CRICKET?
all opinions are welcome

[Amoeba]

No - i think he's rubbish! :D

[jackal786]

He is not over-rated. For what its worth he has scored all those runs useless or useful in different places. But he is defenitely not the man you go when there is a crisis. He can play worse than a tailender in such situations. He had so many opportunities to clear this stigma off. But he failed in every one of them. World cup twin failures with the bat was icing on the cake. Now people from his state don't want him near his own house. Tendulkar should realize and sign off sooner than later as he is spoiling his own name more and more.

[inzidabest]

You must be kidding. People are still calling him God for that century he hit against Windies before the WC and 57 aganst Bermuda.

On a serious note , he is a better than good player but over rated.

[Boundary View]

one of the greatest batsman of all time. But flawed. One flaw but a major one. The inabaility to deliver when the pressure was on. Yes - of course there are examples of greate innings under pressure. But there are far too many examples of a Tendulkar failure when the stakes are at their highest.

[RKane]

As Mark waugh said, Sachin plays for individual records

[Inswinging Yorker]

word class batsman no doubt,.....but cannot perform under pressure.

not overated. H ow can a person who has over 11000 odi runs and the most test centuries an overated player?

I think people are just trying to belittle him. Definitely world class...but not absolutely perfect

[RKane]

Interesting fact: Sachin always CHOKES under pressure

2003 world cup final - March 23: sachin c & b Mcgrath 4
2007 World cup Crucial match - March 23: sachin b Fernando 0

[purplehaze]

He was a prodigy & a treat to watch when he entered Indian cricket arena at the age of 16. For many Indian fans Sachin Tendulkar was cricket..

Great batsman he used to be. However, now not that great. One more year he should try else should retire in dignified manner.

[ragoo52]

He is "now" overrated

[Lara400]

He is debated to be a better player than Brian Lara more so by the Indians.

The bigger the game the better Lara plays. Tendulkar has failed to do this consistently.

[zedk]

Cant criticize someone who has more than 20000 runs and 70 centuries. I would say cricket is more luck and less ability as all international players are good coz they represent countries where there are millions vying for a place in the final 11. Why luck is involved coz as a batsman, ur life is one ball, u can get a good one which can knock the stumps back and probably the same one on a lucky day can go over the stumps.

[Blistering Barnacle]

Interesting fact: Sachin always CHOKES under pressure

2003 world cup final - March 23: sachin c & b Mcgrath 4
2007 World cup Crucial match - March 23: sachin b Fernando 0

What about the match against Pak in the 2003 WC? No pressure then I suppose?

Sachin is not overrated. He's just past his peak and declining fast.

[siddharth]

What about the match against Pak in the 2003 WC? No pressure then I suppose?

Sachin is not overrated. He's just past his peak and declining fast.
He played well in lot of pressure situations where no other would play .Unfortunately most of those were end up for losing cause .For example WC 96 semi final against Sl .In tests Chennai test 99.also there are some ODI's in sharjah against Paks .there was a time When Sachin goes ,then the remaining Indian team gets folded .There was a time when Sachin had to bear the whole expectation and responsibility,.however those are old stories .

In the current situation '' He is overrated''.

[infamous9383]

I wouldn't call him overrated but he has been treated like a "god" in India becasue of his past performances.

[Monsee]

Glad that Indian fnas have seen the light of the day...

BTW, an Indian friend of mine told me that Sachin just signed a huge contract (worth Crores), right before the WC; I guess Indian fans will be stuck with an 'Over the Hill' Cookie for a few more years :21:

[James]

Tendulkar has been a great servant to Indian cricket and is arguably the best player ever from outside Australia and the West Indies. He has faced every one of the best bowlers of his time and has done well against them all. However he has been in decline for the last couple of years and can now only be seen as a good batsman who will sometimes deliver a very good innings, not the fearsome and consistent strokemaker of years gone by.
I can see why his place in the Indian side is questioned, but some of the potential replacements are so bad that I think he is worth persisting with. You can't argue with his record.

[Zeenix]

Team consists of 11 players. And its not really tendulkar's fault that Indian team hasn't capitalized from his skill. When he was at his peak, the Indian team use to fold as soon as he got out. Normally a century should (most of the time result in a win), but if Indian team can't capitalize on his century then its a shame to Indian Cricket team. After all he is not the only one who gets paid, the rest are paid for their jobs too..

