The Salman Butt T20 WC Thread [Merged]

[syd_pak]

please provide logic why is was made VC?

his domestic and international records are very average.

Lets forget that for now. The question is will Pakistan have the balls to drop him as a player for his current form?

[161]

he can read ur post ... that's why he was made vc.

[syd_pak]

well I can read and write, may be I should be Captain then :)

[12thMan]

The question is will Pakistan have the balls to drop him as a player for his current form?if the batsmen is good he will hit the balls for 107 m to claim the biggest six. I hope he didn't use those balls in practice

[syd_pak]

"if the batsmen is good he will hit the balls for 107 m to claim the biggest six. I hope he didn't use those balls in practice"

? what ?

[sohaib17]

the only reason i can see are two

1..Salman butt is junior to Malik so it will not cause any rife between Malik and him where as if afridi or someone else will try to create problems to Malik and become Captain

2. He can speak english well

[Kamranz]

the only reason i can see are two

1..Salman butt is junior to Malik so it will not cause any rife between Malik and him where as if afridi or someone else will try to create problems to Malik and become Captain

2. He can speak english well

Good points, However he needs to improve on his batting in all kinds of cricketing formats in order to keep his VC.

I personally, think Pakistan does'nt have any good player that can be up for VC's job - sorry if it sounds sharp.

I think both Captain and VC need to prove a point to justify their jobs in the up comming challenges.
One that is not far off vs Austraila, SA and India in the comming months.

[kablooee87]

I think the selectors painted themselves into a corner when naming Malik as captian. Once Malik was captain, they couldn't really name a senior player as vice captain because that would (a) possibly create friction in the team and (b)show weakness in thenew PCB stance of young players being emphasized upon.

That meant the vice captain had to be someone who was a junior to malik. The trouble with that is that nobody below Malik is VC material.

If I were the selectors, I wouldn't have named a VC.

[syd_pak]

Umar Gul, a non-batsmen maybe?

or non Vice as kablooee87 said

[161]

do we even need a vice-captain ?

unnecessary complication .. if the cap is out just name a temp replacement

[syd_pak]

protection I would say

[Shah]

I don't know if Butt has too many 'vices' apart from playing as if these games were test matches. Gavaskar and Hanif Mohammed would be proud. If Akhtar was in the team, he might have been a better 'vice' captain.

[ammarz]

akmal could have been made the vc. he is about from the same time as malik is and that would have made more sense as well.

[Afridi_Fan]

Afridi shud be the VC the way he has played in Dubai and in this championship so far and he is good at english

[asifp]

akmal could have been made the vc. he is about from the same time as malik is and that would have made more sense as well.

i was going to add Akmal , looks like a guy who would not challenge Malik plus he is WK which always helps

[Zechariah]

Expect a change in the baalance of power as this series is over, It will either go to Afridi or Younis once again!

[DotCom]

akmal could have been made the vc. he is about from the same time as malik is and that would have made more sense as well.

Akmal and Malik, same time, umm NO

Malik debuted in 1998 or so as a substiture fielding in AUS where PK and WI were playing a series down under .. I assume VB series or something..

then in 2001 he played as an OFF SPinner that batted # 11 in the Natwest Series. Broke his shoulder in a collision with Afridi in the outfield, and came back a year later or something..

[skr30]

why was Asif removed as VC. atleast he has a guaranteed spot.

[Lahoria]

Butt was also looked at as a future captain incase the Malik experiment didn't work out.

[Hooker]

Butt is a class player remember australia and other knocks , this is 20/20 its not easy guys.

[Salman]

When will we get to see Malik walking off in an Inzi-esqe manner for a snuzz and and Butt taking charge of the field, should be interesting...

[UJ]

Has Butt done anything as VC yet? Has he been involved in discussions with Malik on field? I doubt it. As Salman says, we'll see the real deal when he has to do it all himself.

