Christmas - Celebrate it or not? (merged)

[azhar329]

Waq, why dont you read the link, why are you so against this ? This is your deen and it affects your family, why are you so resistant ?

[Waq]

Waq, why dont you read the link, why are you so against this ? This is your deen and it affects your family, why are you so resistant ?

I am not against you. I do not even know you and I am simply entering a debate.

I am fully aware of my deen obligations towards myself and family.

I have said that your Hadeeth quote can be interpreted in many different ways. I gave an example of Jews wearing Jeans. What about Hindus eating in vegetarian restaurants in London. Would I become a Hindu if I ate in one of those restaurants as going by your subjective view, I would become a Hindu.

[DeadlyVenom]

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) once saw the Ansaar celebrating a certain day. He inquired about that and was informed: This is one of two days that we used to celebrate in Jaahiliyyah (pre-Islaamic ignorance) and we continue to do so. He replied: Nay! Allaah has substituted for you two better days: the day of al-Fitr and the day of al-Adhhaa. (related by Ahmad, an-Nasaaee, and others)

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

It's pretty dumb if you participate in certain aspects of Christmas just so your kids don't get left out Waq

[Waq]

It's pretty dumb if you participate in certain aspects of Christmas just so your kids don't get left out Waq

Not my sole reason. Read my posts properly but nice try.

[azhar329]

I am not against you. I do not even know you and I am simply entering a debate.

I am fully aware of my deen obligations towards myself and family.

I have said that your Hadeeth quote can be interpreted in many different ways. I gave an example of Jews wearing Jeans. What about Hindus eating in vegetarian restaurants in London. Would I become a Hindu if I ate in one of those restaurants as going by your subjective view, I would become a Hindu.

I did not say that you were against me but against reading the link which would provide you with a more complete picture inshaAllah.

Re: eating in a vegetarian restaurant. You are really scraping the barrell here, eating halal food such as fruits, veg, meat etc which are eaten by non muslims does not make you one of them!!!

We are discussing about participating in non-muslim celebrations and you have not answered the section relating to the fact that the Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wassallam) never celebrated a non muslim festival like xmas so we shouldnt either. Please answer this point and read the link.

[KingKhanWC]

Pagan ritual or not, surely there is nothing wrong with having a meal. Hindu's like firework on Diwali and so do I. I embrace other cultures and I feel no less Muslim for it.

Again nothing wrong with have a meal or two but by eating such food, have such decorations on a specific day you following the rituals of Paganism. How can you possibly dispute this?

I see what you are saying about Salat but in a roundabout way, you are effectively trying to judge who is a good Muslim or not or surely this question has no relevance?

No I just wondered if the same importance is given to Salat on the same day, obviously not.

With most things all Muslims have to do is wonder if the Prophet(pbuh) would have done the same. I highly doubt he would be indulging in Pagan rituals.

You and anyone else Muslim or not is welcome to do so but you cannot claim this is o.k in Islam, esp without any evidence.

[Waq]

I did not say that you were against me but against reading the link which would provide you with a more complete picture inshaAllah.

Re: eating in a vegetarian restaurant. You are really scraping the barrell here, eating halal food such as fruits, veg, meat etc which are eaten by non muslims does not make you one of them!!!

We are discussing about participating in non-muslim celebrations and you have not answered the section relating to the fact that the Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wassallam) never celebrated a non muslim festival like xmas so we shouldnt either. Please answer this point and read the link.

Hindus eat in a non vegetarian restaurant because of their beliefs. Surely by your logic and view of Hadeeth, I would also become a Hindu?

Our prophet never had a mobile phone - should we not have one then! Hope you see my point.

In terms of your link, why should I care about what that Scholar says? Clearly he supports your view and I am unable to debate with him on here.

[DeadlyVenom]

Waq those are very poor examples. Those things haven't been forbidden for us but participating in festivals of pagans have been.

[Waq]

Again nothing wrong with have a meal or two but by eating such food, have such decorations on a specific day you following the rituals of Paganism. How can you possibly dispute this?



No I just wondered if the same importance is given to Salat on the same day, obviously not.

With most things all Muslims have to do is wonder if the Prophet(pbuh) would have done the same. I highly doubt he would be indulging in Pagan rituals.

You and anyone else Muslim or not is welcome to do so but you cannot claim this is o.k in Islam, esp without any evidence.

I have underlined your point, which is were we are all having an impasse. Some of you believe that your evidence is 100% correct so how can we debate? I believe there is no evidence saying we cannot. If we use your logic then we cannot use mobile phones since our prophet did not ok this. Very random but same logic.

[Waq]

Waq those are very poor examples. Those things haven't been forbidden for us but participating in festivals of pagans have been.

Right, so can somebody finally define a Pagan festival and define celebrating Christmas as nobody seems to be going there?

I do not go to Church and do not worship at a Gurdawara but going by your view, I will be doing wrong for having a plastic tree and halal bird on my table?

Which example of mine is poor, the 'Jews and Jeans' or the 'Hindus eating in vegetarian restaurants'? The examples maybe random but follow the logic of the quoted Hadeeth.

[KingKhanWC]

I have underlined your point, which is were we are all having an impasse. Some of you believe that your evidence is 100% correct so how can we debate? I believe there is no evidence saying we cannot. If we use your logic then we cannot use mobile phones since our prophet did not ok this. Very random but same logic.

lol. Mobile phones didn't exist at the time of the Prophet(pbuh), Christmas did. Did the Prophet(pbuh) have a Xmas tree in his house?

The festivities of Xmas are Pagan. If you bring those into your home you are clearly indulging in Pagan rituals. How can you dispute this?

[Waq]

lol. Mobile phones didn't exist at the time of the Prophet(pbuh), Christmas did. Did the Prophet(pbuh) have a Xmas tree in his house?

The festivities of Xmas are Pagan. If you bring those into your home you are clearly indulging in Pagan rituals. How can you dispute this?

I am embracing the commercial aspect of Christmas, Coca Cola etc and I am embracing the family meal aspect. I am not embracing the birth of Jesus! How is this a Pagan ritual?

All the Santa Claus business also did not exist during the times of our Prophet!

[azhar329]

Hindus eat in a non vegetarian restaurant because of their beliefs. Surely by your logic and view of Hadeeth, I would also become a Hindu?

Our prophet never had a mobile phone - should we not have one then! Hope you see my point.

In terms of your link, why should I care about what that Scholar says? Clearly he supports your view and I am unable to debate with him on here.

