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Saj

30th November 2007, 19:04

Oxy

30th November 2007, 19:43

Absolutely NOT.

Its hard enough trying to stop my kids sending cards to their class mates - but Ive relented on that.

We arent Christians - why would we want to emulate one of their festivals (which isnt even really a Christian celebration!)

First Bollywood - now Christmas....anything else we should know about you? :D

Xmas is a depressing time - traffic meltdown...busy shops...people buying on credit stuff they spend 12 months paying off.

kablooee87

30th November 2007, 19:47

A big no from me.

Christmas is a Christian holiday. If not that then it is a hallmark holiday. Both of which I have no interest in celebrating.

I don't' mind wishing merry Christmas to a friend who celebrates it. I don't mind going to the office Christmas party. But I certainly won't partake in the whole christmas tree and presents bit.

Saj if you ask me, yes, I do believe it's wrong for Muslims to "partially celebrate" Christmas.

kablooee87

30th November 2007, 19:53

First Bollywood - now Christmas....anything else we should know about you? :D

You forgot about the lottery. :P

Geordie Ahmed

30th November 2007, 20:19

I dont. Tho i do enjoy christmas cos they show cr@ppy movies and it reminds me of when i was a kid. Also we always used to go to town to see the Christmas display in the fenwicks windows, very exciting and insha'allah when i have kids of my own i wudnt hesitate in taking them to see the display and send cards, BUT thats as far as it would go

The Godfather

30th November 2007, 20:20

punjabi

30th November 2007, 20:24

well no really i think Muslims should not celebrate Xmas simply due to the fact it is for the Christians not for Muslims. You don't really see or hear christians celebrating Eid do you know because they know that it is a Muslim function

some non-muslims send my family cards at eid

does that mean they are celebrating eid?

no, it's called being civil

kablooee87

30th November 2007, 20:30

some non-muslims send my family cards at eid

does that mean they are celebrating eid?

no, it's called being civil
I agree.

Like I said, wishing others Merry Christmas is fine. Heck, lots of people wish me Happy Mubarak who aren't Muslims. They are being courteous and respectful. But they don't go ahead and celebrate Eid themselves (not that they should).

tmac4real

30th November 2007, 20:37

I think Christmas has transcended Christians and it just a mainstream holiday now.

I mean the "original" Christmas is nothing about giving presents or Santa Claus.

Same with the Christmas tree. Santa Claus, presents, the tree (not so sure about the tree), have nothing to do with the original Christmas holiday.

It's just the spirit.

Going to church on christmas day/eve whatever is different though.

Luton Bad Boy

30th November 2007, 20:38

Put simply:

Christians celebrate Christmas as a rememberance of after all one of our prophets, Prophet Isa (SAW) so in that aspect we could use it as a way of rememberance too.

However, celebration is a little over-board for me personally, I am all for being courteous and wishing workers 'Happy Christmas & New Year' and even buy them cards, just to stay civil and I receive cards even though they do know I dont celebrate Christmas but is sent out of sheer courtesy and happiness so that must be respected.

Christmas, New Year, Valentines, Anniversaries, Birthdays have all gone too commercial and become monotonous as you 'age'...ask Oxy. So I would pretty much agree with those that they keep it civil but, not celebrate it.

Oxy

30th November 2007, 20:39

some non-muslims send my family cards at eid

does that mean they are celebrating eid?

no, it's called being civil

No one was being 'uncivil'!

Sending cards for any festival - for any religion is just a superficial gesture - quite harmless really.

My neighbours send me Christmas cards - if I am not in Pak over Xmas (which I have for the last 4-5 since 2000), I send one back.

But having a Christmas tree - and giving kids Xmas presents? You must be having a laugh!

12thMan

30th November 2007, 20:40

well no really i think Muslims should not celebrate Xmas simply due to the fact it is for the Christians not for Muslims. You don't really see or hear christians celebrating Eid do you know because they know that it is a Muslim functionThey probably do in Pakistan and India. The celebration doesn't mean that you go to church or mosque. The regular celebration really doesn't have much to do with religion be it Eid or Christmas as prayers are not involved most of the time. It is mostly about enjoying, meeting with people and some cases paying ($$$)

Saj

30th November 2007, 20:43

guys just a reminder, I dont go around singing Christmas carols, go to Midnight mass, or decorate the house with huge inflatable santas and lights :)

punjabi

30th November 2007, 20:44

But having a Christmas tree - and giving kids Xmas presents? You must be having a laugh!

well we never had a tree, even as kids but my old man always used to decorate the shop at xmass time, the punters loved it ;-)

Luton Bad Boy

30th November 2007, 20:45

guys just a reminder, I dont go around singing Christmas carols, go to Midnight mass, or decorate the house with huge inflatable santas and lights :)

Thanks for clearing that up, there was me thinking you also went into Santa's Grotto and sat on Santa's lap and asked him for a new server for PP.

Oxy

30th November 2007, 21:00

They probably do in Pakistan and India. The celebration doesn't mean that you go to church or mosque. The regular celebration really doesn't have much to do with religion be it Eid or Christmas as prayers are not involved most of the time. It is mostly about enjoying, meeting with people and some cases paying ($$$)

Ive never seen Muslims celebrating Xmas in PAk - Ive been there for at least 4 or 5 in the last 7 years.

Pakistani Christians celebrate it - with style - but for everyone else its 'business as usual' - I mean last year my wifes sister was getting married on Xmas day - and her brother is getting married on the 26th this year.

Oxy

30th November 2007, 21:01

well we never had a tree, even as kids but my old man always used to decorate the shop at xmass time, the punters loved it ;-)That was a commercial gesture - Pakistanis would celebrate Jewish festivals if it meant an extra buck or 2!

Pak_cricketer

30th November 2007, 21:08

BUT, we do believe in Jesus as our prophet.

Wazeeri

30th November 2007, 21:15

My dad liked to put a tree in our window until I made a remark about it. Now the plastic 1 foot tree is gathering dust in the loft. Dressing up a tree is not a xtian ritual anyway, some Xtians misread the bible and associated this practice with worship. It is a pagan ritual. Thought to be practiced by tree worshippers.

It is however really important that we are civil towards the non muslims in the UK. There is a hatred brewing between the communities which could spill into bloodshed some time in the future. It is therefore really important that we are civil towards each other and build relationships at every opportunity.

Wazeeri

30th November 2007, 21:20

BUT, we do believe in Jesus as our prophet.

Our Jesus(pbuh) is a prophet, if christmas is about celebrating the birth of the prophet than there is not much problem in that but Christmas is about celebrating the birth of the son of God, Nauzu billah. It is a festival of Shirk.

It is better to wish people happy holidays than christmas

lodge_boy

30th November 2007, 21:32

You forgot about the lottery. :P
:))

punjabi

30th November 2007, 21:33

Our Jesus(pbuh) is a prophet, if christmas is about celebrating the birth of the prophet than there is not much problem in that but Christmas is about celebrating the birth of the son of God, Nauzu billah. It is a festival of Shirk.

It is better to wish people happy holidays than christmas

i think even the staunchest christian would concede that it is no longer anything at all to do with celebrating the birth of the prophet or even elebrating the birth of the son of God

fact is, it is the continuation of pre-christain winter festivities

lodge_boy

30th November 2007, 21:33

Our Jesus(pbuh) is a prophet, if christmas is about celebrating the birth of the prophet than there is not much problem in that but Christmas is about celebrating the birth of the son of God, Nauzu billah. It is a festival of Shirk.

It is better to wish people happy holidays than christmas

Yeah u are right, as a muslim i don't celebrate christmas, and i think it is wrong for muslims to celebrate christmas!!!

Wazeeri

30th November 2007, 21:34

i think even the staunchest christian would concede that it is no longer anything at all to do with celebrating the birth of the prophet or even elebrating the birth of the son of God

I would like to see a staunch Christian say anything other than the nativity story.

faisalm

30th November 2007, 21:35

Ive never seen Muslims celebrating Xmas in PAk - Ive been there for at least 4 or 5 in the last 7 years.

Well nobody really celebrates Christmas in the summer :P

Oxy

30th November 2007, 21:49

Well nobody really celebrates Christmas in the summer :P
December is winter in Pakistan.....and its COLD!!!!

12thMan

30th November 2007, 22:46

Ive never seen Muslims celebrating Xmas in PAk - Ive been there for at least 4 or 5 in the last 7 years.

Pakistani Christians celebrate it - with style - but for everyone else its 'business as usual' - I mean last year my wifes sister was getting married on Xmas day - and her brother is getting married on the 26th this year.And they would have been if in Pakistan XMas was a major holiday, if it was advertiszed on TV and Christians were not a small minority. I only knew 1 Christian (meaning a friend) in Pakistan . So who are you going to celebrate with? Muslims who are looking for the off day and a party? I think the day off in Paksitan is probably for birth of Quaid-e-Azam and not Christmas

Daoud

30th November 2007, 22:47

Well nobody really celebrates Christmas in the summer :P
Not quite. Christmas here IS during the summer.

I never really celebrated Christmas growing up as a kid. I remember going to some parties when I was younger. Think I got a present from my parents once but that was because the compound had organised something and there was a Santa giving stuff out. But that was when I was 6 or 7 and havent done anything since then apart from the occasional giving and receiving of cards.

Saj

1st December 2007, 10:41

Saj Scrooge has just announced at home that Christmas is cancelled in our household this year :D

Hash

1st December 2007, 11:07

In England I always go for Christmas lunch at a friend's place. They invite me and I go.

Now that I'm in Pakistan, I don't know what will happen.

the Great Khan

1st December 2007, 11:15

no surprise but i believe its a pagan celebration and wont celebrate although I do give chocolates to my english neighbours both on christmas and eid...oh and a card for them too..

sehsan

1st December 2007, 18:02

Saj Scrooge has just announced at home that Christmas is cancelled in our household this year :D

Good to hear that :). Wishing chrismas to friend would be ok but i dont think we should put the tree and give gifts to kids on chrismas.

tmac4real

1st December 2007, 18:44

Saj Scrooge has just announced at home that Christmas is cancelled in our household this year :D

why man? Dont listen to these guys just do what you want to do.

Anyways atleast Christmas here in the US for non-Christians is all about getting into the spirit of the holidays, then actual religion.

Underworld57

1st December 2007, 18:56

Well nobody really celebrates Christmas in the summer :P
ya they do..

Zinnia

1st December 2007, 22:58

Oh man saj ur poor kids!!
Seriouslsy when i was a kid and i was like the only kid in the house at that time we used to put a tree up and i used 2 get lots of presents and go and see santa. It was a kiddy thing to doo but i was also told we arent christian either. But then for a few years id say we didnt put one up cos well i grew up and no one else really cared but last 2 years we have had one up, and we have called it an EID tree for my neices and nephews cos well end of the day its decoration and well it looks nice and i love the smell of the tree. But they dont get presents (hahaha not as lucky as me) but neighbours do, and we make turkey well cos thats the only time of the year the halal butchers have them.
I dont see an issue with putting a tree up u can say its part of british culture not religeon its not really a christian country. Besides christmas time when its cold and hopefully snowing seems lovely and eid is round about the same time too.
Saj i think if ur kids want a tree let them have it after a while they will grow out of it just make sure u say to them we are doing this cos we live in the country and its their holiday but this doesnt make us christian/pagan and stuff. I mean if we start having mulled wine then yeah we are becoming unislamic or making a glazed harm but putting a tree up shouldnt be an issue. Besides the pine trees smell nice!!

isr

1st December 2007, 23:29

I remember, as kids my brother, me and my sister would look forward to christmas as my parents would put up a tree in the house and we'd get presents. It was an exciting time of the year, good tv to watch, 2 weeks off school and visits to and from relatives.

I must admit that with my kids we put up a Christmas tree and we give them some presents at this time of year, very much like we do at Eid.

Are we wrong as Muslims to "partially celebrate" Christmas and give our children presents and put up a Christmas tree in our house?

Your thoughts?

As someone who has grown up in a staunchly Catholic country (Ireland), allow me to give my $0.02.

Respecting the religious traditions of others IS a good thing. We would even give presents to close family friends (we wouldn't accept them, but we would get Eid presents from them).