[Shadow_786]

BIG BIG Mistake making him Vice captian HELL WHY SALMAN BUTT he was not even in the Odi Squad Or Test & he comesback & is made vice captain now we will get to see him in every Match :6: Vice Captain has given him power now even if he performs bad he'll still stay! this is a BIG MISTAKE!

[siddharth]

Have u read saj bhai's polite reminder thread.. :P

[Amoeba]

Yes Akmal could make VC - he is more non-playing than even Butt. Missed another stumping today. Actually don't have to say that. When he makes one that's News!

[Cric-PhotoPassionate]

Has Butt done anything as VC yet? Has he been involved in discussions with Malik on field? I doubt it. As Salman says, we'll see the real deal when he has to do it all himself.

Yes, He worked hard to waste ball and taking press conferences on behalf of captain. More interestingly, he can speak english. Didn't you know it?

Has he been involved in discussions with Malik on field? <-- well, He doesn't need to talk to captain otherwise his talent will be wasted in advice and he doesn't set field too otherwise he will be exposed :)))

[Toony™®]

Was farhat decision to play for the ICL based on him not being included in the 2020 squad?

If so, what were the selectors thinking?

by far he has the best strike rate/average of the openers used so far

[Shehzad Ali]

Forget Farhat. The guy is very sensitive. Dropp him once and his Dad threatens the pcb, We don't need controversial figures like that.

[Hash]

The vice captain is not such an important role but I don't see who else could have it, to be honest.

Butt is a definite starter in tests and ODIs. He needs some time to build his innings and accumulate his runs.

Maybe 20-20 just isn't his game?

[Shehzad Ali]

[QUOTE=Hash]

Butt is a definite starter in tests and ODIs. He needs some time to build his innings and accumulate his runs.

QUOTE]

How can a severely one sided limited batsman be a definite?


Let's not talk about his hundreds against India against that poor seam attack then which virtually few him runs at his limited areas.

[desidudecool]

the same reason nasir hussain was seen as a potention captain eventhough he was nt the best batsman in the world.he is matured and well spoken definitely a good bet as future captain of pakistan if he can improve his batting.give him some time.

[harrybeg]

I've notice , salman butt hasnt proved or acted like an VC ?

all I can see is Afridi calming the bowlers down if they're smashed for a shot or telling them where to replace the ball ?

shoaib Malik , and afridi have been particular acting like captain/vice captains.

[harrybeg]

Akmal or Afridi should be captain from my point of view?

[Usman Chadda]

Was farhat decision to play for the ICL based on him not being included in the 2020 squad?

If so, what were the selectors thinking?

by far he has the best strike rate/average of the openers used so far

We already have Nazir for playing suicidal shots early in the innings. We dont need another lunatic (who is also severely limited may I add)

[muhammad saad]

Guess what its no 11.
no no no
not a joke I m serious , this way Pak will not break thier superstitious winning combination and also get away with his....................

[down4whatever]

lol, i was thinking no. 11 entering this topic.

[muhammad saad]

I dont eat my words even if he scores 50 today.

[muhammad saad]

lol, i was thinking no. 11 entering this topic.
and whats the point of laughing? arent you agree with me?

[down4whatever]

and whats the point of laughing? arent you agree with me?

yes, i agree with you, hence the laugh

[skr30]

I was thinking the bench.

[muhammad saad]

No I m concerned with superstitions which PAK team having currently, its a perfect way to satisfy it as well.

[tanvy]

I was thinking the bench.
Send him to Zimbawe for vacation while the World Cup is going on!

[161]

I dont eat my words even if he scores 50 today.


if he does it will take him 100 deliveries to do it at his current rate

[muhammad saad]

How many fours he hit in his current innins of 19 balls guess what? none.(easy guess eh?)

[in_cutter]

what the hell is Butt saab playing at!?

[muhammad saad]

22 balls without boundary.

[muhammad saad]

a ball.

[in_cutter]

a ball.

what the size of a peanut...

