afridi's batting test average, is it misleading?

[moz]

37.40 is what it current stands at and is even better against just sub continent teams albeit quite low against australia.

is he good enough to bat in the lower order and as part of our bowling attack?

i think he could be a very good test bowler, very little difference between him and kaneria if you remove kaneria's stats against the minnows....

[moz]

i think he is very capable at test level and as a test bowler,

there was a period around 2005 when he was playing very well and so were pakistan...coincidence?

[jackal786]

Afridi ranks 51 in ICC ranking as a batsman ranks 50 as a bowler. Kaneria ranks 14 as a bowler. I am perplexed to see this repeated comparisons between an orthodox leg spinner and a part time spinner.

[moz]

but danish is given all the considrations of an out and bowler too, preparation etc. its ownly recently even in ond dayers that afridi is considered a bowler.

the man is a very good, quite smart all round cricketer...

dont know what goes on in that head of his though..

[CricketBuff]

In Test matches we play a specialist, not a part-timer. So it has to be Danish Kaneria. Afridi is tailor-made for ODI but does not fit into a Test side.

[DM]

Afridi is more valuable to our test team than many of the players in the squad, and that includes Kaneria.

[aussiecricketer]

Agree DM.

The Pakistan test team to me is weaker than the Bangladesh test team. The batsmen Younis Khan, Yousuf and Malik, can't score quickly.

The bowling sucks.

Afridi is a wildcard.

India 3-0 !!!!

[aussiecricketer]

Afridi ranks 51 in ICC ranking as a batsman ranks 50 as a bowler. Kaneria ranks 14 as a bowler. I am perplexed to see this repeated comparisons between an orthodox leg spinner and a part time spinner.
Kaneria averages 33 with the ball. Afridi 35. What a massive difference. Are you still perplexed?

[PlanetPakistan]

Agree DM.

The Pakistan test team to me is weaker than the Bangladesh test team. The batsmen Younis Khan, Yousuf and Malik, can't score quickly.

The bowling sucks.

Afridi is a wildcard.

India 3-0 !!!!
bhai sahib calm down. It was a mistake to leave Afridi out but there has been a massive overreaction.

[invincible]

Agree DM.

The Pakistan test team to me is weaker than the Bangladesh test team. The batsmen Younis Khan, Yousuf and Malik, can't score quickly.

The bowling sucks.

Afridi is a wildcard.

India 3-0 !!!!
Being an australian yourself, your post is very informative ... Under present circumstances after two straight series losses, I expect Pak to come hard at India ... If we can win the series, I will be happy :)

[aussiecricketer]

Being an australian yourself, your post is very informative ... Under present circumstances after two straight series losses, I expect Pak to come hard at India ... If we can win the series, I will be happy :)
Your kidding yourself. The Pakistan test team is similar to the Bangladesh test team at the moment.

[Nauman]

Your kidding yourself. The Pakistan test team is similar to the Bangladesh test team at the moment.
Yes being an Australian yourself you would know that.

[aussiecricketer]

Yes being an Australian yourself you would know that.

Yes being the world champions we would know that. We Australia, play agressive cricket, day in and day out. We have 11 aggressive cricketers. We don't want any defensive players. Its a simple strategy.

Yet Pakistan can't learn from this strategy. They have 2 attackive players Afridi and Akhtar. They drop one. Left with one attackive player. Its stupid, and so stupid that the decision is priceless. It just reiterates the point in that Australian fringe players need to play for Pakistan to make some decent competition. Especially when Pakistan drop there most dangerous player, for a guy who averages 19 with the bat.

Also mods, you can check my ip address and see where im from. I have a degree in IT.

I would like you to check my ip, then confirm it is in Australia. And then tell everyone that i am an aussie, so you can clarify it. Don't give exact address, but clarify that im in OZ. Thanks mods.

[zaf1986]

Kaneria averages 33 with the ball. Afridi 35. What a massive difference. Are you still perplexed?
Kaneria has 200 wickets, Afridi doesn't even have half that.