SubhanAllah!!! Are you actually reading my posts ? You can eat their food so long as it is halal.

Re: mobile phone- you are allowed to own items which do not go against the sharia eg cars etc I hope in your next post you dont say whether I think its allowed to wear trainers as trainers were not around during the Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wassalam) lifetime!!!!

Re: scholars: hadeeth (Tirmidhi) the Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wassallam) said that the "scholars are the inheritors of the Prophets". So we should respect them and if you are so sure of your position why dont you read the link ? Alternatively, find me one AUTHENTIC reference, hadeeth, ayah of the Quran which states that we can celebrate xmas. I'll save you time, dont bother as you wont be able to find it.

Allah knows best.

[KingKhanWC]

I am embracing the commercial aspect of Christmas, Coca Cola etc and I am embracing the family meal aspect. I am not embracing the birth of Jesus! How is this a Pagan ritual?

All the Santa Claus business also did not exist during the times of our Prophet!

It's simple. You have a tree in your house, give presents and eat a specific type of food. This is a ritual. The roots of this ritual are Pagan. These are facts.

[DeadlyVenom]

I am embracing the commercial aspect of Christmas, Coca Cola etc and I am embracing the family meal aspect. I am not embracing the birth of Jesus! How is this a Pagan ritual?

All the Santa Claus business also did not exist during the times of our Prophet!
The meals not the problem, we eat every day its all good.

But you specifically choose this day to eat specific food items that non muslims have while giving presents spefically as non muslims do on that day.

[azhar329]

Right, so can somebody finally define a Pagan festival and define celebrating Christmas as nobody seems to be going there?

I do not go to Church and do not worship at a Gurdawara but going by your view, I will be doing wrong for having a plastic tree and halal bird on my table?

Which example of mine is poor, the 'Jews and Jeans' or the 'Hindus eating in vegetarian restaurants'? The examples maybe random but follow the logic of the quoted Hadeeth.

Answer this: did the Prophet (sal Allah alayhi wassallam) celebrate xmas or any non-Islamic festival ?

And dont use the mobile phone analogy. We are talking about practices within Islam and celebrating a non muslim festival is NOT allowed. Mobile phones is a means of communication, vegetarian food is halal.....do you get my drift ?

[Waq]

Guys clearly you are not prepared to consider your own logic when it used to counter your argument.

Vegetarian food may be halal but eating there is generally the way of Hindus! Mobile phones are not specifically prohibited and neither was Santa as the fat red man never existed back then!

If you then counter that we should all do what the Prophet did then we should all ride on camels and we should all use walking sticks and wear black headwear!

I am Muslim, I am proud of my faith and heritage and I am proud to embrace Christmas and other cultures. Should anybody have any further issue and wish to get personal then they should practice what they preach and consider whether Prophet Mohammed would talk in such a way.

A prime example is that Goat. He got all gangsta in a religious thread and spouted all sorts of nonsense and then said I was not being Islamic for celebrating Christmas. What a great ambassador some of you are for our faith!

[azhar329]

Christmas is celebrated on the 25th December by orthodox christians who believe that Jesus was born on that day and that he is the son of God. (audhubillah!!)

You participate in their festival which is a part of their religion. You should be aware of the hadeeth relating to imitating "a people is one of them". The Prophet (sa Allahu alayhi wassallam) did not participate in xmas as it was unislamic and neither should we.

[Waq]

Answer this: did the Prophet (sal Allah alayhi wassallam) celebrate xmas or any non-Islamic festival ?

And dont use the mobile phone analogy. We are talking about practices within Islam and celebrating a non muslim festival is NOT allowed. Mobile phones is a means of communication, vegetarian food is halal.....do you get my drift ?

Well you can't use your Hadeeth quote only when it suits you Sir. Your interpretation makes my random and bizarre point about Hindus and veggie restaurants and jeans and Jews valid!

There are many things that we all do that our Prophet Mohammed may not have done. This does not mean that it is forbidden and hence the purpose of this thread.

You claim to provide evidence that I have refuted and when I apply your logic you reject it yourself!

[KingKhanWC]

I understand how for Muslims families living in western nations it's hard to ignore especially with kids who don't understand. Nobody wants to make their kids unhappy. My parents used to buy us stuff when we broke up for school. Their reason was, you are being rewarded for doing well at school. Once we got our gifts we didn't give a damn about a tree or Turkey. If we did ask about Christmas they told us the truth, there is no santa and explained the importance of Jesus(pbuh) in Islam.

I find it funny there are parents who work hard all year but tell their kids some fat bloke in red suit has shot down their chimney and gave them free presents. Those kids probably love Santa more than their own parents. lol

[DeadlyVenom]

Guys clearly you are not prepared to consider your own logic when it used to counter your argument.

Vegetarian food may be halal but eating there is generally the way of Hindus! Mobile phones are not specifically prohibited and neither was Santa as the fat red man never existed back then!

If you then counter that we should all do what the Prophet did then we should all ride on camels and we should all use walking sticks and wear black headwear!

I am Muslim, I am proud of my faith and heritage and I am proud to embrace Christmas and other cultures. Should anybody have any further issue and wish to get personal then they should practice what they preach and consider whether Prophet Mohammed would talk in such a way.

A prime example is that Goat. He got all gangsta in a religious thread and spouted all sorts of nonsense and then said I was not being Islamic for celebrating Christmas. What a great ambassador some of you are for our faith!

Nah bro you don't get it. Communicating with people is not forbidden. Celebrating the festivals of the kuffar is forbidden! We have went around in circles for a long time now so lets just move on.

If you are fully comfortable with celebrating christmas then so be it, its no business of mine.

[MundaKhunda]

Christmas is celebrated on the 25th December by orthodox christians who believe that Jesus was born on that day and that he is the son of God. (audhubillah!!)

You participate in their festival which is a part of their religion. You should be aware of the hadeeth relating to imitating "a people is one of them". The Prophet (sa Allahu alayhi wassallam) did not participate in xmas as it was unislamic and neither should we.



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[DeadlyVenom]

I understand how for Muslims families living in western nations it's hard to ignore especially with kids who don't understand. Nobody wants to make their kids unhappy. My parents used to buy us stuff when we broke up for school. Their reason was, you are being rewarded for doing well at school. Once we got our gifts we didn't give a damn about a tree or Turkey. If we did ask about Christmas they told us the truth, there is no santa and explained the importance of Jesus(pbuh) in Islam.

