Malik NOT to get a life-ban (probably!)

[Officer Barbrady]

The title of the other thread is misleading and irritating.

What Shoaib Malik did was wrong. He should be reprimanded and a couple of 'hard talks' will do. We need to understand that he is 23 and wrongly overreacted. In a way it shows the competitor he is (AJ can laugh at this comment).

There has never been a disciplinary or any other other problem with him in the past and that obviously should be kept in mind.

All this talk of life bans is plain retarded.

[Schiller]

Marooned, not even sure if it was that wrong either given the context. Plus, he didnt do anything illegal, some might find it unethical but others might not.

He did show guts and boldly reacted. the 'boldly' is ofcourse where you can fit in your choice of adverb ;-)

[yk]

COME ON U MALIK!!!!!

[Geordie Ahmed]

Their have been far bigger crimes committed in Cricket!

Gambitt in the other thread posted about the Tri series involving Nz, SA and Australia in which NZ and SA tried to make sure Australia didnt get to the final! I dont think any "hard talk" was given then!

GO MALIK, I APPLAUD your actions :D> :D> :D> :D> ;)+ ;)+ ;)+

[Schiller]

Well done indeed for throwing it back into the face of PCB and the umpire who cheated

[Saqlain_doosra]

Malik gets thumb up for his stance against officials. ;)+ :D> :D> They should be banned for at least a year

[Schiller]

How come the umpire who cheated like a courtesan hasnt gotten 'life-ban' indictements?? ;-)

[Schiller]

My apologies to courtesans, they dont cheat, low-life Ps do

[Daoud]

Im with him. He knows exactly whats going on, we dont. Hed have a better idea if there was some cheating going on. If there was, good on him for letting us all know

I'm completely backing Malik in this controversy. What he did was very bold and maybe he shouldn't have done it but it was a sacrafice for a greater purpose

[Eternal]

I found the 20-20 rules retarded and Malik should be pissed off.

True!

[Pathan007]

MALIK bhai ZINDABAAD :D

[Asim2Good]

Come on guys take it easy
He will get some punished but not life banned
After match he came live on TV with commentators and apologized to all fan and nation and even to PCB.
But his point was that umpires didn’t inform them anything and they kept on telling them they are on time. And as Malik said even scorers said after match that “EVERYTHING IS OK AND THEY ARE ON TIME”. And then some one from NBP (and Malik even name that guy on TV) went upstair and they changed decision suddenly. And that was reason why Malik was upset yesterday. He wanted to tell every one what happened to them

[Asim2Good]

and when you name someone on national TV then there was big problem otherwise he atleast should not have name that guy

[Daoud]

I do wish that Bob Woolmer was there. If he were, the actions may well have been different, or done through a different avenue

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

the guy was a candidate for captaincy in future - He shows he wont be a puppet thats for sure - well done malik - i liked the stance he took

[Annie]

wow didn't know there was such a side to malik...i like it!

[catwoman]

Life ban?! What exactly did Malik do? Someone fill me in.... :L?

[Annie]

nothing to get a life ban mona...ppl r crazy to suggest this...he just made his team (sialkot stallions) lose on purpose and disclosed this during the presentation ceremony that he did so...

[zushy_786]

nothing to get a life ban mona...ppl r crazy to suggest this...he just made his team lose on purpose and even disclosed this during the presentation ceremony that he did so...Nice to see Annie that you're back after a while.......

[catwoman]

nothing to get a life ban mona...ppl r crazy to suggest this...he just made his team (sialkot stallions) lose on purpose and disclosed this during the presentation ceremony that he did so...

I see...thanks. I hardly know what's going on these days since I have no interest in local cricket, lol.

[zushy_786]

nothing to get a life ban mona...ppl r crazy to suggest this...he just made his team (sialkot stallions) lose on purpose and disclosed this during the presentation ceremony that he did so...

I see...thanks. I hardly know what's going on these days since I have no interest in local cricket, lol.Of course you only have interest in yourself and being on orkut as well as having no life.....

[sameer]

well done malik,i am proud of u.
atleats there is some one who can stand out against the biased PCB.

[IceMan]

What Shoaib Malik did was extremely grotesque for he brought the game into disrepute...furthermore the PCB has to launch an immediate damage control exercise because Malik's dumb and idotic shenanigans has essentially reinforced to the whole world that we indeed are cheats and match-fixers....the most tangible avenue Malik could have take pertinent to his grevainces was to boycott the rest of the tournament in mark of a protest for what happened in the match between the stallions and the eagles...that surely would have prompted all concerned to initiate an inquest into the actions of the referees and the umpires....

It is imperative that the board for now drops Malik from the West Indian Jaunt and deliberates further as to what should be done with him for the future.....Malik is still a young kid and at his age he should not be allowed to be so cocky and arrogant and he should be nipped in the bud immediatley to teach him the lesson that he aint bigger then the game....had the same kinda policy been applied early in his career, RawalPindi Xpress(AKH-TOO) would not have gone on to become such a nuisance.

[catwoman]

nothing to get a life ban mona...ppl r crazy to suggest this...he just made his team (sialkot stallions) lose on purpose and disclosed this during the presentation ceremony that he did so...

I see...thanks. I hardly know what's going on these days since I have no interest in local cricket, lol.Of course you only have interest in yourself and being on orkut as well as having no life.....

I have no life? Pot calling the kettle black eh? :P

[feather]

Its really good to see folks backing Malik the other thread was just too much folks asking for life ban :/

Actions cause reactions so it isn't all that bad...nobody seemed to be bothered by what happened the other day so he malik did what he thought was right...he has a team to worry about too and they were all cheated and he made that very clear for all of us...if anything PCB should be looking into this matter and punishing the officals...

anyway brave move from Malik even if he is fined etc I don't think they can ban him for life...I hope he doesn't change and some day lead the Pakistani national side as well.

I guess people forgot how india got the bonus point and got us kicked out of the final...it is all part of the game least Malik had a good reason...

[Amjid Javed]

malik is a cheat plain and simple. if s akthar had done this the thread wud have reached 1000 replys now with ATYS and GA providing atleast 600 replys....

its a shameful day when pakistanis on this board applaud cheating... truely shameful....

[MIG]

Can some one asnwer this:

Is it "Ok" to deliberately lose a match ?


Forget the personalities and dont give me reasons like "What if they held my cat to ransom" or something - this is a simple question - no maybes, yes or no.

[Amjid Javed]

Can some one asnwer this:

Is it "Ok" to deliberately lose a match ?


Forget the personalities and dont give me reasons like "What if they held my cat to ransom" or something - this is a simple question - no maybes, yes or no.

NO.

[pakistani pride]

:D> :D> :D> Malik is a tough competitor who never gives up. He showed that in the lahore odi last year versus india he showed it in the test he got versus aus. He just dont want to lose and because he was so heated and angry he decided to do it !!! And the great thing was he had the guts to come out and tell them what was wrong !

I wud have done the same !!!

No ban maybe some hard slaps will do it !!!

[MIG]

:D> :D> :D> Malik is a tough competitor who never gives up. He showed that in the lahore odi last year versus india he showed it in the test he got versus aus. He just dont want to lose and because he was so heated and angry he decided to do it !!! And the great thing was he had the guts to come out and tell them what was wrong !

I wud have done the same !!!

No ban maybe some hard slaps will do it !!!

PP Bhai!

You didnt answer my question - as I stated - forget the personalities involved - is it OK to deliberately throw a match - Any sports ?

[Amjid Javed]

:D> :D> :D> Malik is a tough competitor who never gives up. He showed that in the lahore odi last year versus india he showed it in the test he got versus aus. He just dont want to lose and because he was so heated and angry he decided to do it !!! And the great thing was he had the guts to come out and tell them what was wrong !

I wud have done the same !!!

No ban maybe some hard slaps will do it !!!

so u wud have cheated aswell ;)+ ;)+ shabash..... wud u have thrown ur dumy or rattle out of pram 1st?

[Big Daddy]

mig bhai
il answer ur qs

pakistan in asia cup of 99 , which we won , we deliberately made weak bowlers bowl to lankan batsman, in a test, till we made sure that we have forced india out of the equation , then akram and saqi fired them and we rolled them over soon ,

the differance then was was , just becoz we ended up winning the tournament and the bonus point being , getting rid of india, does not mean it was a strategy, strictly speaking we did influence the outcome of the match and the series. how is that scenrio strictly speaking any differant.

throwing a match is coined when its made for a financial gain , we all kno the motives here were non commercial but more social. mig u also kno , given that u have roamed the earth for far more then most of the ppers here , that
kabhy kabhy ghee nikalnay kay leyay ungli teri kerny perty hai

[feather]

its a shameful day when pakistanis on this board applaud cheating... truely shameful....

I would consider that more of protest than anything else but than again I don't see you create a thread about the match officals who cheated in the first place...shouldn't you be really after them...shouldn't they carry more responsibility than Malik?

anyway I don't expect much from you as your 30,000 posts speak for themselves.


MIG kindda suprise at you wanting malik banned though...

[pakistani pride]

is it OK to deliberately throw a match No MIG its a crime but this wasnt done deliberately . There was a point to prove so thats why this action was needed !

Amjid if i was informed wrongly by umpires and aeven after the game they wud tell me that everything is ok and all of a sudden some loser comes and changes everything. With that my team gets knocked i wud be bound to do something. After the game and my action i might regret it but at that moment you are heated ! I always want to win anmd if somebody robbes me from a win i can do lots of stupid things !

THe umpires need to be punished not malik !

[MIG]

Feather: I am not calling for a life time ban - that is AJs suggestion and he stand by it - as its his personal view.

All I am asking is for people to stop defending the indefensible - the act of throwing a match , regardless of what came before or after this - cannot be condoned ! Simple - if people acknowledge that , I have no problem.

This ZOO cricket has some issues which we should iron out.

How can we ever send another umpire to the Elite panel when we , Pakistanis , are ourselves accusing them of cheating etc - this is a big mess and to start to solve this mess requires an admission of guilt by ALL guilty parties - thats all I have to say really.

[Big Daddy]

u tell him feather , u can tell mig , coz he cant ban u :)

nah i am just messing

honestly its over reaction , there is nothing to it , many ppl warrent a ban , example shane warne , ponting with his juiced up bat, bret lee with his beemers , ganguli for playing as a batsman (deception), etc etc

[Amjid Javed]

its a shameful day when pakistanis on this board applaud cheating... truely shameful....