[cricketisit]

Dah

[BD-fan]

As a fan I want him to stay for another WC and get some more beating. So that the Indians would drop his god status.

[jackal786]

As a fan I want him to stay for another WC and get some more beating. So that the Indians would drop his god status.

As i said earlier. Defenitely he is not over-rated. scoring 14000 runs at a strike rate of 85 with an average of 44 is defenitely not a mean task. He chokes under pressure. But that doesn't make him over-rated by any stretch. Nobody is treating like him as a god. Infact throughout mumbai protests are against him. People treat you like god as long as you deliver for team. If you don't they will be your worst nightmare. Been that way always. What is the problem with you him being treated as god? How exactly it affects you?

[khilari]

the only problem is that he happens to choke under pressure as mentioned by many here
at the end of the day, he is still better than 80% of the indian players in the team ... the thing with tendulkar is that u always expect something big , but the bitter fact is that he keeps failing and that generates strong disappointments... he certainly deserves better but if he is trying his best in those pressure games, i donno what else he can do ...

on the contrary, there are players who are just very good finishers like inzi, who play real well when needed ... i am lucky to be a pak fan as i got to cheer for a player who came through more times than not.

[Zechariah]

He is not overrated, he is just getting old. I think it's enough he has scored 14,000 runs already.

[BD-fan]

...What is the problem with you him being treated as god? How exactly it affects you?
Since we are heavily dependant in print media and other medium on reading articles or watching shows on Cricket which is controlled by the Indians, the God status affects me tremendously. I have been following cricket for the last 30+ years. All I read is he is the best in everything and thus compared to super natural. He is no doubt one of the better players to play the game (the stats says that) but someone who can't deliver when the teams need them the most is worse than others who could. AKA Kapil, Imran.

Did you follow SetMax before the Worldcup? Did you hear Gavaskar and others comment on how they were going to butcher BD in the group match? Or how Veru's form was back after the Bermuda game?

You may have a level head, or those who are protesting in Mumbai are just having a harsh reality check, but most of India think him as someone can't be compared to anyone else and better than any cricket players ever played the game. You can't deny this. We all need to call a Spade a spade. Call Tendu a great player but not God. No one is. Even if certain times he looks like a man possessed (When he was performing at his peak).

[Monsee]

The more valid question is: If 'Most of Indians think him as someone can't be compared to anyone else and better than any cricket players that ever played the game' than why can't he perform at will or when he is needed the most?

I mean to be someone who 'can't be compared to anyone else and is supposedly better than all players of the world (past/Present)...shouldn't such a player have so much ability to change the direction of the game and play shots at sheer will?

Reality: He was one of the best (not the best ever or better than anyone else except Bradman)...and now he just scores when everything else is hunky dory!

That's my opinion and I am sticking to it :11:

[Windistan]

Definately not over-rated. This guy has been the most consisten batsmen ever over such a long period of time. He's just going through a very tough patch right now. He's still a relatively young guy, I'm not sure why so many people want him to retire. Isn't he a full 4-5 years younger than lara?Look at how lara has performed since over the past 4 years after some lean patches. I believe his average over this time is above 60! Tende is without a doubt the best ODI player ever! no question. Just give him a shot to get back to form, no reason why he cant.

[Windistan]

plus I think his failures in big games is magnified more so than that of other batsmen.

[Inswinging Yorker]

Great batsman he used to be. However, now not that great. One more year he should try else should retire in dignified manner.[/QUOTE]

No way i believe he should retire.

He has plenty to offer in both forms of the game.....at least 4 more years

Lara says he will play test cricket till age 40.....dont see why sachin cant

do the same

[down4whatever]

Sachin = A-Rod ???

I'm surprised no one mentioned this before.

[Genghis]

ESPN Legends of cricket had a segment on the 50 Legends of cricket. Lara came in somewhere in the 30s which I thought was unfair. Imran Khan also came in at No.8 while Tendulkar came in at No.7. Why Tendulkar is ranked so highly as a legend of the game is a mystery to me...

http://www.legendsofcricket.tv/index.html

[Windistan]

ESPN Legends of cricket had a segment on the 50 Legends of cricket. Lara came in somewhere in the 30s which I thought was unfair. Imran Khan also came in at No.8 while Tendulkar came in at No.7. Why Tendulkar is ranked so highly as a legend of the game is a mystery to me...

http://www.legendsofcricket.tv/index.html

how long ago was this compiled? I know rankings are subjective but this one takes the cake for making no sense at all.