However, because of how Christianity has a history of incorporating openly pagan symbols into their rituals and traditions, we always need to be a little careful. For example:

the Christmas tree (and Mistletoe)- an openly pagan tradition. I personally am against this one. I would never have one in my house, period (but that doesn't stop me taking my girls to check out some of the colourful setups in the mall - hope I'm not being too hypocritical here...)

Santa Claus: not pagan in origin (so ok in my book), but certainly nothing to do with Christianity either (actually - its from Viking lore, originating from when the captain of the ship, fresh from his raping, plundering and looting across Europe, would finally sail home before the fjords froze shut, and then rode his reindeer driven sled home, laden with booty).

presents: he who is against presents, is a boring old sod! The more, the better :)

Basically, respecting the religious traditions of others, without compromising our convictions - is the way to go (isn't it always).

Somali Pirate

2nd December 2007, 01:30

You've got to be kidding me.Christmas trees? The hell. I usually give and recieve cards to my non muslim friends. That's about it.

Joseph K.

2nd December 2007, 01:38

As someone who has grown up in a staunchly Catholic country (Ireland), allow me to give my $0.02.

Respecting the religious traditions of others IS a good thing. We would even give presents to close family friends (we wouldn't accept them, but we would get Eid presents from them).

However, because of how Christianity has a history of incorporating openly pagan symbols into their rituals and traditions, we always need to be a little careful. For example:

the Christmas tree (and Mistletoe)- an openly pagan tradition. I personally am against this one. I would never have one in my house, period (but that doesn't stop me taking my girls to check out some of the colourful setups in the mall - hope I'm not being too hypocritical here...)

Santa Claus: not pagan in origin (so ok in my book), but certainly nothing to do with Christianity either (actually - its from Viking lore, originating from when the captain of the ship, fresh from his raping, plundering and looting across Europe, would finally sail home before the fjords froze shut, and then rode his reindeer driven sled home, laden with booty).

presents: he who is against presents, is a boring old sod! The more, the better :)

Basically, respecting the religious traditions of others, without compromising our convictions - is the way to go (isn't it always).

Way to go bro. First we respect their religion then we find faults in their faith! Pagan this pagan that. Don't be upset when they find the pagan roots of crescent and star or the relationship between Amin, Amen and Amon Ra!!!

I don't celebrate Christmas but I don't look down upon it either. This is their faith and we have no right to judge it. Paganism can be found beneath any faith.

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar

2nd December 2007, 01:58

man don't people ever get tired of bickering over such trivial things? get a tree if you want. don't get a tree if you don't. celebrate along if you want. don't celebrate if you don't. wish others if you want, don't if you think it goes against your religion somehow. is everything really that complicated?

personally, my celebration is limited to wishing coworkers. the PC thing is to say Happy Holidays to not "offend" the non-Christians. so I make it a point to wish my Christian colleagues Merry Christmas. we're all people after all. I know it always makes me feel good when someone acknowledges or recognizes Eid, etc. so when others are nice enough to share your joy, the least we can do is do the same for them.

tmac4real

2nd December 2007, 02:21

isr

2nd December 2007, 07:03

Way to go bro. First we respect their religion then we find faults in their faith! Pagan this pagan that. Don't be upset when they find the pagan roots of crescent and star or the relationship between Amin, Amen and Amon Ra!!!

I don't celebrate Christmas but I don't look down upon it either. This is their faith and we have no right to judge it. Paganism can be found beneath any faith.

Oh grow up. At no point am I trying to belittle Christianity. There is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING in what I said above which any of my JESUIT (err, Christian, right?) masters at school would have objected to.

Its a simple fact that there are many pagan rituals and traditions incorporated into Christianity. Most of this was done as the Catholic Church was attempting to branch out into Western and Northern Europe (hence a lot of these pagan traditions come from Norse and Germanic cultures).

Something which any Catholic priest (or at least the many that I knew) would readily attest to.

So why are your knickers getting into a twist?

My point was simple. Christianity is a monotheistic faith, and one Muslims are OBLIGED to respect. Just be careful what is Christianity, and what is of pagan origin and LATER dragged into Christian tradition (many centuries later).

PS: "Amon Ra" was a short-lived Egyptian attempt at monotheism, not paganism or polytheism. Nice try though ...

isr

2nd December 2007, 07:06

Why do I get dragged into arguments with all the knuckleheads on this forum? Even on lighthearted threads like this one. Do I have a sign on my back, or something?

:13:

punjabi

2nd December 2007, 10:34

the PC thing is to say Happy Holidays to not "offend" the non-Christians.

what a crazy world we live in we cant say happy christmass becaue non-christinas may be offended

spot on post mutaaal..... :19:

all this ethical posturing about wether or not to send someone a christamss card or have a tree :119:

Joseph K.

2nd December 2007, 10:49

Oh grow up. At no point am I trying to belittle Christianity. There is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING in what I said above which any of my JESUIT (err, Christian, right?) masters at school would have objected to.

Its a simple fact that there are many pagan rituals and traditions incorporated into Christianity. Most of this was done as the Catholic Church was attempting to branch out into Western and Northern Europe (hence a lot of these pagan traditions come from Norse and Germanic cultures).

Something which any Catholic priest (or at least the many that I knew) would readily attest to.

So why are your knickers getting into a twist?

My point was simple. Christianity is a monotheistic faith, and one Muslims are OBLIGED to respect. Just be careful what is Christianity, and what is of pagan origin and LATER dragged into Christian tradition (many centuries later).

PS: "Amon Ra" was a short-lived Egyptian attempt at monotheism, not paganism or polytheism. Nice try though ...

This is the tone, boy, this is in the tone. Nobody is contesting the fact that there are pagan elements in Christianity, nothing new there but then there are pagan elements in other religions that their followers choose to turn a blind eye to. Don't judge other people's faith and nobody will judge yours. We all know what those Catholic priests 'teach' little boys but this is their fault, not a fault of their religion! Live and let live.

foojam

2nd December 2007, 11:16

jusarrived

2nd December 2007, 11:40

This is the tone, boy, this is in the tone. Nobody is contesting the fact that there are pagan elements in Christianity, nothing new there but then there are pagan elements in other religions that their followers choose to turn a blind eye on. Don't judge other people's faith and nobody will judge yours. We all know what those Catholic priests 'teach' little boys but this is their fault, not a fault of their religion! Live and let live.

well said ........ why such simple things are difficult to understand for some ppl ?

I was quite impressed after reading saj's post ....especially the Christmas tree thing ........we don really celebrate other relegion festivals , but my mom does make sweets & we have a familly gettogether be it on diwali christmas ir Eid ...most muslims & christians here celabrate hindu festivals like diwali & holi .... nuthing wrong with it IMO !

dblock

2nd December 2007, 11:53

I do find that Christmas is celebrated more widely than just Christians, most people like it as a festival and the Christian significance of it isn't the motivation for all, it's just a time of which marks the ending of the year and people take time off work, study, spend with the family and try to be good to each other, I don't see any reason why people would object to that. As long as you can accept and understand the religious interpretation of the festival, then it's not really an issue and if you should participate with activities, cards, gifts, parties as much as you think you are comfortable with.

isr

2nd December 2007, 21:24

This is the tone, boy, this is in the tone.

Ok, I'm tired of getting into arguments on this forum, so I'm going to let that pass. Once. Don't EVER make the mistake of thinking you can call me "boy" again.

Nobody is contesting the fact that there are pagan elements in Christianity, nothing new there but then there are pagan elements in other religions that their followers choose to turn a blind eye to. Don't judge other people's faith and nobody will judge yours.

This thread was not about judging Christianity. You seem hell-bent on turning it into that.

What this thread is about is : what elements of Christmas are potentially uncomfortable for a Muslim to be involved with (err, poorly worded).

SO IT IS ENTIRELY TO THE POINT THAT WE MENTION WHAT ELEMENTS OF CHRISTMAS HAVE NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS OR ORIGINAL CHRISTIANITY.

If someone wants to make choice, let them make an informed choice. Even priests have no issue's discussing this - what the heck is your problem? You'd rather we all live in ignorance instead?

We all know what those Catholic priests 'teach' little boys but this is their fault, not a fault of their religion! Live and let live.

Absolutely pathetic.

With only a couple of rare exceptions, most of the Catholic priests I knew, from our local parish priest in Ballyhaunis, to our Jesuits prefects in Clongowes, were damn fine men. You know damn all about them, so cut out the petty little jibes.

Takes a pretty selfless minded individual to even consider becoming ordained as priest, in todays world.

Zeenix

3rd December 2007, 06:16

Its Ok to be goodie goody, but celebrating one of the religious festivals is a bit OTT, specially when kids are in question. Already the environment you guys live doesn't help in supporting Islamic values, by celebrating their festivals one further smudges the line. I believe that people living in countries which doesn't support their faiths need to be more protective of their legitimate religious values, because the ground realities are different.

waqar_ahmad

3rd December 2007, 07:07

Got better things to do than celebrating christmas. I hate it when muslims celebrate christmas, and their kids talk abt santa all the time.

tmac4real

3rd December 2007, 15:50

Got better things to do than celebrating christmas. I hate it when muslims celebrate christmas, and their kids talk abt santa all the time.

yeah santa is really harmful.

Oxy

3rd December 2007, 16:46

yeah santa is really harmful.Isnt he just a promotional tool for Coca Cola?

tmac4real

3rd December 2007, 17:08

Seriously - The 'read santa' is all to do with promoting Coca Cola going back 100 years...

Originally Santa was 'green'.

I'm sure we covered this in Marketing some years back.....

again, nothing to do with Christianity...so don't see why it would be harmful to have a tree w/presents etc.

If your going to church then ur giving the wrong idea (even though I'm pretty tolerant, i've been to a temple, mosque, church etc but I can see where people are coming from with THIS)

Gonzo

3rd December 2007, 17:15

Santa Claus originates from the Germanic god Odin (looks kinda like Gandalf), who would hold a great party every winter solstice at the festival of Yule, and rewarded the children who fed his horse Sleipnir with gifts. When the Germanic tribes were christianised, Yule was turned into Christmas and Odin was turned into a Bishop called Saint Nicholas. Dutch immigrants brought the tradition over to the US, and the Dutch name for Saint Nicholas (Sinterklass) was corrupted into Santa Claus.

While Coca-Cola didn't invent the current version of Santa Claus, it was popularised in their massive advertising campaign in the 20's.

On the subject of celebrating christmas as a muslim, I wouldn't see anything wrong with it as it's largely a secular holiday these days. I can't imagine it violating your faith unless you worship Jesus.

Kashif

4th December 2007, 16:16

For me Christmas is about avoiding shopping in town, recording the odd decent programme on Sky + (used to be my VCR), receiving xmas cards from colleagues at work, attending/avoiding dept and company xmas do's.

Do not celebrate it but will participate to some extent in the whole mela since you cannot avoid it.

majid786

4th December 2007, 17:48

i dont celebrate christmas

12thMan

4th December 2007, 18:13

i dont celebrate christmas
so when your friends invite you to a party (or gathering) or company has a XMas party, you don't go? Most of these (for me) don't involve taking presents and nothing religeous happen. There will be quite a bit of alcohol there though but that is normal for most parties XMas or not. I haven't been to some traditional or old people party where they might sing.

Super Misbah

4th December 2007, 22:50

i think as muslims we are perfectly right to Partially celebrate christmas , always an exciting prospect , nice lighting , great movies , a great time of the year :19:

Robert

15th December 2007, 11:00

MIG

15th December 2007, 11:19

Depends on what you mean by celebrate - if its just limited to wishing Merry Xmas to your non Muslim friends , why not ? All it gains you is goodwill - doesnt mean that you believe in it or are denying Islam !

Frankly speaking, I am more worried about Muslims picking up the worse aspects of Xmas ie the material part ( shopping etc) and applying that to Eid!

hussain_0216

15th December 2007, 11:58

Muslims shoudl never celebrate the religious festivals of any other religion, they contradict our faith..

But I agree christmas is more Pagan then christian.....

Jesus was not born on Dec 25,,, this date is close to the pagan winter solstice and was adopted by christians to celebrate christmas, when europeans began to become christian.

