Battrick Finances

[iZeeshan]

How do your finances fluctuate? What do they look like right now? How much money do you have? How much do you usually end up making per week without home games? What do you look forward to?

This is my situation:

Current Balance: £47,957
Projected Balance: £58,765

INCOME:
Gate Receipts: 3,401
Sponsors: 18,360
Interest: 0
Miscellaneous: 55,950

EXPENDITURE:
Ground Maintenance: 15,850
Salaries: 10,053
Interest: 0
Miscellaneous: 1,000
Staff Costs: 40,000
Youth Academy: 0

Total Income: 77,711 Total Expenditure: 66,903
Projected Profit/Loss: 10,808

This is without the home game. Right as soon as the week begins, this is what it looks like, except for the gate recipts.

[Straight Bat]

BROKE FIVE BROKE... WE Ain't GOT IT

[MCMLXXXII]

Balance
Current Balance: £160,998
Projected balance at next Update: £155,346
This Week:
Income: Expenditure:
Gate Receipts: 5,296 Ground Maintenance: 11,900
Sponsors: 23,383 Salaries: 11,460
Interest: 1,529 Interest: 0
Miscellaneous: 55,000 Miscellaneous: 0
Staff Costs: 47,500
Youth Academy: 20,000

Total Income: 85,208 Total Expenditure: 90,860
Projected Profit/Loss: -5,652

Last Week:
Income: Expenditure:
Gate Receipts: 38,333 Ground Maintenance: 11,900
Sponsors: 22,439 Salaries: 9,091
Interest: 1,314 Interest: 0
Miscellaneous: 55,000 Miscellaneous: 6,000
Staff Costs: 47,500
Youth Academy: 20,000

Total Income: 117,086 Total Expenditure: 94,491
Profit: 22,595

[iZeeshan]

How are you spending 47.5K on staff? What do you have? And btw, its not good if your losing money every week without actually spending.

[Sean]

I'm too embarrassed to show mine. :P :(

[MCMLXXXII]

How are you spending 47.5K on staff? What do you have? And btw, its not good if your losing money every week without actually spending.

I don't lose money, I recover it from my gate receipts. I get an extra 30K or so every month sometimes 50K depending on friendly.

I have 10 psychologists thats why staff cost is so high. I think it is worth it though, increases your concentration and consistency faster. At least that is what I have read. I am aiming for around 400K then I will expand my stadium again.

[iZeeshan]

10 is too much man. 5-7 is optimal. Your paying too much for no reason.

[Kamran]

I don't lose money, I recover it from my gate receipts. I get an extra 30K or so every month sometimes 50K depending on friendly.

I have 10 psychologists thats why staff cost is so high. I think it is worth it though, increases your concentration and consistency faster. At least that is what I have read. I am aiming for around 400K then I will expand my stadium again.
from what i have read 5 or 6 is ideal but if you can afford then fair enough

[Kamran]

Current Balance: £-18,976
Projected balance at next Update: £-32,584
This Week: Income: Expenditure:
Gate Receipts: 3,401 Ground Maintenance: 22,860
Sponsors: 25,164 Salaries: 12,165
Interest: 0 Interest: 948
Miscellaneous: 58,800 Miscellaneous: 2,500
Staff Costs: 42,500
Youth Academy: 20,000

Total Income: 87,365 Total Expenditure: 100,973
Projected Profit/Loss: -13,608

Last Week: Income: Expenditure:
Gate Receipts: 149,400 Ground Maintenance: 22,860
Sponsors: 24,374 Salaries: 11,343
Interest: 0 Interest: 6,745
Miscellaneous: 114,109 Miscellaneous: 66,000
Staff Costs: 45,000
Youth Academy: 20,000

Total Income: 287,883 Total Expenditure: 171,948
Profit: 115,935

[MCMLXXXII]

Who said 5 to 7 is optimal? Every type of nets uses psychologists except for fitness training. I don't have any fitness coaches so I am using 10 psychologists one for each net session so that I get most out of them. I have read that secondary skills like concentration and consistency are increased by psychologists. Do correct me if I am wrong. Point to me where I can find out what is the optimal number of psychologists.