[skr30]

I think its his bat thats the size of a toothpick...

[MIB]

Kick him into the middle of the sea when he returns to pak by Air

[muhammad saad]

I dont mind playing with 10 players.

[Savak]

He needs to be benched. This guy creates too much pressure for the other batters. He is the main source of our problems. I think we should open with Afridi and Hafeez. Imran Nazir looks much more comfortable in the middle order. Yasir Arafat or Fawad Alam should be included in the squad in Butts place.

[Cric-PhotoPassionate]

Ideal position for Mr. Butt in twenty/20 is dressing room or 12th man or waterman on boundery line.

[Osman]

He should be dropped for Yasir Arafat ... his dismissal today summed up his woes.

[muhammad saad]

Twenty20 Int. debut Junaid Siddique (Bangladesh)
Twenty20 debut Junaid Siddique (Bangladesh)
Player of the match Junaid Siddique (Bangladesh)

can we trade butt for him for rest of the tournament. Also we should give those 7 lacs rupees which suppose to be Butt's to that guy.
I wonder how will Butt react to the situation if this really happens.

Musharraf saying to Butt.
Haha haha tujhey to bat pakarna bhee nahin aata tu team mein kya kar raha hai?

Salman Butt in his "ENGLIS"
Well you know that I m the Vice captain of the team.

Musharraf
Hain? cricket mein phir se rule change ho gaye kya? ab saamney walee team ka player bhee team mein aakar Vice Captain ban jaata hai?

Butt with anger
Excuse me you calling me Bengali?

Musharraf
acha to tu Bangali nahin hai? chal theek hai I will give your 7 lac to that poor Bangali child JUNAID SIDDIQ.

Butt
Nahin pls mujhey paisey de do merey chotey chotey....... balley khareed ney hain takey un ko mein utha sakoon.

Musharraf
Chup kar Oae Khoteya.
Musharraf giving him a hard punch on Mr Butt' butts and leave.

Butt
Ro raha hai jaaker chup karao








THIS IS ALL FICITIOUS STORY BY ME . HAHA I HOPE YOU LIKE IT

[Monsee]

Ideal position for Mr. Butt in twenty/20 is dressing room or 12th man or waterman on boundery line.


Naah, he will look better sitting in as a spectator...in the stands

[in_cutter]

Naah, he will look better sitting in as a spectator...in the stands


...then hope Afridi smashes a six right on his head :P

[junaidmalik]

Twenty20 Int. debut Junaid Siddique (Bangladesh)
Twenty20 debut Junaid Siddique (Bangladesh)
Player of the match Junaid Siddique (Bangladesh)

can we trade butt for him for rest of the tournament. Also we should give those 7 lacs rupees which suppose to be Butt's to that guy.
I wonder how will Butt react to the situation if this really happens.

Musharraf saying to Butt.
Haha haha tujhey to bat pakarna bhee nahin aata tu team mein kya kar raha hai?

Salman Butt in his "ENGLIS"
Well you know that I m the Vice captain of the team.

Musharraf
Hain? cricket mein phir se rule change ho gaye kya? ab saamney walee team ka player bhee team mein aakar Vice Captain ban jaata hai?

Butt with anger
Excuse me you calling me Bengali?

Musharraf
acha to tu Bangali nahin hai? chal theek hai I will give your 7 lac to that poor Bangali child JUNAID SIDDIQ.

Butt
Nahin pls mujhey paisey de do merey chotey chotey....... balley khareed ney hain takey un ko mein utha sakoon.

Musharraf
Chup kar Oae Khoteya.
Musharraf giving him a hard punch on Mr Butt' butts and leave.