[kablooee87]

Of course he's overrated. But that doesn't mean he's not an amazing player. Even with the high level of cricket he has played, the sort of pedestal Indians have put him on is well beyond anything acceptable.

[batter]

Tendulkar ranked higher than Imran???


Laughable :)))

[RKane]

ESPN Legends of cricket had a segment on the 50 Legends of cricket. Lara came in somewhere in the 30s which I thought was unfair. Imran Khan also came in at No.8 while Tendulkar came in at No.7. Why Tendulkar is ranked so highly as a legend of the game is a mystery to me...

http://www.legendsofcricket.tv/index.html

So sachin is N0.7?? and Lara not in Top 25?

I think Mr. Gavaskar has a hand in forming that list.

[RKane]

Sachin was treated like a God literally.

There is a temple in chennai built for the world cup with indian players as idols. Can you
believe it?

He was worshipped before that Bangladesh game. Now, there is no trace of that temple.

[PlanetPakistan]

D Lillie at 6? :| No Murli yet Warne is at #4? Sunny at number 10 yet Miandad is not even in the top 25? :20: . I reckon they should have simply named the top 50 players of all times without even bothering about rankings.

[PakVsAus]

he only delivers against kenya and bermuda

[batter]

Imran was a star batsman + best bowler in the world + the best captain in the world all rolled into 1.

On the other hand Sachin is a star batsman unable to deliver when pressure is on.

Imran wins easily here.

[Zechariah]

http://www.legendsofcricket.tv/judges.html

These are the judges who made the top 25 list.

[SHER-E-PUNJAB]

Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0

155 152 15 6276 152 146 146 45.81 17 33 6 -----------------Tendulkar in ODI since 2000

181 175 19 6875 164 141* 140* 44.07 18 42 10---------------ponting

I dont see anything here suggesting that he's overrated, even if Ponting is better.

[Asim2Good]

u can question if Sachin performs when pressure is on or not.
BUT surely you can't say this guy is overrated.

[OZGOD]

A great batsman, but sadly past it now. He's lost the desire to excel after 20 years of playing at the top level. In his prime he had all the technical skills, but he was found wanting in the mental stakes.

[OZGOD]

Tendy's average over the years in ODIs.


Batting
Year M Inns NO 50s 100s HS Runs Avg Ca St
1989 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0 0
1990 11 10 0 1 0 53 239 23.90 3 0
1991 14 14 2 4 0 62 417 34.75 4 0
1992 21 20 2 6 0 84 704 39.11 5 0
1993 18 17 4 1 0 *82 319 24.54 4 0
1994 25 25 2 9 3 115 1089 47.35 8 0
1995 12 12 1 1 1 *112 444 40.36 6 0
1996 32 32 2 9 6 137 1611 53.70 13 0
1997 39 36 3 5 2 117 1011 30.64 14 0
1998 34 33 4 7 9 143 1894 65.31 14 0
1999 22 22 2 1 3 *186 843 42.15 4 0
2000 34 34 0 6 3 146 1328 39.06 11 0
2001 17 16 3 3 4 146 904 69.54 3 0
2002 20 19 5 3 2 113 741 52.93 4 0
2003 21 21 1 8 3 152 1141 57.05 4 0
2004 21 21 1 5 1 141 812 40.60 4 0
2005 16 16 1 2 1 123 412 27.47 6 0
2006 16 16 2 3 2 *141 628 44.86 6 0
2007 10 9 2 3 1 *100 310 44.29 2 0
Overall 384 374 37 77 41 *186 14847 44.06 115 0

[slick.star74]

Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0

155 152 15 6276 152 146 146 45.81 17 33 6 -----------------Tendulkar in ODI since 2000

181 175 19 6875 164 141* 140* 44.07 18 42 10---------------ponting

I dont see anything here suggesting that he's overrated, even if Ponting is better.



like half the hypocrites say on this forum, stats dont tell the whole story ;-)

[FarooK]

brother sher lets narrow that time period down to the time from 2004 to now

Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50
63 2162 141 38.60 5 13 <-------------- Tendulkar

87 3501 164 44.31 8 25 <-------------- Ponting

Not that comparing him with anyone even matters, the question asked is whether Tendulkar is overrated not better than anyone else. He could be the best player in the world right now and still be overrated if people believe he is Bradman. I think Tendulkar has been a brilliant talent but never a great player, because it takes determination and performance in peak pressure to be called great and he has lacked that ability. Also, he has been on the decline since the 03 WC when he flashed some brilliance, especially in that knock against Pakistan. Either way, he has been overrated from a very long time simply because the Indians have had that mythical belief that he is simply the best, most likely caused by the fact that there was a long period before the likes of Dravid came about that India's fortunes rested on him, their only decent/good batsman.