The christmad tree is also a Pagan icon, the "ever green" tree's which remain green throughout the winter were bought into the home by Pagans because they represented life, which would return in the spring when the tree's would be chucked out..

then there are other things which have nothing to do with christianity, Santa Clause, Turkey Dinners, Red Robins, christmad cards the list is endless and they are there from commericalism to just additional cultural traditions being added onto christmas

Having said all that, we should wish christians and whoever a Happy Christmas, if they celebrate it

Hash

15th December 2007, 12:17

We've been invited by a Christian collegue to a Christmas dinner tonight in Islamabad. Will definitely be going.

filosofee

15th December 2007, 13:02

I'm not a Christian by faith, but by culture. I celebrate Christmas because it's gone back to being what is was before the Christians came to these islands - a great big feast and celebration to welcome the return of the Sun.

What about you?

It depends what exactly is meant by 'celebrate'. One December 25th, went with a youngers sister to her Pakistani Christian friend's Christmas day celebrations, which involved us going to church. Didn't hear anything that was offensive, the vicar (is that the right term?) talked about lots of things including Alexander the Great's jaunt into India.

I place lights up, around the windows and there's tinsel, place looks good, see nothing wrong in that, Eid is near too. Send Christmas cards (not to known Muslims, obviously). On Christmas day, it's a sister's fiance's birthday so we'll cook roast and have a party. If this is 'celebrating' Christmas, then I do.

hussain_0216

15th December 2007, 13:04

You would

filosofee

15th December 2007, 13:05

Muslims shoudl never celebrate the religious festivals of any other religion,

Why not? Wouldn't it foster understanding and tolerance? Would we not wish to enjoin non-Muslim friends into our Eid celebrations, so that they may learn what these festivities are, their origin?

filosofee

15th December 2007, 13:06

You would

Because I'm more tolerant than you?

hussain_0216

15th December 2007, 13:11

dblock

15th December 2007, 13:12

edit..double post. :P

dblock

15th December 2007, 13:13

Muslims shoudl never celebrate the religious festivals of any other religion, they contradict our faith..

I don't think anyone is asking Muslims or any other faiths to celebrate the 'religous' aspects of Christmas at all, that is for each respective religion, no on is asking people to go the church, sing hymns about Jesus etc...

Sending a Christmas card or even a present to colleagues and friends is being part of the 'celebration' but doesn't mean you are a Christan, don't be so narrow minded.

It is really hypocritical when a few of us Muslims ask people of other faiths to show a lot of tolerance of our religion (some do, some don't) and then we go out of our way to stop people celebrating theirs. I know that things like 'objecting to Christmas decorations' is not really a Muslim thing per se, like some newspapers have said but I know that it does happen.

hussain_0216

15th December 2007, 13:16

Sufyan!

15th December 2007, 13:19

noooooooooooo dont be silly we got eid coming man!

Robert

15th December 2007, 13:22

It depends what exactly is meant by 'celebrate'. One December 25th, went with a youngers sister to her Pakistani Christian friend's Christmas day celebrations, which involved us going to church. Didn't hear anything that was offensive, the vicar (is that the right term?) talked about lots of things including Alexander the Great's jaunt into India.

I place lights up, around the windows and there's tinsel, place looks good, see nothing wrong in that, Eid is near too. Send Christmas cards (not to known Muslims, obviously). On Christmas day, it's a sister's fiance's birthday so we'll cook roast and have a party. If this is 'celebrating' Christmas, then I do.

Nice bit of interfaith communication there filo!

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dblock

15th December 2007, 13:23

Whats wrong with you,,,

The whoal point about islam is that we have a set of beleifs defined by God in the Quran,,, the celebrations of other religions is not acceptable, we can wish them the best in whatever they are celebrating, but partaking in their religious festivals (like you going to church on christmas day is seriously screwed up)....

Your not more tolarant then me, you just know nothing about your faith,,,

Just going to a church doesn't mean anything, it's a place or religious worship, if one knows the tennets of Islam and has understanding of Christianity it may well improve the understanding of your own faith aswell as improve relation and goodwill.

Going to a place of religious worship e.g a Church, (although admittedly I would feel out of place going on Christmas day), isn't going to harm your religion and if it is then maybe you don't have a strong enough belief in your religion that you think you do. Surely then you should step foot in a bank which lends interest or buy from a shop which alcohol etc.. basically leading to an impossible position for many people. So instead show a little wisdom and flexibility like Filosofee has done and there is no harm.

Otherwise when Eid comes around be prepared to accept all non-muslims showing little to no allowance to celebrate it.

filosofee

15th December 2007, 13:27

Whats wrong with you,,,,,,

You mean what's right with me! Did not offend by refusing to join my younger sister to attend church when she was invited by her friend, a Pakistani Christian.

If a Christian or Jewish, or Buddhist, or Zen-following lady were invited to join Eid celebrations with us and refused on your grounds, what would your verdict be? No doubt that they are intolerant.

The whoal point about islam is that we have a set of beleifs defined by God in the Quran,,, the celebrations of other religions is not acceptable, we can wish them the best in whatever they are celebrating, but partaking in their religious festivals (like you going to church on christmas day is seriously screwed up)....

Your not more tolarant then me, you just know nothing about your faith,,,

Disagree. You show little understanding for humanity.

filosofee

15th December 2007, 13:30

Thats what I said wish them the best by all means, I even have no real problem with giving them a christmas card or something as a sign of friendship/respect. Just dont partake in their religious events...

I think going to christmas lunch or going to church like filosofee does falls into that category

Frankly? Who cares what you think! Any Christians on board PP - Pakistani or otherwise? I've no plans, yet, for the day after Boxing Day, so, if you want to invite me for dinner .............. :))

filosofee

15th December 2007, 13:33

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Thank you for the information. :)

hussain_0216

15th December 2007, 13:36

The reality is you know nothing of your faith...
the general concensus here is that there is no problem with wishing the christians a happy christmas or sending a christmad card or even generally enjoying the razzmatazz of a highly commercialised event...

BUt there is something seriously wrong with going to church on christmas day, do you throw paint over your mother on Holi and sacrifice a virgin to fit in with the satanists and not let them feel excluded from your love in.

Understanding of humanity has nothing to do with it, adhearing to your faith is the issue, if you ever read the quran it would show you, that you are commiting haram.

Momo

15th December 2007, 13:44

The no-nonsense (islamic) answer to this is: Muslims dont "celebrate" any day, atleast they shouldnt. No birthdays, no wedding anniverseries, no death anniversaries, and by extension, no Christmas. Eid too, is not about "celebrating" but is about observing. Observing means being thankful to Allah and making sure nobody around is in trouble etc. Its not about burning candles and showing-off new clothes etc. Going into concrete details defining ways to observe Eid will make this post very long and more importantly, I am hardly qualified to do it (can be found out tough by anyone interested simply by checking how Muhammad used to spend the day of Eid). But let me assure you one thing (which I am pretty sure about): Its not about sending Eid Mubarak cards to all and sundry. In fact, "Eid Mubarak" is the most useless and stupid phrase that can be. Just one of the long list of traditional things we say that dont mean a thing.

However, now coming back to what is (as opposed to what should be, as decribed in the first paragraph above): Now that we are not exactly the no-nonsense momins (unfortunately), so much so that its difficult to differentiate between us and non-muslims in most of the things we do - celebrating all kinds of anniversaries, even the stupid mother's day and what not, having girl-friends and "no-she-is-not-my-girlfriend-just-a-good-friend" friends, lusting after every new cell phone that nokia introduces, running maniacally after careers, cars and gadgets just like our non-muslim counterparts (sometimes even outrunning them) - whats the big fuss about christmas?

filosofee

15th December 2007, 13:51

The reality is you know nothing of your faith...
the general concensus here is that there is no problem with wishing the christians a happy christmas or sending a christmad card or even generally enjoying the razzmatazz of a highly commercialised event...

BUt there is something seriously wrong with going to church on christmas day, do you throw paint over your mother on Holi and sacrifice a virgin to fit in with the satanists and not let them feel excluded from your love in.
Couldn't care less about the "general consensus" and your second paragraph is laughable! :)))

Understanding of humanity has nothing to do with it, adhearing to your faith is the issue, if you ever read the quran it would show you, that you are commiting haram.

Boy I am so pleased that your God did not burden me with your type of parent/sibling. Do note, you do not own Islam and your brand of it is intolerance personified.

MIG

15th December 2007, 14:37

Ok Drinks Break - boys and girls.

No more personal stuff - no more questioning each others values etc - some great posters on this thread and a clash of mega egos in progress !!

Lets relax and argue in a saner voice - please.

tmac4real

15th December 2007, 15:39

I've been is a Mosque, Church, Synagogue, hindu temple. Damn I'm one confused person :)

Wazeeri

15th December 2007, 19:59

I've been is a Mosque, Church, Synagogue, hindu temple. Damn I'm one confused person

I get a feeling you have also visited the mental assylum from time to time.

JOKING

People come to visit you.

jattafridi

15th December 2007, 20:49

i don't celebrate christmas

Sufyan!

16th December 2007, 08:03

Im just glad i get 2 weeks of school!

Sufyan!

16th December 2007, 08:08

Got better things to do than celebrating christmas. I hate it when muslims celebrate christmas, and their kids talk abt santa all the time.

Yea i noo its pathetic,i cant imagine my self celebrating christmas its just of the rocket for me

KingKhanWC

22nd December 2010, 23:43

Obviously not going to Church for mass but to what level can Muslims particpate in Christmas?

I had a debate with a brother who said we should not even say Merry Christmas back.

Your thoughts?

Down2Earth

22nd December 2010, 23:45

i don't see why not.

FastBowler

22nd December 2010, 23:45

The people who say don't even say Merry Christmas back are stupid. I was surprised, Zakir Naik subscribes to this view as well.
Anyways, you can say Merry Christmas, help people decorate and even give gifts to non-Muslim friends if you want. That's my view. Just don't bring it into your own family. That would be kind of stupid.

KingKhanWC

22nd December 2010, 23:49

Random Aussie

22nd December 2010, 23:51

Considering the vast majority of people who celebrate Christmas are secular I am not sure what the issue is. Christmas long ago ceased to be about a Christian God, it is just a tradition.

22nd December 2010, 23:52

Why shouldn't I say Merry Christmas, when I get non Muslims saying 'Eid Mubarak' to me?

KingKhanWC

22nd December 2010, 23:55

Why shouldn't I say Merry Christmas, when I get non Muslims saying 'Eid Mubarak' to me?

Well his argument was very deep but the main point was Jesus(pbuh) was a great prophet and this tradition/religous celebration is going against his teachings.

Would Jesus(pbuh) say Merry Christmas back if he returned back to earth on Saturday?

Considering the vast majority of people who celebrate Christmas are secular I am not sure what the issue is. Christmas long ago ceased to be about a Christian God, it is just a tradition.

I agree but that was also one of his arugments.

hasanb

22nd December 2010, 23:56

Let me answer this by saying, a very merry christmas to everyone and a happy 2011 to all as well :)

SAF

22nd December 2010, 23:59

yes. why not?

edit: i didn't mean celebrate with your family or going to church. but saying Merry Christmas to your non Muslim friends and giving them gifts is fine by me.

KingKhanWC

23rd December 2010, 00:06

yes. why not?

Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America, states:

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Every people have their `Eid…" Some celebrations are of a religious nature, and some others are social and cultural. Some celebrations are based on beliefs and practices that are contrary to Islamic teachings, and some celebrations are not of that nature. Some people claim that Christmas is now a secular holiday and it is very much an American national holiday rather than a religious holiday. But it is wrong to assume that because this holiday is national, it has ceased to be Christian. It is true that this holiday is very popular and it is extremely commercialized; nevertheless it is basically a religious holiday. Its very name and all its symbolism is Christian through and through.

Christians celebrate at Christmas what they believe to be the "day of the birth of God's Son" or what they call "God Incarnate". Thus it is not only a celebration of another religion, it is also a celebration that is based on a belief that is totally against the teachings of Islam. From the Islamic point of view, the belief in the "Son of God" or "God in the flesh" is a blasphemy and kufr (denial of God's Oneness). By participation in Christmas, it is possible that slowly one may lose his or her consciousness of this basic point of difference.

Muslims must be very careful in this matter. The greatest danger is for our next generation, who may slowly lose their Islamic faith in tawhid and may start believing in Jesus as "more than a prophet and servant of Allah".

The argument that “Christmas is, after all, Prophet Jesus' birthday and so there is no harm in celebrating Christmas” is neither logical nor Islamic. Why should Muslims celebrate Jesus' birthday? Why not the birthdays of the other 24 prophets and messengers who are mentioned in the Qur'an by name?