I find it funny there are parents who work hard all year but tell their kids some fat bloke in red suit has shot down their chimney and gave them free presents. Those kids probably love Santa more than their own parents. lol

Not a father yet (pending DNA results) but InshAllah if I have kids I won't be taking part in any of this Christmas nonsense. My parents ignored it and us kids turned out just fine and didn't have any feelings of being left out.

[cricfan4ever]

Azhar329 and CricFan4Ever,

I have given my argument on why I believe the quoted Hadeeth is not conclusive. You are free to reply to my points but instead I feel that you are saying that I should believe it and take it as a given.

The quoted Hadeeth can be interpreted in many ways including my lame Jews wearing Jeans example. It also may be strengthened if I actually worshipped in a Church and not a Mosque.

true that is a lame example because it is irrelevant to the Hadith as this act of wearing jeans has nothing to with beliefs neither character...

I presented authentic views from Eminent Scholars of Islam in previous page of this thread, I'll post it again so that there is no doubt left...

1) Ibn Al-Qayyim (rha) said in Ahkaam Ahl Al-Dhimmah: "Congratulating the non-Muslims on the rituals that belong only to them is Haram by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and feasts by saying: 'A happy festival to you' or 'May you enjoy your festival,' and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from disbelief, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or Bid'ah (innovation) or disbelief exposes himself to the Wrath and Anger of Allaah."

2) Ibn taymiyyah (rha) said in his book "Iqtidaa’ as-Siraat al-Mustaqeem Mukhaalafatu" that, "“Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to mislead the weak.”

I'll also post some sayings from Sahaba (ra)

It was also reported that 'Abdullaah Ibn 'Amr (ra) said: "Whoever lives in the land of the non-Arabs (non-Muslims) and celebrates their New Year and their festivals, and imitates them until he dies in that state, will be gathered with them on the Day of Resurrection."

"'Umar (ra) said: "Do not enter upon the polytheists in their churches on their feast-days, for the Wrath (of Allaah) is descending upon them." He also said: "Avoid the enemies of Allaah on their festivals."

I do not know how much more proof one needs really !!!

[azhar329]

true that is a lame example because it is irrelevant to the Hadith as this act of wearing jeans has nothing to with beliefs neither character...

I presented authentic views from Eminent Scholars of Islam in previous page of this thread, I'll post it again so that there is no doubt left...

1) Ibn Al-Qayyim (rha) said in Ahkaam Ahl Al-Dhimmah: "Congratulating the non-Muslims on the rituals that belong only to them is Haram by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and feasts by saying: 'A happy festival to you' or 'May you enjoy your festival,' and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from disbelief, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or Bid'ah (innovation) or disbelief exposes himself to the Wrath and Anger of Allaah."

2) Ibn taymiyyah (rha) said in his book "Iqtidaa’ as-Siraat al-Mustaqeem Mukhaalafatu" that, "“Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to mislead the weak.”

I'll also post some sayings from Sahaba (ra)

It was also reported that 'Abdullaah Ibn 'Amr (ra) said: "Whoever lives in the land of the non-Arabs (non-Muslims) and celebrates their New Year and their festivals, and imitates them until he dies in that state, will be gathered with them on the Day of Resurrection."

"'Umar (ra) said: "Do not enter upon the polytheists in their churches on their feast-days, for the Wrath (of Allaah) is descending upon them." He also said: "Avoid the enemies of Allaah on their festivals."

I do not know how much more proof one needs really !!!

JazakAllah khair cricfan, it seems that despite hadeeth, scholars and the sahaba (may Allah be please with them) all stating that its haram to particpate in such activities, waq will respond by saying things like "does that mean we cant travel on a plane as the Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wassallam) didnt?" and other irrelevant and nonsensical examples.

May Allah guide him and us, ameen.

[pakistanbest]

I agree and Christmas is nothing but marketing too but used as an excuse for a get together.

In the real world, I don't remember the wife everyday so I am grateful to days such as valentines or spoiling my mother on mothers day. In fact, I get immense pleasure when I am appreciated on father's day.

You don't need a specific day but we are all humans who forget in the real world so these days bring a bit of remembrance. Real world is not Bollywood where everyday is a valentines day. The recession would be much worse if that was the case!

I understand what you mean, it's hard to find the time to always show your appreciation to your loved ones especially these days but you don't need to spend money to show your appreciation as is the case with those 'days'.

In regards to Xmas, think some people are just too strict and make their own rules, we live in a christian country and should respect their values, as a kid used to enjoy Xmas partys at school and giving my teachers Xmas cards, it's all good fun and with everything associated to religion, it's all about intentions :)

[Bashira_taeli]

true that is a lame example because it is irrelevant to the Hadith as this act of wearing jeans has nothing to with beliefs neither character...

I presented authentic views from Eminent Scholars of Islam in previous page of this thread, I'll post it again so that there is no doubt left...

1) Ibn Al-Qayyim (rha) said in Ahkaam Ahl Al-Dhimmah: "Congratulating the non-Muslims on the rituals that belong only to them is Haram by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and feasts by saying: 'A happy festival to you' or 'May you enjoy your festival,' and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from disbelief, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or Bid'ah (innovation) or disbelief exposes himself to the Wrath and Anger of Allaah."

2) Ibn taymiyyah (rha) said in his book "Iqtidaa’ as-Siraat al-Mustaqeem Mukhaalafatu" that, "“Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to mislead the weak.”

I'll also post some sayings from Sahaba (ra)

It was also reported that 'Abdullaah Ibn 'Amr (ra) said: "Whoever lives in the land of the non-Arabs (non-Muslims) and celebrates their New Year and their festivals, and imitates them until he dies in that state, will be gathered with them on the Day of Resurrection."

"'Umar (ra) said: "Do not enter upon the polytheists in their churches on their feast-days, for the Wrath (of Allaah) is descending upon them." He also said: "Avoid the enemies of Allaah on their festivals."

I do not know how much more proof one needs really !!!

now i am scared :danish

[pakistanbest]

What is Christmas?

To the Christian it is the date when Jesus was born. It includes going to mass and going to Church and then having a celebration with the family. By celebration I mean a meal and exchanging gifts.

To the atheist/agnostic living in the west it is day to give presents and spend time with family. They are not celebrating the birth of Jesus they are merely practising customs that have been entrenched in their lives since they were born and also practises on living in a Christian country.

So if Muslims living in the west want to have a meal with the family on the 25th December when all the family will more than likely have the day off I don't see that as much of a problem.

Top post, guess after your post, this thread should be closed :D

[Waq]

Good morning all. Lots of views posted of scholars but they are merely views.