I would consider that more of protest than anything else but than again I don't see you create a thread about the match officals who cheated in the first place...shouldn't you be really after them...shouldn't they carry more responsibility than Malik?

anyway I don't expect much from you as your 30,000 posts speak for themselves.


MIG kindda suprise at you wanting malik banned though...

oh was that a personal jibe was it? touchy touchy.... listen il advise u now stick to cricket....! dont think coz ur an administrator etc u can say what u like....

2ndly i dont applaud any officals. however 2 wrongs dont make a right...!

the officals shud be investigated and punished accordingly.. however maliks cheated! plain and simple!

[Amjid Javed]

Feather: I am not calling for a life time ban - that is AJs suggestion and he stand by it - as its his personal view.

All I am asking is for people to stop defending the indefensible - the act of throwing a match , regardless of what came before or after this - cannot be condoned ! Simple - if people acknowledge that , I have no problem.

This ZOO cricket has some issues which we should iron out.

How can we ever send another umpire to the Elite panel when we , Pakistanis , are ourselves accusing them of cheating etc - this is a big mess and to start to solve this mess requires an admission of guilt by ALL guilty parties - thats all I have to say really.

1st off all i never called for a life-time ban i think people on here shud learn to bloody read b4 flappin the gums!

[MIG]

THIS IS AN OFFICIAL CALM DOWN MESSAGE for ALL!!!!

Malik has done what he has - as he said, its between him and the maker - lets not destroy our relationships here !

The next few days will be very interesting to see in terms of the fall out and damage to PCBs reputation.

Now pls everyone, CALM down - I will start deleting inflammatory/abusive posts from now on

[Big Daddy]

thats it , he called a mod a what !!!!!!!

that has to be a strike :)

[pakistani pride]

Its your view amjid i respect that but still feel malik was not treated well result: malik got angry made mistake there is the end of story for me!

[badxhah]

Malik didnt cheat he stood by his team and against the officials.
Malik shud be appualed wat he did not many pplz have the guts to do that.

[Amjid Javed]

i think saleem malik and azzaruddin shud be applauded and shane warne for taking drugs aswell.

its gr8 to see such gr8 sportsmanship in the game...

[Big Daddy]

THIS IS AN OFFICIAL CALM DOWN MESSAGE for ALL!!!!

Malik has done what he has - as he said, its between him and the maker - lets not destroy our relationships here !

The next few days will be very interesting to see in terms of the fall out and damage to PCBs reputation.

Now pls everyone, CALM down - I will start deleting inflammatory/abusive posts from now on
amjid if its any consolation , even i got a warning from mig :)

jo hai naam wala wohy towe badnaam hai ;-)

[feather]

MIG I guess we'll have to agree to disagree I simply don't really see anything wrong with this because far more worse things have happened before and nobody really made a big deal out of those.

For me it is enough that he had a good reason to do this and didn't do this for money like some our national heros from the past.

Amjid get over yourself yaar I am not really an admin so go on and say whatever you like...I have seen and read most of your posts and know exactly how you go about doing things there is nothing personal about this...you won't call the officals cheats over n over again but will continue to do so in Malik case while what he did was a more of protest wrong or right it doesn't matter as in the end it will remain as a protest.


Even in the court of law you can get away with things because they do not only look at the crime but all things that were attached to it and things that made one do the crime and ppl do get away with things.

[pakistani pride]

amjid did they ever say that they commited match fixing?

Shoaib malik wud never throw a game that involved pakistan

[Amjid Javed]

MIG I guess we'll have to agree to disagree I simply don't really see anything wrong with this because far more worse things have happened before and nobody really made a big deal out of those.

For me it is enough that he had a good reason to do this and didn't do this for money like some our national heros from the past.

Amjid get over yourself yaar I am not really an admin so go on and say whatever you like...I have seen and read most of your posts and know exactly how you go about doing things there is nothing personal about this...you won't call the officals cheats over n over again but will continue to do so in Malik case while what he did was a more of protest wrong or right it doesn't matter as in the end it will remain as a protest.


Even in the court of law you can get away with things because they do not only look at the crime but all things that were attached to it and things that made one do the crime and ppl do get away with things.

malik shud have protested in a different way. 10,000 people turned up to the game y`sday and the match was fixed..! people will think twice b4 turning up to such games....!

sadly ur missing the point on what this has done for the game!

both officals and malik shud be made examples off!

are domestic game lacks promotion as it is and where always branded as match fixers...

the whole world has an excuse to continue to laugh at pakistani cricket

[MIG]

Ok sorry - I "flapped my gums" pretty hard there - NO AJ didnt call for a lifetime ban!

[pakistani pride]

Amjid he said he was sorry and made a mistake. It was the heat at the moment he regrets it.......

[Big Daddy]

mig what about my flag , is it a flag or just leaving a message on my inbox , and how do these flags work and can i make a collection out of em :)

[Amjid Javed]

Ok sorry - I "flapped my gums" pretty hard there - NO AJ didnt call for a lifetime ban!

MIG sorry, comments werent aimed at u. sadly people just dont read! not once have i said he shud be banned for life. ive said in my opinion i dont want such a person playing for pakistan. he can continue to do what he wants domestically

[MIG]

mig what about my flag , is it a flag or just leaving a message on my inbox , and how do these flags work and can i make a collection out of em :)

Yaar it was the friendliest of messages - next one will come with a bouquet from Interflora !

[Amjid Javed]

Amjid he said he was sorry and made a mistake. It was the heat at the moment he regrets it.......

heat of the moment? this game was FIXED! If sum1 cant keep their emotions in check at a sporting level then they shudnt be playing...!

this was a so called meaningless match.. what happens if malik losses his temper in a test match?

[Big Daddy]

Ok sorry - I "flapped my gums" pretty hard there - NO AJ didnt call for a lifetime ban!

MIG sorry, comments werent aimed at u. sadly people just dont read! not once have i said he shud be banned for life. ive said in my opinion i dont want such a person playing for pakistan. he can continue to do what he wants domestically

so " ive said in my opinion i dont want such a person playing for pakistan. he can continue to do what he wants domestically"
this in todays english means , not a life ban ?

[feather]

malik shud have protested in a different way. 10,000 people turned up to the game y`sday and the match was fixed..! people will think twice b4 turning up to such games....!

sadly ur missing the point on what this has done for the game!

both officals and malik shud be made examples off!

are domestic game lacks promotion as it is and where always branded as match fixers...

the whole world has an excuse to continue to laugh at pakistani cricket

Why should he protest in another manner his a cricketer and he protested within a cricket ground front of 10K people and made a huge impact on everyone. Had he done so in another manner hardly anybody would have paid attention because nobody did before he let us all know what happened the other day. I didn't see no threads here informing all of us what happened the other day.

Sadly I am not the one who is missing the point but you are who just claimed above that you never said the match was fixed and yet in the above post claiming again that Malik fixed the match....it was rather a protest which he decided to do in the heat of the moment.

Well it is branded as such because this is how it has always been...players being selected because of who they know instead of how much do they know...it takes time for things to change and sadly I dont' see that changing when officals are the one committing these mistakes.

Why are we so concerned with the rest of the world we should be looking to fix our problems instead of hiding them or doing everything in a 'correct' manner so our faults are always known to us but not others...I don't think that changes anything....


PS: MIG I hope whoever it was never makes it to the ICC elite panel because I would rather not have these folks there to represent us.

[MIG]

Feather :

What is Malik protesting about ? What has the system done so wrong to him that he needs to pay back in this fashion ?

The same PCB who stuck by their guns and selected him for his talent at a young age and got him to bowl against all advice - he should have NO grudge against the PCB - instead - he has made all of them look like idiots.

And our international image DOES matter Feather.

We all live in a new global village - internet, migration etc - all of these things ensure that this is not a domestic matter - being telecast to the world also doesnt make it into a local matter , having an Indian comm watching this doesnt help either.

[pakistani pride]

Amjid, Malik is a cool customer you know that. He is a future test player for sure and i remember his test knocks versus SA, SL and AUS all off them were top knocks in pressure situations...........

[Big Daddy]

mig mig mig mig
its not pcb he has a grudge against
its the sponsors , national bank of pakistan , who changed the result , hence the issue , why should sponsors intervene with match raferees ?

And our international image DOES matter Feather.

We all live in a new global village - internet, migration etc - all of these things ensure that this is not a domestic matter - being telecast to the world also doesnt make it into a local matter , having an Indian comm watching this doesnt help either.

Indeed MIG, our image is extremely important. but what is the best way to improve that image? should we cover everything up, gloss over the faults of our own people so others think of us as a decent nation? or do we stand up and speak out against our own when they do wrong? which is the more noble path to take?

[waheed]

Personally think it is wrong what he did, but the punishments being put forward in terms of Life Bans are over the top.

Ideally it should not be the players who have to make this sort of stance, just to make a point about absurd rules.

The officials should be held accountable, and team managment should take more responsibility in getting these things sorted out.

Last year Rashid Latif felt he had no alternative but to walk off the field of play during the start of a domestic match after he felt that the pitch was too dangerous to play on. The umpiries, Management, Oppenents and Officials in general were not strong enough to deal with the situation and he was forced to take the only action he thought was possible.

He was promptly fined and banned.

I think Malik should also just get a fine and a domestic ban for a couple of games.

[zulfiqar]

rashid latif one was kinda stupid tho cuz his team was getting out and he decided to walk out after it was obvoius he woudl lose; he shoudln't have played from the start or just retired all batsmen from the top that would've been fine then

[MIG]

mig mig mig mig
its not pcb he has a grudge against
its the sponsors , national bank of pakistan , who changed the result , hence the issue , why should sponsors intervene with match raferees ?

bdbdbdbdbdbd.........bd(1000)


Its the PCB whose rep is tarnished here - people dont know about National bank - they have these players with humongous PCB logos on thier shirts.

[feather]

MIG he does have a reason to protest his team WON a match and the result was changed is that not enough to protest as no one else cared enough to raise the issue as we all didn't really hear about anything.

Sure the manner in which he done this could have been bit different but what I am trying to figure out is how it is so wrong that people don't want him to play for Pakistan again or are justified in calling him a cheat.

Lets not forget it isn't the PCB who spotted his talent or got something extra out of him. He is the one who works hard not the PCB if I am not mistaken didn't our own expert 'Amajid Javed' said Malik couldn't even hold a bat right a while back. Why give PCB the credit for Bowling him and not him when he knew he could have been banned from cricket?