For us Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is the final Prophet and Messenger of Allah, not Jesus. Christians believe that Jesus was the last one and they say that "after God spoke through many prophets … in these last days he spoke to us through his son whom he made to inherit every thing" (New Testament, Hebrews 1:1). Thus they celebrate his coming, but for us Muslims, Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet and Allah appointed him for all people and for all times to come.

I do agree that our little children are deeply affected with the festivities and glitter of this holiday. We should try to take them to some Islamic camps and conferences at this time and give them some other alternate programs and activities. But Muslim families should not have Christmas trees in their homes, nor should they put up lights inside or outside their homes at this time.

We should tell our children that we are Muslims and this is not our holiday. This is the holiday of our Christian neighbors and friends.

I am pleased to know that you celebrate Ramadan and `Eids with lights and decoration of your home and exchange gifts with your children. This is very thoughtful, indeed. It is good to decorate our homes and masjids during Ramadan and for `Eids. It is mentioned in one of the Hadiths that even the heaven is especially decorated during the month of Ramadan. Allah Almighty closes the gates of Hell and opens the gates of Paradise during the month of Ramadan.

We Muslims should give special attention to our own Islamic holidays. In this way our children will be attracted to our own celebrations rather than looking at others.

Unfortunately, there are some Muslims who do not pay any attention to Ramadan and `Eids. Some of them do not even come to `Eid prayers and even if they come, they do not take their day off from work. Thus their children have no idea about Islamic holidays or they think that Islam is a religion without any festivals and celebrations.

Explaining the reasons why Muslims don’t celebrate and believe in Christmas, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

Christmas was a pagan custom which was adopted into Christianity; it has nothing to do with reverence and love of Jesus, the mighty Messenger of Allah that we Muslims hold in the highest regard and respect. If Jesus were to come today, whether or not he would identify himself with those who celebrate Christmas is a question one should ask seriously.

If we are celebrating the great teachings of Jesus or other prophets, we must do so everyday. To do so means to practice love, mercy, justice and compassion and to be actively engaged in doing the will of God.

Now that is a convincing argument and sounds like a 'no' to me.

tahir_dj

23rd December 2010, 00:08

Now that is a convincing argument and sounds like a 'no' to me.

true plus Allah has given us Eid every Friday so y shiould we b celebrating xmas?

GOAT

23rd December 2010, 00:10

I don't believe in giving gifts to other Muslims or your family on Christmas but I don't mind saying Merry Christmas or anything like that. In fact, if it was the other way around and people didn't wish me Eid Mubarak, I'd be offended.

Giving gifts to your Christian friends or whoever is celebrating Christmas is fine by me. As long as it isn't and doesn't become a tradition for Muslims, it's fine by me :)

KingKhanWC

23rd December 2010, 00:11

true plus Allah has given us Eid every Friday so y shiould we b celebrating xmas?

dj, does this mean staying away from all the many customs of Christmas?

Sherazkhalid

23rd December 2010, 00:14

Tradition of Christmas is beyond me, even christians know that Jesus PBUH was born in march-april time frame, so why celebrate it in December, may be because it marks the end of winter solstice, and the celebration of return of the sun was painted as Christmas to make the new christians (former pagans) feel more at home. Still if Christians don't mind celebrating it, I do sometimes say Merry Christmas to be respectful of their customs, but celebrating a day that was given christian color on a pagan ritual just to make the pagans happy, sorry but I won't do it.

d0gers

23rd December 2010, 00:14

*yawn*

No offense to you KingKhanWC but this topic is debated every Christmas on here. Here's a couple of other threads:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=87183
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=49970

Pak_cricketer

23rd December 2010, 00:21

If you research into Christmas, you'll realize its a pagan holiday. Nothing with it has to do with the birth of Jesus Christ and there is no evidence that Jesus was even born on that day.

KingKhanWC

23rd December 2010, 00:22

kkmix

23rd December 2010, 00:37

Jesus was a prophet, so I don't see why we cannot celebrate the birth of a prophet. But yea we shouldn't go overboard with it.

Sherazkhalid

23rd December 2010, 00:41

If you research into Christmas, you'll realize its a pagan holiday. Nothing with it has to do with the birth of Jesus Christ and there is no evidence that Jesus was even born on that day.

Yep just what i said earlier, end of winter solstice and return of the sun celebration.

Riff

23rd December 2010, 00:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQgZ7HLZLv8

saj001

23rd December 2010, 01:31

Jingle bell Jinglee Bell

Decipher

23rd December 2010, 03:32

Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America, states:

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Every people have their `Eid…" Some celebrations are of a religious nature, and some others are social and cultural. Some celebrations are based on beliefs and practices that are contrary to Islamic teachings, and some celebrations are not of that nature. Some people claim that Christmas is now a secular holiday and it is very much an American national holiday rather than a religious holiday. But it is wrong to assume that because this holiday is national, it has ceased to be Christian. It is true that this holiday is very popular and it is extremely commercialized; nevertheless it is basically a religious holiday. Its very name and all its symbolism is Christian through and through.

Christians celebrate at Christmas what they believe to be the "day of the birth of God's Son" or what they call "God Incarnate". Thus it is not only a celebration of another religion, it is also a celebration that is based on a belief that is totally against the teachings of Islam. From the Islamic point of view, the belief in the "Son of God" or "God in the flesh" is a blasphemy and kufr (denial of God's Oneness). By participation in Christmas, it is possible that slowly one may lose his or her consciousness of this basic point of difference.

Muslims must be very careful in this matter. The greatest danger is for our next generation, who may slowly lose their Islamic faith in tawhid and may start believing in Jesus as "more than a prophet and servant of Allah".

The argument that “Christmas is, after all, Prophet Jesus' birthday and so there is no harm in celebrating Christmas” is neither logical nor Islamic. Why should Muslims celebrate Jesus' birthday? Why not the birthdays of the other 24 prophets and messengers who are mentioned in the Qur'an by name?

For us Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is the final Prophet and Messenger of Allah, not Jesus. Christians believe that Jesus was the last one and they say that "after God spoke through many prophets … in these last days he spoke to us through his son whom he made to inherit every thing" (New Testament, Hebrews 1:1). Thus they celebrate his coming, but for us Muslims, Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet and Allah appointed him for all people and for all times to come.

I do agree that our little children are deeply affected with the festivities and glitter of this holiday. We should try to take them to some Islamic camps and conferences at this time and give them some other alternate programs and activities. But Muslim families should not have Christmas trees in their homes, nor should they put up lights inside or outside their homes at this time.

We should tell our children that we are Muslims and this is not our holiday. This is the holiday of our Christian neighbors and friends.

I am pleased to know that you celebrate Ramadan and `Eids with lights and decoration of your home and exchange gifts with your children. This is very thoughtful, indeed. It is good to decorate our homes and masjids during Ramadan and for `Eids. It is mentioned in one of the Hadiths that even the heaven is especially decorated during the month of Ramadan. Allah Almighty closes the gates of Hell and opens the gates of Paradise during the month of Ramadan.

We Muslims should give special attention to our own Islamic holidays. In this way our children will be attracted to our own celebrations rather than looking at others.

Unfortunately, there are some Muslims who do not pay any attention to Ramadan and `Eids. Some of them do not even come to `Eid prayers and even if they come, they do not take their day off from work. Thus their children have no idea about Islamic holidays or they think that Islam is a religion without any festivals and celebrations.

Explaining the reasons why Muslims don’t celebrate and believe in Christmas, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

Christmas was a pagan custom which was adopted into Christianity; it has nothing to do with reverence and love of Jesus, the mighty Messenger of Allah that we Muslims hold in the highest regard and respect. If Jesus were to come today, whether or not he would identify himself with those who celebrate Christmas is a question one should ask seriously.

If we are celebrating the great teachings of Jesus or other prophets, we must do so everyday. To do so means to practice love, mercy, justice and compassion and to be actively engaged in doing the will of God.

Now that is a convincing argument and sounds like a 'no' to me.

hmmm.... interesting.

How about this ??

Quran 2: 120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.

and then this ??
BxCKFbXCmNY

Passion4Pakistan

23rd December 2010, 04:33

Robert

23rd December 2010, 05:38

Christmas long ago ceased to be about a Christian God, it is just a tradition.

The tradition was around a long time before the Jesus religion came to be.

It's about being kind and friendly to each other in the dead of winter and having a big feast.

People in the UK can miss out on it if they want to.....

Garuda

23rd December 2010, 05:47

I am fine to celebrate chrismas, eid, holi and guru nanak jayanti and many more, as long as I am getting a designated holiday from work.

only 10 days per year currently is too less. :(

kingusama92

23rd December 2010, 05:50

For me Christmas means one thing. Holidays!! :D

I say "Merry Christmas" they say "Eid Mubarak" - we move on. Is too much read into the saying?

Decipher

23rd December 2010, 05:54

The tradition was around a long time before the Jesus religion came to be.

It's about being kind and friendly to each other in the dead of winter and having a big feast.

People in the UK can miss out on it if they want to....

.

hmmmm ... u sure it's the cold weather ???

This is interesting cuz I was in South Africa last December ... it was blazing hot weather in Johannesburg during Christmas and I guess same weather goes in Australia and New Zealand on Christmas.

Garuda

23rd December 2010, 05:58

For me Christmas means one thing. Holidays!! :D

I say "Merry Christmas" they say "Eid Mubarak" - we move on. Is too much read into the saying?
absolutely. holidays are cool. And if there is a cricket match that day then Chrismas is even better. :)

kingusama92

23rd December 2010, 06:00

hmmmm ... u sure it's the cold weather ???

This is interesting cuz I was in South Africa last December ... it was blazing hot weather in Johannesburg during Christmas and I guess same weather goes in Australia and New Zealand on Christmas.

Robert was talking about where this tradition grew from.

Those individuals have taken their customs to these lands that you listed. However, the tradition itself was based around people enjoying themselves in the "dead of winter".

Decipher

23rd December 2010, 06:05

Robert was talking about where this tradition grew from.

Those individuals have taken their customs to these lands that you listed. However, the tradition itself was based around people enjoying themselves in the "dead of winter".

Oh ok ... thanks for explaining.

I hope Robert did not misunderstood me.

kingusama92

23rd December 2010, 06:26

Oh ok ... thanks for explaining.

I hope Robert did not misunderstood me.

No problem.

You made a valid point in a way.

The traditions seemed to have stuck even as individuals moved around.

HumorMe

23rd December 2010, 07:27

Yes, Christmas is highly commercialized and holds little, if any, religious appeal. Living in NY, I do enjoy the Christmas spirit mainly for the decorations and all the effort that is invested in the long treck to the Big Day. And although I dnt join in the festivities of X-mas, I make sure to be polite to my Christian neighbors.

Islam has not taught me to live in seclusion, cut off from non-muslims if it's non-Muslims I live amongst. Rather, Islam has taught me to honor their rights to practice the deen of their choice. How can I have the audacity to expect them to be tolerant of me and my deen while holding a condescending view of them? How can we make progress w/out extending the hand of kindness?

I have non-Muslim friends that rach out to me during Ramadan and 'Eid and for me to not reciprocate that on their holidays would make me seem really inconsiderate. And if I started saying that I'm sorry, based on the explainations of such n such sheikh, I can't even wish u Merry X-mas, I doubt the non-Muslim would walk away w/ pleasant feelings abt Islam.

Desire

23rd December 2010, 07:33

dont know about celebrate but i enjoy the time of christmis snao, haoledaeys and shaopping

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 08:07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSdMesudyQ8

I'd just like to add that I thoroughly disagree with the good doctor.

RexRex

23rd December 2010, 08:45

Do non-chrisitians feel threatened or uncomfortable by christmas trees at their office areas ?

Apparently it is a source of discontent among some in the US saying 'it is divisive to the productivity of the workplace'.

Liberty

23rd December 2010, 08:48

Do non-chrisitians feel threatened or uncomfortable by christmas trees at their office areas ?

I do. I feel threatened. :danish:danish

Garuda

23rd December 2010, 08:52

PakPassionate

23rd December 2010, 09:01

RexRex

23rd December 2010, 09:04

I do feel threatened if its a real tree been cut. :P

oh you're just a green activist.