Yes, Afridi bowled a fine spell at Bangalore last time around, but he isn't capable of doing it time and time again, and he isn't capable, in the way Kaneria is, or even useful, bowling long spells. In Australia, he bowled a long spell and was useless. In India, he bowled four over spells and was devastating. In the current situation, especially with Shoaib Akhtar in the team, and a four bowler strategy, we need someone who can bowl long spells.

[aussiecricketer]

Kaneria has 200 wickets, Afridi doesn't even have half that.

Yes, Afridi bowled a fine spell at Bangalore last time around, but he isn't capable of doing it time and time again, and he isn't capable, in the way Kaneria is, or even useful, bowling long spells. In Australia, he bowled a long spell and was useless. In India, he bowled four over spells and was devastating. In the current situation, especially with Shoaib Akhtar in the team, and a four bowler strategy, we need someone who can bowl long spells.

Well Kaneria isn't the answer. And Afridi is a good test batsmen. Kaneria is a bad bowler. SImple as that.

If you think Pakistan has half a chance. Your being dillusional.

[DM]

Yes being the world champions we would know that. We Australia, play agressive cricket, day in and day out. We have 11 aggressive cricketers. We don't want any defensive players. Its a simple strategy.

Yet Pakistan can't learn from this strategy. They have 2 attackive players Afridi and Akhtar. They drop one. Left with one attackive player. Its stupid, and so stupid that the decision is priceless. It just reiterates the point in that Australian fringe players need to play for Pakistan to make some decent competition. Especially when Pakistan drop there most dangerous player, for a guy who averages 19 with the bat.
Great post, totally agree on the aggressive matchwinners being Akhtar and Afridi.

[zaf1986]

Well Kaneria isn't the answer. And Afridi is a good test batsmen. Kaneria is a bad bowler. SImple as that.
If Kaneria isn't the answer, Afridi isn't either.


If you think Pakistan has half a chance. Your being dillusional.
That's what they said in '05. Go check what happened.

[Saj]

Also mods, you can check my ip address and see where im from. I have a degree in IT.

Yep, the man's definitely from Australia, I've checked his IP address.

How can an average be misleading, unless someone has only played in a few matches or only played mainly against minnows ? What you see, is what you get when it comes to averages as far as I am concerned.

[aussiecricketer]

If Kaneria isn't the answer, Afridi isn't either.



That's what they said in '05. Go check what happened.

Pakistan don't have the players to do it this tour. All they have is Akhtar. But im sure the Indians will be able to see him off. Im expecting a few 200 run defeats. And i think its going to be a combination of selectors and captaincy problems.

[aussiecricketer]

Yep, the man's definitely from Australia, I've checked his IP address.

How can an average be misleading, unless someone has only played in a few matches or only played mainly against minnows ? What you see, is what you get when it comes to averages as far as I am concerned.
Thanks mate.

[zaf1986]

Pakistan don't have the players to do it this tour. All they have is Akhtar. But im sure the Indians will be able to see him off. Im expecting a few 200 run defeats. And i think its going to be a combination of selectors and captaincy problems.

The bowling attack in '05 (to which India got out in a session and a half at Bangalore):
Mohammad Sami (bowling average: 48)
Abdul Razzaq (bowling average: 37)
Danish Kaneria (bowling average: 31)
Shahid Afridi (bowling average: 35)
Arshad Khan (bowling average: 30)

I'm not saying we're going to win...but not hammered either.

[DHONI183]

Yes being the world champions we would know that. We Australia, play agressive cricket, day in and day out. We have 11 aggressive cricketers. We don't want any defensive players. Its a simple strategy.

Yet Pakistan can't learn from this strategy. They have 2 attackive players Afridi and Akhtar. They drop one. Left with one attackive player. Its stupid, and so stupid that the decision is priceless. It just reiterates the point in that Australian fringe players need to play for Pakistan to make some decent competition. Especially when Pakistan drop there most dangerous player, for a guy who averages 19 with the bat.