[Kamran]

Who said 5 to 7 is optimal? Every type of nets uses psychologists except for fitness training. I don't have any fitness coaches so I am using 10 psychologists one for each net session so that I get most out of them. I have read that secondary skills like concentration and consistency are increased by psychologists. Do correct me if I am wrong. Point to me where I can find out what is the optimal number of psychologists.
i read it on the sledging board aswell as the jumpers for wickets forum, ill have a look for it now and give you the link.

[Kamran]

how do you estimate the no. o psychologists one shud have. as far as i know its 5 psuchologists for 1 field net.

arunava
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By: cfmike
To: arunava 01/06/2007 at 18:59
42423.2 in reply to 42423.1
Psychologists visit every net apart from the Fitness nets (I think).
Also remember that the more Psychologists you have, the smaller expereince they give a player for each one.

I saw someone say that 5 should be the maximum, so I wouldn't go any higher than 5 Psychologists.
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By: arunava
To: cfmike 01/06/2007 at 19:02
42423.3 in reply to 42423.2
the problem am having is i have 2 players with 1 fielding net each, so i have 10 psychos

some one pls help on this ..... and what do u mean by "the more Psychologists you have, the smaller expereince they give a player for each one"
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By: cfmike
To: arunava 01/06/2007 at 20:00
42423.4 in reply to 42423.3
Well, for example, if you had 10 Mathematics teachers and they all taught you one after the other, then by the time you have got to the 10th teacher, he won't be teaching you anything new because you have already learnt everything from those before.

The same goes for Psychologists.
By the time your player has got to the 6th one, he will have learnt everything there is to know for that traiing session, and so you have 5 Psychologists doing absolutely nothing for you except taking your money.

10 is WAY too many Psychologists.
Stick with 5.

Also remember that you can only have a maximum of 10 nets, as any more and they would not have enough time to train up your players.

Training occurs once a week on Mondays.

You can see how much all your Trainers are costing you by looking at your Finances page.



got that off battrick sledging newbie board

[Kamran]

here is another one from battrick
By: Spaceman!
To: Everyone 25/05/2007 at 00:35
41463.1
this has been asked nefore, i am sure, so forgive me. i have 3 different players sharing 10 nets; how many psychs should i have?
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By: 02jbean
To: Spaceman! 25/05/2007 at 00:40
41463.2 in reply to 41463.1
5 seems to be about the optimum and favourite amount, any more than that is considered a waste of money really.
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By: Spaceman!
To: 02jbean 25/05/2007 at 22:50
41463.3 in reply to 41463.2
and thats irrespective of how many players i actually have in the nets, right?
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By: jeremy01
To: Spaceman! 25/05/2007 at 23:22
41463.4 in reply to 41463.3
Yes.
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[Kamran]

By: Indigoza
To: Everyone 14/05/2007 at 18:37
40295.1
Hey

Does it help to have more than 10 psychologists?
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By: DazQcc
To: Indigoza 14/05/2007 at 18:41
40295.2 in reply to 40295.1
no
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By: cosimas
To: Indigoza 14/05/2007 at 18:42
40295.3 in reply to 40295.1
Nope. There is no benefit at all in having more than 10 psychologists. It's just a waste of money.
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By: Indigoza
To: cosimas 14/05/2007 at 18:51
40295.4 in reply to 40295.3
thanks cosimas
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By: karl_w_w
To: Indigoza 15/05/2007 at 03:36
40295.5 in reply to 40295.4
even 10 is a bit of a waste
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By: Indigoza
To: karl_w_w 15/05/2007 at 07:21
40295.6 in reply to 40295.5
How many is optimal then?
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By: karl_w_w
To: Indigoza 15/05/2007 at 07:25
40295.7 in reply to 40295.6
I think the agreed number is 4 or 5, but everybody really makes up their own mind. I use 6.
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By: Fishy
To: karl_w_w 15/05/2007 at 10:58
40295.8 in reply to 40295.7
It's all a question of money. Even if we assume that the 10th Psych is only 1% as effective as the 1st psych, that would make a difference. Maths time.