RexRex

23rd December 2010, 09:04

I do. I feel threatened. :danish:danish

Threatened by what ?

PakPassionate

23rd December 2010, 09:07

I can't even wish u Merry X-mas, I doubt the non-Muslim would walk away w/ pleasant feelings abt Islam.

Basic Rule:
"Invite all to the way of your Lord with Hikmah (wisdom) and beautiful preaching, and argue with them in ways which are best..." (Quran 16:125)

Before answering always ask: What do you mean?

Neutralize

Don't answer questions directly, give brief background of the issue

Be extraordinarily polite

Don't get sidetracked

Remember your purpose: convey Islam and NOT get trapped with Biblical or social issues.

PakPassionate

23rd December 2010, 09:10

For me Christmas means one thing. Holidays!! :D

I say "Merry Christmas" they say "Eid Mubarak" - we move on. Is too much read into the saying?

Its not just a holiday

Christmas is a holiday observed generally on December 25 to commemorate the birth of Jesus, the central figure of Christianity.

Newton_fan

23rd December 2010, 09:10

How many Non-Muslims say Happy EID ???

If they does then we should also wish them there festival.

Newton_fan

23rd December 2010, 09:14

Its not just a holiday

Christmas is a holiday observed generally on December 25 to commemorate the birth of Jesus, the central figure of Christianity.

So doesn't it makes kind of Festival for Muslims. Because Prophet Isa was too a messenger of Allah.

PakPassionate

23rd December 2010, 09:14

How many Non-Muslims say Happy EID ???

If they does then we should also wish them there festival.

if anyone use abuse ...will u do the same?

PakPassionate

23rd December 2010, 09:16

So doesn't it makes kind of Festival for Muslims. Because Prophet Isa was too a messenger of Allah.

Bro i have answer this in my above post..... we Muslims don't believe that he is son of God..... let me paste my answer here again..

Why Christian celebrate Christmas?

every knows because Jesus [may Allah peace be with him] was born on that day.
Christian believes that he is son of god. and We Muslims believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.

so if we give Christmas greetings to Christian it means we are also agreeing that he is Son of God.

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 09:29

Merry Christmas to all my fellow PPers and especially to PakPassionate. May you all have a good Christmas.

I'm getting late for Zuhr, I'll talk to you later. :moyo :P

That's my view.

Abdullah22

23rd December 2010, 09:41

But when shall I celebrate the Christmas day on 25 dec or on 6/7 January. And my house has no chimney how will Santa visit me?

DeadlyVenom

23rd December 2010, 09:43

I dont celebrate it. Either way it doesnt appeal to me - Christian holiday or secular holiday its basically all about throwing away your money and the pursuit of a lifestyle most people cannot afford. Very Materialistic. Its sad to see those parents who have hardly any money feeling that they have to buy their child an expensive gift to show they love them

However I do like to wish those that are celebrating it a merry christmas.I dont see how anyone can think that saying Merry Christmas is wrong. The Mosque I go to even sends out Christmas cards to local churches. We shouldnt be unnecessarily strict or rigid in these small matters.

Newton_fan

23rd December 2010, 09:44

if anyone use abuse ...will u do the same?

They are wishing you Good. Not bad

Abdullah22

23rd December 2010, 09:49

They are wishing you Good. Not bad

You don't see the irony do you?

They wish you a happy Christmas which you aren't celebrating and has no value in front of you. How can that be anything good, for you their wish is nothing

It's like somebody is drinking wine he says to you 'enjoy your wine'

Robert

23rd December 2010, 09:51

Oh ok ... thanks for explaining.

I hope Robert did not misunderstood me.

No probs Decipher.

Indeed, the old European tribes have spread to the Southern hemisphere and taken their traditions with them.

Robert

23rd December 2010, 09:53

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 11:04

You don't see the irony do you?

They wish you a happy Christmas which you aren't celebrating and has no value in front of you. How can that be anything good, for you their wish is nothing

It's like somebody is drinking wine he says to you 'enjoy your wine'

No its nothing like that. Its more like, if you're not having a good morning and you see someone out on the street and they say "Good morning" to you. How they dare! :hafeez

Garuda

23rd December 2010, 11:11

You don't see the irony do you?

They wish you a happy Christmas which you aren't celebrating and has no value in front of you. How can that be anything good, for you their wish is nothing

It's like somebody is drinking wine he says to you 'enjoy your wine'
Do you have a issue in someone saying you "Cheers", or "Enjoy" or "Have fun" or "take care"?

Same way, that's just a wish.

Abdullah22

23rd December 2010, 11:52

Do you have a issue in someone saying you "Cheers", or "Enjoy" or "Have fun" or "take care"?

Same way, that's just a wish.

Sorry your comment doesn't make sense. Not your fault BTW, it's the social conditioning.

I'm not looking forward to continue this senseless discussion.

@Fastbowler

So do you also celebrate or greet people on Magha Puja Day, Visakah Puja or Songkran. Why not?

hasanb

23rd December 2010, 11:59

So do you also celebrate or greet people on Magha Puja Day, Visakah Puja or Songkran. Why not?

Sure, if I knew people who really celebrated those days then I most certainly would wish and greet them on that day. Just like I greet my indian friends on Diwali or Holi etc.

Crazy_K

23rd December 2010, 12:23

Don't really care about xmas as it is, but gotta love the festivities, the xmas spirit. The whole office is bubbly, sweets and cakes everyday. Movies on TV, holidays spent with family.

Markhor

23rd December 2010, 12:33

I don't understand why people who DON'T believe in God and don't even bother going to church still celebrate Christmas considering that the whole point of it is to celebrate Jesus's birth,who Christians believe is the son of the God.

The commercialization of Christmas is disgraceful,hate these profit-seeking corporations.

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 12:44

@Fastbowler

So do you also celebrate or greet people on Magha Puja Day, Visakah Puja or Songkran. Why not?

If by that you're asking do I wish people well on their religious holidays, yes I do.

amirfanforlife

23rd December 2010, 12:57

I wish merry christmas because my friends say happy eid to me but My parents say that we shouldn't celebrate christmas.
QUESTION:-
This christmas I was given presents so I gave presents back - Is that allowed?

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 13:00

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 13:02

To those people who don't like giving back presents to Christian friends on Christmas when they give you presents, you could just give them presents on Eid instead.

MIG

23rd December 2010, 13:05

Decipher

23rd December 2010, 13:43

Yaar - why do Muslims make such a big deal out of this? They will watch movies, listen to songs, talk about girls, swear, abuse but somehow come Xmas, there is all this hooha about wishing people!

Here are some questions you could ask before uttering the dreaded words "Merry ..."

1. Does it mean you have renounced Islam?
2. Are you doing as a matter of good behaviour/manners?
3. Does it result in better relations between Muslims and the local populace?

Fact is more than a majority of people DONT put a religious conotation to this day - its a fun time, an annual holiday and time for some to let their hair down.

This is a good post.
I think we should practice mediocrity to strike a balance between our social lives and our emaan. Being too stiff or too loose is what we are trying to avoid.

Here is an example,

On the last Eid day, I arrived at the office, turned on my computer and while I was sipping on the coffee, the first person visited me to say good morning was Jewish. He immediately said " Happy Holidays and Eid ul adhaa" and shook my hand with a smile. Then I visited my team lead during the day who happens to be from the Hindu faith, she greeted me with a smile and said , Happy Bakri Eid, where is my Biryani?

Couple of other colleagues (Caucasian Americans) who I think are not practicing Christians but extended some formal Eid greetings to me during the day.

Now, what am I supposed to do on Christmas, Hanukkah, and Dewali when I come across these guys in my office? I think it would only be fair to greet them with a smile and extend Holiday greetings.

I may perhaps not go uninvited to a Church, Synagogue or a Hindu Temple to find my friends and office workers to extend holiday greetings but I think it's only fair that we should return a good greeting with a good greeting.

wasim-fan

23rd December 2010, 13:50

One of the comforts of lack of belief system in terms of religion is that I get to enjoy all celebrations and all festivals. After all, Life is a celebration, innit ?

Newton_fan

23rd December 2010, 14:27

Everybody remembered Christmas, How many of you remember Quaid-e-Azam's Birthday.

MIG

23rd December 2010, 14:28

Everybody remembered Christmas, How many of you remember Quaid-e-Azam's Birthday.

Was QuaideAzam actually born on that day? Or was this a little trick by the Govt of the day to guarantee Xmas day off in a predominantly Muslim country?

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 14:29

Everybody remembered Christmas, How many of you remember Quaid-e-Azam's Birthday.

Me!!!!! :yahoo :yahoo :irfan

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 14:30

Was QuaideAzam actually born on that day? Or was this a little trick by the Govt of the day to guarantee Xmas day off in a predominantly Muslim country?

Why would you question that? Quaid spent much of his life when he thought he was born on 20 October. Afterwards he must have found something which suggested he was born on 25 December. It was quite common before, as you should know.

wasim-fan

23rd December 2010, 14:36

was quaideazam actually born on that day? Or was this a little trick by the govt of the day to guarantee xmas day off in a predominantly muslim country?

:)) :))

MIG

23rd December 2010, 14:46

Why would you question that? Quaid spent much of his life when he thought he was born on 20 October. Afterwards he must have found something which suggested he was born on 25 December. It was quite common before, as you should know.

Lets analyse this

statement 1:

Quaid spent much of his life when he thought he was born on 20 October.

So was he born on 20th October?

statement 2

Afterwards he must have found something which suggested he was born on 25 December

And how do you know that?

statement 3

It was quite common before, as you should know.

How long ago are we talking here - 50 years, 60, 70?

Look Quaid wasnt born in chak pentalees - he was born in an educated family and not so poor one. They had records in "those" days as well.

Passion4Pakistan

23rd December 2010, 14:47

Only One Way Muslims could celebrate Christmas and that is as the Birthday of Jesus Christ as we Muslim also follow him as one our messenger sent by ALLAH.

But the truth is 25th Dec is not Jesus real Birthday...

You Can find more details here. --> Click Here (http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Jesus-Birthday)

MIG

23rd December 2010, 14:48

Sorry to drag this off topic but Wiki says

Although his earliest school records state that he was born on October 20, 1875, Sarojini Naidu, the author of Jinnah's first biography, gives the date as ”December 25, 1876”.

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 14:51

Lets analyse this

statement 1:
So was he born on 20th October?
statement 2
And how do you know that?
statement 3
How long ago are we talking here - 50 years, 60, 70?

Look Quaid wasnt born in chak pentalees - he was born in an educated family and not so poor one. They had records in "those" days as well.

Being from an educated family doesn't necessarily change this. I know of people from very good families whose parents or grandparents aren't sure of their exact birthdates.
As to when, I can't remember when but it was well before Partition, I think it was in the 1930s. Why do I think he must have found something which suggested to him that his birth was in December? Because why else would he change it, rationally speaking, not conspiracies about trying to make it a day off?

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 14:53

Sorry to drag this off topic but Wiki says

Which goes towards what I was saying. I have read from a very reliable source about this.

Desire

23rd December 2010, 15:11

Yaar look at this........

Why Christian celebrate Christmas?

every knows because Jesus [may Allah peace be with him] was born on that day.
Christian believes that he is son of god. and We Muslims believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.

so if we give Christmas greetings to Christian it means we are also agreeing that he is Son of God.

Pls yaar its simple try to understand.

where does that logic come from mate?? giving gift is not part of religion. its just a goodwill jesture which people have developed over the years. you can give gift with the intention of solidarity. we have seen hindus writing and saying naats. does that mean they believe in islam and prophet(pbuh) as last prophet and greater than everybody else? obviously no. They show solidarity with muslims and pay respect to the great man.

Desire

23rd December 2010, 15:19

Everybody remembered Christmas, How many of you remember Quaid-e-Azam's Birthday.

Quaid e azam who?? seriously i havent heard people talking about him except in school class rooms when the page comes. you go to mechanic, you go for shopping, you go in a taxi, you go for picnic, you go in a party, you go anywhere, have you heard anyone talk about qaid e azam? i havent. what about 14 august. have you heard anybody talk about quad e azam on 14 august even when we have holiday? i havent. its strange isnt it.