The quoted Hadeeth says nothing about a Christmas meal and again can be interpreted in many ways.

Still waiting for proof and a decent answer on the 'Jews wearing jeans' as the Hadeeth is not specific on Pagan rituals!

[Waq]

Do many of you class yourselves as a higher class of Muslim to me? Just asking.

[DeadlyVenom]

Do many of you class yourselves as a higher class of Muslim to me? Just asking.

Nope, could never think like that about anyone.

[azhar329]

Do many of you class yourselves as a higher class of Muslim to me? Just asking.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! I am not looking down at anyone (inshaAllah), I may commit a sin which you dont and vice versa. This is not a personal judgement on anyone, its an advice to all those bros who think celebrating a non-muslim festival is permissable.

Any advice posted is directed at me firstly inshaAllah and then to whoever reads it. Only Allah knows best who is sincere and who isnt. May Allah guide us all, ameen.

[azhar329]

Good morning all. Lots of views posted of scholars but they are merely views.

The quoted Hadeeth says nothing about a Christmas meal and again can be interpreted in many ways.

Still waiting for proof and a decent answer on the 'Jews wearing jeans' as the Hadeeth is not specific on Pagan rituals!

Orthodox christians participate celebrating xmas on 25th december which is a non muslim festival. You also want to celebrate that particular day by having a meal, presents etc. Therefore, you are celebrating xmas which is not an Islamic celebration.

Please answer the following:

Did the Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wassallam) ever celebrate any non muslim festival ?

[James]

Do many of you class yourselves as a higher class of Muslim to me? Just asking.

Without a doubt some people here do, they won't admit it though

[kasim7864]

Let's throw this into the mix.

People working and going to school in the west will be accustomed to having a Christmas meal with colleagues and classmates.

These normally take place before 25 December.

Hardly anyone is celebrating the birth of Jesus so would you object to this?

A celebration is commemorating an event by having a party or doing things that you wouldn't normally do. Having a family meal is not something out of the ordinary doing it on the 25 December when you have a day off is logical so as long as you do not commemorate the birth of Jesus by going mass etc then you are not celebrating anything are you?

[IgnitedMind]

Okay People, Holidays are over. People enjoyed their 3 days with their family & friends....You guys dont need to go through the hard unbearable offensive task of wishing people of other faith.

[Liberty]

tbqg I think having a Christmas tree in your house is just going a tad too far.

[Waq]

tbqg I think having a Christmas tree in your house is just going a tad too far.

Why do you think it is too far?

[Liberty]

Why do you think it is too far?

Its your house.

You may not control external environments due to social etiquettes but you can control your own home.

Even if you remove all the Christian labels with Christmas, the tree itself symbolizes historically and culturally the very nature of Christianity and its pagan roots.

Why would you have that item in your home? It contradicts core Islamic principles and can confuse your children. Even having it in your home you are accepting the notion of Christmas as an acceptable family custom which can over time corrupt your children and take precedence as the major religious/cultural holiday in your family.

But hey, thats just what I think.

[azhar329]

InshaAllah this will be my last post on this matter, the evidence has been presented by several people, may Allah reward them. Its up to each individual to either accept or not.

May Allah guide us all, ameen.

[Waq]

Its your house.

You may not control external environments due to social etiquettes but you can control your own home.

Even if you remove all the Christian labels with Christmas, the tree itself symbolizes historically and culturally the very nature of Christianity and its pagan roots.

Why would you have that item in your home? It contradicts core Islamic principles and can confuse your children. Even having it in your home you are accepting the notion of Christmas as an acceptable family custom which can over time corrupt your children and take precedence as the major religious/cultural holiday in your family.

But hey, thats just what I think.

I see your concern and if it is not managed correctly, there is certainly a danger of confusing a child.

In my household, Islam is practised overtly and my Children, even at a young age are able to differentiate between their faith and others. Prayers are regular in our household, particularly in the presence of children and we enjoy playing the Quran in the background on a daily basis.

The eldest child certainly understands that Christmas is not part of his faith but we are participating in the fun aspect.

Something I am comfortable with but I do genuinely see how others would not be.

Eid is a huge deal in our household as well as other major Islamic dates.

I took my children to an outstanding Hindu festival this year with lots of food and colour and overt displays of Hinduism. I see that no different to celebrating Christmas in my home environment as I have control of both and I chose to attend the hindu festival.

Your main argument is corrupting children over time by having a tree in your home. This is a possibility if you do net teach your children and one that many of our parents had when they moved to a non Muslim country from Pakistan. They believed we would forget our roots, yet this has not happened.

[cricfan4ever]

I understand what you mean, it's hard to find the time to always show your appreciation to your loved ones especially these days but you don't need to spend money to show your appreciation as is the case with those 'days'.

In regards to Xmas, think some people are just too strict and make their own rules, we live in a christian country and should respect their values, as a kid used to enjoy Xmas partys at school and giving my teachers Xmas cards, it's all good fun and with everything associated to religion, it's all about intentions

yet another conformist post :facepalm:

who made their own rules??? these rules are from the Qur'an and Sunnah of Rasul (saw) of which even Scholars have agreed upon as being authentic...you are the one making up your own rules according to your own whims and desires and that is dangerous...

[cricfan4ever]

Good morning all. Lots of views posted of scholars but they are merely views.

The quoted Hadeeth says nothing about a Christmas meal and again can be interpreted in many ways.

Still waiting for proof and a decent answer on the 'Jews wearing jeans' as the Hadeeth is not specific on Pagan rituals!

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

did you not read my post ???

I said Jews wearing Jeans and Muslims doing the same has nothing to do with our Aqeedah neither our Ikhlaaq...how many times do I have to repeat that before you get it? because it seems to me you are not interested and simply following your own whims and desires...

and Views of Scholars are more sacred than the blood of a Martyr and Scholars are inheritors of Prophets, so are you trying to tell us that they are wrong especially when there is a consensus of Scholars on this issue ??? they substantiated the rules already brought to us by the Qur'an and Sunnah in regards to imitating 'pagan rituals' on a certain Non-Muslim celebration like that of Christmas...decorating a tree, eating a turkey etc. all come from pagan rituals, why is that so hard to understand for you ??? seriously get a grip !!!

[Itachi]

yet another conformist post :facepalm:

who made their own rules??? these rules are from the Qur'an and Sunnah of Rasul (saw) of which even Scholars have agreed upon as being authentic...you are the one making up your own rules according to your own whims and desires and that is dangerous...

i have a question.