Butt
Ro raha hai jaaker chup karao

THIS IS ALL FICITIOUS STORY BY ME . HAHA I HOPE YOU LIKE IT


this reminds me of Takiya Batain with Mushy and Bush on Geo

[harrybeg]

C'monn guys you shouldnt insult him that much :P give him a rest if he got a problem let him sort it out he's quite young

opening is really hard I open and it's difficult :P

[muhammad saad]

C'monn guys you shouldnt insult him that much :P give him a rest if he got a problem let him sort it out he's quite young

opening is really hard I open and it's difficult :P
Its not the insult it is the frustration.

[dinakar]

now Sehwag can console himself that there is someone else the world who sleeps while running btw the wickets :))

[zam]

Brother, remember But Butt was the one of the luckiest guy who palyed with the sweeeper power...

yes there is no place for superstitious in game!!!

game is a game should be played like players, if other three guys are not up to the standard why u selected them or give them a chance. just for the sake of competition....

[f41z4n]

No doubt the bench

[pola]

the dug out

[Toony™®]

We already have Nazir for playing suicidal shots early in the innings. We dont need another lunatic (who is also severely limited may I add)

his domestic record for 2020 is better than the openers who got chosen.


i would of chosen him over butt..he consumes far too many balls.

Butt's running is also a problem..been involved in far too many silly runouts.

[harrybeg]

I dont think he's ready for "international level" ?

[faisalm]

Do YOU want to bring happiness to millions of young, traumatized (by Butt's batting) children who's only chance of happiness this Eid is watching the victorious Pakistan cricket team parading through the streets of Karachi holding the World Cup aloft?

Well a small donation to the 'Drop Butt Fund' could make this dream come true. How this works is that the fund replaces the $955,000 the team had a chance of winning if it wasn't for Salman Butt. This would really help motivate the players and help bring joy to many lives (so don't be a cheap skate).

Also to prevent the team from just accept the cash and not try, they only receive the cash if they win the tournament. So make a difference for the better good of humanity.

[Oxy]

Butt's running is also a problem..been involved in far too many silly runouts.
fck7O4rFgNc

[harrybeg]

Yeah , that was a shame :P , he needs to wake up !

[deviously~fading~away]

Butt has the capability to be a very good opener for pakistan in test cricket and to an extent odi cricket but t20? i don't know what to say, what can i say that has not been said already?

[KaSaNoVa_G]

I give up with him.. every match i ask why his in the team.. im sure my last 300 posts are about him apart from the odd Arsenal one lol ...

Why Salman Butt is in the 20/20 well i dont think anyone can answer that 1 ..

[Momo]

Why does English keep coming up so often? What has that got to do with the vice-captaincy? If the remarkable english prowess of Inzi couldnt stop him from becoming captain, why cant say, Akki become the vice captain?

[Momo]

You will hear this pretty soon.
I can tell because of the following fact:

He is sharamsaar about his performance and the proof was the way he tried to prevent his runout. The half-hearted attempt showed that even he didnt think he should stay at the wicket.
Thats why he will announce his unavailability for semifinals himself and put everybody (including himself) out of misery. He may even feign an injury.

You will hear it on Saturday probably. He must do it.

If he doesnt, then GOD HELP US.

[iZeeshan]

Hmm, maybe you are right. Even a gully cricketer doesn't run that bad...

[Usman Chadda]

I dont know what has happened to him. Salman used to be a good lofter of the ball, suddenly he looks like he doesnt have a single shot in the book that he can use in Twenty20s

[Wazeeri]

The title needs to be changed, this isn't really a 20/20 world cup. It is just a tournament.

[12thMan]

In 5 matches Butt has hit only 7 fours. None today against Bangladesh. Opposition has been showing bad sportsmanship and are placing fielders at the wrong places.

[Amoeba]

Why does English keep coming up so often? What has that got to do with the vice-captaincy? If the remarkable english prowess of Inzi couldnt stop him from becoming captain, why cant say, Akki become the vice captain?

Because any right minded citizen of the great Islamic (!) Republic of Pakistan was throughly ashamed whenever Inzi opened his mouth in the post match interview. I mean he even insisted in saying something in arabic before answering the question which had nothing to do with the matter in hand. It went something like Bismil something maan something heem something - can't quite recall.