QazzarFan

23rd December 2010, 15:23

For everyone advocating we shouldn't address Christmas

Let me ask you if your non muslim classmate/co worker/ friend is civilized and respectful enough to greet you on Eid then are you going to avoid them on Christmas/Diwali/ Hanukkah and how do you think that will reflect upon Islam if you choose to not greet them back

MIG

23rd December 2010, 15:25

Quaid e azam who?? seriously i havent heard people talking about him except in school class rooms when the page comes. you go to mechanic, you go for shopping, you go in a taxi, you go for picnic, you go in a party, you go anywhere, have you heard anyone talk about qaid e azam? i havent. what about 14 august. have you heard anybody talk about quad e azam on 14 august even when we have holiday? i havent. its strange isnt it.

So its OK to celebrate the birthday of QuaideAzam but not so for another Prophet of Islam?

tanzeel

23rd December 2010, 15:26

Why in the blue hell not?

Desire

23rd December 2010, 15:30

So its OK to celebrate the birthday of QuaideAzam but not so for another Prophet of Islam?

in my opinion its ok to celebrate christmas day to show solidarity with christians.

hasanb

23rd December 2010, 15:32

Why in the blue hell not?

lol, brilliant.

couldnt have said it better.

sal2010

23rd December 2010, 15:37

Sorry to drag this off topic but Wiki says

When I moved to pakistan as I child i did think it was awfully convinient that the Quaids birthday is on Xmas day.

cricfan4ever

23rd December 2010, 15:49

Now that is a convincing argument and sounds like a 'no' to me.

right on the money!

cricfan4ever

23rd December 2010, 15:52

just this yr my brother's roommates in college gave him gifts on Eid...so he obliged by giving them gifts for Christmas...

though I understand it from a humanitarian perspective, still Islamically it was incorrect...

so what's the solution here guys? for those of us living in the States or UK etc.

if your friends give u gifts on Eid, should you give them gifts on Xmas?

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 15:54

people are separating Islam from humanitarianism in ordinary day to day life shouldn't they be the same?

cricfan4ever

23rd December 2010, 15:58

I personally have never celebrated Xmas or given gifts...just this year for the first time I saw it happen but that was cuz my brother got gifts from his friends on Eid...

it's tough...I tried explaining but was met with resistance from him...

my parents also don't celebrate Xmas and neither do we give gifts, but on this occassion it was an exception I guess...

I explained to my brother that Christmas inherently is a pagan holiday...and was surprised that my parents didn't know the actual history behind it...

I don't know abt my relatives but yes we shouldn't be celebrating Xmas because there is no reason to...

however, I would like some factual based reply to my query above...

tauseefm

23rd December 2010, 16:40

absolutely. holidays are cool. And if there is a cricket match that day then Chrismas is even better. :)

Well boxing day test match is on xmas day here in Canada. And i always look forward to xmas holidays :D. So Merry Christmas to everybody!

Newton_fan

23rd December 2010, 16:50

Well boxing day test match is on xmas day here in Canada. And i always look forward to xmas holidays :D. So Merry Christmas to everybody!

We have three Matches to watch on Boxing Day

1, Pak vs NZ T20

2, Aus vs Eng Test

3, RSA vs India Test

:( no ODI

cricfan4ever

23rd December 2010, 18:20

people are separating Islam from humanitarianism in ordinary day to day life shouldn't they be the same?

I am no saint, but I do know for a fact that our deen is humanitarian at its core...

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 19:06

I am no saint, but I do know for a fact that our deen is humanitarian at its core...

Then why did you separate the two?

though I understand it from a humanitarian perspective, still Islamically it was incorrect...

PakPassionate

23rd December 2010, 19:37

PakPassionate

23rd December 2010, 19:42

Of course why not? Its basic manners.

Brother for reaching any good means you never have to adopt wrong means you have to go as the guidance of the Quran and Sunnah

hasanb

23rd December 2010, 19:47

I can't stand that Zakir Naik fella, don't mean to offend anyone but he really annoys me...I ignore him and every word that comes out of his mouth.

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 19:59

Yeah I saw that Zakir Naik video. Complete and absolute rubbish. Merry Christmas to everyone, whether its commercial or religious.

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 20:02

Brother for reaching any good means you never have to adopt wrong means you have to go as the guidance of the Quran and Sunnah

Alright.

"Merry Christmas"
"No, come with me"
"What where?"
"I just want to show you something. See over here, I've dragged you out of your way to show you that Christmas is wrong and Jesus wasn't born during this time and as a Muslim I don't believe Jesus is son of God. You're wrong and everything you ever believed was wrong. Keep this up and you're going straight to hell."
"Alright, sorry I won't wish you Merry Christmas again"
"And I find saying Christ offensive"
"Alright alright sorry. Arab nut."
"I think I've opened his mind to Islam today :)"

Desire

23rd December 2010, 20:06

FSdMesudyQ8

thats not a good reason. "when you are saying merry christmis you are agreeing that jesis is son of god" i ask what is an agreement?

1. a written contract between two persons. OR/AND
2. acceptance of an argument from someone.

clearly by saying "Merry christmas"

1. you havent written any contract between you and your friend or you and Allah that "jesis is son of God"

2. you havent accepted argument that "Jesis is son of God".
3. your friend havent even asked you to accept "Jesis is son of God"

so how can zakir naik say that You have agreed to "Jesis is son of God" ??

the SHA

23rd December 2010, 20:18

Regarding greetings, how about we look at it from another perspective...

We have some diverse members on PP who are Christians, Hindu, Atheist, Agnostic etc. who may celebrate Christmas every year.

For those that are, would you feel offended if a Muslim chose not to return your greetings of 'Merry Christmas' and / or return your Xmas cards or gifts in kind? Would it matter at all if they politely explained why they were not (i.e. on religious grounds)?

That would be interesting to know....

Desire

23rd December 2010, 20:22

Brother for reaching any good means you never have to adopt wrong means you have to go as the guidance of the Quran and Sunnah

thats zakir naik's trick. he hasnt even proved first argument that "saying merry christmas is haram or shirk" but he built another argumet "Building relationships doing haram acts is not allowed" and used the first unproven argument as a reason to prove second argument so that when second argument is accepted, first one is automatically accepted. Its like setting a trap for acceptance of first argument.

chacha kashmiri

23rd December 2010, 20:29

i never understand topics like this

there's much bigger stuff going on and much bigger practises we should adhere to/ refrain from, then arguing over whether to wish someone happy xmas

Desire

23rd December 2010, 20:43

i never understand topics like this

there's much bigger stuff going on and much bigger practises we should adhere to/ refrain from, then arguing over whether to wish someone happy xmas

well lets make it simple. can someone tell me what is the position of a mulla or scholar in islam? if we accept his argument and act on it then on judgement day if we find out that his argument was wrong, will the responsibility of our acts lie on the mullah or us? if it lies on mulla then i would accept whatever he says to be on the safe side. if responsibility of my deeds lie on myself then i have a right to question the mullah and decide for myself.

Desire

23rd December 2010, 20:57

ahan. i think zakir naik is talking about this. he is basically saying when you say "merry christmas" you are basically saying "happy birthday of son of God". which is wrong because as a muslim we believe jesis was Allah''s prophet so merry christmas means "happy birthday of prophet of Allah" if a muslim say it. However zakir's logic works when we deal with non ibrahamic religions like hinduism. Saying happy hanuman birthday or happy rawand birthday will be haram as it will be equal to accepting that "Rawand existed"

MIG

23rd December 2010, 21:06

Desire

23rd December 2010, 21:13

No sorry - I am not saying that. I know what I am thinking and that is NOT what I am thinking !

ok.. another baariki i thought .. if you meet a stranger like e,g in shopping mall and he says merry christmas then if you reply with merry chirstmas he might interpret that you are christian thats not what you want to project so as a muslim one should tell him first that i am a muslim and i believe in jesis christ as prophet so merry christmas to you as well. However if your friend who knows that you are muslim says merry christmas to you then its ok to reply merry christmas as both parties know what is going on.

Dont take this as fatwa guys. good night :)

FastBowler

23rd December 2010, 21:25

ok.. another baariki i thought .. if you meet a stranger like e,g in shopping mall and he says merry christmas then if you reply with merry chirstmas he might interpret that you are christian thats not what you want to project so as a muslim one should tell him first that i am a muslim and i believe in jesis christ as prophet so merry christmas to you as well. However if your friend who knows that you are muslim says merry christmas to you then its ok to reply merry christmas as both parties know what is going on.

Dont take this as fatwa guys. good night :)

Or you could just reply Merry Christmas and save everyone some time.

rahulrulezz

23rd December 2010, 22:08

FSdMesudyQ8

wow...I am ashamed this guy is Indian.. lol, I have always wished my friends Eid Mubarak, Merry Christmas...Muslims complain why western countries treat them differently..ban their dresscode.. its people like him that seperate muslims from other people...

hasanb

23rd December 2010, 22:09

Muslims complain why western countries treat them differently..ban their dresscode.. its people like him that seperate muslims from other people...

Thats very true, this guy in my humble opinion is an idiot of the highest order.

tauseefm

23rd December 2010, 22:30

We have three Matches to watch on Boxing Day

1, Pak vs NZ T20

2, Aus vs Eng Test

3, RSA vs India Test

:( no ODI

Well i will be watching Aus vs Eng. Pakistan vs NZ is going to be boring and I will only be checking the score of RSA vs India. cuz i just love to read how bad india is doing(cuz of my indian coworkers :D)

cricfan4ever

23rd December 2010, 23:49

FSdMesudyQ8

thank you brother...I love Dr.Zakir Naik!

such a knowledgeable person Mashallah!

cricfan4ever

23rd December 2010, 23:59

Then why did you separate the two?

that came out wrong lol

I take that back and stand firm on what I said, I was against the idea of my brother giving his friends gifts for Xmas...

what I meant is that even in Islamic humanitarian perspective it's a disservice to my brother and his friends because no one wins in this situation though in worldly terms it's viewed as a humanitarian act...

Garuda

24th December 2010, 02:21

Sorry your comment doesn't make sense. Not your fault BTW, it's the social conditioning.

I'm not looking forward to continue this senseless discussion.

@Fastbowler

So do you also celebrate or greet people on Magha Puja Day, Visakah Puja or Songkran. Why not?
As you wish.

QazzarFan

24th December 2010, 06:31

Energy

24th December 2010, 06:33

Vegitto1

24th December 2010, 09:03

MIG

24th December 2010, 09:16

Like many have said, there is nothing wrong in celebrating Christmas if you celebrate it as the day Prophet Isa was born.

When you wish Merry Christmas to someone, you are not thinking in your head 'he is the son of god etc' Plus Allah knows best.

We don't celebrate it in our family but we do wish it to our postman and neighbours. After all one must love his neighbour no matter what religion they are.

As simple as that - well done for sharing that.

In todays Juma Khutba, our Maulvi devoted , what was that - like 10 mins, talking about this as Shirk etc.

Can you think of a bigger waste of time when the same time could have been devoted to delivering a message against so many other issues in the Muslim world?

FastBowler

24th December 2010, 09:20

As simple as that - well done for sharing that.

In todays Juma Khutba, our Maulvi devoted , what was that - like 10 mins, talking about this as Shirk etc.

Can you think of a bigger waste of time when the same time could have been devoted to delivering a message against so many other issues in the Muslim world?

If I had been there I would have a) just gotten up and left or b)told him to talk about something he knows
I'm guessing you did something similar to option b (albeit probably more respectfully)?

Noork85

24th December 2010, 09:21

Cmon, u people seriously believe dec 25th is the bday of christ?

PakPassionate

24th December 2010, 10:04

The Glorious Qur'an says:

"As to those who reject Faith it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; They will not believe. "Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil Great is the penalty they incur." [Al-Qur'an 2 : 6 - 7]

FastBowler

24th December 2010, 10:21

Cmon, u people seriously believe dec 25th is the bday of christ?