Also mods, you can check my ip address and see where im from. I have a degree in IT.

I would like you to check my ip, then confirm it is in Australia. And then tell everyone that i am an aussie, so you can clarify it. Don't give exact address, but clarify that im in OZ. Thanks mods.

Yes - Aussies do produce aggressive players but only responsible ones. Every Aussie cricketer have got to have both these ingredients to be in the national team. I bet they would have thrown a cricketer away who skies the ball in the air in a series deciding match when just 15 runs were required off four overs and just staying out there was the key and the ask of the situation. They produce aggressive cricketers and not silly ones. Australians would never had four World Cups in the bag if they would have persisted with such players.

[deviously~fading~away]

Kaneria has 200 wickets, Afridi doesn't even have half that.

Yes, Afridi bowled a fine spell at Bangalore last time around, but he isn't capable of doing it time and time again, and he isn't capable, in the way Kaneria is, or even useful, bowling long spells. In Australia, he bowled a long spell and was useless. In India, he bowled four over spells and was devastating. In the current situation, especially with Shoaib Akhtar in the team, and a four bowler strategy, we need someone who can bowl long spells.
Does logic have a heart attack when it comes to discussing Afridi? The reason why kaneria has 200 wickets is b/c he plays every single test match that Pakistan play and to top it off bowls almost 40-50 over per inning. Give Afridi a run like that and he would pick up 200 odd wickets.
PS- most of the times Kaneria's bowling figures are 35 over 143 runs 5 wickets

[deviously~fading~away]

Yep, the man's definitely from Australia, I've checked his IP address.

How can an average be misleading, unless someone has only played in a few matches or only played mainly against minnows ? What you see, is what you get when it comes to averages as far as I am concerned.
Thanks for putting an end to the debate. It was getting quite annoying when the same question was been raised almost every other thread he posted in.

[moz]

what you isnt what you get, for instance afridi's test batting average of 37 comes from battering bowlers in the sub continent but failing just about everywhere else.

asim kamal has a similar average but he seems suited to play well in all conditions...

so no it isnt...

[DM]

Does logic have a heart attack when it comes to discussing Afridi? The reason why kaneria has 200 wickets is b/c he plays every single test match that Pakistan play and to top it off bowls almost 40-50 over per inning. Give Afridi a run like that and he would pick up 200 odd wickets.
PS- most of the times Kaneria's bowling figures are 35 over 143 runs 5 wickets
:D

[moz]

maybe i shouldve been more assertive in my thread...

I think Afridi shouldve been pakistans spin bowler and shouldve batted in the lower order, especially against india..

Butt
Akmal
Younis
Yousuf
Malik
Kamal
Misbah
Afridi
Sami (Asif if selectors hadnt injured him)
Akhtar
Gul

thats the team that shouldbe going out on thursday

[DM]

maybe i shouldve been more assertive in my thread...

I think Afridi shouldve been pakistans spin bowler and shouldve batted in the lower order, especially against india..

Butt
Akmal
Younis
Yousuf
Malik
Kamal
Misbah
Afridi
Sami (Asif if selectors hadnt injured him)
Akhtar
Gul

thats the team that shouldbe going out on thursday
Completely agreed.

[sam]

The selectors/captain/coach are too defensive. They'd rather prefer having Faisal Iqbal with a crippled average of 24 and give Kaneria another chance to be battered for 200 before he gets 3 wickets courtesy appealing 300 times.

[DM]

The selectors/captain/coach are too defensive. They'd rather prefer having Faisal Iqbal with a crippled average of 24 and give Kaneria another chance to be battered for 200 before he gets 3 wickets courtesy appealing 300 times.
Yes. There's no killer instinct, there's no testosterone and adrenaline.

[sam]

Yes. There's no killer instinct, there's no testosterone and adrenaline.