[Genghis]

how long ago was this compiled? I know rankings are subjective but this one takes the cake for making no sense at all.
I beleive this was published around 2005. They aired it on the ESPN channel in Australia leading up to the World Cup.

[invincible]

brother sher lets narrow that time period down to the time from 2004 to now

Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50
63 2162 141 38.60 5 13 <-------------- Tendulkar

87 3501 164 44.31 8 25 <-------------- Ponting

Not that comparing him with anyone even matters, the question asked is whether Tendulkar is overrated not better than anyone else. He could be the best player in the world right now and still be overrated if people believe he is Bradman. I think Tendulkar has been a brilliant talent but never a great player, because it takes determination and performance in peak pressure to be called great and he has lacked that ability. Also, he has been on the decline since the 03 WC when he flashed some brilliance, especially in that knock against Pakistan. Either way, he has been overrated from a very long time simply because the Indians have had that mythical belief that he is simply the best, most likely caused by the fact that there was a long period before the likes of Dravid came about that India's fortunes rested on him, their only decent/good batsman.
Ponting in the form of his life and Sachin in the worst form of his career are compared ... That itself shows you how good Sachin is ... Sachin is well past his best and should retire ... but to say he is overrated merely basing on the past few years where he has been ordinary is ridiculous ...

When is the pressure usually highest ?? Lets consider the stats of few top batsmen in FINALS ...


Sachin 47 1954 141 46.52 5 11 30 4/38 34.83 0 11 0
Inzamam 42 1118 137* 32.88 1 8 - - - - 14 0
Lara 27 866 153 36.08 2 4 - - - - 15 0
Ponting 46 1552 140* 38.80 2 8 0 - - 0 17 0


Sachin's batting average in finals is more than every other batsman ... Anyway you look at the above stats - you will find Sachin is a way better player in the finals ... And please donot talk about his knocks resulting in a losing cause ... One single player cannot win a match ... The other 10 need to perform as well ... what only matters is the fact whether this single player has done his job or not ... Sachin has done way more than what was actually required from him ...

[mos123]

Tendulkar always plays for himself i think indian team does not required Tendulakar From now

[RKane]

Ponting in the form of his life and Sachin in the worst form of his career are compared ... That itself shows you how good Sachin is ... Sachin is well past his best and should retire ... but to say he is overrated merely basing on the past few years where he has been ordinary is ridiculous ...

When is the pressure usually highest ?? Lets consider the stats of few top batsmen in FINALS ...


Sachin 47 1954 141 46.52 5 11 30 4/38 34.83 0 11 0
Inzamam 42 1118 137* 32.88 1 8 - - - - 14 0
Lara 27 866 153 36.08 2 4 - - - - 15 0
Ponting 46 1552 140* 38.80 2 8 0 - - 0 17 0


Sachin's batting average in finals is more than every other batsman ... Anyway you look at the above stats - you will find Sachin is a way better player in the finals ... And please donot talk about his knocks resulting in a losing cause ... One single player cannot win a match ... The other 10 need to perform as well ... what only matters is the fact whether this single player has done his job or not ... Sachin has done way more than what was actually required from him ...


You mean the finals vs Zimbambwe in sharjah? Ignore the minnows and filter the records

Do you know that India's record in finals outside the sub-continent..lost for 11 times consecutively and sachin choking there? (until Natwest series)

[FarooK]

... but to say he is overrated merely basing on the past few years where he has been ordinary is ridiculous ...



i guess you completely missed the boat on my point. I was simply using the stats to show sher that they do not matter and yearly fluctuations are common amongst all batsmen. the latter part of my post clearly stated my opinion that while he has always been a great talent he cannot be called a great batsman at the moment since he has consistently save india when it was mattered most. he is definitely overrated right now, and has been through his career through no fault of his own, but largely due to the myth that has been created through hype and media. I believe the myth was created during the time when he was the only guy who could do anything to get some runs for India and thus their fortunes lay on him. Again, he was truly good till about end of 03.

[inane]

With the people posting all the stats, can you include Strike Rate as well? Average is only half the story in ODI's.