I do agree the International Image matters but least for me it isn't so important that I would lie to myself and pretend everything is fine while it isn't. Shouldn't the PCB have done something when the results were changed? why didn't they look into this matter any earlier...we all know how smart the mangement is already so lets not even go there...

anyway what do you suggest we do about our international image and how since what malik did is wrong...

Indeed MIG, our image is extremely important. but what is the best way to improve that image? should we cover everything up, gloss over the faults of our own people so others think of us as a decent nation? or do we stand up and speak out against our own when they do wrong? which is the more noble path to take?

[Big Daddy]

but u all kno what the sad part is, it just got discovered that maliks team did the math wrong , and if they would have won the match , they would have qualified for round 2 :)

man this blows :)

but u all kno what the sad part is, it just got discovered that maliks team did the math wrong , and if they would have won the match , they would have qualified for round 2 :)

man this blows :)

no BD, that was the wrong conclusion that our irresponsible media jumped to. from what I have read Sialkot will have failed to go through.

but even if that were the case, I dont think the sialkot team would feel bad about their decision whatsoever. from what I could gather after watching Malik's interview with Ramiz, he would rather not be playing in this farce of a tournament.

MIG bhai, you have mysteriously disappeared. please reply and let me out of my misery so I can get some sleep! by morning I am afraid this thread will have been filled by hundreds of posts.

[MIG]

[quote=Big Daddy]. from what I could gather after watching Malik's interview with Ramiz, he would rather not be playing in this farce of a tournament.

Well, then DONT play ! nobody held a gun to his head did they - go to the press - I am sure Waheed Khan would be dying to get his hand on this exclusive.

Why didnt Rashid Latif just play in a match which he feels was being fixed, then drop a catch deliberately and then come on tv to do that ? Why - because its against the basic ethics of ALL sportsman!

[Big Daddy]

Lahore Eagles, who were beaten by Karachi Zebras on Wednesday night, were left licking their wounds. They had the same number of points as the Zebras (four) but the latter’s eventual net run-rate of +0.284 was far better than the Eagles’ -0.450.

The Sialkot Stallions, in spite of being beaten twice in three matches and winning just once, ended up with a net run-rate of +0.968. Before Thursday’s encounter against the Zebras, their net run-rate figure was an impressive +1.633.

BD, according to the tournament rules I read the runrate was not as important as head to head record and lahore would have gone through based on that.

MIG, please answer my question. which of the two paths is the more noble one to take?

[feather]

MIG bhai don't do a Amjid on us yaar you know better had it been done in a different manner it wouldn't even have reached us and coming from waheed khan it would been dismissed before we all would have given it a thought.

MIG bhai don't do a Amjid on us yaar

:))2 :))2 :))2 :))2

good point feather, NOTHING else he would have done will have gotten this much attention! I think this is the hottest topic on PP that Ive ever seen. more controversial than shoaib akhtar himself!

[MIG]

BD, according to the tournament rules I read the runrate was not as important as head to head record and lahore would have gone through based on that.

MIG, please answer my question. which of the two paths is the more noble one to take?

Sorry time for Juma here - quick reply.

The ONLY noble path is to do what ALL sportsman are taught to do whenever they play ANY sport - to win or die trying.

Lets talk about it a little more if u like later, see ya guys

[feather]

Well I am not trying to pull MIG leg but that is something I would expect from Amjid than MIG I have lot of respect for this man very humble an honest...

damn 400 replies within 24 hours on PP...can anything else beat that?

[Officer Barbrady]

MIG What is Malik protesting about ? What has the system done so wrong to him that he needs to pay back in this fashion ?

He mentioned that the 'protest' was against what happened in their game in Lahore. His team felt they were cheated and it might well be the team that decided to take this course of action (wrong as it was). It wasn't 'him' alone it was team Sialkot protesting.

The same PCB who stuck by their guns and selected him for his talent at a young age and got him to bowl against all advice - he should have NO grudge against the PCB - instead - he has made all of them look like idiots.

First of all they bowled him against all advice because they needed I repeat needed a sixth bowler. They did NOT want to play M Hafeez. They got desperate in a sense. That was the sole reason, I fail to see how it was an act of benevolence on the part of PCB???

As for selecting him at a young age it's two-way traffic. He was selected because he was talented enough, there is no question of kindness in this.

His team had a problem with the organizers (he mentioned the National Bank walay) whom they believe changed the result of a match.

And our international image DOES matter Feather.

We all live in a new global village - internet, migration etc - all of these things ensure that this is not a domestic matter - being telecast to the world also doesnt make it into a local matter , having an Indian comm watching this doesnt help either.

Well international image can eat cake as the saying goes. What will Donald Duck say about Malik's course of action? Or Michael Jackson? I care not what their opinion is on a 20/20 domestic game and a 23 year old protesting the wrong way.

That's not how we must look at it, he was at fault he took a course of action that was wrong. It was plain that he and his team were hurting from what happened against Lahore.

There are better ways of going about this and thus he should be reprimanded and fined along with some hard talks perhaps.

I realize it was light humor feather. just had a stronger effect on me personally thats all.

MIG, before he is a sportsman he is a human being and a pakistani. I have mentioned two options above, I will mention them again. you have conceded there is a problem in the system. the system is corrupt yet it is important to keep a good "image" internationally. so what do you do?

- do you "pretend" everything is okay. sweep the dust under the carpet, gloss over the mistakes of your own people so others may think, atlease in the short term, that there is nothing wrong with our scoiety?

- or do you stand up against the corruption, take a principled stand, and hope that the outsiders that are watching have the foresight to see that if we have corrupt people in our society, we also have morally superior ones that are prepared to stand up for what they belive in?

let me remind you here that it takes a lot of guts to stand up for a principle, particularly one that is scorned upon by society. but in my opinion, the willingness to do so is perhaps the noblest feat of them all. I would like to hear your point of view on this.

[IceMan]

This just in on the local news channel......PCB Chairman has stated emphatically that Shoaib Malik by virtue of his rightousness yesterday is out of the reckoning for the W.I. tour..........Mohammad Haffez and Imran Nazir are in with a chance now

[Officer Barbrady]

He said Hafeez and Imran Nazir are possible replacements?

[IceMan]

Na Marooned...thats my wild guess....Mohammad Haffez, if the management insists upon a sixth bowling option or if they keep faith in the five regular bowlers i.e Akh-too(?), Rana, Shabbir(?), Razzaq & Afridi they would be enticed into picking Imran Nazir to open with Butt in the ODI's

[nedian21]

throwing a match is coined when its made for a financial gain , we all kno the motives here were non commercial but more social. mig u also kno , given that u have roamed the earth for far more then most of the ppers here , that
kabhy kabhy ghee nikalnay kay leyay ungli teri kerny perty hai

ya AJ hopefully can understand this. plz stop calling Malik a cheat. what cheating he has done. iron bats, ball tampering, pitch report , bribe the umpire. what ?? He protested and though wasnt the correct method but he is no way a cheat.

[Hash]

OK.....


What Shoaib did was wrong. But to compare it to match fixing is just ridiculous. He didn't sell his country for money. His team were already out of the competition and he was p*ssed off that Lahore were going through given the nature of their victory over Sialkot so he wanted to stop Lahore going through. Simple as that. Nothing else to it. He has been punished, he has apologised saying it was all in the heat of the moment. I think we should give it a rest now.

[MIG]

I realize it was light humor feather. just had a stronger effect on me personally thats all.

MIG, before he is a sportsman he is a human being and a pakistani. I have mentioned two options above, I will mention them again. you have conceded there is a problem in the system. the system is corrupt yet it is important to keep a good "image" internationally. so what do you do?

- do you "pretend" everything is okay. sweep the dust under the carpet, gloss over the mistakes of your own people so others may think, atlease in the short term, that there is nothing wrong with our scoiety?

- or do you stand up against the corruption, take a principled stand, and hope that the outsiders that are watching have the foresight to see that if we have corrupt people in our society, we also have morally superior ones that are prepared to stand up for what they belive in?

let me remind you here that it takes a lot of guts to stand up for a principle, particularly one that is scorned upon by society. but in my opinion, the willingness to do so is perhaps the noblest feat of them all. I would like to hear your point of view on this.

Ok fine ATYS, there are higher ideals at play here - I didnt realize we were talking about cricket !!

Fine so assume Malik was unhappy , nay disgusted with the happenings behind the scenes - Why, then did he bother padding up and playing his innings ? Did the crowd and thousands watching TenSports know that this was a protest innings - they cheered like fools for his shots only to be told in the end that the whole thing was a farce !

That is what makes me mad about this whole issue.

By doing what he has done, and the coverage Malik will get, he had done the absolute opposite of what he wanted to do ! People are only talking about Malik - I dont see people from PCB or organizers or the Sponsors tendering their resignation in protest!

He acted like a misguided fool - lets accept that instead of trying to raise him on some pedestal. This is not about the poor masses and so he isnt a Lenin or a Marx or a Che Guivera - he is just a cricketer paid to play a game for which you and I ( directly or indirectly ) pay money. Now we are perfectly within our rights to steam into Sheriyars office and demand an explanation for the rules etc but to say that what Malik did was RIGHT is stretching it a bit too far, IMHO

[badxhah]

We are probably the only cricket playing country that faces controversy In 20-20 clashes.

[MIG]

And it starts - thanks to Malik for putting us on the world map !!

From Rediff:


Pakistan's Malik faces backlash over thrown match
April 29, 2005 15:20 IST



Pakistan all rounder Shoaib Malik could face disciplinary action after admitting he threw a match in the country's inaugural Twenty 20 competition.
Malik said his team, Sialkot Stallions, did not chase a modest victory target against Karachi in Lahore on Thursday because they wanted to knock rivals Lahore Eaglets out of the competition.

"We have taken serious notice of this incident and after going through the reports of the match officials we will decide if the matter is to be referred to the disciplinary committee," Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Director Saleem Altaf told Reuters on Friday.

Malik has since apologised, saying he had reacted after feeling his team had got a raw deal in an earlier defeat against Lahore.

The 23-year, who has played eight tests and 99 one-day internationals and who was one of Pakistan's successes in the one-day series win in India earlier this month, accepted he had acted immaturely as a captain and player.

"He has apologised and he has been fined by the match referee, but we still feel he acted inappropriately for a Pakistan player," Altaf added.

"The chairman of the board is not happy and we feel he has sent out a wrong message and damaged the tournament."

If the matter is referred to the disciplinary committee, Malik's selection for next month's tour of the West Indies could be in jeopardy.