Similar to the man/hour concept, I'm attempting to work out secondary net weeks in a season. This can be averaged out, as, unlike primaries, all nets affect secondaries the same (assuming the same age), unlike the diminishing return on extra primary nets.

I'll assume the average manager has nets affecting 8 secondaries each week. I make this assumption by
Player a: 2 x bowling (1 net affects consistency, 2nd net does nothing), 1 x field ( 1 net affects consistency and concentration) total of 3 secondary net weeks
Player b: Same as player a total of 3 again
Player c : 1 x bat, (1 net affects 1 secondary) total of 1
Player d: 1 x bowl (1 net affects 1 secondary) total of 1
Other 2 nets, stam net.
Add them together, you get 8 secondary net weeks

8 secondary net weeks per week x 18 weeks a season, that 144 secondary net weeks a season. So if that 10th Psych is only 1%, that means it is the equivalent of having an extra net that only affects secondaries for 1.44 weeks.

That 10th psych costs $27K a season. That's 10 times the cost of a normal net, it only affects secondaries, so it's very pricey, and will give you one extra pop after approximately 9 seasons. Would you pay $243K for an extra level of secondary?

The biggest problem with all the above, is no-one but Allen really knows how much the later Psychs affect pops.

Edited by Fishy on 15/05/2007 at 15:26
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By: labrooy
To: Fishy 15/05/2007 at 13:39
40295.9 in reply to 40295.8
A few things you might consider in your calculations

- the 'average player' does not receive a keeping net. They would more likely receive a primary plus either a fielding or keeping.

- fielding and keeping boost both secondaries. Batting and Bowling do not. By this reasoning, it is 6 secondaries, but as mentioned above, keeping nets are rarely used so it is more like 3-4 secondaries. How did you reach 8 secondaries?

Your maths appears shaky to me. Perhaps it would be more accurate, and easier for us to follow your logic, if you work off 10 nets all being used to boost secondaries ie. no double netting and no stamina nets.


Something along the lines of 180 nets in a season provides ~12 secondary pops with 5 psychs and ~12.3 secondary pops with 10 psychs.
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By: Fishy
To: labrooy 15/05/2007 at 15:05
40295.10 in reply to 40295.9
Sorry Labrooy, I should have wrote manager, not player. Edited the previous post so it makes more sense.
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By: labrooy
To: Fishy 16/05/2007 at 02:56
40295.11 in reply to 40295.10
ok makes sense now. Nice work too.
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so from that i reckon 5 is the best amount to have.

[MCMLXXXII]

Alright I see the logic here. I will use 5 psychs from now on. Thanks guys for pointing this out.

now lets have a discussion on the type of bowlers. I have some fast bowlers who are competent and then I have some medium bowlers who are Respectable. I opt of the respectable bowlers but does the type of bowler have any effect? Should I have fast bowlers open the innings then have medium fast and then have mediums? or do all those things don't make a difference?

[hasbeen]

Alright I see the logic here. I will use 5 psychs from now on. Thanks guys for pointing this out.

now lets have a discussion on the type of bowlers. I have some fast bowlers who are competent and then I have some medium bowlers who are Respectable. I opt of the respectable bowlers but does the type of bowler have any effect? Should I have fast bowlers open the innings then have medium fast and then have mediums? or do all those things don't make a difference?

you should play your best 5 bowlers at all times. if the bowlers are similar in ability then play bowlers that will suit different pitches. also i heard there is a slight advantage of bowling faster bowlers first to use the new ball.

[Kamran]

Alright I see the logic here. I will use 5 psychs from now on. Thanks guys for pointing this out.

now lets have a discussion on the type of bowlers. I have some fast bowlers who are competent and then I have some medium bowlers who are Respectable. I opt of the respectable bowlers but does the type of bowler have any effect? Should I have fast bowlers open the innings then have medium fast and then have mediums? or do all those things don't make a difference?
well if the secondries are equal then i would always go with the respectable bowler over the competent.i would also always open with a fast bowler over a spin bowler,not so sure about fast versus medium, idont think there order matters as much. i know if your playing on a green wicket you should set your pace bowlers to attacking.

[Hari Sombar]

you should play your best 5 bowlers at all times. if the bowlers are similar in ability then play bowlers that will suit different pitches. also i heard there is a slight advantage of bowling faster bowlers first to use the new ball.