On many debates here, i hear islam respects other religion, sentiments etc....

But now you are saying you shouldn't wish back someone merry christmas.

In a way, you disrespected the sentiments of non muslim which i don't believe islam permits.

Why this two contradictory notion exists?

So either islam totally discards the values associated with non muslims or it respects.

Which one is it according to your view?

[cricfan4ever]

Do many of you class yourselves as a higher class of Muslim to me? Just asking.

no I do not class myself as a higher class of Muslim...instead I am concerned about you since you are my brother in Islam, so I have provided evidence against the actions in question so that you can avoid it in the future as these actions go directly against Islamic Aqeedah of Tawheed and may Allah (swt) forgive us all. Ameen

[cricfan4ever]

i have a question.

On many debates here, i hear islam respects other religion, sentiments etc....

But now you are saying you shouldn't wish back someone merry christmas.

In a way, you disrespected the sentiments of non muslim which i don't believe islam permits.

Why this two contradictory notion exists?

So either islam totally discards the values associated with non muslims or it respects.

Which one is it according to your view?

flawed logic and one that you'll never understand until you really understand Islam...

anyway, Christmas goes against our fundamental belief of Monotheism hence we are forbidden to participate in it, and also forbidden to wish the Christians and whoever else celebrates it...and if we are approached by someone who wishes us Merry Christmas etc. than we should politely say that we do not celebrate it and explain our belief if they are interested, if not that is ok, how is that disrespecting anyone??? We are not stopping them from celebrating, we just don't want to have any part of a Celebration/Holiday/Festival which is against our most Fundamental Belief!!!

yes we respect them, but that doesn't mean we join in with a celebration which is against our beliefs!!!

[Itachi]

flawed logic and one that you'll never understand until you really understand Islam...
very clever. You carefully avoided answering my question.

And if i don't understand the logic, i have to start from somewhere.... Isn't it? No one understand these beliefs at birth. It comes gradually.

"no, you are not a muslim so you won't understand it." is an ignorant comment. If a non muslim asks some fundamental about islam, should this be the answer?

anyway, Christmas goes against our fundamental belief of Monotheism hence we are forbidden to participate in it, and also forbidden to wish the Christians and whoever else celebrates it...and if we are approached by someone who wishes us Merry Christmas etc. than we should politely say that we do not celebrate it and explain our belief if they are interested, if not that is ok...we are not stopping them from celebrating, we just don't want to have any part of a Celebration/Holiday/Festival which is against our most Fundamental Belief!!!

yes we respect them, but that doesn't mean we join in with a celebration which is against our beliefs!!!

i went through every post here including the quotes from hadeeths but still i have a question.

Where is the line from where celebration starts? Which quote said that wishing someone is celebration? Because as far i read the quotes, the definition of celebration didn't include wishing.

You may think wishing them as celebrating, but some other may not. Different people have different standards. This is where the defintion given by the religion comes into play.

But none of the quotes from you or other posters doesn't say wishing is celebrating. So can't it be misinterpretation from what is written?

[cricfan4ever]

very clever. You carefully avoided answering my question.

And if i don't understand the logic, i have to start from somewhere.... Isn't it? No one understand these beliefs at birth. It comes gradually.

"no, you are not a muslim so you won't understand it." is an ignorant comment. If a non muslim asks some fundamental about islam, should this be the answer?

i went through every post here including the quotes from hadeeths but still i have a question.

Where is the line from where celebration starts? Which quote said that wishing someone is celebration? Because as far i read the quotes, the definition of celebration didn't include wishing.

You may think wishing them as celebrating, but some other may not. Different people have different standards. This is where the defintion given by the religion comes into play.

But none of the quotes from you or other posters doesn't say wishing is celebrating. So can't it be misinterpretation from what is written?

Those of us against Christmas never said that Wishing = Celebrating, instead we are saying both celebrating AND wishing are prohibited because Wishing would be acknowledging their celebration and their celebration goes against our beliefs as these authentic views substantiated by esteemed Scholars of Islam state:

1) Ibn Al-Qayyim (rha) said in Ahkaam Ahl Al-Dhimmah: "Congratulating the non-Muslims on the rituals that belong only to them is Haram by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and feasts by saying: 'A happy festival to you' or 'May you enjoy your festival,' and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from disbelief, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or Bid'ah (innovation) or disbelief exposes himself to the Wrath and Anger of Allaah."

2) Ibn taymiyyah (rha) said in his book "Iqtidaa’ as-Siraat al-Mustaqeem Mukhaalafatu" that, "“Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to mislead the weak.”

Disrespecting would be to go around and demeaning them, or if someone approaches us and we tell them off in a rude manner...that is surely not the way of Muslims which is why I said that a Muslim should politely say that we do not celebrate Christmas and explain the Islamic view point if they are interested...

It is simple, by not acknowledging them back and instead explaining my beliefs I am respecting my own beliefs and neither am I disrespecting them because I have a legitimate reason to not oblige and am willing to substantiate it as well...no sane person would mind it 'offensive' or 'disrespectful' because I am entitled to my beliefs just as they are...

[Blade]

Some of the people here....*facepalm*

What the hell is wrong with saying merry christmas? Islam is all about intentions. IF you personally feel the meaning of merry christmas is God has a son, then simply don't say it, you don't have to force your dumb logic on other people. For the rest of us its simply a gesture of good will where we are simply wishing them a good day.

When I say merry christmas to someone, the meaning behind those words for me are not 'god has a son'. I have no intention of meaning Jesus is the son of God by using those words. Also in the Quran it teaches us to respect other religions

Now my second point which reinforces my first point is, Christmas isn't even considered a Relgious festival anymore. It's more of a cultural celebration now. Every person I know who celebrates christmas is an Athiest. So the people I wish merry christmas don't even believe in God, nevermind Jesus!! Christmas in modern day britain is more about presents and santa than it is about Jesus. It's essentially like wishing someone a happy birthday..which brings me to my third point..

I find it funny how some people (not people on this forum specifically) are hell bent on making sure people stop saying Merry xmas (a celebration of Jesus' birthday) as its shirk..ok fair enough...but then these same people don't have a problem celebrating milaad..mate thats shirk too!

[GOAT]

Who says 'Merry Christmas'? It's 'Happy Holidays', none of you are politically correct.