The country's inaugural Twenty 20 carnival, contested by 11 regional teams, has attracted crowds of up to 12,000 and is seen by the board as a long-overdue boost for the domestic game.

The Karachi, Lahore and Sialkot teams were tied for a place in the next round from one group. Lahore would have qualified if Sialkot had beaten Karachi, which seemed certain with just 20 runs needed in under four overs with seven wickets left.

The Sialkot batsmen, however, including Malik, slowed down, allowing Karachi to win by four runs.

[MIG]

And the great news for Pak cricket continues ( anyone want to spot the part where his sacrifice is being recognized and lauded )

From the BBC:

Pakistan star admits thrown match

Malik (right) batted slowly to lose a match against Karachi
Shoaib Malik could face disciplinary action after admitting his side threw a game to knock another team out.

Captained by Malik, Sialkot Stallions failed to gain the 20 runs needed with four overs left to beat Karachi.

Lahore Eagles would have qualified in the Pakistani Twenty20 tournament had Sialkot won, and Malik revealed he was annoyed by an earlier loss to Lahore.

"We feel he acted inappropriately for a Pakistan player," said cricket board director Saleem Altaf.

Although Karachi won by four runs, Malik making 88 not out off 53 balls, the match referee declared the match void with no points going to either team.

Malik apologised and was fined £88 by the match referee but will now face an inquiry committee on Saturday.

And his selection for next month's tour of the West Indies could be in jeopardy.

Jeered by spectators at the post-match ceremony, Malik admitted what he had done, saying: "It was all heat of the moment and I apologise to the people over my act."

Malik, 23, has played eight Tests and 99 one-day internationals and is seen as a potential successor to Test skipper Inzamam-ul-Haq.

Former India Test player Sanjay Manjrekar, who was commentating for television, said: "This isn't cricket. This is an insult to the game, spectators and the sponsors."

The practice of contriving results to affect other teams in a tournament is now outlawed at international level, after several high-profile instances.

Australia and West Indies combined in vain to try to knock New Zealand out of the 1999 World Cup.

And New Zealand repaid the favour by allowing South Africa to gain an extra bonus point that eliminated hosts Australia from the finals of the 2002 VB Series.

Pakistan's inaugural Twenty 20 tournament, contested by 11 regional teams, has attracted crowds of up to 12,000, providing a massive boost for the domestic game.

[Daoud]

MIGGY, why should we care about what others think. Let them think what they want. They cant say anything unless they want to sound holier-than-thou.

[Officer Barbrady]

He acted like a misguided fool - lets accept that instead of trying to raise him on some pedestal. This is not about the poor masses and so he isnt a Lenin or a Marx or a Che Guivera - he is just a cricketer paid to play a game for which you and I ( directly or indirectly ) pay money. Now we are perfectly within our rights to steam into Sheriyars office and demand an explanation for the rules etc but to say that what Malik did was RIGHT is stretching it a bit too far, IMHO


Yes he acted wrongly. I am sure he will be made to realize that over the next couple of days. We also need to keep in mind that he is no Harvard professor. He is a kid who made a not well thought out move (in fact his team did) and could have done without it. His action meant a loss-loss situation something a more intelligent guy might not have done! My view is that being a competitor he got emotional over that Lahore incident and acted out of frustration. A fine/reprimand will do.

About the Rediff article, even Donald Duck was on the phone a while back complaining about Malik's actions...it has truely gone international...

[MIG]

Well Daoud - I see your point - but we dont live in vacuum as well.

I am just trying to point out that as with many things that we do, our reputation matters and Malik should not be condoned for doing this damage - lets not defend him - lets be brave enough to say whats wrong.

He will ( may ) miss the tour and he wont be banned forever but people will talk about it forever...

[Daoud]

Disagree. Gibbs for example
When we think of him, do we think of a blatent, cheat who took money to lose, or a ridiculously talented batsmen whos played many brilliant innings. I certainly go for the latter, and this is less than 5 years from it happening. he still plays. Life goes on

[Amjid Javed]

Disagree. Gibbs for example
When we think of him, do we think of a blatent, cheat who took money to lose, or a ridiculously talented batsmen whos played many brilliant innings. I certainly go for the latter, and this is less than 5 years from it happening. he still plays. Life goes on

gibbs is a cheat also and shud have neva been allowed to play agen. ive stated this b4!

[MIG]

And Life will go on Daoud - I am merely expressing my opinion and the fact that we are looking like fools in front of the world!

[Officer Barbrady]

Scooby was just on the line discussing what happened...(he heard from the D fellow I mentioned above)

[Daoud]

Thats your opinion and your entitled to have it. But their reasoning was different, and not everyone shares your opinion either. You can continue calling Malik a cheat (better to leave it in your heart, no need to boost your post count :P) and I'll hope he can continue his carear without problems

[Hash]

at the ned of the day it is just the 20/20 cup I think people are blowing it out of proportion a bit. Malik made a mistake, he has admitted that, he has apologised, he has been fined. I said earlier it is NOTHING like and nowhere near as bad as match fixing where players have sold their country for money. He was protesting an earlier injustice to his team and went about it the incorrect way. He has been punished. That should be the end of the matter. I for one am giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[MIG]

Scooby was just on the line discussing what happened...(he heard from the D fellow I mentioned above)

Huh ? who is scooby and who is D - I want to know, otherwise I will throw my next match !

[Daoud]

I think we're bigger fools for the whole farce of the tournament, but would you rather it get swept under the carpet, or he have gone about it in a different way
I think he should have done it in a different way, but the evil had to get out.

[Officer Barbrady]

Refer to my post time 10:34 am just above!

[Hash]

cheat? How is Malik is a cheat? A cheat is someone who gets an unfair advantage by breaking the rules.

What unfair advantage did Malik a) attempt to gain b) gain and which rules did he break?


What Malik did was unethical (and no different ethically to Tendulkar deliberately losing against Pakistan in the Asia Cup and going for the bonus point instead) but did not break any rules.

[Amjid Javed]

s malik gets the peter ebdon bad sportsman of the week award!

[pakistani pride]

spot on hash !!!!

[Hash]

spot on hash !!!!

;)+

[Saqlain_doosra]

s malik gets the peter ebdon bad sportsman of the week award!

PCB take the award for bad sports body of the week. Now they can make money

[Muzy]

yai!!! about time malik came out of his baby boy image... i think what he has done no one should be ashamed of, ok he's gona get in trouble for it but he's standing up for his team and that shows character no matter what... some people are just taking this out of proportion but anyhow i always back malik so big up my homies SIALKOTI's lol

[Hash]

yai!!! about time malik came out of his baby boy image... i think what he has done no one should be ashamed of, ok he's gona get in trouble for it but he's standing up for his team and that shows character no matter what... some people are just taking this out of proportion but anyhow i always back malik so big up my homies SIALKOTI's lol
;)+ ;)+ ;)+

[Daoud]

s malik gets the peter ebdon bad sportsman of the week award!
I couldnt care less, and neither would Malik. Whe the hell is Peter ebdon anyway

[Gasherbrum]

peter ebdon doesn't hand out match referee of the year awards, does he?

I am merely expressing my opinion and the fact that we are looking like fools in front of the world!

ofcourse there's a higher ideal at play here MIG. do you not think shoaib took a principled stand? whether or not you agree with that principle is irrelevant but he felt injustice was done and he stood up against it. how can you trivialize that??

we may be looking like fools but it is not shoaib's actions but those of the corrupt sponsor that made us look like fools.

you say he's done the exact opposite of what he wanted. and that people are now talking about him instead of the real problem. and I have been protesting this since yesterday. it is people like you and AJ who have diverted attention form the real issue. you want to see a deeper ideal at play here it is. this is a deeply embedded trait in our society. we care about "image" rather than the root of the problem.

you asked a question yesterday, "how do I explain this to my son (how old is he?) "?? I hope if you are going to explain anything to him you explain to him why it is important to stand up for what you believe in.

remember that ear pulling incident? why didnt you stay quiet? things like that happen every day, nay every hour in aitchison. its widely accepted. everyone is OK with it. so why did you take a stand? forget there is a crowd involved. forget that your parents were spending money on you and you had a responsibility towards them to do well in school just like malik had one towards the crowd. hell I could even make a case for why what you did effects everyone at aitchison who is paying to study from the same teacher. should people condemn you for taking a stand? one guy did condemn you did he not? you honestly dont see the parallel here? the only difference is this issue was not made public, shoaib's is. I wonder how you would feel if your classmates got together on a website and started calling you a snitch.

[Daoud]

Brilliant post ATYS. I agree with what you said

[CoolArsh]

Very nice AYTS. I commend Malik to take a stand against this match fixing. He didn’t care about his future, not even captaincy. The real problem in our society is bringing out issues and discussing them. Covering up wont make us a leading nation. We need people like Malik who stand up for Justice. It is even ok to throw a match for a just cause and that’s what exactly Malik did. I don’t care how rest of the world feels about it like Malik said I am answerable to Allah.

[Geordie Ahmed]

malik is a cheat plain and simple. if s akthar had done this the thread wud have reached 1000 replys now with ATYS and GA providing atleast 600 replys....

its a shameful day when pakistanis on this board applaud cheating... truely shameful....

AJ since when did you add All Knowing to your repertoire of skills???? :D

AJ i honestly cannot tell you how i would have reacted if Akhtar had done this! If i say i would have defended him i would be lying, if i said i would have attacked him i would also be lying! Unlike yourself i dont have the all knowing ability :D

AJ i can also turn this situation around! If Asim Kamal did this, you would have contributed 80% of the posts congratulating him on his bravery!

Guys lets not forget that Malik exposed a farce of the tournament. I think if anything this will help the domestic game, it will keep ppl on their toes AND they will in future be ready when some corrupt person tries to screw a little team!

[Geordie Ahmed]

Id like to add ATYSs post was spot on! ;)+ ;)+

[Cartman]

He should not banned for life but penalized for his action nonetheless. He was willing to take a stand for what he believed in, no matter how wrong, so he should be prepared to suffer the consequences as well. He succeeded in bringing the entire fraud to the limelight as well and now we all know the Twenty20 domestic championship is ill-organized and basically a joke. so he got what he wanted, and its wrong to say though that he should not pay the price for the wrong he did.

[Ilyas]

What if Malik has played his ast game for Pakistan? Is it really going to be a big loss or is Pakistani team capable enough to win World Cup 2007 without him?

[shikari]

Ilyas.