Singh Lali is a Medium pacer and he opens and still gets wickets

[hasbeen]

Singh Lali is a Medium pacer and he opens and still gets wickets

that because his primary is better than your othr bowlers

[Hari Sombar]

that because his primary is better than your othr bowlers


:P :D

[Hari Sombar]

Whats your finances hasbeen ?

[hasbeen]

Whats your finances hasbeen ?

7045 at next financial update but im selling two players so should be pushed up

[Hari Sombar]

7045 at next financial update but im selling two players so should be pushed up
7,045 ? yes ?

[hasbeen]

7,045 ? yes ?

lol yes as in 7k

[iZeeshan]

Hmm, I have 7 psychs? Should I get rid of 2 of them?

[hasbeen]

Hmm, I have 7 psychs? Should I get rid of 2 of them?

nah 5-7 are optimal

[iZeeshan]

yea but according to what kamran shows, most people like 5. i just asked again on sledging.

currently i am in the process of messaging all the "Zeeshan" owners

[Straight Bat]

yea but according to what kamran shows, most people like 5. i just asked again on sledging.

currently i am in the process of messaging all the "Zeeshan" owners


man, your not allowed to negotiate transfres through private messaging people...

[iZeeshan]

are you serious? wow i really didn't know that! some guy on the wanted ads told me to do that!

[Straight Bat]

are you serious? wow i really didn't know that! some guy on the wanted ads told me to do that!

really? I've read people on sledging say that you can only ask for a player or advertise a player on the ads pages - not allowed to message people about them.

[iZeeshan]

hmmm im sure BT will understand. plus i am not negotiating a transfer really.

[Kamran]

yea but according to what kamran shows, most people like 5. i just asked again on sledging.

currently i am in the process of messaging all the "Zeeshan" owners
i wouldnt message anybody like that you will get banned, your better off started a thread in the players add section, oh and my star batsman moin zeeshan isnt for sale :D

[hasbeen]

i wouldnt message anybody like that you will get banned, your better off started a thread in the players add section, oh and my star batsman moin zeeshan isnt for sale :D

:))

ima try and get a zeeshan for 1k and sell him to u for a million :15:

[iZeeshan]

yea thats why i didnt message you. o how i wish i cud have him! wanna switch teams? besides shoaib chaudry, we have the same squads.

[iZeeshan]

:))

ima try and get a zeeshan for 1k and sell him to u for a million :15:
lmao, you cant do that, remember?

[Kamran]

yea thats why i didnt message you. o how i wish i cud have him! wanna switch teams? besides shoaib chaudry, we have the same squads.
yeh but shoiab chudry will be a 2million pound plus player in a few months so dont you think thats quite a big difference :)

[iZeeshan]

yea i guess. he will go over 2 mil, i can assure you.

btw can someone please check my post in the transfers thread?

[MCMLXXXII]

I am back over 200K now. My finances look good form now on. As long as I continue having home games. perhaps 2 more weeks then I might expand my stadium again. I was aiming for like 400K in the bank before I do that.

[iZeeshan]

I am gonna be in the red again, because of expansions. Should be about 50k under, unless I also buy a bowler. But it will all be covered up after one home game, so no worries.

[MCMLXXXII]

I made a stupid mistake of some sorts. I wanted to expand my stadium and went about doing it, increasing it to a size of 18,000. It cost me 261K. What I didn't realize that I had 3 weeks with no home games! Now I am in week 3 and my balance is around 40K. I made 20K last week but this week my profit is only 4K. My ground maintenance costs have doubled an are now 25K. I have made my academy investment zero and basically have my hands tied until I get some home games. Good ting is, towards the end I have 2 home games in a row so it is 4 home games in the 6 total remaining games. The stadium expansion was much needed but I can't deal with paying for ground maintenance. I hope I finish first so that next season I will have alternating home and away games.

[iZeeshan]

Yea but then you will also be in Div III like me!

I am currently at +700k gaining 34k interest a week. Net of 22 as 10k goes to the advisors.