Finally we have someone we can be proud of in Butt. He speaks fantastic English which saves our blushes and obviously means he's a great player. He has had a great T20 WC and he must have scored more match-winning knocks than Inzi - right?

[Farhad]

Because any right minded citizen of the great Islamic (!) Republic of Pakistan was throughly ashamed whenever Inzi opened his mouth in the post match interview.

Well, even his dwindling number of fans would agree that he hardly ever fail to make a spectacle of himself whenever he did try to speak any English.



I mean he even insisted in saying something in arabic before answering the question which had nothing to do with the matter in hand. It went something like Bismil something maan something heem something - can't quite recall.

Majority of two-faced Mullahs, considered by many to be the root cause of social ills in Pak say that regularly - does not make them any desirable really considering their track records.




Finally we have someone we can be proud of in Butt. He speaks fantastic English which saves our blushes and obviously means he's a great player. He has had a great T20 WC and he must have scored more match-winning knocks than Inzi - right

Actually, Salman's good friend, the skipper Malik speaks better. Butt has not had a great 20/20 tournament so far, and whether he eventually scores more match-winning knocks for Pak (more importantly in the Tests and ODI formats) than inzamam is anybody's guess as he has years and years to play and is not quite the finished article yet.

One thing though which is far more relevant regarding being a leader and differentiates him from Inzamam - that Salman has not achieved the distintiction of being labelled a dictator by team mates like the ex-player was just a few months ago....

[W63L35]

Just noticed that Butt has the LOWEST strike rate among all the batsmen in the T20 WC, who have scored a total of 55 or more runs. :)

http://stats.cricinfo.com/twenty20wc/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=3115;type=tournament

[farhan]

why we don't give the chance to fawad alam or yasir arafat to play instead of butt? lawson has to interfere in this matter, otherwise results would be the same for pakistan .

[Amoeba]

One thing though which is far more relevant regarding being a leader and differentiates him from Inzamam - that Salman has not achieved the distintiction of being labelled a dictator by team mates like the ex-player was just a few months ago....

Don't make me laugh - no I forgot you don't! Who would listen to the little pipsqueak in the first place. He has only been given the vc because he is even more junior than Malik and went to a decent school.

As for Inzy being labelled a dictator - firstly if it's good enough for the nation's Government why not the nation's cricket team? Secondly when has international sport ever been a democracy? The best leaders have always been forceful characters who knew their own minds. People like Border, Lloyd, Richards and Imran come to mind. In fact your hero Imran was feared by everyone including the board. Don't notice you criticising him....

[Amoeba]

Despite all his faults (according to Farhad) I never recall Inzi being dropped for a semi-final against NZ. In fact I do remember in the dim and distant past that Inzy was in fact largely responsible for winning one of those games. I could be mistaken though.

5 games - that's all it's taken for the inevitable to come true i.e. for Butt to be a non-playing VC! Alam did more in one game than Butt has done in the whole tournament.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Thank god he was finally dropped BUT surely the management should have realised the guy wasnt much use when he made that video (the one they show when a new batsman arrives at the crease), i mean his favourite shot is the singles in the gaps :))) :)))

[Muyazzim Khan]

What stupidy to compare the no-hoper Salman Butt with a legend like Inzi. Salman Butt is a third rate player.

Almost all left handers of any note are extremley good at hitting balls that merely angle towards their pads but Mr Butt is so rubbish he can only manage at best to find the only fielder on the onside which is square leg fielder.

According to Farhad Butt is young and he might yet achieve more than Inzi, well Inzi needn't lose any sleep because Butt will continue to be flashing outside off stump with both his feet glued to the pitch outside leg his stump at the end of his career like he has been since the begining of his career. His has regressed rather than progressed since the begining of his career and to make him Vice Captain is a joke, I wonder how much payiah has been put together to give him that status.