There still is- but only till tomorrow. All that board the flight to Pak along with the Beast.

[zaf1986]

Does logic have a heart attack when it comes to discussing Afridi? The reason why kaneria has 200 wickets is b/c he plays every single test match that Pakistan play and to top it off bowls almost 40-50 over per inning. Give Afridi a run like that and he would pick up 200 odd wickets.
PS- most of the times Kaneria's bowling figures are 35 over 143 runs 5 wickets

Kaneria, for all his faults, still has a better average than Afridi.

[DM]

by 2.1 runs.

And he has a worse strike rate than Afridi (by 1.3 runs).

[jackal786]

Kaneria averages 33 with the ball. Afridi 35. What a massive difference. Are you still perplexed?


Going by your theory Sami should not even call himself a bowler averaging 47!

[Gonzo]

37.40 is what it current stands at and is even better against just sub continent teams albeit quite low against australia.

Afridi is a good enough batsmen on the sucontinent because the ball hardly swings and the tracks are dead, but against competent attacks in England, South Africa, New Zealand etc. he doesn't cut the mustard. Like Hayden really.

[jackal786]

His bowling was exposed cruelly by Indian batsmen in the one dayers. Last time they just gave freebie wickets to him just like they gave it to Shaun Udal out of pressure. I don't expect that. If anything they will definitely target Afridi.

[aussiecricketer]

His bowling was exposed cruelly by Indian batsmen in the one dayers. Last time they just gave freebie wickets to him just like they gave it to Shaun Udal out of pressure. I don't expect that. If anything they will definitely target Afridi.

Who cares. Hes still a better batsmen than Iqbal.

[aussiecricketer]

Afridi is a good enough batsmen on the sucontinent because the ball hardly swings and the tracks are dead, but against competent attacks in England, South Africa, New Zealand etc. he doesn't cut the mustard. Like Hayden really.

Watch the 2005 ODI series in OZ. Everyone struggled. Yet Afridi scored 250 runs and took 13 wickets.

[aussiecricketer]

Going by your theory Sami should not even call himself a bowler averaging 47!

Yep. He should give it up. If your averaging 47, you shouldn't be playing international cricket. Unless the selectors want to lose. And thats what i think the PCB want to achieve.

[Gonzo]

Watch the 2005 ODI series in OZ. Everyone struggled. Yet Afridi scored 250 runs and took 13 wickets.

My point was that his technique isn't good enough in swinging conditions. In Australia, the Kookaburra ball doesn't swing much at all, and the conditions are too dry to really get the ball swinging.

[jackal786]

Yep, the man's definitely from Australia, I've checked his IP address.

How can an average be misleading, unless someone has only played in a few matches or only played mainly against minnows ? What you see, is what you get when it comes to averages as far as I am concerned.


Point is not whether he is from Australia or not.. point is whether he is an australian supporter or pakistan supporter. A genuine Australian supporter would have posted atleast single post in the Australia/SL test match. 72 posts have gone by without a single post from him. Add to the fact his devotion to Afridi will make a pakistan fan blush !! Isn't it obvious?

[aussiecricketer]

I am watching it on channel 9 right now. Mahela played well. I don't have to post about AUstralia. Because we are so good and so much better than the rest that i don't have to reiterate the point.

[Redflair07]

Well Kaneria isn't the answer. And Afridi is a good test batsmen. Kaneria is a bad bowler. SImple as that.

If you think Pakistan has half a chance. Your being dillusional.

Saying Kaneria is a bad bowler is just silly and preposterous. You know nothing about cricket.

[Ammar]

Thats Not Fair With Afridi To Drop The Test Team.....

[drkilljoy]

Afridi has the advantage of only being selected when the pitches suit him. He doesn't get selected when playing tests in Australia, South Africa and New Zealand. He was selected for the England tour because he performed well against England on flat Pakistan wickets and he was exposed once again. Other batsmen don't have that privilage.