[Sean]

Out of debt this week! http://www.planetcricket.net/forums/images/smilies/cheer21.gif

Current Balance: £-53,920
Projected balance at next Update: £-53,652

About time considering that I got my expansion Last improved on: 14/05/2007.

2 months!

[Sean]

86k IN GATE RECIEPTS!!!!! OMG!!!!!!

AND I'M OUT OF DEBT! YAY!!!

Current Balance: £-53,920
Projected balance at next Update: £29,208

[iZeeshan]

Sean, I get 140k in gate reciepts. No need to orgasm, k? :P

[Sean]

Thing is, in my last home match, I got only 40k.

[MCMLXXXII]

I made $136,096 from the gate receipts today. I was close to $0 before that. 2 more weeks and I will have over $200,000 again. It gives a bit of breathing room. I need to make repairs to my youth academy to get ready for next season. It is at respectable at the moment. I think I would need to spend 90K on it to get it up to Strong or Superb. I plan to make 3 youth pulls very early in my next season with full ITS. This will not only give me new trainees but also more players to play in FC.

[The Godfather]

when does a season finish and start

[The Godfather]

does it matter that you are in the red

[Hari Sombar]

Balance Current Balance: £-88,219
Projected balance at next Update: £-2,137

[Hari Sombar]

does it matter that you are in the red


As long as you can get out of it its fine

If you get more than 350 in the red then you lose your team

[Hari Sombar]

when does a season finish and start


14 league games

[Big Daddy]

Current Balance: £921,291
Projected balance at next Update: £936,873
This Week:
Income: Expenditure:
Gate Receipts: 0 Ground Maintenance: 53,700
Sponsors: 34,453 Salaries: 7,892
Interest: 44,221 Interest: 0
Miscellaneous: 55,000 Miscellaneous: 0
Staff Costs: 56,500
Youth Academy: 0

Total Income: 133,674 Total Expenditure: 118,092
Projected Profit/Loss: 15,582

Last Week:
Income: Expenditure:
Gate Receipts: 169,035 Ground Maintenance: 53,700
Sponsors: 33,932 Salaries: 7,892
Interest: 35,790 Interest: 0
Miscellaneous: 55,000 Miscellaneous: 0
Staff Costs: 56,500
Youth Academy: 0

Total Income: 293,757 Total Expenditure: 118,092
Profit: 175,665


Stadium capacity is 35000
Home game receipts over 175 k +
Non home game week, profit of 25k +

[MCMLXXXII]

How many members do u have?

[iZeeshan]

Yay I just hit my first million thru all those gate recipets! Home game on Sunday too!

[MCMLXXXII]

Gate Receipts: 416,378

I love FC games!

[Bobaran]

Yay, my first week where I'll be getting a profit! :) Wooo! I'm still in dept though :P

Projected Profit/Loss: 7,242

[The Godfather]

i hate fc they are messing my finances one weeek i make profit and then i have 2 away games so im back into debt

[Hari Sombar]

Current Balance: £1,042,763
Projected balance at next Update: £1,097,766

The projected balance could have so easily £1,250,000

[iZeeshan]

Wow, again my FC game ended in 2 days.

If I don't buy a player, I will be back at 1 million.

[Big Daddy]

Hows this for Finances :)

Current Balance: £4,026,343
Projected balance at next Update: £9,823,212
This Week:
Income: Expenditure:
Gate Receipts: 0 Ground Maintenance: 53,700
Sponsors: 45,616 Salaries: 24,746
Interest: 80,000 Interest: 0
Miscellaneous: 5,800,199 Miscellaneous: 0
Staff Costs: 50,500
Youth Academy: 0

Total Income: 5,925,815 Total Expenditure: 128,946
Projected Profit/Loss: 5,796,869

Last Week:
Income: Expenditure:
Gate Receipts: 509,494 Ground Maintenance: 53,700
Sponsors: 45,191 Salaries: 24,746
Interest: 80,000 Interest: 0
Miscellaneous: 0 Miscellaneous: 80,000
Staff Costs: 50,500
Youth Academy: 0

Total Income: 634,685 Total Expenditure: 208,946
Profit: 425,739

[Hari Sombar]

Breaks my heart looking at how much other teams have got .... meanwhile, Im in financial ruin .....