[Warfare]

Some of the people here....*facepalm*

What the hell is wrong with saying merry christmas? Islam is all about intentions. IF you personally feel the meaning of merry christmas is God has a son, then simply don't say it, you don't have to force your dumb logic on other people. For the rest of us its simply a gesture of good will where we are simply wishing them a good day.

When I say merry christmas to someone, the meaning behind those words for me are not 'god has a son'. I have no intention of meaning Jesus is the son of God by using those words. Also in the Quran it teaches us to respect other religions

Now my second point which reinforces my first point is, Christmas isn't even considered a Relgious festival anymore. It's more of a cultural celebration now. Every person I know who celebrates christmas is an Athiest. So the people I wish merry christmas don't even believe in God, nevermind Jesus!! Christmas in modern day britain is more about presents and santa than it is about Jesus. It's essentially like wishing someone a happy birthday..which brings me to my third point..

I find it funny how some people (not people on this forum specifically) are hell bent on making sure people stop saying Merry xmas (a celebration of Jesus' birthday) as its shirk..ok fair enough...but then these same people don't have a problem celebrating milaad..mate thats shirk too!

Yeh milaad kia hai?

[Waq]

I am signing off this thread for now as the debate is going nowhere.

Thank you all the brothers who are concerned about me as a Muslim and feel they should show me the light.

I had a tremendous Christmas with my family and guess what - I am still Muslim!

I hope those who are burning in hatred and cannot accept that they are acting as Muslim elitists have some kind of pleasure during the festive break. Leave your keyboards and live life (in a halal way off course)

[KingKhanWC]

Waq, a bit of advice, get your tree, presents and decorations in the sale now for next year. You will save some money. :)

[azhar329]

I am signing off this thread for now as the debate is going nowhere.

Thank you all the brothers who are concerned about me as a Muslim and feel they should show me the light.

I had a tremendous Christmas with my family and guess what - I am still Muslim!

I hope those who are burning in hatred and cannot accept that they are acting as Muslim elitists have some kind of pleasure during the festive break. Leave your keyboards and live life (in a halal way off course)

I said I wouldnt post re: this topic but it seems as I am one of the people this comment was directed at, hence the reply:

If anyone seems to be burning in hatred its you because it has been repeatedly stated that no one thinks they are better than you and that they were only offering advice as it concerned the deen.

If you cannot still grasp this fact then its you who should take a break. Once again, very clearly I state: it was advice, I do not consider myself better than you, either you accept or you dont: Hope this is clear to you. Please do not try to repeat this accusation as its getting quite tedious.

[cricfan4ever]

I am signing off this thread for now as the debate is going nowhere.

Thank you all the brothers who are concerned about me as a Muslim and feel they should show me the light.

I had a tremendous Christmas with my family and guess what - I am still Muslim!

I hope those who are burning in hatred and cannot accept that they are acting as Muslim elitists have some kind of pleasure during the festive break. Leave your keyboards and live life (in a halal way off course)

what a cop out and you are right the debate went no where because you refused to acknowledge the clear evidence for prohibition of celebrating Christmas and wishing Merry Christmas...

and no one was burning in hatred on here because you celebrated Christmas, instead some of us were sincerely concerned, Allah (swt) knows...

as for your cheap shot at those of us (keyboard warriors) who took the time and energy to put forth constructive arguments with strong proof, we did it so at your request since you wanted evidence, and when it was provided you blew it off which I found rather bizarre and downright ignorant...

may Allah (swt) guide you because after the evidence provided, none of us Muslims have any option of even thinking of 'wishing' let alone celebrating Christmas...

Allahu'Alam!

[cricfan4ever]

Some of the people here....*facepalm*

What the hell is wrong with saying merry christmas? Islam is all about intentions. IF you personally feel the meaning of merry christmas is God has a son, then simply don't say it, you don't have to force your dumb logic on other people. For the rest of us its simply a gesture of good will where we are simply wishing them a good day.

When I say merry christmas to someone, the meaning behind those words for me are not 'god has a son'. I have no intention of meaning Jesus is the son of God by using those words. Also in the Quran it teaches us to respect other religions

Now my second point which reinforces my first point is, Christmas isn't even considered a Relgious festival anymore. It's more of a cultural celebration now. Every person I know who celebrates christmas is an Athiest. So the people I wish merry christmas don't even believe in God, nevermind Jesus!! Christmas in modern day britain is more about presents and santa than it is about Jesus. It's essentially like wishing someone a happy birthday..which brings me to my third point..

I find it funny how some people (not people on this forum specifically) are hell bent on making sure people stop saying Merry xmas (a celebration of Jesus' birthday) as its shirk..ok fair enough...but then these same people don't have a problem celebrating milaad..mate thats shirk too!

there has been extensive evidence provided against prohibition of also 'Wishing' Merry Christmas, instead of trying to follow your own whims and desires, take the time to read earlier posts by other brothers including mine which provided clear proof against CELEBRATION and WISHING !!!

and I don't know about other brothers, but I do not celebrate Eid Milad un Nabi as I consider it as Bi'dah since Rasul (saw) did not celebrate his birthday, neither did the Sahaba (ra) during his lifetime and nor after it, and there is no evidence of it, so we should refrain from it...

[PB]

Big Whoop?

The show Khabarnaak had a little christmas tree decorated...

[azhar329]

there has been extensive evidence provided against prohibition of also 'Wishing' Merry Christmas, instead of trying to follow your own whims and desires, take the time to read earlier posts by other brothers including mine which provided clear proof against CELEBRATION and WISHING !!!

and I don't know about other brothers, but I do not celebrate Eid Milad un Nabi as I consider it as Bi'dah since Rasul (saw) did not celebrate his birthday, neither did the Sahaba (ra) during his lifetime and nor after it, and there is no evidence of it, so we should refrain from it...

MashaAllah sister, may Allah reward you, excellent reply.

[shaheen1shaheen2]

there has been extensive evidence provided against prohibition of also 'Wishing' Merry Christmas, instead of trying to follow your own whims and desires, take the time to read earlier posts by other brothers including mine which provided clear proof against CELEBRATION and WISHING !!!

and I don't know about other brothers, but I do not celebrate Eid Milad un Nabi as I consider it as Bi'dah since Rasul (saw) did not celebrate his birthday, neither did the Sahaba (ra) during his lifetime and nor after it, and there is no evidence of it, so we should refrain from it...