WC 2007 is too far. Malik wont get a life ban but he is a great player in ODI's and will be missed whenever he is not in the team

[MIG]

Id like to add ATYSs post was spot on! ;)+ ;)+

I think ATYS excellently expressed a view which I will spend most of my natural life to interpret - the story about my ear pulling obviously was very interesting and requires further analysis.

[Naz]

This side of malik really shows signs of intelligence and courage, even though the result didnt go down well with people, and these are qualities essential in a captain. It also shows that he likes things to be played fairly and therefore he did this. I really admire for doing this and its nice to know we have a player who has loads of talent and also has some brains to go with it, unike most pakistan players who have all the talent but no brains, e.g.
Mohammed Sami, Shoaib Akhtar, Imran Nazir, Shahid Afridi, shabbir....etc.

[nedian21]

excellent post ATYS. spot on bro. we need guys like Malik and in the past Rashid and Basit to eradicate the evils in our corrupt cricketing culture. We all saw Basit's career was over bcoz of his stand against the match fixing saga and I sincerely hope that it doesnt happen with Malik. Rashid also suffered a lot but he had the courage and determination to still come back and fight against all odds unlike Basit who just got frustrated and accepted the fact that it is GOOD BYE FOR HIM IN PAKISTAN CRICKET.

i dont know why AJ is calling Malik cheat again n again. i think he has found his new target. aray AJ bhai u r getting more emotional than Malik. dont jump so quickly to a conclusion and start calling him cheat like Salim Malik or Wasim bhai. he doesnt fix the match bcoz of monetary reasons but just to show and point out evils in our cricket. i know his act was not right but sometime u have to do a *** -4-tat thing (loha lohay ko kat tha hai). i hope now u wud have cooled down and thinking on different lines as why Malik came up with this action (or actually re-action).

Id like to add ATYSs post was spot on! ;)+ ;)+

I think ATYS excellently expressed a view which I will spend most of my natural life to interpret - the story about my ear pulling obviously was very interesting and requires further analysis.

I'm completely lost now. Why was Malik pulling your ears? Did this contribute to the slow over rate? If so how is Malik going to explain that to his son? And if he has a son how is Malik going to explain that to his recently wed wife? Confused. I think we need a national inquiry and I know just the man to head it up - yes Sarfraz Bakwaas. Actually forget that it's much easier just to blame it on Akhter, or Inzy, or that foreigner BW who is being forced to eat pork, or YK depending on your viewpoint. :D

[GamBiTT]

From PCB website:

The 23-year-old Malik, leading his hometown Sialkot team, admitted conceding a match against the Karachi Zebras on Tuesday as a protest against being penalised for a slow over-rate.

Malik was fined 10,000 rupees (around 170 US dollars) by match referee Rizwan Khateeb for admitting the offense in television comments, Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) spokesman Abbas Zaidi told AFP on Friday.

"A three-member committee has been formed and Malik has been asked to appear before it on Saturday," the spokesman said.

"Malik met the PCB chairman Shaharyar Khan last night and has apologised for his behaviour and television comments in public," he added.

However Khan said the incident "may jeopardise" Malik's inclusion in the Pakistan team which tours the West Indies for three one-day games and two Tests next month.

The player admitted in a television interview that what he did was a mark of protest as his team had already been penalised for a slow-over rate in another match, against Lahore.

Lets see what results the inquiry gives.

[zushy_786]

From PCB website:

The 23-year-old Malik, leading his hometown Sialkot team, admitted conceding a match against the Karachi Zebras on Tuesday as a protest against being penalised for a slow over-rate.

Malik was fined 10,000 rupees (around 170 US dollars) by match referee Rizwan Khateeb for admitting the offense in television comments, Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) spokesman Abbas Zaidi told AFP on Friday.

"A three-member committee has been formed and Malik has been asked to appear before it on Saturday," the spokesman said.

"Malik met the PCB chairman Shaharyar Khan last night and has apologised for his behaviour and television comments in public," he added.

However Khan said the incident "may jeopardise" Malik's inclusion in the Pakistan team which tours the West Indies for three one-day games and two Tests next month.

The player admitted in a television interview that what he did was a mark of protest as his team had already been penalised for a slow-over rate in another match, against Lahore.

Lets see what results the inquiry gives.Most of the people on this thread have jumped to conclusions before hearing the whole story which is indeed sad..... Even the title of this thread is misleading and dumb....When I saw it on the posting, I thought he had really done something worse, but getting a life time ban for doing what he did, as some PPer's suggest is reaching idiotic conclusions without even knowing the whole situation properly....

Let the inquiry have its course before people make stupid allegations upon Malik and defame his character.....After reading and hearing reports on what he had done, I think in the circumstances, he did the right thing in terms of protesting for being penalized for slow over rate..... I hope though that this incident doesn't jeapordize his place in the national team.....

[Lahoria]

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, he deserves every bit of stick he is getting. Can't have players who don't respect the game or his teammates.

[Cartman]

yai!!! about time malik came out of his baby boy image... i think what he has done no one should be ashamed of, ok he's gona get in trouble for it but he's standing up for his team and that shows character no matter what... some people are just taking this out of proportion but anyhow i always back malik so big up my homies SIALKOTI's lol

Are you a miss as in female or mis smfan, as in mis-matched because ill be honest with you if i were truly a fan of SM, WHICH I AM, i would be really disappointed with what he did and here u are supporting him.

Mind-boggling!!

[Cartman]

Anybody know the latest? I checked cricinfo site and he is supposed to appear in a hearing before PCB commitee consisting of Shafiq Ahmed, Haroon Rasheed and Asghar Haider. Its also being speculated his place for the Windies is in jeopardy.

[zushy_786]

Anybody know the latest? I checked cricinfo site and he is supposed to appear in a hearing before PCB commitee consisting of Shafiq Ahmed, Haroon Rasheed and Asghar Haider. Its also being speculated his place for the Windies is in jeopardy.Yep, that's the latest I've heard too from BBC online and read from PCB website.....

[Muzy]

yeh i am a FEMALE cartman and if i am i fan of malik and i back him up coz i think what he's done is right, whats wrong if he stood up for himself and his team, and as a true malik fan i dont care what other people think of him coz he is a good talented player and also as some of you have stated he's got brains as well as talent!!! ;)+

[Cartman]

yeh i am a FEMALE cartman and if i am i fan of malik and i back him up coz i think what he's done is right, whats wrong if he stood up for himself and his team, and as a true malik fan i dont care what other people think of him coz he is a good talented player and also as some of you have stated he's got brains as well as talent!!! ;)+

Spirit of the game be damned, lets support Malik!


Missy Misdemeanor Malik has spoken :)
Just kidding!

[Muzy]

lol ok ok.... ha ha

[Master-P]

Shoaib malik is a match fixer and thats a fact. I said that yesturday and my post gets deleted and funny enough what happens today? what happend to guy who said my post was bs? what you got to say on this? it shows blatenly he is capable of doing it if he has to.

[Muzy]

flippin heck man it was a 20-20 match and everyone is getting a bit too excited i think.... doesnt anyone deserve a second chance if they make an honest mistake??? i mean you've just gota take one look at his career, his attitude, his mentality.... he always plays to potential, he's always rearing to do his part for the team & country and he aint got no attitude problem like the other shoaib has... anyways i still think that what he did wasnt out of haste but out of captaincy - ok maybe not the right way of going about it to publicly tell but i guess everyone makes mistakes in life and overcome them..... peace

[Geordie Ahmed]

Shoaib malik is a match fixer and thats a fact. I said that yesturday and my post gets deleted and funny enough what happens today? what happend to guy who said my post was bs? what you got to say on this? it shows blatenly he is capable of doing it if he has to.

Its easy to point fingers at Malik BUT nobody seems to realise that whoever it was that screwed his team should be the one getting criticised!

Bro if something like this happened at your workplace would you just sit there and take it or would you stand up for yourself????

[zushy_786]

Shoaib malik is a match fixer and thats a fact. I said that yesturday and my post gets deleted and funny enough what happens today? what happend to guy who said my post was bs? what you got to say on this? it shows blatenly he is capable of doing it if he has to.

Who are you to judge Malik for his actions ?? I agree for the way he approached in protesting against the fine for slow-over rates was a bad decision on his part, however criticizing him harshly without knowing the full facts is wrong......Let the inquiry have its course before people make stupid allegations upon Malik and defame his character.....

[Fessal]

Come on guys take it easy
He will get some punished but not life banned
After match he came live on TV with commentators and apologized to all fan and nation and even to PCB.
But his point was that umpires didn’t inform them anything and they kept on telling them they are on time. And as Malik said even scorers said after match that “EVERYTHING IS OK AND THEY ARE ON TIME”. And then some one from NBP (and Malik even name that guy on TV) went upstair and they changed decision suddenly. And that was reason why Malik was upset yesterday. He wanted to tell every one what happened to them

Was that the right way to go and tell everyone by throwing a game? was that the proper way to protest? Why couldnt he have taken a better route?

[zushy_786]

Come on guys take it easy
He will get some punished but not life banned
After match he came live on TV with commentators and apologized to all fan and nation and even to PCB.
But his point was that umpires didn’t inform them anything and they kept on telling them they are on time. And as Malik said even scorers said after match that “EVERYTHING IS OK AND THEY ARE ON TIME”. And then some one from NBP (and Malik even name that guy on TV) went upstair and they changed decision suddenly. And that was reason why Malik was upset yesterday. He wanted to tell every one what happened to them

Was that the right way to go and tell everyone by throwing a game? was that the proper way to protest? Why couldnt he have taken a better route?

Fessel,

No it wasn't the right decision for Malik do that, and there could have been a better way to go about protesting for his actions......But I would give Malik a benefit of a doubt....He's a young guy who will in time learn from his mistakes....

[Fessal]

Its really good to see folks backing Malik the other thread was just too much folks asking for life ban :/

Actions cause reactions so it isn't all that bad...nobody seemed to be bothered by what happened the other day so he malik did what he thought was right...he has a team to worry about too and they were all cheated and he made that very clear for all of us...if anything PCB should be looking into this matter and punishing the officals...

anyway brave move from Malik even if he is fined etc I don't think they can ban him for life...I hope he doesn't change and some day lead the Pakistani national side as well.

I guess people forgot how india got the bonus point and got us kicked out of the final...it is all part of the game least Malik had a good reason...

So if Malik was cheated does that mean he could cheat himself? Come on thats not the way as 2 wrongs dont make a right. It's like in society u cant take the law in your own hands just because you have been victims of injustice.