No one is debating whether it is or not. The debate is to what extent should one go in Christmas celebrations.

umerz

24th December 2010, 12:56

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu,
would you congratulate someone for drinking alcohol, or killing someone, committing illegal sexual intercourse and things of this nature? The answer to this is, of course, no!
Then how come some Muslims feel obliged or are careless to respond to Christians who wish them 'Merry Christmas', and answer them by saying 'Thank you, and you too', thus acknowledging their religious holiday! Don't they realize that what they are actually congratulating them with is shirk - polytheism -, which is the only sin which Allah will not forgive if a person dies without repenting from it?
Drinking alcohol, or killing someone, committing illegal sexual intercourse are all major sins, but if Allah wills, He can forgive a person for them - yet no one would think of congratulating someone with this.
However, Christmas is the celebration by the Christians of the birth of Jesus Christ (peace and blessings be upon him), their 'savior' who 'died for their sins on the cross' - how can we congratulate anyone for this ?! Is it a time for happiness and 'jingle bell all the way'? All the way ...to the Fire?!
If someone greets us with 'Merry Christmas', we don't have to feel shy or be afraid of being rude and offending him/her if we don't respond to them with the same ; there is nothing wrong with politely but firmly answering, "I am Muslim, I don't celebrate Christmas."
As Muslim we should be proud of our religion and apply its rulings, and we should not give them up out of shyness or to impress anyone, for Allah is more deserving of us feeling shy before Him.
It may be difficult for those of us who have Christian families, however, this is a time when it will become clear where our loyalties truly lie: with the party of Allah, or with the party of the Shaytan.
Allah says in Surah at-Tawbah 9:62:
"(...) It is more fitting that they should please Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him) if they are believers."
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
"If anyone seeks Allah's satisfaction at the expense of people's anger, Allah will be pleased with him and will cause people to be pleased with him. However, if anyone seeks people's satisfaction at the expense of Allah's anger, Allah will be angry with him and will cause people to be angry with him." (Ibn Hibban)
Abu Sa'id (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "A sign of lacking certainty of faith is that you seek to satisfy people at the expense of Allah's Wrath..."
Allah says:
"And those who do not witness falsehood, and if they pass by some evil play or evil talk, they pass by it with dignity." (Al-Furqan 25:72)
Shaykh -ul -Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) mentioned that the early Muslims use this verse as proof that the Muslims do not cooperate or witness or celebrate these festivals and holidays of the disbelievers [not only Chrismas, but also Thanksgiving, Easter etc.]. And for the ruling on the one who participates in these kuffar festivals, then he is a sinner and he has to make repentance from it.
Below more information of what the scholars have said regarding how we should deal with some of these issues, such as
• congratulating the disbelievers on the occasion of their festivals
• participating in their celebrations
• eating food prepared for their festivals
• accepting their gifts on the occasion of their festivals
The questions and answers have been taken from www.islam-qa.com - and Allah knows best.

May Allah guide us to what is pleasing to Him and make us from those who sincerely say:

رَضِيتُ بِاللهِ رَبَّاً وَبِمُحَمَّدٍ رِسُولاً وَبِالإِْسلاَمِ دِيناً
"radheetu billaahi Rabban, wa bi-Muhammadin Rasoolan wa bil'islaami deenan"
I am pleased with Allah as my Lord, with Muhammad as my Messenger and with Islam as my religion.

Rashida
Responding to Merry Christmas by Shaykh Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him)

Question: What is the ruling on congratulating the disbelievers on their Christmas celebration? And how do we respond to them if they greet us with it. And is it permissible to go to the places where they are having celebrations for that purpose. And does the person (Muslim) take a sin if he does the aforementioned without any intent? Rather he only does it being courteous, or due to shyness or due to being put in an awkward situation, or due to some other reasons. And is it permissible to resemble them in this?

Answer: Congratulating the disbelievers on their Christmas celebration or other than that from their religious holidays is not permissible according to the consensus. As was related by Ibn Al Qayim, may Allah have mercy upon him, in his book “The ruling on the people beneath the Muslim protection”, when he said:
'As for congratulating the disbelievers for their religious ceremonies that have kufr (disbelief) attached to it, then it is not permissible according to the consensus. For example congratulating them for their holidays or their fasts, so the person says, “May you have a bless holiday”, or he wishes them well for their holiday or something like that. So this, if the one who says it escapes from falling into kufr (disbelief), is (still) from the impermissible things. And it is on the same level as congratulating them for prostrating to the cross. Rather it is a greater sin with Allah. And it is a more severe abomination than to congratulate them for drinking alcohol and killing someone, committing illegal sexual intercourse and things of this nature. And many of the people who don’t have any deen (or respect for the deen) fall into this. And he doesn’t know the ugliness (evil) of what he has done. So whoever congratulates a person for committing sins, or innovations, or disbelief, then he has exposed himself to the hate, wrath (anger) of Allah.' –End of the Sheik’s (Ibn Al Qayim) speech (may Allah have mercy upon him)-

(Sheik Uthaymeen continues)

So congratulating the disbelievers on the religious holidays is not permissible, as shown by the proof brought by Ibn Al Qayim. Because in it, (congratulating the kuffar on their religious holidays) is an approval for what they are upon from their kufr ceremonies, and showing them that you are pleased with it. Even if the person is not pleased with the actual kufr itself, it is also not permissible for the Muslim to be pleased with kufr ceremonies, or to congratulate them for it. Because Allah the Exalted is not pleased with that, as Allah the Exalted says,
“If you disbelieve, then verily, Allah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you.” (chapter 39 verse 7)
And the Exalted says,
“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” (Chapter 5 verse 3)
So congratulating them with this is haram, whether this person is your co worker or not.
So if they greet us with their holiday greeting we don’t respond to them with it, because it’s not our holiday, and they are holidays that Allah is not pleased with, and because it is something that is either innovated in their religion, or it was legislated but has since been abrogated by the deen of Islam that which Muhammad [peace and blessing be upon him], was sent with to all of the creation. And He (Allah) says about it (Islam)
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers” (Chapter 3 verse 85)
And for the Muslim to accept their invitations to these occasions (holiday celebrations) is haram (impermissible), because this is worst than congratulating them with it, because this would entail participating with them in this. Also it is haram for the Muslim to imitate the disbelievers by establishing celebrations for these occasions, or to exchanges gifts, or to distribute sweets, or trays of food, or to stop work or anything like this. Due to the statement of the Prophet, [peace and blessing be upon him], “Whoever imitates a people is from them”. Sheik of Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said in his book, 'Follow the straight path and oppose the path to the fire', “Imitating them in some of their celebration causes happiness in their hearts for what they are upon from false hood. And it is possible that this might encourage them to take advantage of this opportunity to humiliate the weak minded”. –End of his (Sheik Ibn Taymiyyah's) speech. May Allah have mercy upon him.

And whoever does anything from this is a sinner. And it is the same whether he did it being courteous, or seeking friendship, or due to shyness, or any other reason, because this is from being deceitful in the deen of Allah. And this is from the reasons that reinforce the psyche of the disbelievers and to make them proud of their deen.
A summary translation by: Rasheed Barbee
http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?threadid=316084

Muslims making the food of the Christians and selling them things to help them celebrate their festivals
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about a Muslim who makes the food of the Christians on Nawrooz (Persian New Year) and on all their occasions such as Epiphany and other feast days, and who sells them things to help them celebrate their festivals. Is it permissible for the Muslims to do any of these things or not?
He replied: Praise be to Allah. It is not permissible for the Muslims to imitate them in any way that is unique to their festivals, whether it be food, clothes, bathing, lighting fires or refraining from usual work or worship, and so on. And it is not permissible to give a feast or to exchange gifts or to sell things that help them to celebrate their festivals, or to let children and others play the games that are played on their festivals, or to adorn oneself or put up decorations. In general, (Muslims) are not allowed to single out the festivals of the kuffaar for any of these rituals or customs. Rather the day of their festivals is just an ordinary day for the Muslims, and they should not single it out for any activity that is part of what the kuffaar do on these days.
End quote from al-Fataawa al-Kubra, 2/487; Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa, 25/329

Eating food prepared for a Christian festival

Q. What is the ruling on eating food prepared for a Christian festival? What is the ruling on accepting their invitation to their celebrations of the birth of the Messiah (peace be upon him) [i.e., Christmas celebrations]?
A.Praise be to Allaah.
It is not permissible to celebrate innovated festivals such as the Christmas of the Christians, or Nowrooz (Persian New Year) or Mahrajaan (Persian festival), or festivals that have been innovated by Muslims such as the Prophet’s birthday in Rabee’ al-Awwal or the Israa’ in Rajab and so on. It is not permissible to eat from that food which the Christians or Mushrikeen prepare on the occasion of their festivals. [*see below for more details] It is also not permissible to accept their invitations to join them in their celebrations of those festivals, because this encourages them and is tantamount to approving of their bid’ah, which gives the wrong idea to ignorant people and makes them think that there is nothing wrong with that. And Allaah knows best.
*Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: As for accepting a gift from them on the day of their festival, (...) ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib was brought a gift on the occasion of Nayrooz and he accepted it.
Ibn Abi Shaybah narrated that a woman asked ‘Aa’ishah: We have some wet nurses from among the Magians, and they have a festival on which they bring us gifts. She said: As for what is slaughtered for that day, do not eat it, but eat from their vegetables.
It was narrated from Abu Barzah that he had some Magian neighbours who used to bring him gifts on the occasion of Nayrooz and Mahrjaan, and he used to say to his family: Whatever is of fruits, eat it, and whatever is otherwise, reject it.
Then he pointed out that meat slaughtered by a kitaabi (Jew or Christian) is halaal except that which is slaughtered for their festivals, which it is not permissible to eat. He said (may Allaah have mercy on him): It is only permissible to eat of the food of the people of the Book, during their festivals, that which has not been slaughtered for the festival, whether it is bought or received as a gift. (As for meat slaughtered by the Magians, the ruling on that is well known, and it is haraam according to all.) As for that which is slaughtered by the people of the Book for their festivals and that which they slaughter as an act of worship to draw close to anything other than Allaah, as the Muslims offer sacrifices as an act of worship to draw closer to Allaah, namely as that which they sacrifice to the Messiah, two views have been narrated from Ahmad concerning that, the most well known of which in his texts is that it is not permissible to eat it even if the name of something other than Allaah has not been mentioned over it. The prohibition on that was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar … End quote from Iqtida’ al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem (1/251).
Conclusion: It is permissible for you to accept the gift from your Christian neighbour on the day of their festival, subject to the following conditions:
1 – This gift should not be meat that has been slaughtered for the festival.
2 – It should not be something that may be used to help in imitating them on the day of their festival, such as candles, eggs, palm leaves etc.
3 – You should explain to your children the belief in al-wala’ wa’l-bara’ (loyalty and friendship vs. disavowal and enmity), lest a love of this festival or a fondness for the giver be instilled in their hearts.
4 – The gift should be accepted with the aim of softening her heart and calling her to Islam, not with friendship and love.
If the gift is something that it is not permissible to accept, then the refusal to accept it should be accompanied by an explanation of why it is being refused, such as saying, “We only refused your gift because it is meat that was slaughtered for the festival, and it is not permissible for us to eat it, or these things are only accepted by those who are taking part in the celebrations, and we do not celebrate this festival, because it is not part of our religion, and it involves beliefs that we do not believe in” and so on, which is a starting point for calling them to Islam and explaining the danger of the kufr that they follow.
The Muslim should be proud of his religion and apply its rulings, and he should not give them up out of shyness or to impress anyone, for Allaah is more deserving of us feeling shy before Him.

tauseefm

24th December 2010, 13:15

wow...I am ashamed this guy is Indian.. lol, I have always wished my friends Eid Mubarak, Merry Christmas...Muslims complain why western countries treat them differently..ban their dresscode.. its people like him that seperate muslims from other people...

True, Zakir is a crazy old man. "Molvies" like him can not survive and earn their living if they stop spreading such hearted between religions.

nabeel_1990

25th December 2010, 00:21

it is haram

MalikMohsin

25th December 2010, 01:30

Muslims shouldn't celebrate, but should wish them Merry Christmas to maintain the peace, the friendship, and the relationship.

That may sound harsh to several here, but Zakir Naik is right, and why? Christmas is not celebrated because of Prophet Isa (P.B.U.H). It's pagan belief which Bible contradicts it in the first place, and i fail to understand why Merry Christmas is being celebrated even though they know Santa doesn't exist and it's all myth. Even for Christian and Catholics, they shouldn't be celebrating Merry Christmas either, it's Pagan which is evil practice, has been confirmed by Bible, Quran. Nowhere in the Bible mentioned that pagan belief must be encouraged. It's not in my place to tell them what to do, but i urge everyone who are christian/catholic, must read Bible once again to gain better understanding.

Newton_fan

25th December 2010, 01:33

Please All Muslims use Name Isa for Jesus..