Balance
Current Balance: £-206,825
Projected balance at next Update: £-188,383 :( :( :(

I need the players I have right now, I don't want to sell unless its the last possible thing ... what can I doooo ???

The games, supporters morale and members are kicking me in the ass right now, barely getting 30k a day for my FC games and 130k for OD :(

[Hari Sombar]

Breaks my heart looking at how much other teams have got .... meanwhile, Im in financial ruin .....

Balance
Current Balance: £-206,825
Projected balance at next Update: £-188,383 :( :( :(

I need the players I have right now, I don't want to sell unless its the last possible thing ... what can I doooo ???

The games, supporters morale and members are kicking me in the ass right now, barely getting 30k a day for my FC games and 130k for OD :(


Anyone please ? ^^

[Zaheir]

Breaks my heart looking at how much other teams have got .... meanwhile, Im in financial ruin .....

Balance
Current Balance: £-206,825
Projected balance at next Update: £-188,383 :( :( :(

I need the players I have right now, I don't want to sell unless its the last possible thing ... what can I doooo ???

The games, supporters morale and members are kicking me in the ass right now, barely getting 30k a day for my FC games and 130k for OD :(

It probably won't help if I tell you that my team makes millions every season and I should break the £10 million barrier this season! All without player sales being a contributing factor. You can do the same.

What is your team name Hari and what league do you play in? I suspect the problems you are having stem from playing in a league which is too difficult for you causing you to fail to grow your supporter base, get higher attendances and increase revenues.

The issue came up on the Pakistan mentoring board this week and my response to a new user wanting to promote straight to III is given below. I think the issues discussed may be relevant to you and some others here as well whether its to go from IV to III or III to II:




I would not recommend that teams in IV try to promote in their first season in Battrick. Thats simply my personal view and doubtless others will disagree and regard it as somewhat cynical. However if you are committed to playing the game in the long term and taking your team forward in the quickest and easiest way then give early entry to III a miss.

New teams start with very little money. This amount has not changed despite massive transfer maket inflation. Life is very tough for new starters. Its not possible to get good players and even trainees who are purchased are usually mediocre/competent in primary skill. The stadium is not correctly proportioned with one segment completely missing depriving a new user of revenues.

If a new player gets going and starts winning he will very soon need to expand the stadium. Most money in this game comes from match day revenues. This is especially the case for new teams who are not accruing interest income. Winning matches will increase your supporter base and also help get higher attendances. This will translate into higher income. It is very helpful for new teams to get to £1.6m in cash in the first few seasons so that they can be financially stable and get £80k per week income from their balance.

If a team goes straight to III it will struggle in most leagues and lose most matches. This may demoralise the manager and cause loss of interest in the game. It will also mean that attendances are low and do not increase holding back revenues; the fan base will not rise either. So staying in IV may be boring but the manager will keep winning, attendances will keep rising and allow the manager to continue rapidly expanding the stadium to 20k and beyond and fill it out. The fan base will swell as will the bank balance and your young trainees will have time to mature into fine players ready to take on the teams in III when you do promote.

This does require some patience, playing the game in a manner which is not truly in the spirit of the game and of course a manager would learn more from going directly to III and playing tough games weekly against other managed teams. However I still think its the most efficient way for a new user to play the game with long term progression in mind.

Its a matter of personal choice but I think more is to be gained by putting off entry to III as long as you can bear. I am sure there will be plenty of dissenting opinion.

[Hari Sombar]

Thx Zaheir, here's sme info on my team :

India Rules (12202)
General Manager: Prit
Country: India
Region: Delhi
One Day League: #8 in III.9
First Class League: #4 in IV.19
Twenty20 League: #2 in India group 41
Ground: ૐ Khari Mori ૐ

Date Detail
16/01/2008 Finished season 8 in position 3 in FC league IV.19.
05/01/2008 Finished season 8 in position 1 in OD league IV.49.
01/09/2007 Finished season 7 in position 1 in OD league V.128.
28/04/2007 Finished season 6 in position 3 in OD league V.128.
22/02/2007 Ownership of the team changed hands as Prit took control and renamed the team India Rules
23/12/2006 Finished season 5 in position 6 in OD league V.128.
19/08/2006 Finished season 4 in position 8 in OD league V.128.