WHat India did with the bonus point is not even comparable. I am not suprised people use that and any other excuse to defend Malik> The situation was completley different as India had no chance of winning the game and had lost already. They needed a major miracle to win and it was impossible so it was important for them to progress to the next round. India didnt delibratley lose the match but set the target for for the bonus point when they had already lost. They adjusted to the situation and requirment for the progression of there team.

I dont know why people bring the bonus point thing again and again as it was a completley different situation and should not be confused with delibratley losing a game.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Its really good to see folks backing Malik the other thread was just too much folks asking for life ban :/

Actions cause reactions so it isn't all that bad...nobody seemed to be bothered by what happened the other day so he malik did what he thought was right...he has a team to worry about too and they were all cheated and he made that very clear for all of us...if anything PCB should be looking into this matter and punishing the officals...

anyway brave move from Malik even if he is fined etc I don't think they can ban him for life...I hope he doesn't change and some day lead the Pakistani national side as well.

I guess people forgot how india got the bonus point and got us kicked out of the final...it is all part of the game least Malik had a good reason...

So if Malik was cheated does that mean he could cheat himself? Come on thats not the way as 2 wrongs dont make a right. It's like in society u cant take the law in your own hands just because you have been victims of injustice.

WHat India did with the bonus point is not even comparable. I am not suprised people use that and any other excuse to defend Malik> The situation was completley different as India had no chance of winning the game and had lost already. They needed a major miracle to win and it was impossible so it was important for them to progress to the next round. India didnt delibratley lose the match but set the target for for the bonus point when they had already lost. They adjusted to the situation and requirment for the progression of there team.

I dont know why people bring the bonus point thing again and again as it was a completley different situation and should not be confused with delibratley losing a game.

Lets foget the bonus point!
What about the 99WC???
What about the tri series involving NZ, SA and AUS???

The above teams have done it and nobody batted an eyelid despite what they did was worse.they conspired to knock a team out to benefit themselves, MALIK was protesting against a corrupt tournament!

[Fessal]

its a shameful day when pakistanis on this board applaud cheating... truely shameful....

I would consider that more of protest than anything else but than again I don't see you create a thread about the match officals who cheated in the first place...shouldn't you be really after them...shouldn't they carry more responsibility than Malik?

anyway I don't expect much from you as your 30,000 posts speak for themselves.


MIG kindda suprise at you wanting malik banned though...

Bhai, I think you are being a bit unfair on Amjid here. Many people think Malik did wrong and even if he was cheated that dosent mean he can cheat himself. 2 wrongs dont make a right and nobody was really aware as much about the officials before. If Malik wanted to protest he should have taken a much better route and not this. It's like if I am cheated by the courts does that then make it ok for me to 'protest' by taking out a gun and taking the law in my own hands? If everyone protested like this we would have chaos in society and in sport it would be a mockery.

Malik shot himself into it by saying openly he delibratley lost the game which even if he didnt say, it was obvious they should have cruised past the finishing line.

[Schiller]

In a perverse way, Im happy he did that. Whatever you say, you cant deny he has the balls to do it
that according to Scarface is what does it

[Schiller]

aj dislikes malik and this has only given him a reason to vent it out, look at it this way GA, aj is not in pcb :))2

[Fessal]

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Even in the court of law you can get away with things because they do not only look at the crime but all things that were attached to it and things that made one do the crime and ppl do get away with things.

Really bhai? I didnt know that. So if someone stole, killed or much worser or les they can get away with ith because other things and injustices attached made them do this?? IF this really is true then there would be chaos and everyone would be taking the law in there own hand as it would encourage many. Even a mentally ill person did something like steal/rob/mug etc he is not meant to be set free but at least in a high security mental health centre.

[Fessal]

Amjid he said he was sorry and made a mistake. It was the heat at the moment he regrets it.......

Thats another thing<. People say Malik was right to make a point and protest. Ok just for your sake maybe but then he HIMSELF admitted he was wrong and apologised. So why the massive defense by many with all sorts of pathetic excuses left right and centre etc// in saying he was right when the player HIMSELF admitted his wrong and apologised?

[Shayan_Sohail]

How can you criticize a player who puts his own career at stake to point out the corruption in the Pak domestic system.

Every cricketer is first a human being (they have emotions) some people expect them to be like robots. Even the coolest and calmest of all cricketers Inzimam-Ul-Haq once got in to a fight with a person in the crowd was he banned for life? wasn't that disgraceful and bad towards the image of Pakistan. He is still playing cricket and is respected by everyone.

What did you want malik to do keep quite knowing his team was cheated. I can't believe some of you guys are supporting the corrupted domestic system in Pakistan. Maybe he did not do it the right way but when you are young and angry you can't quite understand what is right and what is wrong.

Another thing is that obviously it was not Malik's sole decision to loose the game on purpose and the whole sialkot team felt the way Malik did so why single out Malik. Just because he spoke in the awards ceremony. Sounds kind of ridiculous to me.

"Cricket is a gentleman's game" this statement was true about 50 years ago but right now it is not true and the Aussie team is a fine example of it. If team Sialkot were cheated and robbed of a win they had every right to do what they did and if this means no more 20/20 well if we are going to have a 20/20 with corrupton and favoritism it would be better not have it.

[Fessal]

Lets foget the bonus point!
What about the 99WC???
What about the tri series involving NZ, SA and AUS???

The above teams have done it and nobody batted an eyelid despite what they did was worse.they conspired to knock a team out to benefit themselves, MALIK was protesting against a corrupt tournament!

Ok other teams have got away with things but does that make it ok for us to start playing 'dirty'' and 'cheat as well? It dosent make it right and there are always alternative ways of protesting etc.

A few on this thread say Malik had no choice but to protest during a match to get noticed. Maybe, but he could have still protested by refusing to send his team on the field and not turning out for the rest of the tourney after they were initially cheated by the officials. What Malik did was take the law in his own hands and you just cant do that or set a precedent allowing that. If this type of thing such as 'protesting by throwing a game' happens each time a player or team feels hard done by then the whole game would be ridiculous.

Others on the thread try to defend him by saying he didnt break the rules or fixed the match for money or to win....LOL. whatever but throwing a game is throwing a game and actually not trying to win a game is actually against the governing rules. Also, by losing although they may have not benefited themselves but they took it out on another team by knocking them out of the tourney. It's ok to try and knock another team out so u progress further but losing to eliminate another team is out of order and not within the spirit of the game.

Finally, if the officals f***d up and p1ssed off Malik and his team by making them suffer, then how the hell and what fault is it off the team that has been knocked out of the tourney as a result of the thrown match? What is there fault? why should they also suffer just because someone else feels hard done by? they arent the officals or made the rules? why take it out on them and how would malik and co have felt if the situation was reversed and that team did it to them stopping them from progressing further?? Seems to me the team knocked out of the tourney due to Sailkots loss are innocent.

One more thing: people say this tourney is not 'real' and a 'nothing' tournament that dosent count. LOL get real people because even if the interest is low dosent mean its a nothing tourney. How can it be with TV broadcast, fans of 10,000 watching a game, media, sponsors and players getting paid and all?? Surley this dosent make it a not serious tournament.
Anyway its besides the point.
When my brother use to cheat with me in the backyard cricket years ago I use to get angry and five him a whack. Basically cheating is cheating dosent matter how less important the match is.

[Fessal]

How can you criticize a player who puts his own career at stake to point out the corruption in the Pak domestic system.

Every cricketer is first a human being (they have emotions) some people expect them to be like robots. Even the coolest and calmest of all cricketers Inzimam-Ul-Haq once got in to a fight with a person in the crowd was he banned for life? wasn't that disgraceful and bad towards the image of Pakistan. He is still playing cricket and is respected by everyone.

What did you want malik to do keep quite knowing his team was cheated. I can't believe some of you guys are supporting the corrupted domestic system in Pakistan. Maybe he did not do it the right way but when you are young and angry you can't quite understand what is right and what is wrong.

Another thing is that obviously it was not Malik's sole decision to loose the game on purpose and the whole sialkot team felt the way Malik did so why single out Malik. Just because he spoke in the awards ceremony. Sounds kind of ridiculous to me.

"Cricket is a gentleman's game" this statement was true about 50 years ago but right now it is not true and the Aussie team is a fine example of it. If team Sialkot were cheated and robbed of a win they had every right to do what they did and if this means no more 20/20 well if we are going to have a 20/20 with corrupton and favoritism it would be better not have it.

Offcourse everyones human first but that dosent excuse a wrong does it? All people make mistakes but when we answer to Allah we cant use such as excuses as we are humans and make mistakes. Allah Almighty has given us all a brain and we have to try and use it as best as we can. Further to that we cant use this excuse in society for commiting crime by saying in court we are human and were hard done by and our emotions got the better of us.

Look I always thought and still do think Shoaib Malik is a good chap but what he did here was wrong. Offcourse young people make more mistakes and life is a learning process. Wisdom is with age but still if a young person commits a crime doesnt mean he should be let off. Being more understanding why someone acted in a way is another thing but the wrong itself can not and should not be dismissed.

What Inzy did was wrong and was again like u said human reaction. However, the nature of the 2 incidents are completley different with one (malik's) much much more serious. Inzy has been punished rightly although a bit harsh.

Everyone knows the decison to lose the game must have been a team one but Malik is obviously more singled out because:
1- he is captain of the side and has the most responsibility, control and influence of his team especially on the field.
2- He was batting and could have taken the team to victory easily. they were cruisinh
3- He openly admited he delibratley lost the game
4- He is a Pakistan International player and potential future captain, who are meant to be ambassadors as well for the country.

[Officer Barbrady]

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[Fessal]

He was very silly to put his career on stake like that but so was Atta ur Rehman and others.

BTW, if wasim akram had delibratley ran himself out etc to make sure Kumble didnt get all 10 wickets in the Kotla test on 1999 THEN that still would have been cheating/foul play. Cheating is cheating and if what malik did was in an international match then the ACU would have been interested.

[Shayan_Sohail]

[quote="Fessal"]

One more thing: people say this tourney is not 'real' and a 'nothing' tournament that dosent count. LOL get real people because even if the interest is low dosent mean its a nothing tourney. How can it be with TV broadcast, fans of 10,000 watching a game, media, sponsors and players getting paid and all?? Surley this dosent make it a not serious tournament.
Anyway its besides the point.
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You are right those 10 000 people should watch real cricket well what were these people watching in the lahore vs Sialkot game a predecided match where the result was a lahore win no matter what. If you consider this 'real' cricket well enjoy it.