Doesn't sound good when your Preaching Islam and using the name Jesus..

MalikMohsin

25th December 2010, 01:34

SALAAM TO ALL.

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Jesus said no one has gone to heaven except Himself
The Bible doesn't say Jesus died on a Friday or rose at sunrise Sunday
morning
"Christmas" is not mentioned in the Bible
No wise men at all visited baby Jesus in a Bethlehem manger
The practice of decking a tree with silver and gold is actually condemned
by God
"Easter" has vanished from modern Bible translations
"God the Father" is never mentioned in the Old Testament
There were not just two of each animal aboard Noah's Ark
God sought to kill Moses
The Bible talks about sex with angels. And sex with animals
There's a character in the Bible called a "dumb ass"
The Bible calls the devil "god"
The worst case of hemorrhoids in history is recorded
Moses did not write the Ten Commandments
Jesus did not come to make everyone understand His message
The Bible tells you not to eat your dog or cat for dinner
A "live forever" diet is mentioned
The Bible does not say Eve bit into an apple
Noah, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not Jews
God never said "Let Me make man in My image"
Jesus had a group of "other" apostles in addition to the famous 12
Animals had meaningful discussions with people
Jesus made personal appearances on Earth in the OLD Testament
Women's breasts are celebrated in the Bible
Underwear didn't disintegrate despite 40 years of heavy use
God ordered the slayings of thousands of men, women and children
God twice sought to kill His entire nation of chosen people
Nagging wives are mentioned in Scripture
God ordered many of His own people to get divorced
There's a person who didn't eat or drink anything for 80 days
God ran lotteries
A giant, outdoor nightlight blazed every night for 40 years
Jesus wasn't the only guy to walk on water
Someone tried to buy the Holy Spirit
There are magic tricks in Scripture
Elijah the prophet did not cheat death by riding a chariot to heaven
The apostle Peter was married

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Kriketer

25th December 2010, 07:04

Today on the radio I heard the host saying that he didn't feel like Christmas until he got the gifts.
I guess among Christian it has turned into more about getting together with family and exchanging gifts then having and refreshing their religious beliefs.

Passion4Pakistan

25th December 2010, 07:14

Dr. Zakir Naik is the biggest hypocrite out there... so I'm guessing he doesn't wish hindus Happy Diwali even though he lives amongst them, openly broadcast his preaching and msgs to muslims by living amongst Hindus.... is this the kind of guy you want to have as your role model? Preaching how to isolate yourself more and more living amongst others?

Do you have enough knowledge about Islam as much as he Has???

Do you have enough Knowledge Of Hinduism as much as he has???

Do You have enough knowledge about Christianity as much as he has???

Do you have enough knowledge about Buddhism as much as he has???

I am sure you don't. Be quiet as your knowledge is quite Low and Your love for Hinduism shows through your Avatar.. Keep up your Mindless good work..

Passion4Pakistan

25th December 2010, 07:16

Would you like to elaborate on that?

Only Diamond Cuts Diamond. So that, One Hypocrite Could Identify the Other one so easily.. This guy is mentally ill "Qazzarfan".

James

25th December 2010, 07:39

wasim-fan

25th December 2010, 08:02

Do you have enough knowledge about Islam as much as he Has???

Be quiet as your knowledge is quite Low and Your love for Hinduism shows through your Avatar.. Keep up your Mindless good work..

Do you know about Zakir Naik's love for hinduism ? Do you know that for past few years he has been doing lectures on common threads of hinduism and Islam.

hasanb

25th December 2010, 08:48

guy is mentally ill "Qazzarfan".

Do you think everyone who doesn't conform to your views falls into the mentally ill category mate?

Passion4Pakistan

25th December 2010, 09:02

Definitely an interesting one, not just when it comes to Muslims, but to people in general. I know numerous people that don't celebrate Christmas. I've got myself out of the habit of wishing customers a happy christmas at work (unless they do it to me first), just in case I say it to the wrong person.

Wishing People And Celebrating an occasion is not the same.. You can wish Merry Christmas to someone without having faith and believe in that, But To celebrate an Occasion like Christmas you have to have faith in this occasion or at least your are showing your faith in this indirectly.

Now, Islam Does not Allow us to Support others Religious Believe, But we must respect others believe and should not say anything bad on their Faces.

Passion4Pakistan

25th December 2010, 09:06

Do you think everyone who doesn't conform to your views falls into the mentally ill category mate?

Not Really, But Saying a Person Hypocrite who has much more knowledge than me does not make any sense. I can't insult a guy who has more knowledge than me, If he is wrong still not.. Because, None in the World is Perfect Human being.

Passion4Pakistan

25th December 2010, 09:08

Do you know about Zakir Naik's love for hinduism ? Do you know that for past few years he has been doing lectures on common threads of hinduism and Islam.

Am I insulting Mr. Naik???

I know, he is trying to show so many similarities between Islam and Hinduism.. Now Do you know why he is doing this????

hasanb

25th December 2010, 10:04

Not Really, But Saying a Person Hypocrite who has much more knowledge than me does not make any sense. I can't insult a guy who has more knowledge than me, If he is wrong still not.. Because, None in the World is Perfect Human being.

Okay fair enough.

Personally I really dislike the guy and what he says. However I understand your view is different to mine, fair enough.

wasim-fan

25th December 2010, 10:38

Am I insulting Mr. Naik???

I know, he is trying to show so many similarities between Islam and Hinduism.. Now Do you know why he is doing this????

Ofcourse you are not insulting him. But the mere fact he has studied and researched religions in his personal capacity does not make him beyond anyone's disapproval and rejection. I think he is a very well read man, but I have every right to feel disappointed in his answer just as you have a right to approve of it whether I am an atheist or you sincerely religious or whether both of us have read all the holy books extensively or not.

As for your second statement, one is to establish universality of religions and belief systems which is usually a mode of division among religious people. Two, to bring people together. He has time and again praised Upanishads and Atharveda. It is not a question loving Hinduism or Christianity but understanding and embracing the better aspects of any religious text.

bobwoolmersarmy

25th December 2010, 10:58

NO

i dont as its a pagan festivel

but i do say merry xmas or happy holidays

now off to have my xmas dinner of karele and roti .

Passion4Pakistan

25th December 2010, 10:59

^ - Don't wanna go for any Arguments with you people about a person who isn't my Blood related one Or I don't even love him unconditionally.. But I respect that person's Knowledge about Every Respective Religious Scriptures are available around. He may not be right on some aspects or Some of us may not like his words. But I don't think, he uses his own created words to put evidence. He Quotes Religious Views to give the right Answers. If you don't like it, That your preferences.

My Point Is If I don't Like someone or his views on some aspects of life, that does not mean I should start criticizing his point of views.

Or if I start criticizing his points, then I should provide even stronger evidences to prove him wrong.

So, if you can prove him wrong Go on. If can't then be quiet is the safe option..

hasanb

25th December 2010, 11:06

now off to have my xmas dinner of karele and roti .

lol :))

DHONI183

25th December 2010, 11:16

Passion4Pakistan

25th December 2010, 11:18

Muslims should not celebrate Christmas, as Muslims only have two festival, Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha. Remember that Muslims don´t celebrate the birthday of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as a festival either. However, wishing a Christian or sending him cards etc. on this day is not at all against any teachings of Islam.

As a side note, Merry Christmas to all my Christian brothers and sisters:)!

:19:

Thats what I was saying in my early posts.. :)

hasanb

25th December 2010, 11:23

Muslims should not celebrate Christmas, as Muslims only have two festival, Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha. Remember that Muslims don´t celebrate the birthday of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as a festival either. However, wishing a Christian or sending him cards etc. on this day is not at all against any teachings of Islam.

As a side note, Merry Christmas to all my Christian brothers and sisters:)!

Now this is a very nice way of putting across ones point of view, whether one agrees with it or not is another matter, but Dhoni183 has expressed his view in a very nice, balanced and civilised way :)

ZAK

25th December 2010, 13:28

Impala_KaifTamasha

25th December 2010, 13:35

Generally say "Merry Christmas" but dont celebrate it home though

Although all of my family cousins ect. are going round my Dadorjii's for dinner tonight ....

James

25th December 2010, 13:46

I actually once wished merry Christmas to a few Jehovah witness ladies who came around to preach turns out they don't celebrate Christmas :P. At least they realised it was an honest mistake on my part.

I know plenty of Britons that would happily go out of their way to offend Jehovah's witnesses, so this was probably quite easy to take for them :))

nabeel_1990

25th December 2010, 16:11

i don't celebrate christmas or any other festival (apart from the two eids), neither do i wish merry christmas etc the most i would do is say 'happy holidays' to anyone wishing me a merry christmas.

Newton_fan

25th December 2010, 19:42

Shouldn't Participate at all, But can wish like Happy Festival....

DHONI183

25th December 2010, 20:09

Thanks to those who apprecaited my views and explanation:).

zoi321

28th December 2010, 02:03

for khana halal turkey yes but actually i dont mean to spoil the happines we are not pagans and christmas is a pagan event search it up its nothing to do with prophet ISA :moyo

sawal

16th December 2011, 06:58

Salam everyone

I have one question guys, if anyone of you can help.

Are we allowed ( being muslims) to celebrate christmas or even wish our non-muslim colleagues.

Is there any authentic hadith or Quranic verse about it??

Any kind of help will be much appreciated.

kasim7864

16th December 2011, 14:52

No we are not allowed to celebrate Christmas. Why?

Was Jesus (PBUH) born on 25th December?
No

Who invented this date?
The Romans, centuries after the 'death' of Jesus (PBUH). Research the date of Christmas yourself to see the pagan roots of 25th December

Are there any verses in the Bible which say celebrate Christmas?
No

Did Jesus/Disciples celebrate Christmas?
No

Did Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) celebrate Christmas?
No

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Geordie Ahmed

16th December 2011, 15:02

Have to say as a kid I loved the Christmas season because there was no school and the TV was class

ali85

16th December 2011, 15:05

Muslims are not allowed to celebrate non muslim religious occasions. As for wishing your co-workers, use common sense, wishing them is a diplomatic action and your niyat is to wish them a happy time.

As for quran reference or hadith, just ask your local imam after jumaah$

KingKhanWC

16th December 2011, 15:18

No Muslims should not celebrate Christmas but neither should Christians since it's a Pagan festival. Christmas was actually banned in Britain many years ago.

However if Christians or anyone else feels this time of year is close and important for them then I have no issue wishing them best wishes and a happy celebration.

Justcrazy

16th December 2011, 15:53

No.

Its not allowed. Jesus ( pbuh) was not even born on 25th . So what's the point?????

NJamal

16th December 2011, 16:03

NO. Muslims should not celebrate it and as many said Hazrat Isa (PBUH) was not born on this day. If even he was born on this day then also No because celebrating birthdays and anniversaries was not the way of our holy Prophet (PBUH).

So brother no need to celebrate it or wish it as a Muslim.

Abdullah22

16th December 2011, 16:05

No IMO Muslim shouldn't even celebrate the birth day of Prophet Muhammad or their own birth day.

Desire

16th December 2011, 16:15

for those of us who think celebrating prophet mohammad(pbuh)'s birthday is a good thing, wishing christians christmas is no big deal. Unless there is a hadees saying its haram, its a good thing to do.

PakPrince

16th December 2011, 16:15

not celebrate it but also not try to give an impression to christian brothers that we look down on it or sth like that

if you see a christian and know him, wish him a merry christmas

Abdullah22

16th December 2011, 16:17

not celebrate it but also not try to give an impression to christian brothers that we look down on it or sth like that

if you see a christian and know him, wish him a merry christmas

How can Christians be our brother?

PakPrince

16th December 2011, 16:25

How can Christians be our brother?

Pakistani brothers

i have 2 Pakistani Christian friends.

they are prolly more patriotic than most pakistanis and one of em is a very good friend. he is my brother whether he is muslim or not

GOAT

16th December 2011, 16:26

How can Christians be our brother?

Brothers in humanity.

Abdullah22

16th December 2011, 16:33

Brothers in humanity.

nah never shall I regard them as brothers, never. But that's only me.

1137moiz

16th December 2011, 18:06

Abdullah--akhir woh bhi to Adam kay aulad hain

OP: I give it a wide berth because of its roots. But don't force non-Christmas on those who celebrate it