Brother in one of waq's first posts he said he had christmas crackers at the table as well so he took part in that ritual as well and if you read his posts throughout what he is basically saying is that Islam is equal to christianity,hinduism e.t.c while as muslims we know that islam is the truth,it is perfect,it is complete,it is better than every other deen and it can never be surpassed Allahu Akbar.
Allah says in the quran: The only deen acceptable to Allah is Islam.
So the problem is with his aqeeda until he gets a proper understanding of the concepts of islam (al wala wal bara,qadha wal qadar e.tc) people like him will never see Islam like we see it so the best thing to do in this situation is end the discussion with the salaams and move on.

[cricfan4ever]

MashaAllah sister, may Allah reward you, excellent reply.

Jazak'Allah Khair brother and I am a brother! :D

[cricfan4ever]

Brother in one of waq's first posts he said he had christmas crackers at the table as well so he took part in that ritual as well and if you read his posts throughout what he is basically saying is that Islam is equal to christianity,hinduism e.t.c while as muslims we know that islam is the truth,it is perfect,it is complete,it is better than every other deen and it can never be surpassed Allahu Akbar.
Allah says in the quran: The only deen acceptable to Allah is Islam.
So the problem is with his aqeeda until he gets a proper understanding of the concepts of islam (al wala wal bara,qadha wal qadar e.tc) people like him will never see Islam like we see it so the best thing to do in this situation is end the discussion with the salaams and move on.

completely agree with you my brother, Islam is the BEST !!! and oh ya I am certainly moving on from this thread, I posted enough evidence on here so my work is done here!

[azhar329]

Jazak'Allah Khair brother and I am a brother! :D

SubhanAllah bro, I earlier on called a sis a bro!!!!sorry about that!

[Cover Drive]

I am not against you. I do not even know you and I am simply entering a debate.

I am fully aware of my deen obligations towards myself and family.

I have said that your Hadeeth quote can be interpreted in many different ways. I gave an example of Jews wearing Jeans. What about Hindus eating in vegetarian restaurants in London. Would I become a Hindu if I ate in one of those restaurants as going by your subjective view, I would become a Hindu.

Waq Bhai, I have uttermost respect for you as you are my elder and it is my duty to give you the respect you deserve. I am not criticizing you nor your family nor your doings. What you did is upto you and your family and I am not the one to judge. I am not here to have a go at you nor I am forcing you to change your views. I myself am not a good Muslims so I'm not judging you or anything like that. I don't wish to hurt you or sound rude at all, I seek your apology if you feel I was that way.

I have not read your discussions with other PPers, however, as you were asking about eating Turkey on Christmas day.

As I said I'm not very Relgious nor I'm an Aalim to say things nor I know your intentions but you and your family eat Turkey I presume once a year and that too is on day of Christmas (25th), if you or your family don't celebrate Christmas (I'm not saying you or your family celebrates Christmas) but when you have a Turkey and give gifts to your family on 25th specifically what does it tell one? It sends me a message that you are doing this beacuse of Christmas, if you were just eating it as a regular meal with your family, why not do at another date other than 25th?

As I said earlier I'm not here to judge you nor I am! What you do is upto you and you will be accounted for it, not me! I'm not a good Muslim but I am just passing my views to you. I could be wrong too, its not that I'm most pious person in the world! I'm probably most un-pious Muslim!

So I hope you don't take my words in a wrong way...

It is past 4 AM at my place and I'm on my bed with my eyes closed so please bear with me if there were any mistakes.

BarakAllah Feek

Allah-hu-Alam

[Waq]

Waq Bhai, I have uttermost respect for you as you are my elder and it is my duty to give you the respect you deserve. I am not criticizing you nor your family nor your doings. What you did is upto you and your family and I am not the one to judge. I am not here to have a go at you nor I am forcing you to change your views. I myself am not a good Muslims so I'm not judging you or anything like that. I don't wish to hurt you or sound rude at all, I seek your apology if you feel I was that way.

I have not read your discussions with other PPers, however, as you were asking about eating Turkey on Christmas day.

As I said I'm not very Relgious nor I'm an Aalim to say things nor I know your intentions but you and your family eat Turkey I presume once a year and that too is on day of Christmas (25th), if you or your family don't celebrate Christmas (I'm not saying you or your family celebrates Christmas) but when you have a Turkey and give gifts to your family on 25th specifically what does it tell one? It sends me a message that you are doing this beacuse of Christmas, if you were just eating it as a regular meal with your family, why not do at another date other than 25th?

As I said earlier I'm not here to judge you nor I am! What you do is upto you and you will be accounted for it, not me! I'm not a good Muslim but I am just passing my views to you. I could be wrong too, its not that I'm most pious person in the world! I'm probably most un-pious Muslim!

So I hope you don't take my words in a wrong way...

It is past 4 AM at my place and I'm on my bed with my eyes closed so please bear with me if there were any mistakes.

BarakAllah Feek

Allah-hu-Alam

Hi CoverDrive, no worries Bhai.

I shall try to be more clear. It's not that I do not celebrate Christmas on the 25th - I actually do! When I mean celebrate, I mean follow the traditions of turkey and a family meal, not celebrate the birth of Christ or attend Church.

In the UK, Christmas is rarely seen as a religious event these days and is seen mainly as a commercial one. I take part in this event and enjoy it as it is part of my culture of my land. Just like the English enjoy toast in the morning, so do I. Christmas may be a religious event but not for me, it is fun.

I take into account peoples concerns that it may confuse my family but like I said earlier, that is up to me to manage. Islam is the religion practiced overtly in my household.

[Eagle_Eye]

In a private setting, the overt mimicking of a religious celebration does not make sense for an individual not from that faith. I would not expect my Hindu or Christians friends to be making pilao and giving Eidi on Eid day. Although, they do wish me a happy Eid, which is good enough for me.
We usually have a get together on Christmas day as everyone is off.

In a public setting, I would expect everyone to make an effort to wish or partake in some level.

[Cover Drive]

Hi CoverDrive, no worries Bhai.

I shall try to be more clear. It's not that I do not celebrate Christmas on the 25th - I actually do! When I mean celebrate, I mean follow the traditions of turkey and a family meal, not celebrate the birth of Christ or attend Church.

In the UK, Christmas is rarely seen as a religious event these days and is seen mainly as a commercial one. I take part in this event and enjoy it as it is part of my culture of my land. Just like the English enjoy toast in the morning, so do I. Christmas may be a religious event but not for me, it is fun.

I take into account peoples concerns that it may confuse my family but like I said earlier, that is up to me to manage. Islam is the religion practiced overtly in my household.

JazaakAllah Khair bhai, I appreciate you took time to reply to my post as you had said you won't make any more post in this thread, I appreciate it :).