[Fessal]

LOL in the context of the tournament but they still came to watch a competitive match to see there team in action and to win. Similarly when a team has lost a series say 2-0 with 1 match to go then should that last match be considered pretend cricket?? How many would not watch or follow say the last game of series involving Pakistan who had already lost the series say 3-0? ALso, the last match of the windies v saffies is not a pretend match.

Now you are going to say there is a difference between internationals and domestics. Lol in some ways but the games are still competitive and people go and watch it for enjoyment etc so why should they be cheated? and why should the sponsors, tv/media etc? why why why?

[Fessal]

Heres an interesting extract friom the cricinfo article:

In a further twist, the The News, a Pakistan based daily, reported that had Sialkot won, they would have reached the next stage of the competition thereby implying that Malik's move had backfired. Had Sialkot won, they would have been tied on points with Lahore, whose run-rate was significantly lower than Sialkot's - a point Malik seemed to be unaware of.

But he had more immediate problems to deal with: the Pakistan board set up an inquiry committee comprising Shafiq Ahmed, Haroon Rasheed and Asghar Haider, and Malik will face them on Saturday morning.

Malik was also at the receiving end of hostility from the secretary of the Karachi association. "What is the fault of our team?" Sirajul Islam Bukhari, the secretary, said. "The Board should ban or do whatever they want with Malik but why penalise us. We played wholeheartedly to win the match and who can say ... perhaps Sialkot also lost because our bowlers bowled well in the final overs
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So basically the other 2 teams suffered because of Malik's amd his team's protest. And now the news reports that had Sailkot won theyw ould have progressed further. Astonshing and more confusing.

People saying Malik put his career on the line to protest, but what did he acheive but punishment for himself and his team? have the officals been punished etc ? He should have realised he was going to get himself in hot water and nobody else would get touched. He should have looked and seen previous examples in Pak cricket like Rashid Latid, Basit Ali and Atta Ur Rehman.

[Shayan_Sohail]

LOL in the context of the tournament but they still came to watch a competitive match to see there team in action and to win. Similarly when a team has lost a series say 2-0 with 1 match to go then should that last match be considered pretend cricket?? How many would not watch or follow say the last game of series involving Pakistan who had already lost the series say 3-0? ALso, the last match of the windies v saffies is not a pretend match.

Now you are going to say there is a difference between internationals and domestics. Lol in some ways but the games are still competitive and people go and watch it for enjoyment etc so why should they be cheated? and why should the sponsors, tv/media etc? why why why?

It depends if the team was down 2-0 in a 3 match series fairly if they were cheated they would or atleast should have the right to protest. Lets say Pakistan won one of the two games and after the match was done the match referee gifts the win to the other team would you be interested in the third game knowing your team was hard done in the first two games and lost unfairly i would think the players would not be too interested as well but that is my opinion.

[Fessal]

Maybe your right on the above point and you and I probably wouldnt be interested. (I am not much interested in ANY domestic cricket anyway..lol). However, many people were and are interested as they turned out in numbers (10,000) to watch, many were also watching on TV, media, sponsors and players were all interested and especially the opisition and the team that got knocked out because of Sailkot losing.

I am saying things as I see right and whatever happned with Malik and even though he is wrong I have to say I am sad because he had such a clean record. He is a good player and its sad that he could be banned for a year etc sad for pak cricket and a loss but if the decision is made I would have no complaints. Everyone should pay for there deeds and mistakes. Lets hope he learns from this and sincerley is sorry and apologises, never does anything like this again and comes out a better stronger person.

Anyway bhai this debate has been fully saturated..well for tonight at least as I need some sleep. We wil have to agree to disagree on some points.
Allah Hafiz

[Majid Khan]

Looking on the positive side, what this episode has maybe shown is how passionate and competitive a cricketer Shoaib Malik is .. because lets face it , while other players in his position , who have played at the international level, been part of the the success that Pakistan had only recently in India, coming back to a hero's welcome and in Malik's case, he him played a key role in that one-day series, would any other player have taken this tournament so seriously, to go out his way and make such a fuss over winning/losing this so-called 'slogging' contest ? look at our other players, the likes of Razzak, Afridi, Youhana or Inzamam who have only played one or two games and that too would have been on the insistence of the PCB,maybe the sponsors and for a bit of fun more than anything else..

Shoaib Malik's approach in going about to protest over what he felt was injustice done to his team, while it was naive and could have been done through the proper channels, what we have learnt about Malik through this is that here's a player who plays his cricket with passion and one who takes every series and tournament seriously and that probably explains his success for Pakistan in recent times.. he is the kind of player who plays each match like its an important one, not getting complacent against the lesser teams.. that's why Malik has started to perform so consistently.

Obviously in this 20-20 scenario, Shoaib Malik took the stance that he did because he felt injustice had been done to his team in the previous game where they were denied a victory , and even the rules of the tournament had been changed on Thursday morning (or so it says in the Jang) whereby Sialkot would not have gone through to the next round even if they had won v Karachi.. because of their loss to Lahore in the previous round. This meant Sialkot were out of the tournament, whether they won or lost ; so obviously Malik felt it was unfair , he chose to lose deliberately as a way to protest, to ensure that Lahore are eliminiated..

However, you get the impression in this saga that the decision to get Lahore through to the final had been made by the PCB/senior officials, sponsors etc.. regardless of what happened yesterday. This episode only highlighted the blatant corruption and nepotism that exists in our cricket set up, and the manner in which the Karachi zebras were penalised despite there being no fault of theirs, just about summed up the farce that our domestic cricket is.

Maybe from a commercial point of view, with the finals set to take place at Gaddafi stadium , to make it a success.. perhaps on the insistence of the sponsors etc.. the Lahore Eagles had to be given the 'benefit of the doubt' at every opportunity ; be it when the Match referee made a decision in favour of Lahore Eagles in the last minute, after he was consulted (or instructed) by the Lahore team manager... the rules were then changed to accommodate Lahore Eagles such that even if Sialkot won they wouldn't get through ahead of Lahore, and even when Malik messed up their master plan by losing,, the PCB decided that justice should be done by kicking out Karachi Zebras and allowing Lahore to go thorugh.. what justice! :))

Apparently this decision was made by the Marketing director of the PCB (Zakir Khan) , without consulting the senior PCB officials.. and it seems the Karachi team were not even notified of this decision, in writing.. just a late-night phone call to their manager, telling them not to come to the ground tomorrow.. what a shambles!

:O

Looking on the positive side, what this episode has maybe shown is how passionate and competitive a cricketer Shoaib Malik is .. because lets face it , while other players in his position , who have played at the international level, been part of the the success that Pakistan had only recently in India, coming back to a hero's welcome and in Malik's case, he him played a key role in that one-day series, would any other player have taken this tournament so seriously, to go out his way and make such a fuss over winning/losing this so-called 'slogging' contest ? look at our other players, the likes of Razzak, Afridi, Youhana or Inzamam who have only played one or two games and that too would have been on the insistence of the PCB,maybe the sponsors and for a bit of fun more than anything else..

Shoaib Malik's approach is going about to protest over what he felt was injustice done to his team, while it was naive and could have been done through the proper channels, what we have learnt about Malik through this is that here's a player who plays his cricket with passion and one who takes every series and tournament seriously and that probably explains his success for Pakistan in recent times..

Obviously Malik took the stance that he did because he felt injustice had been done to his team in the previous game where they were denied a victory , and even the rules of the tournament had been changed on Thursday morning (or so it says in the Jang) whereby Sialkot would not have gone through to the next round even if they had won v Karachi.. because of their loss to Lahore in the previous round. This meant Sialkot were out of the tournament, whether they won or lost ; so obviously Malik felt it was unfair , he chose to lose deliberately as a way to protest, to ensure that Lahore are eliminiated..

However, you get the impression in this saga that the decision to get Lahore through to the final had been made by the PCB/senior officials, sponsors etc.. regardless of what happened yesterday. This episode only highlighted the blatant corruption and nepotism that exists in our cricket set up, and the manner in which the Karachi zebras were penalised despite there being no fault of theirs, just about summed up the farce that our domestic cricket is.

Maybe from a commercial point of view, with the finals set to take place at Gaddafi stadium , to make it a success.. perhaps on the insistence of the sponsors etc.. the Lahore Eagles had to be given the 'benefit of the doubt' at every opportunity ; be it when the Match referee made a decision in favour of Lahore Eagles in the last minute, after he was consulted (or instructed) by the Lahore team manager... the rules were then changed to accommodate Lahore Eagles such that even if Sialkot won they wouldn't get through ahead of Lahore, and even when Malik messed up their master plan by losing,, the PCB decided that justice should be done by kicking out Karachi Zebras and allowing Lahore to go thorugh.. what justice! :))

Apparently this decision was made by the Marketing director of the PCB (Zakir Khan) , without consulting the senior PCB officials.. and it seems the Karachi team were not even notified of this decision, in writing.. just a late-night phone call to their manager, telling them not to come to the ground tomorrow.. what a shambles!

:O

Good post ;)+

The whole PCB setup is a disgrace

[Daoud]

Well said Majid bhai. Excellent post

[MIG]

Yes, the whole PCB setup is a disgrace but how does that excuse Malik !!

To every crime, there is always a motive.

Just because you had a good motive, the crime doesnt suddenly become OK - yes you can get away on technicalities but a crime is a crime. Fine to some this is not a crime but the principle is the same.

Lets accept that what Malik did was wrong and then worry about PCB, who if I may add, are doing a near enough decent job. This considering that it is a Pakistani organization! The people who run PCB are no better than the same people you meet on the streets in Karachi, Lahore or Faisalabad. In other words, PCB is a mere reflection of what exists in Pakistan ! When the rest of Pakistan suddenly becomes non corrupt, law abiding society, then we can try and make PCB the perfect organization that we would like it to be.

I suppose in that way Malik did what any other Pakistani would have done - kiya batain, Iss Mulk Ka Allah hee Malik hai !

[Big Daddy]

mig u gave us ur thesis based on the argument about crime and motive .

il base my thesis on the theology of religion, hence going one step higher :) ( challange this , i dare u )

in islam , one of belief is ,

"actions are judged by intentions , amaal ka daromadaar neyath per hai "

this means if ur intentions are pure , then that seals the whole deal .

the qs to u mig bhai is , were the motives/intentions/:
A: to seek spotlight ,
B: for financial gain
C: to expose the crime

await ur answer buddy

choose either A,B,C

[Shayan_Sohail]

Yes, the whole PCB setup is a disgrace but how does that excuse Malik !!