As you can see, I've been playing for 3 seasons in div IV and V.

Team Pld Won Tie Lost Points Net RR
1. Unbeatable 9 7 0 2 28 13.65
2. New Delhi Dipsites 9 6 0 3 24 11.99
3. Elite Express 9 6 0 3 24 8.62
4. RIGS (Rupesh Islam Glorification Society) 9 5 0 4 20 -2.38
5. HuntingTigers 9 4 0 5 16 2.83
6. durty 9 4 0 5 16 -5.67
7. Pelpal 9 2 0 7 8 -11.85
8. India Rules 9 2 0 7 8 -17.19


Total Transfers: 32
Total Value of Players Sales: £1,953,336
Total Value of Players Purchases: £2,017,258

ૐ Khari Mori ૐ (12202)
Home to: India Rules
Country: India
Region: Delhi
Groundsman: Maheepati Malik
Last improved on: 26/12/2007
Capacity: 46800

Standing Room: 17800
Uncovered Seats: 17000
Covered Seats: 10000
Members Seats: 2000

Think I need to demote ?
I think I can still handle div III, its just the money.

[Straight Bat]

grounds a bit big hari... whats the maintenance on that?

[Hari Sombar]

grounds a bit big hari... whats the maintenance on that?


Yep, I know, I posted the reasons of it b4, maintenance is 77k exactly

[Big Daddy]

hari , how many members do u have? i have about 1900 and even i dont have this ground capacity

[Hari Sombar]

1597, I had money at the time and I thought, if I expand to max now, I wont have to do it ever again :D

Kind of messed me up.

[Hari Sombar]

What do you guys suggest ?

[Hari Sombar]

I just need to get to about +300k and then I'll e fine, I can sell my YP for next season

[Big Daddy]

hari on my member count, and with my 34,500 ground capacity, i get about 240k per one day game and about 220 per first class game. the idea being that even i could expand now but i have to first rationalize the expansion. and that i will only do if the current ground is filled to capacity and until that happens. i aint touching it. you should seriously consider breaking a few seats. raise your revenue to 1.6 million, so u can get the max interest, coz as time goes on, ppl will get stronger and you will remain where u r. not that thats a bad thing but play to win

[Hari Sombar]

hari on my member count, and with my 34,500 ground capacity, i get about 240k per one day game and about 220 per first class game. the idea being that even i could expand now but i have to first rationalize the expansion. and that i will only do if the current ground is filled to capacity and until that happens. i aint touching it. you should seriously consider breaking a few seats. raise your revenue to 1.6 million, so u can get the max interest, coz as time goes on, ppl will get stronger and you will remain where u r. not that thats a bad thing but play to win


How many you suggest breaking ?
And can you do that ?

[Zaheir]

What do you guys suggest ?

Thanks for the information Hari. I had a look over your team. The stadium capacity really smacked us all in the face and you already know this is excessive. You got 16,000 in your last OD match. Based on your membership numbers even if you were winning most or all your matches you would be getting about 30,000 attendance right now. If you demoted to a lower league this would be achievable and you would be making very good money. Your fan base would start to grow again and you would be able to get 30-35k attendance at home games after a time and be flush with cash.

You have the makings of a very good team with some nice players. I would not wish you to sell any of your best players or trainees. If you can make it through to next season without a player sale that would be ideal. If you cannot then try to sell one or two of your average players whom you are not training. Halt any discretionary spending such as ITS investment if you are not in need of pulling a trainee for next season.

I would certainly demote in your shoes. In a seasons time you will be glad you did. Keep both your teams in IV. At the moment you may wish to play your best players in the FC games and go for wins to keep up member morale in weeks where you play the best teams in your OD league and are resigned to losing.