Makes sense, JazaakAllah Khair for explaining it!

As I earlier said sorry if I hurt you or your feelings, I certainly didn't have any intentions to do that.

[Javelin]

In the UK, people hold bonfire parties, let off fireworks, often even paying to go and watch large firework displays - and yet how many people do this because they are remembering Guys Fawkes and his attempt to blow up the Houses of Parliament ?

It is simply an opportunity to get families together and have some fun.

Similarly the vast majority of people, especially in countries such as the UK, are simply taking the opportunity of everyone being on holiday, offices, schools and most factories being closed, to get families together and enjoy a seasonal activity called Christmas.

Even amongst Christians, the number of those who go to church on Xmas day, and thus see it as a religious festival, is a very small percentage.

All this talk of getting involved with 'pagan activities' is a little bit over the top, otherwise virtually every holiday and associated activity in a country like the UK can be seen as being 'pagan', since it has roots often stretching back centuries, originally stemming from religious festivals.

Even the Gregorian New Year, and the Gregorian calendar fall into that category, since Muslims have a separate calendar based on the phases of the moon.

So to those going on about 'pagan activity', I have a couple of very simple questions :
* Do you run your daily lives ( school/uni exams and holidays, monthly payslips, etc. - even your birth certificate if you were born in a western country) based upon the Islamic calendar or the Gregorian calendar ?
* Do you ever wear suits, especially neck ties ?

Enough said.

[DeadlyVenom]

:)) what poor examples.

[KingKhanWC]

Do you run you daily lives ( school/uni exmas and holidays, monthly payslips, etc. - even your birth certificate if you were born in a western country) based upon the Islamic calendar or the Gregorian calendar ?
* Do you ever wear suits, especially neck ties ?

Yes to both. What's your point?

[cricfan4ever]

:)) what poor examples.

agreed :)))

[Javelin]

:)) what poor examples.Why ? They come form non-Islamic, or 'pagan', roots .

[Silencer]

I think no one here will admit what they are doing is wrong, people who celebrate won't specifically say and label themselves as celebrating Christmas, they won't do that.

Rather they will continue to take shots saying where does Islam does not allow Christmas celebration.

What is sad is that those people too know what they are doing is not morally or Islamically correct but they won't dare to say that.

We have two Eids and a Friday every week then why do we need to celebrate Christmas?

This is effect of West on a Muslim.

[James]

Thoughts this year?

I'm looking forward to spending a nice day and exchanging gifts with my family on the 25th.

Hopefully I don't go to Hell for the above.

[Eagle_Eye]

Nice trolling attempt James :)))

Have fun on Christmas.

[dhump]

Thoughts this year?

I'm looking forward to spending a nice day and exchanging gifts with my family on the 25th.

Hopefully I don't go to Hell for the above.

Like every year will wish everyone who celebrates a wonderful Christmas will be home watching Pak v Ind series and may be having much needed rest during bridge days.

[James]

completely agree with you my brother, Islam is the BEST !!! and oh ya I am certainly moving on from this thread, I posted enough evidence on here so my work is done here!

Hahaha, thank the lord this guy got binned in the end. Twice. (Also as Lalafied)

[IMMY69]

This Xmas will be especially good!!!

Get to watch the cricket whilst tucking into my turkey with all the trimmings and a glass or two of Pinot!!

If this makes me a bad Muslim then I'll be seeing some of you in He'll 😇

[Square Drive]

Yes, there is a type of raunak near Christmas time- especially when it's snowing. But I think that at most, we should say "Merry Christmas" to those celebrating. We (Muslims) shouldn't celebrate Christmas, as we don't believe that Jesus was the son of Allah SWT (Astaghfirullah).

[LethalSami]

i celebrate christmas by buying myself electronics ......:moyo

[pakistanalltheway]

don't celebrate and any Muslims that i have seen celebrating it are usually gone very far from Islam . I only go as far as sending cards to mates if they sent me cards .

[FusedBulb]

don't celebrate and any Muslims that i have seen celebrating it are usually gone very far from Islam . I only go as far as sending cards to mates if they sent me cards .

Qadri did it.

3JigHvgTKsE

[pakistanalltheway]

Qadri did it.

3JigHvgTKsE

well i am amazed
don't know what he was thinking
someone should question him on this
and tbh he is only cutting a cake nothing more

[pakistanalltheway]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRB23S7gw5I

[classic]

I usually do love a good roast though on Boxing day instead.

[90MPH]

It's not even a religious holiday in the UK anymore.

Just a commercial event but at least people get a couple of days off at work. Really just a chance for a family to get together. The only other chance it happens is on Eid at least here in the UK.

[justarslan]

No to celebration of both Dec 25 and 12 Rabi' al-awwal. I am against a day off though.

[Khaleefa]

No to celebration of both Dec 25 and 12 Rabi' al-awwal. I am against a day off though.

You are against the day off or you are NOT against the day off?

Yar ab Itna bhi zulm Nahi karo. Firangiyon ki wajeh sey hamay bhi aik Dow din araam karnay Ka moqa mil jata hai. Ussay bhi khattam kar rahay ho??

[Khaleefa]

It's not even a religious holiday in the UK anymore.

Just a commercial event but at least people get a couple of days off at work. Really just a chance for a family to get together. The only other chance it happens is on Eid at least here in the UK.

Same here in the United States.
It's only a commercial event where people strive to get good shopping deals. Folks go out to camp outside the shopping malls 24 to 48 hours ahead of the sale time to stay ahead in the que when the door opens on sale day. It has become an adventure. They might buy things that are usually a dollar cheaper than the regular price and the idea is pick as many as you can so that folks behind you in the line could not get it anymore. It's just fun and adventure. No one cares about going to church, reading bible or remembering the message of Prophet Eesa (as).

[Robert]

It's not even a religious holiday in the UK anymore.


Don't tell all the Christians that! It's their greatest festival, after Easter.

[Ansari]

You have failed as a Muslim parent when you've start celebrating Christmas by even taking a tree in your home.

You will wake up with them in the end.

[Space Cat]

If you live in a country where it is a public holiday then you should celebrate it how you would like. Whether it be just spending time with family, buying others gifts or nothing at all. Its possible to enjoy the day with out any religious connection whatsoever.

[Jeetu111]

Had gone to a xmas eve party & boozed a bit :)

[James]

You have failed as a Muslim parent when you've start celebrating Christmas by even taking a tree in your home.

You will wake up with them in the end.

Bizarre post, lol.