To every crime, there is always a motive.

Just because you had a good motive, the crime doesnt suddenly become OK - yes you can get away on technicalities but a crime is a crime. Fine to some this is not a crime but the principle is the same.

Lets accept that what Malik did was wrong and then worry about PCB, who if I may add, are doing a near enough decent job. This considering that it is a Pakistani organization! The people who run PCB are no better than the same people you meet on the streets in Karachi, Lahore or Faisalabad. In other words, PCB is a mere reflection of what exists in Pakistan ! When the rest of Pakistan suddenly becomes non corrupt, law abiding society, then we can try and make PCB the perfect organization that we would like it to be.

I suppose in that way Malik did what any other Pakistani would have done - kiya batain, Iss Mulk Ka Allah hee Malik hai !

You dont by any chance work for the PCB do you?

First of all your post suggests that it was only shoaib who decided to lose the match on purpose. I dont know why is that? Obviously the whole team wanted the same thing.

Where were you when Sialkot were cheated and robbed off a win why did you not post any cheating is wrong stuff then? Where was your beloved PCB did they do some sort of inquiry as they are doing now?

Obviously sitting on your nice and comfortable chair you can only see a person who lost a match on purpose but what you don't see is that he put his career at stake for what he felt was right.

All this fuss PCB made about the incident do you not think for a second that all this is done just so the Lahore team gets into the finals. In my opinion this is exactly why PCB hs made such a fuss about it and has made malik a scapegoat.

What Malik did along with the Sialkot team most Pakistanis would not have done. He along with his team made a brave decision to point out the corruption in the system but some people who are brainwashed with the articles on PCB web-site which has a page long article about Malik's wrong doing with only about one or two lines providing the reason. Most Pakistanis would not be brave enough to put their career on stake just for a small event. but he did and for that i applaud him and the whole sialkot team.

[Officer Barbrady]

Yes, the whole PCB setup is a disgrace but how does that excuse Malik !!

To every crime, there is always a motive.

Just because you had a good motive, the crime doesnt suddenly become OK - yes you can get away on technicalities but a crime is a crime. Fine to some this is not a crime but the principle is the same.

Lets accept that what Malik did was wrong and then worry about PCB, who if I may add, are doing a near enough decent job. This considering that it is a Pakistani organization! The people who run PCB are no better than the same people you meet on the streets in Karachi, Lahore or Faisalabad. In other words, PCB is a mere reflection of what exists in Pakistan ! When the rest of Pakistan suddenly becomes non corrupt, law abiding society, then we can try and make PCB the perfect organization that we would like it to be.

I suppose in that way Malik did what any other Pakistani would have done - kiya batain, Iss Mulk Ka Allah hee Malik hai !

:@

[MIG]

Yes, the whole PCB setup is a disgrace but how does that excuse Malik !!

To every crime, there is always a motive.

Just because you had a good motive, the crime doesnt suddenly become OK - yes you can get away on technicalities but a crime is a crime. Fine to some this is not a crime but the principle is the same.

Lets accept that what Malik did was wrong and then worry about PCB, who if I may add, are doing a near enough decent job. This considering that it is a Pakistani organization! The people who run PCB are no better than the same people you meet on the streets in Karachi, Lahore or Faisalabad. In other words, PCB is a mere reflection of what exists in Pakistan ! When the rest of Pakistan suddenly becomes non corrupt, law abiding society, then we can try and make PCB the perfect organization that we would like it to be.

I suppose in that way Malik did what any other Pakistani would have done - kiya batain, Iss Mulk Ka Allah hee Malik hai !

:@ :)? X) >:)

[MIG]

Yes, the whole PCB setup is a disgrace but how does that excuse Malik !!

To every crime, there is always a motive.

Just because you had a good motive, the crime doesnt suddenly become OK - yes you can get away on technicalities but a crime is a crime. Fine to some this is not a crime but the principle is the same.

Lets accept that what Malik did was wrong and then worry about PCB, who if I may add, are doing a near enough decent job. This considering that it is a Pakistani organization! The people who run PCB are no better than the same people you meet on the streets in Karachi, Lahore or Faisalabad. In other words, PCB is a mere reflection of what exists in Pakistan ! When the rest of Pakistan suddenly becomes non corrupt, law abiding society, then we can try and make PCB the perfect organization that we would like it to be.

I suppose in that way Malik did what any other Pakistani would have done - kiya batain, Iss Mulk Ka Allah hee Malik hai !

You dont by any chance work for the PCB do you?

First of all your post suggests that it was only shoaib who decided to lose the match on purpose. I dont know why is that? Obviously the whole team wanted the same thing.

Where were you when Sialkot were cheated and robbed off a win why did you not post any cheating is wrong stuff then? Where was your beloved PCB did they do some sort of inquiry as they are doing now?

Obviously sitting on your nice and comfortable chair you can only see a person who lost a match on purpose but what you don't see is that he put his career at stake for what he felt was right.

All this fuss PCB made about the incident do you not think for a second that all this is done just so the Lahore team gets into the finals. In my opinion this is exactly why PCB hs made such a fuss about it and has made malik a scapegoat.

What Malik did along with the Sialkot team most Pakistanis would not have done. He along with his team made a brave decision to point out the corruption in the system but some people who are brainwashed with the articles on PCB web-site which has a page long article about Malik's wrong doing with only about one or two lines providing the reason. Most Pakistanis would not be brave enough to put their career on stake just for a small event. but he did and for that i applaud him and the whole sialkot team.

Yes, actually, I do! Yes, I admit it , I am MIG - the chairman of PCB and I organized this tamasha so that Malik could be the hero of the century.

And if the whole team decided to lose the match then, the WHOLE team should be punished!

And yes, I am sitting on a comfortable chair, and so is Malik - millions round the country envy his position and place in the team - this isnt a sacrifice - its what kids do in a playground - I believe the term is "rotoo" - cry baby!

I fully expect Malik to now retire from cricket and start his own Awami party - his motto - "Jo merey marzi wo meh karoonga - baqi sub Allh kay haat may hai" And guess what, he will win hands down as well.

>:)

Look , people, this is my view on life and its a personal one and I dont want to impose it on you so this will actually be my last post on this subject !(Marooned will come up with a suitable rejoinder to this ) Unless I feel like pushing up my post count by another number.

Have to say, that from what I have seen here - not much has changed in Pakistan since I left ( suhaibonline will undoubtedly tell us that we have new buildings and German auto makers etc ) Its tough to explain Maliks mistake to people from a country where law and order means nothing - calling a spade a spade is still a life threatening occupation).

BTW - for those willing to read my post above - I also hold PCB accountable for this mess.

[Officer Barbrady]

:)) Don't worry guys old Migsy is still recovering from the shock of his lovely little 20/20 match with chikaas and chokaas getting messed up. Rumor has it he was motionless and remained still on his sofa for half an hour after that happened (his son had to shake him with full force to make sure all or some was well)...he will see the light and agree with us when he has fully recovered (in abt 6 month and a 100 or 2 from Malik). :D2

[zushy_786]

LOL wonderful post MIG.....I second your sentiments above.....People are jumping too quickly to conclusions and questionining Malik's character without even knowing him or the circumstances of why he did what he did.....

[tahaqureshi]

basically.....malik is innocent because he wasn't given proper treatment by the pcb as captain and whatever he did was no more professional than the way the pcb deals it everyday affairs

[MIG]

:)) Don't worry guys old Migsy is still recovering from the shock of his lovely little 20/20 match with chikaas and chokaas getting messed up. Rumor has it he was motionless and remained still on his sofa for half an hour after that happened (his son had to shake him with full force to make sure all or some was well)...he will see the light and agree with us when he has fully recovered (in abt 6 month and a 100 or 2 from Malik). :D2

That is so true - once the result of the match was known by use of the famous B/B method ( bookie/bribery) , my chair overturned and I was trapped in it until rescued by paramedics....

[MIG]

From Reuters:

Pakistan's Malik faces ban for throwing match
Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:57 AM BST


KARACHI, April 30 (Reuters) - Pakistan all rounder Shoaib Malik faces a ban of one test or two one-day internationals after admitting he threw a Twenty20 Cup match.

The 23-year-old Malik attended on Saturday a hearing of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) inquiry commission in Lahore, which lasted for about two and a half hours.

Board sources said the three-member commission had recommended that Malik be penalised under clauses 2.9 and 2.11 of a level two offence of the International Cricket Council's (ICC) code of conduct.

The two clauses carry a ban of one test match or two one-day internationals and a fine of full match fees.

Malik, who has played eight tests and 99 one-day internationals, admitted throwing a match on Thursday to knock rivals Lahore Eagles out of the Twenty20 competition.

After leading his Sialkot Stallions team to a four-run defeat by Karachi Zebras, Malik said his team did not chase a modest victory target because they wanted to knock Lahore Eaglets out.

Sources said the inquiry commission, headed by former test player Haroon Rasheed, had shown Malik video tapes of the match and he had admitted his mistake.

"He said he was sorry for what had happened and he had reacted in the heat of the moment and would not repeat such a thing again," the source said.

The Pakistan board had taken serious notice of the incident and warned that Malik's selection for the West Indies tour could be in jeopardy.

The PCB is expected to announce Malik's penalty later on Saturday. Pakistani selectors are due to announce the touring squad on Monday.

[Officer Barbrady]

It seems the dust has already settled with Malik getting picked for WI. Didn't I tell ya?

[Officer Barbrady]

:)) Don't worry guys old Migsy is still recovering from the shock of his lovely little 20/20 match with chikaas and chokaas getting messed up. Rumor has it he was motionless and remained still on his sofa for half an hour after that happened (his son had to shake him with full force to make sure all or some was well)...he will see the light and agree with us when he has fully recovered (in abt 6 month and a 100 or 2 from Malik). :D2


Erm Mig, your views re Shoaib Malik? Especially concerning his attitude and commitment (tarnishing Pakistan cricket and PCB's 'image').

[feather]

Erm Mig, your views re Shoaib Malik? Especially concerning his attitude and commitment (tarnishing Pakistan cricket and PCB's 'image').
:))) :))) that is bloody mean!! :26:

[MIG]

When he dons the Pakistani Chand Tara - I am willing to forgive murder !

:))

Badmaash Marooned ka bacha !