The root of your problems is very much in playing in a league where you cannot be competitive enough to win most of your matches. This is hurting your team and progress. Big Daddy is very correct in saying that if you let this carry on you will be at a standstill while other teams go past you. To progress I honestly believe you must demote in order to advance next season. Due to continued training this season your wage bill will be even higher next season than it is now. You need higher attendances and revenues to keep pace with your rising cost base. You simply cannot do it without taking a step down. Keep trying to win matches this season so that your attendances and income do not collapse further but make sure you do go down. Keep both teams in IV and keep your training going. In a season or two you will have millions in the bank and a stronger team which should be able to compete with the top four in a higher league. Then you can think about promotion.

[Zaheir]

How many you suggest breaking ?
And can you do that ?

Yes you can reduce capacity. Just enter a minus number in the boxes on the ground page to get a quote. I got a quote for myself. It costs money to get rid of capacity so you might find that since you have no money you are better off paying higher maintenance for now rather than spending large sums ripping out capacity.

I pay £62,400 pw maintenance for my 40k stadium. As I mentioned in my last post, if you win all or almost all your matches in IV next season you can expect to get peak attendances of 30k, perhaps a few thousand more late in the season as supporter numbers build. Thats a best case scenario. Breaking capacity would make sense financially since the cost of breaking would be exceeded by the maintenance savings over a season. You will not need a 46k stadium for many many seasons! The very highest I can justify for you being in IV next season would be 35k - and thats really at the very top end of the scale and being very optimistic in figuring in future growth. Somewhere in the 30-35k range is the most you will need over the next two seasons IMO.

[Hari Sombar]

OK, ok, I have 70 ITS and they will now all be cut off. I will be GFI against some of the teams and Tie against mostly others. However the bottom team is a bot and I have to lose to him and wish that he beats some other team by luck, if I want to keep my morale up.

I will demote to IV. I believe the problem is me being in III.9. If I was about III.20, I reckon I could do better.

[Big Daddy]

My Current balance is £11,229,438

and I am interested in this guy

Tim Howell (485532)


LH Batsman, LH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, strong bowling form, sublime fitness.
A cautious player with proficient leadership skills and strong experience.

Plays For: Morgan United XI
Nationality: England
Age: 23 Years Old
Battrick Rating: 62,019
Wages: £28,351 p/w
Processing ...
Stamina: superb Wicket Keeping: feeble
Batting: remarkable Concentration: proficient
Bowling: exceptional Consistency: proficient
Fielding: mediocre

Current Bid:
£10,251,000 by Hoddy United CC

still debating if i should commit all my reserves for this one guy ?

[Straight Bat]

that would be a monster singing.

it depends how your trainees are, if the people you're training will fill up any other gaps in your team then it may just be worth it to go for this guy

[Mohsin]

Hey guys, is this good for a financial situation? :22: :13:

Current Balance: £2,954,205
Projected balance at next Update: £2,961,218

This Week:
Income: Expenditure:
Gate Receipts: 9,156 Ground Maintenance: 16,840
Sponsors: 24,623 Salaries: 14,515
Interest: 27,589 Interest: 0
Miscellaneous: 0 Miscellaneous: 1,500
Staff Costs: 21,500
Youth Academy: 0

Total Income: 61,368 Total Expenditure: 54,355
Projected Profit/Loss: 7,013

[Big Daddy]

Hey guys, is this good for a financial situation? :22: :13:
dude u r due for a stadium expansion and ur salaries are way too low. u definitely need to invest in ur club.

[Hari Sombar]

Hey guys, is this good for a financial situation? :22: :13:


You need to start investing in ur youth academy, your staff costs seem low as well, make sure you got enough PA's etc.

[Mohsin]

Thanks guys, i'll take that on board

[WasimG]

What the...Mohsin has over 3 million in the bank? :O I was only given 200,000 to work with.

[Hari Sombar]

Current Balance: £-220,200
Projected balance at next Update: £-48,831

:) :) :)

[Goldbrain]

Current Balance: £10,000,000
Projected balance at next Update: £15,000,000 :20:

Just thinking how I am gonna get that :20:

:13: :13: :13:

[MCMLXXXII]

Current Balance: £10,000,000
Projected balance at next Update: £15,000,000 :20:

Just thinking how I am gonna get that :20:

:13: :13: :13:

Woah! What happened there?

I want the same bug you have right now!

$5 million on an update? What kind of prize money do they give out in Div II?